Live Q or Die Podcast - Episode 47 - Eight Six One Oh One

You asked and we listened. This week Kevin, Adam and Jay cover everything that is 8.6 BLK. From barrel lengths to twist rates to bullet weights and practical application. Your questions will be answered on this one.
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[@josh9455]

I crashed a 4K drone FOR work. They told me to film an explosion. I did. The debris from the explosion took it out. They asked me fly again the next day with a different drone. Love my job.

[@Datboijayp]

They looking for another skilled drone crasher? I know a guy...

[@poorsoutdoors3595]

Im glad you guys made 8.6 adapted for existing AR 10's and other 308 magazines!!!

[@chasejohnson1122]

i think the 8.6 will be a big success with the hunting community. im very interested to see how it stacks up against 375 raptor

[@ravissary79]

Not as much power, but I bet it does better at medium range, and does some impressive/weird things at low velocity due to that crazy spin. Or a frag round at mod-high velocity that grenades REALLY impressively due to that centrifugal force.

[@STEPHENROACH-o3d]

Great podcast!!

[@TheReluctantTrader]

I can’t wait for the 8.6 !

[@The_John_Galt]

I need some 8.6 Cosby in my life!

[@Z287899]

I think the best example of rotational energy is a flywheel. The larger the diameter or weight, the harder it is to slow it down. The faster you spin it, the more energy it stores. Same concept with the bullet. It certainly is harder to compare rotational energy between different bullets. A wadcutter is probably the easiest since it's basically a constant diameter. Different ogives of course change the sectional density making it extremely difficult/impossible to calculate off the cuff.

[@brotato_tx]

It's not Friday until Q & A** drops! Makes driving around for work all day more enjoyable. Thanks for a great podcast, brochachos!

[@brandonking9780]

I love the new intro, makes it feel like I’m not watching 1960s TV because I can finally see some color on a Q podcast 😂

[@free2befree]

This was definitel an A science project presentation. Thank you for the information.

[@man_in_the_tree]

Can’t wait for the upcoming content on the 8.6!!

[@ravissary79]

Good point on the 375 raptor... everyone says if you're doing subs+supers you need adjustable gas. It's a sexy cartridge, but it's also going to be a bit warm in a full-size honey badger. Kicks like a 50 beowulf+p.

[@aldrimduramax]

At 22:23 the comment about " you don't have to be a rocket surgeon" always cracks me up

[@davidandre886]

This is a badass cartridge. I think picking up all the energy in rotation is a great way to enhance the subs. I also agree that 338 has amazing bullet options. This will be a big hit if there is enough companies who accept it and build aftermarket ammo, barrels etc...

[@jeepchronicles5644]

This solidified my choice to get the full size fix before the mini fix!

[@geraldtoman7101]

I have never commented before, but I just wanted yens to know as soon as this hits the shelf I’m going all in. The moment I seen this at shot show it was the fastest decision I’ve ever made in my mind. A bolt shorty for hunting big game silenced hell ya!! You guys rock keep up the good work Gõdspeed brõthers.

[@derekddurbin]

So interesting I can’t wait for 8.6

[@coltonmullins2274]

Need more 8.6 content!

[@ravissary79]

The 375 uses 400 grain bullets by way of a specially made subsonic copper expander made by Maker just for the Raptor. Wicked looking bullet. Way less twist though, and it's a blunt inefficient bullet. Probably goes super deep though.

[@ravissary79]

Adding to my own point here: Problem is, it doesn't cycle subs and supers together. This disclaimer is on their website now.

[@patriotfromthenoket6141]

Excited for this! Love how innovative you guys are.

[@AP2020_Outdoors]

@Q LLC I'll be testing the 8.6BLK soon on my channel as soon as I source a barrel from @Faxon Firearms ! I have a high speed slow motion video camera so stay tuned for some sweet ballistic gel shots!

[@StrugglesWithWords]

The intro is so slick!

[@jerryguanciale1423]

nothing like some ease of access and a windy environment for the boys

[@urbanalbino619]

Hell Yeah.....#8.6 can’t wait!!!! Whoever disliked this video what a ❄️!!

[@John-kc8ln]

I’m excited thank you!

[@pops55650]

Rocket Surgeon lol Ricky. Man, I’ve learned so much from this podcast ! I love my Honey Badger / Trash Panda combo

[@tooslo5oh44]

Mathmagician😂😂

[@Michaeldpress14]

8.6 is gonna be so badass

[@NobleSoljah]

I’d rather people think stuff suck so people like me who love REAL innovation and calculations can take advantage of this and 8.6 will be available for me to have... that’s until they eat their words and finally give in too the Q Krew

[@DMHal01]

100% on the spinning helping with early expansion.

[@GhetovisionYelawolf]

Q podcast drops gonna help me get through this sick day Im taking

[@ravissary79]

Maker is going to put out a 350 gr bullet just for 8.6 expanding subs. The weight advantage of 375 is getting encroached on, while the spin difference contributing to wounding might make up the rest. Food for thought.

[@leadfarmer5563]

"you're damn right you're done with the drone."

[@jessekrukowski7914]

Will be getting my first tactical distributors order in the mail next week!

[@MrCannonsdad]

I think this will be huge but it will be WAY bigger if the pistols/braces continue to be legal. It will greatly be limited by sales if they require NFA SBR registration

[@johnpaulstez]

Love it!! Glad your here. Me being in MA looking north to NH must be how the east Berliners felt looking over the wall to West Berlin.

[@letsgobrandon416]

I think you need to hit the importance of magazines more, even a whole podcast on it. People see magazines as an afterthought, but as you rightly pointed out, they make or break the weapon.

[@free2befree]

$50 + is just to much now a days.

[@letsgobrandon416]

@@free2befree that's disposable thinking. Think essential for function and it really isn't.

[@titanscerw]

On topic of pistol dot for Jay and astigmatism gang, no need to compromise Holoson 509T or 507 both have switchable reticle either 2 MOA dot or this dot rounded by 32 MOA circle, give it look, hope it helps. Keep up the great work, gentlemen, awesome just to hear you talk this stuff. We need more updates guys, I wonder how long it would take to for 8.6 reach my country.

[@jaypee389]

8.6 @ 80 gr @ 3600 fps @ .650 b.c. is like 36" drop @ 600m. Big fat and light. Better drop then 147 gr 6.5 Creedmore by 65% Your 210gr 8.6blk cannot come close. 80 gr has bigger wound channel at all ranges out to 1500m. Barrel burner...not bad with German barrels. *custom bullets. 😁 Slow twist. Not everyone in SOCOM wants 210 grain rounds. Heavy as shit. May as well use .630 B.C. 196 Grain .308 Ruag Match Rounds. Awesome work BTW. Learning lots. TY.

[@stephanieandjared390]

🙏 one of these times that email notification from Q about the lastest episode/drop, is gonna be from the hiring department right? ;) 🇺🇸

[@tycarper6330]

Omega 36m would work well for this application. Seems to meter fairly comparable to the Omega 300 from what I've seen.

[@ravissary79]

I wonder if the use of gain-twist and ratchet-rifling might help reduce friction while containing gas blow-by with that crazy twist. (Not pretending to know, just curious)

[@philwelborm929]

AWC offered the ThunderTrap for the .338 ~ I use a AWC ThunderTrap Ti for my 6.5CM, 7.62x51mm and my 300 PRC.

[@dustinnoe91]

Intro was fire

[@spedcase]

Check the spicy little introduction, pro-fresh-in-al!

[@Mattyp321]

Going to utilize 300 BLK for hunting this year and can't wait to get some 8.6 BLK product for next year.

[@hwillwright]

I understand why someone asked the "mini-fix" question. I think maybe what they wanted to ask was will you consider making a short-barreled fix or fix with a brace?

[@djfingerslinger9726]

Can’t wait to do an Aero build with 8.6 Faxon barrel for hunting.

[@MadMaxZ06]

Curious, and NO SHADE INTENDED: Is there an increase in chamber pressure when going with an ultra fast rate of twist? How about less velocity; all things being equal?

[@MadMaxZ06]

I ask, because as we all know, there are no free lunches in life. While kinetic energy on target by way of rotational forces, the increased expansion therein, the reduction in both noise and flash are all positives, is the ONLY downside that non-bonded projectiles are not recommended? FWIW, I am a happy owner of a Thunder Chicken.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

No. It’s relatively low pressure. Moment of inertia is small.

[@kevf500]

You need to work on the super sonic ammo, it seems a little weak need a high BC and a 160 to 170 grain bullet with more FPS , the sub sonic is fine also need the super sonic bullet to have a lower fps for expansion

[@cliffarnold7463]

Love that even with the levels of success that Q has seen in the last few years, you are still pushing boundaries and not being ok with the status quo. It’s a cutthroat/backstabbing industry in many ways for sure and I’ve regretted that I left the industry after 8 years. I do hope to return some day soon. You guys give me hope in the future of the industry. The small and mid size companies like Q are often the innovators because they are/can be more agile in everything (decision making, design, engineering, marketing, market trends, customer service, etc) and I love this podcast because you put all that right on the table and address those things. Looking forward to getting my hands on some Q products in the near future. Keep up the great work. Cliff Arnold Co-Founder and former Co-Owner of New Frontier Armory

[@jeffhuntley2921]

I want to see some barnes TTSX wound channels in gel 1:3 twist should thrash

[@ChilangoDios333]

What about cartridges like 350 legend aid 450 bushmaster how does 8.6 edge those out.

[@bavariasuhl]

Nightforice was a nxs 2.5-10 .....got that on my honey badger sd, got a NG atacr 1-8 - nice but the eticle is crap

[@ravissary79]

I think an ideal bullet would be something like a Maker (expansion design) but shaped like a 200 gr berger, or even more accute, with a polymer or aluminum tip.

[@nestorarcilaosorio2457]

Discret ballistics has a prototype supersonic bullet like that in his instagram, something like 140 gr I believe.

[@ravissary79]

@@nestorarcilaosorio2457 news to me. I'd love to see it. Discrete typically only does subs, and subs of a somewhat non-sleek design. So if they can get a decent BC, expansion and medium depth (140 wouldn't need to penetrate like a 200+ super). But retaining velocity would be great.

[@ravissary79]

@@nestorarcilaosorio2457 coming back to this, I couldn't find it, can you point me in the right direction?

[@knifetech101]

Just bought my second fix… Of course in 8.6

[@ipanzerschrecku4732]

On-screen graphics...Kevin knows his shit. Not just a pretty face...

[@TanBurch]

Kevin being a unit, specimen and a winner needs to be a T-shirt

[@alexljord92]

I have a delta point pro on my 2011. Do it Jay you won’t go back.

[@Datboijayp]

I gotta do it. Soon!

[@caldeio]

285 hornady bthp are nice in my 14.7" 338 federal. Will not cycle the action on my Aero M5 of course. Use 200gr sst normally, work perfect! 2335fps It was .78 when I could get 200gr sst's...now I can't find them and have no ammo! 1-10 twist Wilson Combat barrel It's a bruiser, and loud Very interested in 8.6 since I'm reloading anyways! Very interested in bullets bigger than 300gr for subs. I can only find bullets that are 325gr but there for supers. Glad hornady will have factory ammo, federal 338 is nowhere to be found even before these times. Will you offer barrels?? If not...you should to me! :)

[@jerrymarcin5343]

Just got the mystery shit in. Dope AF. No guns in the bag so I guess I didn't win.

[@A_Tempest]

The footage I've seen coming from people shooting 8.6 there's been a lot of ricochet or bullet skipping, is this a noted side effect of the increased spin or are we just hearing it more clearly?

[@rob21i]

Not why, but when?

[@ravissary79]

Indeed, I just bought some 300 gr subsonic 338 expanders, and 165 gr tipped t-rex bullets from Maker, and more experimentally I got some 225 gr "lazer" tipped bullets from Cutting Edge Bullets (which are tough, but fragment all the way down to 1400 fps and have an insane 600+ g1 BC.) No luck finding dies yet, or primers, or barrel makers who are doing it.

[@Infinity_Squared]

Q should make a shirt that says “Headed South”

[@ravissary79]

Where at in Wyoming? I used to have peeps just outside Cody. I LOVE that area. But I was poor as hell back then, Wyoming is no good when you have nothing.

[@MrBaker-sw3yp]

8.6 sounds like you got something there

[@thatguyfishingben4794]

When are we gonna have brass or brass specs available?

[@cflo1335]

Will running the 12.5” barrel require the user to have their Fix registered as an SBR?

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Or a pistol

[@mastermoarman]

so what do we use to make our own brass from? 308? 6.5 creed?

[@eshorner]

Can't wait to purchase an 8.6 fix and a pork chop!!

[@CoryRizzMMA]

I can get that spinning a projectile faster is more energy. Does the rotational energy translate or transfer energy to a target?

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Yes. Very much so.

[@breeze68025]

When can we get our hands on a bolt action in 8.6?

[@mrrogers2611]

Reason to buy SicCo Hybrid = 458 SOCOM (and Q doesn't have can big enough yet...) #iaintnonovice 🤓

[@JoeyBaby47]

I want an 8.6, I mean 338 BLK, now!

[@jaypee389]

.375 Raptor is reliable. 😁 It's like an upsized M43 Ball profile...one of the most reliable profiles. New Gen Pmags could allow for .375 Raptor.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

😂

[@stevetotty]

I like the new intro

[@ravissary79]

On a 12.5" gas gun, what's the ideal gas block length? Pistol? Carbine? Mid length? Mid length is all the rage for AR308 pistols now, but this has a smaller/faster powder column, and subs might not have pressure that far out. But pistol might be over-gassed. So I'd guess carbine, but... Thoughts?

[@jamescardwell4732]

Some of these stories are hilarious 😂 couldn’t imagine how that guys homeless he’s smooth as fuck

[@nestorarcilaosorio2457]

Waiting to see the power of the 8.6 BLK! maybe some gun youtuber, who knows. The Aimpoint ACRO just release a new version with 50.000 hrs battery life check it.

[@ravissary79]

Because of its unique traits I think bullet design will be paramount.

[@TheStonerReport]

One of the best parts of today’s episode is when Kevin starts showing cartridge sizes at 36:13. It felt like I was watching a prosecutor throwing down truth bombs blowing people’s minds,” O-jive: FACT, .260 Rem FACT, 6.5 CRM: FACT, 300 BLK FACT, 8.6 Cosby err Kevin err Blackout: FACT!” Jay rocks it as well hanging with the punches, a few low blows, but he rolls with the big dogs so he shows that he can handle it. Fun episode!

[@gsitzkowitz]

Ok, help me out here. Looking at the available bullets and plugging in the BCs and velocities as advertised into my ballistics app the drop on this round is atrocious. If my calculations are accurate I don’t know how you could use this gun in the field with this kind of drop. What am I getting wrong?

[@DJ-jq8if]

When do we get a live Q&A?

[@ravissary79]

Getting close to release!

[@viprcuisine241]

What animals have you KIA’d with the honey badger?

[@ravissary79]

Now that SIG officially won the NGSW program, the 8.6 may see special firces use, because the new "raptor" version is 8".

[@spencerschuckman1108]

In theory, could you run 8.6 in a rebarreled Ruger SFAR?

[@kaufcw01]

I went that search. A "rocket surgeon "

[@MrBaker-sw3yp]

Keven who makes that Sculpture of the Fighting soldier in the background; I want one its super cool

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

No idea. It’s old. Was a gift.

[@MrBaker-sw3yp]

Dang ok, I love that thing and looks great in the background

[@hantus77]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 Hello Kevin, idea: take 300PRC as platform to start from, go shorter 300 PRC WSM and..7PRC WSM. Just an Idea

[@JoeWayne84]

Be nice if there was a time stamp to the part where you talk about the round

[@luckythirteen77]

L😅ve the homeless bro story. lol “Headed south.”

[@HunterDave]

just about .020 diameter away from being legal for Indiana public land hunting... damn, seemed cool

[@Crocker_Mountian]

What dose 8.6 do that .338 spectre doesn't?

[@bobborlog1677]

Hopefully ruger makes an American ranch in 8.6 blk

[@ravissary79]

Lol @ that segway...

[@andrewjones9613]

Hey what happened to the stick figure picture in several podcast episodes ago ?

[@dvalinut]

Can't wait for 8.6! Won't you need more like 150moa to make it to 1k with subs?

[@chrismartinez8393]

The 300 blk will make to 1k also

[@plankro8]

Does 1:3 twist have a different flight path than a 1:8?

[@pb7087]

Heads up, the 375 Raptor is in fact shortened. It’s not just a necked up 308 case.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

OD is too large to be reliable in a .308 mag or gas gun.

[@jaypee389]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 unless you modify it.

[@mikemurphy9019]

You know what Kevin, I’ve heard horror stories about customer service but after kinda talking to the people that were complaining it seems like they were just idiots or didn’t do their homework. These podcasts have totally changed my mind about your company and now I’m going all In haha. I gotta say man I apologize for making a snap judgment about you. It seems I was wrong on my assumption. You seem like a solid guy

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Thank you! I’ve always offered great customer service. It’s always been a priority. There are a few times I’ve failed, there are a few people you can never make happy, and most of the “bad experiences” I’ve seen online are anonymous fabrications. It’s windy at the top. Attracting attention is just part of it.

[@Liftedpsd2010]

I 100 percent agree on the hybrid 46 being a novice can. It was my first I bought a year ago. Now I have q erector 22x 2, erector 9 coming, rugged oculus, and a dead air mask. Need to replace the hybrid 46 with a better suppressor.

[@Michaeldpress14]

I’m not getting into a bathtub with a cat

[@Whitesp44]

Please, fellas, I beg of you, NO MORE great ideas. I will be even more broke than I am now. This is exciting. Was anyone shooting long guns in the 80's? I was. Boring. Thanks to these guys and many like them (maybe a little better looking guys) this industry will continue to evolve and remain exciting. Appreciate the hard work , research, development and release of new shit. Awesome. Stay healthy America.