Therapist Reacts: Ruby Franke's Warning Signs of Family Dysfunction | 8 Passengers

[@SoSoSteph]

The fact that this woman has sat on the internet for years publicly abusing her kids is a testament to where we are as a society. It’s really disturbing and disgusting.

[@snicksabea]

There was a petition with thousands of signatures to get her off KZbin cause she was so abusive.

[@SoSoSteph]

@@snicksabea I know. Yet clearly she was still allowed to abuse these children.

[@snicksabea]

@@SoSoSteph I know. 💔 I’m glad they’re safe now.

[@SoSoSteph]

@@snicksabea same.

[@brokebishboutique79]

I mean.. this is just one form of icky when it comes to society. There is many flavors out there tbh.

[@h.j.chapin9595]

Ms. Ruby is about to learn what "lack of privacy" truly means when she's incarcerated for her crimes against her OWN children. KARMA!

[@timhansen3376]

❤ cavity searches are necessary.

[@deborahdobey3135]

... and that is justice!

[@melaniehoilman2663]

😂😂😂 amazing comment, ur absolutely right.

[@stevewalther2293]

She lost her bedroom as well...

[@lilacscentedfushias1852]

I’m sure the fellow ‘room mates’ will teach them how it feels to be terrified, extremely hungry, lack of a comfy bed, cold, lack of nice shower and self care products 😂 as others have said KARMA!

[@co1nmage735]

I was raised by a highly narcissitic birth giver and I hope these kids are more resilient than myself. It's been a lifelong struggle. I feel so bad for the kids.

[@Greenwitch_Garden]

Birth giver… I’ve been looking for a word that woman. Thank you. I’ve also struggled in every aspect in life. It gets a little easier with therapy and time.

[@margaretburr7975]

Or a DNA component.

[@maila319]

I am so sorry this happened to you. I hope you managed to get out of this struggle.

[@mrcommonsense9074]

I feel you For me it’s amazing as a kid I was longing for attention from a woman that was far from a mother . You get stuck in their world which is detrimental.

[@frenchtoastemergency]

The way she says “Do you see how loving that is?” in a voice of gleeful, intense malice is absolutely chilling.

[@Tina06019]

That’s exactly what is so ferociously frightening about this horrible woman.

[@Julesb2183]

So very mormon.

[@tiger.wolf.2033]

@@Julesb2183 you said it well. I have met many Mormons with the same evil malice. I also met kids abused by the sect. I was younger, in my 10s, then later, in my teens and 20s, again I met more children of the cult with many sexual issues, trauma, completely dysfunctional. Their parents had the same abusive behavior I notice in Ruby and Jodi. Another sect where I noticed and I was also a victim from, was in the Baptist church. My father became one and his woman, also "converted". Both made my life hell on Earth. The whole cult would come to our house to harass me. These cults are dangerous and all types of psychos inhabit them. Later, when I was in Canada, I read a book, "The People of the Lie". I was shocked! the majority of the patients and cases studies by that psychiatrist proved to me I wasn't wrong: I had met throughout my life such individuals. Many were parents of friends of mine or people in my own family. It was appalling to realize how many of these creatures passed by me on this Earth. A friend read the book and she got another shock: in those pages she found her own ex husband who abused her and her children. She told me: "my dear, this book is a gem! There are so many mentally ill beings around us and we haven't realized... after reading this book, I am very much afraid of my ex!"... I advice you to read that book and pay attention. You'll find Ruby, Kevin and Jodi in those pages too.

[@pizzapizzapizza5]

Reminds me of my mom

[@fifilafleur5555]

😈😈😈

[@JackieOlantern]

Glad to say I had never heard of this woman until she was arrested.

[@Danibug727]

Same. This video sickened me. Those poor children...

[@E.Cerulean]

Same

[@KandyKoatedKrafts]

Me too!!

[@bonniejosavland3227]

Me too😳

[@VarnasBaltas]

Same.

[@Juhani139]

Threatening to cut the toy's head off is the equivalent to saying she was going to decapitate a person. At that age the toy is a person and a friend. The toy has a personality in her mind That to me was much worse than everything else I've seen about 8 passengers.

[@sedwards6337]

Omg!! A toddler!! A baby girl?!? As a toddler mom it is in us physiologically, hormonally to be pained when our toddler is in distress. If you do not feel distressed when your child is, something is wrong with you as a mother. And you need treatment. 100%

[@wintyforever]

@@sedwards6337when R was younger, after she did something to emotionally hurt him, she said “you’re cute when you’re sad.” Chilling words considering what she goes on to put him through later.

[@deborahpoole9710]

There are few words to describe how sick this woman is. I refuse to call her a mother. She is lacking the natural affection chip. So sad for these kids. The abuse will take years to recover from.

[@Nasima1368]

Adding to all that A teddy bear is something that is supposed to help a child fall sleep and helping her feel safe and now her mom threatens to kill her toy that is the source of safety for her. And also in a very disturbing and disgusting way. The kid feels that her mom is not safe and at the same time she is also getting what calming thing that she has left and it’s going to eliminate that too. She has nowhere to go to feel safe.

[@katherineweber8955]

I agree. That was so disturbing. She's a toddler! And I wouldn't threaten to destroy any child's toy. Ever. Maybe take it for awhile but it doesn't belong to me. It belongs to my child. You MUST respect that. It teaches them respect, too.

[@__L563]

The way she always smiles and laughs her eyes shine whenever any of her children express discomfort or sadness is disgusting.

[@gail5794]

Ruby obtains joy from other people’s pain. She seizes moments from her children’s “misbehavior” and punishment to provide that joy for her. You can see it in her Joker smile. Sooo sick/evil personified!

[@Iquey]

It's the lust for power.

[@lanafox6354]

Very creepy when Ruby turns to the camera and tells the kids about "their viewers"

[@darlenemateri6521]

​@@lanafox6354, Because us viewers spotted her abuse and reported it. She's a narcissist. Evil bitch..

[@ritamartellacci7114]

Just curious are they a Mormon church family ???

[@erikkasepiphany]

The older sister was protecting and mothering the youngest children because of the mom’s abuse, and once the oldest daughter left the house and went to college, those young kids were utterly defenseless to the mother’s abusive will. We all saw this coming but no one stopped it.

[@whims6278]

This is an aspect I haven't seen talked about as much. You can see how she provided the emotional parenting and gave them the comfort and warmth that I'm sure she wanted from her mom. It's so sad.

[@erikkasepiphany]

@@whims6278 I always see things that the average person might miss. It’s both a blessing and a curse to see all the small details in life.

[@oneofmany7051]

Wow, you actually just described my family dynamic growing up. I am the oldest of 7 (the older sister). I feel so seen. Thank you, @erikkasepiphany.

[@erikkasepiphany]

@@oneofmany7051 aww 🥰 I am so glad you feel seen. I wish you nothing but the best, you obviously have a very giving and nurturing heart. I hope you find peace and healing.

[@kittybear9693]

So impossible to stop

[@deemah1237]

keep in mind that ruby thought all these clips of her abusing her kids were appropriate to be posted and shared with millions it says a-lot about how damaging and dysfunctional this household is

[@tinaroyaaskari2163]

I'm a tiny bit glad she posted her clips. The court can now see her true colors

[@moniquedelaney7958]

She obviously read her followers well . Very unfortunate indeed

[@n0tfr0mth1sw0rld]

Yeah and also how much more abuse her children must've endured behind closer doors. Glad they were multiple. Just imagine it would've all fallen on one child.

[@hannahbuffy7400]

It shows how damaged and dysfunctional this woman has probably always been. The fallout on her kids may only extend the cycle for another generation. I hope all of the kids are getting the love, acceptance, compassion and mental health support they need to become hopefully healthy adults. Franke is clearly mentally ill. She deserves to be punished and desperately needs mental health treatment before she goes out and gets her hands on another child. My only question: Where in the world is the father of these kids???? How had their physical condition sunk so low HE didn’t step in?? I wonder about his own culpability; he’s equally responsible for their children.

[@darlenegattus8190]

Yep

[@galejohnson8086]

Her 6 year old forgets to pack a lunch in the morning, but I can see that Ruby had time for all her makeup, false lashes, etc.

[@tinaroyaaskari2163]

She was a selfish cow. I'm glad her kids are saved from her

[@katieh3236]

Totally

[@MommaYeager1221]

If Eve was made to be responsible for making her lunch at her age, Ruby should be responsible as her mom to make sure this chore was followed through!

[@dbuglove537]

This was my thought exactly!​@@MommaYeager1221

[@nhung7592]

My same thought!

[@jphzzzz]

Big sis is a better mother than baby girls mother. She even physically positions herself in a protective mode with the little girl and stands up for her. How painful to have to be in that position. I am so glad this 12 year old boy made the escape and brought this to everyone's attention.

[@analuisahering2043]

The fact that the two kids who were rescued had episodes of bed wetting and vomiting shows the level of anxiety they were living through 😭

[@Nwebbs12]

CPS needs to be held accountable. Cps has failed so many children...they failed me as a child as well.

[@shilohivy4590]

This sadist was allowed to continue on after posting horrific gleeful abuse online . It’s sad

[@moniquedelaney7958]

@@shilohivy4590and criminal

[@mackhomie6]

It's not cps' fault. Do you really want cps to be able to take kids away from parents without any real evidence

[@darlenemateri6521]

​@@mackhomie6 ,There was enough evidence on her vlog seen and reported by viewers. Turns out she was an abuser and evil bitch after all. Who torments children let alone your own you brought into this world . Those you love and protect from bitches like, Ruby Frankie and Jodi Hildebrandt and their worthless parents like Kevin Franke .

[@MoneyStrategiesSOULutions]

Nah, they are known to do a terrible job, tho that said, most of them have much to high case loads.@@mackhomie6

[@Mt-kd8gl]

Saddest part is seeing the older sister trying to explain how Eve was too young to wake herself. Trying to defend her and feeling so confused about what she knows is right as a young teenager versus her adult mom.

[@OzzyVRrealone]

She is a boss. She'll stomp her mom's ass one day

[@leratogoge6649]

Totally

[@annaf3915]

How did noone of their followers point this out to the so called mom? Doesn't every adult who needs to wake up at a certain time set an alarm - because we don't have a built in timer to wake us up for work or school? And if 3 year old Eve slept in so late that preschool was in fact "over" or she would have been very late, why wouldn't her mother take the blame for not putting her to bed at an appropriate time? This is beyond delusional... So sad how noone noticed how dangerous that was

[@sonia1082]

For me it was the threat of cutting off the ear of the soft toy.

[@latonyanarcisse7112]

@@annaf3915Many followers did call her out and some called child protective services on her, but unfortunately nothing happened to the mother or father😢

[@Sydsultubo]

It's weird enough when she says "the privilege to dinner". It's not a privilege, it's a right

[@iamahorsenut7541]

Exactly, children need a meal

[@TheDclawson]

If that was actually broadcasted, I can't believe DCFS and/or Law Enforcement didn't raise a brow of what may be happening in that home!!

[@RendaJane]

Rubes got a lot of sadistic satisfaction. She didn’t let her eat AND was giddy about making her daughter’s teacher “uncomfortable”. Perfect mom. Just ask her.

[@Mandrewthedude]

What is a right and where does it come from?

[@AJ-ps2bw]

Yeah... I stress if I don't feel like my children eat enough. I couldn't imagine withholding meals from them. Poor kids!!

[@lianevoelker9845]

I used to watch 8 passangers when I was younger. Didn't find their parenting weird - only to find out years later that I too have an abusive mother. I feel so deeply sorry for these kids. Hopefully they are getting all the help and support now. Thanks to the internet we now can identify our parents unhealthy behaviour and heal our attachment.

[@Zarastro54]

The internet is the biggest double edged sword mankind has ever invented.

[@auntihooha]

I didn't know that my parents and I were alcoholics until my aunt gave me a book for Adult Children of Alcoholics. I was confused even though I'd been drinking myself to sleep since the age of 18. When it's all around you all your life, you think it's normal. Poor children. This woman is a nightmare and I hope she never gets to talk to her kids, ever again. I hope they find some self-worth and lots of love- they're going to need it since their reptilian mother ripped their hearts out.

[@suryan207]

Thank you for pointing out how this enables abuse

[@Jamama4]

I'm sorry that happened to you. I hope others will recognize what you did and be supported.

[@TheSuzberry]

Wishing you all the best. Hope you find a way to heal from the abuse in your upbringing.

[@dawnh9882]

I am a product of a home like that. I'm 58 with PTSD. It's been a hard life. No one listened to me, validated or loved me. It's been a lifetime of healing. If you suspect anything, say SOMETHING. YOU COULD SAVE A LIFE.

[@rebeccagable9629]

Unfortunately the judge didn't even help these kids & apparently not the other groups, either. Small town, I suspect some of the people in power were of this same religion.

[@Prin_Cess_007]

@@rebeccagable9629do you mean she’s out of jail?

[@justkiddin84]

@@Prin_Cess_007she is not out. Not sure what judge they mean

[@rosas5365]

Same here at 57 still struggling. I remember my aunts in both sides being very nice with me as if they felt sorry for me. So the love and warm I felt as a child came from them, never from my mother. My father was always out "working" extra hours.

[@emileehoerl98]

@@justkiddin84probably referring to the judge who refused a search warrant a few years back

[@AmandaLevey]

That little boy was so courageous to get out of that house of horrors and get help for him and his siblings especially in a time he must have been emotionally and physically beaten down. I hope he can have a happy ending and live a life without that monster that portrayed herself as his mother

[@shilde]

Especially courageous when we learned from rubys own journals that he had escaped once before only to be tracked down and brought back and tied down even more than before. The fact that he saw another chance to escape, knowing what would happen if he were caught, really shows how intensely brave and determined he was to save his and his sisters life. What an amazing kid.

[@deborahpoole9710]

I just heard a better more correct term for her than mother- birth giver.

[@shadamyandsonamylover]

I just want to make it very clear that Russell didnt actually escape to help his sister in the way you think. He wanted to put himself in jail because he was told that’s where he belongs. Russell is very traumatized and will have a hell of a time working through this. I know if I was him I would feel awful about all these people calling me a hero when I know my intentions were not like that at all.

[@margaretburr7975]

​@@shadamyandsonamyloverI heard that too.

[@AvaEFF]

@@shadamyandsonamyloverhe wanted to go to jail because he knew he would be treated better than in that house.

[@erikavaleries]

She reminds me of my mother, laughing as she abuses. That’s why I am no contact with her - I find her sadistic or psychopathic, beyond narcissistic or dysfunctional.

[@DeeLite220]

Good for you. Anyone who finds joy in those things is unhinged. Hope you are doing great now ❤

[@catsnfashion80s]

Glad you got away!

[@rebeccagable9629]

100%

[@PandaRaeb]

Laughing when she abuses- its so familiar (not with my mom but another person) damn whats wrong with them

[@Nikki30288]

❤ praying for your healing

[@amandatyler4324]

One thing that drives me absolutely crazy…when a parents say “everything in this house is mine, not yours.” Oh really? You’ve never given them any Christmas or birthday gifts? You don’t get to take away another persons property just because you personally purchased it!! You don’t own your child!!

[@dianesullivan1047]

Not even Kevin’s just Rubys

[@Kloetenhenne]

In German laws, there is actually a difference between the person who purchased something and the person using it.

[@maryw1129]

I agree

[@annklonl5207]

My parents did. Own their kids and take away their toys. And when their kids received gifts from third parties, they'd claim and redistribute them. Money sent to the kids? Kept it for themselves.

[@realhealing7802]

Exactly! That's the problem. Some people believe they own their children. It's slavery.

[@olderwiser64]

The judge/judges who denied the search warrants after repeated calls from school officials, older siblings, and neighbors MUST be held accountable. The threshold for search warrants should be at the lowest level possible when a child’s welfare is at stake. When abuse and/or neglect is suspected, that warrant needs to be issued!! Call out the judge/judges who refused to help these children. Had a warrant been issued when law enforcement was requesting it, the abuse may never have risen to the level that it did. A full audit/review of what went wrong in this case is a must. Because the next time a family is in crisis and children are at risk, they may not make it out in time.

[@katherineweber8955]

I agree. It should be a very low bar fir investigation when child abuse is alleged.

[@elleblue07]

One word: Mormons.

[@yoca78]

Absolutely These judges should pay the consequences of their negligence and flat out incompetence

[@flowerswithpowers]

Judges are scared idiots who are paralyzed by indecision

[@tss9886]

LDS community circling the wagons. That religion is creepy.

[@ewinmn]

It shouldn’t have taken THIS LONG and THIS MANY CALLS to figure this out! What does the system even consider to be abuse?!

[@rebeccagable9629]

Both Ruby & Jodie were protected by a powerful religion IMHO. The LDS Bishops referred Jodie to their congregants.

[@kristinwuori3769]

Unfortunately, emotional abuse is not reportable or actionable. Thankfully, these kids survived this horrific ordeal at the hands of JH, with RF's full knowledge and consent, exposing what emotional abuse looks like for the world to see and recognize. I pray these kids are receiving true love and support and legit counseling.

[@esmeraldagreen1992]

​@rebeccagable9629 Nonsense the LDS church does not tolerate or condone this behavior.

[@esmeraldagreen1992]

​@rebeccagable9629 Why don't you harp on some other offender religion? " this murdered is an evangelic, this pervert is Muslim, this robber is Baptist and this other one is a Baha'i

[@kristinalveylcsw-downtoear5805]

I happen to live about a mile away from where this all happened. I think some of the factors that contributed to lack of action included their religion--St. George area has a high number of Mormons and their is some "protection of our own" dynamics, that neighborhood is one of the wealthiest in this area, and finally , CPS in this area is understaffed and poorly trained and likely didn't look closely enough at the situation. None are excuses but I think likely contributed to lack of action sooner. Such a sad situation all around

[@SaraBlu]

Listening to her makes me feel like in her mind child equals enemy. She is constantly in a fight mode, constantly looking for failure or imperfections to correct.

[@productamadeus8745]

Yeah I totally agree. It’s almost as if she sees her own children as the enemy. Or at least an animalistic approach.

[@hotfudgecake]

She sees her children as manipulative , vindictive, or intentionally acting out just to cause HER stress..... when in reality they.are.just.children

[@vladimirofsvalbard9477]

Exactly! She's been in fight or flight mode her entire life and refuses to acknowledge fault. This is how narcissists are made.

[@Iquey]

In evangelical Christianity and some Mormon communities, they are taught children's nature is satanic unless parents train it out of them, because children are the closest to how animals behave in human form until they learn to be "civilized" and so strict Christian parents punish their kids for acting natural or animalistic at all. So wanting extra food, wanting privacy, wanting to run free, play in the dirt, make messes, experiment with boundaries, become interested in sexuality as they get older.. All natural human things that other mammals share traits for, considered "sinful".

[@birgip.m.1236]

​@@productamadeus8745From what I've seen in the animal world, mother's will do ANYTHING to feed & protect their babies. This woman was clearly detached & seemed to despise her children & motherhood. She has ZERO EMPATHY-COMPASSION & LOVE. My guess is that she too was deprived in her upbringing & pushed for the facade of perfection & to keep up warped appearances & had lots of support for her ways. Detached & distorted.

[@69SalterStreet]

14:03 the girls taking care of each other while their mom gloats about bullying them is so indicative of the dynamic in that hell house.

[@birgip.m.1236]

The sisters woke up their 3 year old and mommie dearest "dragged her out"

[@astrinymris9953]

It was very clear in the "too cute to yell at" segment that Eve had been coached to say this to make Ruby look less cold and unfeeling than she actually is. Note Eve's repeated, "Is that right?" questions to Ruby. The poor little girl was anxious about incurring her mother's wrath by flubbing her lines.

[@Amber-yq9ee]

OMG that's the EXACT same thing I was thinking watching that clip! Her words after Eve said "& u yelled at me." & the Mom shut the door & laughed & said "No. There's no yelling, right?" & She was playing it up to the camera like she was being sarcastic & relatable. BUT the reaction it triggered in Eve really really gave the impression of a well-rehearsed skit! She launched into it & it didn't feel genuine completely. & Then when she prompted her a cpl Xs w\the "is that right?" & Eve KNEW what she was supposed to say but after hesitating longer & getting another nudge, she went off script a little & said "Well u yell sometimes." & She looked at Eve & then Eve continued w\the response she was supposed to be giving. Poor little sweetheart!

[@GaiaCarney]

Poor child 🥺

[@aboutfeddy]

That truly hurt. That poor baby.

[@bcgrote]

This woman reminds me so much of my own mother. All 5 of these points, and more. 45 years later I'm still working to heal.

[@MagnoliaPantherWoman]

Same. Hugs.

[@heidiw5893]

Me too, this woman exposed herself, my mother was covert

[@kameliyaoppal]

Omg i grew up watching their channel and Ruby was my idol. After her arrest my questioning quite literally everything

[@kameliyaoppal]

Omg i grew up watching their channel and Ruby was my idol. After her arrest my questioning quite literally everything

[@kameliyaoppal]

@Lexigray530your mom is most likely a narcissist. Typical narcissistic behavior.

[@teenindustry]

Hope she reflects humbly on the lack of privacy in jail.

[@phoenixrising1675]

The truest example of what “karma” really means is happening now- she always preached how important it is that your kids are uncomfortable- well Ruby- now you get to feel what being very uncomfortable is. It just makes me smile!

[@53mandevilla]

HEY, ME TOO … LOL. SHES A MONSTER! 😮😮😮

[@loralieisa]

@@53mandevilla Ruby always smiled when tormenting her children. She is an embarrassment to humanity. Glad she finally got caught.

[@sarahrosen4985]

Think of the money we could raise for her children's therapy if there was pay-per-view of every second of her life in prison.

[@margaretburr7975]

Shari does have custody of them.

[@garlicgalore]

Once when a friend's young daughter forgot her lunch this friend rushed over to the school with it. She asked her daughter, "Was it hard to concentrate in class when you didn't have your lunch?" Her daughter said, "No, I knew you'd make sure I had something to eat." I always loved this story of a secure little girl who could learn without anxiety because she trusted her mom was taking care of her. Just thought of this when the lunch storey popped up.

[@breastsleepingmuse9446]

🍊🍊🍊

[@Jamochamooch]

The Father should be in prison, too!! He allowed the abuse and even Participated! I don’t understand how he’s not being investigated.

[@kms4829]

Ikr it’s sad

[@rukiddinbro]

During the interrogation, when he was told his children are in horrible condition, he cried... for his wife! All he cared was that he doesn't want her to get in trouble. This whole case is surreal.

[@rebekahcogbill9832]

Being home schooled from abusive parent gives the children no escape. That’s why I was glad I got to go to school when I was growing up.

[@tindrabeam5922]

They were not homeschooled for very long!

[@snicksabea]

That’s why schools need free lunch for all kids.

[@AmeliaOak]

I was homeschooled from 4th to 9th grade and my little sister was homeschooled all the way to high school…yep. There’s no escape and it’s uh. Not fun.

[@mktay2067]

They were in school weren't they?

[@lilsheba1]

Oh yeah me too it gave all the other kids a chance to bully me! YAY!

[@143ForeverYourz]

You can see throughout that the siblings know the mother is crazy and are all trying to help each out in their abusive situation. Literally, her children are raising her children better than she ever could.

[@zxipex123]

“Do you see how loving that is?” - absolutely chilling 😬

[@ms.evegene]

Right! I was like WhAaT?!?!?!?

[@janetklumper6048]

How on earth could Rudy say her three year old son was at fault, disgusting

[@janebarbontin830]

Agree... This woman should rot in jail...

[@vladimirofsvalbard9477]

@@janebarbontin830 Correction* should rot in hell.

[@SelenicJuls]

Her daughter know how ridiculous it is to expect a 3 year old to wake up on time! “she can’t control when she wakes up”-daughter. “obviously she can because she’s up this morning”-ruby. “no I woke her up”-daughter

[@mizlialia1476]

I'm 43 and I need an alarm clock to wake me up duh! 😂

[@icantthinkofascreenname3064]

I’m 30 and set a minimum of 10 alarms to make sure I wake up on time.

[@chilicircus26]

Yes and since she's 3 she probably has no idea how to set an alarm

[@CosmicCourtOfLaw]

Children that young don’t even have a concept of time!

[@atticusandwinifred3274]

In Jr high and high school, I had an alarm that I set but even then, I sometimes didn’t wake up and my parents had to drag me out of bed.

[@robindestasio7563]

Ruby expected her 3 year old to pack her own lunch??? Her attitude about the eating disorder, it's all about control with her, she has to control everyone around her. She has no empathy for others, she's awful.

[@shayshaymann113]

2:21 this judge that denied LE access to the home to search should be FIRED and held accountable!!

[@rebeccagable9629]

Exactly!!

[@cargopilotguy305]

Do you know what evidence was presented to the judge? Do you care at all about parental rights? The 4th amendment? People like you are going to unwittingly create a totalitarian state purely because the idyllic utopia in your head makes you feel good. Reality be damned

[@naturallaw52]

Wait until the women in prison find out what she's done.

[@jacoblantom]

Crimes against children go down the same in women's prisons too?

[@jaime9353]

@@jacoblantomyep…many people who end up in jail had 💩 childhoods and abusive childhoods. They don’t take kindly to child abuse of any kind.

[@rebekahcogbill9832]

Yep! Child abusers have it rough in prison. They probably would have to live in solitary for there protection.

[@lakanron640]

@@jacoblantom, even worse! Because the butch lesbians grew up with abusive parents who didn't accept them.

[@mamajoe1239]

Well she will be someone’s girlfriend and this time it’s not Jodie .

[@jordanzart9081]

7:56 "Do you see how loving that is?" Woman...I can't even.

[@hannahsnesil3555]

This is the most organized and concise video I've seen on Ruby and 8 Passengers. And it's coming from a licensed professional! 🎉 Thank you Kati!

[@42Ccastro]

Her husband being on her side is questionable, it makes him look bad I hope he doesn't get custody of the kids.

[@jedimindtrick-pi8xe]

He's 💯 complicit and as much a monster as Ruby. A normal person would have left her and protected their children Birds of a feather as they say.

[@vickytaylor9155]

Kevin is just as guilty. He may not have committed physical harm to his kids himself, but emotionally he is just as guilty, and he should have demanded to see his kids when he and Ruby split. Also, where did Ruby learn her behaviour, because she was guilty of neglect and causing harm to her kids in my view well before now. Also, her sisters have spoken out, but the brother has kept quiet as has her parents.

[@candaceewell9582]

He totally is culpable! He said she didn't want him around the kids to SAVE his marriage and relationship with them? In what brain does that make sense?!

[@harleyquinn5774]

He’s probably trying to avoid the massive rage and retaliation response she could unleash if he stands up to her.

[@Amanda-cn3pk]

I too believe he was complicit. He likely kept quite because Ruby and Hilderbeast had dirt on him that he didn't want exposed. He had seen what she was capable of doing to others that crossed her.

[@lieseljones2216]

I noticed a lot of smiling and laughing whenever she talked about punishments and pain, teaching her kids that punishment and pain of others is a fun game.

[@edwardroy3401]

Ruby was obsessed with obedience and punishment when it came to her kids. It's because she basically hated them...

[@delphi2475]

Seems to me the older sister was being the mother to her younger siblings. Brilliant video, eye opening, thanks 👍

[@jenni4claire]

They often do, in big families.

[@BevChoy]

This really upsets me. Although I’ve never had my bed taken from me, I did not have a right to privacy. Bad grades were a failure of ‘working hard enough’ and I was severely punished for it. Food was controlled. I was not a daughter, I was a lodger. Watching this made me realize just how traumatic my life with my mother was.

[@Good-DaySunshine]

😕💖

[@MishaMishaSoprano]

I'm so sorry you were not protected.

[@thestraggletag2616]

❤

[@heatherrr016]

I was a tenant 😂😅 why do these toxic woman have kids….

[@rheinhartsilvento2576]

I'm glad you're now safe in order to be able to go further in healing from the CPTSD from your abusive family system.

[@OurLittleGreenHouse]

Expecting a THREE year old to be responsible to wake herself up, get ready for preschool on her own, AND pack her own lunch??!! My heart is broken for these poor children.

[@Zarastro54]

So Ruby somehow simultaneously had absolute dictatorial control over everything her kids did and had access to in the house but ALSO her 3 y/o son got access pron and was able to molest several different children before he even reached puberty? Make it make sense Ruby! Oh wait, she can’t because she’s *LYING* about her kid to save her own miserable hide.

[@TheSuzberry]

A 3-year-old child is not capable of molestation.

[@ThatGirlJD]

​@@TheSuzberryThey are capable of inappropriate behavior that is traumatic to other children. When that behavior is noticed, therapy should be started and an investigation to find out where they learned the behavior. They can molest other children, but it is usually a learned behavior that means they were molested.

[@misslora3896]

This came from Jodi's "therapy". She did pretty much all the same things and made the same type of accusations against her niece Jessi 14 yrs ago. She's got this weird fixation on accusing husbands and children of innapropriate sexual behavior. She believes she receives revelations from god in her dreams and tells her "patients" this is what god showed her and because of that, it can't be argued. She's split up numerous married couples that were referred to her by their bishop's for therapy. And I doubt that her niece and Ruby's children were the only minors she's abused in this way. She told her niece the point was to make her life so uncomfortable that she would confess all of her sins and once she did it would stop, but when her niece would make the false confessions, Jodi would just move the goal posts. There's so many people now coming out revealing Jodi's beliefs and methods. They couldn't before, because Jodi would go after and completely destroy the lives of anyone who spoke out against her. The woman's beliefs are so messed up, part of her Connexions literature states that being physically attracted to your spouse is LUST. And she's 100% convinced of her own BS. She's said to have this knack of combining church doctrine with her own screwed up beliefs to brainwash her clients, primarily wives and mothers of it. I'm certain that Jodi has Ruby 100% believing that her son did these things. But that's not to say that Ruby isn't responsible as well. If you haven't heard her niece Jessi Hildebrandt's interview on the Mormon Stories YT channel from last week, check it out, it's shocking, but incredibly insightful. I've never had the patience to listen to a 3 hr podcast before, but this one had my full attention all the way through.

[@fabigrossi2976]

If you know more about Jodi it's clear at once that this talk comes from her. Jodi has a pattern of separating men from their families, claims it's necessary to heal the relationship between the couple, she always claims the men are addicts to pron, mast*rbation and the like and when you listen to the interview of Jodi's niece, who had to go through Jodi's "treatment" as Ruby's little kids you not only see a pattern, but more red flags than anyone could count. Jodi is deeply disturbed person, her problems are more than obvious when you put everything together. And in Ruby she found a willing victim/buddy in crime.

[@Zarastro54]

@@misslora3896 I bet Jodi is projecting her own heavily repressed sexual urges onto her victims.

[@melissab3217]

She sees her kids as bodies to sculpt to her exact specifications, not as people. She infuriates me.

[@anayarey]

How awful when she threatened to cut the plushy! What a freaking monster. I hope the children heal from what they've been through.

[@SheenaBerry-g5c]

I honestly could see myself telling my baby that if she kept cutting holes in stuff.. I also think I would have broken when and if she started to cry. I would've never thought that I was being harsh.

[@Iquey]

Seeing the older kids smiling on camera while the mom lectures how she's going to punish them feels so much like a hostage situation. They have to act strong (because they know they'll be punished if they don't keep up the facade) but their eyes are sad.

[@PatriciaDebrow]

Has she never heard, "children learn what they live?" If they are condemned they learn to condemn! This is ludicrous parenting and sadistic! She gets off on hurting her kids! I pray the court system shows her the justice that she deserves!

[@tiger.wolf.2033]

She blames the poor boy of everything. That child is broken now, he needs healing and I don't want that "father" around the boy. I fear for the well-being of that child. May God protect him from this evil family!

[@cacadores3955]

Did you notice she said, "Tell them how mommy never yells at you", after saying "I will not be lied to".

[@linneab8317]

I don’t follow these blogs or reality shows, but I became aware of the horrific dysfunction found in the Franke family. Ruby Franke looked so creepy and her children resembled hostages. I’m glad they were rescued and I believe justice was served in the conviction of Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt.

[@ManL02]

Did she also expect them to change their own diapers?? My heart broke seeing her daughter so upset when she threatened to cut her toy. And telling her daughter she stinks with a foul face, like shaming her, when it's her own fault.

[@dunbarnoon9872]

Threatening to decapitate a child's toy is deeply traumatizing for a child - how could a parent not know that?- but to do it on video and publish it for YT clout is PSYCHOTIC

[@moniquedelaney7958]

Poor excuse for a mother .

[@moniquedelaney7958]

@@pinkmama6077 please ! “ How would you feel if I were to cut your precious things with scissors? “ would be the right thing to say , not using the sadistic tactics so typical of this sick woman . Are you as sadistic as Ruby Franke ?

[@dunbarnoon9872]

@@pinkmama6077 "Asking"? That was a violent threat.

[@darlenemateri6521]

​@@pinkmama6077, That's not normal parental behavior. You don't threaten a child. You can teach her compassion for others possessions in a manner that a toddler would understand.

[@maryadair5697]

A 3 yr old waking herself up is insane. Wth was she thinking. 🤦🤦 My 12 yr old doesn't get up unless I get her up with a kiss Good Morning.

[@daniels7862]

I was 16 and my mom still woke me up , fed me, and got me to school. Obviously people like this are insane. Now I’m 24 and I have an amazing relationship with my mother. We’re best friends honestly. She always treated me with immense love. At the end of the day that’s all what matters. She did lay the law down at times like when I was 15 and got drunk and high at a party and came home at 3:00am. But she explained the consequences, they were more than reasonable, and explained how scared and fearful she was for me, and how much she loved me. That’s all it took for me to never do it again.

[@justkiddin84]

@@daniels7862give your mom a hug from me! That’s how it should be done.

[@hufthoch4812]

My dad made sure my adult boyfriend got up in the morning when he lived at my chilhood home for two weeks for Job training.

[@Autumn-xs1bt]

My mom still has to wake me up sometimes and I'm 18, it's sickening to see a this. Until I was well in my teenage years I didn't even know it was possible that a mother won't come singing in the morning to wake you up

[@HeejinHan-j8q]

Imagine how terrifying it was for the children to ask for safety when they watched so many people on the internet validating their abusive parents.

[@BroonParker]

Nicely done. This is also partly about the issue of certain influencers becoming financially incentivised to engage in these behaviours and exploit their children or others. Thanks for being one of the saner voices in this potentially toxic place.

[@dietdrpepper15]

You can tell, for whatever reason, she ENJOYED coming up with things to be upset about and inventing new punishments.

[@dxblover444]

The constant need for drama and uneasy surroundings

[@margaretburr7975]

And saying her daughter chose to not eat!!!

[@NYCHFAN]

One of my goals as a parent was to have kids that did well because they wanted to, not because they were afraid.

[@Amysbiblereads]

I grew up in a house like this. I now have 5 children who have their own space, we’re open but also respectful. I have anxiety / depression and I KNOW it was due to my childhood.

[@SusieQ78]

Wow Kati, thank you so much for bringing light to these signs. It happens so much and the fact that this was so apparent to the public and it took this far to have those kids removed is sad and just to imagine how many kids are living these traumatic lives and no one knows. It makes my heart hurt.

[@lc4life369]

People knew and tried to get help. Even the police failed at getting a search warrent to help them. But they tried.

[@susanhiggs6873]

Lack of reproductive freedom's is only going to make abuse worse. Kids born with birth defects, lack of health care, unfulfilled lives, and domestic abuse on women and children. I don't want my son to have any children.

[@AngelaVEdwards]

I’m not a parent but I absolutely cannot understand how anyone can do these things to children. Seeing a skinny young boy with duct tape around his wrists and legs horrifies me.

[@deadset8091]

What an Evil, controlling and exploitative person. What becomes of the children I wonder.

[@bonniejosavland3227]

Dad has them😳 & he hasn’t been investigated😮

[@louwinters508]

​@@bonniejosavland3227he does not have them. They are in state care.

[@hotfudgecake]

The oldest daughter that you see in the clip taking care of the little one has moved out on her own

[@margaretburr7975]

​@@hotfudgecakeshe now has custody of them!!!

[@TonyEmond]

Of everything I've seen from 8 passengers it seems pretty clear that in Ruby's mind her kids aren't even people -- they're burdens to her. All the communications between her and the children is one way, from Ruby to [child]. The way she describes the house -- it's HER space. Your young child is hungry at school? It really doesn't matter, the only problem at hand is the teacher's discomfort, and Ruby's not about to interrupt her day for that petty concern! The word "narcissist" immediately springs to mind.

[@dunbarnoon9872]

The teacher's discomfort is because (1) She cares about the kid that is hungry (2) A hungry kid will be upset and learn nothing, how can the teacher do her job? Ruby at this point has no empathy for her own child and no empathy for the teacher either who is 'in loco parentis'

[@aboutfeddy]

That's exactly how it looks and I can't explain why she had them in the first place.

[@Nocturnalux]

And she could have taken lunch to her daughter. She had time to make the video, and it’s not as if she was working on something that could not be postponed- say, brain surgery.

[@suzanneiu7269]

This women said exactly what I had experienced as a child growing up and still at 53 yrs old, still struggling….

[@someonewhosdead4634]

Let's not forget that not only did she get away with abusing her kids in the public eye for years, she made alot of money from it as well. Every penny she made off of exploiting her kids should be given to them, like the court should force her to directly hand over the money to the oldest child to be split amongst the other siblings. She'd probably go absolutely crazy and be put in a padded cell for the rest of her miserable life.

[@kellizafer9828]

I'm happy that at least the daughter knew that her 3 year old sister wouldn't be able to get herself up. How can the mom not know that?

[@rebeccagable9629]

Mom is a sadist & from seeing her gleeful smile & laugh, really enjoyed hurting her kids. And the children, being raised this way, most likely thought her abuse was "normal".This abuse was probably generational, I would think.

[@iLoveTheBamx]

​@@rebeccagable9629this. This is usually the case.

[@astrinymris9953]

Especially given that Eve apparently didn't even have an alarm clock, something that most adults need to wake up on time! Also, if a three-year-old is so hard to rouse in the morning that's on the parents! Maybe Eve needs an earlier bedtime, or an afternoon nap to make sure she's getting enough sleep, or maybe she's unusually fatigued because she's not getting the nutrition she needs. Or she might have another physical problem that needs addressing, like sleep apnea or pinworm infection. But Ruby doesn't seem to think that she has any parental responsibilities beyond giving orders and inflicting punishment on her kids for not living up to those usually unfair orders. Ruby has no clue what developmentally appropriate expectations are, and no desire to learn them, either.

[@hotfudgecake]

She probably the type to get mad at and abuse a literal baby for crying. Woman needs lessons in childhood development , and she obv has no intuition

[@rnbsteenstar]

Because the three year old was not supposed to be a human.

[@dbuglove537]

I really like listening to you talk. I'm a grandmother now but I never stop learning. There are so many things that I do with my grandchildren that I wish I had done with my own kids. However, my kids turned out pretty great! Thank you for what you're doing!

[@notbornagainbornright5046]

The 911 caller uses great language. Emaciated, detained, wounds, that don't further traumatize the child

[@jscire__872]

Cults to Consciousness, Mormon Stories Podcast and Jordan and McKay channels have had excellent and insightful videos about this horrific case. Very happy you are covering this too.

[@michellem4287]

My father made me clean the shower and toilet every time I used it because I was "dirty" and a "whore". I was 8. When I got out of a month long coma after getting TSS at 12 years old, my father called to ask me why his insurance should pay the hospital because I "couldn't keep myself clean." When I was in college I got a kidney infection. He refused to pay my Dr. bills saying I should "get the money from the teachers you're sleeping with." He died in my early 20's and I have never missed him. He used a lot of these tactics. Narcissistic alcoholics should be banned from parenthood.

[@dxblover444]

😢😢😢😢😢💔💔💔

[@jupiterscorner5423]

Omg im so sprry hugs😢

[@mssusanmarie]

@michellem4287 - You grew up in a horror movie. I am so sorry. You are a miracle, and so correct about how some people should be banned from parenthood. I wish you all good things, and great happiness all the rest of your days.

[@TheAmtwhite]

I’m truly sorry that happened to you :(

[@pennyelliott3732]

I can't tell you how triggered I am by your post. When I was 8 my alcoholic father threw me down the main flight of (stone) steps at my house after stripping my towel off me to spank my bottom because I hadn't scrubbed the shower and had left a puddle on the bathroom floor upon leaving the shower. I'm so sorry to hear about your traumas; I wish you healing ❤😢😢

[@oshifish2]

The way she manically laughed when she said ohh we do not do this or that in this house! She was lying herself. Then when her son " went off script" and said he has been sleeping on a bean bag for months she laughed nervously! You wont get the privlageeeee of dinner??? True psycho! I hope they throw the book at the parents and that Jodi psycho too!

[@IssaRaeOf10S]

So people actually followed this woman and never called out her abuse?! This is blatant and terrifying. Our society is soulless and doesn't know right from wrong anymore

[@awkwardemily15]

I also haven't heard of this YT family and I wonder how many people posted comments on their videos stating their concerns. I'm sure it's possible for the KZbinr to delete comments they don't like. I don't know enough about the law when it comes to reporting something that is posted online. I'd like to think at least one viewer tried reporting this. And it's also possible there are viewers who agree with this way of parenting, especially if it's what they were used to as a child. Vicious cycles!

[@Yikkoofficial]

They did call it out. I remember people making video pleading there was abuse and nobody listened

[@brookels66]

THIS. Our country is sick. Just look at Trump&the insurrection. We need to all come together as humans.

[@kristalsea]

CPS was contacted. They did an investigation and nothing happened

[@IssaRaeOf10S]

@@Yikkoofficial oh wow thanks for clearing that up. It breaks my heart to think this was being normalized online, but people did try to stand up against it 🙏🏽

[@lillythecoolone3120]

I wonder what happened in Ruby's life that made her feel like she had to parent like this

[@DembaiVT]

Probably nothing. Narcs tend to develop in a family where there is abuse happening to someone else. They see the bullying and discover they won't be punished for participation in it. They don't recieve any positive reinforcement, which results in a net negative of their self esteem. They quietly recognise that they could be the victim, and as such, get it into their head that they must be very special or powerful or chosen. And they learn thay blaming the victim of abuse for their own failings will result in the victim being hurt. By the time they are old enough to theoretically know right from wrong, they see it as a black and white dichotomy. Those who understand that they are special and perfect and should be feared and respected...and enemies, who is anyone who ever disagrees with them. So in essence, they have a type of trauma but it's especially hard to deal with because so long as they have ANYONE to blame for their behavior, they're very prone to continue to see themselves as a victim of the enemies who don't understand how perfect they are.

[@looloo2394]

Every time I hear that clip about her looking at her child in disgust after she peed herself it’s like a punch to the gut. There really isn’t anything more innocent than a young child and the fact that all of them went through toddlerhood being treated like that and not understanding why is horrific to me. The abuse that’s followed is obviously awful.. but just the thought of 1/2/3/4/5 year olds looking to her for love and care and being met with that and still not understanding… nah. I’m just glad they at least had each other once they realised they weren’t gonna get anything good from their parents.

[@rebeccagable9629]

Have you seen the clip of Russell when he was quite young, forgetting he left his socks outside on the lawn. She told him to "drop" & give her 10 push-ups, like an army sergeant! Horrible.

[@CosmicCourtOfLaw]

Actually, non-human animals are the most innocent beings here.

[@moniquedelaney7958]

A despicable mother

[@Abril-1234]

Yeah it’s hard being an only child in a toxic household

[@jd-hs5lj]

They way they were almost definitely peeing themselves because of the stressful living environment too

[@leeannschaffer1433]

Thank you SO VERY MUCH for making this video. Normalizing ANY of this behavior creates confusion and opens the door to abuse inside a person's mind as well as that of any observer.❤😊❤Thank you.

[@annmuse5718]

This is the most useful video I have ever seen on abusive parenting. It is easy to be blindsighted as an adult, when you have experienced some of these methods as a child. Seeing these behaviors, while you explain what is happening and how they are abusive, is very eye-opening. Please make more of this kind of video. Extremely informative and important way to combat abuse and promote healing of the abused. ❤

[@Butterfly_486]

To me this is a perfect look into the mind of a narcissistic parent. It's clarifying for me, because I've experienced something similar. The things Ruby says are literally the things my parents said to me.

[@Butterfly_486]

@@rebeccagable9629 thanks ❤️

[@mowglycdb]

she even sounds like a psychopath.

[@moniquedelaney7958]

❤❤

[@Butterfly_486]

@@moniquedelaney7958 ❤️

[@leonamccormick3950]

Same 😢

[@bg9509]

I was so disgusted by all of this! And I can’t get over the fact she emphasized over and over how the house was was “hers and only hers”. Poor kids, that was their house too!😢

[@beckylongstocking]

holy shit I lived through all of these. not the same circumstances and experiences, but literally all five. no wonder I struggle so much now. I hope these kids can find the support and love and peace they so very much deserve. thank you for making this video. it’s incredibly important.

[@CrunchyCrumblesASMR]

Let children be children. She does NOT know what a mothers job is and this makes my heart so sad.

[@tracie3]

Ugh! I have a son that’s a Senior in High School and I still wake him up for school, make him breakfast, make him lunch, do his laundry, help him any time he needs it! He is very independent, can do it all on his own if needed, straight A student, kind, loving, etc! I actually enjoy doing those things for my child and will continue as long as I chose! I dread the day that I am not doing those things anymore.. He will be moving out and on one day and I want to soak it all up as long as I can! I can’t believe she got away with the stuff she did for so long!

[@feanorian21maglor38]

Same here. Maybe all the kids are a wee bit spoilt, but they've turned out lovely, confident AND independent people.

[@marymoran8674]

I'd never heard of 8 Passengers prior to all of this and now that I'm seeing clips, I'm appalled! This woman was giving abusive parrenting advice to others?! It scares me that countless numbers of people are parenting their children the same way! Ugh. I'm so stunned and disgusted by this woman.

[@mustwereallydothis]

Many people boast that their parents "whooped" them, and they turned out just fine. I have yet to have someone I know personally say that to me where I didn't feel the need to bite my tongue... hard. They most certainly were not "fine." They simply didn't understand what actually being 'just fine' looks and feels like.

[@clareshaughnessy2745]

Exactly right. If they actually took a quick peak they would see the lasting effects it’s had on them

[@meeshaa4566]

I completely agree. I have this argument with a friend of mine when I don't "beat" my child when she does something wrong. Yeah, sure buddy, you're just fine with all your depression and anxiety and lack of emotional connection. Drives me insane.

[@clareshaughnessy2745]

@@meeshaa4566 can you even imagine raising a hand to your child?? The very idea is as alien to me as the idea of cutting my own arm off

[@anayarey]

It's so odd. That only happened twice to me as a child and I can't remember why but the memory itself is ingrained in me. Beating children is not only unnecessary but cruel and just pointless. All you do is hurt the child, not only physically but worse emotionally. Nobody needs to be beaten to be a good person.

[@julielyons3899]

Exactly.

[@thesoundofmaria]

So sad - dealing with adults that dealt with trauma in their childhood is so sad and frustrating… hoping they’re able to reparent themselves and get the help and love they deserve.

[@Garycarlyle]

My daughter got all the privacy she wanted and turned out to both be really intelligent and now she has her own beautiful family.

[@TWR1988]

Precisely; privacy is vital for self assurance, provide them with reasonable adult guidance, free agency to learn by experiences, celebrate their accomplishments with them, encourage them to persevere beyond the missteps.

[@annklonl5207]

I grew up in such an environment and am glad that up until now I have never seen a clip from this dreadful, exploitative, neglectful, self-centered mother. I am raging right now and hope she and her husband get what they deserve. Hopefully the children, no matter how old they are, receive therapy to help them overcome their c-ptsd.

[@rebeccagable9629]

I did, too, but in a different closed "theological cultic" group which to this day looks so good on the outside. Taught not to "air your dirty laundry" which allows abuse to go on & on in the group. Ruby & Jodie are 2 sadistic monsters who found each other, while Kevin was there during most of Ruby's abuse & did not protect his kids. Abuse is normal (not with everyone, but many) in these closed groups.

[@thereisnosanctuary6184]

Therapy doesn't make dinner. Your impotent seething does nothing.

[@Renee933]

This woman is obsessed with punishing her children. It’s all she ever focused on. It’s her favorite thing. She loves to trap her children into being punished. She is wicked, evil and narcissistic. I sincerely hope she spends a very long time in prison. I hope she loses all parental rights. I hope Jodi Hildebrand also gets a very long sentence.

[@sebanow]

To see that this behavior was visible to world for years and nothing happened breaks my heart.

[@sallystepp1964]

She does not deserve her children. The mother is a severe mental case. She needs so much help. Her children deserve so much better. So sad.

[@K.G-I.N.F.P.]

Thank you for analyzing this case. Not many experts and professionals critiquing it on KZbin

[@theonejokeking3191]

This is uncomfortable to watch because it’s eerily reminiscent of my childhood, but nothing more overt was done to make it possible to know it was abuse. I was punished severely for having an eating disorder. Literally banished from the home and not allowed to continue training to go professional in ballet for a while. It destroyed my career. I was told that I was being difficult for any relapses that got found out or having emotions and lectured about the bubble theory-which was my parents version of making the world small. Better behavior bigger bubble. As an adult I ended up nearly drinking myself to death and trying to keep peace and connection within the family until I finally realized what was happening. I no longer have a relationship with anyone even though it’s the most important thing in the world to me. My mom basically trashed me to everyone and I refused to accept their ideas that I am the worst and caused everyone’s problems. So no relationship them. My mom told me that since I stopped drinking my behavior has never been worse. She’s fcking crazy.

[@jupiterscorner5423]

Hugs!

[@ClementineShmementine]

I wish we could sue parents who abuse us and do not make up or apologize at any point. The intention was to mess us up.

[@jacquelineglitter4328]

I think they can and also sue that crazy shrink.

[@justkiddin84]

I think you can, depending on the situation and length of time-different by state.

[@OzzyVRrealone]

Shew! I know:(

[@moniquedelaney7958]

100% agree

[@petraljungberg]

Watching this was highly disturbing! Difficult to comprehend how it is possible for a parent to be so abusive to their children, saying they do it in their best interest…Instead damaging them and being everything but a grown up. Really saddens me to watch this.

[@myricalerobinson2032]

Those kids don’t deserve any of this . I hope that they get the help and love that they need, As a psych major, thanks for the informative post.

[@Jamama4]

Thanks for this video Katie. It is so important to understand all the ways abuse can occur. People growing up with these problems will think these are normal ways to interact.

[@yowyo2006]

This is why I am wondering how much control the dad actually had. I grew up with a narcissistic father. My mom had no control over our home...people don't realize how hard it is for others living in that house to do anything against the narc!

[@Danibug727]

I too grew up with a narc father. My Mother did everything she could to provide us with a loving and safe home but there was only so much she could do without facing his wrath. I hope you're getting help and healing from that.

[@-xirx-]

Unfortunately there is a plethora of documented video evidence of him enthusiastically joining in going back years

[@yowyo2006]

@-xirx- this makes me see that you don't understand the control that a narc has over their family. If he didn't do everything she said, she would ruin everything for him. He literally had the choice of participating or being severely punished, typically financially or emotionally, whichever would hurt him most. My father convinced my mom that I was a liar. Nothing I could do changed that until I stood up for myself and started proving him wrong over and over. I was punished, by him, severely for standing up to him and his lies. Most of his family feels I am in the wrong for standing up to him. I have no relationship with him at all now and people can finally see the person I really am. He has only been apart from her for 14 months, it takes years and years to start finding yourself and find who you really are after you escape from their control. He could be at fault but he could have also been so incredibly manipulated that he had no choice but to do whatever she said.

[@yowyo2006]

@daniellekilduff4818 I broke off all connections with him 4 or 5 years ago. I have done quite a bit of healing and figuring out who I am in that time, but I also know it can take years and years to actually heal and figure out life without a narc. Sadly, as children of narcs, we didn't know life "before" so we have to relearn how to live from scratch!

[@JessicaCaldwell-ib2sm]

I think he was slowly isolated. I watched mormon stories podcast where a guy talks about Jodi Hildebrant and how she managed to isolate him from his wife and kids. Ppl whi ask why did he let this happen need to watch this podcast it'll put a lot to light

[@KristaAndersonPhilipps]

She is a cookie cutter image of who my adopted mother is. I love her, but I can never, ever have her in my life. The first time I watched Ruby's Instagram, I said out loud, 'how does nobody else see this?!' She had the same mannerisms that my mom does, it made me feel panic and nasea...so no, I never missed it. People that were never abused by a true BPD narcissist will miss it, but I saw it and felt it instantly.

[@robonou2]

How Degrading to humiliate her son and laughing while she 's degrading him,what a psychopath she is,pure EVIL

[@jcat7553]

Thank you Katie. This really opened my eyes to my upbringing. I had so many new revolutions. Please do more

[@ThePhaeriephox]

Since all the new videos have come out, I re-visited this whole disgusting story of severe child abuse. The fact that it took that long to get these two monsters into prison is unconscionable. I am SO glad Ruby and Jodi are rotting in prison right now. Not sure where the husband is, but he's a big part of this too. 😠

[@kristinaesquivel902]

She looks so put together but so twisted. Keeping up appearances…classic.

[@rebeccagable9629]

"Mommy Dearest" (Joan Crawford), but she was a movie star so people didn't believe the daughter whom she abused.