LION EL'JONSON VS KONRAD CURZE

[@Henrodful]

"Insult me again, brother, and theoretically I will punch you in your practical face." - The Lion talking to Robbie.

[@peterchambers28]

The Night Lord and The Knight Lord

[@VandalAudi]

Peter Chambers edgelord vs edgelord.

[@geesusman1]

@vulpes pledgelord vs edgelord

[@ShadowGaming-ft4fh]

@Jalen Chris you lot are a plague

[@takebacktheholyland9306]

@@VandalAudi this ain't no corvus vs conrad

[@angelgoo7772]

@@takebacktheholyland9306 Corvus is way less edgy than Conrad lol just compare their first meetings of the emperor

[@user-xk9gw1gf8c]

Best line of all this came just afterwards. Where is your sword? Corswain: Gone.. I left it in a primarch's spine.

[@d8god]

Corswain, most underrated astartes?

[@user-xk9gw1gf8c]

True, Corswain was a very capable Astartes. The Lion did not leave him in command of a significant portion of the Legion for nothing. He probably misses out as the Dark Angels have two major stories lines (The Lion and the events on Caliban) already occuring. If you look most of the books about the Dark Angels (a trend started in Angels of Darkness which is a 40k book) they swing between two major plot points.

[@mattbarnes9296]

​@@d8god He's Definitely up there with Sevatar, Kharn, Sigismund, Azkellon, Aeonid Thiel, Ahzek Ahriman, and Bjorn the Fell-handed. Hopefully FW graces us with an awesome Corswain miniature!

[@AlyssMa7rin]

Matt Barnes Don't forget Garviel Loken, and Saul Tarvitz

[@jonaski08]

@@user-xk9gw1gf8c he was called the hound of caliban. He doggedly pursued Typhon in the warp and typhon acknowledged his determination.

[@Tiglath-Pileser3]

Such a great fight. Lion has the edge when he keeps his head. His fighting is perfect. But Curze has the advantage when things get emotional, personal... literally down and dirty. The pairing is great. Knightly justice juxtaposed against corrupted justice. But The Lion moved so fast that he impaled a primarch, before said primarch was aware that Johnson had moved.

[@blasphemy133]

and that Primarch is a pre-cog too. Lion is FAST.

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

I don't know who else here had combat training or fight experience, but Demski-Bowden clearly doesn't. Once the Lion Sword ran him through, Curze was done. He was not shooting past the en garde of the best duelist of the primarchs. It doesn't happen that way with experienced fighters. The fact that the Lion took Curze by surprise is further testament to the Lion's supremacy. The fight was terrible writing and nonsense. I don't mind the dialogue before, but the fight is nonsense.

[@spike.strat1318]

While Curze has a punchers chance against the Lion, If El’Johnson keeps his head and fights his fight, Conrad will eventually tire and then the first primarch will have him. Much like Lucius of the Emperors children, eventually his superior skill will more than likely win out. (7 or 8 out of ten bouts)

[@tincano-beans2114]

It was a cheap shot... not to mention kurze had the fight won until the lion got a huge save.

[@MrTolgarion]

@@tincano-beans2114 errrr no the author clearly said that was not the case.

[@tibbydudeza]

A legion composed solely of murderers and psychopaths from a hive world shrouded in perpetual darkness ... sometimes you had to wonder what the hell the Emperor was thinking.

[@mannysong1752]

Terror weapons

[@tibbydudeza]

@@mannysong1752 World Eaters were better at it ... entire worlds surrended if they heard that legion was being sent in a compliance action. Then they got Angron. With the Night Lords you still had a good chance to get flayed even if you accepted compliance.

[@fbussier80]

Curze, as programmed, is the 40k equivalent of the devil. His whole function is to punish and to do so in a way to become a deterrent for others. The thing is that he can ONLY be used as weapon against a very specified target or group ( much like angrons world eaters) or else they won't know when to stop... The tragedy of Curze was that he percieved himself and of one use only (because of his precog habilities) as being designed to bring nothing but pain and despair others. In a world such as 40k, filled with corruption as it is, who SHOULDN'T he punish? Look at Sevatar in the Prince of crows short story: he IS the embodiment of Curze.

[@cathalstein1725]

tibby dude So the Night Lords were like Ramsay Bolton then

[@TaCo0oCaT]

@@cathalstein1725 Nah, Ramsay was always rotten to the core. The Night Lords became rotten because their source became poisoned by Curze leaving

[@Cornerboy73]

Curze and the Lion turned out to be one of the most surprisingly enjoyable story lines in the HH series for me. In my opinion, the Lion has been elevated in a way due to his battles with the Night Haunter. At this stage in the game, 50+ HH books and counting, the Lion is now recognized as more than just a 'strategically-gifted primarch', but an absolute top-tier killing machine and key player in the storyline. Despite his mastery of established combat styles though, Curze inadvertently taught him how to fight against preternaturally unorthodox combat forms that disregarded ritualized, formal duels. Those fights further brought out the Hunter in the Lion; he would reflect on their fights and focus his skill set while honing his already razor-keen senses. This ultimately enabled him to go into the dark and break the Night Haunter in his own element. Two great characters indeed !

[@Prophetofthe8thLegion]

And then proceed to fail to locate Konrad who is going about murdering dark angels on the lions own ship lol. Then he tries to kill Konrad by blowing a few of gulliman worlds and is surprised when gulliman is not happy. Lol

[@SS_Psyops]

@@Prophetofthe8thLegion speaks the truth

[@_the_eversor_lad_]

@@Prophetofthe8thLegion Yeah you can't beat Kurze in his own element, for he's a master murderer

[@willcruikshank7972]

@@_the_eversor_lad_ But the Lion did. He knowingly walked into Curze's trap, and the fight ended with the Lion breaking Curze's back over his knee. The Lion destroyed Curze "in his own element".

[@randomcenturion7264]

Sad thing is, Konrad was right. The Dark Angels, and, though not as openly, their Primarch, do have their loyalty questioned because they were too late to arrive on Terra. And the whole Fallen problem and the unfortunate things the DA have had to do to keep it quiet, which they HATE having to do, only makes things worse. I like that it mentions Konrad was both amused and saddened by his vision. Amused because, he's probably seen this vision play out again and again in his fits of madness and foresight, and saddened because, say what you will about Konrad, but he did ultimately want a just world. He wanted to be "the good guy." The fact that as soon as he savaged Rogal in his rage, he was weeping over his body, tells me, that he didn't want to hurt his brothers, but he couldn't escape the madness and destiny that bombarded his psyche.

[@jakefile6206]

Konrad could explain ALOT of back-stories in today's American Congress and Executive Administration 😂

[@ericmiller254]

Every time you read into the books they come off like total douchebags lol Other legions should clearly wipe em out Would not be surprised at all if the "fallen" are the gud guys

[@themasterninja110]

@@jakefile6206 good guys normally dont have daemon princes among their ranks....

[@Tacoguy1000]

Finbar Brolly DA hate shaking random citizens? Doesn’t look so.

[@randomcenturion7264]

@@Tacoguy1000 Maybe not random citizens, but they have been questioned by many. The High Lords flat out refused to use any Dark Angels Gene-Seed during M33, they were heavily chastised for the massacres they performed on Minoria and the Black Templars never forgot that a lot of their brothers went "missing" after they found Cypher and the DA forced them to hand him over at gunpoint. So, while it isn't the common citizenry that distrusts them, they certainly have their fair share of detractors.

[@shirleylyn11]

@14:20 "I do not care who knows the truth now, tomorrow or in ten thousand years; LOYALTY IS ITS OWN REWARD!" AWESOME. PURE AWESOME.

[@derpyboi8591]

Funny coming from the Primarch's who's sons trust nobody, are half turned traitor, and beyond self-righteous

[@danielstephenaguilos9346]

@@derpyboi8591 Just like how the Imperium degraded to a level that went against everything the Emperor ever wanted for humanity. It's all tragic irony. Still, LOYALTY IS ITS OWN REWARD!

[@reaperhd1883]

​@@danielstephenaguilos9346 The emperor backstab his previous super soldiers and didn't want the superhuman to rule so some form of betrayal would have been done to the legions

[@nowhereman6019]

"Loyalty is it's own reward."

[@Jatischar]

Those are the words of my House if I ever attain nobility xD

[@Audiotrocious]

Ph.D?

[@jasonusborne8629]

Fuck yeah

[@Uploaded1995]

The Lion may not have been a charismatic man. But he was a man of unshakeable principles and belief in his father's cause. As much as Chaos might have wanted to, there was no way they would turn Lion El'Jonson to their cause, because there were never any doubts or vanity for them to prod and pry at. Loyalty is its own reward.

[@kealunleday3948]

Chaos truly fears him

[@kealunleday3948]

Antisocial, angsty, proud, lethal, loyal, and genius. Perhaps he is more like the emperor than any other.

[@njp4340]

I think so too. He is the first too, perhaps the least altered, perhaps he was the generalist from which all the other specialists were made. What he would have been like had they all not been scatterwd we will never know.

[@JustinB-e6o]

Loyal?

[@nicholascerillo4000]

Konrad to The Lion: No others grew untouched by civilization. Only you and I. Leman Russ, Ferris Manus, Perturabo: ARE WE A JOKE TO YOU?

[@themasterninja110]

Lmfaooooo. Best comment award goes to you my good sir

[@jeffmusyoka1876]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@RecoveringLoLAddict]

This is a terrible lie though Both were completely touched by civilization, Conrad learned his fearmongering tactics from observing the gangs of Nostramo and Lion was adopted by an order of knights. Even Leman was adopted by the greatest Jarl in his planet

[@nicholascerillo4000]

Abserd O I thought that was The Gorgon, Ferrus Manus.

[@emirhaneksioglu4503]

@@RecoveringLoLAddict The Lion spent about a decade in the forest alone though. It is not a lie at all.

[@silverduck07]

Having seen their armor, I have a hard time visualizing them strangling each other at the same time... or even The Lion getting his head smacked on the floor while on his back.

[@AlexG-ci5oj]

Iv always wanted Jason Statham to read me some 40k! Top notch as always!!

[@sejirohiko7333]

Close lol but I hear it now

[@pichofiraviyah8492]

Some of the most introverted primarchs I think

[@danceswithgerbals1]

Hands down, totally agree. The Lion may have been the ultimate all-rounder "warrior" Primarch, but he was overwhelming uncharismatic, prideful, and really almost socially retarded when compared to someone like Guilliman. Curze being basically Batman-who-likes-killing-a-little-too-much was a huge loner as well. That being said I am a huge Lion fan and can't wait to see what he does when he wakes up.

[@TaCo0oCaT]

Its interesting to note that they were the only primarchs that grew up alone. Ferrus doesn't count

[@mattbarnes9296]

@@danceswithgerbals1 Definitely agree on that front! Curze's own primarch drives for justice and fairness were twisted into punisher style vigilantism from the moment he landed on nostramo. Im a massive night lord fan, and its fascinating to see how Curze's ideals were poisoned by his legion. Listen to Guy Haley's "Konrad Curze- The night haunter". There is an awesome interaction between the Emperor and Curze in it!

[@kealunleday3948]

I agree but at the same time i feel like the lion is the very essence of strategic warfare and duty made manifest. He eats sleeps and breaths warfare. Never the hero the imperium wanted but always the general it needs.

[@jeffthemercenary]

@@danceswithgerbals1 but seriously Lion did had one of the worst social skills but Curze is just insane

[@inquisitivei2188]

Damn, I got to learn more about Corswain. I heard he was a pretty cool guy, but hearing about how he was garroting Curze makes him sound even better.

[@wizzolo]

Beloved Corswain deserves much more material released...

[@mt975]

Jesus you are firing out the bangers this week! ITS ALL FOR THE EMPEROR!!!

[@patricklioneljonson2747]

This book well written and shows the Lions tactical guiness to win a war......no matter the civilian casualties. Also you see the Ultramarines give way to the Dark Angel's ....on there own freaking planet. Shows the shear might of the first legions reputation.

[@LouisKing995]

Patrick Murphy I mean, that decision was more to make the triumvirate work than the blue bois being cowed

[@bluebuda8170]

man your channel is growing faster than any ive ever seen. congratulations there's a reason quality

[@wolflordrho]

I never thought I'd hit 1 thousand subs let alone 6. I truly appreciate all the subs I get. Will try my best to improve the channel as best I can!

[@tramico96]

It is amazing that Kurze says in "desperation": " You SHOULD NEVER HAVE SURVIVED that TAINTED world you call home!" Caliban is tainted...and the Lion LIVED there. And the line "...History will be kinder to you this way." What did Konrad see in the future of the Lion that killing then him would be a kindness? Konrad Korze is sad future seeing broken psycho batboy indeed.

[@danceswithgerbals1]

Ya, also in one of the books (can't remember which one) is shows flashes of all the primarchs that fall to chaos. It doesn't list them by name, but describes them and one of them that didn't fall to Chaos even though the Chaos gods apparently tried. The one that didn't fall even though they tried is heavily hinted to be the Lion. They threw him at a tainted planet, filled with warp tainted creatures and instead of giving in he basically _purged_ the entire planet of chaos spawn, and somewhere along the way learned to hide himself from the warp. This is why the Lion was able to hunt down Curze in the belly of his flagship, in the dark, without Curze being able to really sense/see him. The Lion learned how to hide his soul from the warp before he even knew basic language. The Lion really is the Bane to Curze's Batman. Just in this story Bane wins - entirely. No comeback story for Batman.

[@RD-999.M41]

Konrad is a great Primarch. I believe he was a good guy who had to make a bad legion for the crusade. His visions drove him crazy, but if konrad could change the future he would. His final chance at redemption was allowing his own death at the hands of an assassin, which we all know was no match for konrad. Great video, keep them coming!👍

[@cgavin1]

There's a reason they all want the Corona Nox so badly... 😉😉👌

[@V0IV0DE]

Kurze doesn't try to intimidate what he can't, rather he tries to persuade him probably because he saw one of the futures(even a remote one that the Lion could be persuaded). He's stoic nature and adaptability makes him Kurze's nemesis in combat.

[@Slimdaveys]

This channel is quickly becoming my favorite. Other channels help me learn the specific lore behind evens and understand factions, but this one helps me learn what makes the primarchs tick. It's one thing to know about the primarchs but it's another to learn about who they really are.

[@jaredhedleston2314]

It would be good to hear your take the conversation between Corswain & Sevatar.

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

THAT would have been a good fight.

[@lyonthecommenter]

By the Emperor, another video?! Praise be we've been blessed!

[@dave-ish8098]

I love how this is set up, the Lion an exquisite swordsman and Kurze a bloodthirsty brawler. So good!

[@tulsibeepat3453]

From the first paragraph of Horus Rising, I've been in love with the books/audiobooks.I'm glad the series is close to completion a recommendation from me the First Heretic Lorgar is much more than I had earlier believed

[@riftie7681]

Corswain is so badass, he needs way more screen time!

[@shipmate3577]

Girl on girl or primarch on primarch... Hard to chose what id rather watch.

[@asakura8329]

On one hand we have a fight between somewhat two demi-gods that could tremble even the most hardened of battlefields and their genesons fighting alongside them. The other one are just two humans of the same sex kissing and doing intercourse.

[@mgtowdadYouTubeSucksCoxks]

One: cool. more licking. licking more...aaaand licking again. cool.... The other: heart wrenching tragedies amidst a nuclear tsunami of violence. Easy choice.

[@justinrivera1618]

If none of you choose the girl I weep for mankind

[@Ralndrath]

It'd probably be so fast your vision couldn't begin to follow it.

[@SpacepilotPirx]

@@justinrivera1618 I'm a woman and I'd much rather watch primarchs beat the everloving shit out of each other. Preferably wearing only loincloths.

[@MalchazarZJ]

I love these vids, I haven't read the books so this is kinda catching me up on some of the lore of the heresy. As far as this one goes, I think the best part of it is when a "lowly" space marines FIGHTS with Kurze. It my not be the case, but this is the first I've heard of a member of one of the legions personally pulling one of the Primarchs off of their own, since all the others I've heard of were simply diving in to their death to save their Primarchs. The face that he not only was able to yank him off but the balls to even attempt it makes that dude my new favorite space marine, aside from Nathaniel Garrow. Great stuff wolf lord, keep it up!

[@geiger987654321]

This was amazing Wolf Lord Rho: you litterally made a video i've been wanting to listen too. Without even a request. Black Library should just hire you for narration. Keep it up brother!

[@bw5020]

OK... This dude is my favorite 40k channel. Period

[@wolflordrho]

Thank you

[@RobbSavag3]

OH YES, I"VE BEEN PATIENT AND I AM REWARDED, CURZE!

[@aitoriri1]

I was painting mi minis while listening to this. "Loyalty is its own reword". My minis are all wet because of my tears now

[@Irishman93]

I fucking love this man, primarchs are favorite thing within the 40k universe. Keep up this stuff dude, you are doing the emperor's work

[@isawaryokage]

Before I started reading the books from the Horus Heresy, I already liked the Dark Angels a lot, and my favourite traitor Legion has always been the Night Lords. The books only made them better in my eyes, and I LOVE that these two are such rivals during all that.

[@rogerwhite9484]

Excellent video VVLR ! You continously select the Best moments in the novels to narrate & then bring up the next set of questions & theorys that keep fans completely enraptured & craving more . GVV really should have you on their payroll for keeping 40k fans vvanting more of their products & vievvers thankfull they've subscribed to your channel.

[@richardvaldes3959]

DO KONRAD NEXT.

[@loucypher3914]

PLS!

[@dcox5555]

You’re the best narrator I’ve heard after hundreds of lore videos!

[@ShinobiWan]

i love the Dark Angels, hail to the Lion.

[@theannouncer5538]

Two of the coolest Primarchs

[@Millpppppp]

Please can we get Robute v Lorgar and Angron from betrayer It’s such an awesome exchange!

[@lionzpride7779]

At first I didn't like to here someone reading,... But after my first book that u suggested, it was great,... And now I hear everything from u and I love your warhammer vids the most, and I always mostly get guesbumps from your vids.... Sry for my Englisch I'm. From Germany, But I love your vids and your voice

[@LordInter]

I'm English, you're English is good, more articulate then most of us too lol

[@king124kine]

You are now the first channel I’ve turned notifications on for ! And I usually subscribe to everyone!

[@ianjankus8090]

Horus told curze to remind the lion about who was war master lmao

[@Crankrasta]

Wolf lord was literally one of the best things that happened to me him reading passages from the book and giving his own thoughts on it is just interesting. Keep up the good work bro

[@jonharper8963]

Love the night lords, take care of the traitor curze :p

[@blkice6063]

Great new channel, thanks for doing this.

[@adamh.4933]

Favorite visual here is when Sevitar starts up his chain glaive immediately after Lion impales Curze, like he was expecting it to happen and that it was only a matter of time.

[@icecreambrainz8726]

If you guys think this fight is cool, you guys should read the fight after this one between Lion & Curze, where they are all alone in the dark & Lion utterly loses his temper with Curze. Brutal.

[@brianjohnson5272]

"I'm sorry bother." "For wha......." "For the 3 feet of adamantine I just put through your gut!" Love it! Oh the chaos lord completely blindsided by the knight in shining armors cheapest of shots!

[@JB-mb1ro]

Still lost.

[@Incarael]

This is an underappreciated channel right here

[@TungKapi]

You should do more primarch vs primarch

[@wolflordrho]

The more fights we get the more I can do!

[@BlueImmortalStone]

It sounded like Curze knew he wouldn't kill the Lion but hoped he would to spare his brother and his brothers legion from doubt of their loyalty.

[@bezerker66691]

Hell yes that was epic. Great video

[@matthinton19]

History will you remeber you better this way. What an emotional moment between primarchs.

[@mycommentpwnz]

As someone who has fought a lot, with fists, you'd be surprised how often it winds up that way. You end up rolling on the ground and it's partially luck who ends up on top.

[@stormlord819]

Can you do Conrads trial in a future video?

[@TrippyTheShroom]

You should cover major events in the Nighthaunter trilogy!

[@campbellsoup93]

The Lion is awesome as always and Curze is scary as hell but let's be real here, the most badass person in this excerpt was Corswain. My mans jumped onto a primarchs back, wrapped a chain around his throat and pulledhard enough to break his neck. Then when said primarch throws him off and looks like he's going ro kill him, Brother gets up to fight him again! Absolute fucking unit.

[@consolidate84]

Also his "know your enemy" philosophy. He studied the Nostromo language & insulted them in their tongue.

[@SourBogBubble]

the nightlord knows criminal intent before it happens, so he allowed it to happen. the opening blow by the lion that is.

[@eurieus]

Jeez you're such a good narrator, awesome videos man, i'm subscribing :)

[@leowilly29]

And there are still people who wonder if the Lion is a loyalist... He fucking damm is! Not as a shining hero like sanguinius, not like an implacable soldier like Dorn, not like an enlightened statesman like Guilliman, not like a fanatic devot like Ferrus. He is a knight, who swore an oath to his emperor an to humanity. That's why he said "loyalty its his own reward". His goal is to respect that oath, nothing else matter.

[@timdogg0511]

Love hearing this!

[@aclock2]

I often mistake between Konrad Curze and Covus Corax

[@CyrodiilCome]

You should do Dorn and Konrad met

[@TyyTheFlyGuy]

Jeremy Hess you are correct.

[@templar9365]

i would like more reading about the traitors primarchs, tbh the emperor had this comming for been a terrible father

[@robbie1155]

The moment monarchia burnt was the turning point

[@lioneljonson2339]

That felt awesome, thaanks for that great read!

[@tuor8087]

The more one learns of the Horus Heresy, the more the fall of the Primarch's seemed inevitable. When Fulgrim was being Tortured by Lucius and the other captains, he said: "I am a demon. What do you think Primarch's are". I believe he might have been referring to the warp being part of their makeup and the reason for their power in comparison to the rest of Humanity. They were, for all intensive purposes, biological super weapons; imbued with powers that allowed them to perform feats that only 'Gods and Demons' can perform in the eyes of mortal men. Thus their corruption by chaos was not something that happened against their own volition; they wanted it. They saw their purpose in the Emperors eyes and rebelled against that. My take on it, anyway. Great video.

[@fbussier80]

The primarchs are to the Emperor what Greater demons are to the Chaos gods. They are spawn from his essence, they are one of the MANY parts of him. All of them, like himself, are suceptible to the corruption of chaos if left uncontrolled. The Emperor, as the whole of himself, managed to not fall to chaos but clearly had some dealings with the chaos Gods. However, His sons being only some parts of him may have been some of the more "vulnerable" parts of him.

[@tuor8087]

@@fbussier80 I agree. All the Primarchs' possess idiosyncratic traits. The majority of Primarchs that rebelled against the Emperor and embraced Chaos, were, IMO, predisposed to their preternatural state of being. As much as their upbringings shaped their exterior, their substance was more of the warp than of the material realm. I do hope that their creation and the Emperor's dealings with Chaos, are further explored in upcoming books. Nice conversing with you, brother.

[@Brando901]

FOR THE LION KING

[@jakewu8268]

What weapon would you choose, a giant long sword or a pair of lightning claws ???

[@robertoleary5470]

Jake Wu long sword

[@placomsonat9483]

sword it has far more versatility

[@LordInter]

long sword as a side arm to a massive spear (although id prefer a halberd beggars cant be choosers) tbh it would be kinda medieval so ranged weapon (bolter rather then a bow ofc) then the pike then the sword. the claws are too restrictive

[@Audiotrocious]

Lightning Claws with Stormbolters

[@AlyssMa7rin]

Jake Wu well... Meryn Trant had Armor... and a REALLY BIG FUCKING SWORD!

[@jidk6565]

My favorite fight in the entire setting The lion vs the night haunter

[@wolflordrho]

It's a great rivalry!

[@jidk6565]

@@wolflordrho loyalty is it's own reward, that line, that damn line is always the highest point for me in this rivalry

[@wattrocks]

is wh40k mainstream in uk? it seems like almost all of the 40k youtubers are across the pond. either way not sure if youll see this but dude you are awesome your videos bring so much joy to so many fans keep up the awesome work!

[@stevensanders6696]

GW is based in the UK so it has a much larger fanbase there

[@Blazimirus]

Autism vs Schizophrenia for the Mental Disorder heavyweight title. Great fight and video,really like your content!

[@michaelhowell2326]

Your storytelling skills are pretty damn good. I hate that the Dark Angels mystery is halfway told. We still don't know for sure what happened at Caliban.

[@andre1173]

Loyalty is its own reward

[@Rafferty1968]

Is there any Primarch more loyal than The Lion? First is everything. Pride alone would not allow him to turn against his Father. Following the betrayal of Luther, I am sure the Lion has had his pride dented, in the same way Roboute has had his confidence knocked. However, on the back of that, woe betide any foe who dares face the Lion once he is brought forth from his slumber. His honour will not allow him to hide the betrayal, he will speak to his father, and with renewal born of forgiveness, the Lion and his Angels, free of their shame will rise again to lead the fight against the enemies of humanity.

[@scrubsrc4084]

Niiiiice, my favourite screwed up puppy of a primarch, curz

[@jarradwarner7200]

Your accent and tone are probably one of my more favoured of KZbin. However, and I mean this lesson with the most genuine of respect. Facade is pronounced Fassahd. a deceptive outward appearance. "her flawless public facade masked private despair" I'm sorry for being Ordo Gramaticus Hereticus.

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

ADB wrote this little short story badly as far as lore compliance and reality were concerned. The Lion Sword dealt excruciating wounds that took primarchs WEEKS to heal and left scarring. This was according to Russ in his primarch novel. Curze isn't shrugging it off because it isn't knitting up. The combat scene is nonsense when Curze tackles him. For anybody that has weapon or combat experience, it is not happening. "Lept at his brother with a howl". Nonsense. He is not passing the Lion's en garde with a tackle, especially considering the Lion's speed, training, and combat experience. It makes zero sense. It is bad writing. I love the characters, the Lion, Curze, Sevatar, and Corswain. I love the dialogue, but ADB has NEVER had legitimate combat training or experience.

[@Daytonaman675]

He would have been carved up like a turkey in a jet engine

[@ianharrison5758]

To be fair The lion has never really had to face a crazy mf who can see the future try to murder him so I can see why he’d be a little thrown by the way Konrad fights. Konrad doesn’t really ever win through skill. He either scares the shit out of you or simply doesn’t let people guess his next move. Not to mention Konrad Is also noted to be unrealistically good at low blows. It’s not the best writing but I’ve seen worse

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

@@ianharrison5758, remember that it was the Lion's actions that were unforseen by Fateweaver, Curze, and the Autocathona. All 3 are top tier prognostic psykers. He overcame all 3.

[@TheDukeOfDallas]

When homie took the fight to the ground and started bouncing ole' boi's head off the ground like a basketball *Chef Kiss* what beautiful imagery."

[@chaptermastermarneuscalgar6926]

You should have saved the Lion El'Jonson vs Konrad Curze title for a video about the Angels of Caliban because the Lion quite literally beats Konrad into the ground and breaks his spin.

[@funandparty2493]

The real Warmaster vs Curze.

[@spike.strat1318]

Fun and Party There are a few Primarchs who could have been warmaster and would have done an admirable job. most of them on the loyalist side. My short list would be In order Guilliman, Dorn, Johnson, Sanguinius. My reasoning, R&R had both ruled empires, there legions had their shit together ( no real internal conflicts)and they were generally open/honest in their dealings. Johnson, while their equal in strategy and leadship, his legion had issues that he really didn’t wish to deal with. this would bite him in the ass as warmaster.( how can you run a crusade when you cannot keep your own house in order?) Sanguinius is last, because first he didn’t want it, he really didn’t want it, a job that important shouldn’t be done when your heart is not in it. second, the red thirst, this is a distraction such a job can’t afford. All of these Primarchs are awesome. and the lines between then are razor close, but this would be my picks.

[@magnusthered5994]

Spike .Strat13 Lion was not fit to be the Warmaster. He was an apex Predator, the all rounder war machine, unmatched battle tactician but still not diplomatic and visionary enough to be the Warmaster.

[@funandparty2493]

@@magnusthered5994 Heresy😂😂😂😂

[@carlosfreitas1722]

Warhammer 40k lore is not just writing! It is RELIGION!

[@inquisitornanners2096]

Hey man. You make some pretty cool videos.

[@porphyrienne]

Curze knows each primarch better than most.

[@ashleyblight8165]

My theory is the secret message was to put seeds of treachery about Guilliman building his own empire, hence why he comes to visit him and question his actions whilst konrad is still aboard his ship

[@fox4469]

I'm new great channel love the content keep the awesome work

[@greatamazinga]

Keep them coming!! For the Lion!!

[@TheFedaykiin]

Request: Angron Vs Leman Russ (Book = Betrayer) Request: Angron Vs Robute Guilliman (Book = Betrayer)

[@Xkhaosxzeus]

I know... so what is the harm in talking one last time. And now I just want to cry!

[@LordInter]

facade = fasard, sorry to be that guy fella, much love from SE London Praise the emperor your stuff is amazing, 4th or 5th time I noticed lol

[@mikey2time484]

Why isn't primarch vs primarch battles in the main books.. crazy like I can't listen to this on audible it's not available. This shit is truly bad ass

[@ironstarofmordian7098]

This episode is one hell of a hum dinger.

[@johnwilliams9179]

If you think corsuain's description is interesting, servitar comparing konrad and corvus when seeing them side by side is just, chef's kiss

[@lioneljonson2339]

Good read, son.

[@taxidrivercarl6074]

Imagine if Curze had landed on Deliverance or Ultramar

[@calumdeighton]

That moment around the 10minute mark. Those are the moments where the real Primarch of the 8th emerges. I wish I could hear and read more moments like that. Not the machinations of the Night Haunter. And the Dark Angels. The more and more I hear about them in the Heresy. The more and more I want to learn about them. Cause their descendants in the modern Imperium, have a lot to stand for.

[@lordmortos979]

Facade!🤣 I got you bro, it goes like this fa-saad

[@djsaunter]

Konrad: "Victory is within my grasp!" Announcer: "Wait, what's that?! WHO IS THAT!? Crazed VULKAN with a metal chair!!!!!!"

[@darthbane1629]

As Emperor said to His Son's, Loyalty Can't Be Bought,it Must Be Earned Remember That My Son's !!!, Great Work as always I look forward For More 😎 Ave Imperator and Emperor Protect you 😎 !!!!.P.S. and Gz Brother on so many Suscribers, Keep the Good Work 😎 !!!!!!.