Live from the Table: Dan Senor on Israel's State of Affairs

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@danielleorr9679
@danielleorr9679 7 ай бұрын
Senor's podcast is remarkable..and been my go to since October..thanks to Dan and his guests for level headed dialogues.
@zaydevans2077
@zaydevans2077 7 ай бұрын
Don’t you find his argument hilarious at 23 minutes in where he says the Palestinians want a one state solution, one where they rule over the other side. Sounds kind of exactly like the Likud charter no? “Only Israeli sovereignty from the river to the sea”. Interesting he doesn’t bring up that netenyahu has stated repeatedly he doesn’t want a two state solution ever. It’s interesting how the criticism seems to come only to one side while the glaring comparison is never made.
@NJIT22
@NJIT22 7 ай бұрын
Israel has military control of the area. If they wouldn’t, then October 7 will be on entire 27k square km. For the benefit of both sides it’s better than Israel will have security control. The is no other option
@simenlvseth1788
@simenlvseth1788 7 ай бұрын
@@zaydevans2077 Holacuast II - The revenge of the Zionists ap4rte1d aipac regime - Starring BB, Biden, Sunak, Ursula,Olaf,Meloni and Macron & NYT. OSCAR & BAFTA nominated 2024 a must see horror. Supported by ICC and 146 nations. Disclaimer: Video might be taken down due to antisemitism, zionists denial and Aipac
@simenlvseth1788
@simenlvseth1788 7 ай бұрын
Hah Holacuast II - The revenge of the Zionists ap4rte1d aipac regime - Starring BB, Biden, Sunak, Ursula,Olaf,Meloni and Macron & NYT. OSCAR & BAFTA nominated 2024 a must see horror. Supported by ICC and 146 nations. Disclaimer: Video might be taken down due to antisemitism, zionists denial and Aipac
@bluecoffee8414
@bluecoffee8414 6 ай бұрын
What's the name of the podcast?
@joshuam3081
@joshuam3081 6 ай бұрын
You guys are my comfort listen, I tune in for the good perspectives and to know that not everyone has gone crazy after 10/7.
@dantebenedetti2889
@dantebenedetti2889 7 ай бұрын
very valuable discussion by very good, well-informed people.
@zeebs5668
@zeebs5668 7 ай бұрын
Dan Senor's podcast is top notch in every sense and not just on the current war. Thanks to Sam Harris for sharing one of his epsodes.
@simenlvseth1788
@simenlvseth1788 7 ай бұрын
Holacuast II - The revenge of the Zionists ap4rte1d aipac regime - Starring BB, Biden, Sunak, Ursula,Olaf,Meloni and Macron & NYT. OSCAR & BAFTA nominated 2024 a must see horror. Supported by ICC and 146 nations. Disclaimer: Video might be taken down due to antisemitism, zionists denial and Aipac
@theironsheik6322
@theironsheik6322 6 ай бұрын
Sam Harris is a chickenhawk who supports profiling.
@michaelscott70
@michaelscott70 7 ай бұрын
Best podcast to stay up to date with the highest quality information on all topics related to Israel Palestine.
@simenlvseth1788
@simenlvseth1788 7 ай бұрын
Holacuast II - The revenge of the Zionists ap4rte1d aipac regime - Starring BB, Biden, Sunak, Ursula,Olaf,Meloni and Macron & NYT. OSCAR & BAFTA nominated 2024 a must see horror. Supported by ICC and 146 nations. Disclaimer: Video might be taken down due to antisemitism, zionists denial and Aipac
@kj1483
@kj1483 7 ай бұрын
1:08:57 Douglas Murray speech at the Manhattan Institute.....: Choose Life, Not the Death Cult 10 May 2024 Douglas Murray: "I want to dedicate [this award] to the people of Israel of all ages, who, in the face of absolute death cults-in the face of people who most people in this country have no idea of, can't imagine what these people are capable of-I want to dedicate my acceptance of this award to the people of Israel, who, in the face of death, choose life." The Hamilton Award Dinner is a special night in the life of the Institute. It provides us with an opportunity to honor deserving individuals who embody the mission of the Manhattan Institute-advancing opportunity, individual liberty, and the rule of law in America and its great cities. This year we were delighted to honor Douglas Murray his unwavering defense of Western values, and Ross Perot Jr., for representing the best of civic engagement in Dallas and throughout Texas.
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 7 ай бұрын
If you compare this discourse to the Pro-P discourse that's happening on college campuses, the moral clarity becomes crystal.
@Dextorius
@Dextorius 7 ай бұрын
Dan Señor!!! What a mensch!
@ADag83
@ADag83 7 ай бұрын
I just found myself in the messed up surreal situation of arguing with my 92 yr old holocaust survivor grandmother, who has been living in Israel since 1949. She cannot look away from the pain of the Gazans. She remembers Israel of the 50s-80s of having relatively good neighborliness. She can't look away from the fundamentalist West Bank Settlers stirring up hatred. She only wants us to be the good guys. End the War. Promote friendship and collaboration. In what world do I have any right to agrue with her? I want those things too. But there is no path to them with Ham@s in power.
@ADag83
@ADag83 7 ай бұрын
(A chill and loving argument of course)
@islamforhumanity1103
@islamforhumanity1103 7 ай бұрын
Stop fooling urself . U are ethnically cleansing Gaza ! Killing their children , they have every right to hate you for stealing their land , murdering their children
@ai_com
@ai_com 7 ай бұрын
Hamas will always be the excuse. Its almost like Sharon planned it
@MehWhatever99
@MehWhatever99 7 ай бұрын
We have soft hearts. We help everyone, but few are for us. I don’t blame your grandmother. She has had a lifetime of suffering, and wants, dearly wishes, for peace for her children. But first we must protect ourselves. We can make peace from a position of strength. It’s the only way to really have peace.
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 7 ай бұрын
I don't think it's an outrageous position to say that Iz could've handled this more to their advantage through peace. If they had gone to Saudi Arabia and demanded normalization and an Arabic coalition peace keeping force in Gaza on the condition of Ha-'s complete surrender and the release of all hostages -- they probably could've benefitted themselves more. But it's hard to tell people who've just been victimized in that way to stand down, especially when they have the strength to respond.
@bja402
@bja402 7 ай бұрын
One of you should do a podcast doing what Dan suggested: reviewing every opportunity for peace offered to the Palestinians from the early 20th century till today, and how the Palestinian leaders responded. Thanks again for your always informative podcast!
@zaydevans2077
@zaydevans2077 7 ай бұрын
They’ll never do it in good faith actually representing all the reasons the Palestinians turned the ‘offers’ down. Even Ben-Gurion said if he were an Arab he wouldn’t take the deal.
@zaydevans2077
@zaydevans2077 7 ай бұрын
I love how the guest slips up with his real point of view “generous” terms were offered to the Palestinians. If I took 100% of your house then offered you 22% back after we fought back and forth on it, would you call that a ‘generous’ or even a ‘fair’ offer?
@theironsheik6322
@theironsheik6322 6 ай бұрын
They should also go over how Israel backed Hamas to prevent a unified West Bank and Gaza and how this is all blowback.
@kj1483
@kj1483 7 ай бұрын
Daniel Samuel Senor is an American columnist, writer, and political adviser. He was chief spokesman for the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq and senior foreign policy adviser to U.S. presidential candidate Mitt Romney during the 2012 election campaign. He is co-author of the books Start-up Nation: The Story of Israel's Economic Miracle (2009) and The Genius of Israel: The Surprising Resilience of a Divided Nation in a Turbulent World (2023) His mother was from Slovakia, where she and her mother hid from the Nazis during the Holocaust. His grandfather was murdered at the Auschwitz concentration camp. Senor said that his mother's post-Holocaust trauma "was very heavy for us growing up". ......... Wikipedia
@simenlvseth1788
@simenlvseth1788 7 ай бұрын
Holacuast II - The revenge of the Zionists ap4rte1d aipac regime - Starring BB, Biden, Sunak, Ursula,Olaf,Meloni and Macron & NYT. OSCAR & BAFTA nominated 2024 a must see horror. Supported by ICC and 146 nations. Disclaimer: Video might be taken down due to antisemitism, zionists denial and Aipac
@theironsheik6322
@theironsheik6322 6 ай бұрын
He's an irrelevant neocon loser on an irrelevant show.
@kj1483
@kj1483 7 ай бұрын
1:10:57 His mother was from Slovakia, where she and her mother hid from the Nazis during the Holocaust. His grandfather was murdered at the Auschwitz concentration camp. Senor said that his mother's post-Holocaust trauma "was very heavy for us growing up".
@joge2468
@joge2468 7 ай бұрын
Unfortunately for them, the Palestinians have fallen victim to the sunk cost fallacy. They’ve already lost so much land, they might as well keep fighting on the chance they get it all. 29:04 I make this point over and over to anti-Zionists when they make a comparison with Algeria. Just like the French, they claim, the Jews will go back to where they came from. When I make the point they will never “go back” because they were outsiders in every other land, never mind the Mizrahi who can never return to ME countries for obvious reasons, they simply cannot admit this to themselves.
@guapochino140
@guapochino140 7 ай бұрын
But the Palestinians can be absorbed into neighboring countries because they are rootless and cosmopolitan.
@chingis83
@chingis83 7 ай бұрын
Where do you think Palestinians can go? There's no prospect for two state solutions anymore. There are 700k Jews living beyond the 1967 border. Israel can't move them anymore. The only solutions we have 1) One state with Palestinian majority 2) Perpetual occupation and apartheid 3) ethnic cleansing (like it happened in 1948) or genocide.
@zaydevans2077
@zaydevans2077 7 ай бұрын
We never talk about the other side though where it’s equally true. Israelis raise their kids the same way, the Likud party charter says there will only be Israeli sovereignty from the river to the sea. They’re teaching their kids they are entitled to all the land that’s why they keep despite offering all these peace deals to give Palestine a state, he won’t mention the continual undermining of these offers by the illegal settlements popping up over these periods. Would you trust a neighbouring country they want to give you a state if they kept moving their people into your land while you were talking it over?
@TizBaz5
@TizBaz5 6 ай бұрын
In Israel you can have a minority express itself -- a large percentage of people in Israel disagree with the netanyahu policy in the West bank, and what happens is a matter of politics which can swing between right and left wing. The swing towards right wing happened in Israel mostly in response to the second intifada in the 2000s, but it is reversible. On the Palestinian side there is no such thing, and if you look at the history of attempted negotiations between the two sides, you will see that is the problem.
@joge2468
@joge2468 6 ай бұрын
@@zaydevans2077 I would probably hurry the f%ck up and make peace.
@bikerd12
@bikerd12 7 ай бұрын
At the end of the day the choices are :1) two state, 2) one state or 3) rogue state.
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 7 ай бұрын
One state, two state, red state, blue state. Black state, blue state, old state, new state. This one has a little car, this one has a little star. Say what a lot of states there are. Yes some are red and some are blue, Some are old and some are new. Some are sad and some are glad, And some are very very bad.
@cutez0r
@cutez0r 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for this insightful episode!
@theironsheik6322
@theironsheik6322 6 ай бұрын
Never forget the USS Liberty and all the brave men who died that day.
@DeborahLevy-z6p
@DeborahLevy-z6p 7 ай бұрын
"Generous" IS more accurate because the land designated for the Jews was mosquito infested swamp land and desert. The most fertile land was offered to the arabs. So yes GENEROUS is a more suitable description of the portion of land offered to the arabs.
@everythingandmore5537
@everythingandmore5537 7 ай бұрын
At minute 22:00 he says Palestinians militants are paid to do terrorism. Then the solution is to reward Palestinian militants who dont do terrorism.
@Cleekschrey
@Cleekschrey 7 ай бұрын
I look forward to Bibi’s arrest.
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 7 ай бұрын
You've clearly never seen a picture of BB walking around. Those are some of the hardest looking Jews I've ever seen guarding that man. The antisemites at the ICC wouldn't get within 50 feet of him.
@sapereaude3748
@sapereaude3748 7 ай бұрын
On what basis? Cite any law that he has been proven, unequivocally, to have violated. Even in Israel, the bribery charges remain unproven. I would assume you think that Hamas and those Palestinians who have assisted them are, what? Freedom fighters? You should look forward to the elimination of Hamas, You should also look forward to Israelis determining who the will either retain or replace as political leaders of that fabulous country.
@mayonaden
@mayonaden 7 ай бұрын
People can be arrested before conviction, you know.
@gheller2261
@gheller2261 4 ай бұрын
I assume to mean regarding something related to the war. Identify the crime.
@Cleekschrey
@Cleekschrey 4 ай бұрын
@@gheller2261 you been living under a rock, eh
@paultrongard3820
@paultrongard3820 6 ай бұрын
Finkelstein treated Periel with respect and dignity. I’m sorry Periel if facts are uncomfortable to hear. Surrounding yourself with people like this, that ignore so much is easier, but you’re doing yourself a disservice.
@sallyesakov309
@sallyesakov309 7 ай бұрын
I agree with your discussion on Tom Freidman. All of your points about his journalism are spot on. I would like to mention that Dennis Ross gave a logical, equitable suggestion about the “Day After” on a Haaretz podcast in January 2024. He acknowledged that it would not be a day after solution, more likely it would be a year or two year day after and it would consist of a coalition of Arab countries, rather than the PA. In this podcast, you pointed out the difficulties of that approach, but at least it is a stab at normalcy that is divorced from those promoted by a Tom Freidman, UN, EU countries who have “no skin” invested.
@jennybravo7019
@jennybravo7019 6 ай бұрын
Guys, what you call a "derangement" is in fact an objective evaluation of Netanyahu's personality, conduct and achievements. It's kind of like saying that Americans left attitude towards Trump is a derangement. It's not really.
@copiedoften5927
@copiedoften5927 7 ай бұрын
I’m here for the weekly ‘conclusions and judgements’. The ‘No Choice’ Zone 🎉
@agathonhelo1474
@agathonhelo1474 7 ай бұрын
Only solution is to give Palestinians equal rights like the Israeli Arabs. It can be either democracy or Zionist, not both.
@alonskii
@alonskii 7 ай бұрын
​@@agathonhelo1474 So the Palestinians can vote H@mas into power and control Israel? No thank you
@kj1483
@kj1483 7 ай бұрын
youtube.com/@CallMeBackPodcast Political and geopolitical analysis from the world's top experts, hosted by Dan Senor.
@everythingandmore5537
@everythingandmore5537 7 ай бұрын
At minute 1:12:00 he says his 16 year old son was profoundly affected on his visit to the Kibbutz much more than his visit to Austwitz because it happened in 2024 and not in 1945. I wonder whats his reaction will be watching tik tok video on Gaza. I bet it will be 100x more horrible then october 7. The dad looks like a cheer leader for the Gaza horor show.
@oraz.
@oraz. 7 ай бұрын
If the ICC where serious about Hamas rather than using Sinwar as a cheap cover to pose like they're equitable at the last minute, they would go after Iran since they are the state actor behind them. Of course that's not what's happening.
@harrison3859
@harrison3859 7 ай бұрын
Shush man
@oraz.
@oraz. 7 ай бұрын
@@harrison3859 Average dumbass
@GearedGaming76899
@GearedGaming76899 6 ай бұрын
I know it is hard to look up simple facts but Iran did sign the Rome statute so the ICC does not apply there, but Palestine has and since Israel is dealing damage to the Palestinians it applies. I know its easier to just scream and go of on emotion, but maybe first look up the facts, before you comment :)
@copiedoften5927
@copiedoften5927 7 ай бұрын
5:37 same but different.
@joge2468
@joge2468 7 ай бұрын
Noam, I think you’re missing a major angle in this conflict. You need to start interviewing Mizrahi Jews. Abe Hamra is funny and has a very different take.
@neilolson3220
@neilolson3220 7 ай бұрын
Wow GREAT episode !
@ADag83
@ADag83 7 ай бұрын
Yes! Excited for this one! 👏👏
@gheller2261
@gheller2261 4 ай бұрын
Wonder what Senor had to say after Gantz resigned.
@weilinwang1989
@weilinwang1989 7 ай бұрын
Thank you, Noam.
@SuperKripke
@SuperKripke 7 ай бұрын
There's no such thing as Netanyahu Derangement Syndrome. The criticisms against him as having committed crimes against humanity are sound to anyone with a firm moral backbone.
@jwollheim
@jwollheim 7 ай бұрын
But why is he being singled out? He’s responsible for far less death and misery then Bush, Cheney, Obama, Assad, MBS and soooo many others. It’s almost like there’s something different about BiBi compared to the others….
@lenacohen8913
@lenacohen8913 7 ай бұрын
​@@jwollheimWhat's your point? You think a serial killer who killed “only” 20 people should be released because years ago another serial killer killed 22 people? Joke aside: educate yourself, invest some time in learning about Israel's bloody history, read books, see documentary, go to West Bank and look how it's like to live under occupation 24/7, besides walls and checkpoints, with no hope for a future, imagine your entire family who lived in Gaza was killed, everyone disappeared, your spouse, your children, your parents, all gone, your house was destroyed, there is nothing left, because a psychopat (Netanyahu) ordered it, and then read your question again. You will be ashamed.
@GearedGaming76899
@GearedGaming76899 6 ай бұрын
@@jwollheim Who the hell defends those people you listed. Obama but partially Bush and Cheney are called war criminals and many have called for them to be jailed. Assad is one of the most sanctioned people on the planet and MBS is literally called Mr bone saw. So no Netanyahu is not getting worst treatment.
@lawrencekagan8688
@lawrencekagan8688 7 ай бұрын
After the ICC, Bibi definitely needs to stay in power to avoid handcuffs
@MehWhatever99
@MehWhatever99 7 ай бұрын
Even out of power, Israel will not turn him over to the ICC.
@alonskii
@alonskii 7 ай бұрын
Why? Israel has no obligation to extradite him
@lawrencekagan8688
@lawrencekagan8688 7 ай бұрын
@@alonskii But if he sets foot in Norway he's toast. And if you're fine with him being a pariah in Israel like most criminals and thugs, fine. But he's in danger even inside Israel where he was facing serious corruption charges, trial and possible jail time before the war. The guy's a crook and murderer.
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 7 ай бұрын
If the ICC puts a single Iz leader in handcuffs, the US military will "find oil" in their headquarters.
@25hellrell
@25hellrell 6 ай бұрын
'"I don't know very much of anything about Israeli politics." (10:31) Talk about outing yourself.
@SuperKripke
@SuperKripke 7 ай бұрын
33:40 This argument could have applied to the confederate soldiers or people who lived in the South post Civil War. Does this mean that the winners of that war should have denied them the opportunity to be a part of the US?
@MonkeyBall2453
@MonkeyBall2453 7 ай бұрын
It's not a good analogy. The Israelis gave the Palestinians Gaza, effectively giving them their own state, yet they continued to attack Israel. If the US had allowed the Confederacy to secede and yet the South kept attacking the North afterwards, of course the North would engage them in war and attempt to destroy the Confederacy.
@SuperKripke
@SuperKripke 7 ай бұрын
@@MonkeyBall2453 This absurd argument continues the trope that Gazans were "given a state". They were blockaded for nearly 2 decades and 7 months after they dared to break out a genocide was committed against them.
@zaydevans2077
@zaydevans2077 7 ай бұрын
@@SuperKripkeexactly, it’s so quick to break the argument but they never respond once you bring up the blockade etc.
@jaxcrax9644
@jaxcrax9644 Ай бұрын
Netanyahu is a man of peace.
@GOODJMR
@GOODJMR 6 ай бұрын
What a great juxtaposition. Having discussions about Israel at a comedy club. ❤
@99NOFX
@99NOFX 5 ай бұрын
You think if you were raised in a war torn area, you'd grow up with the same value system?????? You think your brain would be the same regardless of your past? Amazing
@guapochino140
@guapochino140 7 ай бұрын
This whole thing is collective punishment. Make it stop.
@joge2468
@joge2468 7 ай бұрын
How so? Israel is at war with Gaza no different than the Allies were at war with Germany or Japan. The confusion is that people consider “Hamas” a non-state actor, when they are the elected and widely supported government of Gaza. Hamas is merely the military of Gaza, like any other military. Their targeting of civilians makes them an army that does not observe international law, NOT a non-state actor like ISIL or al-Queda.
@guapochino140
@guapochino140 7 ай бұрын
@@joge2468 I meant the podcast
@guapochino140
@guapochino140 7 ай бұрын
But it's cool that you recognize the Palestinian state.
@joge2468
@joge2468 7 ай бұрын
@@guapochino140 Twice funny.
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 7 ай бұрын
@@guapochino140 I disagree with you but that's a very good joke. 10/10
@arimoff
@arimoff 7 ай бұрын
Solution is not hard at all. It's the inability to admit the root cause of this conflict, which can also be attributed to the defeat in iraq and Afghanistan... the root cause is ISLAM. American foreign policy in the middle east is a failure because its not tolerant to admit, islam is the root cause
@islamforhumanity1103
@islamforhumanity1103 7 ай бұрын
Are you joking ? It’s a cruel joke. Occupy people , murder their families , steal their resources and blame them for hating you. Avatar 101 !
@MehWhatever99
@MehWhatever99 7 ай бұрын
@@islamforhumanity1103they hated us long before Israel even existed. Before any supposed occupation, or theft.
@admajoremdeigloriam7772
@admajoremdeigloriam7772 7 ай бұрын
I was listening intently to this until Dan tried to play it like Netanyahu doesn’t want want permanent occupation. Seriously? You guys tried to treat him like some kind of sage. Dan tries to pretend he’s not a Bibi booster and yet, all he did was boost Bibi, no complaints about him at all. 🙄
@joge2468
@joge2468 7 ай бұрын
Nobody wants to occupy another country if they can achieve peace without it. It is INCREDIBLY expensive and has had a huge impact on Israel’s pension plans and social security web. The only endeavor that rivals the occupation and blockade in expense is protecting the settlers, which is likely to be a huge factor in the next elections. Ditto the absurd welfare afforded to ultraOrthodox Jews.
@sapereaude3748
@sapereaude3748 7 ай бұрын
You are habituated, propagandized most likely, to believe that Bibi wants to occupy Gaza. You don't know your history. He is interested in Judea and Sumeria for obvious and legitimate reasons. Bibi objected to leaving Gaza, but---for only only one reason. He said that Hamas and Islamic Jihad would overwhelm Gaza quickly and that this would create an impossible front to defend. That is the ONLY reason he opposed it. Well--Bibi was right--completely right. You should study before your sound off.
@kavemanjosh
@kavemanjosh 7 ай бұрын
Permanent occupation implies authority and responsibility over Gazan civilian life. Israelis including Bibi don’t want that. There will security control over Gaza but Gazans will have their own government.
@admajoremdeigloriam7772
@admajoremdeigloriam7772 7 ай бұрын
@@kavemanjosh that is the definition of occupation.
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 7 ай бұрын
Why would they want Gaza? It's a hornets nest. No one wants Gaza. The Gazans don't even want Gaza.
@99NOFX
@99NOFX 5 ай бұрын
People think Israel is home to Palestinians. (Except jews who grew up only knowing that they're jewish because they eat matza once a year). So non jewish people basically, their mothers tell them different stories.
@mohameddikna2748
@mohameddikna2748 7 ай бұрын
Living in Lala Land. Long live Norman Finkelstein
@zaydevans2077
@zaydevans2077 7 ай бұрын
Truly is like living in lala land, and they can’t even bring up the other sides argument in a good way throughout. You just need someone on the other side that can chime in with “but you know you’re ignoring this.” But it just becomes an echo chamber when they don’t have someone from the other side on. Even the usual 3/4 on 1 is better than this
@bettymagpali5079
@bettymagpali5079 6 ай бұрын
BS
@Nealth83
@Nealth83 7 ай бұрын
There is so much wrong with what this guys says. I am all about having different viewpoints on this podcast. But if you are going to push back on pro-Palestine guests when they cherry pick information, then you have to do the same with pro-Israel folk. I understand there are different views when it comes to something like Camp David and who said what etc. But something like Gaza post 2005….its indisputable the sanctions, border restrictions, targeted killings, bombing campaigns, etc.
@kelvinlong2742
@kelvinlong2742 7 ай бұрын
Why would he do that when he’s an Israeli shill?
@mgrabov
@mgrabov 7 ай бұрын
Suggest you don't use the term "Indisputable" if you want to be taken seriously. So Israel leaving Gaza was the right thing to do but border security is not okay. Hamas firing rockets on Israeli civilians is resistance (to what exactly??) but IDF targeting rocket launchers and Hamas commanders is genocide.. always double standards when it comes to Israel - suddenly so many people lose any sense of reality.
@kelvinlong2742
@kelvinlong2742 7 ай бұрын
@@mgrabov leaving Gaza and immediately enforcing an illegal act of war (blockade). That has destroyed Gaza’s economy by not allowing them free trade, feeedom of movement, an airport, fishing rights or even a seaport. Not to mention the thousands they’ve gone in and killed since.
@kelvinlong2742
@kelvinlong2742 7 ай бұрын
@@mgrabov so yes Palestinians have the right to use violence to resist an illegal blockade which is an act of war and an ongoing 65% military occupation in the West Bank.
7 ай бұрын
​@@kelvinlong2742 You've got things backwards. After decades of Palestinian terrorism, how could you expect Israel to simply withdraw and leave the border unguarded? And then Hamas took over Gaza - with their express aims to destroy Israel, and their rockets etc. Sorry, but if you constantly attack and threaten to destroy your neighbor - your neighbor is gonna do what it can to prevent you from importing the means to do so.
@simenlvseth1788
@simenlvseth1788 7 ай бұрын
How can you be geopolitcal expert - when Aipac decides your foreign budget laws? Aipac bribing and your politicians being on the same level of corrupt as Cuba? and how you will answer to ICC and foreign countries slamming US stance on war criminals and war crimes? I would so love to be called on this show and debate in a real manner to this expert with real talks and argumentation to understand each other
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 7 ай бұрын
At this moment, The United States of America are YEARS ahead the world on AI, quantum computing, cold fusion, advanced robotics, drones, space travel, satellites, moon bases, reaching Mars, self driving cars, biotech, genetics, advanced semiconductors, and internet/communications technology. We patrol the worlds oceans with 11 nuclear powered Super Carriers and are building three more. We are building a global wifi network. We spend more on our military than the next 10 nations combined. We have two six thousand mile wide moats on either side of nation, and our top two trading partners are our only two physical neighbors. We export oil, we export steel, we export natural gas, we export food. Lets make something extremely clear: We. Answer. To. No. One. Got it?
@simenlvseth1788
@simenlvseth1788 7 ай бұрын
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat u answer to hague and history books in the future dont worry friend. It wont be forgotten and ur children will be embarrassed and digusted by your actions against the world. History wont ve kind
@simenlvseth1788
@simenlvseth1788 7 ай бұрын
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat You answer to Hague and Nuremberg when the time comes my friend. Global community and 146. countries of 193. are now calling to stop the siege and end the war crimes. Pressure will prevail and very fast and soo, even US will be forced to stop back Israel to save themselves. This taint which will haunt US and Israeli history will never be forgotten in eternity when you went against and supported war criminals/war crimes.
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 7 ай бұрын
@@simenlvseth1788 you don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Literally no one can touch us. We are an impenetrable super fortress with a thousand years of supplies inside and we're building actual moon bases. We made the Hague, we made Nuremberg. We ARE the "Rules Based International Order." Without us, without our good will, everything you know, everything you love, turns to ash. We are still holding all of the cards.
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 7 ай бұрын
@@simenlvseth1788 You just typed that message into our Internet on our website in our language. You are blind to how much we own the world.
@TheKiddy3
@TheKiddy3 6 ай бұрын
I find you so frustrating Noam as the kind of Jew I am doesn’t exist for you
@TheKiddy3
@TheKiddy3 6 ай бұрын
For one, I am non religious and more committed to Israel now
@nishantkamat
@nishantkamat 7 ай бұрын
I'm not strongly on either side of the issue, but anyone who calls the UN terms of 1948 "generous" to the Palestinians loses all credibility in my eyes. Ridiculous.
@John-kj7tv
@John-kj7tv 7 ай бұрын
I'm the same, I don't feel attached to either side really. The Arabs have lost every war they've had with Israel though right.. so offering any land at all is generous.
@tttrrrification
@tttrrrification 7 ай бұрын
Why?
@joge2468
@joge2468 7 ай бұрын
From the perspective of the Zionists, most of Mandatory Palestine was already given to the Arabs in the form of Jordan.
@joge2468
@joge2468 7 ай бұрын
From the Israeli perspective, the majority of Mandatory Palestine had already been given to the Arabs, ie Jordan, so more land was generous.
@markwhite5926
@markwhite5926 7 ай бұрын
Much of the original land given to Israel in the original Partition Plan was the Negev.. A DESERT.
@What-kw6ox
@What-kw6ox 6 ай бұрын
I have to admit , after decades of watching Israelis act with impunity and propaganda it’s satisfying to finally see the narrative change. I was always asked , what do you mean we are in the wrong side of history. Now you know !
@mayonaden
@mayonaden 7 ай бұрын
Noam, when are you going to admit you were wrong, and Finkelstein was right, on the question of Israel starving the Palestinians?
@jennybravo7019
@jennybravo7019 6 ай бұрын
Why would he? Because you decided so? Kind of funny
@mayonaden
@mayonaden 6 ай бұрын
@@jennybravo7019 Because it is undeniable at this point.
@gokhanegene8226
@gokhanegene8226 6 ай бұрын
Great discussion for those who want to advance their knowledge on further Israel propoganda.
@collegecall007
@collegecall007 7 ай бұрын
Save Palestinian Christians ✝️
@kj1483
@kj1483 7 ай бұрын
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