LIVE Discussion On Cancer, with Prof Bart Kay

[@kimp7977]

I was diagnosed with blood cancer in January, I have been on carnivore for about a year I believe because of my carnivore and excercise habits my bloodwork is the same as someone without cancer. I feel fabulous!!!

[@DCLearningtoLive]

well done

[@Thleta]

Amazing to hear.

[@alxdava2004]

Be careful about those diagnosis. Most of them are just lies.

[@CoderTerry]

🥰

[@RandomHuTaoSimp]

have you went further by adding cerules stem enhance utlra, lactobacillus ruiteri yogurt from doctor davis, grounding, reverse osmosis water, high vitamin D levels, avoiding EMF's and blue light and micro plastic exposure? I believe doing all this can actually REVERSE cancer due to how long your inflammation is. EMF's from phones and electronics and bluelight really affect your mitochondrial health. Like seriously

[@DCLearningtoLive]

Thank you again Dr Chaffee, really appreciate you taking the time to speak with us on this subject.

[@tracidavies3677]

Prof Bart is not only amazingly intelligent he is also totally adorable!

[@bart-kay]

Pim says I'm free to a good home. Lucky we just bought one, you'll have to move to PimBartia to take up this offer. LOL.

[@billybilly7440]

In all honesty these guys are on the ball ,but when it comes to Cancer Prof Thomas Seyfried is the Man

[@Stuart.Branson.]

No, he talks a good game but doesn't really know human physiology. No one does it seems.

[@FiZc]

I told my dad stuff about cancer I've seen here and he said he's afraid to upset the doctor. First time he went to the hospital he was constantly on the phone saying the nurse gave him cake again. Made me so angry. Now he's gone and the medical workers couldn't give a shieet. The pain I wish upon the medical workers...

[@MARZ-FM]

I used to be in Ontario Canada. I’d be dead if I never told them where to shove there attitude and paperwork.

[@ianstuart5660]

​@@MARZ-FM I'm still in Ontario. Where did you go?

[@johnc.8298]

If only they could mentally make the connection between why a P.E.T. Scan detects where tumors are located and why radioactive sugar is used. It's not a difficult concept!

[@carminecaiazzo6770]

@@MARZ-FM WOW! I COULD NOT AGREE MORE!!! I had a triple bypass this past June! for those days in the hospital they kept bringing me nothing but sugary and high carb foods to eat. Lets just say they were glad when I checked out!!

[@SirQuixoteofLaMancha]

Having a positive mind and thinking yourself better is half the battle.

[@SwazersC]

Thank you Dr Chaffee, I was sorry I missed you at the recent conference in Manchester. I had to cancel last minute. I hope you are well & keep up the good fight. Good luck to the folks affected by cancer in this podcast & the wider community. Let us hope the life-preserving protocols of the Ketogenic/Carnivore lifestyle keeps growing.

[@GraceFreund-y7v]

Thank you all especially the cancer patients. God Bless. I wish you the best. Also the doctors for helping us all understand about metabolic health. We just love you Dr Chaffee

[@chargermopar]

Was asleep when this came on, but since my favorite carnivore experts are here and my #1 cancer survivor it's a must watch!

[@AlimentaciónAncestral]

He estado mirando todo sobre las dietas cetogénicas y carnívoras y tiene muchísimo sentido: cuando dejas los carbohidratos, el cuerpo empieza a quemar grasa como energía y te sientes muchísimo más ligero y activo. ¡Es otra cosa!

[@egg399.]

Tines razon

[@lynnmcdonald3401]

I’ll be watching Rachel tonight - she was my room mate in Spain last week at the carnivore retreat! Thanks for this video it was fabulous. ❤

[@jhenyalovering41]

Thank you all for these life-saving gems! I haven't used sunscreen in over 25 years!

[@RedPilled100]

Listening from Fiji 🇫🇯

[@HML-it7te]

Bulla. Vinaka Vuka Vylue? from Australia 🇦🇺 (Spelling surely is wrong-LOL!) The Yasawa Islands are my favourite place in the whole world.

[@johneubank8543]

great guests - thank you so much to all for this wonderful video. I trust and respect these people.

[@saiya769]

Thanks for the livestream

[@c.sanchez4521]

Interviews with Ms. Sami are the best. She gives such wonderful insight.

[@MsTinaandJesus]

Thank you, Dr. Chaffee for your genius imput on these topics i wish i knew this information before my sister and momma passed away from cancer. However this is what caused me to research further when a dr. said its genetic and the rest of us need to take premeasures and keep regular testing since cancer.ran in our family. Now i am fighting back with my health by gaining knowledge watching you and others. trying to repair cells that lost life.

[@DangerZone-w6y]

The long term effect of constantly eating foods containing maltodextrin is that your body will begin to secrete more and more insulin. The problem with insulin is that it is a growth hormone. This allows tumor cells to grow more rapidly and causes a hormonal imbalance in the sex hormones (estrogen and testosterone).

[@BoldCarnivore]

Wow! So many of my friends in the same video!

[@TallinnCarnivore]

Thank you all❤!

[@lf7065]

So, my insulin levels have been at 2.5 for many years. Long before I became ketogenic/carnivore. I still test at this level. However, I have endometrial cancer and tested positive for Lynch syndrome. This is a genetic mutation where the cells repair mechanism is impaired. It often expresses as one ages. I've been through chemo for a metastasis, and now on Keytruda Immunotherapy infusions. The tumor has shrunk and is currently stable. Diet alone can not prevent such things, but it is certainly supportive. I do feel carnivore is helping me kerping up my strength and weight. Grateful for that. 🙂

[@skulijakobsson5116]

Have you looked into German New Medicin? Germanische Heilkunde.

[@lf7065]

@skulijakobsson5116 No, can you tell me more?

[@DCLearningtoLive]

good luck with treatments. you are right it's not diet alone, some life style changes are needed, and trying to live as natural as you can in this very unnatural world.

[@lf7065]

@DCLearningtoLive Thank you so much! Yes, very true. Like you, I take it one day at a time. Doing really great, all things considered. I'm enjoying my life. I'm really inspired by your success, DC! 🙂

[@CrisanneGalaske]

Excellent!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@billyquaide1902]

Since we know that cancer is a food-borne illness, the prevention and cure for most every cancer is not far away. Thanks for the mechanism of action from the Ivermectin/Fenbendozole on glutamine to reduce tumors. Have a friend with stage 4 lung cancer using this regimen and is helping-and happy he's listening to this unconventional (thank goodness!) and successful treatment.

[@egg399.]

metformin/berberine to lower blood glucose.

[@AbirTarafdar]

32:14 congratulations Mr DC. Ten years.

[@mariaiacono2058]

Great interview

[@vitalijussivakovas334]

Thank you for sharing. Love 😺 ❤

[@ThoughtsOnNews]

I was able to come off blood thinners with a directive to continue “for life” by living carnivore. 🥩 off almost all meds!!

[@richarderbe678]

D3 inhibits glutamine uptake ? Any studies ? Ivermectin (horse dewormer?) does what? What’s the pathway ? What does Chafee says is best range for d3 levels ? What would he use? Has he said in the past, here 220 he says is too high. Did I miss how to limit glutamine uptake, cancer ? AC: the reason “guidelines change “ (ie: diabetes ) isn’t the new learning , but rather because companies and health organizations need to increase and maximize profits. Thanks

[@egg399.]

search for iom metabolic therapy and you’ll see a paper published recently that details exactly all of this.

[@AbirTarafdar]

34:56 carnivore downsides: can’t sleep in, can’t really eat until the hard part of the day is done cuz you get sleepy.

[@Kate-d7t]

Omg, ever since being a kid I’ve wanted to sleep after eating!! In recent years I’ve had such trouble with fatigue that I started not eating at all just to be able to do a day’s work, which then led to other issues as I was not carnivore! The long fasting periods were the only times I felt I could do things, otherwise, I’m too low in all ways. This also meant my migraines stopped due to fasting. But once I eat again the migraines are back. The years of depression with all my eating and food issues led to my eventual relapse (in 12step recovery for years) so now, tapering down the opiate substitute meds, I HAVE to address my eating, gut and brain issues as migraines back with a vengeance and I’m trying to stay clean! I’m fascinated to see whether people feel that jumping straight in to carnivore is best way forward if very damaged, or keto first? 🙏🍁🍁🍁

[@Kate-d7t]

@ thank you so much, that’s interesting, and helpful! X

[@Kate-d7t]

@@andyc7747 aw, thank you so much!! I’ll keep you posted!! 🤩

[@Kate-d7t]

@@andyc7747 …..congrats and well done on turning things around! Very inspiring for me to hear as I identify with you…🙏🍁🍁🍁

[@carminecaiazzo6770]

Thank you for this interview with my 2 favorite people. Can anyone clarify one of the three things Prof. Kay mentioned for how to minimize the effect of cancer cells getting fuel, was it "dichloride acetate" and what does it do? The other 2 were, no glucose ingesting and Horse wormer???

[@annegabels6680]

think he means ivermectin...?? if someone could verify this?

[@bart-kay]

@@annegabels6680 dichloroacetate (DCA) "irretrievably" converts glucose to pyruvate, but upregulating the PDH enzyme complex. It drains the cell of glucose, in effect.

[@MelzCarnivoreJourney]

Doesn't chemotherapy damage the surrounding healthy) mitochondria and cause them to release glucose (thereby providing "food" for the cancer cells)? Isn't that one mechanism for the additional cancers to develop?

[@egg399.]

chemo kills everything. However getting into therapeutic ketosis you can ask your onco to reduce the dose.

[@davem4193]

I've heard professor Seyfried mention that can happen with certain types of cancers.

[@gerard6629]

I don’t pretend to be knowledgeable about cancer. My thought process is it is probably better to have the body make what is needed. As examples, D3 and ketones. Is it the high levels of these things? Or is it the process of making these things that keep us healthy? The other day Nick Norwitz was talking about how much higher his ketones are when he uses MCT oils than when he uses saturated fat. Is one better than the other? I surmise as long as the body is using the fats and protein to complete necessary processes, the fact that your body is doing the hard work of making and benefiting from the end products makes endogenous production superior to just supplementing with the end products.

[@egg399.]

Having high ketones suppresses the cell’s requirement for glucose and as long as your glucose is fairly low your insulin will be low too. It is good to make them naturally by burning fat after you have depleted your stores you will need help by eating more fat and sometimes adding MCT oil. You can use the mct as part of therapy such as taking before getting into hbot.

[@hoodoooperator.5197]

I just can't eat once per day. It's not feasible. I train BJJ or weights in the evenings. I can't work a full day and train afterwards without having lunch because I can't concentrate when I'm hungry. I'd be massively under-eating if I didn't eat after training as well. It has to be two meals per day for me. Also, I find that the less I eat, the more I think about junk food and that I can't fit a full day's food into my stomach in one sitting.

[@skulijakobsson5116]

5 days - 5 marathons. Fasting. That is possible when you are properly fat additive. 😘 A tanker with 20.000 liters of gas, has access to a 300 liters gas tank. A "properly" connected tanker has access to all of the gas. Properly connect yourself 😜

[@egg399.]

once you get off of carbs your body will learn to properly absorb fats and fuel you for 18-24 hours without an issue. Anyway, eat when you feel hungry and stop when you feel full. Aim for 2:1 fat:protein at each meal and take it from there.

[@hoodoooperator.5197]

@egg399. I've been doing this for nearly 3 years. I cannot maintain this training regime and working full time by eating once per day.

[@stevenjohnston2263]

Can the mitochondria be damaged and therefore made vulnerable to becoming cancerous if the individual is injected with a toxic substance (that may even be specifically designed to impact the mRNA)?

[@RedPilled100]

Yep one may listen to Dr.Thomas Seyfried who studied how cancer survives on glucose and glutamine through ancient fermentation pathways (problematic oxidative phosphorylation).Interestingly cancer cells cannot use fatty acids & ketones for fuel thus the ketogenic lifestyle is beneficial for halting cancer growth/metastasis. He also found that nuclei of normal cells placed in cancerous cytoplasm won't change the cancer properties of those cells therefore the cytoplasm have potentially faulty homeostasis

[@chrisminifie219]

You just might be on to something

[@jekim3]

Take a look at the lecture by Kevin mckerna

[@Talletc]

@@andyc7747I’m confident this was rhetorical

[@chavbudgie4299]

See Angus Dalgiesh

[@T-Moss777]

I missed the live show but was so hoping someone would talk about the main ingredient in dog dewormer (which you can get for humans) that supposedly kills cancer cells. I have had a few people tell me that it helped them

[@tulipohare12]

Hey Bart!

[@bart-kay]

Hello Tulip.

[@Livingtabitha]

I’m carnivore and my understanding is meat and seafood and eggs are high in glutamine. So I’m confused if we want to lower glutamine how would we do this eating carnivore?

[@ianstuart5660]

Watch Dr. Casey Peavler. He has a program for blocking glutamine absorption!

[@nalissolus9213]

Same, I'm confused on this too. If I had cancer I would probably limit my protein intake to maybe 100grams a day and primarily eat animal fat and butter. Seems to be the best way, you can't eliminate glutamine without eliminating animal protein so...I guess the best approach is just eat enough for minimal maintenance and accept that ur muscle will shrink. As long as I don't have cancer I will not worry about this.

[@09mubarak]

Glutamine is essential to for our bodies to function. Unfortunately cancer cells can utilize it to live & grow. You die without it. The benefit of carnivore is that your risk of getting cancer might be significantly lower.

[@lf7065]

Dr. Chaffee just said in this talk that heat denatures glutamine. So, consume your animal foods cooked. And exercise, because it too, reduces glutamine.

[@ws7001]

@@nalissolus9213 If you are water fasting, after 20 days( or 3 days if fat adapted) you are only losing 20 grams of protein daily although 400 grams of proteins are being recycled daily for ongoing maintenance( plenty of glutamine). Maybe 30 grams of protein would prevent muscle loss while fasting , assuming some inefficiencies. With daily eating maybe 50-60grams of protein would be enough with 280-300 grams of fat. DON seems to be the only strong glutamine inhibitor, vitamin D3 is about 20-25% effective. Look at Dr Seyfried’s protocol. It’s involved. High dose melatonin might be useful with this.

[@andyhemmings7363]

Where do you find out about the stem cell cd34+ you ralk about, hiw do you get it/use it? Any info with thanks. 👍

[@edwardaligonzalez123]

🧠💥💯💪🏽👍🏾 thanks 4 sharing

[@michaelamaestas4950]

I have cancer

[@pumpkin67704]

Dr. Thomas Seyfried has done research and has a book on treatment that you might like to look for.

[@michaelamaestas4950]

@@pumpkin67704 , yup

[@skulijakobsson5116]

Look into German New Medicin - Germanische Heilkunde.

[@egg399.]

You can beat it. get a keto mojo and eat fat, meat, eggs and aim for 1g protein per kg body weight. Aim for 2g fat /kg and

[@heidibuys2831]

❤❤❤

[@Talletc]

How many of you stage four are jabbed?

[@egg399.]

millions I bet

[@annegabels6680]

i would like to know that too...i think many are...turbo cancers, look up dr. john campbell

[@arwenhardy1995]

Does anyone have an opinion on the Hepatitis A & B vaccinations? I have Hepatitis C but took treatment and it's not returned in 7 years but my hematologist is pushing the A & B vaccine series.

[@lavadaburke703]

What do mean “ground yourself electrically??

[@skulijakobsson5116]

Look it up! A lesson learned, is a lesson earned. 😘

[@skulijakobsson5116]

Or is it the other way 😂

[@josephschmeggins6311]

I never hear prostate cancer mentioned in these discussions. It’s the most common cancer among men yet it gets very little airtime during these types of conversations.

[@timwallace5786]

Agree. Wish they would discuss it more.

[@misse2013]

I tried to find the debate livestream that was mentioned at the end of this, but I don't see it anywhere. Anyone know where I can find it?

[@bart-kay]

It did not occur, Richard Burgess ran away.

[@sansnom]

I was disappointed that no one has mentionned the apoptoptic property of iodine. I am sure that supra physiological dosage of iodine won't be hurting with cancer

[@RussellBentleyoz]

Cancer is the cure

[@skulijakobsson5116]

It is a healing phase.

[@davitbeliashvili2500]

22:26 Does the professor mention the ho rse de wo rme r?

[@egg399.]

many papers mention it. powerful part of your toolkit

[@egg399.]

iver or fen ?

[@davitbeliashvili2500]

I suppose will be IVAR ​@@egg399.

[@bart-kay]

Any glutamate blocker will serve.

[@egg399.]

@@davitbeliashvili2500 Add EGCG to your ptotocol in that case.

[@Livingtabitha]

Grounding or earthing? I’ve heard some contradictory statements about grounding by Paul Saladino. He was at first a huge proponent of grounding but found there to be oh gosh something. Now I sound like a fool because I can’t remember exactly what he said. But it was no good. Earthing(standing outside in the grass barefoot) is way better. If someone knows what I’m trying to say please add it in the comments.

[@SeatoSky1111]

I wonder if it's cuz the grounding sheets might emit EMF's or something or the mats or whatever people use. Just a guess. I haven't heard Dr. Saladino on this but that's what im afraid of. I live in Seattle so I try to put my feet in puget sound, sand, wet grass, but not always possible . I'm curious, hope someone answer your great question.

[@Livingtabitha]

@ yes! That’s it! They tested it and the MFS were through the roof.

[@Livingtabitha]

@ you’ll never beat nature. We gotta figure out a way to get our feet in the grass and sand as much as possible. Also turning off WiFi in our homes when we don’t need it. Not sleeping with our phones and so on.

[@bart-kay]

Nothing "Salad-I-Don't-Know" says is worth hearing, he's simply an imbecile.

[@phillipsfit]

You’ve got to be careful with grounding, not everyone (especially those who are immune compromised and battling cancer) can handle such a high parasympathetic stimulus. I’ve seen many people go into a neuroprotective state while grounded. In Polyvagal Theory terminology, it’s known as a dorsal vagal flop state, where motor output is diminished, along with all autonomic functions-of particular concern in cancer sufferers would be the down-regulation of the immune system. I’ve tested this with both grounding sheets and actual earthing outdoors, with the same results consistently and repeatably.

[@X39640]

What about PH and parasites

[@Talletc]

Well parasites for sure

[@jksinorbit]

Mary Ruddock is great with parasite

[@gregrauscher4524]

@@andyc7747 Because parasitic infection can cause cancer!

[@X39640]

@@andyc7747 Ivermectin kills different kinds of cancer and they have knows about it for a long time. They also put it in the injections straight in the blood. No stomach acid can kill them

[@Cyberrjey001]

22:26 Horse wormer??

[@gregrauscher4524]

Yes...Ivermectin. I was stage 3+ and I used this as part of my protocol. Cancer is GONE!! No carnivore diet needed or wanted. Fresh vegetables, D3 and a few other things....

[@egg399.]

iver or fen ?

[@tommykopperud4638]

Jack kruse speak about this. Locking the door on the cells so viruses have problems entering. Therefore not allowed to speak about for long

[@stephen8484]

"encourage your adult stem cell system". Could anyone explain to me what exactly does Prof. Bart Kay mean here?

[@stephen8484]

@@DCLearningtoLive Thanks 👍

[@bart-kay]

@@DCLearningtoLive Put your Cerule URL up here man...

[@egg399.]

Vegan gains ran away from the interview

[@gregoryswanepoel6328]

just cant understand sami

[@anti-christ.666]

1:09:24 why is Dr Chaffee still referring to calories as a valid metric?

[@anti-christ.666]

@andyc7747 calories are a universally incorrect metric! Humans do not combust food like a bomb calorimeter.

[@anthonychaffeemd]

@@anti-christ.666 I'm definitely not referring to them as a valid metric, it's just an easy way of conveying information about eating less in the context of cancer, as that's how it is referred to in the literature, calorie restricted ketogenic diets. Basically you just eat less than your body requires from an energy standpoint and this seems to help. However you do need the same amount of nutrients, which is why liver and other organs are important. But you're a totally correct, calories are overly poor wave referring to energy, but it's just an easier way to get this information across.

[@anti-christ.666]

@anthonychaffeemd I feel honored that you responded to my question. But I do feel that continuing to use the language of a concept that we know is completely incorrect when it comes to human food consumption will only perpetuate the misunderstanding. It would be more useful to refer to food in context of volume.

[@Stuart.Branson.]

Oh dear - when I heard a stupid word like "genetic" I have to switch off, that was around 4 mins 🙈

[@josephschmeggins6311]

I never hear prostate cancer mentioned in these discussions. It’s the most common cancer among men yet it gets very little airtime during these types of conversations.

[@johnp7739]

All the attention, billions in fund raisers, "races for the cure" etc. for breast cancer and practically nothing for prostate cancer.