Lightyear Review: How NOT To Do A Villain

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[@SarcasticChorus]

@Silly_Silicon I'll save you the trouble. i'm mixed on it. I think it has moments of brilliance, but its so trapped in the conventions of adult animation having to be a comedy and Gary is insufferable because of it. Add in the fact, that Season 2 lost me in how repetitive the storytelling structure was. 20 minutes of goofy fun, then HARD, abrupt, broke my fucking neck tone shift to tragedy that felt like fanfiction. As it just had to pick the BIGGEST gut punch or say the most emotionally hurtful thing possible and I just got numb to it and dropped out after S2.

[@deen7530]

I like to imagine Andy, now graduated from college and living life as an adult, furiously typing away on the internet about how this movie ruined his favorite childhood show. Edit: YES I KNOW THIS MOVIE CAME OUT WHEN ANDY WAS A KID IN THE TOY STORY UNIVERSE STOP TELLING ME THAT

[@george2p]

I don´t think he´d be that much of a man baby XD

[@spidersomethin]

I mean this movie was the one that made him enthusiastic about buzz when he was a kid, it even says that at the start of the film.

[@salkinreslif9830]

I just had a similar idea for a story, in whkch our Toy-Story Buzz meets another Buzz-figure, based on this movie. The 2022 Buzz explains a bit of his World, leaving our Buzz just confused.

[@buzzytrombone4353]

Andy's a bigger chad than that.

[@pallydan893]

@@spidersomethin That bit should have been left out, claiming this movie was released on/before 1995 is a real load.

[@landonsantini365]

If this really was Andy's favorite film as a little boy, I gotta say, these are absolutely stellar graphics by the standards of 1995.

[@martianfilms9902]

You could assume it's advanced puppets for the time or a live action movie for plausible possibilities

[@games_on_phone89]

@@martianfilms9902 probably

[@magnej1520]

Tbh I doubt they would have had a lesbian couple in a 1995 animated movie, let alone not bring any attention to it. It’s just unrealistic for the time, it’s sad but true.

[@kasam0308]

If this was a film Bonnie watched on the big screen in 2019, then I bet Andy would've critisized Lightyear for making Buzz a nice guy. Espically because he would've been a fan of Star Command.

[@Misty25939]

I think this is equivalent to live-action in Andy's universe.

[@sinfulmourning2780]

The fact that old man buzz just "found" the Zurg ship lets me at least hope that there's an actual cool Zurg out there to facilitate fixing the villain issue

[@99oildrops]

Yeah they did Zurg poorly when he had a lot of potential to be really cool.

[@meow-rr1gd]

There is, the point was that he would be the villain of lightyear 2 where buzz also has the iconic suit. Guess what, we'll never get to see any of that now

[@barrybeanson8882]

My theory is that it is the axiom from Wall-E. It looked a lot like it when I watched it in theatres, but I should probably do a bit more research and take another look at it.

[@BingBangPoe]

I think Lightyear is just the same thing as The Good Dinosaur was: a field test for Pixar's latest technology.

[@colinm4055]

At least this movie had a plot.

[@Dudofall]

@@colinm4055 Hey, The Good Dinosaur had a plot! It's every animated movie's plot: a road trip!

[@venomz8888]

Imagine if the writing changed so that Buzz had a son that we see gradually change every 4 years from his testing the hyperdrive to become more cynical and angry at his father for abandoning his colony and his wife for so long that in the far future, leaves the planet with his colony without a hyperdrive traveling from planet to planet in search of resources and technology to eventually build his desire to rule the galaxy as the evil emperor Zerg.

[@pkr7639]

Honestly, when I heard that there was time travel in this film, before i saw the movie myself, i really thought about the the exact same thing. That was the only way I could see the ts2 'father' plot twist work. That would have been such a cool twist, with buzz still being in his late 20's, facing off against his own son who would be at least 20 years older than him. And maybe he could have gotten the zurg tech from a neigboring planet called 'Planet P-Z-A', where he enslaved the little green 3-eyed creatures that live there to construct all the robots for him

[@questworldiangreenknight7455]

That’s an interesting idea!

[@questworldiangreenknight7455]

@@pkr7639 OMG! That’s brilliant!!!

[@Sasquatch-ff1pj]

Congrats. You just wrote a better movie. One that kids and parents would enjoy watching.

[@venomz8888]

@@pkr7639 We should write the sequel if there ever is one.

[@firecrakerj3312]

Nowadays, it seems like the villain is either a twist or “The REAL villain is the one inside your mind, MAN!” The only black and white villain we’ve gotten so far was Ercole from Luca.

[@heroldofvortos178]

As if Evelyn Deavor wasn't enought to beat that dead horse

[@heroldofvortos178]

This trend shouldve stayed dead after Incredibles 2 and Nutcracker Four Realms.

[@questworldiangreenknight7455]

No kidding lol

[@questworldiangreenknight7455]

@@heroldofvortos178 oof

[@calebray1834]

If anything it’s not surprise anymore.

[@omgodification]

I get the wacky and zany concept behind Buzz's new partners. But did they REALLY have to make them THAT incompetent?? They barred on the line of being straight up just dead weight. And you can't help but feel bad for Buzz when he's forced to get along with them for the sake of "character development". Like yeah, a professional would ABSOLUTELY get frustrated with a bunch of rookies who do nothing but thwart his progress and then expect him to let it slide when the fate of literally all the planet is on the line. Let the man do his job correctly, for god's sake.

[@spritemon98]

How I rank the rookies on usefulness Hawthorne's granddaughter Then the grandma Lastly is the incompetent guy who runs away from his problems

[@omgodification]

@@spritemon98 I'd reckon convict grandma is the most useful one because she actually knows what she's doing and more often than not gets held back by her two companions in a similar manner to Buzz (particularly the pen guy), but I can see where you're coming from though

[@mattjindrak]

How do you bar on the line of something?

[@realgrilledsushi]

So true LMFAOOO

[@laughinghyena888]

Yes they are incompetent but have you seen Buzz in this movie? He is the most idiotic and least self aware of them all. The moral of the story was that he needed to accept that can't do everything alone BUT HE NEVER COULD. From the beginning of the movie through the end he was not able to do anything. In fact, his team of incompetent people who never even had training are able to save his dumb ass multiple times throughout the film. I go into further detail in my comment on this video, but basically the entire moral of the story is completely invalidated because Buzz has never been shown to be capable of doing any competent behavior on his own without help for him to even believe that he would not need help for anything.

[@funnyblog100]

There's only one time I've ever seen an evil version of the hero done perfectly. That was Darkwing Duck. The episode "time and punishment" Gosayln the hero's adopted daughter is catapulted into the future. Without his little girl darkwing duck was driven insane by grief and became worse than any villain seen on the show. In fact its implied he killed most of his villains and those who survived fled the city in terror. The city became a police state all because of a hero driven mad by the loss of his daughter. It's extremely dark and its believable because Darkwing became a hero mostly for the glory and fame and was selfish. Goslyn his adopted daughter was the only positive influence in his life. Without that positive influence to keep him on the straight and narrow he fell so far off the deep end.

[@lsebastian9086]

And also a proper way to handle an alternate evil versino of the hero int he form of Negaduck So the show got not one but two ways to handle the evil hero counterpart, one as a fallen hero and other as a mirror verse, yet both of them being very memorable. I dunno if negaduck counts but i could not help myself

[@funnyblog100]

@@lsebastian9086 Yeah even Danny Phantom didn't do this completely right in Ultimate Enemy. Dark Danny isn't actually Danny he's a fusion of Danny and Vlad's ghost halves.

[@Quackervoltz]

Darkwing Duck was a certified banger

[@croissantlover1]

this reminds me of Dead rising 2 and the spinoff game Dead Rising 2: Off the record. In the original game, Chuck Greene is doing everything to save his daughter and fights psychopaths and zombies. In OTR.. His daughter died and he is now a psychopath you must fight in the park area, having a doll that looks like his daughter on his back.

[@chocov1233]

​@@croissantlover1 I love Dead Rising so much.

[@virginiafernandez6846]

The worst thing is, they COULD have made it work better. In Toy Story 2, it was established that Zurg is Buzz's father. So if they absolutely NEEDED a plot twist, just... use that. They could even just explain it as being a reference. Edit: Every answer to this comment: "that was a SW reference" Me: *suprised pikachu face*

[@DenverEight]

You’d actually run with a Star Wars reference as grounds for actual lore?

[@Megatron_95]

I thought it was played as a joke like they did in the TV series

[@table2.0]

@@DenverEight they OWN Star Wars!! YES they could’ve made this film a cheesy Star Wars parody!

[@Vertex_vortex]

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[@DolanDuking]

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[@AlextheKaijuFan]

I also thought Zurg was going to be the rookie for a brief moment.

[@negavenom]

Yeah me too man.

[@bartholomew1096]

Legit would've been better lmao

[@demontorch]

Same

[@wardjunior1450]

Same

[@thomasdeen2099]

What if the real Zurg was Ultraseven all this time.

[@SolarBrain4128]

Spitballing an idea I had that they could have used for Zurg. Keep him being Buzz's father...but Buzz isn't his only son/child. Zurg is an evil emperor, but the empire needs a successor if things don't go to plan. So Zurg, egomaniac that he is, makes clones of himself. However, only the strongest, wisest, and most resilient should take over. Not wanting children to interfere with his galaxy-conquering plans, he sends them off to different planets all across the galaxy. The plan is to reintroduce himself only to the child who succeeds the most. Buzz, an orphan from a backwater planet, grows into an elite member of star command. While the fact he is a member of an organization that is actively opposed to Zurg is a setback, the power-hungry emperor feels that with enough motivation he can convince his son to take his rightful place by his side. But if Buzz proves to be too stubborn, well... there are plenty of spares around the galaxy. Alternatively, if you want to make Zurg somewhat more sympathetic, yet still evil, he could have had a wife that grew disillusioned with Zurg's plans for galaxy conquest. She abandons him and takes their infant son with her, afraid that he'll turn their child into a living weapon. Buzz grows up with a fairly normal childhood, yet still feels saddened that he never knew his father. He does manage to become a space ranger. When he meets Zurg, Zurg is genuinely thrilled to have finally found his long-lost son. This becomes one of the conflicts of the story as Buzz is happy to finally meet his father but understands that what Zurg is doing is wrong. Zurg meanwhile, truly does love his son, in his own way, and can't grasp why Buzz isn't 100% on board. They both want to have the other in their life, but because of their beliefs and moral philosophies, they can't live happily together. Buzz has to choose his new family at star command to save the galaxy, even if that means losing his birth father forever.

[@talkingcontroller9396]

Reminds me of Ego and Star Lord in Gotg vol 2

[@SolarBrain4128]

@@talkingcontroller9396 True, although I will admit the first idea was partially based on the Primarchs from Warhammer 40k

[@hudsondunn8385]

@@SolarBrain4128 Thats what I was thinking.

[@I-Not-Gonna-Take-It]

Ego be like:

[@lady_zora]

This is really good!

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

The problem with these twist villains is that they require too much brainpower. The reason Turbo worked was because he was subtly planted midway through the movie, so his reveal at the end was an "ah-ha!" moment more than a "what a twist!"

[@jeremyallen5974]

It wasn't even a 'twist', the idiot writers were just looking for an excuse to throw a young and old Chris Evans at each other again REGARDLESS of if the details made sense or not

[@roxananava592]

Zurg should have been Buzz’ dad. It was way funnier and yet somehow far more interesting than this.

[@KaminoKatie]

That’s literally just a Star Wars joke in Toy Story 2

[@minnion2871]

@@KaminoKatie Perhaps, but if they build on it to the point where it turned out that Buzz was aware all along.... (And to turn the parody on its head, have Buzz's Mom Still be alive.... I mean seriously, the banter between Zerg and Buzz's Mom would be hilarious if Zerg really was his Dad... Especially if he and his Mom thought his dad was dead....)

[@helpmeplease403]

THEY LITERALLY MADE THAT JOKE AND ALMOST DID THAT BUT THEY JUST WENT “Oh no I’m YOU.” AND THATS WHEN I LOST ALL MY INTEREST.

[@hannahkillian689]

I thought about that while watching some BLoSC earlier. Why not have Buzz's dad be the one who went forward in time, get lost, then he became Zurg in his attempt to get home? Maybe the time-travel could've scrambled his mind to make him the campy, over-the-top villain in BLoSC. Idk, just a thought. And yeah, it was just a joke in TS2 but I do agree with what you said. Edit: And just to add, what if instead of making new characters, they had just used the ones from BLoSC and had the movie be a prequel to the BLoSC movie where Buzz becomes a Space Ranger? Have Warp be the best friend and Buzz's mom be the one who dies, but it's while he's gone the first time around. Then the second time, he tries to go back so he can say goodbye to her, but something goes wrong and he gets catapulted forward in time, where he meets Zurg. Then they both come back to the present and the time-travel starts scrambling Buzz's mind a bit...

[@stephenking5852]

At least Zurg’s design is awesome. He should been Burnside though. Now I feel like he was just a red herring for us.

[@reasyrandom]

Hearing that they ruined Zurg is a real stab to the heart. He was easily one of the best parts of Star Command. If he was created by Disney, he totally deserved being with the likes of Ursula, Scar or Hades.

[@KhaosAdmiral]

Hell, Wayne Knight's performance makes for one of the absolute funniest villains ever in the Disney animated shows.

[@kipolem53]

P..ixar has failed drastically to infinity and beyond. ete Doctor is the Kathleen Kennedy fo ixar. The soone rpeople realize this, the better. Figures it takes an ACTUAL space opera from Pixar for peole's eyes to be oen to this face. It's

[@Kingbeat1]

I wish that show on Disney plus

[@elenacienfuegos8450]

@@kipolem53 4 bad films? I may be oblivious, what what were they?

[@psychoman1355]

Well there is still hope, the implication is that wasn’t the real Zurg and he just found one of Zurgs abandoned ships, meaning the real Zurg is probably still in space somewhere. Its just a matter of where and when he shows up.

[@everyonegetselfears1444]

This movie did one thing really right in my opinion. The montage of Buzz going further and further in the future was really good. It causes this kind of settling dread as you see him missing his best friend’s life, trapped in a brutal routine of traveling more and more. The feeling of “Oh. *Oh.* They’re actually going to go there,” and desperately willing him to just stop. I wish they’d further established this planet before zooming into the future to make it more impactful.

[@luisdaprodigy2208]

The one part I really hated about this movie.

[@sodaboi2154]

I felt the exact same! It a bit of a gut punch only from a visual standpoint though, it has less of an impact because it happens so early on, which sucks since that scene at least had good potential to be much more saddening if we had more to work off of

[@everyonegetselfears1444]

@@sodaboi2154 That's true. It would've been a lot more meaningful if we had seen more of the planet and the people and what exactly he was missing, instead of the characters just talking about what he missed.

[@MrEakieran]

Honestly same, I've always had a thing with the whole 'time dilation making you lose time and making it seem like everyone is aging around you', so the whole Starman scene with him jumping further and further until everyone is dead hit me with the same emotional weight as the opening of UP. That one scene alone elevated the entire film for me to at least an 8/10... Until the stupid Zurg reveal which dropped it down to a 6/10...

[@ShadowSaberBaroxio]

I was okay with Zurg being Buzz's father in Toy Story 2 because it didn't break any of the established canon of Buzz Lightyear of Star Command; Zurg was never noted to have any relationship with Buzz, so it was possible. But what they're doing with this movie, is completely breaking all prior canon. Not only is Zurg now Buzz himself instead of his father, but the entire Galactic Alliance has been retconned out of existence. Are there seriously no aliens in this movie?

[@VanSprinkes]

I feel like The LEGO Movie 2 did this way better because they show how Emmet could become an upsetting character.

[@KaminoKatie]

But he just became an abandoned toy who wants to take it all out on strangers

[@yourcomradepal978]

at least it made sense and was interesting

[@misterbiscuit3706]

And even then, that movie wasn’t THAT good. (Not bad, just mid.) Just shows how such a neat plot idea could work, but the stories it’s including in aren’t that good.

[@Rosa-he6xb]

True, I do like the Lego movie 2 more than Lightyear. Though Lightyear is still alright.

[@ghostarwarrior]

YO THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING! I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE

[@spykidtalksaboutanything4395]

All you had to do was Make Zurg buzz's father who transferred his consciousness into a robot body, after going completely insane. He blames star command for the death of his son, and ends up trying to kill them all, having lost it over the 70 years buzz was gone. Then completely goes mental when someone who looks like his son appears, and tries to just eliminate everyone, and make the 'impersonator' die an excruciating death. This feels like the same as "THAT WAS HIS MISTAKE" but it feels a lot better then, future buzz tries to kill past buzz because SPITE or something

[@hasbruh2987]

If future buzz kills past buzz wouldn't future buzz also die?

[@noctisluciscaelum211]

@@hasbruh2987 yes exactly the point unless there doing the endgame/dragon ball theory.

[@Darthwgamer]

@@hasbruh2987 Basically suicide

[@mannyheffley4599]

Plus it implies that buzz fucked his mom

[@pumkin610]

@@hasbruh2987 nah wouldn't that be a paradox? Buzz kills buzz so young buzz can't grow old and kill buzz- lets just say the young one can die and the old one would still be living their life.

[@HoodiewearingOpp]

Rest In Peace Zurg. You didn’t deserve to be a bad villain, you deserved better. Let’s all pay respects to our once good villain, Zurg. (Press F to pay respects)

[@noctisluciscaelum211]

We don't know if he's dead or not. The suit started lighting up.

[@HoodiewearingOpp]

@@noctisluciscaelum211 I meant about the being a good villain part!

[@mochikinzy4912]

yea and zerg was supposed to be buzz's dad...

[@killiehall5928]

F

[@Sigmaohiosigma]

@@noctisluciscaelum211 he's not dead cause the post credit scene showed him waking up

[@Poptienza03]

To be honest, I didn’t mind the twist, as the “dad” thing in Toy Story 2 was just a Star Wars joke and this movie still did something similar. My disappointment was that, for a space movie, there’s no non-human characters. I honestly felt that the cartoon captured the whimsical silliness of a fictional Buzz movie the toy is based off and making this movie as serious as they can was a headscratcher.

[@jchandlersabeast]

The robot-cat is not human

[@liamphibia]

The fact that we never see the little three-eyed green men already raises red flags. But hey, we ain't getting sequel anytime soon because Lightyear bombed HARD!💵💣

[@maddiehalloway]

Yes! Seeing only humans in space related media can get boring real fast; that’s if you’re not aiming for drama or suspense like ‘Interstellar’. For a family movie, it could have used some wacky designs. I know it’s supposed to be an introductory film but still, not even mentioning other species? Come on.

[@jchandlersabeast]

They failed to make buzz cool. And they also villanized him too. I do not see Andy rushing out to buy a Buzz Lightyear after watching that crap movie

[@TheDanteEX]

@@liamphibia The green aliens are Pizza Planet mascots. I don't think they're supposed to be part of the Lightyear brand.

[@TheSecondVersion]

There's a theory that Old Buzz simply stole technology from a *real* Emperor Zurg. He tells Young Buzz that "robots say Zurg because they can't say Buzz," despite the fact that all the robots suspiciously have a "Z" logo on them. Also, at the end of the film, the team is sent to "Gamma 4 Quadrant," where Zurg was said to be from in the earlier Toy Story canon.

[@bartholomew1096]

God I fucking hope so

[@BrettLane256]

That's been my personal theory since even the reveal while watching the movie. But man, that doesn't help how underwhelming the movie on its own is. But we can't write their own movies for them again. Ugh.

[@blueengineer4554]

Old buzz did say that most of the technology was borrowed so that would make sense

[@chocov1233]

So like the Mardarin in Iron Man 3.

[@eg-draw]

He literally said he stole all his stuff lol

[@nyctophobia4573]

Does anyone remember the scene in Toy Story 2 where Buzz finds himself in an aisle of Buzz Light-year toys, only to get replaced by one himself? Why not have that be a plotline? I have no clue how Light-year lore works but what if cloning was a concept? Buzz was such a good soldier people wanted to make copies of him. Again and again. Just like the clones from Star wars. But the original couldn't stand being a puppet for his superiors, so he instigated a rebellion and turned all the clones to his side, becoming Zerg. The big reveal is that under their masks, Zerg's robot soldiers are all copies of him. Buzz's existence would be explained by the fact that his organization had one last clone, so they turned him into the perfect soldier much to Zerg's dismay. Honestly, that'd make the scene in Toy Story 2 all the more eerie, as you realize the Buzz's being mass manufactured toys is one of the main themes of the original story, which was a cautionary tale about using people as disposable tools... Not that Disney would ever commit to something so deep. It would call into question their own evil empire.

[@willmungas8964]

That would actually make “buzz, I am your father” make sense too. Zurg would be the ORIGINAL buzz, who became upset that star command secretly cloned him and that he was used, but then turned all his clones against star command and hunted down any rogue ones. The Zurg and robot suits would be to keep them alive over centuries of space travel and aging. Would have been a much better take

[@avosmash2121]

Wow thats genius. Kinda sick of Star Wars and its references personally being everywhere myself, even the scene in TS2 felt like an unfunny/campy forced sort of ironic funny dead horse gag to me. But I bet so many ACTUAL Star Wars Prequels fans would appreciate the Clone Wars link, and that would thematically regardless make clever sense, as its obvious Buzz is inspired heavily by space opera franchises such as Star Wars in the first place anyway. And I love the deeper allegories for capitalism and using up people's disposable lives (like soldiers, entertainers and sweatshop workers) the way humans use toys without thinking about them until their service is over, both in Andy's world and in the real world. Your idea would also I think humanize and drive home how gross and weirdly unethical a thing like breeding clone armies are, cos I feel like the prequel movies totally glossed over this fact and kinda made it romanticized and cool, nobody really ever looked up and was like "wait this is messed up". And I dont think Star Wars canon (main films anyway) ever really explored the psychology of that.

[@mr.cobalt1668]

@@avosmash2121 Clone Wars and Bad Batch did.

[@lonebattledroid4474]

That’s genius

[@lonebattledroid4474]

And that’s actually similar to what a lot fans thought the Clone Wars were. IE; they thought an army of Clones tried to wipe out the Republic/Jedi in some big war that ended with the Republic turning into the Empire and the Jedi all but wiped out. So it’d be cool to see a Star Wars like property do that idea

[@keenlybee7669]

Honestly, I didn’t feel any sense of loss until the original rookie’s suit was retrieved from storage. It’s such a small detail, but only then did it click and I was like ‘damn, last time we saw the rookie, he was a young adult’… and now he’s probably dead, and his suit is all but a relic, collecting dust. Where did the time go? I hope he had a fulfilling life…

[@noodlefish8793]

Zurg actually made really good points. Buzz would have saved hundreds of lives and could have used his future knowledge to introduce those 2 later. Classic movie problem

[@jepersprepur2809]

Just love it when Disney puts a gay character in a film and it’s just enough so they get browny points then edit any of their scenes out of the film over seas because they just wanna appeal to their overlords Stop caring about representation from a company that does not care unless you are putting money in their pockets (Yes they for once didn’t edit the character out in lightyear I know this, that doesn’t disprove my point at all just because one film in years of them makin “representation”they finally don’t do it cause the film probably wasn’t going to do well regardless, and especially when the character isn’t in the film for more than ten minutes -_-)

[@KaminoKatie]

This film was actually banned in a bunch of conservative countries including China

[@jepersprepur2809]

@@KaminoKatie yes one film in the Myriad of other Disney properties and films that are still edited in other countries to remove it Hell just look at what happened with Owl House

[@privatehere3324]

@@jepersprepur2809 the owl house was cancelled for being too story driven. Not because of gay rep.

[@jepersprepur2809]

@@privatehere3324 yes I’m very sure that’s the real reason when the shows creator made very vague complaints about it on twitter

[@someoneyouprobablyknowandl9964]

@@jepersprepur2809 Dana has been very outspoken against Disney's entire shtick. If that was the reason for Owl House getting cancelled, she'd have no problem saying it (she has said much worse against Disney). So I believe her when she says it wasn't that.

[@Prince-cl1yh]

I think it’s much more acceptable if Zurg was Buzz’s father since the movie was showing during father’s day. They could make it much emotional between a father and a son dynamic like Pixar does. Just sharing my opinion, I guess… 🐸👑

[@The_Toonami-AdultSwim_fan2002]

Shut the hell up with that pathetic opinion excuse already, just say you hate and hope it burns in hell and move on, you pathetic Nostalgia soyboy.

[@basedstreamingatcozy-dot-t7126]

in Toy Story 2, wasn't there a joke about Zurg being Buzz's father?

[@The_Toonami-AdultSwim_fan2002]

@@basedstreamingatcozy-dot-t7126 Yeah, and it was a dumb joke.

[@verniy9960]

I would like to pint out that Evil Buzz was never overconfident. He was just focused on his mistake and lived "in the past" not thinking about anything else. He wasn't bad because he was arogant. He was evil because he was ready to sacrifice everyone's lives just to make himself free of his mistake.

[@Mikescool444]

Honestly, imagine Andy growing up to be an online movie reviewer.

[@giorgimamalashvili4220]

The fact that Zurg being his father in Toy Story 2 is a lot more simple yet logical sense than being a straight up "i'm buzz from another universe but evil" twist is a big letdown. They could've just...y'know, kept that twist, SW parody or not.

[@TheRealShatterGlass]

If they *really* wanted to have the Big Bad Evil Guy be Evil Buzz From Another Universe, I personally think it would have worked significantly better if Evil Buzz was just Evil Buzz and not Zurg. Not only would this not nullify the Star Wars reference/joke in Toy Story 2, but we could also have a bit of fun, even if somebody still wanted to casually pretend that Buzz Lightyear of Star Command wasn't a thing. Picture this: Evil Buzz has conquered his universe and rules it with an iron fist. At some point, he finds a way into the Lightyear Universe and begins to conquer that. However, he realizes that Star Command and the Space Ranger Corps would pose a powerful threat to him, or at least be a minor annoyance. As Lightyear Buzz is testing the Hyperspace Fuel, Evil Buzz goes out of his way to make sure that the Star Command we all love and know doesn't come to fruition. Heck, if you really wanted the whole "Buzz must stop himself from creating a paradox" ending, Evil Buzz eventually realizes that he unintentionally guaranteed that Star Command will become powerful enough to make conquering the universe a significant hassle. If he wants to keep Star Command weak, he must prevent Lightyear Buzz from doing the tests in the first place. Lightyear Buzz fights to prevent a paradox, Evil Buzz loses, and we all go home. But what about Zurg? Well, despite being an evil emperor, Zurg isn't as powerful as he is in Buzz Lightyear of Star Command. Maybe he simply decided that being the evil emperor of one planet or galaxy was enough. However, having somehow known about Evil Buzz nearly succeeding in conquering the universe, Lightyear Zurg decides that if anyone's going to conquer the universe, it should be him. And he's still Buzz's father.

[@Binks129]

It was a Star Wars joke… Zurg isn’t even Buzz’s father in the tv show

[@Enriqueguiones]

Zurg should have been Zurg. Ming is not related to Flash Gordon. The Mekon is not related to Dan Dare. Why can't they make just a fun pulpy space adventure??

[@TheRealShatterGlass]

@@Enriqueguiones Good question.

[@BullseyeRey]

​​@@Binks129 Because the TV show started production before Toy Story 2 came out. All they had was Zurg's design and they went from there. It's why TS 2's Zurg's personality is different from the cartoon version.

[@Lucien_M]

Honestly, I thought Burnside was going to be Zurg, puppeteering the attacks to justify the use of the laser shield. The robots weren't effective or aggressive against the dome, and Burnside was clearly adamant about the use of laser shields.

[@invadernav3422]

That's what I was thinking would happen! Burnside had power on the planet, he was in control and he was so dismissive of Hawthorne's legacy. So much focus was put on him being a dick at the start, that I expected a follow through with him being Zurg.

[@distinguishedallureproduct879]

This!!! I was just about to post that, Burnside would of been the perfect reason for Zurg, A Space Officer that had to deal with Buzz's narracistic and solo Dolo attitude for years, seeing people grow old and nothing get fixed cause Buzz doesn't listen, until finally Burnside becomes Zurg (to fix Buzz's mistakes) and become overlord

[@Keychaine]

Same, so in that regard, the twist surprised me.

[@EvelynTheVixen2016]

I really, really want the laser shield to be a meme. Expecially after the post-credit scene.

[@bet0v966]

I’d like to imagine that in the Toy Story world, some people saw this movie & were like we can do this better & that’s how the toy Buzz & the Star Command got made. The movie inspired folks to write a better story

[@jujufoxie.-.]

yas

[@mackobalt2630]

The true villain was the nostalgia inside us all along

[@donnyhotard8575]

I'm assuming you never finished Star Command because you never mentioned Evil Buzz from the alternate universe where Buzz is the Evil Emperor of the universe. More important to mention that is done better in Star Command than how he treats rookies. Also, Warp Darkmatter was his teammate in Star Command. Warp didn't die. He faked his death and was a double agent for Zurg.

[@questworldiangreenknight7455]

That as a movie could have been good

[@Crzypengu]

Huh, I guess I never saw that episode. I'll have to rewatch the series again which hopefully will make this film a bit more enjoyable for me than it was.

[@michaelnally2841]

I dunno if the twist was meant to be a reference to the show or not.

[@MrChaoticreign]

@@Crzypengu alt Buzz is hilarious, he has a goatee

[@googamp32]

I was already unenthused by this movie, but when you revealed that Zurg was Buzz from the future, I IMMEDIATLY lost what little interest I had!

[@Master-Works]

Me too

[@eatatjoes6751]

Yep. Me too.

[@unioneye1087]

Just sounds like you were already biased from the start tbh

[@sidjiiimenudo842]

So, future buzz banged his mom?

[@Master-Works]

@@unioneye1087 It’s justified

[@AuroraOwlQueen]

That rookie being Zurg idea made me actually excited XD

[@chadderbug7587]

"It's Up but worse" is so perfect. Just looking at old Buzz made me think of Muntz way too much it's scary.

[@F_for_F]

Concept I have to make this movie better: Movie starts Buzz says “to infinity, and your mom” Movie ends Credits

[@seesemeseeds1217]

Cue the smiling friend scene we’re everyone is cheering

[@The-Maxter]

Yup definetelly

[@bladeinthesmint5995]

Instant 10/10

[@games_on_phone89]

only good comment here

[@Ben7892]

This is gonna be up there with spider man no way home

[@mostlydoodless]

Idk why but I thought Zerg was gonna be his father like the joke from Toy Story 2, but why does that make more sense than future Buzz

[@dajohnniesanders6997]

It won't make anything sense. Present buzz and further future buzz being in the same place would error by buzz deciding not to be zerg and secondly can theirs be buzz from the past meeting meeting each other when they time travel to the future from two different eras. How that even possible when only if they came from two different parallel universe

[@angrymokyuu9475]

​@@dajohnniesanders6997 I'm pretty sure time travel that prevents itself is more common than time travel as self-fulfilling prophecy in fiction. So this is hardly unprecedented(or even unusual).

[@Insane-Mane]

This vid sums up exactly what bothered me about this movie. From the shoddy inception and side characters meant to sell merchandise, to the overall waste of a villain. It could have been much more interesting had they played into the “Zurg as Buzz’s Father” idea, going about in different ways like: Buzz’s Father being an Ex-Star Command captain fueled by the (what he assumes to be) loss of his son after the initial test flight and blaming Star Command for its failure, setting off to find him in space. The mech suit could’ve been used to to keep him alive to catch up with Buzz during dilations and the robots made to help search for Buzz. Or Buzz’s father was once one of the greatest Space Rangers that vanished in deep space during a mission, but presumed to be killed by alien robots from his last transmission. Thought to be long-since dead, Buzz discovers his Father was assimilated by a tech-based hive mind akin to the Borg from Star Trek, warping his mind and making him vengeful towards Star Command for never rescuing him. These ideas might sideline the Hawthorne character and/or the “marooned on an alien planet“ plot line, but it’d at least give credence to the story the toys themselves referenced instead of leaving it as a (now nonsensical) Star Wars reference. Feels like loose lore they disregarded in favor of doing the weird “Big Twist” Disney movies feel the need to compulsively put in their movies now. Your audience being able to pick up your reveal before you make it doesn’t always signify bad writing, if anything it’s properly constructed and in this case just answering questions the Toy Story movies posed!

[@joanahkirk338]

I love how the making of featurette just had the team behind it talk about how fun it was to design the world. Not the characters, not the drama or anything like that, exclusively how fun it was to design the world. Also I'm pretty sure they got the time dilation thing backwards as every other thing I've seen utilizing that dynamic has the person who goes closer to light speed experiencing more time than those who aren't traveling closer to light speed.

[@wbeeze3415]

I wasn’t planning on watching this, now I’m definitely not watching this. Why did they have to make buzz his own villain?? In some cases that can work but here? Not so much. I saw someone say “why can’t we have villains anymore who are evil just for the sake that they’re evil?” In this case the villain didn’t have to have a super deep connection to buzz. Buzz could have just been the one person who finally stepped up to try and successfully stop him. Or even the idea of the syndrome rip off could have worked.

[@twentyfivemelody]

Yeah the Syndrom ripoff could have worked knowing Buzz’s personally

[@Sanakudou]

It feels like modern writers, due to their obsession over creating “deep” or “complex” villains, have completely forgotten the narrative purpose of antagonists, particularly in correlation to the protagonist.

[@mattkugelman4369]

@@Sanakudou either that and/or the idea that villains aren’t evil just tragic and misunderstood

[@Agent_A_Graham]

Does it really kill you to watch a short movie? Like, okay, the guy in the video is expressing his opinions justly and wholeheartedly, but why does that deter you from watching it? It's not like you're committing to something drastic and years-long. It's a movie.

[@Agent_A_Graham]

@@Sanakudou I don't understand what this point even means. That doesn't sound like attempting to be deep. That just sounds like studios having to make a barebone story because of the countless greenlit projects they need to complete. Plenty of modern writers have written outstanding works that are far better than older works. It just sounds like you're cherrypicking.

[@BubblesZap]

Amazing that they took a character named Evil Emperor Zurg and made him not a single one of those 3 words.

[@mrbigglezworth42]

Lightyear had a great villain, Disney itself. Killed that movie before it even made it out the door.

[@jackattack9678]

Imagine if Disney/Pixar wasn't obsessed with super shocking twist villains that are executed badly

[@Johnof1000Suns]

Hearing who the twist villain made me pull a “WTF” face so hard, it was probably visible from Pluto. Jokes aside, I was moderately interested in this movie initially, as in a “I wonder where this will go”, only for the twist villain part to fully put me of from watching this. May still watch it, but not due to genuine intrigue.

[@spritemon98]

I was excited to see where this movie would go then I found out about the team of misfits and time travel

[@wallyhackenslacker]

Totally agree. That was pretty much my exact reaction as well. I'm honestly glad I got that spoiler.

[@tamerafarly7666]

I really liked the beginning. I liked Buzz and his friend. I actually teared up when she died. Imo, movie should have ended there. Actually, if this was it's own original story, I'd have her be his wife. He'd be so obsessed with saving his family and getting them off the planet that he would have missed out on his family. Then after he finally finds the way to save them, he he has to deal with the fact that his children are older than him and they don't trust him. His grandchildren are grown and they don't know him.

[@questworldiangreenknight7455]

THAT WOULD BE BRILLIANT!!!!!

[@tamerafarly7666]

@@CloverLovesTT As long as I make one of Buzz's daughters a lesbian (with a wife that gets actual speaking lines) then the representation is still there. And, she'll be on screen longer than his wife was because Buzz won't be skipping over her life anymore.

[@stephenking5852]

A story like that would have justified Zurg being a future version of Buzz. In this version, however, it should’ve been Burnside.

[@bronumero7334]

@@CloverLovesTT cry harder

[@KopperNeoman]

@beebjank Lesbians are massively overrepresented. By the numbers, the number of lesbians should be roundes neatly to 0% 😀

[@ilikethecokev2]

In fairness, a Buzz spinoff WAS asked for by a lot of people, but like you said, we already got it with the show

[@crimson_bunni4382]

I legit laughed out loud at the reveal of who Zurg was, I had to pause it just because of how both stupid and serious the scene felt And just the "dad?" quip from buzz had me in tears

[@Vertex_vortex]

At the end of the movie buzz never told his friends the identity of the villain or anyone, it was weird for me too not see him say that

[@deadcool3227]

I mean would they believe him? "Oh yeah, turns out Zurg was an evil me from an alternate timeline"

[@Vertex_vortex]

@@deadcool3227 only buzz knows the purpose of zorg and nobody questions themselves why They attack the city for no reason, during zorg going after buzz, zorg just passes his team and went after buzz, i don't really understand why zorg aka alternate buzz attacks his people(the city), by sending his robots to attack the city, and zorg just died and nobody cares afterwards not only this movie needed more lore but the movie was only 106 minutes so it was short, I guess that's why they didn't have time to explain

[@Vertex_vortex]

@@deadcool3227 well I guess buzz didn't told them because he would have looked at as a greedy person and was his fault for continuing the mission for 70 years

[@deadcool3227]

@@Vertex_vortex he did it so that the events of this timeline would end up different from his own, so that he could get Buzz's crystal and go back in time to prevent the crash. He wants to complete the mission, so he never really wanted to hurt anyone, well I mean people were probably hurt but not in life threatning ways. Or if they did then he wouldn't care because, to him, if he goes back in time and prevents the crash none of this would've ever happened

[@Vertex_vortex]

@@deadcool3227 well they didn't explain time travel or time paradoxes of how they function in their universe, well judging of it, they clearly didn't want to have erase zorg during last alive moments from the timeline, which creates a time paradox but they didn't which just confuses me

[@gameb9oy]

Ah yes lightyear, or as I like or call it “the only way they could keep milking toy story movies without adding a number”

[@yvaincallipso84]

I read somewhere that this movie isn't the movie Andy watched as a kid, its the remake he watched as an adult and was incredibly disappointed by

[@Mahaka_35]

I was really hoping that the movie would be a real life story (in the universe of Toy Story) of a man who went to space and became a legend. Legend enough to have toys made in his likeness.

[@zerocritikal]

I think it would've been cool if the evil Buzz was actually just a cosmic type alien all along, like he transforms into something otherworldly when Buzz declined his idea, essentially using his memories and looking like Buzz to trick him into giving him the hyperdrive tool to take over the planet

[@datboi1102]

already a better twist villain. You should be a writer for disney lol

[@zerocritikal]

@@datboi1102 That is geniunly a huge compliment bro thank you

[@lancerguy3667]

Honestly, I think I could have lived with the Unlimited Buzz Works twist if they'd just been a bit campier about the reveal. Something, like, Buzz: They told me enough! They told me you killed my father! Zurg: Hey!! He was 'my' father too! Buzz: Noooo! You're my long lost brother? Zurg: Getting warmerrrrrr...

[@minnion2871]

Buzz: Woah long lost SISTER?! Wait.... But wouldn't that make you Evil "Empress" Zurg or am I missing something here?

[@XD-sc4ix]

Zurg: you are a fool!!! Buzz for I am your UNCLE!!!!

[@TFmoviesss]

I actually see this as menacing like if buzz said "no it can't be, your my brother" and then zurg says "getting warmer" in a scary tone while charging up his gun

[@takatamiyagawa5688]

Been so long since I read UBW that I can't remember exactly how Archer's backstory was delivered to bridge the personality gap between him and his younger self.

[@JoKoBod]

The fact that they ruined Zerg just ruins my heart. Also, did they just retconned Zerg as a character? Because doesn't Toy Story 2, even if it's played as a joke, explained that Zerg is Buzz's father? Because why else would he and Buzz to be programmed to their fake life persona?

[@PancakemonsterFO4]

hopefully future buzz was just an imposter since he is old enough to had met the original and at least stole his likeness, if not outright worked with him for the sweet suit

[@bigforeheadman6786]

This movie feels less like the Movie Andy watched in 1995, and more like the reboot of the movie Andy watched that didn't understand what made the original good

[@seren5424]

Danny Phantom did this trope best in the ultimate enemy episode

[@ShinoriDelfrim]

Oh yeah- I remember that special

[@calebray1834]

And much better to.

[@IN-tm8mw]

oh yah, that one was awesome. the one where all his family died right?

[@Esgles]

@@IN-tm8mw yes

[@thecableguy8443]

As a Scottish countryman I regret to inform you good sir established titles is a scam it's run by a company based in either Hong Kong or Beijing if I remember correctly all your paying for Is a fake cirtificate saying you "own" a tiny price of land when in reality you just bought the equivalent of moon real estate I hate how my country is being exploited for the profit of scam artists i hope this reaches you well

[@games_on_phone89]

nothing to do with lightyear

[@ariadnefrolich7243]

@@games_on_phone89 It has to do with the videos sponsor.

[@games_on_phone89]

@@ariadnefrolich7243 ooooh

[@romukaro_del_flores]

Oh jeez that sounds beyond awful :( thank you for informing us , i hope others see this message as well so commenting in hopes of boosting it

[@99oildrops]

Yes, stay away from those everyone! Buying a square foot of land in a country most of you have probably never been to doesn't mean anything. It certainly doesn't make you a true Laird.

[@hydrolur3959]

One of my favorite parts was the opening where Buzz and his partner were tearing up, and it left me thinking "Oh snap, Pixar can do a Marvel level fight scene, that's sick, I can't wait for that!" ... y'see the joke is that that was the only Marvel level fight scene of the movie

[@cipher-one]

Honestly, while I do like the idea that Buzz has to face his evil future self who's the living embodiment of his negative traits come to life, I think it would have been better if they allowed him to be his own villain and let Zurg be his own villain for the sequel assuming that ever happens.

[@catloaff]

Haven't watched the movie but considering that the director previously directed mostly Toy Story shorts... yeah it should've been another short. It would've been a really really cool short

[@FireJach]

yep. One reviewer on RT said it should have been a short movie because the story doesn't require that amount of time. I watched it and it's 5/10 and I really barerly rate films that low

[@spritemon98]

That makes so much more sense....

[@Vertex_vortex]

When the villain time travels and meets with buzz they didn't care that timeline needs to work, like a time paradox

[@IN-tm8mw]

The villian realizes that time travel didn't create a paradox but an alternate history, which is why he want to do back and create a history where he's loved as a hero space ranger.

[@Vertex_vortex]

@@IN-tm8mwagreed, if the old buzz time travels to the past he will be old and probably died and then the new buzz fits in

[@IN-tm8mw]

@@Vertex_vortex I think the old Buzz is ok playing the villain because it makes the new buzz into the hero he always wanted to be. Sounds cool but it someone weakens his status as a true hero to me from the old school cartoons, as it feels like the hero/Villain dynamic just plays into Buzz's ego and vanity.

[@Vertex_vortex]

@@IN-tm8mw it would be weird 2 buzz in the past, and nobody would know that old buzz exists, if everyone knew old buzz exited and why he was their, he will look greedy and desperate to be with his original friends and her as well and that will be kinda dark

[@Justins-Playlist]

I thought the villain was going to be his dad because in toy story 2 they make this joke that Zerg is is his dad

[@mikalastseraph7894]

I can’t believe HOW much I agree with you. Watched the movie yesterday, and told my friends LITERALLY THE SAME THINGS, and today I watched your video. Good work!

[@nolastname]

The second Lego movie already had the same "tropes" (to avoid spoiler). It's not bad but it's already played out in many sci-fi tales.

[@willmungas8964]

FR I felt like this movie was the same stuff as Lego movie two and suffered from the same issues

[@PipeGuy64Bit]

I didn't like Lego Movie 2 so that just sounds fantastic...

[@ferminmarkpousada1455]

LEGO 2 did the plot twist better because it's part of Emmet's arc and the themes of the movie, and they also forshadowed it. Here, it feels unnatural and out of nowhere.

[@shawerful5209]

I think that lego movie 2 works because emmet already is someone emotionally instable, As it was show in the first movie. so him turning into a villain just because no one cared more about him, Kinda works

[@games_on_phone89]

@@ferminmarkpousada1455 in this movie it's also done for the sake of buzz' arc and the themes of the movie, so i don't see your argument here

[@Josh-Stream]

***Major Spoilers*** After the movie, My younger brothers and I debated better options for the story of Lightyear as a whole. My conclusion was that the movie had good elements, that if shifted slightly, would have made a much better movie. For example, instead of old Buzz finding a giant ship with an army of robots and a gigantic suit, Zurg isnt a suit at all, but simply the massive robot he is made out to be. Old Buzz still controls Zurg from the Zurg Ship, and the reveal of who Zurg is still works in a sense. Zurg isnt anyone, but a robot controlled by old Buzz. We had even discussed the idea of the Zurg Robot becoming sentient, à la the Omnidroid from Incredibles 1, and before the Zurg ship is blown up, old Buzz's last commands to the Zurg Bot is to "Destroy Buzz Lightyear," which is one of the major lines said by Zurg's toy counterpart upon his reveal in Toy Story 2. In this concept, Zurg is still the intimidating robot, but his mission as an independent machine bent on completing its now only objective, stopping Buzz, makes so much more sense to the lore of the character of Zurg. Side Tangent 1: I am confused on the concept of this movie, Lightyear, being the movie Andy sees in theaters, that prompts him to want a Buzz Lightyear action figure for his birthday. Specifically, in this movie, Zurg is future evil Buzz, which changes the cannon of the character of Zurg. Buzz presumably kills Zurg near the end of Lightyear, meaning Zurg is obviously deceased. In the opening of Toy Story 2, Buzz fights Zurg again in the form of the Buzz Lightyear Videogame, and Zurg later appears as a toy in that same movie. My question is, from Lightyear forward, which takes place before Toy Story 1, we as the viewers are to believe that any incarnation of Zurg in the Toy Story universe is a robot suit piloted by an evil future Buzz? Thats what Zurg is? Bizarre direction for the character. Side Tangent 2: I am definitely biased, but Booster, XR, and Mira are such a better team to me then Izzy, Taika Waititi's character, and convict grandma. I can only name Izzy, because her name was said out-loud the most. In conclusion, Lightyear was good, but needed work. Sarcastic Chorus has done the best job in terms of KZbinrs expressing my frustrations with Lightyear, how it was handled, and the ripple effects it has for the Toy Story Universe, and Disney as a whole.

[@JCTBomb]

I wish you were on the story board… But wait: it wasn’t about a good story; they don’t need to write a good story if they have a gay kiss scene that takes the headlines by storm. I’m getting sick of this “let’s check the boxes- oh wait, what’s that? We’re supposed to tell a compelling and emotional and thought provoking story that will inspire and motivate people to never give up on themselves and those who love them? Nah. Let’s just have the lesbians kiss for the kids.” This movie, and our culture right now, is manifesting the saying “don’t piss on me and tell me it’s rain.”

[@riadmohsen3228]

Quite a shame honestly. When I saw Zurg in the trailer, he intimidated me. He looked threateningly imposing and downright badass. But this is what they do to him.

[@daadepack1913]

established titles ad: “and this isnt a scam” yikes this aged like the worse milk

[@mr.critical5523]

The moment I learned that there was a time-travel element, the literal first thought I had was "Future Buzz is Zerg".

[@colinm4055]

I had the same thought, but quickly threw it out because I thought it would be a dumb twist. And it was.

[@SaturnSenshi3105]

It’s not even a twist anymore if it’s expected there will be a twist. It’s just lazy writing because it worked well in Frozen they slap the same formula in everything. Edit: obviously there has been twist villains since BCE. I mean that’s when the marketing team for Disney thought “OOOO the audiences liked that! Let’s do that for every movie!”

[@kyshim1247]

They had twist villains long before frozen and it wasn't even done well in frozen anyways

[@majesticmo5048]

Twist villains have been a thing before frozen. And even then, frozen has one of the worst twist villains

[@americanidiot41]

@@majesticmo5048 that was his mistake

[@OrionDawn15]

@@americanidiot41 That was his steak.

[@SaturnSenshi3105]

@@kyshim1247 I know but that’s when the marketing team saw it as a good way to make money. They’ve existed since BCE.

[@williamstark9568]

I confess that the fact this is a spin off has me hesitant. Disney made SO MANY live action remakes they put sequels, remakes and reboots on my "do not watch" list. Spin off seems dangerously close to encouraging Disney to be lazy. What if they get into a spin off craze too? Stop looking at me like that, Disney started it.

[@mainstreetsaint36]

Is no one going to talk about the fact that Sox was still super loyal to Buzz even being from an alternate universe?

[@PipeGuy64Bit]

>Refuses to acknowledge Buzz Lightyear of Star Command >Does a twist villain just like the Star Command movie did

[@J-Wolf17FTW]

Real talk: Buzz Lightyear of Star Command was pure unadulterated Saturday Morning Sci-Fi Kino.

[@Gabriel__Marques]

I though the movie was about Buzz entering a space program, because his father joined before went missing, which envolves a ship with the ability to go to "infinity and beyond", were he then lands on a alien planet where the space rangers exist and he learns to like them and joins them, while fighting an emperor with a knowledge of Earth in a funny and evil way.

[@pennyjpie]

I have a couple ideas. Probably fanfiction-y but they could work? I feel like I really like the idea of showing that people are ultimately morphed by their environment and the trauma they go through and that is what could lead to Buzz losing the good part of himself. But the thing is they didn’t really show enough of that to convey the lose Buzz was experiencing and how that effected him in the future. Also one of the biggest parts of Buzz’s character arc was that he was supposed to prefer working alone, except with Hawthorne. I wish that they had explored that better honestly because I could totally see this Buzz being so obsessed with his mistake that he would do anything to reverse it to save her. I think maybe what could have been interesting is if they had leaned into that idea of Buzz projecting his guilt onto the idea of saving Hawthorne and the colony at all costs, even at the cost of adjusting to their new life. That obsession leads to him isolating himself. So when in the future at the split point where Buzz makes it home and decides to fly to another galaxy to escape imprisonment by the new colony leader, if he already felt no connection to them, it would make more sense for him to run. So I propose that something happens to Hawthorne or the people in the colony he cared about to result in more of a reason for Buzz to push aside his internal struggle. Maybe Hawthorne asks him to stop traveling and to just live their life and he does. He stays for a couple months or a year or so and tries to build a connection with the people there but it’s tougher to now. But Hawthorne is getting old and getting ill. Or maybe the wildlife on the planet is adjust to the humans faster and faster and becoming more dangerous. And have him kind of process the guilt he feels about essentially stranding them on that planet. This is a stretch timeline wise, but I think having him meet Izzy as a child would have been awesome too but he’s so obsessed with “The Mission” which he’s changed from doing what’s best for the entire colony that he ironically misses out on the blooming new people of the colony. So he knows Hawthorne’s grand daughter exists, but he’s not really aware of her. To him, he’s only known Izzy for like five minutes and he’s constantly thinking of his next move to complete the mission because that’s all he thinks of when he’s around Hawthorne. Constantly trying again and again to achieve hyper-speed every 4 or so years means that the people in the colony barely know him. To the kids growing up, he’s like an urban legend. To the adults, he’s a lost cause, or maybe some of them even blame him for what’s happened. And everytime he comes back to the planet, less and less people remember him, and he knows less and less of the people who were originally there to begin with. I think he should have had the conversation with Hawthorne, who was clearly ill and passively jokes about how old she is now, but she’s in good spirits. She’s lived a full happy life but Buzz doesn’t want to accept that she’s old and could pass away, so he’s in denial and basically like “Nah you’re fine, you look the same as yesterday.” and implies he’s going to go to space again, but he’s also hesitant because part of him feels like if he leaves, it’ll be the last time he sees her again. And he’s like “What can I do to help?” And Hawthorne just says “Just come home.” Or something, you know Pixar tears and shit. And then she falls asleep or something, not dies. Buzz genuinely considers staying but at the last second decides that he has to try again, she’s not really going to pass away, right? But yeah, obviously she does. So when Buzz comes back and realizes she’s gone, this is where he begins to spiral into what creates Old Buzz. He’s already a stranger to most of the people in the colony now, and they see him as some weird guy who pops up every few years. So Buzz virtually doesn’t know anyone anymore, everyone he used to know is passed on. And the people left in the future see him as a threat. So what other choice does he have but to attempt to save the people of the past? If they present this in a way where it clearly shows that Buzz is hurt and alone, that can contribute to the guilt Old Buzz feels in failing all the people he cared about before. So when Buzz attempts the successful hyper speed run, he’s in a mental place of the sunk cost fallacy where he’s attempted save everyone so many times he’s at the point where it *has* to work. (I’m thinking like Homura from Madoka Magica) When he ends up alone in space, using the technology, it’s be cool to see him attempt to cope with the fact that he needs people and he’s miserable without them, but he honestly feels he had no other choice but to do whatever’s necessary to reverse his mistakes. Old Buzz doesn’t make sense because he’s too heartless, he needs to have depth. Honestly, his plan has a pretty good backing, it makes sense but the fact that all his compassion is gone doesn’t. I think it’d be more impactful if he held onto his compassion but painfully pushed it back for the sake of his end goals. And if Old Buzz were to meet Izzy for a moment, that could be awesome because in a way he would see how wrong he was about the whole thing, and that Buzz prime is right that Hawthorne did have a full life that he missed out on…but because of the sunk cost fallacy, he says something like “I made a promise to her, not you.” And continues to try to stop them. That could show a Buzz that’s going against his own moral compass out of the trauma he never got to process, that Prime Buzz is attempting to process by getting to know Hawthorne’s legacy. Idk I just think that if they had explored it more it really could have worked better, but you can tell they had a lot of pacing issues and clearly didn’t want make any of the good guys appear unlikeable for even a moment…which sucks because some of the best Pixar characters come from people who were assholes and backwards and learned to adjust their views. Having Buzz fight a version of himself who so easily turned out so different could have been awesome if they set him up to be more flawed than just a co-worker who refusing to call for back up when the check-out line gets long. It’s such a cool philosophical concept confronting yourself who had different experiences and seeing how differently they turned out. But they were too weak on it… Also they rushed the ending and clearly only wanted to set up a sequel. The Cat was the best character, I forgot his name though if that tells you something. Izzy was second best, I liked her scene of going into space with the Cat. I think Chris Evans did a pretty good job voice acting this role, I was convinced he could be Buzz. It was the writing for me that held him back though. Bonus: this is definitely fanfiction stuff but I have this cute character building idea where like: Izzy recalls one of Hawthorne’s last conversations with her before she passed on and she mentions that she has a friend who’s always looking out for her and he’ll look out for Izzy to. And Izzy askes if it’s that Buzz guy and where will she find him. So Hawthorne tells her to “Look out into the stars and you’ll see him. He should be due back anyday now.” But this was the time when Buzz left for 20 years, so Izzy looks out into the stars almost every night and he never come back. It’s to the point where Izzy wonders if he even really existed because she only met him once when she was very young. And like maybe one night, adult Izzy looks out to the stars almost with this kind of hope like “please appear”- and instead of Buzz, it’s Zerg’s space ship. (So technically Buzz did appear like Hawthorne said but like Izzy doesn’t know that twist. ) But this day is what truly segments Izzy’s ideas to want to fight for herself instead of holding onto the past. And it can be a good compare and contrast to Izzy’s view on life vs Buzz, who has yet to process the loss of his good friend. Ok I’m done now.

[@spamemailgmail1335]

These are such awesome ideas!!

[@TheRibottoStudios]

I haven't even seen the movie and the moment you said "Zurg is just Buzz from the future." I went "what in the actual F-" cause even per his characterization as a toy that just doesn't even make any sense. I would never buy that cause per what I've seen in the trailer, per his personality, IT. DOES. NOT. MAKE. SENSE. Thanks I hate it.

[@virginiafernandez6846]

Totally. We all know he's his father.

[@TheRibottoStudios]

@@virginiafernandez6846 I don't think that's CANON CANON they were just poking fun at Star Wars. Right?

[@ShinoriDelfrim]

@@TheRibottoStudios Honestly I wonder if it was just a joke in the movie or not guess it depends on how you want to view it 😅

[@TheRibottoStudios]

@@ShinoriDelfrim I quite like that it's that it's up to the audience to wonder "wait.... they serious?" 😂

[@justafidemyself]

You seem angry. It's a Pixar movie. Touch some grass. It's okay. Relax.

[@mr.outlaw231]

Okay, (SPOILER) question: Why was Zurg attacking Buzz if Zurg is future Buzz? Is Zurg trying to create a paradox? If Zurg killed Buzz, Zurg wouldn't exist as the past Zurg, Buzz, is dead before he can become Zurg. Even if this is a multiverse scenario, wouldn't Zurg try convincing Buzz first before enacting any part of his plan?

[@ShinoriDelfrim]

You are asking the right questions here

[@willmungas8964]

I think this version of time travel cuts you off from the the universe with your past/future. Zurg could kill buzz but it would be like an alternate version of his past self, not his actual past self.

[@willmungas8964]

Exactly the same, but not linked to him in a way that would cause the paradox

[@conniefan123]

@@willmungas8964 exactly

[@luluzin5022]

@@willmungas8964 It still takes a lot of apathy to try to kill a past/AU version of yourself. It's hard to think that Buzz would ever reach that state of mind.

[@mattdamutt5681]

Zurg: Buzz, I am your father... Buzz: What-- Zurg: [ *Punches Buzz* ] Psyke! Made you look!

[@richborn6700]

Casting Chris Evans just confirmed they wanted Buzz to be as much like Captain America as possible

[@xavierjohnson2321]

Wait, didn't Toy Story 2 have a 'Luke/No, I am your father.' line when the got the real Buzz back to go save Woody from Al?

[@mainstreetsaint36]

Yeah, that was a Star Wars joke. Even in the Star Command series, Zurg and Buzz are not related.

[@xavierjohnson2321]

@@mainstreetsaint36 Even then, I still bring it up due to the fact that It'll make MORE sense then having them be the same person without giving any sort of a hint that they're the same.

[@andrewgreeb916]

@@mainstreetsaint36 didn't stop zurg from using that line to escape defeat. He did say sike though

[@mainstreetsaint36]

@@andrewgreeb916 Nope, he said "That's my boy! Go long!"

[@mainstreetsaint36]

@@xavierjohnson2321 Buzz isn't an engineer. He's a space ranger. He had to have taken the ship and robots from someone. Maybe someone named, Zurg?

[@draconiccupcake]

Toy Story 2: Zurg is Buzz’s father Lightyear: Zurg is Buzz from the future In order for these to both be canon, Buzz is his own father

[@D4mnh11w.08]

I like how when buzz sees his future self for the first time he says “Dad?” But it turns out not to be, I feel like they did that to make us mad?

[@Green_Justice5389]

If it was his father's mind trapped in a robot body, desperately trying to find a way to restore his old one by using time travel, it could have worked better.

[@rabnerd28]

"Zurg is Buzz from the future." ...This literally contradicts the lore! Zurg is his dad! The continuity errors-!!!

[@Kaboomboo]

@Kinoir Okay that implies Buzz effed his own mother. Ewww! 😑

[@Brindlebrother]

@@Kaboomboo I mean, it's possible that Buzz is the father, mother, and son. Predestination did it.

[@blu3blx866]

@@Kaboomboo I mean, 0.1 percent is a probability...

[@toadstein]

It's not lore tho. Even the Star Command show doesn't make him his father. Because that entire line in Toy Story 2 is just a Star Wars joke and nothing more. It wasn't meant to be actual lore and nothing more then a joke. Even the writers of Star Command knew that so they retconned it too.

[@apiocosmico833]

@@toadstein Explain how a Zurg toy -that never left the toy store- knows about the star wars lore.

[@BrazarB]

Zurg is/was one of my favorite villains as a kid, design was sick, had charm & the joke about Zurg being Buzz's father was cool & a great callback to Darth Vader, (Zurg is my biggest highlight from BLoSC & probably from TS2) but what they did to him in this movie is very disappointing, design isn't my cup of tea (looks more robotic than maybe a cyborg), he lost his cool cape, & they made him Buzz from the future. I would've liked it if they made him his own character, there's theory's that there is a real Zurg & that's where old Buzz got all his shit from & that they made a deal, idk, only time will tell

[@jmpm-tz1so]

Imagine if during lightyear people never refered as "buzz" but "lightyear" and at the end of the movie "lightyear" becomes zurg and at the very end they show a mother with his kid and the kid asks where is his dad and his mother says something like "he is in a very important mission Buzz, he is doing it to protect us". So we didnt got a Buzz lightyear movie but the story origin of how buzz's dad becomes zurg

[@matityaloran9157]

0:28, what I appreciate about the Lightyear remake is that it got people talking about Buzz Lightyear of Star Command

[@Austroid]

Zurg was always one of my favorite Toy Story characters. After hearing this reveal... Pixar was better off [finally] acknowledging the Star Command show, not having this movie be the Buzz toy's inspiration and just be a reimagining or whatever. Why would Buzz constantly be fighting and defending the galaxy from himself??

[@jamie1602]

Star Command was an amazing show. Sure there were weird segments... But we largely remember the awesome parts cause we had short attention spans.

[@abstract5249]

@@jamie1602 If it requires a short attention span to enjoy, then was it really a great show? To me a great show is something you think about long after it's over.

[@battybuddy]

I’d say it’s more Toy Story is past it’s prime instead of Pixar. I mean, TS 1-3 was perfection, and it kind of got undone by 4. And yes, I don’t get if they weren’t doing Tim Allen, why they didn’t get Patrick Warburton back, instead of mixing it up by having different actors for each version.

[@conniefan123]

I still believe toy story didn't get undone by 4, i thought it was gonna be like that pre release but it ended up being the best of the series yet

[@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470]

@@conniefan123 Best of the series???? Hahaha funny joke!!!! What are you on? I would really like to try some of it because it must be hard stuff!

[@conniefan123]

@@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470 nostalgia boner detected

[@vilelilman4252]

I thought Zurg was going to be the guy that replaced his partner in command for a brief moment. I mean, he was rude. Was gonna have the cat shut down. Wanted Buzz arrested. The suits were looking like Zurg bots. And no one had "seen him since the robots attacked"-

[@felipeborquez6370]

Zurg in Toy Story 2: no Buzz, I am your father Zurg in Lightyear: jk I'm you but from an alternative future

[@geardog24]

Maybe if they added more aliens and less time travel...🤔

[@electrobob992]

What annoyed me too was the fact they inserted this movie inside the original movies. Specifically, that this movie was added in the original movies timeline as coming out BEFORE the toy was made in Toy Story.. With the tv series coming out AFTER that.. Which I find unbelievable especially with some aspects of this movie that would not have been as acceptable in the timeline with andy as a kid, you know those aspects.

[@gvue4396]

They should have said bc the first crystal was unstable, it split buzz into two time lines, one went back first. They tried to arrest him and he ran, then a few years later, the real him arrived back. So many loop holes in the movie.

[@igoldenknight2169]

Old man Buzz somehow felt more like his dad.

[@pacoramon9468]

The Toy Box of Toy Story already mentions an Evil Emperor Zurg that doesn't exist in this movie. The "Andy watched this movie in 1995is a very bad lie to sell more tickets.

[@ronjoe17]

Completely agree with all of these points 100%, this movie is pretty much the definition of mid and after coming home from the theatre, I had way more fun rewatching the Star Command movie than I did watching Lightyear

[@andrewaftontheandroidhedge2780]

10:43 the robots here just remind me of the ball throwing sniper joes from megaman that i call armored joes