Batman Returns : The Official Comic Adaptation, Part 2 - Atop the Fourth Wall

[@jonathancampbell5231]

You could also see the three villains as kind of representing regression- Shreck is the most "human", Catwoman is torn between her human and bestial side, and Penguin is the most primal and bestial.

[@Brawler1993]

The sight of a bunch of criminals just tampering with the Batmobile is so weird to me. Nowadays, there's no way anybody would be able to touch the thing given how armed to the teeth it is and the amount of security measures Batman would've built into it. "I preferred Ms. Vale, Master Wayne. This is all your fault" - that line killed me. So savage, Alfred.

[@jonathancampbell5231]

In the movie they had a device that turned off all of it's security systems and armour. No clue where they got it from.

[@zachwillett5853]

There was a Batman TAS episode that did it better. There's only about half a line in the film to say where Penguin got it from, easily missed and often forgotten. I think it was a mechanic they kidnapped? That's who it is in the series, a civilian who does the repair work on the car, never questioning where the money for repairs and parts was coming from since it *is* the Bat, and he had saved the guy at some point.

[@charleshockenbury353]

Bruce, you just got SERVED!

[@mercenaryknight5419]

Well, it was the early 1990s, a different time.....

[@DrakeyC]

7:05 "Alfred, I need to be prepared for the possibility that I need to squeeze in between cars in traffic." "Perhaps some sort of motorcycle, Master Wayne, one that could be built into the Batmobile as a back-up vehicle should it take critical damage?" "Alfred, that would just be stupid."

[@black97_0]

Alfred: "and dressing up as a giant bat, fighting crime, and the only clown who makes your death more painful then Ronald isn't?" Batman: "your point?"

[@MrPeaTearGryfin]

Penguin pallbearers. Army of suicide penguins.Batman straight up frying a guy with the afterburner of the Batmobile. Christopher Walken chewing the scenery. Penguin driving around in a giant rubber ducky. How could anybody NOT love Batman Returns?

[@Kingpin1880]

"Because you will carry your feelings with you... and they are heavy." I don't know if that's an original line or lifted from somewhere else, but I think that's my favourite line of the year.

[@chsparkle]

I love the cat's expression after Bruce takes it into the car, like it's saying 'yep, I'm part of the Bat family now'

[@jfdrac]

BAT CAT

[@fynnthefox9078]

Just be careful when Ace the Bathound comes around

[@YourUncleBenis]

For someone named Shreck... I see a lack of layers.

[@Star-vf8vz]

And he is most certainly not an All-Star.

[@LunaryonSunborn]

@@Star-vf8vz Nor is he like an onion

[@DrZuluGaming]

@@LunaryonSunborn His play time was ogre. ... Was it too on the nose?

[@azzamandreas862]

now thats not very nice.... hes just a jackass!

[@RabblesTheBinx]

@@azzamandreas862 no, that's his sidekick

[@InEachRetellingPodcast]

Oh it's so refreshing to see someone I respect love Batman Returns. I don't have the nostalgia for it you do, having first seen it in college, but I think it's really underrated....and yeah, this comic doesn't sound like it does it any justice. ...and damn Ninja Style Dancer, you just gave me all the feels. I hope things turn out okay with poor Eliza.

[@fynnthefox9078]

Tbh, I used to hate it, but overtime, I've come to love it.

[@the4thwallkid132]

An AT4W Christmas special with Eliza as the main character.....Time to bring out the popcorn again!

[@BlueJaguarRanger]

And the tissues! Dont forget those!

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

Whois Eliza?

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

@@TheInkPitOx I mean, what is her story

[@billygreci9739]

@@ianr.navahuber2195 Dr Linksano gave her life in December 2013 as a Christmas gift to Linkara.

[@sesfilmsllc]

Fun fact. In the movie, Max Schrek was actually suppose to be Two Face. Yeah Billie Dee Williams (Harvey Dent) was suppose to return for this movie. And Selina was suppose to burn only half of his face.

[@sesfilmsllc]

InoMercy speaking of which, Robin Williams was originally casted by Tim Burton to play the Riddler.

[@emseesquared2510]

I've seen rumors of this, but not anything conclusive. Why would the District Attorney, who's supposed to be a good guy at that point, try to gain control of the Mayor so he can install a power-sucking energy plant?

[@emseesquared2510]

@@SonicStantz Ehh, sounds a bit of a stretch. Upholding the law in a city, and building an evil powerplant have nothing to do with each other.

[@jfdrac]

@@emseesquared2510 I am guessing the Power Plant was added only once Shrek was created to give him some motivation. JUST a thought but its been implied that BIG BAD HARV always existed but he kept it in check. Harvey could know the Mayor was corrupt and hampering justice. So he gets Penguin who he thinks is just a simple animal who wants acceptance to use as a pawn not knowing he has his own plans.

[@HypeVoiceActing]

Not gonna lie, this really made me appreciate Returns a lot more than I use to. Especially the parrarels to the villains and Batman that I never picked up on until now. Another great review, Lewis

[@SHcMOOK]

Good lord you've gotten so good at writing your storyline stuff. Between Erin and Linksano in the Clone Saga, and now Ninja Style Dancer and Eliza, this year you've taken all the characters that used to be uninteresting members of Linkara's team and you've made me actually feel for them and enjoy them as characters.

[@Jon_the_Wizard]

Comic writers, just let Bruce and Selina get married. What would be so goddamn bad? Let Batman be happy!

[@SpawnRevenge92]

@@tshoemake5945 Yeah, but Tom King wussed out of that idea.

[@CyberSurferXD]

Hey, if it doesn't work out we can always call Mephisto~

[@Wright805]

Nothing to do with the writers, we have Dan Didio to thank for that. Dan can't stand the idea of superheroes being happy, he thinks their lives have to be miserable at all times. He also seems to enjoy losing money for his company.

[@ShyBiiteVT]

@@tshoemake5945 Yep. In fact, the two had a daughter who would end up becoming the Huntress.

[@Nulthazor]

T Shoemake they could bond over animals

[@ShinoSarna]

I think your analysis of Batman's villain is perfectly sound, and after all - otherwise, it would make no sense why why Catwoman's and Penguin's origins were changed for the movie. I really hate when people talk of 'overanalyzing' movies/stories, as if they weren't meticulously produced works of art that took hours, days and weeks of effort to put together.

[@blondbraid7986]

Exactly, if people don't like movie analysis, no one is forcing them to watch and read reviews. And in the case of Batman Returns, there clearly was a huge amount of thought and effort put into the story and visuals of the movie, and not just obvious visual symbolism like Catwoman's costume getting more and more damaged alongside her psyche, but also subtle stuff like numerous visual references to the german expressionist art movement during the silent film era (the villain, Max Schreck, was even named after the actor who played Nosferatu).

[@averagegamecritic]

Fool! She should know sand is rough and course and gets everywhere!

[@tannerprice2018]

Baffo is best clown.

[@New3DSLuigi364]

First it's Harvey Finevoice in a christmas carol parody with the Ghost of Nostalgic Past, then a fat ghost of Christmas Present, then the Ghost of Future Linkara; What's it gonna be for Eliza the Foam Lizard Puppet; a Look into a world where she never existed; and the King Of Worms took over the world because she never was there to tell Linkara about what she knew; akin to It's A Wonderful Life?!?!!

[@New3DSLuigi364]

maybe, but everyone else would've still been turned into Clockwork Soldiers; leaving ONLY One person left; Linkara, thanks to the entity protecting him from the Shiny Blank mask

[@m.comicman243]

That's actually a good idea.

[@tannerprice2018]

9:35 Yeah, he’s right.....I want a rubber-ducky Mobile.

[@kitestar]

Same

[@Martialartfruituser]

Interestng...while the review basically why the comic sucked, it was also a great examination of why the movie is great and why I love it in spite of it's flaws. While there are some weird bits I can see other people not liking (The sexual remarks, Peguin oozing black ichor, and the slightly confusing motives of Shreck) its not so much those that I notice but the character moments. My favorite is of course Selinia's slow spiral into insanity and how Batman has to cope with the fact that he is alone. Indeed, Linkara is right, Batman Forever has a line that kind of submits his arc and links perfectly with the opening scene... "What are you going to do when you find Two Face and kill him?" "I-" "That's right, you'll find another face, and another, and another, until you find yourself alone, like I was." Maybe, unintentionally, there is a point to Batman killing so much in this film. He just lost the ability to care and is now seeing every face as the Joker without remorse. No longer wishing to connect back to his roots and staying the dark knight, but a killing avenger who has no connection with anyone. It's only until Forever we really get the answer to what Selina said, "Why am I doing this?" Simple, it's not to wipe out crime, but to protect and make sure that he is never alone again. To make sure no other child is alone in front of a grave while it rains. Still have no idea how Batman and Robin connects to this, that movie SUCKS!!!!!! One other thing...I think this movie cut out my favorite line between Alfred and Bruce. Alfred: We have to consider security fixing the Batmobile. Bruce: Security? Who brought Vale into the Batcave? Here I am working and then boom ""Oh hey Viki how's it going."

[@Duothimir]

Linkara explained Batman and Robin's connection to Batman's character arc in his review of that movie's comic adaptation. Basically, it's where Batman learns to accept that there are things beyond his control, and he should cherish the time he has with his new family. Also, puns.

[@xgray2012]

They wanted to water down the movie in a comic book adaptation because off all the dumbass parents' complaints about the actual movie being "too dark and violent" for the kids, even though this is clearly a Tim Burton movie. This is his style. He wants to make everything all dark and wieird in his movies, and we really shouldn't be messing with it.

[@xgray2012]

@@Duothimir Why couldn't they just go for a dramatic tone in Forever and "Batman and Robin" instead of making things all "puns and ass"?!

[@xgray2012]

I think that Batman and Robin is suppose to focus more on Bruce finally embracing the fact that he cannot stop death, especially since he has now started a new family with Alfred and Dick. And while Dick is impulsive and reckless, Bruce is considered that he might get himself killed one day. As for Alfred, he is dying of an illness and Bruce has to accept that death is a part of human nature. I mean, he has been killing lots of criminals in the Tim Burton Batman movies, including avenging his parents' murder by killing the Joker. But, unfortunately, it didn't really solved anything. Bruce's parents are still dead, his relationship with Vicki Vale didn't last very long since he drove her away because of his duel identity and he was left all alone. And that would be a lot more interesting to see in Batman and Robin, if the movie wasn't such a piece of crap, and wasn't focused so much on bad puns, and lame jokes and blatant sexism on Poison Ivy and Batgirl's character designs and personalities.

[@CaptainEnglehorn]

Yeah no that spiral is what made the movie bad. Catwoman in the comics has never had anything resembling a split personality. The closest to that was like a three issue arc in the early 80s where she reformed but the joker used some scientists machine to turn her back into a criminal. Also……she isn’t really a criminal or even antihero in this. Like I mean yes she breaks laws, but she’s not the jewel thief extraordinaire many adults at movies release would have remembered from their childhoods, nor is she the street tough orphan who can stand on her own two feet as she was at the time in comics in 1992. She was some fan fic Burton came up with.

[@MasterSwo]

"You'll carry you feelings with you... and they are heavy." Dude, you have GOT to make that a T-Shirt!

[@Ashannon888]

I must admit, Danny DeVito nailed the Penguin. Whenever I think Penguin, it's him. Not Borgnine or the new one. Always DeVito.

[@DCMarvel2009]

I think you mean Burgess Meredith, but I understand the sentiment. Probably where Dana Snyder (one of Penguin’s more recent voice actors) got SOME inspiration.

[@louche2388]

Frankly, the whole ice princess thing was handled better in the comic. Batman actually tries to save her and it really did make it look like he pushed her from down below

[@G0ATFAC3]

I love it when the other characters get in on the review for a line or two like Linksano did there. Always a lot of fun.

[@shis1988]

I love the fact that the penguin march still makes me hum the song. Even in comic form.

[@S_Echocaster]

What the heck was that at the end?! One: holy crap the ninja style dancer can get really deep all of a sudden when he wants to be, Two: props to the voice actress for Eliza I can really tell what emotions she's feeling even when she's not expressing any facial emotions and Three: Those lights at the end are they turning Eliza human and she's going to join in on next week's review? All these questions and more answered on the next episode of Atop The Fourth Wall.

[@TrueZero2]

My guess is we're getting an 'It's a Wonderful Life' style plot for Eliza.

[@texanfan2777]

Ok I must be forgetting something. Why is eliza mad at linkara?

[@S_Echocaster]

@@texanfan2777 While he was posed by the Entity he cussed her out in front of everybody saying that she was gone for about a year before officially being a part of the team and that like everybody else his friends one way or another had betrayed him before.

[@KidSnivy69]

Christams at AT4W is always an imteresting time

[@det.bullock4461]

It feels like this comic adaptation may have been made with an old screenplay draft aided by some production stills, the change in how Catwoman behaves from the movie seems the kind of thing that may have added in a rewrite with the actor and director's input and I bet a lot of visual flourishes might have been added very late in the game hence why they are mostly missing.

[@BATCHARRO]

The final shot of the Catwoman was a way late addition, which may so explain why Catwoman is both there dead but also not: They where probably working from an earlier cut of the film. But at least it paid off, right? Catwoman's out there somewhere next to the resurrected M. Bison and Angel Shia Lebouf.

[@blondbraid7986]

I always thought it was the culmination of the whole nine lives she mentioned repeatedly throughout the movie, seeing as she had two lives left when she electrocuted herself and Shreck.

[@GregOrCreg]

Shia Lebouf is no angel...

[@15oClock]

I have seen a conversation between a foam lizard and a silent ninja. I don't know what normal is.

[@macuna1995]

I'm now seeing Batman Returns in a whole different and deep way. This show is just so amazing.

[@DarthArachnious]

It turns out Clown College is a diverse curriculum trade school.

[@adeadphish7931]

The fact that there is a second punisher christmas comic both amuses and horrifies me

[@JaguarCats]

One thing that has always bugged me about the movie this comic is based off of is this. How did the penguin manage to get past the Batmobile's defenses? How did he learn the frequency to make the Batmobile roll back it's armor? Where did he even get the plans? This is Batman we're talking about. A man whose infamous for layers of defenses on his stuff and keeping it secret. And you're saying that some how the Penguin just had a way around all of that?

[@AT4W]

It's relatively early enough in Batman's career that he's not hyper-prepared for every possibility. Finding the frequency to open up the batmobile might not be THAT difficult, especially if they were watching him from afar and planning, trying to pick up on what the frequency was, and the little grin they make when they do it implies they might not have known it would actually work and this was their first try. The signal might not even be a code or anything, just detects a radio transmission on that frequency.

[@Pikatwig16]

Who else is happy to finally see the Ninja-Styled Dancer again?

[@Pikachu2Ash]

Um dude we saw hum a couple of times recently before already.

[@Pikatwig16]

@@Pikachu2Ash I mean in a major role

[@xgray2012]

I am.

[@JD24tkg]

The movie was really serious and dark, Burton did the film because he did'nt liked the result of the first one. BR feels like a better film, more personal instead just a movie and trying to explore the characters and story, gives you something. The comic adaptation is not good because not explores the "story", just follows the "plot" and does it on a family friendly tone.

[@Jose-se9pu]

"serious"? it has an army of pinguins with missiles on their backs!

[@YourUncleBenis]

+Coleco 84 Well, those penguins were REALLY serious about deploying their missiles!

[@blondbraid7986]

@@Jose-se9pu Batman Returns has goofy moments for sure, but it also has plenty of dark and serious moments too, such as the Penguin visiting the grave of his parents or Selena and Bruce struggling with their dual natures. One of the best moments in the film is the visual storytelling present when we first see Selena's apartment and it's all pink and there are big neon signs on the wall saying "HELLO THERE" as a cute and whimsical decoration, but later as her mind deteriorate and Selena smashes her apartment she destroy the letters O and T on the sign, making it reflect her new state of mind. Plus there are few other blockbuster superhero movies that continuously references silent film-era German Expressionism in it's visuals.

[@JD24tkg]

I respect opinions because is interesting many points of view. So i will say my opinion: For me the first film is good i really like it but i can see why Burton did'nt liked it, after rewatch it i feel the main focus was the joker/jack nicholson because is colorful and funny but also is insane. That is not bad in fact makes Batman/Bruce an even more mysterious guy since his origin is revealed at the half of the movie, and helps the fact you see more Bruce than Batman on the film. Besides is great many remember it as a retro thing, a big blockbuster, there was a "batmania" The second film is more like a "DC film" meanwhile the first film is a "Batman film"

[@nostalgicarchives9463]

6:41 Why does that line make me so happy, thank you Linkara

[@VGJustice]

Man. Ninja Style Dancer dropped a truth bomb like none other. I approve.

[@brokenhaloking]

So batman never has to chase motorcyclists who can easily fit down alleyways?

[@EuclideanAl]

I was so surprised to see Lewis sprawled out on the couch at 6:17. He's more of a spoken joke guy, he rarely uses the space available to him... Though I admit there isn't a ton of it available to begin with ^^'

[@IronicSnap]

Ninja Style Dancer is a good and wise friend, always a pleasure to see him

[@samuelbarber4154]

Reminds me of the Dark Knight Rises, Bruce and Selina dancing at a party.

[@jagarcia0705]

*Bafo:* (honks horn) *Linkara:* No Bafo, i have no plans to review Exo-Squad. *Bafo:* (honks horn) *Linkara:* I realize Exo-Squad is the most underrated cartoon from the 90's, but SFDeris already reviewed it. *Bafo:* (honks horn) *Linkara:* I could put my own creative spin on Exo-Squad, but choose not to. Keep bugging me about it & I'll watch the movie IT. *Bafo:* (thumb touches nose) *Linkara:* Did you just say the "F" word? *Bafo:* (honks horn) *Linkara:* Oh you were just flipping me off, that's ok...wait, what?

[@Thierrothierro]

14:00 Hey, smiling Clark Kent in the background!

[@nathanmarshall745]

Makes you wonder.... Does the ninja style dancer just keep a bunch of cue cards for conversations he figures will happen or does he just write them super quick, like a ninja?

[@TheEmeraldWeirdo]

Cool! We're finally going to get some character development for Eliza!

[@Nightwing9597]

19:04 Well!!! This storyline went from 0 to 1000 in about 4 seconds!!!!!

[@BartmanBegins]

So... Does that mean the poodle from this movie being considered one of Batman's greatest enemies is gonna be a running gag like with rock 'n roll and One-Face? If so, I'm totally okay with that.

[@deltaprime3509]

Great videos to start off the holiday season for atop the fourth wall and interesting Christmas storyline.

[@petermcaulay4647]

Poor Eliza! But I like that Ninja-Style Dancer talked to her and tried to help sort her feelings out, and I can relate to feeling like you don't belong. I'm 20, I don't have a part-time job, I live with my parents, and everything I do something nice or positive, I end up ruining things for everybody. At the beginning of next year, what can I do?

[@AT4W]

Pick yourself up and start again. You've just got to learn from your mistakes and keep at it. Hone the skills you're good at, and try to improve. You're young and you've got a lot of life ahead of you - don't feel like you need it all figured out at 20. I certainly didn't. =)

[@petermcaulay4647]

Thank you for your advice and support, Linkara you really know how to brighten my day! Whatever comes in the new year, I'll grit my teeth, pick myself up, and face it together, whether it be with family, friends or myself, I'll be ready for it! In fearful day, in racing night, with strong hearts full, our souls ignite, when all seems lost in the war of light, look to the stars, for hope burns bright! Merry Christmas!

[@francescobirsaalessandri3992]

This only made me realize how much i still love this movie. It's the perfect Batman story (along with Arkham Asylum - A Serious House...). Made me cry. Fuck.

[@thomaspalazzolo5902]

So to back up Boffo's objection to Linkara's rant about tech whiz circus clowns... I am indeed a clown, and I have a PhD in artificial intelligence. I should really look into that whole robot army circus troupe thing.

[@Wanderingsage7]

I think this might be the first time The Penguin has been on AT4W.

[@AT4W]

You might actually be right! Never thought of that.

[@MrZerothejedi]

AAHAHAHA!!! "I much preferred Miss Vale, sir. This is *all* your fault."

[@BuddyL]

Love that you played the Siouxsie and The Banshees song as much as you could.🎶

[@redtutel]

I’m glad they brought back the two used used characters: Baffo and Ninja Style Dancer

[@docette2015]

A shame the comic adaptation doesn't live up to the movie -- seems like they were more interested in getting the "fun" scenes done over the ones that helped expand everyone's characters and motivations. "Batman Returns" sounds like a good movie and it really deserved better from the adaptation. . . .Eliza's been around for five years?! Holy crap, I had no idea it had BEEN that long. I don't blame her for feeling kind of adrift amidst the chaos that is Linkara's life. And still being sour over some of the crap that's been pulled by the various characters. Nice to see a return of the Ninja-Style Dancer too. (And Boffo, of course, but he doesn't seem to be part of the storyline.) It's surprising how tender the conversation between them was. Now off to watch the Punisher review to see where this is all going. . .

[@AirCanMaster]

It'd be cool if the ninja disappearing smoke bomb at the end was less "boom" explosive and more wistfully toned, but with a bit of noise level and expedience. I would probably make it soft, like a down pillow or something.

[@tamariomartin9080]

This made me appreciate the movie even more now.

[@Arthus850]

Hey, Boffo learned a new word. It used to be just Honk, and now it's Squeak.

[@SpawnRevenge92]

Batman throwing the explosive in the sewer is a lot more appropriate for the character. One change I liked in this.

[@TerryB01]

Good moment with Eliza and Ninja Style Dancer.

[@MsTwinkle101]

All these years And I never realized Christopher Walken was in this movie cry 😭😭😭

[@jfdrac]

Thats .....impossible

[@wdcain1]

How is it in 3 _Lego Batman_ games, we've never once gotten the Yellow Ducky Mobile? That totally blows!

[@alphamegazulu6654]

Now I'm just wondering when we're getting that Catwoman movie adaptation reviewed?

[@171QA]

@11:23, I swear the seal statue's tail looks like it's doing the "who has two thumbs... this guy!" gesture. Was that intentional or not? XD

[@gracekim1998]

Also because I keep hearing sherk, I must : 🎶somebody once told me the world was gonna roll me🎶🤣

[@zephurwallace9560]

6:38 You could say that penguin played the city like a damn fiddle!

[@KenshiImmortalWolf]

I do have to wonder where ninja style dancer is keeping all his chat cards.

[@garrisonmoncher5461]

Ninjaspace maybe like hammerspace but for ninjas

[@mattwo7]

Ninja Style Dancer's smoke bombs have actual _explosives_ in them?! And here I thought ninjas just packed combustible metsubushi eggshells full of eye irritants.

[@tykamen5588]

Who knew ninja style dancer can drop some deep crap

[@cherry-cj9iq]

"Sexily unconscious" killed me, I'm just rewatching these and I'm having way too much fun OH YEAH, THIS HAD LORE TOO! Oooooooo… this is so 👀

[@chaoticlady_fairy]

oh, Linkara have you not heard of flappy bob ? he's a clown, a successful businessman, and a lawyer!

[@ghostwarrior3878]

Can't wait to see your review of the Batman Forever comic adaptation

[@Savagewolver]

Linkara should do birthday parties.

[@348joey]

The smoke bomb seems less "ninja-y" and more "demonic summon-y". I'm not complaining; I just thought it was kinda funny.

[@Nerom99]

This was my favorite Batman film. It still is.

[@georgeweber5333]

The Missile Penguins thing was in the serious Batman movie, right?

[@Maniac536]

Thank you for not doing the overused bit about “how did the penguin get the plans for the batmobile?” And instead doing a much more original bit. I actually did an entire video explaining several theories about how the penguin could have gotten those plans but even I’m stumped how the clowns could have been such great engineers and electricians

[@mutalord]

a christmas story: Foam Edition

[@MAMoreno]

Between Batman Returns and Batman v Superman, the lesson seems to be, "If you want Warner Bros. to let you make the third part of your big superhero character arc, don't make the second film too dark and bizarre for mainstream audiences." #releasetheburtoncut :p

[@shis1988]

10:20 wasted opportunity to use "Penguins march on Gotham".

[@bioncledudes4life]

Only Linkara can make me feel for a sentient foam lizard in 2018....wait, its 2019 for me. GAAAAAAAAAAASP

[@naotatheendlessesper]

well come to atop the christmas tree where bad chrismas presents burn

[@bthsr7113]

I think you've convinced me to watch the movie, not the comic, but you.

[@nolanmcbride5653]

Have you ever listened to the songs Jim Steinman wrote for the Batman musical fell through? It would have been based on the first two Batman movies.

[@leephillips4402]

When is the mayor of Gotham ever not ineffective

[@autobotproductions1244]

Ok, now I want Linkara to review that Catwoman comic. who's with me?

[@mitchfletcher2386]

Aye!

[@eamonndeane587]

To quote The Muppet Christmas Carol, "ABSOLUTELY!"

[@eamonndeane587]

He's going to review it this month.

[@jamesadamsfl]

The scene with Selina and Bruce dancing is beautiful, but I always thought it was hurt by Bruce’s insistence that Selina not kill Max. It always came off as hypocritical, given how this version of Batman kills bad guys with glee. This is one of the reasons Batman should NOT kill people. It makes him a more nuisanced character and adds more depth and complexity to his interactions with other, more bloodthirsty characters. It also makes it less weird that the police are willing to work with him (apparently the cops in Gotham don’t mind if civilians take the law into their own hands and act as judge, jury, and executioner). The movie was so much better. On the other hand, good work with the voices, Linkara!

[@mercenaryknight5419]

Not quite, as when he does "kill" usually it is because he has no other option from all I saw.

[@jamesadamsfl]

No, the writers and director and other such folks said they prefer Batman using lethal force (in fairness, the screenwriter’s excuse was that Gotham was so messed up at this point that it was a necessity). If that wasn’t enough, Batman SMILED before he blew that clown guy up, and you can’t tell me he didn’t have other options to deal with him. In fact, Batman usually does have options beyond killing people ( though, in fairness, I’ll give killing Joker a pass, since Bruce was hanging from a ledge at that point). Also, the first movie never clarified whether or not he purposefully let Jack Napier fall into the acid, which is a bad move when Bruce saw a video recording of Gordon saying Napier could help them take down Grissom. I get that this version of Batman is hardening back to the Golden Age And is meant to be more mentally damaged, and I do like the character overall, but the killing is not handled well.

[@JD2390]

@@jamesadamsfl you mean the bronze age right? Because the Golden age Batman is all about trying to make the world a better place, this does not mean that he didn't kill at that time but his motivation to fight crime was not because he was psychologically traumatized and wanted revenge or things like this. If you do not believe me go watch the review of Robin's origin that Linkara made.

[@jamesadamsfl]

Actually, thinking about that, I totally agree; psychologically, this Batman is more like the Bronze Age even if his methodology is more Golden Age (willing to kill, living off old money instead of running Wayne Enterprises or whatever the heck the name of Bruce’s company is, and a little less tech-heavy than he was in the Silver Age and the Adam West show, at least in the first movie)

[@SpeedyEric1]

0:33- Reminds me of the ending of National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation. 1:34- About as much as The Spirit wants to romance Central City. Since the release of Batman Begins, I've wondered how the hell Penguin got his hands on the Batmobile's blueprints. Did he bribe someone at Wayne Enterprises' applied sciences division? *EXPLAIN, MOVIE! EXPLAIN!!* 5:13- Still better than Sean Young. =D 7:36- Along with saying that all Mexicans are rapists. What? No "GARBAGE DAY!" reference with the umbrella machine gun scene? 9:38- Yeah, Hot Wheels made a 1:50 scale toy version of The Penguin Duck. 10:26- At least, according to Alfred in the Justice League movie, Penguin updated to using *exploding wind up* penguins instead of real ones. 14:43- Fun fact: Catwoman's head in the final shot, according to the DVD special features, was a last minute thing the filmmakers did before they released it to theaters. I love the addition of Alfred-kara to go along with Bat-kara in this episode. BTW, looking forward to seeing a possible review of the Catwoman movie comic on the Comic Adaptation Month you've got planned. 17:12- Well, with a sub-par comic adaptation like Batman Returns...it's working.

[@MrXemnas1992]

14:30-14:36 had me howling with laughter xD

[@animefan25]

Do you think the writers of this movie were inspired by the episode of the 60s Batman series where the Penguin ran for mayor?

[@gracekim1998]

Wait…if there’s a mini Christmas arc…is there a reason it’s not on the compilation list?😅 15.10.22

[@richmcgee434]

11:19 Randomly shredding costume? She probably got her outfit from the same person who provided Empowered's supersuit. Speaking of which, where's that Empowered review? What've you got against Adam Warren? :)

[@shadowreaperjb]

fun fact: there where mistletoe flavored chocolate bars called "galaxy mistletoe kisses" in the UK back in 2007

[@ShyRanger]

Wow, seeing Boffo more than twice in a single review. It's a Christmas Miracle!

[@spider-fan842]

i always did like the movie, but this review made me like it more, thanks linkara.

[@eddieboyky]

Boffo! I need more Boffo in my life. And Ninja Style Dancer.

[@dragonstormx]

Even with the ideas you bring up, I am still not a fan of the movie. Despite Batman having gained nothing from getting his revenge on the Joker, he still gleefully kills members of Penguin's gang when he doesn't need to. Yet he still goes and tells Catwoman to kill Shreck. Thanks to Batman killing people it just makes him look like a giant hypocrite. Hell he's proven wrong about letting Shreck go since right after he does, Shreck shoots and nearly kills him and Catwoman. Is this movie trying to say that revenge is wrong or not? Because Catwoman outright states Shreck has hurt far more people than just her and he deserves to die for it. Batman's only counter is that revenge won't make Catwoman fell any better, despite having killed people earlier in the movie. And because of the whole argument, they both get shot while Catwoman marching towards Shreck despite her bullet wounds is played up as a moment of awesome where we should be cheering for her. Something wasn't an issue in the original movie that became more of an issue here is that Tim Burton didn't like Batman as a character, hence giving more focus to the villain. That worked in the original movie by setting up Batman as a very mysterious character, but in this he just feels like a bit player in his own movie. He only gets a couple scenes with Selina to set up their dynamic, and in the climax he's practically deus ex machina who exists to easily and anticlimactically thwart all the Pengiun's plans in quick succession. If the Penguin's last two schemes were going to get thwarted so easily, then what was the point of having them? The Penguin, didn't gel with me. It feels like Tim Burton was going too far on trying to make him a monstrous character and a sympathetic character. We are supposed to sympathize with him, but despite his backstory the Penguin spends most of his screen time being a complete jerk to everyone around him, even his adopted family. We even see him nearly send all his penguins to their death, before suddenly acting like he cares about them even though again, he even though he sent them all to get blown up. This movie I feel is a case of what can go wrong when you give a director to much freedom. Tim Burton being allowed to do whatever he pleased after the original movie meant he included a lot more bizarre shit with the feeling he was doing so because he could, and further demoting the film's title character to the side lines in favor of the movie's villains, the only one of which I liked was Catwoman. Also, that Catwoman movie. Argh. Regardless of what anybody thinks of my post, we can all agree that movie is garbage. The only way these adaptations of comic movies could get any worse is if Linkara had to review an adaptation of Fan4stic.

[@ghidorah15]

I have to say I agree. The movie is too fundamentally flawed; like you said, Burton doesn't like Batman as a character, and it hurts the story.

[@voicedubgaming2286]

I actually liked the Catwoman movie but yeah it was garbage. And why the hell did they not even have that /be/ Selina? Not even kidding it's some girl named Patience Phillips that basically has happen to her what Selina went through here. What was the point?

[@jfdrac]

@@voicedubgaming2286 My guess is the movie was not planned to be an offical Catwoman movie but then was made into one. Kind of like how POTC 4 was an entirely differn movie/book and they just added Johnny Depp to it

[@Missing-Peace]

5:08 One more and I get an ice cream sundae.

[@melainakiss]

I like the retro feel of the artwork. You gotta do the Halle Berry Catwoman comic and that’s coming from the only fan of the movie.

[@Batmanbeyyond]

Linkara when you review the comic adaption of batman forever please play kiss from a rose for the intro! !