Lies we believe about God: A conversation with WM. Paul Young

[@jjpelaez62]

Paul. I am convinced that you are fresh air in the middle of a dangerous world´s attempt to hide Jesus from awareness and understanding ... of true love. God bless you.

[@minnyh]

idiot

[@AWT8900]

All these contributing comments...make me want to leave my day job and hang out with these inclusive, loving truth tellers.....so much agape.

[@TamaraChaos]

I just love your podcast. I listen to it while I'm at work. Sometimes I hear 3 back to back. It's so nice to be able to hear a church service when I'm not at church.

[@ginaleblanc2826]

Thank you for this message. Jesus is healing me too. And your message William Paul Young is helping me in my journey of healing with My Jesus, My Holy Spirit, And God The Father who I do not know yet. But His Live is drawing me to trust Him. Thank you again for your truth William Paul Young ❤️‍🩹

[@brendaneal-vey4971]

During a quiet time today after singing made up songs praising God & Jesus declaring my love & praise, I closed my eyes briefly as I whispered earnestly, "God I want to FEEL your love..." I kept saying that over & over. I know He loves me; I just needed to FEEL it in some warm way. Well, after watching today's Lenten service, my eyes caught this. I was drawn to it. My soul is still comprehending this most beautiful of messages! God answers prayers indeed! 🙏

[@TamaraChaos]

I can't wait to do that sometime. I have done that before and it's just awesome to spend a long time with only me and God.

[@peacefulheart433]

Beautiful! 💟💟💟

[@thesweetsorrows1402]

24min, love that unpacking of that passage! Yes, this good news never.gets.old. Amen and thanks

[@EmpoweredToBeMe]

WPY His authenticity and humility is absolutely felt and experienced….this is something extraordinary and very touching

[@michelebombich7174]

This was absolutely wonderful! Six years later I'm watching this I wish we learned this in our local churches

[@woodfloorsjohnny]

To Have Heard This Kinda Speaking When I was a Child..at 50 I feel like so much time in my life Has Been wasted in False Belief..ABBA..PLEASE COME TO ME TONITE..SHOW ME WHO I REALLY AM..SHOW ME IM WORTH IT..FILL ME TO OVERFLOW WITH YOUR LOVE..IN JESUS NAME

[@drinkthekoolaidkids]

Sooo hows that work out for you 11months later

[@Lovingkindness.]

SOF, Hi, have you every cried out to our Creator? I have and it is like taking the “red pill”. You can see the truth. Bless you, friend!

[@drinkthekoolaidkids]

@@Lovingkindness. all the time

[@minnyh]

irrational

[@PabloLarranaga]

Gran video!!! uno de los mejores que he visto!!! Great video! one of the best I ever watched!!!! THANK YOU from ARGENTINA!

[@lizclarke6674]

Wonderful Paul, God is certainly opening the eyes of so many people to understand truth, and the truth certainly DOES make us free. My spirit and heart rejoice!!!

[@alba8524]

💞Grazie 💞, queste parole arrivano come una benevola freccia che si pianta dritta nel Cuore per scuoterci, svegliarci, per vedere la verita' , per aprire un varco nel nostro Cuore indurito come un Melograno maturo e lasciar fluire Tutto l'Immenso Amore di nostro Padre e del Figlio Gesu' e dello Spirito Santo, per Sempre GRAZIE💗 🌺Alba🌺

[@DrummerGrrrl]

Therapy is awesome. It hurts like...HELL! But, in order to heal, I must become vulnerable.

[@ahs7322]

Thank God for your message Paul. I am so sick of the angry God most Christian churches portrays!

[@minnyh]

fool

[@TonyGraham-x2l]

The Shack is inspired by Satan. Don't be fooled. Making God into something more acceptable to your liking, and different from the God of the bible, will guarantee you a spot in Hell.

[@JTomas96]

​​​​​@@minnyh"whoever calls someone a fool he shall be reliable to THE FIRE OF HELL"MT5 CONGRATULATIONS BROTHER, YOU ARE GOING TO HELL. DON'T WORRY THO, YOUR "ETERNAL" IS A MISTRANSLATION, SO THERE'S HOPE FOR YOU, JUST KEEP READING: "...TRULY I TELL YOU YOU WILL NOT GET OUT OF THERE //UNTIL// YOU PAY YOUR LAST"😂😂😂😂

[@JTomas96]

​@@minnyhSince Jesus is "the Saviour of all, especially those who believe"1Tim4 the tares like you are also given the holy spirit: "...ye will be baptised with FIRE AND HOLY GHOST"Mt3 SO don't worry bro you just will go to eonian chastisement mistranslated as eternal condemnation. Because with the same met you use it will be used with you, you think people deserve hell forever even tho "the justification of life came to all just like condemnation came to all"Rom5:18. So it will be meted back to you and your false evangel of fourth century rome which was forced by empreror justinian a monster that got 30.000 killed in the massacre of Nika. That's the type of person's morals you defend. Bit don't worry, then came justinian plague the first world plague, that's God's opinion for people like you that think the blood of Christ is worth trample to: "and by His blood to reconcile ALL THINGS wether they be on earth or heaven"Col1:20 You don't even know the purpose of His Will: "having made known to us the purpose of His will, that in the dispensation of the fulness of the times(which you deny) He will gather together all things in Christ(which you deny) wether they be on earth or heaven"Eph1:9-10

[@themagicalducklings]

2Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

[@henrieecen2938]

Nothing changes! In Jesus's time there were those who did not hear His LIVING WORD because of their worship of the written word. Today it is no different. Morality rather than the light which transforms. No wonder Christianity is still a religion rather than a Christ centred WAY of living for self and to one's neighbour.❤️ Thank God for men such as these who are bringing in no new age heresy but Orthodoxy e.g Apokatastasis and Theosis largely lost by western Christianity after the first mellinium.

[@themagicalducklings]

The real Jesus, the living word said, "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell." @@henrieecen2938

[@duralade8405]

Anyone watch Paul Youngs restoring the shack series? Incredible!!!

[@dustincampbell4835]

Really? What was your favorite biblical heresy he presented?

[@henryharris100]

Wonderful discussion 👏

[@charisvarnadore9862]

What is the Song referred to at the beginning?

[@carolinee4709]

Thank you for posting this , so healing 💞💞💞🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏💞💞💞💞💞

[@phylliselizahb1041]

Took me a long time but I finally realized that my parents were too poor to like or love me. & my parents were like most people who see other people as tools. I was told repeatedly that I'd better earn my keep. "All you do is cost us $" is a rant I heard during beltings.

[@drdelaur]

Unforgiveness can separate you from the love of God, because as Jesus says in the our Father, immediately after the prayer, “because if you forgive others, your Father will forgive you, but if you do not, forgive those who trespass against you, neither will your father forgive you” words of Jesus pay attention

[@waynesumner1829]

Words of Jesus, speaking to a mixed multitude,. revealing the Universal Fatherhood of GOD and the Sonship of Christ: and all ye are Brethren.

[@anthonywells5981]

What about Jeremiah 17:9-10 ? How does this fit with your statement that we are good and kind etc.

[@jaredshowers1]

Referring to our original design. The truth of who we are.

[@roymorano5171]

So refreshing to hear the truth. Thanks, guys.

[@sergkapitan2578]

Exactly :)

[@jamesmassingale8512]

so you think this is the truth?

[@sergkapitan2578]

@@jamesmassingale8512 why not:))) At least if you think of most important things and not of details!

[@phylliselizahb1041]

There's always a thread to God to lift you from everywhere you've dug yerself. Always a firefly in the darkest room.

[@BhagirathiNag]

Thank God I found out your teachings pastor it was blessed time with you In India Hyderabad I'm Guitarist named #Bhagirathi_Nag Thank you Pastor for blessed reflection on the Gospel of John ....

[@ginaleblanc2826]

Thank you ❤️‍🩹

[@rainerkroeger4710]

The Holy Spirit shows us how great we are? Now where in the Bible do we find that? Did Paul talk this way about himself? Does John 16:8-11 teach this about the work of the Holy Spirit? Does Paul pray that our eyes may be opened to see the greatness of us? Eph.1:17-18: I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in his holy people, and his incomparably great power for us who believe.

[@jasonspencer8558]

The Spirit awakens and feeds the image of God in us. That is Scriptural, pure and simple.

[@natalyamiller2470]

we were created in His image...that says it all in Genesis

[@rainerkroeger4710]

How great we are! A wonderful new hym it would be!

[@jasonspencer8558]

That's pretty naive.

[@rainerkroeger4710]

@@natalyamiller2470 The fall (Gen.3) needs to be taken seriously !

[@naomiabrams578]

Thank you, Paul.

[@tammyegerton8616]

Very good

[@pepperann123456]

This conversation never gets old. Thanks for sharing

[@minnyh]

religion never fails to be boring

[@FishNGames]

What was “the song” they were talking about at 13:30?

[@ThomasBeckingham]

I would love to know! =D

[@beverleyperreault4991]

Me too! What was the song? Thanks!

[@charleslewis8757]

Me three!!!

[@tonynarvaez]

Same

[@melaniepoirier2319]

Yes, what is the song???

[@barbara3261]

Jesus died for the sins of the world. Who's sin? Man sin. I love God our Father/Old Testament/New Testament.

[@scottellis7024]

20:40 anyone know where this quote from George MacDonald come from? I’m having trouble finding it.

[@md93721]

Beautiful!

[@debrabattistella619]

God with skin on…❤❤❤

[@100waarheidinjesus8]

John 15:6 (KJV 1900) 6If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. Pauls definition when he speaks about john15v2 verse 6 explains it so he is totally of track!!!

[@trevwill21]

Bordering on being labelled "once saved always saved" I am certain it's almost impossible to get out of God's family once adopted by Him. That said, It's the awesomeness of God that is free will.

[@DrummerGrrrl]

This is so amazing. Thank you, sirs, brothers, for this video! I will pray for you both. You guys rock.

[@angejensen9044]

❤

[@waynesumner1829]

Lest we become exalted beyond measure, let Us keep in our Christ Minds that earthly "shacks"aren't worthy to be compared to Heavenly Mansions that He has prepared for Us All. Let Us return to Our pre-shack Humility and Meekness. How hardly shall the rich man enter the Kingdom of God! When that camel presses through the Eye of the Needle he will be stripped of everything he thought he was but His Spirit, Christ in Him, the Hope of Glory!

[@waynesumner1829]

Dear Brian Zahnd , have you considered your ultimate Scriptural Journey and Grand Christ Mind Extension privelege, taking A Course In Miracles?!

[@waynesumner1829]

Did Y'all know that We are All, down deep in Our GOD-circumcised Hearts, Pan-redemptionists! See Psalm 64:9 and praise Them with Whom We have to do!

[@waynesumner1829]

Dear Brother Young, Your ministry is so truly Universalist We equally enlightened Mates on The Sonship can call Ewe "Mary"or "Theophilus"! However We have this admonition given inLove through the Holy Spirit: due to the unbridled, worldly "success" of "The Shack", you are riding on a wave of "holier-than-thou" pedantic arrogance and lack of Godly humility. That Lying Old Red Devil, a.k.a. the human ego never gives up does he? If the 👟 fits wear it, or if this is out of the Divine Order, please take it with a grain of Salt. We Love 💕 Thee Wm. Paul Young!

[@darm1959]

I like your description of the camel passing through the eye of the needle. Very insightful thanks

[@drdelaur]

Catholics do not cover it up. Catholics know that our sin is thrown into the lake of fire where it actually is burned up by the love of God.

[@sergkapitan2578]

"To push for performance..." that is our Hell as well...

[@lorim2000]

I love this conversation so much, thank you for posting it, I have it saved and rewatch :)

[@duralade8405]

It is an amazing conversation!! Have you watched Paul Young's Restoring the Shack series? Life changing!!!

[@philipbennetvisenthirosada9288]

Beautiful thanks Father WM Paul young

[@allenbrininstool7558]

Hell? What about the lake of fire in Revelation? I still don’t have an answer from those that deny it. If Hell is a solution for our sin, there is no need for the sacrifice of the precious Lamb of God

[@Amosathar]

I've heard a few reviews about this book/movie and start with the fact that this is fiction, not fact. It wasn't written for everyone but the purpose was originally for his family. Is it flawed? sure because it was written by a man not God. Look at any Christian novel or movie and tell me there isn't a flaw or something wrong with it. No commentary on the Bible is without fault because in the end they are interpretations of God's word by man. The Bible is always the standard and no matter who is talking about their theology, if it doesn't match up with the Bible, then discard it as false. Can God use this book/movie, I'm sure he can to start a conversation, to get people's attention. But just because it has wrong information in it, is God not big enough to correct anything false in people's belief's as they come into relationship with Him? Is God so powerless that He needs us to defend him? Speak Life, Speak Truth, the Gospel is simple, but we make it complicated. On the point of Hell and whether it's a real place, I believe it is, but everyone's version of hell is different. There is a verse in Hebrews 9;27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. While we are still sinners we will face the judgement of God because of our sins we are still enemies of God, Yes He loves us, but our sin still separates us from God it is that sin that we hold that is being judged because God offered a way out but the person did not take that option and instead of choosing God's path ahead and allowing Jesus to be the bearer of their sin, they retain the ownership. However for believers who have accepted Jesus as Saviour they are now blameless in God's sight and made righteous through the Jesus death on the cross. Now because they have been born again/adopted into the family of God 1 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. The word for creation in that verse means a whole new species, the person is a new creation/being more than just human. So therefore the Hebrews 9:27 no longer applies to them . Why you ask because the word for death/die in Hebrews 9:27 is not necros which means physical death, it is thanatos which means spiritual death or the complete and utter separation from God. We see the importance of this word in 1 Corinthians 11:26 that verse used during communion so much "For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes." The word used in this verse is also thanatos, quite simply the act of taking communion is remembering Jesus's separation from God that occurred when the sin of world was placed on him Matthew 27:46 " About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”). Now some will get caught up on whether or not God turned his face away or whether or not he was really separated from God the Father, but we can never know that so it is a trivial matter. But at least consider this point, that Christ took our place, sin had impact upon him, someone who was perfect and sinless because the embodiment of sin and maybe for the first time in forever Jesus felt a void, a separation from God the Father and the Holy Spirit which he had been in perfect union with since .. well forever. A thought that comes to mind because of this is that at this moment Christ identifies with anyone who has lost someone, he feels the sudden void and grief of losing contact with a loved one. But getting back to my point, there is an eternal lake of fire which is reserved for satan and his demons, as to whether hell exists in the same place only God knows. But I do know this, right now living on earth, God's presence is all around us even if we don't know him in personal relationship. The idea of a complete and utter separation from the presence of God - Thanatos would be hell in and of itself, to finally know the truth that an unconditional love existed and you rejected it and now stuck in eternity you are forever separated from that, could anything be worse than that? In conclusion, whether you agree with my theology/view of things or not, it is my belief, it is something I'm thought and considered for a long time not something I'm parroting from someone else, but I put it out there for consideration and something to think about earnestly. Maybe I'm right maybe I'm wrong, just as what Paul is saying, he is human and therefore capable of fallacy and being incorrect in what he preaches just as any pastor or minster does. In the end anything that is preached must be judged against the Word of God and if with the help of the Holy Spirit you read the Bible and can't see scriptural support for what is being said then disregard it and stick only with what does agree with scripture.

[@noelenedouglas5200]

Amosathar. Excellent.....well said my brother.

[@nevbillett7554]

If an unconditional love says your not allowed to reject me it has now become a conditional love? How do you get separated from an omnipresent God?

[@jaredshowers1]

God was in christ reconciling the world to himself. So there's no way God turned his back on Jesus. Shekinah glowry!

[@jaredshowers1]

​@@nevbillett7554amen. And if he's omnipresent. Then wouldn't he be in hell also?? 😂 Or is he like nope not going there today. Like David says. I go to the depths of sheol and there you are with me. No matter what. What if God is hell?

[@jaredshowers1]

Maybe God is hell? Torment and suffering of his fiery love.. He is the lake of. Fire. Our god is a consuming fire.

[@jeffreyjkkelly2520]

Thank you for this informative video. Your dad wasn't loving Jesus. When he was being violent and abusive he may have been trying to love Jesus, but definitely was not loving Jesus. I would like to hear the rest of the story. Because maybe he ended up truly loving Jesus but being violent and abusive you can't Jesus.

[@Titus2_13]

Picking up your cross means to deny yourself.

[@arsene737]

Your old, Adam self. And not just to deny, to let it die. So that not I, but Christ now lives in me (Gal. 2:20). Therefore, everything that is true about Jesus is true about you. Christ-You is perfect and without sin. It's in your Bible. But if you choose to believe that you are sin and born from Adam, that's OK too, it's your choice. some believe they are no more than intelligent monkeys. You believe you are sin. Not sure which is worse. Life can be better than that, though. The Bible says we are born from God. Bethlehem is our story. We can be gods-in-the-making. Nothing heretical about that.

[@courtneybrubaker9738]

Mind blowing -never able to be separated from love.😁

[@mecarlajean]

I wud Love to Hear the Song!!

[@richpedley3022]

Hi …I wonder where did evil come from? If nothing came into being without God then where did evil come from?

[@michaelcerafan1]

that is a very very good question…. if that’s something that’s really been tugging at your heart/mind i say prayerfully ask god that very question. there are a couple verses pertaining to his faithfulness to answer our prayers/requests. 1 John 5:14 reads- “this is the confidence we have in APPROACHING god: that if we ASK ANYTHING according to his will, he hears us.” Rich i encourage you to boldly and confidently take this question to the one in question.. and boldly expect an answer. a good father does not leave his children in the dark with these questions. only thing i’d say is if you want a black or white answer.. also expect to get one in technicolor that will shift your paradigm of thinking.

[@richpedley3022]

@@michaelcerafan1 thanks !!

[@dustincampbell4835]

@@richpedley3022 the people that look for answer here cannot answer those types of questions. They are the blind leading the blind. Evil does not have an ontological existence; it is a privation of what is good. I would highly recommend watching "What Is Evil & Where Did It Come From?" on KZbin. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqvVdGqBqrKdbNE

[@andrewraney7544]

Free will , even angels can choose to be loyal or rebel.

[@benbar7318]

This guy is a liar

[@mecarlajean]

That was the most beautiful prayer at the end I have ever experienced. Thank you, paul

[@cameronc1509]

“Jesus came to save me from God the Father” I’m not totally sure what to say about this . I can’t really believe that they’re saying what they’re saying

[@michaelcerafan1]

how do you mean?

[@margotmccollom5355]

So much truth here mixed with slithery Lies…

[@thestraightroad305]

That caught me too, then I realized he was talking about what he used to believe about Jesus versus the Father. But I am not comfortable with much else of what he is saying. Or else he’s not saying it very well.

[@oleksandrhafurov3246]

Yes there is some wrong spirit in the core of teaching...I have his book "lies we believe about God" just read the chapter where he claims that we don't need salvation that Jesus did it already for everybody.. in other words it feels we don't have to repent from sins.. as Jesus did it already and we can have with him already relationship... But wait.. to be able to have with Him relationship I have to come to God through the Holy Spirit which should be activated through the Holy Spirit inside of me.. otherwise I can't come there by myself.. So there are some weird things going on.. like it feels there is no hell for anybody cause Jesus died for all.. but that theory doesn't sound in my spirit like truth

[@annrobertson5791]

What song are they referring to at about 13:30?

[@Titus2_13]

You are by nature kind good and pure of heart? What Bible is this guy reading? If we were all these things we wouldn't need Jesus to save us from our sins

[@cap6074]

Matthew Heymach you are just a troll. Find something more important to do with your time.

[@Titus2_13]

@@cap6074 when people are hearing a false gospel that will send them to hell, they need to hear the truth. That's not trolling. That's caring for people being led astray.

[@mariemoore6406]

True...Jesus would not have had to fix what's broken in mankind if we were good plus in Genesis saw that the world was filled with violence and it repented Him He had ...doesn't sound like the world was good or pure of heart..No matter what mankind said about the World as far as our so called goodness...We may be able to do good but just as in the garden we know evil too...It came in when Adam sinned and death followed...Jesus is the Only One who could take away that curse and God sent Him to do it...He is the Only Way back to God for mankind.

[@ahs7322]

The new nature he is talking about. Are you one of those mean judgmental Christians?😛

[@arsene737]

@Patrick Faricy No, it doesn't. David, Jonah, Moses, Elijah and Jesus weren't Christians by any stretch of the word. As for your Sunday School teaching, perhaps studying the historical context of the Bible, its sayings and its translations would be of some value. Spending eternity in the lake of fire? Did you know the book of Revelation almost didn't make it into canon? And in the Eastern Orthodox church it is not used for liturgy? Because they knew it was not meant to be read as prophecy, let alone to be taken literally. But we took the Bible into our own hands, ignorant of how the texts came to be composed, and used it as a weapon to draw crowds on Sundays!

[@impish22]

I would listen to "The Shack Uncovered" by Michael Youssef, Leading the Way... just to get another version.. it's on KZbin... after that you can make the decision

[@racheladkins6060]

And the thing in 1 Peter about souls in Hell or Hades. 3:20 Mirror Study Bible.

[@phylliselizahb1041]

My problem is how confused & easily misled we are in general but "imaged in God"?

[@debifambro1039]

I saved this to watch later. I've seen it many times. Thank ypi for posting it.

[@minnyh]

fool

[@shannonbeazley2400]

WOW 💕💕💕💕💕🙏🙏🙏🙏Ty🙏💕🙏

[@albertodelgado721]

The tree of knowledge of good and evil(The law) told them that they were naked . The law talks to those who are under it . Anyways wow what a great teaching !

[@philmonk4159]

What was the song played?!! Mentioned at 13min.

[@jillyjivec8691]

I would like to know too.

[@100waarheidinjesus8]

Jesus was crucified before the foundation of the world.. therefore darkness did exist..

[@hectorcabeza7186]

Thank you THE LORD IS USING YOU

[@oleksandrhafurov3246]

His favorite word "USING" :d

[@minnyh]

You are lost

[@phylliselizahb1041]

Wow.

[@duralade8405]

Amazing conversation!!! Definitely not for the religious people who believe the Bible can never be tweaked. The Bible is inspired by God but the word of God is Jesus and that can never be changed. The Bible can and has been subtly changed, just look at all the different versions and religions out there.

[@dustincampbell4835]

20:11 ??? What BIble translation is this guy reading??? *"Vengeance is Mine, and recompense;* *Their foot shall slip in time;* *For the day of their calamity is at hand,* *And the things to come hasten upon them."’* _Deuteronomy 32:35_ *Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written,* *“Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”* _Romans 12:19_

[@pateunuchity884]

This sophistry of “healing” the crucifixion and overlaying our “trauma” onto a false parable of the cross isn’t reasonable. We must remember psychology is one of the philosophies of man with much Greek imports and ideas. “Unto us a Son is born, unto us a child is given”. We mustn’t loose sight of the fullness of the Trinity’s involvement in the crucifixion. If we do we shall need a devil to pay as in the ransom atonement. God is not that devil. He is our Savior from beginning to end. We will be able to see the payment was given in full for our redemption by God to God from God. Who fulfills the promise by the oath He swore to Himself. For there is none greater He could swear by. 🙏🏽

[@arsene737]

Yes, let's rely on fairy tales for healing instead of therapy which has experimental backing and is shown to be effective. Greek imports and ideas? Have you ever read your Bible? It's full of it. Never mind church dogma and tradition.

[@pateunuchity884]

@Neuraxial So you have a dead eye on fairy tales? Well, I am sure poetry, art and philosophy will do you no good.

[@arsene737]

@@pateunuchity884 You speak of Greek imports and ideas -- do you realize the NT is written in Greek? And is using ideas from Greek philosophy (Logos) and religion (Hades, mistakenly translated as hell)?

[@pateunuchity884]

@Neuraxial What are you trying to get at? Be more direct and you’ll have my full attention.

[@arsene737]

​@@pateunuchity884 It's quite possible I misunderstood you. Isn't that the tragedy of this world: to be so close and yet to not be able to properly communicate. Vanity of vanities, and all that.

[@shineyourlight9036]

I am confused, what we need Jeus to mediate between us and a vengeful Gd how does that make sense??

[@ilamay77]

To believe that God is a vengeful that is confusion because it's a lie

[@Butterfly777jc]

​​@@ilamay77 Relisten,,, he was saying that's the wrong image he grew up with.

[@ericwalter6504]

​@@Butterfly777jcre-read it, she/he is agreeing with you

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

We turned Zeus into Deus, a white bearded God with an attitude. ..What could go wrong ?

[@tammyegerton8616]

I wish i could get a written transcript for this

[@timtownley4378]

Where is the teaching of repentance? Where is the teaching that the human heart is evil apart from regeneration? Where is the teaching that God’s wrath abides on the unsaved? Where is the teaching that the mercy and grace of God are just as foundational to His attributes as His holiness and righteousness and justice? Why does Young teach Tri-Theism? Why does he teach the heresy of Patripassionism (the heresy that the Father was crucified with the Son)? I write this and ask these questions out of genuine love and respect. Christ is the only way to salvation, and what made that possible? The entirety of God’s wrath being poured out on Christ in judgment for sin. When the Father draws us to Himself through Christ and we are regenerated and born again, we are then justified in Christ for all eternity. This is essential to the gospel. We are chosen, we are called, we are given new life, we are converted, we are justified, we are adopted, we are sanctified (to life and to service), we persevere in Christ, and then we are glorified. All glory to God for His grace and mercy which saves us! Alleluia!

[@savannalane838]

They are both demons; expect nothing but blasphemy

[@cap6074]

Tim Townley why do you fundamentalists troll. If you don’t like it just walk away. Why trash a brother? Fundamentalists are obsessed with condemning people they don’t agree with. So typical.

[@marceloplioplis4393]

you say: "the heresy that the Father was crucified with the Son", The bible says, "God was IN CHRIST reconciling the world to himself".

[@alspence1839]

Two demonic men. That’s it. Narcissistic.

[@ritabrandow3750]

Please read the Bible for yourself. Read his book about Eve of the bible. What he says about Adam and Eve. Please don't just take what people say. I am saying this out of love.

[@MyJbryant]

Someone should have told me this YEARS ago.

[@jhq9064]

I feel your pain brother, wasted 10 plus years of my life believing ECT.

[@paulvoit5610]

If you're looking for lies you've come to the right place. These false teachers have tons of them.

[@phylliselizahb1041]

A lotta professing "atheists" behave in more loving, caring ways than quite a few pew warmers I've encounters. Imagine if all congregants inconvenienced themselves by helping neighbors?

[@sergkapitan2578]

Read Nicolas Berdyaev "On the destiny of man" very deep and explains what they discuss here...

[@phylliselizahb1041]

But caution that the darkside knows yer buttons & can mislead you. CS Lewis issues such a warning in "Screwtape."

[@ppcclips]

Thank you Lord!!!

[@susanmazzella865]

Ohn yeah i believe what some american best seller says cuz after all usa is the epitomy of good-

[@M11969]

Ummmm, while he does live in the U.S. and is married to an American, he's Canadian born.

[@mhmail1g]

Anyone who believes that God does not punish needs to read Matthew in the bible. People stop agreeing with Paul Young just because he makes you feel better about your sins. You KNOW in your hearts that God does punish and if you want to feel better about your daily life..read the Bible and ask God into your hearts, repent, and accept Him as the ONLY one true God and your Lord and Savior in Jesus' name. Praying for you all.

[@phaturtha216]

Turn or burn, eh? Squeezy sinners in the winepress of God. Oh sister, come on, 'I am salvation' is His holy name.

[@jasonspencer8558]

So let me get this straight. God is perfect and infinite, and he obviously knows humanity better than we know ourselves. Because of this, he would know the best ways to teach and guide us. Even we know that retributive punishment accomplishes nothing with children --- that people learn by watching, not by being force fed. So, are you saying that we know more than God does about how humans learn? Or maybe God does know and has a plan to draw all men to himself, as is stated many times in the Scriptures.

[@jasonspencer8558]

@Thought Crimes Hm, I actually never said that. I actually just asked an ontological question about God and his wisdom in dealing with humanity. Does he know how we are built and how we learn, or not? Plus, I don't belief in prooftexting. That is abuse of Scripture.

[@jasonspencer8558]

@Thought Crimes I have a Masters in Theology. What do you think? The Bible is a major source of information about God, but there are plenty of things even you believe about Him that aren't found clearly in the pages of Scripture. It's called philosophy.

[@jasonspencer8558]

@Thought Crimes I might add that your apparent belief that the Bible is the only source about God is not only unbiblical, but also not a belief that derives from Scripture.

[@bluemagic9531]

Awesomeness

[@racheladkins6060]

Why isn’t this all churches. Intelligent and awesome! Not religious at all. No more crappy baggage.

[@dustincampbell4835]

Because thankfully there are still churches that recognize a false gospel and a false Christ when they hear one presented.

[@waynesumner1829]

JESUS Saved!☀️♾️☀️GOD hath done (past tense) whatsoever He hath pleased. Genesis 1:31-2:3 ,First Cause, Only Effect. "After" THAT there is nothing real.

[@ThePFloyd65]

how do you explain the flood and Sodom and Gomorrah

[@77goanywhere]

Julian Gunther The love of God. Wherever unhindered destruction is at work Gods love for those people will move him to act. The flood was cleansing by water, and Sodom and Gomorrah was cleansing by fire. In both cases it was mercy, not furious judgement ar work. Remember, Jesus went to the people who died in the flood to preach the good news to them. Clearly this was not a place of eternal punishment, but simply where they were waiting until this time. Jesus compared Jerusalem with Sodom and Gomorrah when he prophesied it's destruction. But it was not that Jesus didn't love Jerusalem, or Sodom and Gomorrah. In both cases the actions of the people unleashed the destruction they suffered. Sin itself unleashes destruction. It is God who works to release people from this destruction.

[@Noone-dc9si]

The wrath of God against sin displayed. Jude 1

[@rainerkroeger4710]

Steve Koschella -- Washed and cleansed to death by total destruction. Mercy at work?

[@77goanywhere]

@@rainerkroeger4710 Would you rather have seen unhindered violence destroy everyone, and any chance of restoration?

[@77goanywhere]

@@rainerkroeger4710 Yes. What do you think?

[@hawhee]

I’m uneasy about believing what this author says about the Bible. Partly because wokeness and progressive ideology has infected the church, and partly because I have been reading the Bible for over 35 years, and his teaching appears to be lopsided.

[@szaylah]

I didn't like the shack even though I read it I don't I understood it from your perspective.

[@racheladkins6060]

I wish someone would buy my soul on eBay I could soy with the money and the love?😂

[@lindavanniekerk2130]

Wow ….. thank you for this truth!

[@woodfloorsjohnny]

What was The Song??

[@anthonywells5981]

In The Shack I understand why he attempted to redefine God in the way that he did, however God chose to reveal himself as Father ( male ). Jesus who revealed the Father came as the Son (male). So who am I to argue with God. Who are you to argue with God. Sure we need to understand God is love . But please stay with in the bounds of the Word that God has constructed for us to reveal Himself. Don’t disrespect God.

[@someonesomeone25]

The comments here are pretty messed up, lol. Mature disgareement in good faith they are not.

[@nevbillett7554]

That disgareement has a nice ring to it, sorta Mexican cowboy thing from the 70's going on

[@paulvoit5610]

Yet you contribute nothing but sitting on the fence and judging both sides.

[@someonesomeone25]

@@paulvoit5610 What would you like me to contribute beyond that assessment?

[@brandonroot7848]

7:44 is a clear understanding to me about the misunderstanding of God and of Jesus's sacrifice, it's truly hard to listen to this man speak blasphemous things

[@hawhee]

God loves us. God hates sin. If we choose to live in sin, we must face the consequences of our sin. Wm Paul Young makes statements that are contrary to the Bible. He is introducing his own ideas. Read your Bible!

[@makestraightthewayministries]

on the issue of the nature of God, the doctrine of hell, and the nature of mankind: This man's statements are scripturally unfounded, they are lies without foundation. this is heresy. • Jesus did not come to save us from God, but to restore us to him. God does not want to feed our sins but to free us from them. (John 3:16-17, Romans 5:8 6:23, Psalm 5:4 etc.) •Hell is not a temporary place of purging that extinguishes once we've learned our lesson. it is our destination if we reject God and the work he did for us. it does not relent. consider luke 16:19 - 31 • mankind is NOT by nature good. (Romans 3:10, jeremiah 17:9, romans 3:23) JESUS IS NOT "OUR BROTHER," HE IS OUR LORD AND OUR GOD.

[@brittanybraden1011]

I looked at all of the verses you mentioned and honestly did not see any contradictions between them and what Paul is saying. I suppose it’s all about individual perspective. That being said I’ve recently learned that for the early church non-belief in an eternal conscious torment hell was not considered heresy. It’s also important to note that when fire is used in the Bible by God it is restorative in nature. I’ve also recently learned that the words translated as “eternal” and “Hell” in English actually had different meanings in the original Greek. I would suggest comparing Bible translations with Young’s Literal Translation because to my understanding it’s a more accurate translation of the original language scripture was written in. If you’re a reader I suggest “Hell Yes Hell No” by John Noe or anything by Brad Jersek (there’s a lot of him on KZbin as well). I don’t wish to debate you and respect your convictions. I believe there is still lots of mystery surrounding exactly what happens next and don’t wish to be dogmatic about it. To me the most important thing is belief in the life, death and resurrection of Christ. Which as far as I can tell is a belief we share. However I am slowly learning that God’s great love and plan of redemption may be much greater than we could even imagine so I wanted to share some resources with you. 😊

[@makestraightthewayministries]

Brittany Braden thank you for considering and responding. With all due respect to you as a person, i cannot accept what is known as the Young’s translation, OR the New World Translation for that matter, because they conflict with the original documents and promote false theology, but this textual criticism is a far different subject. I believe that TRUTH of our maker is the most valuable thing one can search for. if you would like to figure this thing out together with me, I’d be happy to have that discussion. Feel free to email me at [e-mail]

[@makestraightthewayministries]

Brittany Braden just for the sake of clarity on my original comment: the doctrine of hell is important to understand, but if you are mistaken on this matter is really not that big an issue BUT if you have the wrong Jesus, you are eternally lost forever, (Galatians 1:6-9) and THIS was why i attributed heresy to these men, who say against the scriptures that men arent bad, that Jesus wasn’t who he said he was, that his sacrifice on the cross was to save us from God (as if God is some savage monster). There’s so much to say about what these men have said that is SO inaccurate to the word God delivered to us once and for all by the end of the first century. 2 Timothy 3:16, Jude 3, and 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 The identity of the one called The Christ is the most important thing in existence. “Who is Jesus?” And have you submitted yourself unto him? That is what it all boils down to

[@makestraightthewayministries]

Brian Jett idk why you bring up calling people fools, cuz i didn’t. Go talk to Mr T haha But in all seriousness, thank you for taking the time to write your very lengthy and well-informed response. It’s very well thought out, but there is, however, one fatal flaw (among many) that undermines all of it as false: we have found original copies of these manuscripts that predate everything you’ve listed. We have access to them, and have found that it’s been preserved perfectly (w/ exception to a few spelling errors). While no translation from this Greek/Hebrew to english is perfect, to argue it’s corruption is made null-and-void upon this discovery made decades ago. What we have is what they wrote. Period. And if you don’t believe that, you don’t believe God. you’d might as well throw the whole Bible into the trash and join the atheist “religion.” As for the difference between my position, and that of the Mormon church or the JW Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (to answer directly) is that those groups ADD TO and SUBTRACT FROM God’s word, twisting and distorting it to fit their theology, making a mockery of all that is holy by deliberately defying the Word of God: preaching another Jesus, another gospel. The Holy Spirit, through Paul, warned very strictly against this in his letters to the Corinthians (2Cor 11:3-4)and to the Galatians (1:6-10), and these liars are to be accursed. TRUTH is what Jesus came to testify of (John 18:35), claiming to be the way TRUTH and life (John 14:6), he says the TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE (John 8:32). If that’s the case, what are you afraid of in pursuing the Truth of scripture from Gods own words? Jesus spoke more about hell than he did paradise so it’s really important to understand, and to get it right by believing HIM. Not your perverted “scholars” or “prophets” bringing new “revelation” (that is to say “heresies”) under the guise of a holy mandate. God DOES NOT CHANGE (Num 23:19, Mal 3:6). He will not contradict himself. He will always remain unfettered in his nature and his sovereignty, even despite the best efforts of these organizations to corrupt it. When a new prophet arises, Be like the Bareans (Acts 17:11), and “test all things” (1 Thess 5:21) by scripture, & if they speak on behalf of God and it does not come to pass, THEY ARE FALSE PROPHETS (which both organizations are NOTORIOUS for - consider chapters Deut 13,18), if they lie about the gospel or preach another jesus they are to be accursed (Gal 1:6-10). God’s words - not mine. You would do well to reconsider your position, your eternity depends on it. You will stand as a “damned” fool on judgement day if you have blasphemed the Holy Spirit by rejecting Jesus and the propitiatory sacrifice he has made on your behalf and mine, because to reject Him is to reject the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. And when you stand in front of that great white throne of God, the only thing that will matter is to have willingly accepted Christ as your Lord, Saviour, & God. That means believing what he’s said too, being careful to observe it. This is why 2 Tim 2:15 urges that we RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH. Who will you believe: God or your false prophet?

[@yr6162]

Chris Garrett I'm with you.

[@Josh-vy2xy]

29:00 Even BIGGER HETERICAL STATEMENT....Mark 10:18; Luke 18:19 - JESUS HIMSELF SAYS "WHY DO YOU CALL ME GOOD, ONLY GOD IS GOOD"

[@Josh-vy2xy]

We are fundamentally evil...only God is good

[@sunnydaze721]

Jesus always seemed to have intentionally hidden Who He was...to most. He knew Only Father in heaven revealed Who He was, to people. Love when He asked His own chosen, " Who do men say that I am? " Gave the truth right there in the question! Gosh, He is Lovely. And there was that rich guy who walked away sad when Jesus told him to sell all he had, and follow Him. Wow! " Who then can be saved, Lord? " they asked. Jesus again, right there, says, ..." With God all things are possible. " He sure is Wonderful.

[@JohnHMarsden]

Thank you.

[@Josh-vy2xy]

36:50 he says that we brought darkness into the cosmos, not God....but then he says we are also fundamentally good. He is not clear on what he believes, and he is deceived....do not listen to these teachers.

[@sunnydaze721]

It was God Who called His creation " good. " Please remember that.

[@oleksandrhafurov3246]

​@@sunnydaze721We are NOT Creation!.. We are alive cause of His breath..not Word!

[@phylliselizahb1041]

Maybe you just didn't live w/damaged parents & don't understand the problem w/personal & cultural programming? That we transfer our encounters w/bewildered & confused WWII experienced parents?

[@phylliselizahb1041]

Maybe you've had too much sadness & unfairness? It's tough to connect to a therapy that'll help, but try. (I studied psychology & interpersonal communications @ a local college)

[@BlueJAndrew]

@@oleksandrhafurov3246🤔

[@mchristr]

It's easy to critique the modern Evangelical caricature of God but let's be reverently cautious about our speculation. Heresy lies at both ends of the pendulum swing.

[@racheladkins6060]

I always thought Americans are still Puritans. I don’t know if we are in England?

[@racheladkins6060]

There’s no churches, I know of like Paul Youngs teaching here in Shirebrook,Derbyshire,England. It’s either religion or evangelical stuff.