I replaced my $13K Home Theatre with a SOUNDBAR

[@Batyalas]

Me with 10$ earphones: "hmm, yes, I hear the difference"

[@michaelbuckers]

Wired earplug buds easily give you the best performance. It's very easy for them to generate big fat bass and simultaneously very high tweets. They can also be extremely loud. As long as you have your equalizer tuned for the buds, they sound completely perfect. Best of all, they are cheap, don't weigh anything, comfortable to wear for extended periods of time, and will never bother your neighbours.

[@terryburke4932]

LOL

[@Vortigon]

@@michaelbuckers You are either completely ignorant about audio or you are joking.. not quite sure which.

[@jackielinde7568]

I'm watching this on a Samsung UN32N5300AF Television using the build in speakers. I'm in the same boat with you.

[@EhEhEhEINSTEIN]

My phone speakers really did the side-by-side comparison justice. /s

[@360Fov]

I love how "soundbar" is quickly becoming "3.1+ speaker setup".

[@zdravkodimitrov]

3.2 😂

[@ocularcavity8412]

3.4 if you think like NakaMichi LOL but seriously with how BIG that sound bar is and the size of the Surrounds and Subs you might as well go with an AVR and SAVE space and MONEY, which ELIMINATES the only good thing about sound bars. They sound better than a TV by itself worse than a full Home Theater System but take up less space and cost less and both of those are NOT a thing with this sounds bar. I have Two 7.1 AVR's with the 14 speakers and 2 subs to go with them and this sound bar cost more that all that COMBINED and my speakers and subs are from Polk, JBL and SVS

[@gclip9883]

@@ocularcavity8412 Especially because that soundbar isn't just massive, it is also kinda ugly. For the same price, you could easily get a 5.1.2 with a nicer build quality and looks, while having better sound. Maybe even a 7.1.2 honestly. And that one would include room correction. Looks and ease of use (room correction) are probably the two main reasons why people get soundbars in the first place, and this thing fails at both.

[@ocularcavity8412]

@@gclip9883 ABSOLUTELY!!!

[@jaystarr6571]

12.12.12 *(!!)*

[@keelysmash]

I thought someone blew 80% of their AMD tech upgrade on a fuckin soundbar

[@oreomilk2]

Me too 😭

[@LegionRRTX]

someone? it'd be Dan obviously when he gets his chance...

[@sephondranzer]

I’m sure you just inspired somebody at LTT 😂

[@jackielinde7568]

No, but stay tuned to see if Linus discovers it in someone's home. ;)

[@jackielinde7568]

@@LegionRRTX I thought Dan was an audiophile. Also, didn't they already did Dan's house in the AMD Tech Upgrade? But stuff seems to walk away from the LTT warehouse, so I'm sure it'll end up in SOMEBODY'S house when Linus comes over. Might be a raffle prize for their xmas party.

[@Longshot1056]

One thing I always think about when it comes to theater setups is that good speakers stay good. I helped my parents buy their modest setup nearly 15 years ago. Got them some good Klipsch speakers and a modest Yamaha Receiver. Many many years and few moves later the receiver crapped out. Went ahead and got another modest receiver and they were back up and running with minimal investment. If the sub died, we could just get a replacement sub. Any of the speakers finally fail we can just replace them individually or in pairs or the like. If the sound bar fails you're now having to buy an entire sound bar again. Which if its a $200 cheapo Vizio one then sure not a big deal, but if its a $1000 - $4500 kit then that's gonna be a bad time.

[@DxCBuG]

good point - though a decent receiver already runs you about 400 bucks or more right... i just bough a soundbar with Atmos second hand for that money 😅

[@PeterPanarchy]

I bought all my speakers used and have an amazing setup. 7.1 with Aperion speakers and an SVS sub for $1,200.

[@Tater_Lord]

​@dewdmcman4321yes but they aren't any where near as user friendly to fix I have an ancient set of Philips towers speakers and I've replaced the both the main drivers and tweeters over the years after accidentally blowing them out and all I needed was a Philips head screwdriver, last time I opened a dead soundbar it was a Sony one it still has screes but also numerous plastic clips that a few broke while opening it and it never goes back together quite right, parts are also much harder to come by for soundbars. Overall if you have the money invest in a proper sound system and treat it well it'll outlast any soundbar be cheaper to fix/replace individual components

[@Slay1337pl]

@dewdmcman4321 Yeah, unless someone chooses to cover the electronics in a black blob, the chip craps out, the firmware bricks itself or the driver burns up. Good luck trying to find the same speaker driver these use in 10- years.

[@cinnabuns9469]

Meanwhile me with that $200 Vizio soundbar and woofer. Lol

[@1birdwatcherr]

Sooo.... it's not a soundbar. It's a full surround sound speaker setup... with a soundbar.

[@lexecomplexe4083]

Thats pretty typical for a mid to high end soundbar to come with other speakers

[@PTRRanger951]

That’s what a sound bar is for the most part.

[@maxkeller4848]

even pretty cheap soundbars often come with a subwoofer

[@codykey2508]

@@maxkeller4848yeah even my ONN. from walmart came with a sub.. that i blew 2 hours later listening to heavy metal😂

[@aaronb9630]

Any true Atmos soundbar needs at least 2 rear and 4 upward drivers. The good ones have a side drivers on the rears as well for 7.1.

[@Soren64able]

Definitely recommend going diy. I started 2.1 with an $80 receiver and 2 sony towers for like $100. Now, a few years later I have a 5.2 system ready to upgrade to atmos (5.2.2) as soon as I'm ready to upgrade the receiver. But I'm no more than like $500-$600 dollars in and it still beats any soundbar in that range

[@someoneridesmountainbikes2355]

For an average person, a high end Samsung package with satellite speakers is all you’d ever need

[@IuriRocha-l3z]

@@someoneridesmountainbikes2355 myself owning a 990c. Im really ok wt it, I know its limitations tho

[@TiesiogJazokas]

@@someoneridesmountainbikes2355 you talking about hw q990d?

[@QuickQuips]

Ha. You predicted the future.

[@tavi679]

My Dad is an Audiophile, he’s spent roughly 40/45,000 dollars on sound equipment. His set up is kick ass but goddamn, that’s a whole ass car

[@robthegobbler]

$4000 is a whole ass car lol

[@tavi679]

@@robthegobbler you’re not wrong 💀

[@alexisrivera200xable]

The Audiophile market segment is the most blatant example of the term diminishing returns. It's not entirely a scam, but the difference between these systems is negligible for the asking prices, and there is a bunch of outright scammers thriving in the market.

[@havoc6021]

​@@alexisrivera200xable not sure dude. My setup is all custom made by myself. Worked for JBL, turbosound and precision devices for a few years so all hand picked from voicecoil, through to cabinet material. It's epic but after I heard a 145k linn audio setup I was left a bit gutted my setup wasn't a linn. Mine cost me peanuts as built from scratch and tested myself but in comparison I could never see myself parting with money that could buy a house

[@LeePrzy]

Was your whole ass car

[@smashishere]

this video felt very quick, at the end i was like "wait its over?"

[@BobbyJones650]

Yeah, and and couldn't help feeling that Linus appeared a bit more distracted/distant/preoccupied in this one when he is normally a bit more invested on camera overall.

[@crisscrossam]

I felt the same. It was a pretty direct review and comparison, which i'm not against honestly. If anything i prefer that for anyone looking to buy this product.

[@TheMaxi98King]

⁠@@BobbyJones650which is okay, he's still human after all, all of us are going through deep waters some times…

[@xGaLoSx]

@@BobbyJones650 not that deep bro.

[@Skradgee]

Linus: How can anyone spend $4000 on a sound bar? Audiophiles: Hold my money

[@Alias_Anybody]

Audiophiles somehow made it in the top ten list of craziest -philes without breaking a single law in the process.

[@yaboibilly7433]

​@Alias_Anybody hidden gem of a comment 🤣

[@orlagh277]

audiophiles will spend 4000 on a wire

[@thephoenixking3242]

Audiophiles don't like soundbars, and that's the point. Audiophiles will spend money on speakers. Most soundbars are terrible compared to audiophile speakers. They are mostly a cheaper (but not cheap) option for those that don't care enough to buy a proper system. Please delete your comment, as it completely misses the point.

[@ItsMeLuke69]

The meaning is, it's a sound bar. Audiophiles know sound bars have poor sound quality when compared to tower speakers of similar price.

[@PeterPanarchy]

I always love the home theater content! One benefit with the DIY setup is you can buy used! There are good reasons to buy new with a receiver, but unlike other tech a high end speaker 20 years ago is still a high end speaker today. I have a killer 7.1 setup with an SVS sub and Aperion speakers for $1,200. Add in the Marantz receiver, which I bought new, and a used Emotiva amp and I'm at $2,700 for a truly amazing audio experience. And I pieced this together over a few years. I bought 5 of the speakers and the receiver at the same time, but skipped the sub because I was in an apartment. After moving to a house I added the sub, then a few months later the rear surrounds. Shortly after that I added the amp because the receiver couldn't power everything.

[@dennisjungbauer4467]

Good point, and yeah, agree that what used to be high-end back then, still is, practically at least. There have been improvements made, but more on the specs side, like SNR I noticed. What sounded great still sounds great and it's not like there were no great speakers back then. I actually have the feeling that the good stuff is rarer and more expensive nowadays..

[@TheFourthWinchester]

Sound systems somehow have not had prices lowered in decades for the same quality unlike all other tech. Its just pure greed.

[@Massivecarcrash]

The hoffman iron law of speaker design still reigns true, if you want big, loud and deep, you got to go big and powerfull. For most people who just watch tv and the occational movie, soundbars is a huge step up from tv inbuilt audio. And the technology has come a long way, I've heard several soundbars that are impressive, even down in the more modest budget to mid tier range. But, once you need that power and loudness, most soundbars get harsh, thin or even audibly distorts with the usually small 8" subwoofer chuffing and bottoming out. So if you want a really full, powerfull and deep sound with clarity all the way up to 11, you need to go with fullsized, traditional speakers. But if you live in an apartment where you can never flex the power of your audio gear, soundbars go a long way.

[@gordonfreeman5682]

My friend runs dual 18" ultimax in the apartment and we got shut down for watching Fury Road

[@gclip9883]

I would still go with traditional speakers in an apartment, because soundbars usually depend on the subwoofer for lower mids and upper bass. Without the sub, almost every soundbar (including this one) will sound terrible, while even a pair of bookshelfs with 7-inch woofers will still be able to reproduce those lower frequecnies.

[@NegativeROG]

Everybody, be on the look out for old "component" stereo systems, the kind you used to see in the 70's/80's with stacked individual components, in a wood cabinet with a glass front, and a phonograph on top. They usually come with a pair of HUGE speakers, and those speakers tend to be pretty amazing. I have Sanyo SS-1040's, they stand 3' tall, and sound incredible, and they came from my grandmother's old component system from '76 or so. Things like that can often be found at a yard sale, or if someone passes, the family may be willing to part with "old tech". My Sanyo speakers can shake my entire house from end to end, and rattle the glass in the windows. And back then, shit was built to last. I put a 2x12 board across the tops of my speakers, and four 250-pound guys used that as a scaffold. The speakers are fine, but the board is so bowed that if I found some rope, I could launch 2x4 "arrows" across my lawn. PRESERVE OLD TECH!!!

[@TAPS147]

Slightly misleading title though because it isn’t just the soundbar … The Dragon set includes both subs and surrounds. The sonos arc set, if you add an extra sub, is pretty much the same price so that would be an interesting comparison if you get the chance

[@TheFPSPower]

I doubt an adicional sub would save the Sonos Arc, the soundbar raw power and size difference is just massive

[@CharaiABC]

And compare it to the cost savings on the Samsung q990d. Well reviewed by rtings and as low as +1000$ Edit: I’d note that the nakamichi doesn’t have room correction like the rest, so that’s also for consideration edit: typos

[@pcmasterracetechgod5660]

Yeah no clue what the point of this video is, it's not just a soundbar lol

[@Metal_Maxine]

The FP title is "A Home Theatre In a Box" which is probably more accurate as to what the company is aiming at.

[@jeffbest25]

they should klipsch speakers at the end, i think they should compare it to the klipsch cinema 1200 sound bar set. its the best sound bar I've own

[@MultiJonsson]

B&O be like "hold my beer" and release the theatre 10 549$

[@kelmanl4]

B&O for when aesthetics are your everything and you don't even think about price.

[@busterscrugs]

damned if it isn't the prettiest soundbar i've ever seen

[@CHSTechnologies]

@@kelmanl4 Aesthetics over functionality. I work for a B&O Store and a lot of people complain about the remote (not included, costs CHF 400) for being too small and having no backlights for the keys. There are also a lot of complaints about the way how you replace the battery. Its super fuggly, because the back of the remote is made out of one piece of metal and you need to use a paper clip to open it.

[@kelmanl4]

@@CHSTechnologies they left the importance of sound and functionality area about two decades ago. If you have 7k to spend on a soundbar then you probably have enough to replace the remote if you mess it up is their theory. What's the warranty on the high end stuff? I know my headphones only got two years. I own a pair of H9s and the build quality is spectacular like it's perfect even after four years it's still in almost new condition and I've dropped them down a flight of stairs.

[@costafilh0]

At least it's B&O, so you can expect good audio and a premium finish. Not some back from the dead brand. But there are many other options, including better sounding ones, for way less money.

[@Eli-zb2yj]

Title: How could anyone spend $4000 on soundbar? Linus: I get it for free

[@Eilaithen1]

Bad comment

[@jackielinde7568]

@@dorian6021 If you ask the FTC or the FCC (can't remember which regulates this), you'd still need to do full disclosures and handle the video as if they did sponsor the video. While Linus did disclose that Nakamichi did send them the soundbar for review (which they're supposed to), it's also supposed to be posted in a way that the viewer cannot avoid it and Nakamichi can't hide it. But LTT is a Canadian company, so I don't know how much they're beholden to US agencies?

[@jackielinde7568]

@@dorian6021 The issue is that while no actual money changed hands, a thing of value did. So it's not just Money, but also Money Equivalent. It's important to know, since even gifting someone a review sample or copy could be seen as a way to influence people. One of the reasons smaller influencers are often afraid to speak negatively about a product they received for free is that the manufacturer can often turn off that pipeline. And the US Government (I still think it's the FTC and not the FCC) says that consumers need to know if there is ANY influence on their opinions in any way, even if the money isn't in cold, hard cash. Ask Steve at GamersNexus or Stepphanie of the Jimqusition why they buy everything they test and/or review.

[@darrellreed7044]

Dragon!!!

[@Quantum-Bullet]

A write off ;)

[@Barbarapape]

After over 50 years as an A/V tech i have learned one thing, that is to recreate the sound that blows you away in a cinema you have to move air, lots of it and you can't do that with smaller drivers no matter how many you have. The very best soundbars are good, but realy stuggle against a full seperates system, and ceiling mounted effects drivers are a must for a true atmos experience. Relying on bouncing the sound off the ceiling is just not the same.

[@A-stray42]

*Laughs in $50 yard sale Polk soundbar with subwoofer*

[@daxtheducknotaffiliated]

Polk is great though, guaranteed to be good. You get more authenticity with Polk :)

[@Dukes3677]

​@daxtheduck4686 until the sound bar kills it's self. Had it happen with 2 seperate ones

[@TheJohn8765]

I've assembled multiple HQ surround systems by buying used. They kick ass for hundreds of dollars, not thousands. I strongly recommend buying used if you know a little bit about audio and have patience.

[@A-stray42]

@@Dukes3677 Mine's been back to the factory once, for exactly almost that. They caught it in time and had it RMR'd

[@cloudy4872]

I have a free Yamaha amp, old polk subwoofer, and a $14 pair of bookshelf speakers for my setup.

[@v-modsolutions6946]

I own one and love the sound with both music and surround...best compliment to my qm8 and easy, simple setup and use. Any system that sounds good will easily surpass 3400.00 and will occupy much more real-estate in ur room. IMO

[@Nderak]

how many times do they change shirts

[@BigOleCaddy]

I was looking for this comment 😂

[@casen_7349]

Hair too

[@aaronwilson4258]

Why'd he change shirts at 6:56?

[@gerardomorales151]

@@aaronwilson4258 my thoughts exactly

[@TheMrHotwheels]

folded ribbon tweeters are legit but there's no replacement for displacement soundbars will never be able to compete with dedicated speakers, especially in the mids like linus mentioned

[@MuhammadKharismawan]

I really think the future is in Sony's implementation, 4 separate speakers with kickass 360 software setup and a mother box. People just can't let go of the discreet soundbar look tho.

[@HaydenDietzman-ne3lb]

THIS. Soundbars are no where close to dedicated speakers. Imagine if you spent $4000 on dedicated speakers instead of this soundbar.

[@gclip9883]

@@MuhammadKharismawan It's weird to me because a soundbar is far more ugly in my opinion than a set of bookshelf speakers in the color white or even a real-wood veneer.

[@gclip9883]

Yeah, this is something that no soundbar can get around of. You need 5-inch or 7-inch woofers to properly reproduce those mid- and upperbass-frequencies. This also allows the sub to be freed up so that it only does bass and doesn't have to help out in stuff like people's voices. And a soundbar like this that is comically large and butt-ugly completely defeats the purpose while not improving that much over cheaper models. At that point, a dedicated home-theater-setup with room-correction makes so much more sense.

[@MuhammadKharismawan]

@@gclip9883 sadly so far more reviews are just showing that the dragon isn't good enough for the bulk and bad build quality it provides. You can just see Linus' expression in the video that he ain't impressed. Contrast that with his older videos with the HT-A9 and you can see the difference. The Dragon over promised, and underdelivered.

[@BrianTheMighty]

I have to say that the team at LMG does a GREAT job with producing such high quality videos that we can watch for free. The editors, the shooters, the hosts, writers etc.... You all makes it look so effortless, which I KNOW it isn't. I never really thought of the production value until I watched other channels like J2C, GN and others. LTT has MUCH higher production value in my opition. I am not saying that the other channels mentions are terrible and unwatchable, I am just saying that LTT has higher production quality. If you take 1 video per 6 months from the beginning of the channel until now, you can really see how much LTT has progressed in terms of quality. Please never stop making such awesome videos. And also, awesome work from the accounting department so they there is money for Linus to spend on things to review so we don't have to! And Sales for generating the money And all the other departments for doing awesome work

[@branscombe_]

been watching Linus since 2009 during NCIX days, so proud of how far you’ve come and not even having aged a day

[@mycosys]

I wonder where he keeps the painting?

[@slowanddeliberate6893]

Millennials don't age.

[@presencedistribution1081]

I watched the review….not a Naka fanboy or guy that feels the need to defend my purchase. That said, this was a very misleading and slanted review at best. At worst, I think that you may not have spent the proper amount of time setting up the Dragon for the characteristics of the room that it’s in. I actually have a full 7.4.4 Atmos system in my media room with 4 SVS Ultra Towers, 1 Ultra center 4 SVS Subs (2 PB2000’s/2PB1000’s) and Def Tec Speakers for Height and Accent running thru a Denon 6700 AVR with Help from a 5 Channel Emotiva Amp. Out of the box, I was disappointed with the Dragon as I unfairly compared the two. I spent a great deal of time specccing out and optimizing my media room system and NO time tweaking the Dragon system. I set it up based on recommendations made by the owners manual. After tweaking a few settings (crossover, speaker distances, levels) and playing with sub and surround speaker placement, I sincerely feel the Dragon does an amazing job vs my media room system which probably cost close to $20K. It’s not better, but it’s pretty damn good. I’m at the point where I nor my family members have a preference for where we settle down for family movie night. That’s a big deal because the full systems are paired to 150 and 144” screens vs the Dragon which is mated to a 100” U8K. If I were doing it over….im not sure I’d do the full system. The Dragon gets me 85%?of the sound at 15% of the cost of my full system. They key in all this is tweaking the Dragon to fit the characteristics of your room. I actually considered returning the Dragon after using the initial setup suggestions from the owners manual settings. I found a group of people on FB that really help me dial it in. I truly love this thing now!

[@misbehave7041]

The Facebook Owners group is a lifesaver!

[@HassanGillani-el9xf]

Can you guys share information about that group. I literally got my dragon today and honestly was expecting more. How can I fine tune it? Thanks

[@28cjohns]

Bingo, you hit the nail square on the head. Sounds like we run in a similar circle. I have a full home theater, 7.2.4, driven by Anthem and Marantz for sound and power, B&W's all around, with exception to Golden Ears for the rears, and two JL Audio Subs. The system can flat out move sound and get one real deep into a movie-audio track. Then I spent a ton of time on sound acoustics, which I think in the end, probably matters as much as anything else. Top Gun Maverick, I can hear a pin drop in any scene, if it's in the movie. Upstairs in the main great room, we have a Sonos Arc, Gen 2 sub, and the 300's for side-rear. And while I can clearly hear the difference, TGM still sounds damn good. Obviously no sound bar can carve out the separation a dedicated system can, but exactly as you pointed out, nobody is bummed out when in our great room with the soundbar. Also like you, there will come a time when the McMansion gets sold, and we live more to the use of the space, and it'll be the Dragon or Sonos and I'll be just fine. Also have a Samsung 990d in our second home, and even down there, I'm never feeling like we are missing out. It's not a Sonos, but as close as the Sonos is to what I think the Dragon is, I think the Samsung is the same to Sonos. Good sound is good sound, and there are lots of companies out there making good stuff for us all!

[@shawnbrennan7075]

Did you place the speakers in the same position as the svs was? Particularly the subs.

[@gasracing5000]

@4:51 Ahhh, kicking back watching audio demos... The thx train will always be me favorite

[@mrrolandlawrence]

omg the Nakamichi Dragon is back! back in the day they were the best tape decks / turntables. costing $$$$.

[@benwu7980]

I had a Nakamichi tape deck, but it was one before the Dragon. It was somewhere around the time I started working, so I'm guessing ~1991. By then the Dragon's had established themselves as being the top tier, but could get a bargain on the 1000ZXL, which in most ways was almost as good, but many were being sold as people upgraded. Ironically, they are now worth about 4 times the cost of a Dragon if been well maintained.

[@miguelmc2289]

@@benwu7980hey share your music if you have it!

[@NotATube]

The only thing that's "back" here are the names- a cynical attempt to cash in on the reputation of the long-defunct original company by slapping the name of their most famous line (i.e. very high-end cassette decks) onto a completely different type of product. In some ways, the trashy low-end headphones they were selling under the "Nakamichi" brand a few years ago were less objectionable, because they were so obviously *not* the high-end products of the original company. Regardless, this sort of nostalgia-exploiting tactic always gets owners of zombie brands a lot of "[long-defunct company/product] is back!" publicity. This isn't the first example- the current owners of the "Atari" name have been doing it for years- and it won't be the last. Still, you'd have thought they'd have at least reused the name for a pseudo-premium cassette deck.

[@benwu7980]

@@NotATube They weren't exactly 'long defunct' as a company, though it's reputation certainly hasn't been the same. Some of their soundbars have done pretty well in reviews over the last few years. Putting the Dragon name on this is a bit of stretch.

[@NotATube]

@@benwu7980 Not sure what the position is with respect to the legal entities involved, but whether or not today's "Nakamichi" is the original company, legally speaking, I'd be surprised if it had much in common with the pre-bankruptcy original business than the name by this point.

[@SpidermanandJeny]

If the binaural recordings are decently representative of the systems then the Dragon isn't as good, but gives you like 95 percent for quarter of the cost. The bass performance being the reason it's not as good.

[@Black_Blade7]

The fact the first item of the theater-audio-list is more expensive then the soundbar is just insane

[@dennisjungbauer4467]

Well, the first "item" is already a 5.1 speaker set though. Just missing an AVR then and you'd already be better off than the soundbar, I'm sure.

[@LordDementus1987]

It's $4000. On top of that, a soundbar is just never going to give you the oomph that you will get from a receiver with separates. That has been my experience comparing some decent-to-expensive soundbar systems to a cheap 5.1 system I put together. Generally, a soundbar is intended to be small, sleek and give better sound over the speakers without spending too much money.

[@thexgamer8240]

If I spent $4000 on a sound bar, I would like the sound that comes through it to manifest in real life and tickle my eardrums.

[@Alex-zi1nb]

Thats....kinda what it already does lol

[@kmontoya87]

as I sit here stroking my non-existant beard pondering whether or not 'eardrums' is in fact a typo

[@Lego_Fish]

Just buy normal speakers and AV receiver for much cheaper

[@somdudewillson]

Yes, that is generally how sound works.

[@grambo1980]

It does

[@carlunkle]

Interesting wardrobe change around 7:05. I’m probably never going to be splurging on surround sound setups, I do enjoy watching you guys though.

[@BrownFoxWarrior]

"How could anyone spend $4000 on a soundbar?" My first thought was, "Companies overcharging?"

[@BrownFoxWarrior]

@@GeneralKenobi69420 MS Paint is the superior art software.

[@BrownFoxWarrior]

@@GeneralKenobi69420 MS Paint is the superior art software.

[@greylawson6352]

Except it’s not the case here bc you’re getting 31 drivers…

[@jyunnheikusada7003]

Creative soundbar has all the IO you need. Comes with subwoofer, and controller. It can even pair with BT. The price is way cheaper than any of the contenders, but still provides decent sounds. They made quality speakers and soundcards for decades.

[@TheFourthWinchester]

I miss Creative not being more popular. They were so great back then for such low cost.

[@CrushiChris]

I'm happy to see Linus still enjoying his job. His enthusiasm is something I strive for

[@AlT-vt3gb]

or is like trying to sell something

[@mndlessdrwer]

For someone who doesn't want to faff around with running a bunch of wires and doesn't have a massive treated room to fill, the Dragon seems like a very viable option. I think the next major upgrade to the home theater speaker system would necessitate a cost upwards of $100k in order to hear any significant improvements. While I'm not the biggest fan of SVS due to their lack of musicality, they are a preeminent speaker for home theater use because they are well tuned for it. You get exceptional clarity and good midbass that crosses over well to their subs. To do better you'd need something like Meridian Audio in-wall speakers or Dali Phantom in-wall speakers with a lot of subwoofers and the relevant processing to prevent excessive room loading. Unless you run into a massive windfall of cash, there's no real reason to upgrade from the SVS system because you'll just be chasing diminishing returns. And that's the main challenge with home theater audio design. You either need to be the type of person who can be content with their first foray into the subject or you need to spend extensively on it ONCE and be done with it. Otherwise you'll end up spending a truly ridiculous amount of money trying to chase an impossible perfection. That's the same struggle that audiophiles have every time they buy new equipment. It's why I spent $700 to buy some nearly 20 year old KEF towers. I wanted to get the best I could possibly afford at the time so I wouldn't be constantly tempted to upgrade. And it has proven the merit of that approach multiple times. Because I've gone to my local audio shop and gone to audiophile conventions and listened to some exceptional speakers. Then I went home and turned on my system to listen to my towers and realized "I still like these. This is good." Edit: Coming back after listening to the unlisted binaural audio recordings to comment on the sound. The SVS speakers fill in a good amount of the midbass that the Nakamichi are missing out on solely due to the size of the drivers and their enclosures. The SVS subs also reach much deeper while making it sound effortless. This might have been mitigated if Nakamichi had sent one of their 12" sub kits instead of the 8" opposed firing sub kits. They do support up to four of the 12" subs. It is also worth noting that the Nakamichi Dragon's AMT tweeters still suffer from the specific sound coloring of their design. It makes the treble exceptionally clear, but it does also make it very shimmery instead of just being crisp and natural. By my ear, there is still nothing better than well designed silk tweeters for a natural treble reproduction, but everyone has different preferences. The absolute best AMT tweeters I've ever heard were Golden Ear's Jet tweeter, which is their custom-designed in-house AMT tweeter design. It has the least coloration of any AMT tweeter I've ever heard. Additionally, the Nakamichi are specifically designed to be used in untreated rooms where the rear-angled side speakers and up-firing height speakers can provide atmospheric sound reflections to emulate additional discrete speakers. I was impressed by the amount of movement you could hear in the sound source on the Nakamichi, so their attempt to emulate a much more extensive audio setup has been at least moderately successful. I'd say that it's probably on-par with a similarly priced Atmos setup, but more convenient.

[@TemporalandReaty]

honestly after listening to both binural recordings the Nakamichi is pretty good the rain doesnt sound quite right though The bass is a major difference between the two with Linus's setup majorly winning, but if you can swap out the Nakamichi ones for others it could be nice. At very least the Core Sound bar bit does seem quite good.

[@gclip9883]

Consider that the Nakamichi doesn't even have room correction. You wouldn't need to spend $13,000 to best it. I would argue that you could build a more competent "classic" home theater with Atmos height channels for the same price, or even less. The massive flaw of this soundbar is that it doesn't go below 100Hz. Even a small bookshelf-speaker can easily get down to 60Hz. The problem with the soundbar is that the sub has to cover those frequencies. A moderately deep male voice will already go that low, which will just sound less natural if it is taken care of two differently placed speakers. Also, another KZbinr (Andrew Robinson) found that the subs don't even go down to 20 Hz. They can play down to 40Hz, but at 20Hz they make a weird noise that shouldn't be there. All that is to say that this setup is not worth it. And in my personal opinion, it doesn't even help in the visual department, which seems to be one of the main reasons why people buy soundbars in the first place. This thing is incredibly ugly and looks super cheap. Not only could you get better sound out of a classical home theater setup for the same price, you could also choose speakers with a nicer finishing.

[@waynejohnson4966]

They really don't know what they are talking about. The Dragon is unbeatable in every way and will be a collectors item.

[@bobbygetsbanned6049]

If you're willing to spend $4K on home theater just start out with a decent receiver and 3.1 setup and build from there. Once you're spending that much the ability to modify your system in the future is worth WAY more than any kind of all in one system.

[@Jzwiz]

now, would these work well with a computer setup? been trying to get speakers for my office for gaming/media

[@jkadilis]

15 years installing/servicing AV systems and theres never been a soundbar that can compete with a discrete 5.1 or higher system. Can't remember if it was Bowers & Wilkins or which brand but there was a $1,500 soundbar our company starting selling. Installed and setup for a customer then the owner of the company the next day asks me, "How did that new soundbar sound?" Me shrugging, "Like a soundbar..."😂😂 Great video, loving the content

[@andrewg2618]

exactly

[@scotmac5529]

The fact you have a 13k home theater system makes me rethink my life.

[@chuckthetekkie]

I bought the Onkyo TX-NR545 Receiver back in 2016 for less than $300 and paired it with a set of Onkyo 5.1.2 Dolby Atmos speakers for less than $330 and I'm very happy. The bass really rumbles. I still works all these years later and I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon.

[@dfoster7001]

I replaced my Onkyo TX 590 with the RZ50. Thought about putting the Dragon in my garage but decided to put that 590 back to work until I can afford an RZ70. The 50 works great in the house and no soundbar is going to be as versatile.

[@artbeautyandmadness3091]

(04:15): Pride Rock Ripoff!: The monster gets destroyed because the only character who's allowed on this rock: The Lion King! hahahaha

[@Da40kOrks]

My first home theater experience was with a Jurassic Park THX laser disk. I'll never forget FEELING the t-rex attack. Unfortunately continual apartment living has prevented me from having my own setup.

[@pyrocrew17]

Same had to disconnect subs 😬

[@sagar42095]

Great video

[@DaKoTazy]

Hold up, didn't you have different shirts on through the shoot?

[@miguelmc2289]

Blatantly 6:56

[@Revlemmon]

Yes, I had to go back and check it when I saw it, thought I was going crazy

[@ricardohague5491]

I think there is always that gray area where sub placement and surround aiming plus using an RTA to tweak sound settings as well as time alignment make the huge changes in how it sounds and feels. I did that with the sonos with dual subs and era 300’s and man it sounds awesome. The fact the subs will sound best and get better response down low try placing them below flanking the sound bar and you will have good response towards the 20-28hz

[@gabbieblue]

"the first thing youre gonna notice about the dragon when you get it is that it is huge, and really heavy" things you can say on an LTT shoot AND in the bedroom

[@loldoctor]

My friend there are much better and safer places to keep your dragon, for example a rookery

[@Atlasworkinprogress]

For $4000 you can do so much with a home theater setup. Denon AVR-X3800H Refurb for $1100 SVS Prime 5.0 for $1850 2X RSL Speedwoofer 10E for $600 total 2 Pairs of Monoprice Alpha In Ceiling Speakers for $260 total That give you a 5.2.4 setup. With microphone room calibration.

[@LordDementus1987]

This system will blow away any soundbar and if you're strategic with your purchases, you could probably save money with separates.

[@nonothing9685]

So just a few things to consider. You're sub location is going to dictate a lot of how your sub sounds. How big your room is also a big factor. If you're using it in a smaller room, the bass will receive more room gain and could potentially go lower. Same with the sonos speakers. Where as with your real setup, it used room calibration to fix all those issues. You could probably get alot more sound from both the sonos and dragon systems in a smaller room.

[@TokeBoisen]

@@nonothing9685 while that is true, that IS part of what you pay for when you go for a full system. Additionally the size and ported enclosure of the subs will limit the ultimate extension you can expect even with room-gain, as the natural roll-off of a 4th order alignment (the ported sub) is too aggressive to allow the room-gain to compensate. And even so, there is every chance Nakamichi has employed limiters and filters to flat-out not let the subs play frequencies lower than port-tuning.

[@videogamephenomhd]

Even though Bose produces their soundbars, a fierce rivalry has just stepped in, which now involves Nakamichi.

[@shahzaibihsan3259]

I love your audiophile videos. You explain it more simply than other audiophiles.

[@shahzaibihsan3259]

@dewdmcman4321 see... That's why he explains it simply his sva system costs 13k and they are trash then how much a person should spend to get good sound!

[@ryankramer]

@dewdmcman4321 SVS isn't remotely close to the trash side of things. Point out the plastic in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKCnl4OYiZV7a9k Be all end all? Of course not, but saying giant tower speakers are the answer tells a lot about someone who doesn't know that where the front three speakers goes is often NOT where the front three speakers go. There's no right answer in sound, only products with compromises in every situation.

[@Pureified]

How could anyone buy a 4000$ sound bar? Other than me

[@T-035]

than*

[@CaptainRex332]

@@T-035Womp Womp

Nuh Uh. Genie, I wish for him to be poor *Just a skit

[@thestarafresh]

You brought one I mean linus probably got this free lol

[@daviddiamond6486]

What, no Crab Rave? How can I compare this to all the other speakers you talk about without it? 😂

[@codyyelverton4162]

I got the Dragon just after pre sale at like $3500. Going from a full av 7.2.1 to the Dragon, in my living room, sounds way better than the old av set up.

[@tiloalo]

Full av but with bad speakers? Had you bought a good 5.1 speaker setup, like a klipsch, you probably would have had much better result than with this sound bar. Especially since it doesn't do any room correction

[@codyyelverton4162]

@@tiloalo had Klipsch front towers and center. I think it was just the av being dated. Honestly the lack of speaker wire and ease of use is worth it for me.

[@Totalplonker]

I think that says more about your previous 7.2 than the Dragon! Having to reach for the remote control almost every time the movie sound Dynamics change is very annoying. Unfortunately, that's one of the downfalls when going with a budget AVR. IMO better to persevere and if need be carry on saving and purchase the one one really wants to purchase. Buy once cry once! Our eyes follow our ears to wear the story lives..

[@codyyelverton4162]

True! And I could have bought a new AVR and went that route, BUT the misses began mentioning the speaker wires more often and this way, she can't complain and neither can I with the quality. It works, it sounds good, and for my purpose fills the role perfectly.

[@ConradWredberg]

Plus my significant other can actually use it!

[@spdcrzy]

I'm SO glad the Dragon is finally on LTT! That system is a BEAST. I'm getting one when I move into my new place. This was never designed to be a big punchy bassy system - it was actually meant for apartments and small rooms where the room effect would significantly add to the bass. And this is the ONLY soundbar that uses the actual AVR Atmos codec, not the soundbar codec.

[@CalebPerez]

Please consider getting some KEFs and a speedwoofer. Equally good at half the cost or WAY better at the same cost.

[@spdcrzy]

@@CalebPerez KEFs at $2K? Are you insane? LOL.

[@CalebPerez]

@@spdcrzy they are routinely on pretty crazy sales.

[@spdcrzy]

@@CalebPerez yeah, but they're not gonna get THIS loud.

[@CalebPerez]

@@spdcrzy 5 KEF Q150s, a Denon s960h, and a couple speedwoofers can run ya around $2,000 and will blow your eardrums out. Toss in a few micca atmos speakers if you feel like it.

[@andriyrudnyk7985]

Love the Shirt swap at 6:55

[@_Flying_Dutchman_]

Went for an arc with a sub 3.0 and 2x era 300. The sound is amazing, the integration almost perfect and it truly elevates the strong points of the arc by adding the sub and surrounds. The soundstage with atmos is phenominal. In addition, my wife doesn't complain because the white speakers / design is almost invisible in our room. I'd take the sonos setup anytime over this soundbar.

[@HaydenDietzman-ne3lb]

Just wait until you hear actual speakers with a receiver. That soundstage would blow you away.

[@_Flying_Dutchman_]

@@HaydenDietzman-ne3lb I had that in the past. The difference is not amazing.

[@exinfernnus]

Always go DiY. I slowly gathered up 4 Klipsch towers, 2 bookshelf's for the sides, and finally 2 elevation speakers for the Denon HU. I found a Harmon Kardon sub unit at a pawn shop to top it all off. It was really great, better than my parent's $4k Sony/Polk setup. But thennn, I got a pair of Kicker L7's in the factory enclosure with a 2400 watt studio sub amp. Sure you can hear the amp's fans running occasionally, but it's more than worth the annoyance.

[@JayDpwnz]

ugreen link in the description does not work

[@CaptainRex332]

They work for me what device are you using

[@JayDpwnz]

@@CaptainRex332 Google chrome on windows 11, link pulls up a bitly 404, I'm in the UK

[@JayDpwnz]

@@CaptainRex332 Specifically it is becuase the word "ugreen" is hyperlinked along with the first link because they missed out a space, if you remove that it works

[@JayDpwnz]

​@@CaptainRex332 It's because the word ugreen is on the end of the link without a space. If you remove the word ugreen it works

[@BrianCoonley]

Transition at 7:00 Mark threw me off with different shirts 😂😂

[@SuperWhiteSuit]

I'm not gonna lie, I'm not a audiophile or a snob of sound at all. so me listening to the 2 recordings back to back, could tell a little difference... but both sounded exceptional to me... Listened to on Astros A50's

[@tiloalo]

Listening to a youtube video of an audio system recording doesn't bring anything. KZbin audio encoding is not very high quality, and it will be affected by the mic they used, room, the player you use and so on...

[@greylawson6352]

I mean that makes sense, it’s KZbin plus you’re listening on something that doesn’t have a flat response curve at all, Astro’s has super boosted mids and bass since they’re gaming headphones

[@costafilh0]

High channels don't add much for you because you have weak low-quality speakers compared to the SVS system, specially compared to the L&R channels, they are not installed correctly pointing towards the main seat and you only have 4 high channels compared to 7 lower channels. Upgrade them, add 2 more channels, and most importantly install them correctly, it will make a *BIG* difference. Personally, I would use the same models as the surrounds, even though they don't look as clean installed with ceiling mounts. It's a dedicated room and you'll be in the dark having fun anyway.

[@nekerrivera]

I own a Nakamichi dragon and it’s in my living room and a 5.4.2 home theater system with a Denon 3800h and it’s pretty darn close how much the dragon sounds compared to the dedicated system

[@drachamberlain]

"I dont call them 3 speakers?" No, you have a 3 way speaker doto!

[@MIW_Renegade]

I was just coming to say this, the way he said that kinda pissed me off lol

[@A-BYTE94]

yes

[@TokeBoisen]

That was the joke, yes

[@drachamberlain]

I dont think you guys understand that subwoofer channel is always mono, If you have 4 drivers on a mono channel with the same crossover frequency(sound spectrum), they all work together. that's a quad speaker. The speaker he points at has 3 drivers that separates lows, mids, highs. 3 frequency independent drivers to make 1 speakers full sound spectrum.

[@TokeBoisen]

@@drachamberlain sure, that's true you *could* claim that since they have four drivers, it's a quad-sub system. BUT if you have two subwoofer enclosures, as the Dragon does, it's very often referred to as a dual-subwoofer setup, which has a lot of uses with mono-summed Bass-managed content. However, no matter how many drivers are in each enclosure, that does not acoustically matter due to the proximity of the drivers in relation to the wavelengths of bass frequencies, so it's honestly disingenuous to claim you have "four" subs in this particular situation.

[@mikemcculley]

I love the way the air motion tweeters sound in my Emotiva setup I use for computer audio.

[@LSnium]

My 1990 Lexus LS400 has a Nakamichi system in it, I believe it was a 4000 dollar option back in 1990, it was the upgrade over the Pioneer system.

[@matthewacosta7152]

Same got a 94 with the nakamichi

[@LSnium]

@@matthewacosta7152hell yeah another UCF10 owner 💪🏻

[@luiseusebio4203]

I just bought this soundbar today and the goat himself makes a video for it. Hopefully it's not a hate video to the Dragon, it sounds so awesome!

[@F3XFR]

Hey Linus

[@RacerXGTO]

7:04 - The Chinese have been playing this game for many years where they put out an audio product, and it automatically gets the "20Hz - 20KHz" range stamp. It could be mini speaker with a full range 1 inch driver powered by 2 AAA batteries and it gets the "20Hz - 20KHz" sticker of approval. (rolleyes)

[@Forfeit_The_Game]

Is Baby Driver really the best film to test when they can't even get the Subaru engine noise to be correct?

[@lovescarguitar]

It's not about real sounds. It's about MOVIE sounds

[@skydograven]

Thank you for the audiophile content! This tech is the future of home theaters and it's awesome

[@zwatotem]

I clicked because Linus was on the bottom.

[@ryans413]

Next week he will be on the top

[@KeetSeel]

He was the bottom.

[@nirt83]

from where did you got the Dolby Atmos video for checking the sound? Thanks!

[@manojsahu-hr9qe]

Linus i think you will

[@harrykatsaros]

You can actually upgrade to 12 inch subs (instead of 8”) and buy 2 additional subs for a proper 4 sub setup, which will fix up the issue with having some real punch. The 4 subs (2 front and 2 back) also helps to drastically improve performance with the mids.

[@Zephanyahh]

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[@Red_Diamond_GX]

Noooo

[@Zephanyahh]

Your mom pays attention to her online spelling!

[@xaviermontalban717]

No one can ever convince me that a 4000 euro soundbar is going to outperform 6 speakers. Unless it has some alien tech from the future, it's no soundbar for me

[@LazyCrazyGuy]

@ 9:42 The quote you are looking for is "the law of diminishing returns." It completely affects every industry and every situation where money is involved. You only get a small percent of boost at the top but it usually comes at a premium price of 2 - 4 times as much 😅

[@haikodekoster5129]

why the t-shirt switch with log off?, its a extreem difference, smooth audio transfer tho

[@TestamentToGod]

THANK YOU someone finally noticed lol

[@mrfinder18]

Back in the late 90s and early 2000s, I did custom car audio installations for the competitive USAC teams. Nakamichi was well known for their highly crisp and clear head units. Widely used the in the SQ division on the competition scene.

[@Gh0stShell]

4:08 What do you mean with „uncomfortably loud“? I sometimes watch movies in THX Ref loudness. Which means a max 105dB. To be more exact, 80dB with 25dB Headroom for Dynamic Range.

[@TonyHarlan]

Got an email from nakamichi this morning saying they are releasing the option for 12-in subs instead of eights, and upgrades for existing Dragon customers.

[@TheWesman45]

If you want the look of a soundbar, but the preformence of a full surround system, there is really only one answer. Which is to pair good tower/bookshelf speakers and a good sub with invisible in walls. I don't mean in walls. I mean invisable. Underneath the dry wall. That's what I have. I have a KEF compact sub(I forget the name, but it's the one with opposing woofers) and Buchardt s400s. Those are paired with 4 surround and 4 height channels of sonance invisable speakers. My living room looks like a nice TV/stereo setup, but actually it's a 6.1.4 surround sound home theater. I say 6 becuase there is no center channel. The buchardts have such good stereo imaging it isn't needed.

[@BearsDenGaming]

I work at Best Buy in home theater. While I'm not as far informed as true enthusiasts nor do I have the budget for a fully custom setup, I'm pretty happy with the Sony Bravia bar 9 that just came out, SW5 Subwoofer and RS5 rears that I recently picked up.

[@MR-vg7yn]

Thanks for the binaural recordings, those are awesome. One critique: On top of saying "it's huge" and holding something smaller next to it for comparison, it would be really helpful to just state its dimensions. Question: At what point does a "soundbar" stop being a soundbar? This is a speaker that's 58 inches (around 1.5m) wide. That is getting in the range of the width of a small stereo setups. In my small surround setup, my front speakers are roughly 2.1 meters apart, for example. So you might already considers this soundbar a center speaker with the two front speakers on the side. Add to that, this "soundbar" comes with two extra subwoofers and two surround speakers. That's really not a soundbar, that's basically a 5.2 setup with added height channels via the upwards firing drivers. Honestly, though, with two subwoofers, the bass performance is really disappointing. Note there: If you measured the bass performance, instead of saying "30-45 before rolling off", it would be great to just give the -3db roll-off point, because that is realistically the point where it stops being useful. Most companies use the -6db point for advertising, while some even use the -10db point, which is just ridiculous. That's also why your "30-45 before rolling off" is just not that helpful, honestly. If it's 30 Hz at -3db that's actually "fine" for a smaller sub, but considering this comes with _two_ subs that aren't _that_ small, I'd still be disappointed, considering you can get around 35 Hz at -3db from good mid-sized standing speakers and a decent sub of very comparable size from Nubert, for example, plays down to 26 Hz at -3db. If it's 45 Hz at -3db, then that is honestly ridiculously bad for a subwoofer. That's bass performance you can get from good shelf speakers. Overall, nice review, especially with the binaural recordings, but could be a bit more detailed in the specs / measurement area.

[@dauraktv]

I really like how your team reversed the video of you unpacking the surroundsound stuff making it look like you were packing it. I love this smart cheap quick movie magic

[@johngerken4263]

Video Idea: Take a water cooled PC, and put vehicle engine coolant/antifreeze in it instead and see if that is any better than just water

[@QuintinHowell]

I remember my first full dedicated setup started with a budget of ~$1,500 in 2011, ended closer to ~$15,000 in 24 months. Every time I watch a movie with a solid soundtrack it still brings joy to my ears. There's also some deals to be had in the used market, good gear lasts years.

[@bobbynygaardchrisitansen6874]

15000 that is close to a small car. I would only spend on audio if I was rich.

[@DonUschi92]

What I learned is that the most important thing in home cinema is balance. You can’t put the big ones in front and small ones in rear. Every speaker should be the absolute same. At least in the ear level layer. And put at least 2-4K in sound dampening for your room and have the right setup in distances. Can’t put a good symmetrical surround setup? Keep it stereo. And if you want atmos, don’t do the reflection from the ceiling. There you can put smaller ones but still choose the biggest you can afford and mount. Also subwoofers at very hard to get right. Drive two minimum and never spend less than 1,5k each. Go 5.0 with full size standing speakers if that doesn’t fit your budget or if you are not willing to measure, test and configure a lot. As soon as you use subs, even with speakers that can go low, measure them in at small 80hz.

[@garyfinestine6327]

Just gonna put this out there, the Nakamichi SoundWafe Ultimate is 100% worth the price

[@09gdt]

For myself, I have to say separate cabs/enclosures for speakers, right from the audio input to the AV receiver, get the signal divided up into individual channels and out into the cabs (L,C,R,SL,SR,S) it'll give a much better sound picture of what's going on and where it's coming from and only using one sub in the corner firing along the wall ( bass loves walls due to the wavelength), having all those speakers in one ( unported?) enclosure will just muddy the audio and give no pinpoint on where the sound is coming from, ( again for me ) having a sound bar with ( L,C,R ) in one box just makes the "sound" sound claustrophobic and not spread out enough no matter which way you point the speakers... hope this makes sense, it did in my head 🤣🤣

[@dustinwenzel1446]

I love my dragon. My job moves me every few years so this is a great simple (yet pricey) to give great performance until I actually retire and go the same route with wired solutions

[@EvolKnives]

Listening to the 2 audio clips in the description on a pair of Sennheiser Momentum 4’s, there really is no comparison between Linus’s system and the soundbar. There’s a HUGE difference in quality in favor of Linus’s system.

[@arklanuthoslin]

even on my LG oled tv I could tell a huge difference, just using the built in speakers.

[@dubious6718]

I played it on my Denon X3800H and there was a huge difference. Linus is the quality I expect, the other one is the quality I would trash.

[@thebigg2345]

People focus too much on the bass performance - the biggest difference between those 2 clips is later on, with the rest of the sound range. The Nak sounds like you're listening to cheap speakers in a box, whereas the separates system just sounds like you're listening to the real world. There's no way it's 80% of the performance IMHO.

[@KryssN1]

Got Q990D for 560€, ha beat that. Not spending more than 1500€ on a soundbar.

[@sasoesasoe]

how? where? ... thanks :)

[@Drn10n]

I think many people don't really get that the main use of soundbars is in homes where there is no infostructure for a traditional setup. most places outside of the US don't have hollow walls that you can just pull wires through. of the house wasn't built with a surround system in mind, the only realistic option (that doesn't include a bunch of wires laying all over your livingroom) is a soundbar.

[@HoFF9000]

Does the dragon not have rear speakers? I have the eARC Shockwafe that predated the dragon and it has discrete rear speakers.

[@cvmixes]

Thanks

[@varanidguy]

I actually really like soundbars, for what they are. Inexpensive, easy, plug and play upgrades so you don't have to suffer with tinny TV speakers. But, thanks to physics, they really can't compete with discrete passive speakers hooked up to an AVR. Right now the Dragon is $3k on amazon for the 11.4.6 - if you budget properly, you could get a pretty respectable system for $3k. But, if you don't like to fiddle fart with wiring and often clunky speakers, as well as calibration and tinkering, soundbars are a viable option (in spite of what the Home Theater subreddit has to say).