LIVE! Real Lawyer Reacts: Lawyer for Ruby Franke's Husband Reveals What He Knew And Who He Blames

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[@B_in_Florida]

The niece, Jessie, said in an interview that the church elders did know about her abuse.

[@msherry5]

They weren't brainwashed JUST by Jodi. The Mormon church referred members to Jodi & often paid her "counseling" fees. They endorsed what she was doing. Their church elders said this is the right thing to do.

[@denisehale301]

The LDS church shames and manipulates their members. My best friend from high school was LDS and she considered herself “Jack Mormon” as well as her dad. She said the church constantly shamed them. I’ve studied the LDS cult and it is just that….a CULT! The LDS higher ups knew what Jody was doing and they supported her and sent people to her. She got wealthy off of this! Despicable!

[@marguaritetherese3156]

As I understand, the adult daughter was happy CPS was finally taking it seriously. Seems like she would have reached out to her dad for help. The most obvious reason not to was that he was complicit.

[@cathyray3861]

I hope the church is held accountable too !! There were many people who complained to the church about jody and they did nothing, which tells me the church backs up this crap. How can one go to church service with your mouth duck taped (Jesse) and the congregation just turns their backs and accepts this behavior?! Insantiy just doesn't even cover this !

[@liminal-cc3go]

The church absolutely needs to be held accountable for their crimes and I believe (hope) that looking at the entirety of Jodi’s crimes takes the legal system straight to the church.

[@lharris151]

The church condones ,refers recommends and subsidizes Jodi and many other "therapists" who are treating people for what is normal human behavior, convincing them they are addicts. It's a cult and a racket to make millions.

[@peggypasson8794]

I honestly believe if that lil boy didn't escape this would have been hushed up within LDS ?

[@peggypasson8794]

​@@liminal-cc3goallegedly the church recommended Jodi ? To more than one family? 😢😢😢

[@nickiemccormick5392]

@@peggypasson8794yes and I hope they are held accountable.

[@McQuizzical]

I think it's quite disturbing when he says "he wants it back to the way it was".

[@melb4jd245]

The thing with the husband/father is he was complicit with the ridiculous punishments like only “love” for Christmas presents, etc. and how does he leave and stay away from his children for over a year? Unless he had a lawyer fighting for his parental rights in that years time.

[@bobbicatt]

Although I agree with what you said…non of that is by law considered abuse. Hopefully Kevin gets real help outside the church and eventually gets the kids. That’s what’s best for them, not being in foster care. I know, I grew up in the system.

[@monkeymogul7505]

This ☝️. He was in the home and compliant with restricting food and sleep from their children. Basic needs😢

[@billyyank5807]

You clearly don't understand abuse then. She manipulated that man. Abused him too. Why hasn't he been charged? Because it wasn't him. He's a victim of these lunatics also.

[@glenf6639]

@@bobbicatt I agree with the criminal side of things…. The fact he allowed Ruby to set the rules and he complied so easily….. to deny his children a father…. I think he is so deeply immersed in Ruby being the boss that he will protect her and imo, protecting Ruby at this point knowing the torture, means he will not put them above her. I cld totally see him influencing them to say mom was good and lessen her involvement and ONLY push this all on Jodi.

[@glenf6639]

@@billyyank5807I can see this. I can also see that at the same time he is so deeply manipulated by Ruby that he wld help her by influencing the kids to try and lessen Ruby’s involvement. Anyone who has watched any of the 8 passengers videos knows that Ruby isn’t some weak pushover of a person. She aligned with Jodi. She is like Jodi. They are the same.

[@candiceyamaura]

The dad was right by her side through the terrible parenting practices. Dont give him the kids either!

[@angelapepple9901]

Exactly!

[@Michelle-nanax7]

One child said “ Finally “ when her mother was arrested. Remember this says a lot

[@jenallen5202]

The oldest yes I agree.

[@Yogelaine]

Time outs in a marriage don't last for over a year. Neglecting your children with no contact for over a year is abandon. I would not be surprised to learn that Jodi and Ruby became a couple and this is what broke up the marriage.

[@Jordan-nw4sj]

They are vehemently anti lgbtqia. If they are interested in each other, it's severely repressed. They feel like lgbtqia people are just living in sin and deception

[@rhondadavis1483]

That’s what I’m thinking also…but I guess we have to wait and see

[@lizlarsen1653]

We know they were a “couple” as far as doing podcasts together, hosting Connexions events together, going on vacation together, etc. They were very emotionally bonded, to the point it doesn’t matter if they were sleeping together.

[@christydurbin9277]

@@lizlarsen1653indeed

[@Yogelaine]

For me the point is that Kevin was put aside from his marriage and family and his role as husband and father was undermined by the very therapist who was hired to help his family. Becoming a "business partner" with a client is already unethical but having what may be an "affair" whether emotional or s, may be part of the reason Kevin behaved the way he did.

[@carina-jaipaul1342]

Kevin is a grown man who sat on his hands and did nothing and his lawyer is making excuses for him… Kevin participated in the barbaric punishments with Ruby before the KZbin channel was pulled.. Kevin was complicit in this…

[@SamanthaURen]

If he gets custody of those kids then I have lost faith in everything.

[@cacola_3373]

I absolutely dont believe him. How can you not see the boy sleeping on the floor. Kids in cages, ducktape, not feeding kids, bruising. Did he ever hold the kids, have any interaction, have dinner together, if not thats odd af. No, the mother is very strong willed and would have never done it because someone told her to. Did he NOT watch the podcast where she was spewing her idiotic child abuse. I would have done anything to find out what was going on.

[@MsEllaSyn]

Kevin has done plenty even before Jodi came into their lives. He was okay with his wife not giving food to their kids as a punishment. He was okay with having the youngest daughter go hungry in school because these sorry excuses of parents couldn't be bothered to pack lunches for them. He was more than okay with his oldest son sleeping on a bean bag as his room was taken away. He didn't speak up then, what makes anyone think he has his childrens best interests at heart? Edit: Let's also not forget that they exploited these kids to earn money, but then they owned nothing. Because in their own words everything belonged to Ruby. I remember them even saying "Mom is letting me use the bedroom" when moving in to a new house bought with the money they earned from filming the kids. Did Kevin every step in? Of course not. These kids had it worse than Hollywood child actors

[@dianeratti5644]

You are so right we people know he did abuse his children ALL THESE YEARS OMG PEOPLE REALLY & HIS LAWYER ISA JERK TRYING TO HELP HIM I COULD NEVER DO THAT EVEN IF I WAS A LAWYER I COULDN'T TAKE HIS CASE !!

[@christydurbin9277]

Amen I think the exact same thing

[@Hazelbea]

I totally agree and I’m so worried he’ll get custody.

[@B.annsummers]

Thank you ! Wanted to say all of this !!!

[@candiceyamaura]

COMPLETELY AGREE

[@magneticjanet5881]

Evidently some of Kevin’s students have commented on his behavior with students on “Rate My Teacher” and it’s pretty deplorable. Yelling at them, throwing a text book at one student and threatening them. One student had to drop his class because she couldn’t put up with his abusive behavior to his students. If the things his students say are true, he has an anger problem himself. I feel so sad for his children.

[@axemangang1584]

Yes if he obtain custody Of The kids they will be as bad off as they have been.

[@eden_aumakua]

That student should have reported him as physically abusive.

[@billyyank5807]

You believe everything you read on the internet?

[@tinaashton9009]

​@@billyyank5807it's always best to do your own research. 😊

[@tinaashton9009]

Hopefully the courts will listen to their children's desire of letting their father back into their lives based on their own experiences. The eldest has insight and is no longer in a space to be manipulated, so hopefully her input can be regarded as well.

[@betsytrog813]

I want to see her niece Jessi get the chance to be on that stand and look at Jodi while she tells everybody what was done to them.

[@karenbaldry8096]

Yes, and also Adam Steed. That would be the very best Karma.

[@godzillamanstreb524]

@@karenbaldry8096 I hope that happens….it will be healing for them too

[@rforresterbrown]

The dad saying he just wants everything to go back to normal says alot. They were not normal to begin with hence him leaving the household for a year with no contact with his children.

[@lesliemcdowell9426]

These children were abandon by everyone including parents and CPS. They should all be culpable for this torture Jodi inflicted on them.

[@truthhurts2879]

The fact that Kevin couldn't even be bothered to drive to the court hearings to be both a familiar and reassuring face for his children speaks volumes about his total disconnection from the plight of his children. I'd walk bare footed over hot coals & drive to the ends of the earth to let my child, in the most traumatic event of their lives, see my loving face for a matter of seconds never mind 10 minute hearings. That right there is the sum of Kevin's emotional maturity, or lack thereof, & undoubtedly shows in no uncertain terms just how minimally invested in his child's welfare at a time they need him most. No surprise of course.

[@amandaburnham8626]

He's 4 and a half hours away from the court hearings. Add to that some start in the afternoon, others 1st thing in the morning. This might not be their only case for the day. Their case might have only taken 10-15 minutes (maybe more). My guess is that his lawyer even recommended during the preliminary hearing not to make the drive due to the complexity of the case. The system operates slowly and bureaucratically. I was actually arrested on trumped up charges by my ex inlaws during the breakup of my marriage. They had to have either bribed or exchanged favors to get me out of my house for an hour or 2 for my ex husband to get some of his things. I was working with disabled adults at the time and their actions put my job in jeopardy. The charge was dropped but it took 2 hearings and 2 months to accomplish. Btw, I was 6 months pregnant.... great family I escaped

[@Txfreeandlovenit]

I think he should have gone down the night before and been there for the kids. Obviously money isn't an issue for this family.

[@cindyliao2250]

@@amandaburnham8626it is alleged that the kids were tortured. And he didn’t try to be there?

[@glenf6639]

He clearly values Ruby over his kids. I wldnt trust him to not try and influence them to say things to lessen the wrongs from Ruby.

[@glenf6639]

I don’t know legally if Kevin will be charged but he clearly hasn’t shown the ability to stand up for them or fight for them and to me….. he definitely shouldn’t have them unsupervised while this case continues. I think he is still spineless and takes his marching orders from Ruby. I fear he will do whatever he can to still protect her. Of course Jodi is 100% sick. But this doesn’t lessen the awfulness of Ruby. He wasn’t the man or father figure those kids needed.

[@StacysSoCalledLife]

One thing still hits me wrong that the lawyer says.. Ruby hasn’t allowed Kevin to see or speak to his kids in over a year. But all of a sudden on that day she calls him saying it’s an emergency to come take the kids?! To me that sounds like 2 things, Ruby is completely aware of the abuse of these kids and doesn’t want law enforcement to see them and Kevin must somehow be aware of it because wouldn’t he be in complete and utter shock at the appearance of them?! Just sounds so fishy and sketchy to me.

[@helenjennings9190]

I don't think Kevin was allowed to see the kids. They were already at the hospital and kept safe.

[@StacysSoCalledLife]

@@helenjennings9190 yes I know 😊 thankfully the police got to them first

[@jamieg.1392]

I would like to know where Ruby was after she filmed the Connexion video. Was she allowing Jodi to also abuse her kids bc the friendship was more important to Ruby than her children's safety. Did Ruby split for 48 hrs? I hope someone has video of when Ruby left after the filming. I have so many questions. Kevin never took care of those kids unless they were on vacation.

[@juliecrane9647]

@@jamieg.1392 she allowed and took part in the abuse bc these 2 arrogant control freaks made the perfect storm.

[@QueenOfTheNorth65]

And what right did she have to not “allow” him to see his own kids? That makes me so angry! Unless she had a legal document keeping him from the kids, she had no right to keep him from seeing them.

[@michelephelps1087]

Remember Jodi’s niece report of Jodi falsely accusing her of sexual misconduct as a young teen. Children can be manipulated into providing statements they think you want to hear without understanding what the words mean, especially if abuse is involved.

[@wiscogirl81]

At 13:30 Ruby is recording a video of herself & at least one of her children 13:35 saying "IT has been amazingly well behaved for being in town today" and at 13:35 I hear a little girl say, perhaps the child Ruby described as "It" say "Franke yelled at me".. Ruby saying "It has been amazingly well behaved today" Refering to a child as "It" reminds me of the book, "A Child Called IT" which was also a true life horror story of child abuse.

[@ninastanek3388]

I really would like to know if it’s attempted murder if they left the kids alone for days starving

[@melb4jd245]

Ruby is 100% responsible even if she was brainwashed. She is supposed to be their protector.

[@kataw0404]

I think Ruby fully understood and approved Jodi's methods. I don't know what to think about Kevin but I do think he shouldn't get custody of his kids.

[@MissAmanda616]

Kevin was able to find it in himself to speak up against the poor public school system where his children attended *LOUDLY & PROUDLY* over the kids participating in a fun flash mob dance, because he felt that the 45second clip of the song the teachers chose for the dance was so •D A N G E R O U S• any “good parent” would get involved!!! [Choosing to not speak to, or see your children for over a year, restricting food, extreme punishment……. That is all not nearly as dangerous or disturbing to him as that flash dance song was!] **

[@murderofcrows7738]

Kevin was an active part of Connexions. He was in some of their lecture and workshop videos long after Ruby cut her family off. People point the finger at Kevin because he was the only one with legal rights to the kids. There’s no reason Bonnie and Julie (who both helped support Shari) should be under the microscope more than Kevin is. Plus he was just as emotionally abusive as Ruby was back in their family vlogs. He took his son’s bedroom away, sent him away to Anasazi and allowed Ruby to food restrict and control the children. He’s fighting for custody because he wants his job at BYU back. Getting the kids back would allow him to argue he was just another victim. Shari knows the real story, and whoever she thinks the kids should go to is who people should be supporting.

[@julessmithpaints]

I don’t agree.

[@judygillespie3242]

​@@julessmithpaintsWhy?

[@80kokoro]

Mormon Stories Podcast on YT has a good interview in their lives with a man (Adam) who was kicked out of his home by his wife and lost his kids for a period of time because of Jodi Hildebrandt. If you listen to his interview I think you may have a different perspective on what may have been going on with Kevin during this time. I don't know for sure of course, I wasn't there, but a lot of what Kevin is saying in this statement is very similar to Adam's experience. Adam and his then wife originally started seeing Jodi for marriage counselling and she destroyed his life.

[@judygillespie3242]

Do you know for sure he lost his job at BYU? ALSO where did you find this information. TY

[@AlexMor0406]

​@@80kokoroHis emotional abuse and allowing Ruby/being complicit in abusing the children predates Jodi.

[@OG-vj7kp]

I’m so stunned that he’s not facing neglect charges. There’s no excuse to not see your kids for 12 months (unless there’s a previous custody ruling that we aren’t aware of) He chose his marriage (and her weird demands) over the safety and relationship he had with his children.

[@jodibraun6383]

I don't understand this, either. I checked the definition of "neglect" according to Utah law, and what Kevin did fits that definition. So why has he not been charged? And I do mean, "what Kevin did", because regardless of what his wife told him to do or not do, Kevin is still responsible. Period. His willingness to listen to his wife doesn't erase his responsibilities to his kids.

[@pinkgorilla99]

I thought Ruby could not get any worse when she was exploiting her children on KZbin for money. She shared their private, personal embarrassing information for the world to see. She took Christmas away from two of the children and they had to watch the other children open presents and have fun. She refused to take her 5yr old daughter lunch to school after a teacher called her. The child was responsible for making and remembering her lunch as a kindergartener. She actually even said she hoped no one would give her daughter any food so she could learn a lesson. All these things she proudly posted on KZbin and was paid handsomely for it. But this mess with Jodi and the physical abuse is just mind boggling. When people show you who they are, believe them. IMO no excuses for Ruby or Kevin. These are your children! You should be their protector and give unconditional love. Lock Ruby, Kevin and Jodi up and throw away the key. Disgusting people! I’m so sad for these children. It’s heartbreaking 💔

[@monicaglenn7878]

I agree 💯!! I'm sorry, but NO could ever tell me that, tying up my children and duct taping them, was adequate!! The whole, Ruby was brainwashed into thinking that, that was an appropriate punishment!! And if she is that easily " brainwashed", well she shouldn't be able to have custody of her kids!! Ruby, has 3 sisters, and a beautiful Mom and Dad, so the kids shouldn't end in foster care. Anyone that is trying to make Jodi out, to being the BIG BAD WOLF, and Ruby, this petite little lamb, being easily influenced...is 🐴 💩 IMHO.

[@julierowell48]

Agree 💯!!!!

[@davids5006]

I've been sent to bed without dinner..I went through different types of tough love and ya know what it worked and my kids got to experience it also

[@davids5006]

@blingfire1850 nope... But I guess belts and switches could count as torture by today's standards

[@davids5006]

@blingfire1850 pretty sure if you read the comment it mentions no lunch and being hungry, which is the part I referred to and then along comes your low IQ self

[@jenna2431]

Jodi's influence does not absolve Kevin his decision to go along with it.

[@aleksandra_c]

On Mormon Stories Podcast there is some more information about why and how Kevin was separated and even though we do not know the whole story it’s possible it’s similar to other Jodi’s victims. This case probably cannot be viewed without talking about mormonism…

[@shareekristin]

The dad sure didn’t think his kids deserved privacy when he and his wife were putting very private things all over the internet for their personal gain! What a crock! I hope they don’t seal this because I have a feeling they’re going to try and push things under the rug and lie to the public.

[@stephaniec0625]

A great dad with exceptionally strong bonds doesn't accept being kept from them. Period.

[@securwoman]

I used to work at Westlaw corporate offices where those books were made and the Westlaw online tool was created. I worked in IT, but am very familiar with those books.

[@skyrocketcoast219]

Kevin is a louse. He abandoned those children. Hes not communicating with his oldest daughter. Kevin is psychologically screwed up: he was a part of the inane rules & punishment for years. And now he thinks hes innocent?? Hilderbrandt and Ruby are sadistic monsters.

[@serenadevon]

He came off to me as a coward.

[@kla631]

They did say as soon as kids turned 18, bye bye. They don't want see them again. Big red flag.

[@brendagunnels2021]

John Dalen (sp?) of Mormon Stories Podcast has a great youtube video about how/why Kevin likely behaved the way he did throughout this ordeal. I recommend it highly! He really has the lowdown on the background of the Mormon Church and Jody Hildebrant. Very enlightening.

[@JustAnnieK]

Peter, thanks for this segment. I mailed you a copy of my book about child abuse and neglect, just fyi. The courts do make a distinction of culpability between abuse and neglect ("standing by" parent or guardian), but kids have rights and in the world's history, that remains a fairly new concept (as are the laws). The Reporting Law, helped along by my Dad (C. Henry Kempe) and which protected any CA reporter of concerns, passed in Colorado in 1960 and within two years throughout the US.

[@bethanywhite877]

Such a great thing your father did! ❤ I had to report child abuse 20 years ago. It wasn’t fun but worth it. I’m happy to report that beautiful boy is happy and healthy today and still in my life. I love him so much. I didn’t know about the law. It didn’t matter to me. I didn’t need the protection but glad the law is in place.

[@JustAnnieK]

Bethany, Well done, you. For many years, people stood by "My kids, my rules" which occasionally led to horrific outcomes. You made a difference to a child(ten).

[@JustAnnieK]

The law is reviewed annually by teachers, law enforcement, social services etc so they are all aware. Ironically, the originators didn't think they needed to add clergy!

[@I_HaVe_QuEsTiOnS4u]

Do we actually know he didn't at some point report her?

[@JustAnnieK]

Every reported case of child abuse must be followed up on by Child Protective Services or local social workers, so the public may or may not know if and when he reported, but an investigation would have followed a report.

[@ScreamingMothVibes]

Anyone who has been keeping up with Ruby for the last 3/4 years, knows she didn't need Jodi to escalate. She does that on her own. Let's not diminish the parents complicity of BOTH parents and the escalating abuse already happening on camera.

[@emmie9696]

I agree 100% Peter, my first response would have been "what the heck happened, did you know about this, how did you let this happen". Sorry, he knew what was going on and conveniently stayed away. Who stays away from their children for this length of time.

[@clevernickname2906]

About 15 years ago my ex was fussing about paying 63$/week in support. I got mad and told him if he left us alone, I’d leave him alone (referring to not pushing back support) every now and then a little money shows up in the support account but we have not heard from in since. My littles are now 18 & 19. She is in college and national guard. He graduated at 17. I think they are great kids.

[@sandee-zn9tq]

Dad Kevin's problem is- he can't say he was part of their lives to avoid parental neglect issues, yet NOT know they were being tied down w/ ropes, neglected & starved to level of emaciation!! UT Parental (& therapist?) ABUSE 101!!

[@bees5461]

I'm glad someone sent you links to get familiar with the Mormon influence that is a huge part of this story. There are numerous men who tell the same story about Jodi tearing their marriages apart. It all starts with Jodi separating the men from the women in counseling sessions and then the women are the "good guys" and the men are always the "bad guys". She also has a history of accusing young children of actual crimes, so I would be very skeptical of any accusation that Ruby's children were abusing other children. Jodi not only separates the women from their husbands, but also separates the mother from the children. It must be understood that the Mormon religion considers masturbation and even a single instance of someone looking at pornography to be criminal. If either of those kids had been caught in even innocent touching of their own private parts they are labeled as having sex addiction and worse. Jodi was obsessed with "sexual" deviance and constantly accused teenage and younger kids of such things. The Mormon Stories Podcast is a great podcast to learn about how Mormons in general are taught and then also has interviews with people who have come forward about Jodi in particular. I'm not implying that Mormons are bad or the religion is bad - it's a "high demand" religion that can be taken too far by some folks - like Jodi and Chad and Lori Vallow Daybell. That podcast is well worth checking out here on KZbin for anyone who truly wants to understand this whole story because the idea of taking the LDS religion too far is important to this whole case.

[@sparklingdragon8888]

I was looking for someone to suggest Mormon Stories Podcast. Thank you! It is so eye opening!

[@sparklingdragon8888]

@@jessiejames6566 please watch Mormon Stories Podcast with Adam Steele & Jessie Hildebrandt. They were taught it’s a sin equal too or greater then murder.

[@Dressed_In_Black]

Mormon stories is absolutely eye-opening for many reasons.

[@jennchristiansen9427]

Peter, Jody has the wife draw up a “marital contract”. This has been shown in other cases such as Adam Paul Steed case. Failure for the husband to comply even if by ‘accident’ through baiting, caused him to acquire 4 felonies. This story is way bigger than the surface.

[@jodibraun6383]

But how aware was Kevin that this kind of thing happened? Was he aware of what Jodi could/would do if he didn't comply with her ridiculous, shady contract?

[@jennchristiansen9427]

@@jodibraun6383 I think he was aware of the abuse.

[@jodibraun6383]

@@jennchristiansen9427 I have a hard time believing he didn't know about it, myself. Dude seems pretty shady. Especially now that we know he was so desperate to have his eldest daughter arrested that he threatened to sue the cops if they didn't. That's shady as hell. But what I was questioning is whether or not Kevin knew what was happening to men like Adam Paul Steed, before he decided to go ahead and spend 13 months neglecting his kids. If he did know, it's almost believable that he would have gone along with it, because what else could he do in that case? He'd have been stuck between a rock and a hard place, and hoping that things didn't get any worse. The church wasn't going to help him - the church sent him and his family to Jodi. But if he wasn't aware, then WTF? If he wasn't aware that these other men were facing the shitstorm that is Jodi's weird, man-hating wrath, well then, he's just a wimpy deadbeat Dad, isn't he? He didn't appear to make any effort on behalf of the kids during the time he was away from them. Nor did he secure the services of a lawyer. I suspect he's just a wimpy, deadbeat Dad, and honestly, I'm shocked he hasn't been charged with neglect/abandonment, because what he did certainly fits the criteria according to Utah's legal definition. But I do have to wonder what he knew, and when he learned of it. The whole thing is just shady.

[@jennchristiansen9427]

@@jodibraun6383 I agree. I think he is pretty shady. I think he has some pretty damning things in those electronic journals. I really think Ruby and Jody had him by the balls. But, I also think he was complicit in the abuse of his children. Shari didn’t leave only due to Ruby. I think it is B.S. that the sisters had no clue. People tend to learn abuse from their own abuse as a child. Just bc the other sisters weren’t abused so to speak doesn’t mean she wasn’t her parents ‘bad object’. The Church says it cares about the little children in Tim Ballard’s case, but doesn’t with Jody. Wild to me. I hope Kevin never gets his kids back. They have endured enough. The two youngest kids are going to have a very rough path. Chances are, they probably didn’t do anything. Jody convinced her own niece, why not Ruby’s kids. I don’t think any of the abused men by Jody knew each other’s plights. What a sad case about Adam Steed. You know Hillam and the Steed connection, right? You seem pretty insightful. Well look at what happened to Hillam’s great grandchild. Birds of a feather flock together. You will understand what I mean if you look it up. I hope we speak again on the 2-4 degrees of separation from Jody. People who are corrupt in the soul tend to find company in one another.

[@emilyhover2551]

If you learn more about Jodi you will see how messed up Ruby and Kevin’s relationship was. Jodi’s “therapy” was CRAZY, and after learning more, I can totally see how Ruby had control and made Kevin believe he couldn’t talk to his kids or her.

[@Viridian-Lawnerd]

Something people generally don't tend to consider is that it's possible to be both a victim and a victimizer. It's possible to be culpable in some acts and not even aware of other acts. Life and humans are complicated. Two things can be true at once. It'll take time to work out how much and to what acts can be placed at the feet of various people.

[@julierowell48]

There is absolutely no way Ruby is a victim!

[@stephanieyates9551]

Also, Jodi had her license suspended for 18 months yet was reinstated and the church took her back as their preferred counsellor. What kinds of courses, rehab, remedial education was required of her before she had her license reinstated?

[@pjsa65]

I like your coverage. I'm glad I found your channel because you are calming in your presentation.

[@NeuroPandas]

Kevin knew, just focus on the one video of their oldest son talking about not having a bed for 7 months and sleeping on a beanbag chair. He might not be involved in the duct tape and starvation but he was involved in some of the bad decisions and clearly didn't have the parental mindset to know they were also wrong. He doesn't need to be involved in the new awful things, but he was not innocent in all of it.

[@amyholman354]

Jodi may to be blame as a source, but that does not excuse either Ruby or Kevin from neglect and abuse.

[@staceymerkin3809]

Once upon a Time, the only way to do legal research was to go through those law books!

[@eleanorgeorge309]

I was in the opposite scenario, I was the wife that had no support. After I had left my husband, we had a family support worker that was supposed to go to each place and decide which place would be best for our children to be. The family maintenance worker just went off the reservation and started accusing me to my ex that I was planning on moving to Mexico, that was never one of my plans. But he got my ex all riled up and then my ex decided to go for full custody of our kids based on those accusations. I have to say that during this time, the only friends I had were my exe's family members. So we did go to court, but by then I knew I didn't have any support to say that I was a good mother, as his family only stood behind him and his stories about how bad I was as a mother. Actually, I could say a lot more, but if I have any advice to give right now, it's to say make sure you do let other people know what is happening in your family life. Videos and text messages, how you are feeling, and be honest, with at least one person. This will really help to prove your side of the story, if there is ever a question

[@cjstory8418]

The lawyer for Kevin will say anything. If you watch the videos prior to the last year you will see he was in line with Ruby.

[@kelliesharpe1067]

i'd be willing to be anything that the accusations Ruby made against her own son in court (molesting neighbors and being addicted to porn at 3yrs old) all came from Jodi telling Ruby that God told her all of that in a dream. Jodi used to punish her niece, Jessi, for things they never did and she'd tell Jessi that God told her in a dream. for example.. she accused Jessi of having multiple abortions and Jessi had never even had sex. and they were abused for that dream and the abuse wouldn't stop until Jessi admitted to things that weren't true.

[@MrsSeaHag]

After listening to Adam Steed saying anyone that questioned Jodi she turned around and literally destroyed them as a person. Listening to the interview with Jodi’s niece and everything she went through, it’s no wonder Kevin never said a word to anyone. He would have lost everything, not just his family.

[@smoore7768]

@MrsSeaHag valid point

[@dianneamado7525]

This isn’t just a Jodi Hildebrandt thing, every therapist that works for the LDS church has the permission to tell local church leaders, aka bishops. It happened to me and it happens to other poor LDS people who are brain washed to think this is ok. That the church needs this information to “help” you.

[@karispauly2626]

I really, really hope he does not get custody of these children. I want to hear from Shari on this.

[@susansteinhardt8503]

I love seeing you again!! You are the best of what you do.

[@TheAngie2920]

He’s the father! He’s accountable for abuse by neglecting his kids at least! In my opinion .

[@ohmeowzer1]

Well done ..I liked and subscribed..thank you so much I appreciate the way you explained everything

[@vickihatherley3448]

Great coverage on a sad story,hope the children are gettimg the help they desperately need from Yorkshire,u.k

[@lunalady1821]

Please watch Mormon stories podcast, to understand from the Mormon doctrine and give your impression of how the religious ingrained religion is beleved. I am not a Mormon, chasity purity is on a level as murder. No porn, or masturbation, male or female, the manliputation of how Joni used Doctrine. Value your input.

[@cathyray3861]

Agree, very good podcast and helped shed some light on what the Mormons believe....it's insane !

[@baladilady]

I agree. Kevin was probably concerned that he would be accused of being some kind of sexual deviant if he didn't do as Ruby said. However, he was in the home during some of the disturbing treatment of the children, and his students didn't have a great opinion of him.

[@lizlarsen1653]

Ruby marched up to one of her Mormon neighbors and told him to take down a poster he had in his garage, because the woman was wearing shorts. That’s toxic Mormon-shaming. I was raised Mormon, and I’ve seen it all my life. Back in the 60’s my parents would criticize the Lennon Sisters when they sang on the Lawrence Welk Show, if their gowns didn’t have sleeves!!! Not kidding.

[@baladilady]

@@lizlarsen1653 I wasn't raised as a Mormon, and I wouldn't have known about the sexual shaming until it was clearly explained on The Mormon Stories Podcast.

[@lizlarsen1653]

@@baladilady The second-highest leader in the church told the teenaged girls that if they wore immodest (too short, sleeveless, midriff showing) clothing, they were “walking pornography”. Despicable man. (Oaks).

[@TheRenegadeMoose]

The fact he doesn’t have custody now is insane. Something wacky is clearly going on.

[@rhodadutoit1747]

Here is the thing. If that little boy thought for one second his dad would come save him, dont you think he would have asked the neighbor to call his dad - and not the police???? This is so sad to me.

[@julessmithpaints]

Jonathan I agree with you … and am open to understanding the full scope of this mess.

[@bcastle2397]

The Mormon Stories podcast confirms much of what Kevin's lawyer says. Gives possible reasons why he stayed away from the family.

[@jessicasalter8925]

You should all listen to the Mormon Stories episodes about Jodi Hildebrand. There is a lot of context behind why the dad would be scared to see the kids and blindly follow what Jodi and ruby demanded of him.

[@davids5006]

Yeah. I went months and months without talking to my kids, but people that don't get it just never will

[@angela_eric]

All I know is that this case is going to be messy in court. From what I've seen in the public, I believe that the dad should have some culpability but how much I'm not sure. Jodi should be thrown in jail for as long as the law allows, and ruby should get just slightly less than that.

[@Itsjustme115]

When people get the FACT that when a mother impartially pushes a father out of the family he has 0 say… I hope none of you have to go through this but it’s criminal how fathers are treated when pushed out of the family!!!

[@janetgood6332]

he was there when mom was withholding food from the kids and making one sleepnon a beanbag for months on end. He was absolutely fine with their public humiliation. The fact that he wasn't around for whatever reason doesn't mean he's ANY better than horribly bullying mom.

[@teresamcclenathan7726]

So many videos show Kevin being abusive to these kids. He is seen holding the older son’s homework in a bag and telling him he has to pay to get it back, or sending him to a survival camp, taking him out of football, just as a few examples with just one child. He was part of all the abuse. Did he not notice they were not allowed to eat? He has no business taking those children.

[@julissongs]

WOW !! 275 K !! Congrats !!

[@carlacastillo3110]

Another great vídeo peter, you are doing an awesome job.

[@Shanti-qr3ky]

just 3 things to do about the scumbag father. 1) Follow the money, his lawyer admitted he's living off the money they made from exploiting and absing the kids. It's all about the money, scumbag sold his kids on YT and scumbag and monster wife took all the money. The kids didn't get any. Scumbag is worried that the money will be given to the kids, that is why he wants the kids, so he can control the money. 2) How long would he have stayed away from his kids? It is already over a year, without a ph call, visit, check-in or anything. So how long would he have waited, if his son didn't escape? 3) Waiting for the "mistress" to come out. Did he have a relationship with another woman?

[@kateg6029]

Any parent that believes his absence from his kids needs their head read, secondly, his lawyer only claims the father was not involved with physical abuse, but there videos show he did participate in abuse of his children. Lastly, the fact the father has not shown any ability to advocate for his children and wants his family back together should have alarm bells ringing. His children should be the priority not his marriage

[@NJaze]

Never seem to manage a live as in the UK 🇬🇧 but Thank-you 😊

[@vickihatherley3448]

Same hate the time difference lol

[@jz.41]

Great stream Peter glad i caught i live its been awhile! I was hoping to run something by you i believe i may have a legal case i need my 3rd knee replacement in 2 years which is insane on every level especially pain! I wasn't sure if you could possibly guide me as i am in TX?

[@AL-fl4jk]

It’s very telling his lawyer kept reiterating he never PHYSICALLY abused them…

[@camy87]

They were victims of Jodi, but both are capable too.

[@KitKatSukiKat]

Missed you and your videos! 🥰 I’ve been packing as I’m moving. Hate to miss your videos. Hugs from 🇨🇦🥰

[@elizabethmccready]

The men in the LDS church who have recommended her for all these years should be investigated as well. She's had her license suspended before and her own niece tried to tell them what she was doing. The LDS church has been sanctioning unreal amounts of abuse for years, they need to be looked at.

[@rivkaesther2442]

You need to listen to Adam Steed's interview on Mormon Stories to understand Jodi's MO for cutting husbands out of their family's life. You can't really be informed about why Kevin acted as he did without learning more about the way Jodi worked with families and especially husbands.

[@cynthiamachuga6146]

Right. I think a lot of people are missing the culture of what is like there in southern Utah. We lived down there for 6 months, and it was very much of a shock. There seems to be similarities with Jodi's ideas and old fashion flds.

[@idahardy4052]

Jodi wasn’t just a life coach or whatever. She was a state licensed mental health provider.

[@kellicat6352]

Scary. Just so sad.

[@EASTSIDERIDER707]

Investigators have asked all the questions and it is part of the record that will be available in good time.

[@taramay430]

With how much those law books cost, I would want them in my photos too! Love your videos! Thanks!

[@glorias3838]

Cover and discuss Ben Chew's reaction, yes

[@sngray11]

The way Kevin’s lawyer is painting him as a wonderful father is inauthentic. Prior to the thirteen months he went no contact with his children, he condoned and participated in the punishments that the children faced and had no issue exploiting his children for financial gain on social media. It also doesn’t add up that he didn’t check in on his children at all during those 13 months when he knows how Jodi and Ruby are. Imho, I don’t think that he should regain custody of his children. There is also still a chance that he will get charged or make a plea deal to testify against Jodi and Ruby. We shall see. Thank you Peter for continuing to cover this case. 💗

[@taramata6172]

One question I would ask is, "What did she lie about before?" Seeking information about if any thing she lied about was abusive.

[@ladyingray]

My dad got custody of me and my 2 sisters, 1 young teen & 2 tweens, in the early '70s when it just didn't happen. If the dad didn't have a court order to stay away from his kids for a year, he has culpability. I give him no quarter.

[@jeanjones7183]

No,he let children have no Christmas

[@lonigallarda4618]

no Christmas is not abuse....

[@jeanjones7183]

@@lonigallarda4618 it is if 4 children are allowed &2 are not &put it out on social media

[@joymobbs5482]

Everyone needs to watch the latest mormon stories he answers alot of questions as to why the father did what he did

[@candycornett5061]

Thank you for your wise wisdom

[@carolynwilson7806]

Kevin knew about they older son having his room taken away, the kids being deprived of food, having Christmas taken away and having everything, no matter how embarrassing for the kids, being put out for all the world to see. He’s a day late and a dollar short to protect and care for his kids. He also sent the older son to that”camp.”

[@Doglover04407]

Normal people like us can’t comprehend this type of behavior. But the more I learn about this belief system . It’s crazy!

[@QueenOfTheNorth65]

His lawyer said Kevin had “No idea” what was going on. But THAT is part of the problem. If he was being kept from his own children, why didn’t he go to court to make arrangements to be able to see them? If my husband threw me out, unless I had a court order barring me from seeing my children, I would move Heaven and earth to still be able to see them. Kevin just seems like a very weak, ineffectual father.

[@janeadams8355]

The Mormon Church recommended Jodi to its members. If members couldn't pay the thousands of dollars a month for the "counseling " then the church picked up the tab. The first red flag was Jodi's outrageous fees. She moved in with the Franke family. Right after Kevin was told he had to move out of the master bedroom. Sidenote: Jodi is divorced and her ex-husband has custody. Perhaps subconsciously Jodi thinks, if I can be happy then no one else can. As a retired teacher I find it unbelievable the teachers weren't subspious. It does not surprise me that family services didn't act. They always claim overworked and they are. A fourth grader was so desperate for help that he walked into our office and dropped his pants showing new and partially healed cigarette burns saying, "Please will someone help me?!" I was in the office at the time and saw this when it happened.

[@GMAMEC]

I believe the kids were eventually homeschooled.

[@jerseyshoreliving_NatalieMal]

Peter thank you for following this.

[@shelby477]

After hearing the Mormon Stories interview with Adam Paul Steed, I completely understand Kevin's actions, or lack of. Another commenter here mentioned his bad classroom room behavior, but learning what Jody Hildebrandt was very likely doing to his life, that is also understandable. I honestly believe Kevin is pretty much off the hook in light of how truly evil, vile and insidious this woman seems to be. And so much of this needs to be viewed through the Mormon lens to understand how this woman could get her hooks into so many people.

[@Susan_1]

I believe what you said, I didnt know how to say it.

[@bcastle2397]

Yes--that podcast really explains possible reasons Kevin stayed away from the family.

[@TheFaro2011]

I listened to this podcast, but I find it so hard to believe such a "tough guy" wouldn't just allow the rules and go down legal route. He's not of the demeanor of other men.

[@Dressed_In_Black]

I was just thinking this too. Jodi could have crushed him.

[@MsK_1111]

Exactly

[@Somegirl811]

From everything I've heard about Jodi and her habit of sexually shaming men for normal behavior, I don't believe the older boy lost his bedroom/privacy for 7 months over a silly prank. Sounds like all the men and boys were being punished including Kevin.

[@menarussell]

I'm just starting to listen to this. I HOPE you talk about his students that outed him for his abuse in the classroom.

[@mjokc2658]

As always, I love hearing your fair take on everything you post. You always make me think. Mormon Stories Podcast posted a great video yesterday about why he thinks Kevin was afraid to cross Jodi & the role the mormon church has to play in all of this. John Delind does a great job of really breaking it all down. Does he excuse kevin, the sisters, & the church? No, but he dose pose some answers that are thought provoking, in my opinion.

[@utmastuh]

I think Peter and others speak from a place of real privilege to not understand what it's like to be in a broken home. Blaming the husband for his wife splitting and taking the kids. Do you realize how long, complex, expensive, time consuming, and emotional it is to get into a custody battle? Especially when they aren't even legally divorced or separated, it's just an amicable temporary split. We need to hear more before judging this guy