Live From The Table: Ann Coulter. Immigration, Forgiving Trump, Worries About the "Crazy" Hard Right

[@WKHerb]

I tried to listen but the hosts use the term "dreamers" as if it means something aspirational. They only use it to refer to children in the country illegally and never to refer to the "dreams" of American children. It is ugliness to my ears. It signals a preferential compassion for foreign children over American children. If one would express compassion for all children, fine, but they don't.

[@platinumuschannel]

I remember when Ann insisted Trump couldn't win a second time, I believe on the PBD podcast. What a sour grape.

[@marvinbrando722]

She is nobody. Nothing of nothing. Now she is saying "forgiving trump." I hate these establishments junk

[@arthurfonzarelli9828]

You nailed it. She was very opinionated. The thing is not everyone's right all the time and she should be allowed to be wrong but what's pathetic is the fact she acts like she has a good feel about middle America and the way we feel but the problem is she doesn't she's just another coastal elite

[@needparalegal]

As a 16 year old I had to prove citizenship to get a job at the local sandwich shop, HOW THE EFF do illegals have jobs?

[@PanSearedRibeye68]

@@needparalegal Probably because you’re white. If you’re Hispanic they ask but only so they can determine if they can pay under the table.

[@deepzepp4176]

"Lets swamp our country with infinite migrants because they make my wraps and bagels quicker"

[@jamesbomd3503]

If Ann would have played her cards right and supported Trump She would now be tapped for a job in his administration Sadly for Anne saying that she's so happy on November the 6th after the horse is bolted as greatly affected her brand, But she was bitter after Trump took office the first time and didn't allow our access to the oval Office

[@hebber1961]

Correct. She's a single issue figure and it's hurt her. She's basically put herself out in the wilderness by becoming so negative to Trump.

[@jamesbomd3503]

@hebber1961 she had no right to talk to Trump the way that she did at the oval office and clearly she didn't realise at the time that trump was being manipulated and pulled from left to right by his administration staff that had been hand-picked by the disingenuous lobby ridden and greedy Republican party purely to frustrate his plans. Ann I should have taken a leaf out of Steve bannon's book walk away and still be friends with Trump Set up a podcast and support trump through that. She would of had one of the biggest podcasts in the country by now. instead she threw her toys out of her pram. It's very dark and cold in space right now for Anna

[@nicksmith128]

The far left will always demonize Ann Coulter, but when you stop clipping her, and actually listen to her long forum… she makes more sense than any other person in the room. She turned me on to politics in 2007, and I’ve never thought the same.

[@zyajones9360]

It's a shame that Ann Coulter never had children ...she seem like she would've been a great mother to passes down the America First 🇺🇸 movement to her grandkids ...

[@Iwantmymtv]

Seeing the roast of Rob Lowe made me starting to like Ann Coulter. Seeing those leftwing unfunny comedians like Alan Carr going at her during that roast, was just so rude and hypocrite. Leftwing people in general are a much less nicer than rightwing people in real life.

[@paulatreides4274]

So you mean the people always whining and complaining about society, rioting in the street and calling everybody names aren't so nice ? Go figure. 🤣

[@asruluveira]

@@paulatreides4274 yep. Look at nomiki and Jessica from the hill (rising). They literally side with the criminals esp when the crime is in a blue state./city 1 example which I can remember vividly is when Jessica argue that teenager that do carjacking should not go to jail even when they have kill a guy in Washington. Which is batshit insane. Amber (co-host) couldn't understand why she shill for a killer. Jess looks like she wanna cry but keep digging deeper hole by saying that those carjacker need those car to go buy grocery or go to their job cos they can't afford to buy a car. Totally ignoring amber question why she is shilling for a killer and sticking to her gun that they shouldn't go to jail.

[@franckiewicz0831]

Hate her or love her, you gotta respect her for saying exactly what she thinks irrespective of who will inevitably be offended.

[@Felix_Ruber]

Watching the boomers get "sentimental" over their slave-laborers is wild. "I couldn't have built this plantation without my imported slaves." So sick.

[@andrewforce6516]

Ummm. Those "slaves" are employed. Which...is somewhat divergent from one of the major tenants of slavery.

[@Felix_Ruber]

@@andrewforce6516 slaves were provided with subsistence, too. according to your suburban 'logic', slaves weren't actually slaves.

[@eugenesant9015]

What is ann doing with these leftist goons? The second he said cis....I'm out.

[@strutter191]

lol proudly staying in ur bubble ey?

[@eugenesant9015]

@strutter191 says the brainwashed leftist who doesn't disagree with your party on any of their craziness, be it their global warming scam or their transgenda.

[@techserviceondemand9409]

Ann never disappoints (hats off to the rest of the crew too). I've seen a few hour+ Ann now, every time I thought "do I really want to burn an hour??", but I always come away enlightened and entertained. I am not even right inclined.

[@AutomationDnD]

_DAMN!_ Ann's *Sharp* I've MISSED seeing her on shows

[@resonarsmith6369]

You’re calling Trump lazy??? That is absolutely the last thing I would call him!!!

[@je__.]

fr, my man literally still campaigning till 3 AM on election day! and how about after 3 hours convo with Rogan flying to another state giving more than an hour speech at a rally that he could cancel...

[@matthewthomasjames]

Truly that statement alone shows how deranged she is.

[@ThelSuperlKing]

Not reading your briefs is lazy even the ones summarised with bullet points and pictures. They should try audio books or KZbin videos this time.

[@nancyhoffman846]

Ann is 100% correct about Bergdorf’s. I shopped there back then. The changing rooms are also kept locked and must be opened by sales person.

[@vikiunspellable9935]

The voice on that other woman…is going right down my spine. Ouch.

[@timkunkel5431]

God, no kidding. Imagine being married to that voice. I'd rather listen to Kamala's disgusting cackle.

[@davidl3985]

Anne was the only man in the room!!

[@paulcolburn3855]

She made everyone in that room, smarter.

[@davidl3985]

@@paulcolburn3855 Yeah those guys are embarassing!!

[@paulcolburn3855]

@@davidl3985 When she talks, and when people really bother to listen to her, two things happen. #1) they start to think and re-valuate. #2) Ann starts to think and sometimes she gets turned around. This is the way conversations are supposed to happen but people don't generally do that anymore. That is because too many people have grown up never having to listen to anyone else.

[@mrlij6534]

Coulter doesnt like Matt Gaetz? thats odd because thats the only guy i trust to truly shake up the DOJ. I dont know if Pam Bondi is strong enough to do it but her strong relation with Gaetz gives me hope

[@Bolthole_Studios]

Love this, all viewpoints expressed and respected. No one was silenced or cancelled for a different opinion. And all with laughter and comedy. This is how we used to be, keep it up!

[@johncartledge1114]

My 69 year old brother, was suffering from severe symptoms from undiagnosed celiac disease. He couldn't get into an area facilitiy in order to be tested due toCovid overcrowding. Meanwhile, he got the vaccine. A week and a half later he was admitted to ICU. A month later, he was released and was wheel-chair ridden and could only speak in two-word sentences. He's still in that condition. Doctors told him it was due to complications from celiac. I can't find anything that confirms that. I know in my heart it's from the vaccine and doctors feared blowback. We need more research.

[@kimbrown5024]

Probably so!

[@ArnB-hk4hn]

55:52 Gender affirming care 🙄 We don't need to affirm lies... puberty blockers aren't just about gender,it's about HEIGHT and bone growth..... our current society sux-

[@viewer3091]

Love her or dislike her ~ ~ At least she speaks plainly and is not afraid to speak plainly.

[@brianmeen2158]

If we had more women like Ann then America would be in a much better place

[@anthonyc7045]

That's the problem. . . one of the hosts talks about getting his bagel as quickly as possible. Is that what illegal immigrants are here for ? So that an upwardly mobile person can have their breakfast made for them? Or they can have pizza delivered to them at 11 pm ? Just another sub class slave workforce ? America. . . in terms of work force was more equal before it was decided that a group of people would be imported to take over that system. A workforce who would be fearful of ever complaining to their employer or to the government about their working conditions. All for the convenience of getting a bagel quickly, at any time of the day or a pizza delivered at 11 pm. What selfishness. Before this, the occasional trip to the deli or laundry was greeted by employees who were your neighbors. Their children attended the same school that yours did. Everyone in that community were in the same boat in terms of income and expectations for their children's future. Now. . . it's the upwardly mobile taking advantage of slave labor. Not knowing or CARING how or where these illegal immigrants live . . All the while justifying their misdeeds by praising these workers as those who are doing things "regular Americans" refuse to do OR by thinking that they are doing these illegals a favor by either employing them or patronizing businesses who do.

[@jdub8301]

Yes

[@joedoe-sedoe7977]

Well said, plus they drive down wages to the point that people wont take the jobs that was always done by Americans in the past.

[@Adsflig]

I believe that was a joke.

[@anthonyc7045]

@@joedoe-sedoe7977 Thank you. You too. And we haven't discussed how the influx of these illegal immigrants drive up the cost of housing. There is a limited supply of housing units and a sudden influx of people drive up the cost because landlords know that the value of their property increases as demand increases. How about crowded schools because of the influx of these illegals and the longer lines at health care offices and emergency rooms ? Those doctors and health care workers did NOT sign on for that added work.

[@akbarshoed]

I love how, once an election resolves the issue of illegal immigration, everyone wants to JUST START this discussing the topic.

[@kkhunt7]

Time to talk about all immigration.... Jews want to decrease the amount of anglos/aryians and white Christians. It was Jewish organizations that lobbied the heck out of the immigration act of the 60's and today Jewish organizations and billionaires fund mass immigration of the 3rd world to America, Canada, Australia, and Europe. America was 96% white and Christian before the 1960's immigration act. No one asked for it more than the Jewish powers. Israel needs multiculturalism too, or wait no they don't like that.

[@glennanderson8981]

These leftists are so wrong about transing the kids. It is an important issue and the leftists are wrong and delusional.

[@Discoursivist]

You should think about the woman's point about numbers. This is a very fringe issue that is not directly affecting a lot of people

[@8r3n69]

They’re so contradicting. So dreamers must go but their illegal workers stay? It’s getting shamelessly arbitrary which makes these conversations unserious.

[@jediryan9454]

100% all those "11 million phantom illegals" are going nowhere. Because it's a made up BS number. Ana Coulter is right the GOP have been saying that line about 11 million illegals for decades and decades. Don't believe me, go google it and look it up. Trump said he was going to fix that problem in 2016 and guess what, he didn't fix anything. Didn't build that wall that Mexico was going to pay for it. And now that he ran on that 11 million illegal lie again, he will again do that same shit. Deport a few people get a photo op and then go enrich his billionaire buddies like Elon Musk and other billionaire donors. Then the next GOP president wannabe will rinse repeat the same shit over and over again.

[@jdub8301]

The rich need a slave class. That's what illegal immigration has always been about.

[@RealFrankStone]

What needs to be done cannot be said.

[@eugenesant9015]

The rinos like Paul Ryan denied Trump the wall in his first two years. A lot of them are gone.... And you can thank Trump for that.

[@stevejames9531]

Wait he openly admitted to hiring ilegals knownly knowing that is against the law and the punch line to the cop is?

[@dr.brianjudedelimaphd743]

She really doesn’t age- plus she is smart, articulate and witty …

[@georgenunns9619]

35:33 if you want real covid science read Pfizer’s internal documents on their Covid shot or “The Pfizer Papers” by Naomi Wolf which is a summary of them

[@hebber1961]

The gaslighting from the chick hostess. Off the charts.

[@TimG-lq1pe]

I disagree with Ann on a lot of stuff but i love her.

[@denniswilson9030]

the host of this show is wrong about herd immunity.

[@franckiewicz0831]

Only person missing here is Jimmy Dore

[@ethanhare8026]

Add some reality about Israel

[@oldbeergangster2381]

Why is this channel called Comedy Cellar? There is no humour here.

[@JWFdocumentaries]

Ann for press secretary

[@pete31123]

"We have negative population growth without immigrants...." So, the solution is more immigrants? No, how about changing the terrible economic/social dynamics that discourage family formation in the US. Also, the carrying capacity of the US continent is 150 million. We are at 336 million. All of our problems are harder to solve with a burgeoning population except for faux economic growth driven solely by having more bodies to clothe and feed. How about a smaller, higher quality population in which everyone can achieve their unique potential than importing the world's poor coming from cultures that don't care about American values.

[@s.l.george7348]

What empirical evidence do you have that the carrying capacity of the USA is 150 million ppl versus 336 million? The USA has no shortage of food, water, energy.....

[@PanhandleFrank]

“TeH cArrYiNg CaPaCiTy oF tEh US cOnTiNeNt iZ 150 MiLLiOn!!!” 🤪 Source(s) please …

[@oatmealhoney7446]

I don’t necessarily know or agree with anyone’s opinions in this pod but I LOVE seeing different perspectives in the same room. This is how people learn. Real open discussion. Thank you for having such a disliked public figure on! (I don’t like her a ton but she truly gets me thinking, I love it, very smart lady)

[@hassegawamkt]

What Ann says at around 14:40 is 💯 p cent true! Im a Brazilian who lived in Australia in 2013/14. Im a software engineer, studied English for academic purposes ik Australia and won a scholarship there. It is EXTREMELY difficult to get a VISA to work there legally. Im a software engineer with 14 years of experience in the IT industry and by the way not only is it difficult, but very expensice too! I see those border crossings and people simply getting in and staying AND killing americans like Laken Riley and im like WTF?! Its not fair... Thank you Ann for soeaking facts!

[@smacwhinnie]

RFK is an actual intelligent Kennedy

[@bephanie]

Ann Coulter is 1000 percent right about the border. if you have been chillin here for years and you havent prepared to try and become a citizen by learning English, getting your money together, etc - THATS ON YOU. There is no country in the world where you can just hang out for years without being a citizen. This apart of being an adult. Get your shit together and follow the laws of the country that you're in.

[@8r3n69]

My issue is, if you’re somewhere for like 10 years then that’s your home. They’re creating a mess. The best idea is secure the border in a way future voters can decide the appropriate amount to receive and how, deport all criminals. Make citizenship exclusive and difficult to obtain. People having babies shouldn’t automatically be citizens. & if dreamers have to go so to should the workers that Ann and those hosts are gushing over. (As if those are the only hard working immigrants 😂) this is getting bad because they’re realizing trumps base doesn’t agree with them.

[@OhioVworld]

@@8r3n69No, just being somewhere for X yrs does not make that home…. Did you have another idea to consider?

[@JeremyWashington1489]

I agree, “dreamers” gotta go absolutely immediately. Every single one.

[@diegodesouza9697]

Why?

[@fkillah]

@@diegodesouza9697Obama took illegal executive action and these people are illegal to begin with!

[@floydiandreamscapes5145]

Had Congress given President Trump the money to build the wall it would have gotten built.

[@PedroFigueiredo-ti7vu]

Equating legal and illegal immigrants is absurd! Legal immigration is expensive and hard. You need to have money reserves and if you cannot find a good job in relation to your qualifications you will be a small entrepreneur, creating jobs for Americans...

[@primurph]

It’s nice to hear different viewpoints from different anti working class elitists.Not all anti worker elites are exactly the same even though they all like cheap labor.

[@GairikGhosh]

Usual Anne challenging feelings and outrage with facts and logic.

[@elizabethkurens6247]

Make her go away

[@mizzmaria5215]

Is this an actual comedy show? "Let's weep over the plight of illegal aliens! We're for trans rights!" Ann was the only funny person here.

[@NathanStuart-g4i]

Ann is right

[@danblack5402]

Oh, thank goodness, Ann Coulter is forgiving Trump. That’s a load off. Now we can move forward as a country.

[@TenTenJ]

Anne Coulter is my Trump, she’s my make America great again.

[@roberteigen4499]

how sad

[@TenTenJ]

@ I feel awesome, how are you doing? There was a time that I could say that without you feeling threatened and need to insult me.

[@roberteigen4499]

@@TenTenJ how am I insulting you?

[@TenTenJ]

@@roberteigen4499 silly you, stop playing games, it’s time for us all to grow up.

[@TenTenJ]

@@roberteigen4499 And…you call me sad because you have a stereotype in your mind of who and what I am. I am the child of legally naturalized citizens. English was not my first language. And I’m unmarried female in the arts. So sad.

[@prmaninla]

"I'm not a covid hysteric" except his whole rant about it pretty shows he was a covid hysteric.

[@stefanmironov6405]

unfathomably based

[@random-J]

Forgiving trump 😂, after she spent the last 4 years wanting him to get beat

[@marvinbrando722]

She is consuming drugs. Thats the only conclusion

[@jimfesta8981]

The fact that Ann has to explain to these men why Dreamers don't belong here, shows us why we have a problem controlling our borders. They're all fine with the Dreamers staying here, just not next door to where they live.

[@jediryan9454]

I see no dreamers next to my trailer park.

[@Discoursivist]

I'm perfectly fine with Dreamers living next door to me - I would in fact marry a Dreamer as much as I would anyone else - because I haven't been exposed to the false propaganda you've been exposed to about them.

[@jimfesta8981]

@@Discoursivist Suggest you move to Los Angeles. You'll find all the so-called dreamers you want. You'll also find one morning; your car doesn't have its catalytic converter anymore. Then tell us all about the false propaganda.

[@AriZBlade]

This is fantastic

[@alexghaderi6529]

I can appreciate the fact that she is authentically herself. I quite enjoy listening to her. Great podcast.

[@JCChavz]

Ann is a National Treasure. We must protect her at all cost.

[@Boog-Burley]

Get that woman off the podcast ASAP (not the guest, the host) she has the most irritating, nails on a chalkboard voice and cackle, it makes the entire podcast unbearable. Or give her a non speaking position for the show. I can’t listen anymore.

[@traditionalsoldier3639]

Agreed

[@Bankerguy]

The shrieking laughter of the blonde (not Ann) was enough to turn this off early.

[@VincenzoC749]

For real, I don’t think I’ve ever heard a more grating and shrill voice.

[@Vincent-s5g]

How does ann think she would have done if she had the resistance that trump faced from both sides in his first term? Don't agree with everything trump did in1st term,but he had the border under control with the remain in Mexico policy.

[@pdk213]

This was fantastic. I guess diverse viewpoints CAN coexist.

[@thankuwere]

0:20 +1 vote for more Sherrod and Dan (both on The Cellar lineups and on these podcasts)

[@dannaturman1570]

Werd

[@dumy187]

If all of this culture war stuff is trivial and such a distraction from "the real issues," then surrender the culture war stuff. Problem solved. We can now move on to "the real issues."

[@hutchmm138]

"We have vaccine immunity..." Bro, c'mon. 😂😂😂

[@sharondunn6513]

this was such a pleasure to watch. It should be used as an object lesson of how people nuanced and differing opinions can get together, have a civilized conversation, laugh and show genuine affection for each other.

[@neilspun3691]

It's not just about playing sports. It is receiving scholarships. Some of those girls wouldn't be able to go to university without that scholarship.

[@dumy187]

They make absurd assertions like, within the sphere of sports, there's no difference between men and women, and then demand that you prove otherwise. The burden of proof is on them. They're proposing an experiment with results that won't come in for 50+ years (long time horizons on stuff like the bathroom openness). Today's arguments are about the results of the stats 50+ years from now. On the few areas with short time horizons, the evidence is already pouring in.

[@ArnB-hk4hn]

I came here for Ann. This was hilarious and gives me hope...

[@be1150-c7u]

I hear this fallacy of relative privation a lot from Leftists on trans issues. Whether it’s bathrooms, locker rooms, sports in general, it’s this dismissing of the issue as insignificant due to its supposed rarity, rather than addressing its implications. One of the speakers used this false argument when she claimed “how often does that even happen and shouldn’t we be talking more about education?” False argument. If you disagree, formulate a reason and articulate it.

[@D12345]

"Jews are champion WASPs" thats the first time I heard that one. 😅

[@timmit-s4d]

Ann Coulter turns 63 in December, wtf !?! she is still beautiful !!

[@jackjackthompson5771]

Are you drunk? 😂🤮

[@prometheusrex1]

She's had a wealthy, childless life. Might as well have something to show for it.

[@glowormMKM]

i am a fan of you Ann Coulter.. and you should move on and you are still an inspiring personality.. wish you all the best.. I'd like to see your own podcasts going forward.. take heed.. you can be the real you.. move it..

[@georgenunns9619]

35:33 this host is a mo’ron! Can he really not be aware that pharma funds all of our federal health agencies as well all of the studies he’s relying on???? Does he not know what operation crimson contagion and event 201 are?

[@pickyglicky5174]

Ann coulter is based

[@S.J.L]

Immigration should be near exclusive to women and families. Rare exceptions, limited to a small percentage, of highly skilled, vetted and qualified single men.

[@MB-vu3ow]

That woman’s grating laugh is like a nails on a chalkboard and may force me to exit.

[@zeeman3684]

Bye

[@Gettingitreal]

Great great civil useful conversation. Thank you

[@stum2730]

Negative population growth? Well if people cannot have children, afford to feed and cloth them and get them educated......they tend to stop. So instead of fixing this, putting prices down, making things affordable......the answer is to invite in low skill workers or unchecked individuals? Big business needs sorting out! They make so much money, they need sorting out!

[@stinkletoes8285]

Watch where she said trump would win on Bill mahers show in 2016.....they all laughed..

[@Americanoligarchy]

Ann Coulter is a national treasure.

[@elizandropedraza1286]

She basically saying a single race is bad and worthless , and need be arrested and kicked out , no matter born here or not.🙄

[@deztinationstv]

I love you Dan

[@crevecouer6772]

Are these commentators drunk ?

[@dumy187]

This is the "Comedy Cellar" channel. Yes, one or two of them may be drunk.

[@BrookeTalks-f2n]

Ann needs to understand what AMERICA First actually means

[@dienomo]

What does it mean?

[@kkhunt7]

No dual loyalty, that's a real problem for Joos and Israel plus the people funded/Blackmailed by Zionists.

[@squifty]

I feel sorry for Ann Coulter. She's absolutely brilliant, and I always enjoy listening to her. Her wit is razor sharp. But after she turned on Trump, not a lot of people want to talk to her anymore so I don't see her very much online.

[@arthurfonzarelli9828]

It's cuz she doesn't have a clue what's going on in the country that's the problem. You are right she is smart but her TDS took over and she's out of touch she's basically a female rhino. The majority of the country likes Donald Trump especially middle America. It's not because he's great it's because he's not a Democrat who are despised by the majority of Americans

[@sburn1919]

It’s actually because she was shadowbanned

[@INFLATION.IS.BRUTAL]

ANN COULTER SHOULD BE PART OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION!!!🐘🇺🇸🫡

[@jswhosoever4533]

He's too busy filling the positions with swamp creatures.

[@warrenpaine]

Ann has about as much chance of that happening as Lizard Cheney.

[@INFLATION.IS.BRUTAL]

LUV ME SOME LOGICAL ANN COULTER WISDOM..🤔😃👍

[@evalramman7502]

Trump will always have a problem keeping the loyalty of the truly Conservative and even the Hard Right.

[@--------RR007----------]

No such thing as a dreamer. Its made up branding, very manipulative.

[@mikedavis-ip5cx]

The guy in the blue sweater with the gray beard needs to take a chill pill and let others talk. He keeps talking over the second woman, who hardly ever gets a word in edgewise.

[@monember2722]

Compromised "conservative". I wrote coulter off years ago.

[@markaaronsite]

Ann, you're looking good these days, better, like you've gained some weight or something so your face isn't as drawn. Smart as a whip though, that has not changed. And Ann has courage to articulate views that softy Americans have a hard time stomaching. All I say is read "Adios America".

[@John-f3s4n]

I don't like the dumb blonde, but the final joke about " as long as they are trans they can stay" was hilarious

[@ltcolumbo9708]

The Robin "ha ha ha" Quivers of this podcast defines desperation and wallpaper. Good Lord lady... just be quiet This spanish speaking customer really got pissed off cos I asked a question in English..United States of Spanish. I voted for Bush Jr... big dumb mistake. Voted for Obama...somebody please examine my brain. I didn't vote for Trump BUT DAMN RELIEVED HE WON

[@Daash27]

Mollie Tibbetts case happened in Iowa. I am not sure he was a dreamer cos he couldn't even speak English.

[@karllieber9824]

Proof positive that comics are easily brainwashed. 🙈🙉🙊🤡

[@_kreetch9231]

1:11:30 no. our Muslims suck too

[@Schizophonic92]

Right! I’m from Europe and i read about some towns in Michigan, have these people done the same?

[@metroduck123]

Marry me, Ann! ❤❤❤

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

She is straight, tho...

[@clovis86]

There is no reason whatsoever to ever give Ann Coulter a microphone for the rest of her existence.

[@freethoughts2898]

She's not so bad even if you disagree with her.

[@dimirockeropoulos6104]

Ann reminds me of a US version of Margaret Thatcher. Hard as nails.