MA. v Karen Read Trial Day 30

[@Palo_Duro]

Lally presented 8 weeks of nonsense. Defense shot that crap down in flames in 2 days.

[@sarahb2004]

That’s the thing that really stands out to me. Like seriously 8 weeks of drama and heresay vs. 2 days of facts. 🙄

[@silikon2]

His cross of the final witness is probably the most damaging to the CW's case of the whole trial. This is why people sometimes have suspected Lally is actually secretly scuttling the case. So much of his lengthy case seemed to benefit the defense.

[@chicagodoll]

​@@silikon2this. Im also hoping since he also wanted the trial stayed until after the fbi investigation was done, that this is some epic pettiness of "ok, fine, but if youre gonna make me do this, ima show just how incompetent and biased the investigation into KR was." Im probably wrong, but i *try* to give people the benefit of the doubt.

[@jennymarie.]

Lally fried my brain. The entire Canton PD, Mass State PD, etc are all corrupt in my eyes and I feel awful for anyone in the area bc what chance do you stand against anyone if they know the law enforcement there or are law enforcement. I’m still blown away at how sloppy the investigation was into the death of one of their own. 😔

[@sherrythomas3028]

The rumor was going around online, the Defense said they only needed 4 days.

[@alanstewart6474]

I have been a police officer for over 34 years and admittedly pro prosecution in most cases. I am also a senior investigator for fatal accidents. This is the worst investigation i have ever examined. The behaviour of the investigators, evidence handling, scene preservation, witness handling etc were less than professional. I will be amazed, amazed if the jury dont find the defendant not guilty.

[@E-magineMySurprise]

Do you think incompetence is likely? This seems, to me, to go beyond being sloppy or investigating in poor weather conditions.

[@mariee.5912]

​@E-magineMySurprise I don't buy the poor weather conditions story. If the police could not conduct an investigation, they shouldn't work in Massachusetts. It snows every winter, and victims deserve investigation that won't cause doubts on a jury. If the defendant did it or if it was just police incompetence.

[@E-magineMySurprise]

@@mariee.5912 I don't either.

[@alanstewart6474]

@@E-magineMySurprise incompetence is key. I have never hear of releasing a scene and then detailing officers to drive by every day to see if any more evidence presents itself. Thats just redicioulous. I hold a scene until i am satisfied i have everything. And thats just the start of my criticism of the case.

[@E-magineMySurprise]

@@alanstewart6474 I guess I am questioning whether it's incompetence or deliberate/malicious misconduct. It seems that it goes beyond incompetence.

[@wee_Fergus]

Wow dr Rentschler made it all so clear!! Nothing imbedded in wound/arm. No other injuries!

[@agent_ninety9]

I never put it into comments, but that was something that I thought about a long time ago. There's so much information exchanged in this trial, I thought perhaps I missed it being said! I had a visual image of tail light pieces being picked out because the impact would have been so strong! I'm glad it was mentioned and so clearly to the jury. Certainly no genius here. I think it's just logic 101! Glad it was mentioned clearly not only for us but especially for the jury.

[@gabriellejoancollette6880]

Defense hasn’t just given doubt, they’ve proved innocence, in my opinion.

[@MissG85]

Yes, the two independent experts made it clear that no way was John killed by a car, no matter how you position John and imagine the impact. Karen must therefore be innocent. The end.

[@JxArrieta]

Totally 😂 ​@@clairl-TF

[@mushlaam]

Lally literally could not have looked more stupid or incompetent during those crosses

[@darlenewesley7299]

Is there a reason there is no chat? Would that be due to the number of people in the chat? I agree with what you say too.

[@blockhartinabox]

​@@darlenewesley7299I think she's started a new live for jury instructions and this is posted as a video now?

[@LostAndSortaHighVibes]

As a wheelchair user: Thank You Dr. Rentschler!!! As a manual wheelchair user you have no clue how hard it can be to propel yourself when you have certain co-morbid conditions!!

[@NerdDogMom]

“You can’t deny the science and the physics”. Karen Reed is extremely lucky that the there is a Federal investigation. The “second Grand Jury” gave the defense so much evidence including inconsistent statements from the McAlberts, butt dials and rehoming of phones. It also gave two independent experts who gave testimony not only for reasonable doubt but also for innocence.

[@LovetheLed]

An ordinary citizen would not have stood a chance against this CRAP! I wouldn’t have believed it was possible if I hadn’t seen it with my own eyes!! The levels of corruption are staggering! The ME report says manner of death is UNDETermined!! In Texas, the DA has no authority to file charges for a manner of death that is UNDetermined- regardless of the evidence 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤫

[@ParabolH]

Oh, there are plenty of people online who are still denying the physics and science.

[@mushlaam]

The same people who also probably deny the earth is round as well 🙄

[@wee_Fergus]

@@clairl-TFyes! I was thinking what a relief for her and the rest of her life to know, it wasn’t herself ❤

[@wee_Fergus]

@@ParabolHoh my….😮

[@LilTex0825]

Its telling that Lally had access to the two last witnesses to testify but chose not to use them since they didn’t fit his “theory” of the case

[@katiehettinger7857]

I'm so happy that fact was stressed to the jury. 😊

[@beepboop8374]

Pretty common thread isn’t it

[@karenf6174]

I accidentally backed my Jeep up into my Hubby about 15 years ago. He was standing by his work van and I think my flip flops got caught in the accelerator and my Jeep FLEW backwards about 20feet. His work van was parked backwards, with the rear van doors open. Thank GOD he wasn’t right in between the two vehicles as it would have taken his legs off! He was just to the side of the bumpers so the van door clipped him and sent him FLYING all the way to the middle of the street. He was knocked out cold, flat on his back. Ambulance came and took us to the hospital, they suspected a possible hip and/or back injury, luckily none! We went home later that night, he was incredibly sore for about a week. My Jeep was totaled. What he didn’t have was any head injury, and he hit blacktop! It was an awful experience, I felt horrible for it and it could have been so much worse. Something about this case just never sat right with me, hoping Karen is found not guilty and that John’s Family finds peace.

[@AmandaLeigh1004]

Very glad that your husband was not seriously hurt, what a harrowing experience! Thanks for sharing it though, it does give some very interesting information.

[@rchristy5767]

How can the family find peace when noone is investigating what really happened?

[@MLA56]

The Feds are. THIS CASE. from the bottom as far as it goes. The local/ state police, probably the DA's Office, and possibly even to the Judges to see what and who are involved. Why Federal? Because it meets all the criteria for RICO. ​Organized Crime. Continuing Criminal Enterprise.

[@Inaconstantlychangingworld24]

Hi Karen that must have been so scary! I’m glad he was ok. It’s so easy for accidents to happen. Don’t ever wear flip flops driving again. In Australia it’s illegal. We can drive barefoot but not with thongs,

[@beepboop8374]

Thanks for reminding me to slip them off when driving I have been forgetting lately. I usually just drive barefoot and put them back on after

[@AjHooks235]

On replay crew. I'm a biomedical engineer and Dr. Wolfe is making me consider searching for a job in accident reconstruction forensics. Cup Cannon TM

[@Pray4USA]

GO FOR IT!! 👊

[@katiehettinger7857]

Every state in the union needs good specialists. Go for it. 😊👍❤️

[@LexieJay00]

I will say this now and whenever I can, let this be a lesson on why a proper police investigation is crucial EVEN if you think it’s a slam dunk case!! Proctor should never be trusted again! I don’t believe John will ever get justice because of him. Shame on you Proctor.

[@UniquelyMeAlmaLee]

There was a wonderful interview done on another KZbin channel by someone who is not a lawyer but they were able to get a retired Massachusetts state trooper. The retired State trooper mentioned that Proctor is being watched for this very purpose.

[@adamwood619]

In my mind she hit him but the law enforcement investigation that was done was so shotty that Proctor single-handedly screwed this up that she is going to get away with a drunken hit and run with a dash of aggravated assault

[@kldawson53]

​@@adamwood619Sorry, but how can you still believe that after these experts seem to conclusively exclude a vehicle strike as a possible COD? Not trying to be rude. Genuinely curious.

[@delta3244]

​@@adamwood619I'm also curious. The only reason I ever considered 'she hit him' as a possibility with those injuries was because the prosecutor told me he would prove it. It was the same with the defense's allegation of conspiracy/corruption. There was evidence of conspiracy/corruption, but I see virtually zero evidence that this was a vehicle crash. I can believe there was foul play in the investigation based on the evidence, but as far as I can see, the only way to believe there was a collision is blind faith in Lally. What have I missed?

[@farrellanna]

Wolfe is so fun to listen to. He can easily out think the prosecution and it’s a delight.

[@katiehettinger7857]

And...not hard on the eyes, especially that smiles with the dimples. Swoon.😊

[@louem2491]

Crash daddy

[@Trin_and_Tonic]

I think a toddler can easily out think the prosecution...😅

[@farrellanna]

@@Trin_and_Tonic 😂 touché

[@farrellanna]

@@katiehettinger7857 the dimples caught me off guard

[@IncongruityDetected]

The faint, repetitive screaming goat in the background of Dr. R’s cross honestly is a perfect summation of this whole trial

[@lauritamburrino5179]

Love screaming goat

[@laurafix879]

That screaming goat cracks me up every time😂😂😂

[@johnscustomsaws]

I am NO doctor and I am definitely NO expert when it comes to all the cell data... With that said... I have had 43 years to develop common sense and a bullshit-meter. If I was on this jury... the defense would NOT even need to call a single witness/expert or even give a closing argument because this case was OVER after Trooper Paul 💯

[@makeuplayshaa]

I think it was over the first day 😂 they were all acting sus from day 1

[@shaniya_hope]

If you’ve watched this whole trial you’ve probably spent as much time here as Trooper Paul spent taking his little classes so that would make you an expert (at least by the CWs standards)

[@devonull8784]

It was over when Proctor searched the phone for nude photos and texted that up the CoC, it was over when Proctor released the crime scene to the public but then returned the next day to magically find evidence from the vehicle he had previously impounded, it was over when the reversed and re-edited video of the driver-side impounded car was presented but the opposing camera was dark, it was over when the homeowners with the dead body in their yard disappeared their dog, phones and house. It's been over so many times.

[@lizzeltired2155]

They had me at Proctor

[@sarahhakesmusic]

@@makeuplayshaa seriously. Everything after that was just overkill. Nearly every witness created reasonable doubt for me.

[@Jacksonsperfectpirouette]

Lally on day 30 still trying to come up with his case😂😂😂

[@kristinharper2035]

I just actually laughed out loud when I read this 😂

[@shkrjam84]

He needs some arm extensions for that reeeeeeach!

[@Xtinamariee]

Today’s expert witnesses were top notch. The crash daddy’s were awesome, but I so appreciate the experience and knowledge of Dr. Sheridan. I’d love for him and Dr. Russell to give a lecture together 🤓🙌

[@Squeaky_Bean]

I love how much Dr. Wolfe loves his job. 😂😂🥰

[@darlingdeb7010]

Wolfe is smiling when talking about that cannon 😂😂 they had a lot of fun with that one! This is the stuff you show your kids so they can see the possibilities! "This is the type of cool job you can have if you study physics!"

[@Enjoythepour]

My son was infamous for his potato guns. Everyone bought them and they were so cool.

[@katiehettinger7857]

The Cannon is one way to get k8ds interested in hard science. 😅

[@darlingdeb7010]

@Enjoythepour my brother got to make one for his hs physics class. I was so envious 😂. Mine just did a dumb egg drop from the bleachers. If I had known more about the different fields physics led to, I'd have taken a completely different path!

[@bunman3033]

The jurors arent even gunna need a smoke break. NOT GUILTY

[@LexieJay00]

I completely agree 👏🏽 I am still terrified that there’s even one person on that jury that sides with the prosecution. Emily breaks down so much for us, but who knows how the jury is interpreting everything 😰

[@gizzyg5337]

Honestly, you never know. We as people can watch that and say. She's definitely gonna get acquitted. But unfortunately, jurors are unpredictable because they're people

[@Ten-zH120fu]

They'll stay for free lunch tomorrow then gtfo of there!!

[@JamieDoe472]

🫰

[@LostAndSortaHighVibes]

They will probably spend a few hours to a day debating, just to be safe and for respect out of John O'Keefe.

[@face_in_the_crowd]

So the state wants us to believe that this man was struck by a vehicle, spun around, thrown 30 feet and the cocktail glass stayed with him through all of that.

[@cookiealexd123]

Its possible. If he had it in the inside of his elbow whilst he carried his phone for instance.

[@laurenangelo9345]

And his phone too! It’s a miracle

[@AmandaLeigh1004]

@@laurenangelo9345 and if I'm remembering correctly his phone was in pretty good shape, too!

[@delta3244]

​@@cookiealexd123Problem with that is he was spinning in that theory, and if a strike off center of mass caused him to go 30ft, I see no chance that his arm stays bent while spinning. We can lock our muscles in place, but I don't think we can do so with enough force to accelerate the end of the arm to keep up with the spin.

[@beepboop8374]

@@AmandaLeigh1004and underneath his body. Just magically happened to be out of his pocket and hands. Not to the side of his body as though it fell away while he was pirouetting. Just placed under his body.

[@laurenangelo9345]

I failed physics in high school and Dr Rentschler could not have been more clear. Amazing!

[@jaimec3159]

DAMN!!! Dr. Rentchler!!!! What a witness!!!!

[@xosammyj09]

I love how concise and clear Dr. Wolfe was. Such a professional.

[@nastassjaloots4717]

Anybody else fall in love with Dr Wolfe a little bit? The guy is wicked smart, composed, looks like that AND has dimples?! Come on...

[@kayemm1973]

People who love what they do are always compelling. A few of the defence witnesses showed this.

[@carliesmith3252]

I’m on replay. I ❤ Dr Sheridan. Might be the Irish link but man what a wonderful man

[@carliesmith3252]

And he hasn’t even got his experience out yet! 🇮🇪

[@kayemm1973]

Both Dr Sheridan and Dr Russell have made me feel extremely lazy about my career choices. They are amazing.

[@jlkitz1775]

Lally's "expert" witnesses were a joke 😅. Ugh, the second-hand embarrassment for him is REAL 😖🙃

[@alyrica0505]

This is so frustrating. Reconstructionists: "The damage is inconsistent with a car/pedestrian collision." Lally: "Are you aware that multiple witnesses heard the defendant say 'I hit him,I hit him, I hit him'" This is a debate I have had with several commentors on various videos because many people seem to believe that the investgation stops at a confession. As if historically there isn't a countless number of cases involving false confessions. I just don't understand people discounting evidence and scientific data over eyewitness testimony of a "confession". Not to mention the lack of investigation by LE. It feels like the CW is trying to either gaslight the public or they are lacking in common sense and should rethink their careers. I spend so much time trying to understand what the CW expected to achieve with this case because it is hard to imagine they didn't realize that almost everyone involved look really bad. Best case they seem lazy or intellectually challenged. Worst case they look corrupt.

[@mariee.5912]

I know. The jury might be thinking the same thing.

[@jeanmariesmith1224]

Also the witnesses the CW presented were not credible.

[@capric0rpse]

I am so nervous for Karen but I believe the jury will make the right call. There’s far too much reasonable doubt to say she is guilty.

[@katiehettinger7857]

Your right, but I understand being nervous for her. You can never tell what will go on in the juryroom. Also, they didn't hear all the stuff we did outside of court.

[@silviacarolinalangowski8442]

Me too! I hope they see all that we see! Is in my opinion innocent!🙏🏽

[@debbyharris8384]

I love these expert witnesses! So thorough and know their testimony without any need to look at a report and absolutely know their STUFF!

[@SamaraCee]

What I find most aggravating about Lally and the CWs witnesses is that they don’t even know that they don’t know anything. They double down and I bet they aren’t even embarrassed or aware of how embarrassing or stupid they look.

[@avp6730]

I'm also convinced that they don't even understand what the real experts are saying and are just thinking " man, why is everybody so impressed it's all just mumbo-jumbo"!

[@ruprect8858]

They will save them time and money on the easy ones, it was out of their expertise and they knew it.

[@bdylan225]

It's the dunning-Kruger effect!

[@sparkyroots369]

Yes there's a lot of things that could have happened here. What pisses me off is that the people who DO KNOW something, even if it isnt the whole of it, are withholding that information whilst simultaneously buttering up John O'Keefe's family. WHEN will his relatives part ways with this gang?? Would a 'not guilty' of the non DUI charges be enough to get them to think differently?

[@MLA56]

They'll have the eye-opening revelation that their own circle murdered him and faked the entire thing. Which is a difficult thing for people to grasp HOW BADLY they've been betrayed and lied-to by the actual perpetrators.

[@SummerSky786]

Okeefe family wants to blame Karen they don’t want the truth. Sad, I mean the dirty looks Paul gave Karen for 8 weeks tells all.

[@Natalie32star]

So true! I felt sympathy for him but now i think they are acting so ignorant. Anyone with common sense would know she did not commit this crime!!!!!! It literally angers me that he can be this “stupid”!

[@JennyLouLou]

Oh I think they want it. I just believe they're not able to reach the truth because they've been so gaslit by the McAlbert families and others in Canton. I imagine its impossible for them to wrap their heads around the possibilities.

[@NerdDogMom]

Today was the first day the family heard testimony from the independent crash reconstructionists. I feel extremely bad for them.

[@LovetheLed]

It is impossible for the family to have ZERO doubts at this point. They have to be devastated 😢

[@lindawade4ok639]

It appears John's family doesn't actually want the truth because it's not tidy, just easier to blame the girlfriend who they may not have liked in the first place

[@EmilyLZ25]

I gotta believe the prosecution thought KR was going to settle and she didn’t… Then they added more charges and she STILL didn’t take a plea deal. She is lucky to have the time and money to take this to court with a talented defense team and I think it’s really important that she did. It highlighted all the inept cops, investigators, prosecutors, and forensic team that Canton used. It could help other innocent people in the future.

[@katiehettinger7857]

Her parents mortgaged their home to fund her defense.

[@Pray4USA]

@@katiehettinger7857I can’t imagine the cost. I wonder if the state has to pick it up…

[@steved8563]

The forensic team that Canton used were the neighbors with Stop & Shop bag and Red solo cups.... Very high tech....

[@EmilyLZ25]

@@katiehettinger7857 I didn’t know that but I would too if my daughter was charged with this messed up of an investigation. No matter what, imo it has shown us Canton has some crooked cops.

[@kasiecastleberry]

Wow..... I'm a lifetime member at this point. Never listened to a live trial, until this one. Also a 90's bb. Love you EDB. You the realist. Joining.

[@jackeeB]

I don't know who pisses me off more🤔 Proctor, Lally, or Paul😤 I'm so happy this trial was televised so the world can see the complete incompetence of people that can easily steal your freedom.

[@cmhowson50]

I have only been able to watch here and there, but caught that Dr.'s testimony today. WOW! Based on what I heard from him, NOT GUILTY!!! He was an awesome witness for the Defense. Game over!

[@TruthInBeauty]

I came in to this as someone who is very skeptical of conspiracy theories and as such found the idea of a pedestrian hot by am angry girlfriend to be likely. After watching all of this trial I could not find her guilty. I don't know what happened...which is just sad.

[@karinaz8756]

Maybe it was those disgusting text messages. I never believed she was guilty . The prosecution is never gonna to get passed the house not being searched. It’s absolutely ludicrous. They also can’t recreate the car accident. So sorry, John didn’t fly through the air holding a glass and a cellphone. “It just did “- that quote from a so called expert will stay with me forever.

[@cookiealexd123]

​@karinaz8756 what I'm getting from your comment is that you are also biased so ....

[@simmstac]

If they find her guilty I will lose all hope for our justice system

[@LittlebitTX]

Same

[@Pray4USA]

Won’t happen.

[@MC-cyh]

Dr. Wolfe immediately showing his inner child when asked about the air cannon he used and his entire face living it!!!

[@TM-ly9gy]

Imo, Lally makes things worse because It seems like he isn't really listening what the witnesses are saying.

[@fazzolarijames]

Dr Andrew Rentschler is the best expert witness I’ve ever seen

[@michellebauman8067]

Trooper Paul’s report was a waste of paper

[@suzinaccache]

Remember he took a math class 😂

[@nopenheimer]

So was his birth certificate.

[@mariee.5912]

And neurons.

[@katiehettinger7857]

​@@mariee.5912Trooper Paul would need two neurons to make synapse. 😏

[@stephanietexas1325]

After watching the whole trial, I want to know how many other ppl have been falsely charged or convicted and how many bodies have turned up on lawns or in trunks of cars or otherwise

[@fionarobertson9308]

I wanted to mention 2 things: 1. First expert who built the glass-yeeting cannon said that the force required to mimic the damage to the taillight plastic ALSO caused damage to the bits inside the plastic as well. AFAIK, there was no damage to KR's taillight beyond the plastic cover. 2. The brain "swelling" that's talked about isn't brain inflammation. It's to do with blood being released from vessels inside the brain or adjacent to the brain tissue. The brain tissue volume doesn't in itself change so much as blood within the brain tissue starts to take up space and the skull is an enclosed vessel. As blood continues to be pumped to the brain from the heart the volume of blood in the brain tissue, and thus the enclosed skull, increases and the intracranial pressure increases.That pressure begins to squeeze the brain tissue, crush it in effect, plus it can displace it, eg with a bleed on the right, the brain is shifted left and pressed against the left side of the skull. When it's severe enough, the brain tissue is eventually forced out of the bottom of the skull into the brain stem and top of the spine, called herniation or "coning". That's what happened to JOK according to the ME

[@esk2g]

Someone googled!

[@fionarobertson9308]

@@esk2g Spent some time in a medical setting, involved a lot of pathology.

[@lizzeltired2155]

Yes uncal herniation

[@katiehettinger7857]

My sister, who has a PhD in Neurobiology, found John's eyeseyes swelling at two different times, and the tated up CW brain specialists disjointed explanation of the damage to his head not plausible.

[@kah89]

With this type of brain injury, he would’ve died regardless of being left in the snow.

[@KDcat7]

Jackson - say something intelligent Lally- objection Judge- sustained🤪 Lally- say whatever crap I want Judge- I’ll allow it

[@oliviaguercioni8412]

I noticed that she did that alot this trial!

[@LovetheLed]

Perfect summation 🤣🤣

[@nadineprior3643]

😂😂😂😂 so true

[@mariee.5912]

You should add "I'll let him have it" 😅

[@jenniferhyde5389]

And then "Sir did you do that"😂

[@LawNerd007]

It is absolutely horrendous that it takes this much money, a federal investigation, and Dr Russell wanting to help for an innocent woman to go free. Even if you think she’s guilty this entire case it shit!

[@mostlyvoid.partiallystars]

What I took away from this was that if I were a juror I would rightfully believe that the CW doesn’t want me to hear science regardless of if it supports the CW or not. They are opposed to the jurors hearing facts about science. That says a lot.

[@katiehettinger7857]

Cw would be getting serious side eye from me for have put Trooper Paul up in front of me as an expert witness, especially after Wolfe and Renchler. Not to talk about wondering why Lally didn't use them if the State of Massachusetts was interested in the truth.

[@trinity2145]

I really hope the jury sees that the state didn’t meet their burden and finds her not guilty.

[@MLA56]

When it was all done, the Prosecution didn't even have a POSSIBLE. Renschler removed all possibilities of John being hit by Karen's car.

[@RaelNikolaidis]

Crash Daddy. He dazzled me with science. 😊

[@Atalinay]

The defense witnesses providing More answers than prosecution really showcases just how poorly they handled the case. It is such a disgrace and disrespectful to the victim .

[@agent_ninety9]

I had to call my mom & tell my husband since they know how invested I've been in this trial another Pitt alumni (not to mention Carnegie Mellon in which you have to be very bright to attend )Dr Rentschler was in this trial! And he grew up so close. I found that so cool! He brought it home in my opinion. It was THE BEST testimony of this trial in my opinion. He explained so concisely and easily to this jury it could not have been a motor vehicle accident. Finally. As for what happened to Officer John, it's sad that his family and his loved ones may never know.

[@Classic-Ov3rThinker]

Replay crew from Australia 🇦🇺. ‘So you literally built a cannon’ 😂 - love Dr Wolfe, that smile, he loves his job! So genuine, honest & interesting ❤

[@Daaaanielle]

So….. acquittal? Because damn. Crash daddy and this accident doctor guy gave them sooooo much to doubt the commonwealth.

[@mostlyvoid.partiallystars]

I LOVE the engineering experts. LOVE. Nerd crush is present. 😊

[@valleygirl2530]

I missed this part BUT high honors and respect for Loma Linda. The BEST medical & research center.

[@magicalmary2706]

Catching up on replay. I totally get why Defense said, “wait for us”!!!

[@courtgood52588]

Ready for closing arguments?? LFG!!!!!💥💥💥 FKR!!!!!❤

[@debbysalmon2498]

I read Miss Little went to medical school and then law school.

[@LovetheLed]

I became extremely PRICKLY towards comments regarding her as “the girl” and how “lucky” she was to get to question the medical witnesses ! Respect to women lawyers or face the wrath 🤬

[@mariee.5912]

​@@LovetheLed agree.

[@ESPHMacD]

That certainly makes sense as to why she took the more medical witnesses, like AJ took these physics ones. Prior knowledge helps articulate the right questioning to get better answers.

[@scottie2hot]

These are TRUE, disinterested professionals. The facts are the facts and that is their testimony. It was so disappointing to hear the Medical Examiner say “it is likely and unlikely at the same time.” She was toeing the line instead of just stating the facts.

[@breyor1]

I could feel the “I have to live here after this case is over.” In that reply

[@k8mcawesome]

I’m surprised the state isn’t going to spend weeks on rebuttal just so the jury starts to forget the last 2 defense witnesses

[@LilTex0825]

No rebuttal witnesses!!! Yay!

[@katiehettinger7857]

After watching Lally during this trial I was wondering if he got paid by the hour?

[@jenniferchoo9413]

​@@katiehettinger7857 think it is actually by the word 🤦‍♀️

[@delta3244]

Problem is, who would he call? Paul? The ME? Who else is relevant, other than two of his worst witnesses?

[@TamiFowler1]

You have no idea how much I appreciate your commentary and how you paused it today when you gave your commentary! My ADD thank you

[@saltycyanotic]

Just on the battle of the experts alone, the defense built a shield wall with the degrees alone that was supported by the mountains of experience behind it.

[@Alison1973]

I guess Lally couldn't find any good rebuttal witnesses. 😂😂😂

[@marcpost4034]

They couldn’t afford it.

[@riannarodriguez9759]

They would actually need to find good, qualified and unbiased witness for that

[@LilTex0825]

True

[@Pray4USA]

They don’t exist!! 👊

[@Alison1973]

@@marcpost4034 if they could've found someone qualified and an expert to testify I'm sure they would have, but they couldn't find anyone.

[@andreacollins3204]

Ireland in the house! I’m gonna miss this trial so much, it got me through housework, insomnia( thanks Lally) adhd and ASD modus daily and a trip around Iceland. 🇮🇸 will miss my law nerd besties. 🇮🇪💜

[@TheSusieTom]

Same! Plenty of others to come!

[@seaturtle979]

Dr. Sheridan was so charming and that booger Lally was so rude and condescending. "Do you know what that is?" Show some respect 12000 to 13000 autopsies? Dude that man is is about as bright as a burnt out light bulb.

[@Natalie32star]

NOT GUILTY.

[@Crystaldagger1620]

I missed this morning. Life happened. Glad for replay.

[@FloatingInSpace5702]

Honestly the last witness schooling Lally was so cathartic. Lmao

[@Armchairdetective189]

So after all these weeks we still have no idea what happened to John Okeefe

[@1ACL]

He went into the house and got into a physical beef with Higgins because Karen was hitting on him. The dog got involved. John either fell and cracked his head, or was hit on the back of the head. The gang put him outside to die. They were hoping to pin it on the snow plow, but Karen showed up, so they framed her. They hated her, and in their misogyny, they rationalized the blaming/framing her, thinking it was basically all Karen's fault anyway.

[@mariaskinnider115]

Very sad for his family. His colleagues and so called friends really done John O’Keefe a disservice. They should be ashamed of themselves. ( I’m sure they’re not).

[@jackmanjack211]

brilliant man and perfect witness

[@Dr.Battery.]

To any lawyers: do you think that fact that the Commonwealth didn't use the actual reconstruction experts that were equally available to them is telling? I'm not convinced by the 'set-up' argument by the defence, but it does make me suspicious that the Commonwealth didn't use the experts as it doesn't fit their narrative. I wonder if they did try to find actual experts who also disagreed with their hypothesis of mechanism.

[@rchristy5767]

Did we already respectfully yum yumed Dr Wolfe. ?Science Nerds 😍😍

[@3dchick]

I've become weirdly addicted to this trial, like I'm anticipating separation anxiety. But this part being over hopefully means diving into the federal investigation. Dying to know what they find.

[@itsmarmar1263]

Yes thank you for saying this…. I’m over here thinking now what am I going to do with my time….. hopefully I find another interesting trial sleepy at many times but ugh haha guess I better start looking then keep an eye out for what happens next….. probably won’t see anything for moths because you know they will file an appeal unless feds are waiting for this to be over to have a more solid case as to them (the bsers in this case) trying to say they didn’t check all avenues. So when she is found not guilty they have no one or nothing to Blame.

[@elizaline7571]

Thanks EDB

[@frosting6439]

Can’t deny science or physics

[@LisaLeeLeeBlue]

I am so excited Wrenchler said the bellybutton is the center!! As a dance teacher, for pirouettes, of which round of applause to Jackson for his beautifully demonstrated pirouette complete with spotting, I would teach my students to line up their bellybutton above their knee and ball of foot of standing leg, along with perpendicular hips like a shelf to hold a cup of hot cocoa, to find their center for their pirouettes. Along with many other components. Also, when we would practice staying in character without laughing or breaking character by doing staring contests with different faces, which is very fun and very helpful, if the class is mastering not laughing or looking away, I would say something to try to break their character and make it harder… my favorite word to say, which almost always worked, was BELLYBUTTON🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ginaaswell1387]

Also a dance teacher, I loved the pirouette substitution for spin.

[@LisaLeeLeeBlue]

@@ginaaswell1387 yay!!! 🤣👏🏼

[@lissy0625]

@LisaLeeLeeBlue I was a dancer until my early twenties (chronic illness hit or I'd still be dancing), and no wonder my pirouettes were crap! No one ever explained turning like that to me. I wish you had been my dance teacher!

[@mndavey02184]

I also loved it to- I’m surprised ally didn’t say “but hey my jackass expert said the center is “probably around the chest u know right in here around here ummm..” actual answer

[@LisaLeeLeeBlue]

@@mndavey02184 lolll truuue. Also, for proper posture, I would tell my students to lift their hearts up. But uh, this trooper and all the CW’s witnesses don’t seem to HAVE hearts!

[@HumblyQuestioning]

Did Lally come up with his questions for the last two witnesses by consulting with a magic 8 ball?

[@stephanievela2797]

All signs point to YES.

[@tenguokoku]

​@@stephanievela2797 😅😂🤣🤣🤣

[@deniseparker9247]

Love this witness!!!

[@arilic]

Sir, if size matters, does shape also matter? Asking for the jury of the court of EDB of course... For science.

[@CraftingLiz]

on re-watch crew - it is very annoying that Lally never listens to the answers he is given!

[@trisHa6666]

They believed gossip over evidence and common sense

[@carliesmith3252]

Dr Sheridan is so earnest

[@Violet-xg4bb]

He was delightful.

[@gitmoholliday5764]

The microscopic taillight particles in O'Keefe's cloths Lally was talking about are 0.0039 of an Inch. impossible to say it is the same material as Karens Lexus.. most busy roads are dusted by glass metal, concrete, paint, plastic connected to vehicles / accidents and road use. just microscopic dust piling up by wind and rainfall.

[@katiehettinger7857]

Who had John's clothes before the swabs were taken...mmmmm. 🫤

[@gitmoholliday5764]

@@katiehettinger7857 correct me if I'm wrong but I think they waited almost 1 year before they tried to swab his cloths for dog DNA.. and instead of sending the cloths to that Lab they did send 2 pieces of cotton by mail to California.

[@GwynnyBly8256]

CW expert: drinking glass on tail-light does NOT match glass with John o’keefe, Def Crash expert: tail light was broken by drinking glass thrown at it. RING video: LOTS of red light coming from tail light on way to find John. Me: so someone threw a different glass at the tail light to break it, after John O’Keefe was found.

[@straightupnews2965]

This guy is so much smarter than Lally. 😅

[@amylynn732]

EDB, would you please have fed man Wolfe on for an interview? As a fellow nerd-at-large, I would like to hear more about the building of the cannon and the testing.

[@kayjay9071]

That "we built a cannon" moment reminded me of Hudgins from the series Bones 😊

[@esk2g]

I love how I’m our legal system your case is either going to come together to tell a very specific story OR it’s going to fall apart the longer you go bc it’s evidence and it tells the truth! Thank God there’s people this smart out there to tell us!

[@1ACL]

He went into the house and got into a physical beef with Higgins because Karen was hitting on him. The dog got involved. John either fell and cracked his head, or was hit on the back of the head. The gang put him outside to die. They were hoping to pin it on the snow plow, but Karen showed up, so they framed her. They hated her, and in their misogyny, they rationalized the blaming/framing her, thinking it was basically all Karen's fault anyway.

[@wee_Fergus]

Exactly!

[@waitaminute2015]

I would love to know if the VM she left were already listened to, but we'll never know. It could have planted the seed to blame her.

[@missm108]

I agree with all that but just to put it out there maybe he was flirting with Jen’s daughter? Was she at the bora bora vacation and maybe conner or the Allan’s son who likes to fight got all up in his grill

[@jenniferhyde5389]

Definitely think Higgins was involved. He was sympathetic towards Karen and wanted her .And John's a flirt with young female family members. Colin is definitely likely to have seen that. John's behaviour has been a central issue. Hardly been covered.

[@lizzeltired2155]

💯

[@JamesWadsworth-z7d]

I honestly can't watch any trial without EDB. Thank you Emily for all the time you put into these cases.

[@BarbaraB-cc1is]

I sadness is for o’keef family still don’t know why he is gone♥️

[@wee_Fergus]

I can’t say I’d be friends with the woman, but she’s not guilty.

[@FatGrandma-cb6ll]

Trooper Paul's first paper will be on forward. His second will be on crime scenes speaking to him.

[@hayleyward7939]

This is wild. I mean even if there wasnt reasonable doubt before, if you take into account these witnesses I don’t know how a reasonable jury could cconvict. We love the crash daddies

[@dancing523]

San Bernadino is a high-crime area, so the forensic physician has seen a lot. Let me add that Loma Linda University and Medical Center are big deals. I missed that teaching hospital and school. My professional growth occurred during my time in Loma Linda.

[@courtneybultman]

Emily: the jury is gonna like this witness a lot you know why? Me: cause he's cute? Emily: cause he gave clear and concise answers. Me: oh yeah that too. 😂

[@face_in_the_crowd]

The temperature was barely getting to freezing so the ground wouldn’t have been frozen solid like the state would like you to believe.

[@christinamurray8242]

Question, Lally kept asking about the compression abrasions and that, did he have an expert on that explained those abrasions?

[@LovetheLed]

No. He learned some new words for today!🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

[@johnscustomsaws]

​@@LovetheLed 😂😂😂

[@Alison1973]

​@@LovetheLed😂😂😂

[@wee_Fergus]

Favorite witness!! 🎉. Dr Rent.

[@wesmiley]

Lally being rude to an old Irishman seems like it won't play well to a Boston jury imo...

[@jo4vt]

Thank you Emily!