Youngblood #10 - Atop the Fourth Wall

Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this episode, Linkara looks at the final issue of the first volume of Youngblood!
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Originally released February 19th, 2018.
ORIGINAL INFO: I'm ready for the next generation of heroes to retire, please.

[@BoulderPunchPodcast1]

You know something? Despite how awful Chapel's suicide was, I think it would have been kinda funny if his plan *didn't* work. The Devil doesn't want to bring him back. Chapel:I want to live again! Devil: Well you should have thought about that before shooting yourself. Chapel: But.. But, you brought Spawn back! Devil: Yeah, because it's a form of torture for him, he even told you yourself dumbass, you *want* to be brought back. Chapel: Oh... I did not think this through. Devil: By the way, everyone here gets a personal Hell for all eternity, here's yours. *Door opens to reveal a flowery meadow full of dancing, singing animals, sucking Chapel in. Chapel: NOOO!

[@redkingrauri3769]

Y'know, this is incredibly morbid of me, but as an artist when I look at the page of Chapel's suicide I wind up going "This is so horribly drawn". The gun he uses is supposed to be a laser pistol but somehow it doesn't affect the side of his head he actually shot, it removes the skin on the opposite side and it acts like a standard bullet more than anything. I haven't the need or desire to draw a realistic suicide especially like that, but just looking at it I couldn't help but ask so many questions about the logistics of it. I don't think it's as bad as Linkara described it, but it's so horribly drawn and the subject of it all is just so terrible. It'd say it's a final nail in the coffin but at this point they've been using railway spikes and a delivery truck from Home Depot just arrived.

[@BoulderPunchPodcast1]

VauschthePuca oh yeah it's one of the most horrendously drawn pages from Rob Liefeld, I love drawing my own superheroes on a daily basis and I could never draw anything like what he did. I hope my talent is at least slightly above that of Liefeld's

[@Rendo86]

Or.. . He gets talk to devil for eternrty but sadly is in need of a heater

[@chicostephenson]

that would have been truly hilarious

[@carlrood4457]

That would have been actual good writing and an entertaining twist. Leifeld wouldn't think of that in 10 lifetimes.

[@phillipschmidt6295]

As someone who survived the 80's and 90's while I watched most of my friends die. Thank you for speaking to the real history of AIDS and how obnoxiously inappropriately it is handled in this comic.

[@jadenbryant9283]

sorry that yur friends died Philip they probably didnt deserve that

[@thunderwolf2005]

"The pain killers wore off. My Spine!!!" that bit killed me, I think it might be my new favorite gag of Linkara's. certainly in the top 10.

[@daelen.cclark]

Agreed! (Now I await the another top 10 funniest jokes of AT4W list.)

[@Garland41]

"The coming of a great darkness!" HOW CAN YOU TELL, YOU DON'T HAVE EYES?!

[@patrickburrows9775]

I really like how you typed that. =D

[@PaceBreaker]

Apparently it had already come then.

[@Nintendon85]

In the last shot, she had them. So, I guess only psychic powers are capable of defeating Youngblood's Disease.

[@bluespaceman7937]

Indeed.

[@TheHeroOfTomorrow]

To be fair, she is psychic, so...

[@Iamafishproductions]

So Chapel is a generic, completely unremarkable one-note character whose only defining trait is being obsessed with killing and a ridiculous outfit. Then because of some vaguely tragic backstory that tastelessly throws in serious subjects just for the sake of shock and convenience, he goes insane and murders a bunch of people for the sole purpose of attracting the attention of a much better known, much better written, and much more interesting established character, all so that he can end up turning himself into an unkillable spoopy demon creature via the exact same method that the first guy used in his origin story, except this time without a trace of significance or weight to it because all he cares about is becoming cool like the other guy is. Chapel is literally just one of those fan-created Creepypasta OCs who fall in love with Jeff the Killer or Slenderman. I mean, the comparison is beat-for-beat exactly the same template. All it would need is for his name to become Chapel the Killer, the agency injecting him with 'experimental mental drugs,' and all the hobos being given names of the girls who made fun of Rob at school. Damn is this stuff creatively bankrupt...

[@calumbishop7082]

Iamafishproductions Is Say what you want about Spawn he is at least an original character Other than the grey one and the troll guy (who I only remember due to the Conbine Harvester freakout with issue 8) I don’t know who any of these guys are.

[@macedip6737]

The best creepy pasta "OC"s are the 1's that don't try to be proxys.Even self inserts can be better because they have chariter even they are the protagonist! Calum Bishop

[@davidspring4003]

That's not fair. Jane the Killer is MUCH better written than Chapel!

[@SiRenfield]

Well not completely true, you skip the part where they completely romanticize mental illness when in reality they barely skimmed WebMd and being written by edgy 14 year old we need extra Weeb points LOL

[@Dreigonix]

OH MY GOD IT ALL MAKES SENSE SOMEBODY GET HOODOHOODLUMSREVENGE ON THIS

[@dragonstormx]

Is it also sad that Spawn comes off as the only likable character in all of this? His own comics established that he was not a good person while he was alive, he went to hell for a reason and all. Yet he is the only character in this issue that seems to be concerned about whether or not innocent people live or die.

[@christiancrusader9374]

dragonstormx wait, i thought al was just trying to protect his country when he was alive.

[@christiancrusader9374]

Mullerornis so is it safe to say he's usually a likable antihero?

[@DasNordlicht91]

It's really something when a character from another book who is normally not a likable good guy is made to look good in comparison to the actual heroes of this book.

[@shadowspider9]

It's part of the point of Spawn that he slowly learns to appreciate life after his is ripped away from him? Though considering how early in Spawn's carrier this is ya, he likely should be a bit more uncaring.

[@kainhighwind2]

He was probably spurred on by the thought process of "Wait, someone WANTS to go through all of this?!"

[@aderose]

I think Chapel worked in the Spawn cartoon, mainly cause 1. Better writers. And 2. Rather then making Chapel an uncaring antihero, they turned him into a psychopathic mercenary, who actually had ptsd and felt guilty for Killing Al Simmons whom he though of a brother,

[@vwin9112]

And third…make Chapel more or less goaded Al into killing him intstead be like “LOL, in going to end my own life because satan powers” like seriously even if spawn didn’t kill chapel like in the cartoons, it’s clear it could create a symbolic book end

[@tylersteph1996]

Which was then rendered pointless when Todd McFarland had to retcon Al’s origin by having Priest kill him instead of Chapel when Liefeld didn’t let him use Chapel for the movie. Least in the cartoon they got rid of all the stupid extra equipment and just kept the face paint.

[@michaelmills8205]

The scary thing, is that there is a half-decent idea for a story arc in the Chapel mess, you just to pace it right and build it up and allow him to show emotions. Start with him as a meathead macho-tough guy, and show him being a womanized. Establish a character for him. Once he is established, have him get a cold or something, maybe get shot, and when he goes to the doctor, he gets his diagnosis. Then show him react to it and with how his behaviour has put so many more people in danger and have him grow and change as a result. It could also significant effect his relationship with the rest of the team, giving a competent writer a chance to explore their characters as well. At this point, evil boss dude can force him to do something horrible (maybe betray the team) and reveal the stuff about it being a "controlled virus" used to manipulate Chapel and use that a catalyst for a heel turn. Instead of focusing on how best to use his remaining time of earth, he can become obsessed with revenge and fall back into previous, now unambiguously bad behaviours. The final confrontation with Spawn would make some kind of sense after this, as the character would have been built up to a point were dying to gain enough power for revenge would match character motivations, and previous issues and character development would have dealt with actual serious and important issues that still surround HIV & AIDS. Of course, that would have never happened, as Liefeld isn't a competent writer and would much spend his time drawing muscles and guns.

[@taekinuru2]

Canada? Oh no. X-Men comics have taught me that Canada is a desolate wasteland where Mad Max style mercenary gangs do battle against the government, everyone is hairy. and death comes easily. It’s the most 90s comics place in all comics’ Earths.

[@aaa1e2r3]

Nah, that's just Alberta

[@lkotro21]

Nostalgia Critic taught me that Canada has worst wedding reception ever, no OSHA in some places but have the cutest mini hippos ever!

[@wdcain1]

Canada also runs secret death camps. Seriously, the X-Men Neverland Death Camp storyline horrified me as a kid.

[@DasNordlicht91]

Nowadays, they're space police working with Captain Marvel for some reason. At least they're in the spotlight, I guess?

[@bluespaceman7937]

Alpha Flight is cool. Canadians should be proud.

[@Grim_Sister]

-The only good thing that came from Liefield is Deadpool. And even that wasn't entirely his doing. -If we discover Liefeld IS using Heman as a model, it would have explained so much. - After hearing what you had to say about Chapel and his tasteless death, I feel like you should review the Deadpool comics "Don't Jump", where Wade helps a suicidal girl get help. It's a very sweet piece and I love it. Highly recommended

[@jonathanwright8025]

Even though Linkara didn't go into it well, I agree with him her about the "sexy" way the female characters are drawn. I don't have a problem with gratuitous fanservice, in fact, I buy alot of comics just for that reason, but the way Silence is shown here - completely absurd poses and anatomically impossible spine is just terrible. The fact that she is barely wearing anything, for no other reason than for fan service, is also a turn off. This isn't sexy, it is just gross. I'd say it is an insult to her character, but these Youngblood characters are so generic, she is hardly a character at all. I like fanservie best when I can appreciate the sexiness of the character whilst simultaneously appreciating them as, well, characters. I hope Linkara sees this.

[@battlion507]

I think you might like Adam Warren's "Empowered" graphic novels. (A good example of fanservice).

[@jonathanwright8025]

The DC Bombshells are good at balancing fanservice with story and character.

[@daelen.cclark]

I agree with you fully. Also, I find that if you’re gonna have women in comics show fan-service, why not show all kinds of attractions, or even just show that same kinda fan-service on men for a change.

[@mycontentcreation5264]

I agree as well I think a good female character is black cat she has really cool and unappreciated design. When artist draw we see a bit of chest area it’s not really focus or shown munch (depending on the artist and writers). And I like her because of her cool design and chance to tell a good story like her origin. I like her not just because of fan service and when I see artists draw her just because of that I kind of get annoyed. Because that’s all they care about is how she looks not that she’s a good character.

[@lewrl1]

Thanks for the content warning. Knowing it was coming helped a lot. Also I feel like the older Linkara gets, the more funny 90s dude gets.

[@RokuroCarisu]

DUUUUUUUUUUDE!

[@mitchfletcher2386]

@@RokuroCarisu EPIIIIIIIC!!!

[@swivelboiiguess6422]

@@RokuroCarisu SEWING MACHINE

[@cm9231]

Hope you're OK friend ❤️

[@calemr]

I'm going to put this out there: This wasn't suicide. Suicide means something far more than this. He wasn't permanently ending his life. Consequences are... kind of the point of what's so bad about Suicide. It's like if Deadpool shot himself. He gets back up. Done. It's still SUPER fucking tasteless and messed up. It shouldn't be in the story. But if there's a way to undo it, and it's something you're intending to do... It's self harm. Still terrible. Still terribly handled. But not suicide. Just because it'd be lethal NORMALLY, doesn't mean it is this time. It's not suicide when Superman blocks a bullet with his body, it's not suicide when Wolverine does it, and it's not suicide here. And maybe if they'd said that, in the comic, in more detail, it wouldn't have been so bad. But people treated it like it was a suicide. The writer probably intended it to be treated as one. And that makes it so much worse.

[@dylanreed1997]

Wait a second... a villain killed by arrows, violence for violence's sake, the "new kind of heroes", the tone-deaf heroes.... THIS IS CRY FOR JUSTICE ISSUE #0!

[@BoulderPunchPodcast1]

So... A comic can depict a person committing suicide in gross, gorey and specific detail... But saying "ass" or "fuck" is completely out of the question...? Maybe we need to rethink what should and shouldn't be censored, of course that would mean this whole comic would have to be blurred out but in all honesty that would be an improvement

[@TheSpawnfan]

Like the music from Kung Fu Rainbow Lazer Force (GTA V) says: "Sex is bad, violence is good"

[@demi-fiendoftime3825]

Red Lantern Reviews Most censors are highered highly conservite Christians from middle America so violence is ok but sex is a no no. Serously America and our media would be very difrent if instead of Fornication it was on the ten commandments Thoug Shall not Celebrate Vilonce and Gore -_- dam Protestants there was a reason nobody in Europe liked the Pilgrims it was Becuse they were overly riligous nut cases and yet we still cary their your going to hell attitude about sex in modern society!

[@thunderwolf2005]

I've had so many debates with people about comics and censorship over the years I feel like I could write a book on the subject. I still find some of the choices for what to censor and what not to censor to be absolutely bizarre, like you say the decision in this book to censor "ass" and "fuck" but show a graphic depiction of suicide I mean....it'd be laughable if it wasn't so offensive. what's even more crazy is that despite the fact that this book was released all the way back in 94, these backwards ideas about censorship still exist today, even with the major publishers. its less protecting more innocent minds, and more treating the readers like absolute morons. I don't get it.

[@Artista_Frustrado]

wait, is not blurred?

[@BoulderPunchPodcast1]

Honestly my parents taught me swears when I was little so I never really got why comics bother censoring them, or anything that's not marketed towards kids. The Walking Dead feels like a good example of what I mean, that is one of the goriest most violent shows on right now, but no one ever says "fuck", I don't get it, especially since they allow it in the comic.

[@AdaWongLover5]

I understand the choice not to show Chapel's suicide to become a demon and having looked at it I can say it's bad. Really freaking bad. Thank you Linkara for sparing us from looking at the worst Liefeld drawing of all time.

[@trickyricky4731]

Out of curiosity I looked up that image and it brought tears to my eyes, not because it was the act of someone killing himself but because of how abysmally drawn it was. The gun is angled in such a way that it looks like Chaple missed his own head.

[@LordChaosHavik]

@@trickyricky4731 Not to mention the wound he receives make little scene, which makes me ask how this gun is supposed to work when it hits things?

[@ambroseburnside1950]

I had to look it up online. It’s really bad but not gory

[@CoolinDude]

Glad to have 90’s kid back in the reviews

[@countesschewi2399]

While I personally don't feel that drawing graphic, gory suicide in a book is a bad idea in and of itself... this is Youngblood. I highly doubt they could do anything with it remotely tasteful or even interesting in any context. The actual context of the scene does just make it worse.

[@HeirofAzaran]

I don't think even Frank Miller could have done a worse job.

[@jamesadamsfl]

Well, Miller before DK2. Hartigan’s suicide in SIN CITY was INFINITELY more tasteful and emotionally affecting. Miller these days, though . . . I just don’t know.

[@ianbyrne465]

If the suicide scene is used like Linkara said, "to convey emotion and the horribleness of the act" (paraphrased that a bit) then I can understand why someone would do it, and I could accept that. I would respect them much more if they had some kind of warning in the first page or so, but that's just me, being someone who's spent a lot of time around suicidal people. This really was just a tasteless waste of paper, and I agree, the context does just make it even worse.

[@justanotheranimeprofilepic]

Suicide is a bit like rape in stories for me, if you can make it anything else, don't use suicide. But there is a far better and more classy/artful way to show it, implication shots. 3 panels 1 chapels shadow on a wall, 2 the shadow mid act, 3 the shadow no longer there. I'd still say never do it as a writer but if you have to don't be like this terrible piece of crap

[@SapphireCrook]

I feel that, with a proper writer, Spawn's role would've been played up. He'd comment on the value of life, the risks of bargaining with death and the devil, the pain of becoming a demon, the rules and restrictions of being borne from hell, how he'll never be the same and perhaps only yearn for the simplicity that was before. And that, heck, the chance exists his plan triple backfires and that suicide isn't ever an answer. I dunno, Spawn feels like the kinda guy most suited to have an extended argument against it. Too bad nobody with half a braincell was involved. Would've at least given a completely tasteless scene some softening context. Or better yet, he doesn't do it right there, realizing Spawn might try to fuck him over in some way on the deal if Spawn was aware of his plans. It'd make for a good off-panel scene, and with the right setup could help reflect how hopeless some people feel when their best efforts cannot stop someone from taking their own life.

[@darklordumbreon]

as someone who's contemplating ending my life...but is also trying to fight that said thing I'm contemplating...you did well to explain the bullshit of that scene, heck you improved over that subject quite nicely since your superman 701 review. as long as I have my own friends, this show (And plenty other stuff) and just the optimism that "yeah life can get better"...I know I will not end myself easily Seriously Linkara, thank you

[@christiancrusader9374]

darklordumbreon have you thought about talking to a therapist?

[@HeirofAzaran]

I'm glad you found something worthwhile in this review. I'm sorry for whatever has pushed you to this conclusion. Please, for your own sake and the sake of those who love you, don't forget that life can get better.

[@darklordumbreon]

Indeed, hence why I keep hanging onto life

[@MaggieCandy999]

darklordumbreon if you feel like you need to talk to someone about this, the lpfamily on Twitter (myself included) are all ears. #lpfamily

[@kkentertainment5279]

I hope you live a long full happy life, I wish the best of luck to you in the future.

[@fhb3]

FINALLY: Rob Liefeld STILL Can't Draw #10! And I remember: this is the infamous Spawn/Chapel crossover partly drawn Liefeld-esque by Stephen Platt where Chapel wants to become a Hellspawn. Why did McFarlane sign off on THIS?! Warwolf: a broke-ass Sabretooth. Task: a poor man's Prophet (also a Youngblood character). This book has a writer and editor, Linkara? Well... where are they? Obviously, not on this book. Our heroes, everybody. Yeah. This comic SUCKS.

[@shadowspider9]

Task is literally Shatterstar from the X-men. A character Rob himself created. Google the character. He looks exactly the same as task.

[@fhb3]

+shadowspider9 Most of Liefeld's Youngblood roster was X-Men pastiches. Had he stayed at Marvel, they all would have surfaced in an X-Book. And fared MUCH better.

[@L1701]

Felix Brown Funny enough, Youngblood started out as a pitch for a new Teen Titans team. Shaft was originally Roy Harper/Speedy/Arsenal, Vogue was meant to be a new take on the Harlequin (A Golden Age villainess, not Harleen Quinzel), etc.

[@jfdrac]

@@L1701 Started with Teen Titans then threw n X-Force

[@jonathankent1517]

"Nobody wants a Youngblood version of Ticket to Ride!" I don't think we're in any danger of that. After all, they don't have all the Holy Corpse parts.

[@OnDavidsBrain]

Jonthan Kent I was waiting for someone to mention that. And after learning about that infamous scene I now wish that Funny Valentine would have shot Chapel instead.

[@daelen.cclark]

I would however, LOVE a Superman theme of ticket to ride

[@VampireBuddha]

Kid is now Dude? Chapel showed up in the Spawn cartoon, and he actually worked there because the writers chucked everything about him other than the facepaint and the evil immoral sociopathy.

[@christiancrusader9374]

VampireBuddha end of the sleepwalker arc, remember?

[@jamesadamsfl]

He declared himself to be an adult as a result of all he went through over the past few years, in particular the last couple episodes (it's part of the story of the . . . let's call it Awesomeverse)

[@alicedarhk9790]

thegreatunnamedone which promptly died with #changethechannel

[@Insane-Howl-Cowl]

I would love to sit in on one of these "create a perfect soldier" meetings and actually get a list of what makes someone the perfect soldier, since every comic has a different definition. I would think the perfect solider would be one that can heal, so you don't lose the experience and tactical knowledge.

[@christiancrusader9374]

Jeremy Moore your looking at captain America. Loyal, strong, intelligent, and brave.

[@Insane-Howl-Cowl]

True enough. Yet the comic book military always seems to be trying to create "an even more perfect-er version". You'd think they'd say, "nah remake that. Check his notes. Governments always have notes, as do scientists" (Yes, I know there were no documents, but as someone in a pharma field this always bugs me about comics.)

[@eugenideddis]

What might be fun to see in a story is multiple groups trying to create a “perfect” soldier, all of them succeed 100%, but how their different definitions of “perfect” lead to vastly different results.

[@BATCHARRO]

Jeremy Moore Expanding outside comics, the Raptors in Jurassic World and Xenomorphs in Aliens were considered by evil corps for it. Now, those are kinda formidable...but they're just animals. What kinda war do they fight in these universes? Oh, and Bane in Batman and Robin. Bane is not an animal, of course but I don't see how the advanced strength, edges out the decreased reaction times and vulnerability to being shot in the face. Now I'm not very far into my Super Soldier program but anything that can't execute complex orders on command yet have judgement on its own is a no go.

[@daelen.cclark]

I think a good way to make a “perfect soldier” is to make sure he has a good morality (not unlike captain America) with caring parental figures to keep them on a good path (with protection against that soldiers powers for good measure of course.) Because we should avoid another homelander whenever possible.

[@ryanrobotham7696]

As someone who's struggled with depression, I appreciate the warning, but I'm going to brave it. With a sense of caution and dread but still... EDIT: Wow... just... wow.

[@jouheikisaragi6075]

Ryan Robotham yeah, people in the 90s were very dumb.

[@misterbubbles6389]

I hope the scene hasn't been too upsetting for you and I hope that you have a good day.

[@ryanrobotham7696]

I was more amazed at the sheer ignorance of the topic than the topic itself. I'd be less sickened if it was misguided, but it doesn't even have that excuse. I won't seek the image out, because I intend to have a good day, so thanks man.

[@supersmashbro596]

probably doesnt help anything. but chapel did it solely with the intent of coming back later to be like spawn. and, to my knowledge, it works. still a fucking tasteless scene.

[@vitorborges807]

The bad artwork in that panel was more shocking to me than the fact there's a guy shooting himself in the head.

[@OddballoftheInternet]

*Sarcastic voice* Oh boy, my favorite, youngblood! I just love how the characters have no eyes in some pages. I also like how they just make them look like they just took steroids. And who could forget the writing?

[@fhb3]

Travis Prosser Overdeveloped Scott Steiner-esque muscles is an apparent side effect of Youngblood's disease.

[@TheXell]

I certainly forgot about the writing. I've marathoned Lewis' videos 2 times and I STILL dont know what the hell Youngblood is about.

[@Dynaman21]

In the Spawn cartoon, Judas Chapel was shown to be a womanizer because he was shown to be an empty shell that needed to kill people and have sex to feel...anything. But the Spawn cartoon was so much better than this.

[@HeirofAzaran]

I'm given to understand that Season 2 Chapel dropped that complexity. If they'd kept it, he might have been a fascinating character, given how he died in this comic. Not that I'm condoning Robby-boy's stupidity.

[@TevyaSmolka]

the spawn animated series did the whole spawn vs the chapel thing a hell of a lot better then this series

[@TevyaSmolka]

SonicStantz I don’t think so

[@CaptainLunar1994]

Basically Chapel is HIRED to take on Spawn, it's not "track him down to find out how he came back to life" for idiotic reasons.

[@NarwhalEntertainment]

He also broke down mentally when he realized Spawn was Al, and that Hell being real meant he was screwed.

[@TevyaSmolka]

TheOmnitron12345 yup it’s true :)

[@aderose]

Narwhal Entertainment industry not to mention chapel actually felt guilty about killing Al before meeting him again

[@RangerDanger9396]

Todd McFarlane did chapel so many more favors than Lefield.

[@MrSafior]

And wasn't a great writer.

[@RangerDanger9396]

yeah, but at least Todd had the common decency to not show someone committing suicide in his works.

[@RedRock22Productions]

Darkdragon6026 Thank god for that.

[@RangerDanger9396]

yeah

[@NoahDaArk]

Geoffrey the art dude. Even though I’m not the biggest fan of Spawn, I do think Todd McFarland is a better artist then Leitfeld

[@KidSnivy69]

I like to believe in the good in people. That said Rob Liefield(?) is one of those special cases that lead me to question my ideals.

[@TheEmeraldWeirdo]

I don't see why. It's been pretty well established by now that Liefeld isn't a person.

[@jamescook5783]

becoming a born again Christian does not instantly make you a better person

[@jamescook5783]

my bad i thought you implided it.

[@KidSnivy69]

darkrage6 Your original comment didn't allude to that

[@jamescook5783]

And I quote "he's pretty nice, he's changed quite a bit since he became a born-against Christian." You are implicating that him being a born again Christian is what made him a better person.

[@PSIHedgehogChris]

Out of morbid curiosity, I looked up the image. I now have all the regrets.

[@meowistforlife]

All the regrets? how much do you regret the seventh of March

[@steelballrunner636]

Chapel commiting suicide because of HIV literally made me vomit. As someone who has had suicidal thoughts before, I can say with no doubt that this comic is a disgrace to the paper it was written on.

[@TheSpiralCurse]

im sure youngblood will be sensetive and thought provoking even enlightening on the topic of suicide..........

[@thespacecowboy8254]

The Spiral 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@gratuitouslurking8610]

Or 50 Shades of Grey for healthy BDSM relationships.

[@mogan4534]

Or Infinite Crisis on cautionary tales

[@Djinsin]

I get the feeling that Liefeld operated similar to Akira Toriyama, who wrote Dragon Ball by the seat of his pants without planning and never knowing what would happen in the next chapter. The key difference is that AKIRA TORIYAMA DOES NOT SUCK!!

[@jonahfalcon1970]

You forgot the personal attacks Rob Liefeld's made over the years (see: Rags Morales, Alan Moore, Scott Snyder, the editor who was told by DC higher ups to fire him...)

[@JohnPannozzi]

Jonah Falcon He and Snyder kissed and made up.

[@jonahfalcon1970]

So?

[@JohnPannozzi]

Based on Rob said, the fued wasn't meant to be as serious as it would seem to an outsider. Seems they were just ribbing each other.

[@jonahfalcon1970]

History says otherwise. There's a pattern of being someone who doesn't know how to SHUT THE FUCK UP with Liefeld. I don't care if they kissed and made up or told everyone they kissed and made up for vocational expedience. Liefeld has a pattern of abusiveness and dickishness. So what if one person says it's all alright. Because he hasn't stopped before and certainly not after. There's something mentally wrong with him.

[@jonahfalcon1970]

How do alcoholics feel when someone who is alcoholic refuses to get treatment because they insist they're not alcoholic? As someone who's dealt with others with severe personality disorders, I believe I can safely say there's something wrong with him. Look up "narcissistic personality disorder".

[@bloodstoneore4630]

100 more years of at4w anyone?

[@DeathGodRiku]

bloodstone ore only if there's no more Youngblood or Marville

[@KidSnivy69]

I can't wait to see Linkara review holographic comics as a head in a jar!

[@Talessaga2]

Obviously Lewis's bloodline will be destinied to review Youngblood until the end of times.

[@SorowFame]

DeathGodRiku if he keeps reviewing them he'll probably drink himself to death trying to forget them.

[@bloodstoneore4630]

after marville, he's got a liver of steel

[@XenithXenaku]

17:13 - 20:34 WOW, that is pure Tranquil Fury coming from Linkara there (or maybe Lewis Lovhaug himself), and this comic _deserved_ it for going into a _very_ touchy subject like _suicide_ and even *_HIV_* of all things!

[@Dynaman21]

If this show lasts another decade or two, we’ll finally get Youngblood Judgment Day. Alan Moore puts Youngblood on trial, and the verdict is guilty, then Rob’s idiotic business sense keeps him from rebooting Youngblood into a version of the Teen Titans. Well, that’s the short, non spoiler version.

[@ZoanBlade90]

Dynaman21 Is that the recent one?

[@Dynaman21]

ZoanBlade90 96 or 97. It was Moore’s companion piece to Supreme, where he took “BADAZZ SUPERMAN” and went “what if Superman was a comic book artist and had tons of metafiction elements, but acted like well...Superman?” The end result is immensely enjoyable.

[@slashandbones13]

So it is Alan Moore trying to redeem himself for the accidental legacy of his greatest creation? Like the final issue of Dark Knight 3 but for Frank Miller.

[@Dynaman21]

slashandbones13 He’s been adamant about calling the emotion behind Watchmen a phase rather than a desire. Hence stuff like Top 10, Supreme, and Tom Strong.

[@slashandbones13]

Now that you mention it, I have heard statements about that. It seems Frank Miller is starting to be that way too. In a interview, Miller talked about that he never wanted his statue breaker to become a statue or something like that.

[@jameswhite153]

I've just seen the image of chapel killing himself. *WOW, ROB, HOW LOW CAN YOU GO!*

[@snakes3425]

Rob To quote Lightning Bliss: "Congratulations, you have invented a new kind of stupid, the damage you can never undo kind of stupid, an open all the doors in the zoo kind of stupid, truly you didn't think this through kind of stupid."

[@zhazha23]

I dunno if anyone has ever told you this before, but you tend to be scary when you lower your voice. Considering the subject matter, this is a compliment.

[@robstewartstewart98]

Mister S Gaming both sf debris and Linkara are awesome regularly. But when they seethe......when they are just FILLED with righteous indignation....that is something awesome, creepy, AND IT IS GLORIOUS!

[@Klonoahedgehog]

Robert Stewart One of them should voice a villain who's meant to be charismatic at first but revealed to be a very serious man when the heroes confront him

[@cockroachcharlie5619]

I noticed when he briefly voiced Spawn he actually sounded damn cool. Not how I'd picture Spawn's voice, but still really cool for somebody else.

[@NoahDaArk]

Cockroach Charlie If I ever have the influence to make a “Spawn Slaughters The Youngbloods” short film, I’m asking Linkara to star as Spawn

[@drawnseeker]

Thank you so much for talking about how suicide is tastelessly used .

[@JunAoi]

A little past the time to mention this but. The entire impetus for this story comes from Spawn #13, where Al Simmons, the titular Hellspawn, got his revenge on Chapel for killing him. By very literally melting his fucking face off, exactly as painfully as it sounds, and using his magic to keep Chapel, AKA Bruce, alive. Spawn disfigured him in a way that made his war-paint/makeup into an actual skull with removed skin and left it as painful as it could be. Saying his reputation as a ladies' man would go away because.. well. His face is half exposed skull. Anyways here's Rob, drawing it stylistically and like makeup. Instead of, as I said, the actual impetus being Chapel's face getting melted the F off by Spawn. Chapel could not know of Spawn's powers and how he made the deal and anything if his face wasn't literally removed off him. But nope. That's effort. So, his face is fine because it's easier to draw. This is essentially like saying the other Bruce decided to fight crime even if his parents are fine, or the other other Bruce deciding to become a fugitive from the military even if he never got hit by a gamma bomb.

[@Elementa2006]

This explains why characters like Spawn and Savage Dragon were popular and big hits for IMAGE while their flagship characters Youngblood floundered for years

[@spikejr3113jr]

Linkara you rock

[@daelen.cclark]

Joey Allain Hell yeah he does!

[@BATCHARRO]

I know comics have a distant relationship with permanent death but my God. It seems like a bit of a stretch to assume not only that any death can be bounced back from, but that whatever happens after is "negotiable" enough that you can make a plan for it. And keep in mind, this is a guy he killed, telling him he died and went to hell then came back. What if it's a lie precisely for him to do this, and after he does it Spawn is "Hehehe. That's for killing me, sucker." And again, even if Spawn IS being truthful(and is not just confused) this plan hinges on making a deal with the devil, which are notorious exactly for "The House Always Wins". Who's to say he'll be able to do...whatever it is he is planning? Spawn's plan was to come back and be with his wife, and he just clearly explained it didn't end well. What if all he gets is a janitor job at Satan's country club for 3000 years before he's sent to Earth. WOULD THAT WORK OUT WITH WHAT YOU HAD IN MIND, CHAPEL??!?

[@BATCHARRO]

Heck, Spawn didn't even come back until years after he died. Here his spirit is literally rising as a demon from his body before he makes any deals. To compare the idea, Scorpion, of Mortal Kombat fame, died and came back to avenge is family and clan's death. In that story(or stories) there are at least tenuous explanations and rules for it. It's the classic Ghost who has unfinished business. He diedincold blood. It involves him being kind of a magic Ninja already. Not everyone who dies in Mortal Kombat becomes a spectre, even If they meet some of the criteria. But fron what little I know of Spawn, not everyone who dies in that verse comes back as a Spawn, because that's not the point. Not even everyone who is evil becomes a Spawn. It's a pretty long shot is what I'm saying.

[@POLE7645]

I just checked the image... ... I'm starting to miss Troll's shower scene.

[@jamescook5783]

(combine harvister plays) WHY CAN I STILL SEE IT !?!?

[@funcoolfunfun]

Do you have a link to it? I kind of want to see it... out of morbid curiousity.

[@CX462]

@@funcoolfunfun readcomiconline.to/Comic/Youngblood-1992/Issue-10?id=45524, I've seen the image Linkara did not show in this episode. Warning be prepared to throw up.

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

@@CX462 I didn't throw up, I laughed my ass off (albeit a cynical one). Mainly not only because it was done poorly, but also because it's FUCKING tasteless.

[@fleetadmiralauto6506]

@@CX462 Ah yes, the blast does zero damage to the side of his head that he shot, but completely eviscerates the other side, with damage that looks more like a heavy calliber bullet rather than an energy round

[@nicholasbruns6593]

Added this to my at4w - Youngblood playlist without seeing it. Binged all 10 episodes in a row, only to hear you say at the end nobody wants to see that much Youngblood. My lmao moment of the day!

[@baileymarvel3370]

So story time: I was at a comic shop and saw a trade of Youngblood with all of these early issues. Despite Linkara’s criticism of the series I was still mildly interested in it so i considered buying it. I decided to turn to Chapel’s suicide to see if it was as distasteful as Linkara said it was. Spoiler: it was so I put the trade back and bought something else.

[@lucasviking]

All of this lead to an event called EXTREME SACRIFICE, that I've just read recently. For all you wondering (and a bunch of spoilers): . . . . . . . . - Chapel goes to Hell to become a Spawn, but a demon says he cannot do that because he is destined to become an even more powerful beign, to lead the Four Horsemen and sit upon the Throne of Hell forever. - Meanwhile, a guy called Crypt comes over and pledge alliance to the now Demon Lord Chapel. - Bloodstrike fights the greatest hero ever, Prophet, and discovers his true identity (Cabbot Stone). - In New Men comics, the New Men's speedester Dash gets pregnant (from her team mate Reign) and gives birth to a boy in a matter of weeks. In a matter of hours, the boy becomes an adult. This is the Newborn, the man who is prophetizied will defeat Chapel. - Colonel Bravo (Shaft's dad) and his team, the Order of the Knight (which includes Link, Glory, Warwolf and Youngblood members Troll and Knight Sabre), start The Gathering, a reunion of superheroes. - Trying to stop The Gathering, Crypt hunts down and butches a lot of superheroes, aparently killing Supreme and murdering including all Brigade's members but Seahawk (Battlestone was suposed to be dead... again). - The Order of the Knight, the New Men, Bloodstrike, Seahawk and both Youngblood teams all meet at Youngblood's HQ to make a final stand against Crypt. They all get massacred. - Prophet comes to save the day - Crypt kills Kirby - Prophet battles Crypt and discovers that Crypt is an evil version of himself. Prophet decapitates Crypt - After Crypt's defeat, Chapel comes in. - Youngblood's manager, Graves, reveals that he is LUCIFER HIMSELF and battles Chapel. - Lucifer and the Newborn join forces to defeat Chapel. - End.

[@matthewhancox4389]

The channel Overly Sarcastic Productions talked about, “Jerk-Sues” in their Anti-Hero episode of Trope Talk. It’s a type of Mary/Gary Sue; an overly cruel and murderous character that the story will treat as a hero regardless of how much they act like a villain, due to the writers belief that their character is so awesome and cool that they can do no wrong. Not sure why this episode made me think of that…

[@jfinley91]

It is amazing how much fury can be displayed just by talking calmly and slowly. Seriously, every time Linkara yells on the show, it's not even close to level of anger he displays when he starts to get quiet.

[@tylersackett6302]

I’m sorry Linkara, I’m with you on this episode and that it’s bad (thou I personally like the Spawn movie) but as a Spawn fan, I want to correct something you said. Chapel burned Spawn. After, yes, shooting Al (Spawn) he burned him alive. I apologize if this annoys you, but it started to bother me and I felt like I had to point that out. Your still awesome and my favorite internet celebrity

[@cameronheaton9900]

He did admit that he wasn't a spawn fan so maybe that detail got lost on them. Personally if they do a youngblood movie even make it like watchmen when it is establish their a holes or do a complete overhaul of their personalities.

[@TheSpawnfan]

Wich thanks to the retcon that had Jessica Priest, a character from a spin off story, be the one to actually kill Al never happened, Chapel is a better character in the HBO series where he actually is remorseful about killing Al

[@tayojones9460]

TheSpawnfan until he admitted that he wanted to do it.

[@TheSpawnfan]

Yes, he ended up being left completely insane by his encounter though

[@tylersackett6302]

Tao Jones T.jones indeed. Also, I personally found it funny of the quick change and of just how insane he got. I’m with Sam, all that make up can’t be good for Chapel XD

[@geeklove2237]

i really appreciate you linkara it was very awesome to put the time code and give the topic the seriousness it deserved

[@SharpDesign]

"This isn't over." "Nuh-uh, it totally is." Better dialogue than the actual comic.

[@CJMoody]

I just Googled the infamous panel Linkara was talking about in this episode. Good grief...

[@dillydilophosaur]

Thanks for the suicide warning (as someone who's attempted a few times in the past), that helped prepare me. Also... that Zelda timeline joke had me laughing my butt off (as Hyrule Historia's release was the point I fell out of love with the series). That was amazing.

[@PapaTaurean]

I just had to explain to my gf the term "Liefeldian"... suffice it to say, she doesn't read comics much... but even she knew that most gun heavy, muscle bound, silly ecoutrements... is just... just horrible...

[@LaNoLaCola]

It's been a long time, but we're finally through with (the first volume of) Youngblood

[@edvance1030]

That suicide scene was truly gruesome. What were they thinking?

[@LaNoLaCola]

Eddie well not thinking about the implications, for one thing

[@TheSpiralCurse]

fun fact, i dont read superhero comics. outside of this show, movies and cartoons theyre not really my thing....however i did pick up a volume of spawn. and seeing what he did to chapel....man it felt poetic

[@jonathanbermudez546]

The Spiral what did he do

[@dustinj918]

What happened in this book, the sequence with Chapel... I would call that Rob's Moral Event Horizon. The point where Rob crossed the line. That sequence is unforgivable. Treating such heavy and serious subjects so horribly is beyond awful. It proves that this book has no place in ANY comic collection, and that this book deserves only the worst punishment for a comic: to be abandoned. To be treated as nothing more then a footnote in comics, and that the only thing it is remembered for is it's disgusting nature. Moving from that, I will say one thing about Youngblood in general: the character and idea of Psilence could work in a different book and with a different writer. Yes, her body proportions and outfit are bizarre, but with a better writer and story, she could be a cool character.

[@dustinj918]

Oh? Well, that's one thing Youngblood did right. I can only guess Rob had nothing to do with the trade.

[@dustinj918]

Well, considering how the original comic turned out, removing that scene probably wasn't his idea.

[@dustinj918]

Oh, right. I forgot about that. Yeah, I imagine that he isn't proud either. I still consider that moment the book's Moral Event Horizon.

[@shadowspider9]

A lot of characters honestly are like Psilence. Badrock is probably the most interesting character in the entire book. Shaft likely could work as a no nonsense military leader. And Nightsaber has a pretty fun personality.

[@dustinj918]

shadowspider9 Yeah. In the hands of a different writer, all of these characters could be great.

[@realityhelix564]

It was very kind of you to give us that warning.

[@stormwolf3252]

4:57 - 90's Kid has finally evolved into 90's Dude.

[@TheMamaluigi300]

16:50 Honestly, if Chapel’s plan was just to die and come back as a hellspawn, with no need specifics for the death, he could’ve instead just try to fight Spawn and die by *his* hands

[@brandongreen4439]

All I can say to that which shall never be shown? ...Damn. That's a new low.

[@fhb3]

+Brandon Green I remember the infamous image, because, in a moment of sentimental lunacy for following a Spawn storyline, I bought this issue of Youngblood. "You don't want none of this shit." -- Tim Meadows' usual refrain, Walk Hard

[@jonahfalcon1970]

I have a link to the image. It's just Spy vs. Spy silly.

[@sarah20025]

Jonah Falcon Link?

[@AceLM92]

I thank you for reviewing Youngblood, which without I would never know how Rob liefeld draws woman and wouldn't reference him when I see mutant woman on the internet that actually look like they were drawn by him

[@cornparade6874]

Tranquil fury Linkara is scarier than loud shouty Linkara

[@stevenstice6683]

Loud shouty Linkara is usually played for comedic effect. Tranquil fury Linkara is Lewis himself breaking character to talk about something important, and frankly it pisses him off.

[@AnEnemySpy456]

Does Youngblood even have a plot? Everytime Linkara does this series I have no idea what's happening in these books.

[@jouheikisaragi6075]

Bloodshark123 I think it doesn't

[@MrEmpoleon2010]

Bloodshark123 It doesn’t help that the plot is not contained in just Youngblood. It keeps jumping to Team Youngblood, Brigade, Bloodstrike, and other comics that it’s hard to get a basic understanding of what the hell is going on. Also as Linkara points out many times they keep adding characters instead on working with what they have so the lack of an coherent storyline is not surprising.

[@jonahfalcon1970]

Liefeld's attention span is so short he contradicts the plot two pages later on many issues.

[@skyslasher2297]

An Enemy Spy yes it does just fight this guy

[@DarkPaladin300]

Funny thing is that I just read the new Youngblood series called "Youngblood: Reborn" and I have to be honest... I actually kind of like it, even if I do feel like I would have to read the previous albums to follow what little story that occurred before. Basically it takes place some time after the original team got disbanded due a lot of events that happened in Alan Moore's mini series Youngblood: Judgment Day where they dealt with one of their own being tried for murder. Needless to say, the new run dealt with how superheroes can be called by civilians using basically a Uber app called "Help!" where they introduced , the cyborg superhero Diehard is now the president of The United States (yes seriously), Badrock is suffering from a illness due to his rocklike state and so on. The story kicks in when a young sizechanging superhero called Man-Up disappears with all info on the app and elsewhere is as if he never existed. So his friends who are also supers decides to investigate it. So the way I see it, this is the better version of it and you should give it a shot :)

[@mochiman6307]

Same

[@daelen.cclark]

Linkara actually reviewed Youngblood: judgement day recently, I’d recommend watching the episode. (Besides, after the original series, there’s nowhere to go but up.)

[@jackwells8107]

I was managing a comic shop in the early 90s, and I eventually quit selling any of the Liefield line of books to anyone under 18, until I'd had a chance to okay them. I think it was after one of his 'heroes' (Supreme?) tore a group of other heroes limb from limb.

[@ComicKathy]

Serious: Suicide is nothing to joke about, nothing to take lightly. There are many people, myself included, who have really bad depression and suffer with thoughts of taking their own life. It is not a topic talk about with anything less than 100% knowledge about it, and how to help the person in question before they do something that can never be taken back. At the start of this video, I admit I wanted to see the image just to know what was so bad. But after hearing you talk about it, I am glad I saw nothing.

[@HeirofAzaran]

Likewise.

[@JohnnyElRed]

The thing is that taking into account how Liefeld draws... is cartoony at best. You probably shouldn't look it up still, but if the intention of Rob with that art was to look edgy... in reality it felt comical. Something that is even worse taking into account the matter at hand.

[@HeirofAzaran]

Have you seen Red Dwarf? There was a gag in it about a character working at a phone company and four people called him one day and all committed suicide, and one was a wrong number phoning for the cricket scores. I found that joke funny. I see nothing entertaining in this comic at all.

[@jouheikisaragi6075]

darkrage6 agreed, you can make jokes about everything, whether they're funny is another thing. Hell, as someone who went through depression(I was drowning in a cup of water though) I make ironic quips at myself for it, never making direct jokes since I still have no idea on how to make them funny.

[@MrPiccoloku]

I'm fine with most of your comment, but the "Suicide is nothing to joke about" thing only made it worse for me when I was depressed. Humor is a powerful coping mechanism. I even STOPPED myself from committing suicide with suicide jokes multiple times.

[@RasenFemme]

Your content warning is appreciated; thank you for approaching it with dignity and maturity.

[@GruntGamerProductions]

(12:25) Whoa now, Linkara. Let's not go comparing Task to someone as insanely awesome as Raiden. The dude went on to become a cyborg ninja who was able to lift a Metal Gear RAY with his own strength, before throwing it into the air, just moments before he cut it in half. Then later he went on to fight an overpowered US Senator, whose power came from nanomachines, in a ring of fire with a red sword. I made absolutely none of that up. Go look up Metal Gear Rising and you'll see.

[@Jebbtube]

A good friend of mine used to model his art style on Liefeld's style. He was good at it, but it did not do him any favors.

[@CactusJackIV]

Our champion cares, at least he gave time codes for those that may want to skip the subject(I will not be one of them) THat's why you rule, you really care about the fans.

[@psycher7]

Right from the disclaimer at the beginning I knew this was gonna be good. Remember one of the really early Nostalgia Critic episodes where he's looking at Captain Planet? When he gets to that show's attempt to talk about - presciently enough - AIDS, an alarm goes off with stuff like "Turn back now!" and "You're not talented enough!" That alarm was going off in my head at the thought of Rob Liefeld addressing suicide.

[@them.]

Everything about Chapel's suicide is absolutely disgusting and makes me question, as usual, how Rob still gets work, but I think one thing you didn't mention is, y'know, kinda the message of his suicide. it's kind of like a Hannah Baker type of message, where it's basically saying If you kill yourself, you get to live out your revenge fantasy!". That isn't what happens, pretty obviously. You can ask if Spawn portrayed this as well, but it didn't really, considering that Spawn didn't shoot himself in the head or anything. Not only that, but Chapel has been mostly portrayed as a good guy for the run of the comic, making it seem like a better thing to do than if, say, a villain did it. Now, Chapel's plan *doesn't* actually work, but I don't think that gets portrayed in the comic where he commits suicide.

[@OwlEye2010]

I recently read a Garth Ennis miniseries by the name of Crossed. The end of #1 of that series features a two-page spread that, quite frankly, makes the two-page spread of Chapel's suicide in this comic look tame.

[@Ektalon]

The goons they fight at the start are robots; yet they've been given fully sculpted teeth. What's the point? Are the robots used to train dental students when they're not fighting heroes?

[@ViperhawkX]

I like how the guy near the end there is literally just Cable with techno-earmuffs.

[@NurseValentineSG]

Can I ask an honest question? We've been through 10 issues of youngblood and I have no fucking idea what is going on. It feels like there is a fightscene, a new character is introduced and then we jump to another fightscene. I don't know what is going on.

[@skyslasher2297]

well that is whats going on there is no plot just fighting

[@DiarraHarris]

I had stopped reading Youngblood way before this issue. I'm glad I did.

[@cockroachcharlie5619]

Psilence. The idea of a mute telepath would actually be pretty cool to explore and her name IS actually really clever in reflecting that. Too bad you wouldn't know that about her without the comic outright telling you since the only difference is the drawing style of her dialogue boxes. Remove the blurb where it explains her and you would just think she speaks with a funny voice.

[@VictoryArtz]

Wanna know something funny? Luffy stopped Nami from stabbing herself multiple times because of the insidious mark on her arm and her cause was for nothing, thus helping her to stop Arlong from taking over the East Blue, Superman stopped a girl from commiting suicide and says everything is going to be alright and you're so much more stronger than you are, Batman has saved a drug addict from jumping off a bridge and tells him life is worth living. My point is, These characters have resolved the depth of how to help someone with depression and suicide, because seeing Rob's depiction of suicide is appalling.

[@thegayghost872]

You know it's going to be great when the reviewer starts the video with a trigger warning.

[@jfdrac]

That comment about the painkillers wearing off for some reason got a huge laugh out of me

[@Headbanger142]

Chapel commits suicide so he could come back and become more powerful....I'm guessing that never happened. :/

[@VGJustice]

From Wikipedia: "He awoke and instead of becoming a Hellspawn he became Lord Chapel, a horseman of apocalypse in service to his mistress Calcifer."

[@jamesadamsfl]

"Do all mercenaries get the chance to become a demon when they die. Is that, like, written into their contract?"Only if they work for Wolfram and Hart--it's part of the Standard Perpetuity Clause.

[@OnDavidsBrain]

17:19 Congratulations Rob Liefeld you are now just as bad a writer as Shouji Yonamura!!! You know, when Persona 3 used similar imagery (though thankfully with nowhere near as much gore in it since the evokers didn’t fire bullets) at least Death was the central theme of the story!

[@jamescook5783]

P3 was not written by Yonamura.

[@OnDavidsBrain]

James Cook I know that I was giving an example where this topic was done better.

[@MrSafior]

Who is Shouji Yonamura?

[@xavier8951]

@@OnDavidsBrain Like what Safior said, who's that?

[@mochiman6307]

I wanna knos

[@TheSeptet]

Saying Nightsaber (Nightsabre? Knyhtsabyr?) is "Australian but Gambit" is just... super funny for some reason. I don't know why, but I'm still laughing about it.

[@andrijadjordjevic9203]

there was an issue of the incredible hulk that better tackled the AIDS problem

[@chefbanjo8139]

"Any plan that requires killing yourself as step one might need a little more workshopping." @Moriarty

[@andrewmihovich4252]

I... I don't know if I should correct this, but Jim Moriarty *did* set up the assassins and deliver the terms to Sherlock. *Then* , apparently entirely on the spur of the moment, he realized that as long as he was alive, Holmes might do something clever anyway, so he killed himself.

[@sarahpace5376]

I think if they really wanted to have a gory suicide scene then it should've occurred in Spawn's book, given that series had more of a horror bent than Youngblood did. The suicide really has little baring on the events of Youngblood and they could've just had Psylence mention feeling his death, while the actual event took place over in a Spawn issue. If it were me, I would've taken out the HIV reference and really any reference to Chapel being infected with disease at all. He's clearly crazy/evil enough anyway to want to kill himself thinking he'll come back. The extra motivation of the disease is unnecessary when the simple explanation of "he's evil and crazy" is perfectly acceptable. And yes, if you're going to depict gory scenes, there's no sense censoring language. Either do away with censorship or practice it uniformly: pick one.

[@robstewartstewart98]

May the champion never leave us, whatever form his show takes.

[@christiancrusader9374]

The spawn stuff is the only good part of this comic. It doesn't belong here. Except for the suicide of chappel. Linkara was right, that was disgusting of rob to do.

[@snakes3425]

You know what confirms Linkara's suspicions that Liefeld only did the Chapel Suicide scene because he thought it looked cool: He signed it...yeah I looked at it before stapling the pages shut and Rob Liefeld put his signature on the two page gore fest suicide

[@xFlareLeon]

It's not THAT horrible.

[@rwg6357]

1:35 well this got heavy

[@ZoanBlade90]

RWG I mean, that really got out of hand fast.

[@AA-in4so]

9:45 Shame, that actually sounds like a compelling character arc

[@Horvath_Gabor]

Okay, so I looked up the image of Chapel's suicide, and I was pretty underwhelmed, as it was neither as badly drawn as I expected, nor as gory as some stuff I have seen (though, working in healthcare and getting desensitized might have something to do with the latter). I also looked up the context, and realized that it kind of made sense in it as far as character-motivations were concerned, so I didn't really get why this was such a big deal. Then you brought up the HIV connection, and it finally clicked why this whole thing was in incredibly bad taste.

[@ArandZyrus]

That last shot of Psilence looks pretty good, actually. Granted, Linkara showed just the head shot (don't know if it's that way in the comic itself) so no spine bending or exaggerated proportions, and despite the typical Youngblood disease, her eyes look decent. Let's take what we can get, I guess? Also, still waiting for the next issue of Image United.