LIVE TV DEBATE: Is Veganism a Moral Imperative?

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For the release of my debut book I was invited onto BBC Politics Live to discuss how I became vegan, and to debate whether or not veganism is a moral imperative.
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[@ed.winters]

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[@VeganV5912]

.. Hitler and Stalin and Pol Pot, were Killing innocent souls. Bludgeoned to death... 👈 Hint hint 🤥🦠🍖🔴.... 🙄. Over a frigging 5 minute burger et cetera !!! CuIt🔴foIIowing !!!!! What a world we live in !!!!! Sick !!!! 🔴

[@VeganV5912]

This is helpful : kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYHZiqp3ZrirhrM ..

[@VeganV5912]

CuIt🔴foIIowing !!!!!

[@VeganV5912]

.. Me me me.. 😭💦🦠💩🍖🥓🍳... 🔴🐮🐷🐔🐣🐟... Napkin 🧻🤷🏼‍♂️ ????... Over a frigging burger !!! 5 minute burger et cetera !!!!..🖕🙄.. “I’m scared, I’m going to do what everyone else is doing. Follow the leader. It’s a Cult following..... 😫🦠💩🍖🔴……………………”

[@VeganV5912]

Yeast is B12. Teaspoon 500% !!!!! And it’s natural 🦠 (hint hint 🥖🍞B12 ). Or marmite teaspoonful 480% !!!!! Duckweed B12 500% teaspoon !!!.......

[@stringbing97]

This was a very frustrating environment to be in. Great job Ed.

[@KaptainKastle]

It's pretty similar to the debates around just about every Christmas dinner where one person happens to be vegan.

[@hiking1388]

@@KaptainKastle I know of what you speak! However, I am so grateful to say this last holiday season was actually a win for me, food-wise. I did all of Thanksgiving and (with a friend) Christmas cooking last Nov/Dec so it'd all be vegan (was all soy-free as well due to my brother's sensitivity to it, he was convinced he needed to make a meat dish for himself because y'know obvs vegans live off of soy) They weren't large gatherings due to covid, but I still cooked for days to make sure it'd be a proper feast and my brother would have tons of leftovers. I now feel like I can only do holidays this way though, because it's worth it if everything - including all the normal / traditional recipes - are vegan and delicious so that people can stop with the excuse of, "I could never be vegan because of this one dish I occasionally eat and therefore will continue to eat animal products three times a day". Still had to deal with some silly nonsense at the dinner table, eg my brother insisting the pumpkin pie tastes slightly different - it didn't, and his no-nonsense German wife was always quick to shut him down. But my goodness it was so nice for just everything to be vegan and delicious, I have no hope for humanity but at least my holiday meals will be fine in future. I am definitely gonna do myself a favor and get some soft cushiony mats, it was the only difficult thing about it all, all the standing! Otherwise I listened to funny podcasts, the latest Earthling Ed vids, and holiday music, so it all was relaxing and festive really.

[@KaptainKastle]

@@hiking1388 that's great news . If that was my family , they'd find some fault in something..... The wooly jumper you have on is not vegan, the trifle has gelatine, the Nike logo on your trainers is leather ..etc etc .. Sounds like you made a really good effort though ..wish I was invited .

[@hiking1388]

@@KaptainKastle my family's pretty blockheaded but to their credit they are always incredibly grateful to anyone who cooks. My dad and brother have (when I was in high school) gobbled up some 'mistakes' I'd left out (meanwhile they left the good stuff untouched!) and were still full of praise - it was great - but, perhaps, it was not quite as good as usual?? (This happened twice, I was so mortified...) But still, to keep the peace, I planned ahead and (for both meals) had loads of table topics prepared, to keep the conversation light and flowing. And for afters, there were trivia quizzes (with minor prizes) and fun new board games. I've become aware there are so many amazing board games out there, and I wanna try the most popular ones! :) Hopefully next holiday season covid will be much less of a thing and maybe there can be some community vegan holiday stuff organized?? I expect to be in the US again this Nov / Dec, but tell ya what, for next year, if you're in the vicinity of Ireland (where we're supposed to settle down soon, my husband's an ahem brexit refugee ie can't stand the country anymore), you can come over and experience a real American Thanksgiving and/or Christmas dinner! With so much pumpkin pie and cranberry sauce you won't know what to do with it 😂

[@francescacampbell4924]

I would of been uncomfortable. They are talking B.S. tbh I have been Vegan for around 3 yrs now never have I felt healthier in my entire life. I am very much against innocent beings being Stabbed to death for a 10 min meal selfish human beings. What are they gonna do in the future when the world is Vegan in 2048 go on tell me.

[@deenzo4404]

This takes so much courage. I honestly don’t know how you can maintain such a civil conversation with such ignorant and selfish people.

[@WestlyEdell]

Nice comment. I struggle to keep calm when people refuse to see a victim. History is full of oppressors being fine with the status quo.

[@practicalpisces]

Agreed. How did this discussion go from respecting the lives of animals to "mah freedoms, tho?!"

[@suicune2001]

Right. I don't know if I would have the kind of courage to do what he did or keep my cool. Especially when they dismissed him so easily to "taste tho". I also think it's funny no one gives a shit about ANY industry that goes under but everyone is so concerned about farmers. No one cared when VHS went to DVD or when DVD when to blu-ray or when Blockbuster went out of business. No one cared about those livelihoods or jobs. But god forbid a farmer does anything else with their life.

[@ehlio]

@@WestlyEdell That was really well put (and intersectional)

[@MatthewWitt12]

We all used to be those people. Compassion, empathy, and indisputable facts are the best weapons.

[@stevenbridges]

Great job under such difficult circumstances and a limiting format!

[@OrisTV]

He had Such little time to get a point across. Also I’m enjoying your card counting videos !

[@projectlifeimprovement8998]

Yo Steven! I talked to you in the comment section of one of your videos the other day! Are you vegan as well?😁

[@andyomahoney]

Earthling Ed you are an absolute f**king inspiration. Never stop. Never ever. We are here supporting you.

[@Raven-fx5qm]

right!!!!!??

[@juliewake4585]

I have to sat he changed my life.

[@whitecrow1583]

Sad but not surprised by their behavior. Ed did a good job. It's hard to keep a balance with such audiences.

[@ricardosa3509]

Holy shit, most of us would burst right there. Ed's composure is something else!

[@deathdealer6696]

@@ricardosa3509 I was ready to explode at the end for Ed… but wow, he kept so much composure & just said ‘thank you’.. incredible

[@SweetPotatoTyler]

5 non-vegans vs. 1 vegan and Ed still destroyed all of their arguments. Wonderful work Ed!

[@SauronDarkLordMordor]

the reason is simple: there's not one valid argument against veganism. Not one.

[@Indrave_2274]

@@SauronDarkLordMordor Oh there are plenty, actually. It's just that they're all about as absurd as saying serial killers have their choices and only kill locally.

[@BrokenEyedVegan]

Funny thing is 2 years ago I was saying the same stuff as these lot and now I hear these weak arguments as a vegan and think oh god that’s cringe That girl annoyed me who said she’s Flexiterian… What the hell is that? Then says it’s hard? It isn’t in UK as plenty of healthy ready meals, or better yet spend less time gawping at social media and TV soaps and learn to cook… Following a step by step recipe isn’t difficult.

[@Incredible43]

@RonnyRamirez Exactly, no excuse against Veganism only excuses for why people refuse to be Vegan

[@kirillchudinov1634]

@@SauronDarkLordMordor there is

[@veronicawiltshire7225]

Well done Ed. As a 71 year old vegan I don’t have any problems with my health. Maybe instead of eating pies they should educate themselves on how healthy a vegan diet is.

[@spctregaze9841]

yeah maybe then those old sods might live to be your age.

[@andylucas6962]

Your diet is deficient so no its not healthy

[@jamesjohnson2394]

@@andylucas6962 Andy it's ok to say its a big change and you're not sure if you could do it. Honestly as someone who has been a vegan for a year and half trust me it's really easy and I'm just as ignorant as anyone else

[@andylucas6962]

@@jamesjohnson2394 I know 100% I can't do it... large amounts of grains and beans would kill my guts.

[@garlandsau1]

@@andylucas6962 There are over 80,000 different plant varieties out there. You don’t have to just eat large amounts of grain and rice.

[@EverybodyFrytki]

The lady didn't even try to refute your arguments, she came prepared to say what she said and wasn't ready to hear anything reasonable. What a shock for her!

[@theantiveganchannel3596]

he was wearing more make up then her.. to hide vegan deterioration

[@theantiveganchannel3596]

@Danny LOL eating a raw steak or raw liver, is hard to mess up..

[@theantiveganchannel3596]

@Danny when you mean meat eater define a percentage... A person who eats Mc Donalds 3 times a day is a plant based dieter.. as it's 95%-99% plant based.. In order to be a meat based dieter it would have to be 76%+ meat/animal based =animal based dieter... 50/50% is omnivore 76%+ plants, is plant based dieter, typically a junk food dieter or 175-350kg of processed sugar a year dieter... it's hard to claim the standard american dieter is a meat eater when they consume upwards of 350kg of sugar a year( mostly from fizzy drinks and crisps.. ) the SADiet is Corn, wheat, soy and sugar...

[@MaskedOG]

I know you just trolling but someone that eats meet is a meet eater. Doesn’t mater if your diet is 0.1% meet or mainly plant based. It’s like saying I only murdered once every other time so I’m not a murderer. Mainly plant based is a good start tho:). The only good argument against a well rounded plant based diet is: I don’t give a f*** about anyone or the environmental impact I have so f*** all of existence, I do me brah.

[@theantiveganchannel3596]

@@MaskedOG Crop farm animal deaths you pay the farmer to hire hunters to kiII the animals on your behalf , so you can get low prices on your plant sludge crop protection is required for any plant that is grown. not just soy.. (but we know for real that it's actually being grown for humans anyways) i don't know if you have been to the store most the processed plant sludge on store shelf's has SOY in it you're not really vegan, being vegan does not really even exist.... it's only a personal mentaI lIIness you're trying to push onto others.. electricity is not vegan Disneyland(or it's movies ) is not vegan cars are not vegan your computer or cell phone is not vegan mostly everything in your house is not vegan

[@Masilya111]

Incredible. It's like they talk about everything except the animals as if they didn't exist.

[@tamcon72]

It's like they are overcompensating by talking ONLY about what they like to eat to avoid tackling the moral choice that Ed emphasized in his intro. It was fascinating.

[@Tonygodbout]

Part of it come from the name we give it. You don't eat a cow and a hen; you eat beef and chicken. (Well WE don't but you get the point)

[@SourceChan]

That's the state of the world. There's a lot of people we never talk about like the perpetrators of violence who oftentimes were themselves violated or traumatized as children. But we don't care about them because they're easy to scapegoat or ignore, isn't it so?

[@josephpurdue7583]

Ed, they really have no strong argument against you. I loved how you absolute shut down the guy at the end, when he said 'it's been doing fine for centuries'. It's been a disaster that has been getting worse and worse for centuries. They really had no argument. Keep doing what you doing man. You're incredible.

[@thoughtsandprayers]

Exactly. People including myself have been criticizing Ed for being too nice to people for in the first years of his online presence but he really had the right little pinch of aggressive drive in this one.

[@RogueAstro85]

"Why can't we let the farmers go out on their tractors, feed the sheep, and take them to market?" I think you skipped a step there, buddy

[@jasonfunderberker6955]

It is stunning how much emphasis the others place on personal choice while the argument was never about whether it should be mandated to be a vegan, but about whether it's a moral imperative. Everyone agree's that it's an individual choice but they keep underlining it to distract the conversation from the moral question

[@danadaurey24]

BRILLIANT! AGREED!

[@-rr-4172]

Morals are relative whereas humanitarianism is NOT and shouldn’t be which is why I would 100% agree with the others on the panel about livestock and livelihood. I care more about my own well-being and other human being’s well being because I am also a human being.

[@jasonfunderberker6955]

@@-rr-4172 sorry but no. humanitarianism is also a moral value, it is no less relative than discussions of the morality of animal consumption. Humanitarianism is the belief in the value of human life, that's a value judgement, a moral statement. Also you misrepresent the question that is relevant, the discussion about veganism is not about whether you care more about your own well-being as opposed to that of animals. It's about whether you care more about your own taste pleasure than about the welfare and lives of animals.

[@-rr-4172]

@@jasonfunderberker6955 No humanitarianism is not a 'moral value'. It's completely rational without the need for morals (although very briefly, i just did in my original post). MORAILTY IS RELATIVE therefore eating nothing but grass is a personal choice. No I didn't misrepresent the question, it is entirely relevant. Easy to win a game if you're the one making up the rules.

[@-rr-4172]

@@jasonfunderberker6955 Humanitarianism is not a 'moral value'. It's the promotion of human welfare. That's it. I fail to see how that has anything to do with 'morality', you could argue that it is entirely selfish and you would be correct. But i highly doubt you'd lay down your life for an animal you have no connection to.

[@JoeyCarbstrong]

great work ed!

[@AnonymousSuperTuber]

Easy work for ed as per.

[@Matheus-si8vq]

Thank you

[@knr7189]

And you yourself are doing great work too, Joey ♥️🙏

[@edusch]

@@Matheus-si8vq carai, velho, todo video q eu vou tem um comentário teu

[@JordanCalifornia27]

Joey, you and Ed are LEGENDS.

[@whatiswrongwiththeworld8451]

It just baffles me who people can say "I decide not to be vegan" as if it where an actual argument. Nobody uses that logic for anything else.

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

And the whole moral dimension is *because* its a choice. Everyone has that choice, and by admitting it one way or the other when in full knowledge of the reality of things, shows a certain... character trait... that either speaks to someones basic goodness, or pathological indifference or worse, cruelty.

[@davisantos3431]

Dude I know once said he doesn't need to have a justification for everything when I asked how he could justify eating animals. I wonder what else we can do without justification... anything.

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

@@davisantos3431 But he does have his justification; sensory pleasure and cultural practices. The issue is, he knows that justification is nonsense and wrong but he won't admit it.

[@davisantos3431]

@@satyasyasatyasya5746 no no, he did admit it. The "I don't need a justification" line came after he got cornered and acknowledged the ones he had weren't good enough.

[@sadface6635]

“I decide it’s ok to blow up the moon, that’s my personal decision“

[@jasminelauren3497]

Currently doing veganuary and considering making the leap permanent. I think your argument was put across brilliantly, but unfortunately where people have stereotyped vegans as pushing their views on others for so long, I think this was clouding their judgement. It was very evident that the arguments they had were not well thought through and perhaps they were flustered by the clear evidence that you had. Unfortunately, much like people I’ve spoken to in my life, people have so much bias and are quick to rationalise their diet and lifestyle. They don’t want to hear something that may challenge this, or open their eyes to the fact the morally and environmentally veganism is the only way forward.

[@jamesjohnson2394]

I been vegan for about 14 months. It's really super easy I'd say! Go for it Jasmine! :)

[@basbleupeaunoire]

I think you're right that people are finding it hard to drop those stereotypes. I actually never thought of it like that. Enjoy your veganuary, and best of luck!

[@Jasmine-ws3og]

As a fellow Jasmine, I’ve been vegan for about 6 months now and can say it’s 100% one of the best decisions I’ve ever made. You can do it!

[@MeAsMeButMe]

Respect Jasmine! Thanks for keeping an open mind! It's hard at times when you take a step away from something you've probably done your whole life.

[@christineh86]

Yes, very well formulated. Hearing stuff like their stupid arguments make me very tired.. people repeat stuff like this to me very often. But it’s still worth it, to be the outsider of the group. I’ve been vegan for almost two years and on a mostly whole food (less processed) and diet it’s great! I can help animals, the climate and my health all at once?! Yes! Why would anyone not want that?! I recommend you to follow Hench Herbivore on KZbin if you haven’t already! I feel like it’s almost impossible to fail with vegan food if you follow/get inspired by their recipes, very healthy and easy!

[@DeBeOtaku]

Wish I could stay at calm and collected in confrontation. You're an inspiration. Amazing work Ed, as always

[@josethevegan8923]

That's so true! I could only do so much of talking to them. JoseTheVegan on KZbin

[@Karen-md7ps]

Awesome work, Ed! The way they ended the conversation by ‘moving on..’ just when they said ‘we are having an open conversation’ just killed me xD they clearly didn’t have anything else to add, and I will always admire how well your thoughts are put together whenever you answer arguments against veganism.

[@pixelated.peachyangel]

The others were like Personal Choice tho Balanced Diet tho Local tho Keep fighting. Thank you for this.

[@anettkallai]

All the “arguments” were sooo boring🙄🙄🙄🥱👎🏼

[@DarioWittwer]

uff, that was difficult. Five non-vegans who don't know much about the facts (i don't even talk about morality) and mainly express their opinion without really going into Ed's arguments. And Ed is the only one not sitting among them, incredibly challenging to have a factual conversation this way. Respect!

[@giialiinh]

they are just ignorant, bigoted of course

[@vaurien3694]

True. Amusing how Jenny keeps talking about "environmentally friendly", "deforestation" and "small water footprint" as arguments FOR the consumption of animal products. Excuse me, WHAT? Animal products are the WORST for the environment, the number one reason for deforestation and use up insane amounts of water compared to vegan ones. And then she goes on to talk about "locally produced food" as if transportation had a big influence on the environmental friendliness of food. We long know that emissions from transportation make up the smallest percentage of the greenhouse gas emissions of food. The largest amount comes from producing that food, from land usage, from the animals themselves (cows producing methane) etc. The only thing I can hope for is that the younger generations aren't as ignorant, uninformed, selfish and stupid as these people.

[@DarioWittwer]

​@@vaurien3694 Yes, I agree. A lot of comments that I'm sure Ed would have addressed if the format had allowed it. Also, many people always forget that a large part of the animals get food that was imported. Buying local food is great, but in this case the argument is not valid.... but I don't want to call these people selfish or stupid.... I also ate animals once and didn't know any better at that time. And I am still learning. Much more I question such formats (whether on TV or in magazines). Often their effect does not represent the facts and that is annoying :/

[@officialasa]

You’re a fucking boss, Ed. These ppl had nothing to say and so tried cutting you off repeatedly. Complete cognitive dissonance

[@franchstar1]

yeah their only argument was basically choice xD take a shot everytime they say the word choice and you get drunk very fast

[@filipecarvalho853]

What are you talking about? They had the most sound answer; personal choice, freedom of choice and allowing people to choose. Debunked.

[@Vamusika]

@@filipecarvalho853 who in the world can actually force anyone to eat/not eat anything? Has a vegan ever come and taken a morsel from someone's mouth? It's a no brainer point that's repeated over and over again. Everybody agrees that there is choice. But that doesn't mean every choice one makes is necessarily good for the planet/life on Earth. When has having a conversation and education about an issue taken away a choice from someone?? 🙆🏻‍♀️

[@JamieSTW]

@@filipecarvalho853 If someone 'personally chooses' to adopt and torture dogs, purely because of the pleasure they get from hearing them in pain, is this acceptable to you?

[@cipherklosenuf9242]

@@Vamusika If I prefer to remain blissfully disassociated from the ethics of killing animals then just by you raising the dilemma I’m forced to plug my ears and hum “God Save The Queen” even if I don’t want. Not fair!🤨

[@kinshuksingh90]

The patience this guy has is astonishing on so many levels. Love you, Ed! More power to you, king

[@andres_camarillo]

These interviews are always so frustrating, it's glaringly obvious that these people haven't thought about the issue at all.

[@OoooullioooO]

Ed I'm so impressed by you every single time I watch a video from you. You are so calm, your words are on point, you are in control of how your non verbal communication works, it's just impressive. I hope you know how incredible you are, pls take care, cause it's so emotionally draining to talk about this over and over again.

[@sunitakhadka8594]

Ed Winters doesnt lose it at any point..i am just amazed at how he manages to remain so emotionally composed while refuting such blatant morally inconsistent positions that others try so obstinately to defend against logic and conscience

[@KatarinaP81]

Kudos to you, Ed, for being so calm and collected.

[@nitachikita3398]

Just brilliant. Your patience, humility and knowledge base is astounding. 💥 Thank you a million times over for your life’s work. So so inspiring!! I🌱🌍💚🐷

[@loic.bertrand]

You're doing extremely well! I'm shaking from stress just at the idea of having to hear their arguments while remaining calm and responding in a nice manner.. this is not an easy task. "This is our choice, we have a choice, people make their own choices, we are free to choose..." "It's been doing fine for centuries" "We need to buy local food" "We need to support our farmers" "I love meat" "Our country has high standards for food quality" Always the same arguments so they don't have to change anything...

[@adrianakolev4940]

Right. Half the arguments don’t make any sense either. Like what does eating local have to do with veganism? You can be vegan and eat local….. totally different topic than the one that was supposed to be discussed.

[@cipherklosenuf9242]

Unfortunately choosing corporate industrialized meat and dairy production requires the public to bear a lot of negative and expensive consequences. For example: heart disease, pollution, inefficient government subsidies increased risk of coronaviruses and super bacteria.

[@aaronburnslees9832]

This is crazy. Having just Ed fighting against an entire panel who all disagree and reinforce each others positions. The guy talking about it being everyone's "choice" was infuriating. As Ed consistently states when participating in these kinds of discussions, you don't get the right to choice if your choice has a victim.

[@adrianakolev4940]

Absolutely. All of them very ignorant in their own ways. By the “free society” logic we could all go around stabbing each other or peoples pets, as long as we felt like it! Senseless fallacious retort.

[@rasputozen]

I kept wanting him to ask "what about the animal's choice?" but I think he did great regardless.

[@moonchild3257]

"I hAvE nOtHiNg AgAiNsT vEgAns" "I rEaLLy ReSpEcT yOuR dEciSiOn" ok cool but this isn't about us, it's about the animals

[@moonchild3257]

@G lol

[@keepar]

Maaaan, what a difficult conversation. I would find it difficult to be the only one on the side of veganism against four people. Seems unfair, yet you pulled it off wonderfully. Nice job! Thumbs up emoji

[@alvasmurfquist2521]

You are remarkable, I hope you feel the support and love from the vegan community and don't get disheartened by other people's defensiveness. You inspire me on a daily basis!

[@rayraytaytay8818]

I love you Ed, you are amazing. You have a beautiful way with words, I have so much respect for you. I hope one day we have the opportunity to meet.

[@kiaran1991]

Absolutely inspiring! How you keep your cool in these situations is a super power. Keep up the fantastic work!! Vegan for nearly a year and you've been a massive reason for that thanks again for educating us all!

[@minimalistwanderer]

Great job Ed! Those people seemed so close minded. They were only trying to "politely" undermine you. Thank you for standing up for animals and the environment

[@nicklachen5060]

Oh I know a vegan!.... great. Why are you not a vegan

[@prieten49]

A debate between four meat-eaters and one vegan! Ed Winters did very well given the little time he had.

[@spaceylacey83]

She interrupted you to ask if the other lady was convinced. Have trouble convincing anybody with a half finished sentence. She was getting real uncomfortable with where you were going.

[@movewithsiri]

That was a very tough crowd, Ed. Denial and resistance shining through. Keep up the good work! Keep advocating for the animals, for the planet, for a better way!

[@lelrond]

The virtue signaling about locally sourced food is the most frustrating thing about environmentalist non-vegans. They're showing zero insight into what actually causes pollution, resource exploitation, emissions. Like ffs you keep ignoring the actual vegan argument about animal ethics but then can't even properly argue the first thing about the topic you forced into this conversation.

[@robertcohen8554]

It's deliberate...And there is no such thing as an environmentalist who eats animals.

[@katiemae9412]

This cannot be an easy task.. watching Ed making these valid points and hearing the news casters placate is just heart wrenching.... god bless Ed for having the courage to say what needs to be said to people who need to hear it, whether or not they open their ears and minds

[@susannamelchior820]

People have the freedom to choose whether to eat meat or not. What about animals? Can they choose whether to become food or not? What I mean is, the choice-argument goes nowhere. Thank you Ed for speaking up for the animals. Susanna in Sweden

[@Adelicows]

Exactly. People absolutely should have the freedom to chose whatever they want, so long as their choices are not causing harm. It's heartbreaking to know that harming animals is perfectly acceptable to most people 😢

[@fordprefect1925]

The resentment about considering the ethical and environmental implications of eating meat is so deeply engrained. Each of these people presumed that Ed's aim was to ignore their points of view and that, if he were in charge of the country, he would enforce veganism on everyone. Instead he raised several well researched and thought out points about the ethics of the meat and dairy industry, animal suffering in general and the issues caused by our current farming systems for the environment. Veganism is regarded like some form of cult or religion predicated on speculative beliefs that are up for debate. Animal suffering exists and our farming system does damage the environment. The facts are out there and more people are waking up.

[@JohnMoseley]

The Brexity guy's 'First and foremost there must be choice' style of debate is a usually effective way of simply steamrollering great acreages of nuance. Must there be choice? Would the same guy say that about murdering humans or even farm animals in public squares? Should the farm animals have a choice? Like a lot of others on these vids, I'm increasingly impressed by how you handle these debates, Ed. You never lose it, yet you're never backwards about coming forwards with asking your opponents difficult questions.

[@vyleart4488]

I feel that you were able to dodge a lot of the traps laid out for you in here. I suspect the outcome of the discussion was not exactly what they expected. Your true empathy and care is what makes you a perfect voice for veganism. Thank you.

[@adrianakolev4940]

Yes, they were definitely hoping to somehow say that veganism means being unhealthy, is unobtainable, somehow ruins farmers, somehow can’t be done locally, and that all vegans want to mandate restrictions. Allll of which is false.

[@MrMikner]

So sad the main question wasn't even addressed, they just switched over to "fArmErS suPpoRtIng" and "BrExiT iS a GreAt opPurTuNitY"

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

meat is all about the money. profit over planet. same old story.

[@evilsbrother8247]

@@satyasyasatyasya5746 so is vegan specific food like beyond burgers etc. No different.

[@MrMikner]

@@evilsbrother8247 At least it's more ethical and trys to minimise animal suffering. Btw, why are you trying to defend the animal AG? defending a belief = cult behaviour ^^

[@danielpilz8052]

“He warns about cutting out meat and then not replacing those nutrients…” Thank you for stating the scientific consensus that starvation is not a recommended diet…

[@MukulVyas5]

Lol yeah. It's like saying cutting out water but not replacing it with something equally hydrating may cause severe dehydration. 🤣

[@an9l1c1sm6]

hahahaha true.. :)

[@cipherklosenuf9242]

😂

[@durjaisethi4416]

Ed, your temperament is unearthly. It's so aspirational to have so much logic backing your arguments and having so much patience to listen to arguments driven mainly by emotion.

[@ryanburnouf-trow7739]

Set up to fail against that panel but more than held his own! I’ve no idea how Ed doesn’t just lose it when being confronted with the same small minded and idiotic points time and time again! Legend!

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

That's because when it comes to ethical treatment of animals, he's certain he's on the right side of truth.

[@elizabethdean0187]

Those vested in factory farming including the meat eaters they serve lose all rationality and make fools of themselves in the process of arguing for it. They fundamentally know it is ‘wrong’ and overstep their lack of knowledge with untruths. I see it in academia and the so-called health professions. Keep going forward with your rationale approach, despite meeting up with emotional reaction and irrationality. Reason must prevail.

[@arjunjai1852]

lol when she came on "i would consider myself a flexitarian" like honestly theres no difference between u and a meat eater bro xd

[@moonchild3257]

fr like oh wow u only pay someone to kill an animal once or twice a week 😍

[@mateusztgorak]

What you're saying is clearly false. Convincing (additional) 40% of people to eat meat only twice a week would result in less animal suffering and deaths than if we convinced (less than 5/7, ~28,5%) 25% of people to go vegan; the primary focus should be the betterment of the wellbeing of animals, and the latter would accomplish that less, so there's clearly a difference. I agree that the problem with those just reducing meat is that they still implicitly think that animals are here for us to be exploited (which can result in people coming back to eating meat daily), but theoretically some meat reduction initiatives for masses can be well argued for (for now, in 2022 in this dire situation; in the future full veganism is the way, of course).

[@tamcon72]

@@mateusztgorak Disagree, though I understand your reasoning: Meatless Monday has been around for decades and has not decreased over-all meat consumption. Flexitarianism is a fiction. It doesn't work as a behavioral modifier because there is no deeper principle underlying it, as with veganism.

[@mateusztgorak]

@@tamcon72 Meatless Mondays did reduce overall meat consumption. People eat more and more meat, but that doesn't mean that there aren't factor that reduce it. I agree that reducing (like by Meatless Mondays) have the problem of poor philosophy behind it - if people know it's bad, so they stop on Monday, why on earth do they see it as rational to do it on Tuesday? - but IMO if it somehow works, it should be in the toolkit of animal welfare activism.

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

Ed, you did an amazing job and you were relentless with them, as you had to be, because they were dodging, diverting, and making excuses....these people were so full of BS ! And you can tell what industry is funding this show (through commercials)

[@edoardolagrasta4786]

the way she breathes deeply at 4:53 says it all. When questioning habits so ingrained is easy to be annoyed, but we must go beyond the wall of boredom and reflect, reflect on what we do and think as much as possible, not take anything for granted, only in this way we unhinge habits absurd and violent that only tradition and culture can normalize.

[@zodd67]

Yep it was the "Here we go" sigh she knew she was in for a tough question and she just blagged it off, Nick had to jump in too ofc gotta defend the team I suppose...

[@jlvv_1]

Its great we hv platform on main medias to talk about veganism. Whether they agree/not, Ed's mission is to "Educate" and make them think what they haven't thought before. I hope vegan activists will be invited more on mainstream medias.. So our voices will reach more people ❤

[@elizabethdean0187]

The ‘head in the sand’ phenomenon of this TV panel is appealing. Thank you for your continuing forbearance of such ignorance and unreasoned arguments on the panel’s part. As a clinician scientist, Ed, I have made a critical point to add to your compelling arguments to support vegan nutrition. However, I appreciate you are unable to read each and every one of the thousands of comments. The fact is we are ‘vegan-by-design’. See ‘The Anatomy of Eating’ by Dr. Milton Mills who compared the three on 18 dimensions of anatomy and physiology. When carnivores, omnivores and herbivores (vegans) are compared, humans have NO resemblance to omnivores, although culturally we choose to consume animal sourced foods and turn a blind eye to how they arrive on our plate The more humans digress from a whole food, low fat plant-based diet, the sicker we become (The Blue Zones of the world are a testament to this). The epidemic on non-communicable diseases are the result which most people will die from. Carry on!, Ed. You are doing more for humanity than most of us so-called ‘health’ professionals, despite our multiple degrees. I am embarrassed to be part of this establishment as we are failing to translate the literature - contributing to. NCDs and climate disaster by our inertia and continue to push drugs and surgery to address the consequences.

[@mattfenloncreative5674]

I’m so glad that they asked you for your thoughts on farmer’s “livelihoods” at the end because your response completely knocked it out of the park. I was worried for a moment that you wouldn’t get an opportunity to respond to this point. Keep hammering these messages home Ed 😊👍🏼

[@RR_85]

She wouldn't say how these poor creatures are killed. That says it all.

[@cesarcaixeta8456]

Even though it hurts watching how people never answers Ed and run to the "is a personal choice" (aka I dont give a f***) argument at least I'm happy that veganism is already being discussed in places such as BBC. As always, thanks for all the work Ed!

[@LoversRfighters]

It has become abundantly clear to me that most people who reject veganism after hearing valid arguments like Ed provides are not being true or consistent to their own values. They latch unto any argument that they can to externally excuse themselves and it's an obvious attempt at trying to justify meat eating. Like in so many videos I saw it here with the farmers example. I did this to some extent when I heard about veganism as well but I hope that more and more people recognize this and make the change to veganism.

[@sophiekloppsowa1138]

love how calm and respectful you are. your activism is how activism should be done💚 also it is great to see how the other people react and talk about veganism. Change is really here and they accept it more and more and even adapt. 👌

[@dharmendra722]

More power to you Ed. 5 on 1 yet still they were hesitant and couldn't justify it morally.

[@Gardor]

The only tangible downside of veganism and plant based diets is society and self reinforcement. - Being forced to explain your decision. - Being limited in the food options that are available to you. - Having a social disadvantage. - Having to learn basic cooking. - Paying higher prices for processed food options that lack economies of scale and subsidization.

[@manofthenooch9910]

The mental gymnastics they are willing to resort to are always entertaining and frustrating at the same time. Great work as always Ed, you're a gem.

[@Pabz2030]

No mental gymnastics. I like eating meat. Tastes great. You can keep your fungus and lab grown fake food. Thanks.

[@paddy_g7676]

What mental gymnsatics? We like and need meat naturally and we know that animals are killed and we don't give a shit. If it allowes me a quality healthy life, kill them or let me kill them myself. I tried that vegan lifestyle, it was a disaster.

[@debcress6718]

You go ed, I admire how well spoken &brave you are! you inspire me everyday!

[@AG-bq2zd]

I was so surprised and thrilled to see you on politics live today. Some of the most unreasonable people you’ve talked to on video, in my opinion. Jenny Chapman looked uncomfortable after spouting crap about meat pies though, and that’s something!

[@panes840]

She was just a bambling fool.

[@blueglassesgirluk9445]

I saw no strong arguments here against veganism - old bloke at end practically said “we’ve been doing it like this for years why change owt” then said it’s working well - so when Ed said it’s not it showed up that he was stating an opinion rather than backed evidential research and facts. To come on tv and endorse a pie shop or say an opinion on farming is not a valid argument that solves the ethical environmental and substantiallity issues Ed raised. Zero argument waste of hot air is an “opinion” we don’t base being vegan on an “opinion”

[@InspirationDate]

I'm constantly blown away by how good a debater Ed is.

[@bhaveshsharma510]

+1

[@missdiamar3897]

Not a debater, rather a passive-aggressive manipulator.. 😆

[@Adelicows]

@@missdiamar3897 He was very direct and polite, and very clear on his intentions- literally the opposite of passive aggressive. And if you think this is manipulation, I think you need to go look up the definition of the word. You don't manipulate someone into being kind and compassionate. "Yes!! I tricked Miss Diamer into eating beans instead of a tortured animal!! I got her sooo good! She never saw it coming!!" Lmao.

[@Adelicows]

I'm constantly blown away by his ability to remain calm when speaking to some of the most selfish and stubbornly brainwashed people on earth.

[@missdiamar3897]

@@Adelicows you clearly don't follow scientific studies proving plants are sentient and self-aware.. 😏😄 He's manipulating, of course, I'm not fooling myself. It's a cult. It's not about being less cruel. Being judgemental and thinking you're better for eating alive and self-aware plants over dead meat that's done with suffering at the slaughter house has nothing to do with being less cruel. I've got nothing against it, you do you. I'm accepting life as God created it, and he created living beings to eat other living beings. Quite smart, considering we live on a globe in the middle of black nothingness of space.. everything is recycled. Cruelty is part of life. 🤷🏻‍♀️ You either accept it, or live life miserable trying to fight the laws of nature..

[@bumlegbooks5009]

She couldn’t even bring herself to say what happens. It just shows that your message is hitting. You are such an inspiration!!

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

She got a bit angry because she couldn't say what she really wanted to -- which was that she didn't give a flying crap about animals. There's just no getting through to those types.

[@roele2413]

its would've been too self-confronting and then you stay away from saying that. Ed should've said something like "You should really question yourself why you don't want to answer that question". She most probably would've dodged that question but it hopefully would've planted a seed. I sometimes really want to shake these people awake

[@pmaster1173]

Notice she said locally grown "food". It's disassociating the identify from victim, very common thing murderers do. They will refer to them as "the child" or "the girl" and not call them by their name.

[@positivesquad]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 Yeah I wish meat eaters were honest. Because I personally dont give a shit about most animals.

[@theantiveganchannel3596]

that obese women does not even eat a meat based diet she clearly following a junk food american plant diet i.e mc donalds which 1 big mac meal is 95% plant sludge

[@_joam_]

Gotta love the 'freedom of choice' argument. That could justify literally any immoral act imaginable.

[@daryasavchenko6288]

imagine coming to the court for rape or murder and using this argument... 😂

[@walnoemispoyt5604]

Don't be unintelligent. Freedom of choice is already with the assumption that the choices you make are lawful/moral. The discussion can only be progressed when the two parties have established common ground in terms of what is a moral framework. The problem is that Ed Winter's framework is logically flawed. I can explain why Ed's framework is flawed but that would be a lot of writing.

[@daryasavchenko6288]

@@walnoemispoyt5604 it was a joke... and at least I am unintelligent enough to not put moral and lawful together as synonyms

[@walnoemispoyt5604]

@@daryasavchenko6288 Are you a vegan? If not then I have no interest. Say something that actually adds to the conversation of veganism.

[@gogogoldfischli]

@@walnoemispoyt5604 if you dont mind doing the writing, id be bery interested in hearing your arguments for why his framework is flawed

[@isaweesaw]

You blew it out the park Ed. All they could talk about was "they have the right to choose", but none of them could actually explain why eating meat was a better choice. Hopefully well-informed listeners will make the switch thanks to you

[@TheWorldTeacher]

✌🏼

[@ultralightcam6963]

Exactly

[@hiking1388]

They love the UK but not the UK's natural environment, I would say it's shocking how little people care for the environment but considering the state of the world it makes perfect sense. It's just odd and bewildering to hear it on tv, I swear caring about the environment or the pain of animals, it's like having an extra sense, like trying to explain sight to someone born completely blind. Weird to hear a brexiteer try to spin brexit as potentially being better for both farmers and vegans, because like "control" and "choice" but meh whatever, he's gotta defend his stance.

[@isaweesaw]

@@hiking1388 Exactly! What exactly are the conservatives conserving anyway? Not our environment, not health, not moral food choices, global food security etc. Ed should've clapped back with "it may be a choice but it's not a good choice". Maybe a bit snappy for his style though

[@AlistairCrooks44]

She deflected his Qs like a proper politician. When all you can do to respond to someone is "well I think people should make their own minds up", you know you've got nothing.

[@rossomaguire17]

Please dont ever stop this message, Ed. Its basic logic, vast amounts of contradiction stand in your way but youre doing an awesome job.

[@TheWorldTeacher]

✌🏼

[@rutherford5619]

Is he tho? I mean he convinced me into veganism and out of it. (Well jordan peterson had hand in that) but the point is veganism is now a cult

[@timbrown3560]

@@rutherford5619 how is veganism a cult? 😂

[@TheWorldTeacher]

@@rutherford5619, so, you ADMIT that you’re an animal-abusing criminal, Mr. Dog-eater? 😬🙄😬

[@lizrogers4819]

@@rutherford5619 Define 'cult'?

[@leonardoterzani9639]

Ed: providing strong arguments in favour of living a vegan lifestyle. Non-vegans: "Do you mean you want to make meat illegal??? We are free to choose!!!". No counter-arguments, only a clear need to get defensive. Well done Ed

[@adamwood87]

yeah, i thought that was a sly gotcha question. i'm glad, at least, Ed got the "taste or life" query in there.

[@AvengerNk]

Bunch of clowns in a studio

[@minimal-vegan]

and not calling them out about not having any real arguments …

[@pauldavies9360]

Its a typical strategy to get defensive and fabricate a personal attack as a victim once people lose all their arguments . Its a way to escape for them.

[@heretohavefun5646]

Was just about to write this comment

[@davidramms]

They all listen to Ed's heartwarming story of how he came to have respect for defenceless animals, and the stuff they come out with is like "I'm not a vegan because I like pies". Imagine being that self-obsessed. Great work Ed.

[@atomkriegreinigungs7737]

Another great vegan activist. "There's a great pie shop where I live" as if that's an argument. Plus she can have her damn pies veganized 🙄

[@thePANDEMlC]

Most vegans started that way though. Hard to see his point when the blinders are still fully attached.

[@Nattbad]

Cognitive dissonance is a very real thing... I just recently came to the conclusion that veganism is the only moral choice (and still struggling to go completely vegan), so I can sympathize with them. In this case they're also on live television with limited time to speak, so everyone just sticks to their planned talking points. Hopefully Ed made some of the viewers give it some serious thought, though.

[@GeddyRC]

That’s a great summary right there and it’s immensely frustrating. People who just want to keep stuffing their face and doing whatever, like there’s no greater cause out there. Just keep shoveling meat and cheese and ordering off Amazon and buying slave labor electronics. Life of luxury. The deeper you go down that rabbit hole, a word of warning, it gets very lonely and extremely depressing when you see how few people care about anything other than the next five minutes of their pleasure. And some claim humans are “more evolved” than non-human animals. HA. Yeah that’s why we’re all killing ourselves with greed and destroying everything else in the process, despite having the scientific knowledge to know we’re doing it, and still being unwilling to change.

[@pathofthetrickster]

Its okay cos its a local pork pie 🙄😂😂😂

[@acyutanandadas3966]

"I agree with everything Ed says, but.." "Look, you're making great arguments, but.." "It's fantastic that you're educating people, but.."

[@ariella118]

Lol, exactly. Cognitive dissonance at its finest. "I agree with everything you said but I'm not going to be vegan because it tastes good." Hopefully Ed planted some seeds and they eventually realize what they're doing is wrong.

[@GeddyRC]

“But…. I like pies.” That woman really got Ed there. She likes pies? Oh good lord. And of course everyone laughs because this is the world we live in. They make vegan pies, people. I just had one and it was amazing.

[@ariella118]

@@GeddyRC "pies tho," haha that's a new one!

[@danadaurey24]

@@GeddyRC THE BUT'S ARE SO REAL AND HURT MY HEART!! It negates EVERYTHING before it. I have eliminated B U T from my vocabulary! Every time I hear it, it feels like my soul is getting scratched.

[@Lozwave]

its true.. absolving themselves of responsibility.. from the damage it causes to the environment, their own health and the animals welfare and lives etc

[@aruna394]

“How are those animals killed Jenny? Tell me how they are killed” Definitely put her on the spot and shows how weak her argument was. Well done Ed.

[@ZenoErwt]

Too bad the format didn't let her really respond.

[@jamesjohnson2394]

@@ZenoErwt BBC for you.

[@YekaterinaMezhennaya]

I think he might actually have pressed a little bit too hard there... As it was mentioned before, the format is limited and it was clear from the start that Ed will not make her change her mind. The job in a situation like that is to present the arguments as strong and clear as possible for the viewers at home and avoid giving people reasons to say that vegans are terrorists.

[@RaveNheart249]

she obviously knows it's something that is not ethical otherwise she would have said it with no worries

[@ZenoErwt]

@@YekaterinaMezhennaya not saying you are wrong. But she did ask him to convince her.. So he tried.. But wasn't allowed the time to follow through. Oh well.. At least he got a tiny bit of stage

[@FamilyFreedom]

Well done Ed. I love how Nick tried to suck you in at the end with the 'would you restrict meat eating' and you didn't fall for it, great stuff 👍

[@dogwklr]

Yea, what about his little fake vegan restaurant, you should check out the reality of this man. He's just a shill who works with companies and investors that sell lots of meat

[@juliewake4585]

@@dogwklr the vegan restaurant is a charity that is used to fund the rescue place they have.

[@gula_rata]

Once animals get the right that they are non-human persons, I would ban eating meat, because it is murdering a person.

[@jonstollard484]

A great example of how hard it is to argue against Veganism. Brilliantly calm and collected as always Ed, love what you do. 👍

[@andrewdalton5988]

Ed indeed deserves respect for being calm and collected. But it's not difficult to perceive at least two erroneous claims of veganism: 1) non-human animals are persons, 2) eating meat is murder. Unfortunately, Ed holds this extremist view.

[@MM-mu5pz]

Eating animals is morally indefensible and everyone with a brain knows it.

[@MM-mu5pz]

@Danny it is hard to get people to understand that humans ARE animals. So we have no more inherent value in the universe than a chicken. It is reality. Hard to accept, but a fact.

[@andrewdalton5988]

@@MM-mu5pz You write, "Eating animals is morally indefensible and everyone with a brain knows it." Of course, many non-human animals have a brain but don't know that it is morally indefensible to eat animals. You are right to imply, though, that human beings ought to be held to a higher moral standard than irrational animals. But that contradicts the vegan claim that there is no essential difference between human and non-human animals. You write that "humans ARE animals." Yes, they are rational animals. Non-human animals are irrational animals. Our rational nature is precisely what sets us apart from irrational beasts. Since we are capable of abstract intellection, which is not reducible to brain activity, we must be endowed with an immaterial soul. Thus, the value of human beings is incommensurable with the value of non-human animals.

[@andrewdalton5988]

​@Danny By assessing distinctive behaviors, we may ascertain distinctive ontological beings: inanimate objects, plants, animals, persons. Rocks aren't plants: they are not endowed with a sentient nature. Plants aren't animals: they do not move themselves. Animals aren't persons: they are not endowed with a rational nature. Nor do they have an inviolable right to life. In fact, they are ordered to human flourishing.

[@michaela5932]

They were incredibly rude and dismissive of everything Ed said. They were only defensive and gave their millions of excuses and wouldn’t even touch upon the subject of animal cruelty. This left me so angry at how close minded people are but he really has the perfect responses every time. He was the perfect person for this

[@ariasworld9991]

Every television host is like that 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 I hate it. They should have pit at least one person who likes this planet and wants to do better!

[@agentm00se]

4 people frantically clutching at straws, trying to figure out some way to justify being a completely selfish c**t

[@zustuf]

Very rude.

[@Steven-ze2zk]

They were not rude at all.

[@futurerush2560]

@@agentm00se We’re going to see this more and more now, moving forward. The meat eaters are no longer claiming veganism isn’t better for the planet; the honest ones aren’t even saying it’s not more ethical or healthier. They will clutch to this narrative of “we concede all that, but freedom of choice tho”

[@RB-87]

"Vegans may not be heathy" Nick Ferrari sat there like a basitian of heath and wellbeing.

[@SlotCar2021]

Maybe a plant based diet might reverse his clogged arteries 😄.

[@Edaryion]

Hah. 😁

[@girlplanetboy]

You have spelt 'bastard' in a very peculiar way.

[@sophiemurfitt2988]

😂😂😂

[@peterhalliday6492]

😬

[@jinxterx]

Difficult to not get angry when dealing with such bigoted and close-minded people. Bought your book today!

[@tvedits3644]

please have compassion and understanding for them as well. after all, this could have been most of us if someone didn't take the time and understanding to explain to us what was happening to the animals

[@jinxterx]

@@tvedits3644 True, but we're literally running out of time. Action is needed right now.

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

@@tvedits3644 These are people who have scratched and clawed their way to the top of Mainstream Media, where it takes a lack of morals to reach. They have an agenda that does not include caring about animals. I consider them a different species of subhuman, with many being psychopaths.

[@SourceChan]

You've clearly never had a conversation with a bigot lmao. Did you know approx half the population is politically right wing? Wake up buddy, you guys make everyone an enemy by ostracizing everyone that doesn't agree with you.

[@tvedits3644]

@@jinxterx absolutely, I completely agree with you. we are in this fight together. however, it does appear that compassion and listening to the other side are more effective when wanting to create change through conversation otherwise, you're arguing with people's egos instead of morals.

[@moomoos8sweets]

The fact that she didn't say the whole title of the book when introducing it ("This is vegan propaganda" instead of "This is vegan propaganda - and other lies the meat industry tells you", which obviously changes everything) really set the tone for this interview and showed her ignorance and total lack of care for the topic

[@Kaz.2719]

Ed, you’ve ruined consuming animal products for me. Thank you. My vegan journey begins today

[@user-dz4lt5zy6m]

Thanks for watching send a direct message right away on the above number immediately ☝️💙☝️ for enlightenment:••

[@virtuaIcat]

@@user-dz4lt5zy6m bruh

[@Andrea-movies]

😀😀😀👏👏👏👏

[@nittygritty5251]

Cheers

[@evilsbrother8247]

Would you agree if a diet requires supplements that by consequence its deficient?

[@vascojose1265]

This was really hard to see and I honestly I'm embarassed by humanity overall. You're a very strong guy Ed. Keep going, we're really proud of the person you are!

[@Zeltik]

"I once cooked a vegan roast! (and a turkey)" "I couldn't go vegan because I like pork pies" "I respect vegans but it's too twicky :( " "It's my choice to eat meat and support the animal farming industry" Wow, you really sat through just about everything on the excuses bingo card in one go there lol. Thanks for everything you do, this was a really tough position to be in

[@alexkaapa]

so many incoherent points condensed into ten minutes, with a few sane responses by ed sprinkled in

[@aaronmerkel5216]

Someone needs to make bingo cards for this.

[@chrissiannecarpenter9871]

Ancestors tho.....lol...even that one thrown in.

[@mikeuttermohlen946]

You're one of my favorite KZbinrs, and seeing you in the comments section of an EE video has made my day.

[@zakhaddad5222]

hahah i know what a joke, terrible excuses, because there is no justification

[@ThoseHappyDays]

Was that 4 or 5 non vegans, debating 1 vegan...makes for great TV. Ed Winters always handles this situation really well, and articulates the facts calmly and eloquently. Ed always reaffirms that socratic method, empathy and compassion, despite adversity, is always best 👌 🙏

[@Yoctopory]

I can't help but feel a bit sorry for these people. You can see by the way they react that they are feeling threatened by the truth.

[@danadaurey24]

I love people and i don't feel sorry for them. I think I am pmsing. i see the love in EVERYONE and right now I am yelling at them through my laptop. freedom of choice!? I mean come on :( :( :( the animals are no less than us, and they don't get to choose. anyhoot, I wanna meditate and get back to loving and feeling sorry for these people.

[@dr.c2195]

@@danadaurey24 To be fair though, the animals could not choose to eat pie from that specific business anyway. So their life has no meaning. Only pie has meaning, and only from that specific business.

[@stevengarcia3233]

Seriously! They can’t take that someone younger and smarter is literally trying to educate them 😂

[@calebdanteolivieri]

the ending was the best. when Ed's like "we're allowed to have a conversation" These folks did not give him a conversation. and the other guy with his "people have the right" lol

[@frostxr]

Because deep inside they know they are wrong. That is why they lash out.

[@jhunt5578]

Ed is the Vegan Jesus not just because of his appearance but he has the patience of a saint.

[@cipherklosenuf9242]

NOT so fast Mr. Jh5578…Would Ed curse a fig tree, causing it to wither and die, for not producing fruit…out of SEASON🤬 ? Jesus DID, (he was hungry) 😩And, can you imagine Ed casting a demon out of a man and into a herd of swine that subsequently stampede over a cliff and DROWN😈 ! Not Earthling Ed…at least not the swine part. I don’t think Ed would do multiplying fish feed either 🤔. Nevertheless, one wonders if Ed’s appearance contributes to his ethical persuasion. Good point that. He mostly challenges people to accept what they believe already and act upon it.

[@clay2k452]

Yep, he is the second Jesus. The first one taught us to be kind to one another. He is teaching us to be kind to animals.

[@jhunt5578]

@@cipherklosenuf9242 I don't mean it literally. I'm an athiest. Went to a Christian schools and saw through that nonsense as a teen.

[@ZackCollis]

yeah this guy is really special, no one does the job better

[@cipherklosenuf9242]

@@jhunt5578 🧐😆 I’m atheist too. But I deconstructed much later than you. It’s amazing how long it took me to simply acknowledge that people write books. I was just messing around, meant no offense. It’s tricky to communicate that with just writing.

[@sarshar9614]

So many ways of saying “I agree completely with you Ed but I have no intention of changing”. You came across really well, Ed ❤️

[@Nasher1976PSN]

"We must think about farmers jobs" The same thing was said about slave traders jobs

[@lolollololol2758]

This is one of the things i keep coming back to in my head - its just a thinly veiled way of denying your moral predisposition to oppression. No one today would say that the abolition of slavery was a great injustice to those enslavers who made a livelihood of it as we now recognise that form of oppression to be wrong. I wonder if in 50-100 years time people will look back on farmers in the same way?

[@cynicalidealist11]

Yeah it's stupid. Jobs change as the times change.

[@jansoltes971]

Also about child labour in 19th century Europe. They claimed that without child labour economies would collapse.

[@evilsbrother8247]

Imagine having such a weak arguement for veganism that you need to use human slavery as an analogy.

[@evilsbrother8247]

@@jansoltes971 child labour is still happening in about 70 countries. I guarantee you are wearing their suffering. Just another tangible example of vegan hypocrisy especially when vegans consider themselves the arbiters of everything moral. LOL.

[@matty_mather]

It’s painful hearing the same old arguments against veganism. Ed you handled this brilliantly... I can’t count how many times I eye rolled every time they spoke... well done as always 👍🏼

[@marsgreen948]

He is brilliant !

[@theantiveganchannel3596]

those people are junk food plant based dieters almost a vegan

[@vgloveforlife]

People are such sheep, and afraid to think deeply and be different. It's depressing.

[@MinaFentany]

right?? i watch videos like these so rarely (for mental health reasons lmao), and I had to check the date of this video half-way through, bc, "weak bones", "is veganism even healthy"? am i back in 2015? i thought this was common knowledge by now... one google search and you'll know vegans can thrive on their diet...

[@Maxry-v2y]

Battlecry of Bacon always, I’ll fight for my god given right to eat meat, drink ,smoke and get laid ,all I want to disregard for everything else

[@zetetiko]

I'm sure that the most part of viewers that cares for animals and logical thinking must go vegan after listening to you. Thank you Ed!

[@preasidium13]

I wouldn’t say listening to someone refute bad arguments is necessarily grounds to think veganism is better. If you really want to know what’s true, then engage with the best arguments the opposition has to offer. if their responses still seem lacking, then you have a very strong reason to believe that veganism is true.

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

The types of subhuman psychopaths featured on Mainstream Media don't give a hang about animals and are unable to think logically. They can only be persuaded with huge cash bonuses and spotlights.

[@SourceChan]

People like you are making me consider stopping being vegan.

[@leonardothomson8309]

It's crazy how educated people just throw all rationality out of the window when it comes to Veganism. The pinnacle of ignorance.

[@rodionraskolnikov3853]

Well, veganism isn’t rational because it's founded on the emotion of empathy.

[@GoonaTVhi]

@@rodionraskolnikov3853 yep, in nature, animals do not care for each other, they care about survival, it just so happens we are Apex predators who are able to eat whatever meat we want.

[@joseftollar6213]

@@rodionraskolnikov3853 Can I ask you a question? What is a trait that is true of animals, that if true of humans would justify killing them for food?

[@joseftollar6213]

@@GoonaTVhi Animals aren’t held to the same standards as humans because they can’t rationalize their actions. Animals do plenty of things that are unacceptable for humans to do so I don’t think the appeal to nature works. Some animals eat each other but I doubt you are in favour of cannibalism.

[@rodionraskolnikov3853]

@@joseftollar6213 Animals are killed because they lack humanness in mind as well as form.

[@jakobnorris]

Imagine being put on the spot against 4 meat eaters on a TV show where you as the minority doesn't control the flow of the show and are being cut off all the time... Good job, Ed, everyone knows coming on a show like that is not easy!

[@jansojele289]

And being constantly accused of wanting to control other people's way of living for no reason

[@neniugrava]

@@jansojele289 "But it's my choice, and everyone has the right to choose for themselves to be a slave-owner or not." /s These people have literally no idea how to argue in a meaningful way. Nothing but fallacies and bad arguments punctuated by forced references to brexit.

[@celestea1501]

GRINDS MY GEARS when people are like "I absolutely respect your decision to be vegan but we can all make our own choices" it's so dismissive

[@Jaco9307]

Live and let live only works if you let live

[@zodd67]

Yep an easy cop out, I like to ask them what if Jeffrey Dahmer said that about his choices. If respond with something like humans are not animals (they are) then it's the name the trait argument which is not possible to win.

[@hiking1388]

Not that long ago, everyone (especially in my leftwing town) would be so hateful of anyone driving a Hummer. Yes it's their choice in regard to what car they buy, but they're still selfish pricks because they could choose a car a little better for the environment. But no, merely for their pleasure, they choose to be as destructive as possible. Food is even more necessary than owning a car, and animal agriculture worse for the environment than all forms of transportation combined. It may be their "choice", but we're all going to suffer from so many people making such selfish choices. And this includes ofc themselves suffering, not that they care. I know people who've had massive flood damage (recent flooding caused by climate change), and they'd never go vegan to help out. I just don't understand people.

[@flowerpower7288]

Choosing to abuse 😖

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

@@zodd67 At least Jeffrey Dahmer played good host to his victims first before drugging them. You can't say the same for anyone who tortures and abuses animals.

[@NoInjusticeLastsForever]

6:44 If you're not eating animal products you'd be replacing with plants instead. That's like saying "If you stop punching humans for entertainment, there will be no fun in life." No, just go do something fun without a victim.

[@cloudysensation8406]

Lmao thats a brilliant comparison

[@izarahiahtaylor7375]

To be fair I do like boxing😂

[@diningomane8894]

You did a stellar job Ed😊😊. Speaking as a young South African woman who's a vegan in an environment where this is very abnormal, you just reinforced why I became a vegan in the first place.

[@govegan0424]

Your courage is very commendable. I can't even imagine what that is like for you. While nothing like being a vegan in South Africa, I can empathize with you. Small midwest town who's "vegan" restaurant serves half of its menu with meat. Thankfully I can cook!

[@butterflythe]

Kudos Dini. I'm with you.

[@bhavikasicka3098]

More power to you! You are a trailblazer.

[@cynthiavint5878]

wtf, 4 non-vegans against one vegan, and the moderator was against the vegan too? and they were constantly interrupting him. this was just gross propaganda. perfect example of why ed had to write this book

[@robertcohen8554]

They will get karma.

[@SourceChan]

Wow, poor Ed, my heart breaks everytime he has to talk to more than one non-vegan at a time booohooo :'(

[@jallen911]

It’s funny now that the vegan argument is so strong in fact and logic that meat eaters rarely are ever able to be logically consistent

[@cgbodytube]

Literally. Been vegan 20 years and had hundreds of conversations and I hand on heart don't believe there is any logical counter.

[@niallscanlon5593]

So essentially that argument against veganism was "It's our personal choice to cause unnecessary suffering"... Doesn't take much to see the problem with that. Ed is a legend and handled this amazingly.

[@adamwood87]

the unfortunate part is the "personal choice tho" argument is what will resonate with the largely carnist audience. for anyone who lacks an innate philosophical mindset, they will never ask themselves "what action could not be justified using personal choice?"

[@suicune2001]

Yep, which is why I think he should expand the question. It's not JUST "Is taste worth more than life of an animal?" It's "Is taste worth more than the life of an animal, the health of the planet we live on, and the health of yourself and your loved ones?" Because zoonotic disease is more rampant than people know and that disease is very much a hazard to yourself and your family. It would be ludicrous for someone for willingly and knowingly want to cause that kind of suffering to their spouse and children. (even though I know it does happen.) And that guy who was on about sheep and stuff at the end looks like a walking heart attack or stroke waiting to happen.

[@cynicalidealist11]

They didn't actually make an argument for that, they just made a statement. They have yet to actually provide an argument for why it ought to be a personal choice. An argument meaning a set of premises and a conclusion.

[@niallscanlon5593]

@@cynicalidealist11 yup, that's a very good point. 👍

[@daniellomas3783]

@@mattyp2271 I think you’ll find that in civilisation they are enslaved, kept in large indoor factories, tortured, raped etc before then being killed at a young healthy age. I think I’d prefer to live free in nature to then be eaten alive when I get too weak.

[@sborg6779]

Brilliant Ed. I’m a farmer’s daughter,I saw first hand calves taken away from their mothers a day after birth, the crying for each other till the mother became hoarse and heartbroken. I’m a mother and I weep for all those I had to listen to as a child.

[@tom4412]

Bet your popular at family get- togethers 🙄

[@Adelicows]

@@tom4412 you are correct. Nobody wants to be reminded that they are making animals suffer (while also destroying the planet and their health in the process), especially when they know that they are willfully causing harm for no reason other than selfishness. In all seriousness, that can be very difficult for some people to accept.

[@ej9618]

It’s so rare to hear about people raised within that industry realizing the cognitive dissonance required to continue animal agriculture. You rock!

[@johns9315]

What an absolute load of bullcrap you talk 😂 the only time dairy cows will bellow out is if they are in heat moved to unfamiliar surroundings ie another farm or if they are late being fed or milked, I'm a 4th gen dairy farmer an been around them 40+ years and not one have they "cried" as you put it for there calf, you're just making up yet more propaganda the only thing v/activists-ARA cult are able to do just like braindead Ed does!

[@GandalfTheSilver]

@@johns9315 Huh, is that why in numerous interviews with dairy farmers, the dairy farmers always make a point about the window of time that mothers bellow for the calfs when asked about it? All mammals have maternal instincts, especially ones as cognitively complex as cows. I think the only person bullshitting here is the person with the financial motivation to lie and bury the ugly truth.

[@rahulaggarwal7296]

Earthling Ed is by far the most affective and intelligent vegan activist! Well done for what you do and keep spreading the word about conscience and mindful eating.

[@pseudohuman2645]

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[@Nanashi-sz6wc]

@@pseudohuman2645 Aged like milk lmao

[@NoSmoke1]

​@@Nanashi-sz6wcwhat happened?