The Black Mamba Vs Humungus A fly fishing battle of the giants!

[@eddieahara6605]

Your a bad man, what's in a name! Shuggies/Hummies, small Humongous patterns, have to be my lure during the year in both black or white. Early season grizzle cat again if I'm fishing lure. Dial Backs most of the year.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Eddie, I know couldn't help myself, the devil made me do it!

[@buckmarkboysporting3539]

Great idea, brilliant fun video. My go to fly at the moment is a Coral Booby fished on the point ! I was at Albury on Sunday and had a cracking day!

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Its a great fishery and always a pleasure to be there.

[@andrewdavid3716]

tied this Black Mamba earlier this year and blanked at Albury....... tried again 2 weeks (Sept) at Albury and had take after take: excellent . Thanks for the video Lindsay - eat your heart out!

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Must get back up to Albury over the Winter cracking venue.

[@RhysFishes]

Great idea lindsay. How about two out and out stocky bashing patterns? The blue flash damsel Vs the original chenille Cats Whisker!

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Great idea!! Might have a go at that, my money is on the Cat though ;-)

[@buckmarkboysporting3539]

I do love a blue flash damsel 😉

[@apri1fool240]

nice one dad

[@lindsayiflyfish]

👐

[@buskiller40]

hi Lindsay Just to let you know the Humugus was first tyed by a friend of mine from the Lochgelly fly fishing club many many moons ago. I was first given it to me by my name sake dusty miller and mister loch Leven fisher supreme Mr. Chalmers . I was only a wee laddie at the time but do indeed remember the days of hi d lines and big old fly's for them hard fighting loch Leven brownies ,had a lot over the years and it is safe to say that the good old days of hard fighting brownies is well on its way back at Loch Leven , Interesting video my friend I do like the humungus over many newer patterns ,for me it is the go to fly when times are getting hard ,anyways take care and have fun always

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Glad you enjoyed it buddy, the Humungus is a firm favourite of mine. It does seem to pick up fish when the going gets tough.

[@keithhatfield6042]

Thanks for the videos, informative and entertaining for a septuagenarian who can’t get out as much as he would like. Just one point- it’s a particular bugbear of mine- if you are fishing into the wind, you are on the lee shore. On the windward shire, the wind is at your back!

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Good point! I stand corrected sir.

[@derickhannant9253]

As a fellow Scot Lindsay I do hope that you didn’t lose that penny in the long grass 🤣. Great video & humour. Tight lines. Derick.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

I like to have a laugh pal.

[@Check-Your-Fly]

The devil made me do it! Ha! I saw Garths video for the black mamba and thought to myself it's just a black zonker fly with some peacock green glister! What's the big deal Garth! Your black mamba zonker is just a zonker! The humongous or shuggy fly is one the the first flies I learned to tie and I have more confidence in as a fish catcher. Perhaps the Mamba police figured out that it's really just a zonker after all! 😎😎

[@lindsayiflyfish]

😂😂😂

[@fliesbychris]

It's definitely a confidence thing Lindsay, if I'm at a fishery then it'll be my foam beetle that'll catch but on a loch or lochan it's always the Kate McLaren I cannot emphasize how effective a Kate McLaren can be on a team of 3 or just as a single. Great vid Lindsay!! Keep em coming ATB Chris.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Cheers Chris, confidence is the key to success for sure.

[@neilandrew961]

Good video again sir as you say its confidence in flys you fish have done some black mamba flys still to catch a fish on it tied some for friends aswell they haven't caught on it either but caught on the shuggie

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Thanks for watching Neil, confidence can make a huge difference.

[@neilandrew961]

@@lindsayiflyfish definitely we do all these flys and we always end up back to the old faithful ones that catch us fish keep videos coming enjoy watching your self and other guys learning a lot about fishing smaller waters from you all still relatively new to this type of fishing so much to learn

[@lindsayiflyfish]

@@neilandrew961 Its great fun and always good to keep learning regardless of where you are on the road.

[@rhyspercey3880]

Great idea, I actually tried the same thing and had the same result. I’m not sure if it is the water I fish or something but the fish don’t want to take the black mamba confidently for me.I have been starting to get into dry fly fishing on the small still waters recently, it would be interesting if you could do a vid on klinkhammer vs yellow owl?

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Will certainly keep it in mind Rhys.

[@crs1321]

2 x Half hour fly battles are a great new idea Lindsay. My money would have been on the Shuggie in this battle but as you say its a confidence thing. The more confidence you have to more you concentrate on your casting/retrieve etc therefore the more you catch. Thanks for the tips. 🎣👏👍

[@lindsayiflyfish]

You are welcome pal, thanks for watching.

[@Loyalist-ul6qm]

This Gareths black mamba is a zonker it's been around Scotland since the 80s.

[@flickingfeathers]

When folk talk about the black mamba I have to point out that fly was going around Ayrshire in the early 90s except it was a litebrite body and hand painted bead because glister wasn't out yet and you had to paint your own beds at the time- I doubt most folk could tell the difference between the dressings. The Shuggie is probably a more consistent fish catcher, but as you say Lindsay confidence is a big part of things. It catches plenty because it's on the leader often. Cheers

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Martin, there is seldom anything new in fly tying, only new materials.

[@flickingfeathers]

@@lindsayiflyfish absolutely

[@FlyTyer1948]

If you look at the title of this video out of context & not knowing about fly fishing, it sounds like an animated monster movie! =} Give my prejudices against zonker style flies, I’m not at all surprised by the outcome of your test. Unless the zonker fur strip used is very thin, soft & supple, I don’t feel it can produce the fish-like action of marabou, streamer hackle orfur not attached to the hide. You do make a great point about a fly’s effectiveness being related to the fly fishers confidence in it, & I admit that my lack of success with zonkers may be the cause of my failures. Thanks for posting this test. It’s a great idea, & I hope you will do more. Be well & tight lines. - Bob

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Bob, it was a bit tongue in cheek pal but seems to be quite popular. It may well be that I need another angler to help out or at least someone to help with filming.

[@paulrogers7321]

I find that humongous an excellent searching pattern on anything from a floating line to a Di 7 or 8 . I tie them in many colours and sizes. Black and silver or gold and,white and silver or gold work really well. The sizes vary from a size 10 to tandem of around 3 or 4 inches in length. All work very well. Tight lines.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Paul, I am the same I even have them as articulated patterns.

[@paulrogers7321]

@@lindsayiflyfish hi, they work well in early season and the back end. Especially for large brownies deep down and fry feeders. I have experimented with humongous tied as snakes. Mini as 2 inch single hook, 3 and 4 inch as tandem hooks rigs. They worked very well at Clywedog when fished deep and slow. You need the extra hook as big brownies seem to attack the head end. Tight lines..

[@lindsayiflyfish]

@@paulrogers7321 I like that idea will give it a go.

[@paulrogers7321]

@@lindsayiflyfish tie them as snakes black and Silver with a couple of strands of long silver flash added, gives it a little extra attraction. You can also substitute the chain eyes with booby eyes. Fish on a fast sinking line ,short strong leader, slow mixed retrieve. I understand that they have worked well when fishing Irish loughs.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

@@paulrogers7321 Will get a few sorted out.

[@robertalp3878]

Tramp on chips-love it! 😂😂😂

[@lindsayiflyfish]

It's a Scottish thing pal.

[@UkFlyFisher]

Thank you for the mention. Some friendly advice, try to get the takes in the video. Every modern camera is more than capable of recording in 30-minute segments. If you aren't moving up and down the bank, there's no reason not to get the takes and will make for a more interesting video. I would also recommend trying my version and am happy to send you some. As I have tested the slight variations and spent time getting the perfect fly. I know it may not seem like it, but changing it often reduces its catch rate. Keep up the good work and hopefully see you on the bank one day.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Hi Gareth, thanks for taking the time to watch the video and for the pointers. I know you make your own videos so you can appreciate how difficult planning, directing, presenting and filming can be when you are on your own. I would be more than happy to take up your offer of some original Black Mamba flies and give them a go. Thats very kind of you to offer, I do hope we get the chance to meet up at some point.

[@UkFlyFisher]

@@lindsayiflyfish No problem at all, always willing to help. I will find you on Facebook and grab your address and send some flies your way. All the best. Gareth

[@lindsayiflyfish]

@@UkFlyFisher you are a gentleman.

[@colmmurray4739]

Great video Lindsay, I'm sure you'll ruffle a few feathers with this one lol.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Glad you enjoyed it Colm.

[@jamiepicken1938]

Great video as usual Lyndsay and yes it’s all about confidence.. That said, your bite rate improved dramatically in the comments section pal 😉..

[@lindsayiflyfish]

lol.......So true!

[@robertvivian8100]

Lindsey what a good funny video just a shame not everyone could see the fun behind it;not everyone wants to see Top Angeles casting to the moon with 3 or 4 Flies and yanking fish after fish in (pretty boring) you keep the videos coming i will carry on watching them right lines buddy

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Thanks Robert, I will certainly try.

[@user-bo4ly7xp8o]

Great video! Amazing editing, love it. Sending love from russia :)

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Большое спасибо, мой друг. Узкие линии

[@downatdinos]

Have to agree with Martyn White Lindsay. The Black mamba has been about for most of my fishing life and I'm getting on a bit now. As you say confidence is everything. I'm so confident if you PM me I will send you a pattern that will out fish both of the above.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

I surely would PM you pal if I knew how? I am on Facebook if you want to drop me a line.

[@brianr9529]

What is that fly called?

[@lindsayiflyfish]

@@brianr9529 Which one Brian?

[@brianr9529]

@@lindsayiflyfish I meant the chap who has one which out fishes those two.

[@Loyalist-ul6qm]

My confidence fly is the black beauty always catches me fish where ever I go. Sssh.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

It’s all about confidence 👍

[@stevethistle7974]

I liked the stripping basket hack, nice work

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Glad you liked it Steve.

[@stansuddick3518]

Black member don’t you mean Zonker.?

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Black Member! Its not that kind of channel Stan....lol.

[@sofi_ko_universe]

🎣❤

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Thanks buddy.

[@StyTru]

I think the main message in this video is correct however the information is not correct. It is not a black mamba so isn't a true reflection. It's a zonka veriant. I'm no expert at all so its just my opinion and we all now what opinions are good for lol. I was blown away by the results on the mamba and I prefer naturals. I tied the mamba with very slight variations and didn't produce the same results as the original, so I now belive there is something in these slight differences. But then each fly has its day no matter which one it is. For some reason the mamba catches alot of spastics, tigers and browns, try and explain that one because I have no clue.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Thanks Tim, I am glad the point came across. I have been fishing a long time though and what I am completely convinced of is that depth, profile and speed or retrieve are much more important than the pattern itself.

[@StyTru]

Totally agree. Would be good to see you down here in the Midlands. Some great fisheries.

[@dean529]

You seem to have ruffled a few feathers again. You put the 'Black Mamba' against a fly that many top internationals believe is the best lure ever created. I mean they are complaining that the 'Black Mamba' wasn't tied right... the Shuggie has well over 1000 variations with every fly tier trying to convince you that their variation is the best. I've said it in the past that the 'Black Mamba' has its targeting points all wrong and was such a tail nipper that it has went into the fly box where flies to to die. Don't listen to some of the criticism about the takes or production either. You offer something different - akin to talking to an old head on your way around the water fishing. If I wanted to see high quality production and a lot of fish getting taken then there is Rhys and Tim for that. You offer stories and knowledge that a lot of people don't - so don't change. I watch your fly tying videos just to hear the stories despite the fact I already know how to tie the fly.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Dean, thats very kind of you to say. I am an old war horse pal and its water of a ducks back. You know what they say you can't please all the people all of the time. I generally just try and please myself and if folks like it great if not thats no problem either.

[@lwilliamson9216]

Well it's not a fair video considering that's not a an actual black mamba🤣 that would just ba a black zonker as it looks very different 🤦‍♂️

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Agreed but would the results have been any different? The point of the video is not one pattern Vs another. What I was trying to convey is the importance of confidence in a pattern. As well as having a bit of fun with it.

[@lwilliamson9216]

@@lindsayiflyfish honestly I believe it would, I've tried and tested both flys and I have to say the mamba has come out on top a few times. I would be very interested in seeing a thorough experiment to see the reactions from the fish between the two flys 👍

[@lindsayiflyfish]

@@lwilliamson9216 Perhaps we can meet up at a neutral venue and maybe put that to the test?

[@Salmonaddicts]

The fly the fish want lol

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Thats a great title, wish I had though of it.

[@GarethWilson2k9]

Brought 3 fish to the net? Yet you show one coming to net on the humungous and 1 on white fly? Not one take on video? I have to say this channel is getting worse. Why dont you ask Gareth to send you an original black mamba so you can actually do what you are claiming to do? Seems to me, you saw his video got big viewing numbers so just chucked it in to get views....

[@lindsayiflyfish]

John, Jog on pal, if you can't see this for the tongue in cheek nonsense it is you need to go and watch something that makes you smile. Would you have felt the same if the Black Mamba had come out on top? Have a good day.

[@GarethWilson2k9]

I watch channels to get advise and see fish being caught. There is none of that in this video. In fact you catch less and less with every video.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Fair enough if you are not enjoying it please go elsewhere. I do these videos on my own because I enjoy it. If all you want to see is fish coming to the net constantly I could do that. I think it’s kinda boring though. If my explanation of what I am doing is not clear then that’s on me. Good luck with your fly fishing journey.

[@GarethWilson2k9]

Doesn't have to be constant. If this video was 1 - 0 to the humungous, but you had the take and landing on camera, it would have been a much better video. I think you can't handle criticism. If you listened your channel would improve. Just my opinion and you dont have to accept it, but maybe ask some close friends because everyone I fish with wants to see the take.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

@@GarethWilson2k9 Fair enough, I do listen to my audience and many have asked that I show what I am doing and that was much more interesting than catching fish. I am not in the habit of making up stories about how many fish I have caught. I have nothing to prove, I did all that years ago. Now I want to help anglers by sharing that experience but I also want to have a bit of fun with it. If it's not your bag or you think I am making it up don't watch its no problem. There are lots of great content providers out there and I am sure they would appreciate your support.