LL Cool J Vs. Canibus: Who REALLY Won?

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[@theconsigliere8463]

Canibus is one of those rare talented artists that never got the exposure he deserved. He should have been much bigger than he ever got.

[@TheCruzan26]

I like Canibus until that shitty ass CD came out in 98. SMH

[@swansmeister]

you talking about notepad man cansuckybus

[@LynxStarAuto]

West coast Dre I would say LL makes the top 15. His first two albums are legendary, and he was HUGE for a while there.

[@Tybear-qz4bx]

@West coast Dre what the freak are you even trying to say. Next time please use proper English before posting, thanks

[@jameleason8200]

Cruzan26 his second cd 2000 BC was a major improvement.

[@king-gon]

Canibus did end up borrowing that Mic. His name is Mike Tyson.

[@templeofserenity7184]

Cahlin D. 😂😂😂

[@eoinconnors9901]

Fuck thats good

[@LizardMane]

he should have said "my mike is bigger than yours"

[@ReJayJJ]

@@LizardMane "You goin at an iron mic with the ink type right ? Ya'll can fist fight while I lyrically smite"

[@terhat5543]

Canibus is one of the illest lyricist that never got his dues,, not many can touch

[@theycallmemelemel]

WOW! 300yrs later and I finally know the whole story! I always thought it was solely about the tattoo line, but it was actually a lot deeper than that. I remember being a teenager and thinking that LL won, but after hearing the back story, I have to give the W to Canibus! How was the young new guy more classy and more mature than the veteran? He showed respect, honored LL's request, was patient, got stabbed in the back and did what any young hungry rapper would have done after being lied to.

[@seankiesling2054]

This I used to think LL won too when I was a teen

[@travse2577]

LL Cool J smashed canibus and canibus career flop his album didn't do what the label expected and they moved on. Canibus couldn't make hit records. Outside of his battle with LL he ain't known for nothing really Else industry wise. Canibus lost as a industry artist. Plus LL diss was more personal and truthful. I mean if they had met in person and fought I see LL stomping canibus out. Canibus would probably just take it too he looks up to LL too.

[@scottcarter2914]

Man cannabis has had beef with 4 or 5 rappers. He even took shots at ‘Em 🤣🤣

[@kennethwatson9115]

LMAOFF!!! 300 years later though😂😂

[@giovannicocchi5299]

300 years later ..had me laughing so phuking hard 😂🤣

[@brianturner496]

LL took advantage of canibus He knew he looked up to him

[@OfficialChrissums]

@Mr. No Weapon (The Prince Of The Talkbox) lmao log off LL we didnt forget about "accidental racist"

[@championdesigns]

23:50 When LL invited Canibus onstage, Canibus should have said, “L, is that a mic on your arm? Let me borrow that!” Hahaha

[@expansivegymnast1020]

LMAO YES!

[@Gsweetwyne]

😂🤣😂🤣 I definitely would have hahahaha

[@harveyquinn3535]

Eminem had a bar about LL cool Js arm too. “A hellspawn, dropping a stealth bomb, 6 mics in the source, they borrowed one from LLs arm”

[@ImxMiLLzx]

That phone call sounded like LL just didn’t want the smoke

[@jamiephiniezy4697]

He really didn't, L was weak as fuck for that bullshit...

[@a.c.slater7989]

@@jamiephiniezy4697 LL was talking greasy to him

[@schizoframia4874]

He sounded like a pussy

[@MonsieurDePhocas.]

Dont disrespect LL like that fool. You talking about a fucking legend in Hip Hop

[@ImxMiLLzx]

@@MonsieurDePhocas. lmao popularity don’t mean shit and if you a real hiphop head you would know that anyone can catch the smoke in battle, legend or not. LL did some chump shit and Canibus had to let him know wassup

[@alfonzo9389]

That was a snake move by LL

[@cj_ssfsm]

Yup😎

[@eyeThink11]

Really was tho

[@manolopmb]

Definitely was a hoe move

[@dtill5322]

Definitely he played that young man

[@a.c.slater7989]

@@dtill5322 It was bad sure but he told canibus to chill and they’ll do a song. Canibus couldn’t do that

[@sx2ap]

LL definitely overreacted. Canibus asked to borrow the Mic for strength, outta respect. Idk why LL couldn't understand that

[@marceldrazil3839]

THE_Cali2VA At this time LL was on The Source cover holding five mics and with crown on his head. Remember Bis saying: "I'll snatch the crown with ya head still attached to it. Canibus is the type to fight for mics.." That was the reason LL "overreacted".

[@rcut420]

Cuz "get ur own shit". That's why

[@HOTVBARSCHOOL]

@@marceldrazil3839 no dude. That was said on the 2nd rd diss after all the corn shit LL did

[@marceldrazil3839]

HOTV BARSCHOOL He said it on 4,3,2,1.

[@davidhues1304]

Nah B. You tell someone lemme borrow that when you robbing their ass

[@tybruton725]

Honestly, Canibus won. He said he would flip LL with a .45 and he did with his own mic the moment he got Iron Mike to get on the mic. He basically went to get a bigger name, who still holds title in the ring. Having Mike speak on it was more than enough to rip the Def outta Def jam. I'm a fan of both but while LL got the star power, Canibus definitely knew he had to get someone with more and where he won at, was he knew everyone loves Iron Mike so he made LL's deepest fans love him more vicariously without them even knowing; even if they ain't hear his diss. Basically, he used a silent bomb and blew up his camp using the greatest champ in boxing. After all, he let be on the track where he dissed him and the album sold, that's cold. So, yeah he won without having to bite the hand that fed him hands down. Understand, it was Iron Mike who referenced def not Canibus think about that for a second.

[@juanitagartley937]

Smart of Cannibus. Mike sealed the victory. LL should've publicly admitted his fault.

[@danielnelson3136]

First of all, great video and coverage of the rap beef and diss tracks between Cassidy and LL Cool J. Honestly, IMO, so far in my life, of all the rap beefs I've heard, this one takes the cake of being THE MOST CORNIEST RAP BEEF EVER!! My god, all this started because of some corny microphone tattoo on LL Cool J's arm??? Christ, if I was Cassidy, I'd just keep the conversation short, ask about the meanings of the tattoos, and do my thing, or just STFU, small talk anything other than that, and just do my rapping part and leave. Holy hell! I actually cringed that this was a rap beef. Is this real life?! Was that an actual thing?!🤣 From my understanding, tattoos originate from native tribes and tribalism of the early history of humanity. Tattoos are a symbol of a warrior's achievement of either killing and hunting an animal, or a killing of a rival warrior of another tribe, a part of the coming of age ceremony for young boys and girls, a part of animal worship and nature worship of nature based deities, and finally certain strange tattoo markings like those jagged lightning like markings are also based on visual hallucinations off of say psilocybin mushrooms or other types of psychedelics, which when that tribesmen is under the effects and sees the patterns onto their body, they then tattoo and try to imitate and embody what they saw upon their bodies. Fast forwards past ancient civilizations, empires and imperialism, the medieval dark ages, colonialism, and finally onto the 80's up to today, tattoos have gained far more additional meanings. From a person/group mostly at stage blue of spiral dynamics, tattoos which symbolize their nation and country are acceptable, or even national iconography, although some percentage of traditionalists and conservatives might actually have more negative than positive views of tattoos in general. Those who have more stage orange values may have reasons that are individualistic and personal to that person's ego, that the tattoo they gain is a sign of some achievement, or a lover's name, or some other reason that's individualistic to that person, and even the tattoo industry and business providers who's stage orange/green are giving these tattoos in exchange of currency and money, a transactional relationship of the customer and tattoo artist, which vastly differs from the stage purple tribalism of giving tattoos as a coming of age ceremony, or related to nature and animal worship. Finally in context to the video, in terms of the black community, of black culture, gang culture and some overlap of mafia and cartel cultures in this timeline of Hip Hop including gangs off of the streets, the ghettos and projects and that type of culture, which is mostly based around stage red in values, typical values range from dominance seeking, power struggles, power dynamics, boasting, show boating, conquest seeking and so on, the egotism is far more higher and emergent off of the stage purple tribalism, when a few members gain more self awareness and selfishness to desire their own tribes and their own groups to lead. At stage red motivations to get tattoos are to symbolize the number of murders(tears for example), number of thefts or robberies, maybe to symbolize a gang initiation, which some do echo back onto tribalism, and to symbolize gain of power to other members to show them you actually did some criminal acts and that you are worthy in that group. I do think that LL Cool J's tattoos are less stage red but more stage orange, to symbolize his achievements so far as a rapper unless there were a few tats that did symbolize a criminal act of some kind. IMO it's alright that he tattoos a microphone just to symbolize his skills as an Emcee, but it's just weird to me. My understanding of the following modals and history for the above: Spiral Dynamics stages of development(Don Beck), cognitive and moral development, personality types/traits(Myers Briggs and Big Five personality traits modal), 9 stages of ego development(Jane Loevinger), Architypes(Carl Jung), Integral Theory's other lines of development in personal life to societal domains(Ken Wilbur), ideological beliefs indoctrinated and gas lighted by social and cultural programming, family upbringing, information ecology(social media sites like Tik Tok, Twitter, KZbin, mainstream/alternative news sources, TV programs, radios, books, education system, communities et cetera...) and metanarratives that shape and influence our worldviews, and somewhat leveraged by companies to manufacture consent(Noam Chomsky) of the population and consumers.

[@isiacfrost5922]

Poor canibus he didn’t really deserve that at all! That was kind of fucked up! Canibus should’ve just did his verse a little differently and he would have never went through this!💯

[@jameshamilton8720]

Honestly....him(Canibus) saying "let me borrow that" (the microphone on LL's arm) *SHOULD'VE NEVER SEEN A DISS* to LL and at the time LL was dropping songs like "Who Shot Ya" and other hardcore songs so of course LL knows what he was doing.

[@danbruno5945]

But then 2nd round knockout would never have happened That Diss track is part of hip hop history, let's me honest sadly he was never going to be mainstream and a big seller so that Diss track is what makes him relevant today

[@EdgeO419]

He literally rerecorded his verse and took out the mic line and LL being the sensitive asshole he is still went in afterwards to record his lines dissing him anyways. All of this shit stems from LL being petty.

[@elydot8693]

Canibus is the student with a master mind. A skilled wordsmith who knew his potential. The most underrated MC in this culture, do to bias opinions.

[@mr.wright9867]

That's fine to me....i'd rather have 8 albums where i had complete control over lyrically and concept wise than be a slave to record companies.

[@shauncameron8390]

@@mr.wright9867 Except LL was given plenty of creative freedom during his time in the mainstream. More so than the average signed artist.

[@princechietan4908]

Can is the man

[@titsticklerthompson981]

Ely Dot do...😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@malachialrick8539]

Canibus all day

[@DoggyZworlD07]

Canibus won hands down lyrically. All LL did was boast about his cash and female fans. Canibus killed LL with proper diss bars 👍

[@savageshawn10]

Only reason why it appeared that LL won was because of the black balling of Canibus after...lyrically Canibus ripped him up. Pun intended

[@robertbruce4054]

DoggyZworlD07 I call bs ll bared that nigga up.

[@swansmeister]

@@savageshawn10 wahahahaha but when he battleraps he needs a notepad tho, LL bodied him bitch pls

[@vincentsmith4810]

@@swansmeister so he fucked up it happens ! But as an Emcee Id rather listen to Bis than most of these fools out now!

[@MrRef6]

LL killed canibus & I like canibus. This shit wasn’t even close. Stop it.

[@rotobaitorx8854]

You hear that crowd when cannibus came out😂😂😂 LL knew what he was doin still smacking him 😂😂🤣🤣

[@sMMAshzilla]

Very good video you've put together.. You didn't mention though that they brought in Master P to replace Canibus on the 4,3,2,1 song. Master P was also in one version of the video.

[@dbSteelyPhil]

Kind of sucks Bus got black balled in the industry. He's one of the greats with not enough exposure

[@jhm0688]

dbSteelyPhil Canibus is one dimensional. Sure he can rap and freestyle but he is a horrible songwriter. If you can’t write good songs it don’t matter how good lyrically you are. Lacrae for example is great lyrically and can write great songs. Canibus can only rap and freestyle.

[@SDSOverfiend]

@@jhm0688" Canibus can only rap and freestyle" You just killed your own argument. Hate correctly next time.

[@shauncameron8390]

@@SDSOverfiend But he's still right, though. Canibus could rap his ass off, but he was one-dimensional and his songwriting skills were non-existent.

[@SDSOverfiend]

@@shauncameron8390 Really? When his whole first album was panned for having too much subject matter and going too deep? Most of the songs had the tradition 3 verse and 3 hook pattern. He RECIEVED a Gold plaque for that album. Second album more hardcore. Third album was a satirical album. 4 album Mic Club was his best.. RIP THE JACKER WAS CONSIDERED HIS GREATEST piece of work and he wasn't even there for it. Be for real bro. The man was simply blackballed.

[@jackallport9024]

@@SDSOverfiend Dizaster bodied him, but i think 90% of his beats were booty cheeks

[@BroKhalidMuhammad]

I got Canibus winning the battle. The war aspect don't matter because it's not a battle over careers. It's a battle of lyricism

[@alfredjones9548]

BroKhalidMuhammad politics got involved

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

the battle extends to their entire lives once shit starts getting personal. they're not just trying to make music at that point or hurt each others' feelings, they're trying to destroy each other. so yeah it is a battle over careers, that's why there's a separate section for that. as for just the music, i don't think it's a battle of lyricism. hip hop is about more than just lyrics and flow. canibus is great in that sphere but his voice is still painful to listen to and his beats are always trash. it just doesn't sound good, it's hardly even musical. it's like pure rhythm, his voice is monotone and the beats are just not good instrumentals. at least LL's music sounds like music. the reason eminem is so legendary is because he has it ALL down, he doesn't neglect the melody and harmony. same with 2pac, he was one of the best lyricists of his time but his voice was also incredibly musical and most of his beats were just beautiful instrumentals in their own right. that's canibus' problem, his voice is not musical at all and his beats are soooo bad

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

which is too bad because he can't really change his voice much, his vocal range and the quality of his voice are not really in his control. but he could at least meet up with some decent producers. i think he just has bad music taste, he actually thinks his beats sound good

[@423mrjones]

I literally argued this morning about this

[@rajz9138]

Canibus lyrically dissected the beef & tore LL apart. He didn't need clever punchlines (even though he had some), he just threw the truth up in his face. One of the best diss tracks ever written when you see it in the context of the time it was written in.

[@tpacalypse]

Canibus won that battle. They didn't want him to win because LL was a star.

[@earnestwilliams148]

Yo ,L had the balls to go at iron mike and kept his teeth,that’s legendary baby lol

[@Hellismary]

I feel like LL overreacted over that shit , the nigga was paying homage and he took it all the way left imo. Canibus ripped that track apart 🔥🔥

[@elydot8693]

Lanier Burton I felt the same way about the whole situation, but when the ego is involved everybody loses. The reason why cannibus remains in the shadows as the most underrated MC, and LL is considered the "GOAT" in his own created fairytale world supported by bias opinions.

[@yikes7298]

RIGHT, and he's being a dick on that drink champs interview too

[@nickdorazio3018]

Exactly my thoughts true dat

[@chrishargrove3848]

Nathan Cifuentes He did on" I shot you".

[@nathancifuentes2448]

Chris Hargrove IMO NO ONE IN HIPHOP COULD FUCK WITH 2PAC , ONLY DMX & MAYB ICE CUBE

[@Messvayne]

Canibus won this battle, no question....LL ain't got bars like that

[@jameseu4486]

Can I doodoo in your cereal ll won dude respect the goat?

[@pimpenstein]

LMAO. No. LL roasted him beyond recognition on The Ripper Strikes Back

[@nooneasked6800]

@Droo Bastard Ll lost get over it canibus a better mc yall saying cool j won because he bigger

[@beaukito2169]

Didnt eminem ghost write "the ripper strikes back"? Canibus diss was way better but LL was just too big for canibus to handle. LL was a notorious battle mc in his prime though.

[@williams.5158]

You crazy.

[@jamesanderson4949]

This beef was legendary. Canibus was a new MC who was very lyrical. LL Cool J was already a Hip Hop icon. LL felt some kind of a way when Canibus rapped about taking the Mic tattoo off his arm. So LL dissed him in a verse . He asked Canibus to change the verse. Canibus did and then asked LL diss to change his verse . LL kept his diss verse on the final version of the song. That was pretty foul. I think LL let his ego get the best of him. It was petty and unnecessary. Canibus came with one of the hardest diss songs ever "2nd Round Knockout " . LL struck back with " The Ripper Strikes Back ". But Canibus won the battle .

[@shadycnetwork]

How did he win anything? He's not even heard of anymore. As I said in the previous comment, in the history of hip Hop that fool's not even a footnote.

[@shadycnetwork]

@Nevin Reid you crazy. Where is he at now? LL still rocking the world

[@kingghost6928]

@@shadycnetwork LL still lost the battle tho

[@crakka5150]

@@shadycnetwork lmao, it’s crazy how confident people like you can be while commenting such stupid shxt 😂 🤣

[@shadycnetwork]

@@crakka5150 dude that's my era I grew on HipHop. I'm not confident about much but I'm confident about my music. Canibus literally disappeared from the music scene.

[@kellyhurley741]

LL even gave Canibus a shout out on his album credits. Basically thanking him for sparking that hunger in him again. The only reason why Canibus’ career didn’t go further is (mainstream) because he put too much energy into his beefs. Dude was even going at it with Shady. Overall, I like 2nd Round Knockout more. S/o to both of them tho. Legends

[@sokatsuislap]

This takes me back. My friend was an LL fan and I was a Canibus fan. We use to argue while analyzing the diss tracks on who had better bars. At the end we would agree to disagree while still dissing each other. Canibus was right though 99% of LL fans wear high heels.

[@theophilusjones6024]

Not true at all

[@theophilusjones6024]

That’s like me saying LL is right, 99% of Canibus fans don’t exists.... and that’s more of an argument

[@melaninbotswana2474]

@@theophilusjones6024 ll showed that he couldn't stand toe to toe with canibus on bars that's why he acted cowardly and yes 99 percent of his fans wear high heels and he showed his body all the time just like today's woman who are almost naked on music videos it sells and all his love songs probably the only guy in rap who has the most love songs😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@RaheelTalk]

But LL was also right 99% of Canibus fans don't exist 😂😂

[@jordanprice9285]

@@RaheelTalk Yes, but y'all say that as if Canibus was rapping for years and just naturally sucked so he had no fans because of it when it's not the case. Plus, that's incorrect as there's PLENTY of Canibus fans even back when he was on features for the Lost Boys track that blew up and got him some attention and even with the 4,3,2,1 track that he had his verse on before the beef happened. Not to mention, look at the comments of this video, there are Canibus fans in here as well as most of them are rating Can higher and had the better diss than LL did which is facts.

[@johnWilliams-nn2iv]

Cannibis ripped the mic off his arm like thanos ripped the stone out of vision head

[@emmanuelobute5885]

lmfao!!!!!

[@TheGoyoloco87]

Bro you just kill it ...

[@jamesasante488]

Bars!!!

[@ChillHous1979]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@KvngLxo]

Canibus*

[@themusicman2005]

That line was creative, I feel LL was just intimidated. LL's verse was definitely a subliminal shot.

[@UPxYOURs2]

Let’s be honest LL was dead wrong for what he did to canibus 😂

[@derrickalexander9710]

Call a paramedic and tell em he pathetic/ His lyrics ain't energetic he sweet as a diabetic/ Man ll cooked canibus and I'm a fan of both but let's call it what it is.

[@KermitRice]

Nah B, grow up. Stay in your lane, create your style. Grow up!!!

[@DonP-gf5hn]

@@derrickalexander9710 people forget how much of a beast LL could be on the mic, that dude knocked the hell out of Canibus lol

[@user-pn6by7fh2t]

Canibus bodied the fatty like he his bi*ch🤣

[@edwardrussell9911]

@@DonP-gf5hn Especially In Battle Raps 🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️

[@mikophilo348]

this is not a debate...and definitely doesn't need 30 minutes to be answered. canibus won, game over!

[@abonbarksdale4505]

Miko Philo never in a million years

[@nooneasked6800]

@@abonbarksdale4505 you right he ready bodied Ll didnt take him a million years

[@curbyourenthusiazm]

Nigga we know! we want the story

[@orange-6109]

Nah it was a draw.

[@dommyyandfriendss]

Miko Philo WHAT ??? LL Cool J ended his career

[@davidsimmons4731]

Lyrically Canibus won. 2nd Rd Knockout is a top 10 dis track. But LL will be seen as the winner because of his status. LL was petty as hell for this beef

[@averyt6521]

David Simmons LL won

[@emmanuelteshome2469]

AVERY TATE He used the industry to blacklist Canibus. LL got destroyed by Canibus.

[@averyt6521]

Jarred Thorpe that's wat they say. LL said his side. But u don't come on my record saying nothing that is worse. If I invite u in my stuff n u on playing me then I'ma play u.

[@emmanuelteshome2469]

AVERY TATE When Canibus changed his verse, why did LL not change his verse that was dissing Canibus?

[@averyt6521]

David Simmons LL won

[@heb903]

Glad they finally squashed the beef..

[@equinocturnal]

That was a good point you made about Big Sean and K.dot. Dope vid my dude. I'd also like to mention when Canibus rapped against Dizaster, forgot his rhymes, started spitting bars from released albums, and pulled out a notebook during a public battle. Ya hate to see it...

[@lultimmsrevolver]

This is channel is so fresh and new I'm glad this channel is growing

[@parmeshwargsavanurparmesh5168]

Tsriple Double TV dry XY by no hi y

[@turtleanton6539]

Triple Double yeah

[@channellive7137]

Put perfectly. Lyrically, L is not on Canibus level. And L's my man but facts are facts. Till this day Canibus and Pun has the illest metaphors and deliveries I have ever heard.

[@emmanuelpressley7267]

99% of his fans don't exist, the most savage line of eternity

[@Cozmoe-ze2we]

JADEN WALSH-CB U already know who won....Can.I.Bus!!!!! P2TG

[@ruggerREL]

LL wildly sensitive

[@keithdavid1544]

It's because you need to get your own tattoo. That's why

[@smileykid18]

@@keithdavid1544 still sensitive ...

[@brandonsurreyguy]

@@keithdavid1544 yup that is sensitive there's alot of people with the Japanese letter tattoo fucking LL dumbo

[@underdoggrecords5701]

Most gay men are

[@bennibrisco84]

LL is a legend but this was a wack move.He killed Canibus whole career over nothing but ego. 💯 Watching LL bring out Canibus to perform is the best part of this whole thing!💯

[@voodoomedia8404]

this is a dope episode u need another 1 asap

[@poetic5mics]

You are so right about LL.. He was being petty about nothing. All because he wanted to have the best verse which he still didn't after the verse change. I say Canibus won the battle hands down. A fan base don't mean nothing without lyrical skills. But LL fans don't see it that way. They see his body and fame as a bargaining chip. So they voted LL without acknowledging Canibus was lyrically better by far.

[@vampirascoffin870]

Facts!!!

[@deathrager2404]

99 percent of his fans wear high heels. its a known fact you cant change women's minds once they re made up. no matter how much better canibus is. canibus is a true goat. not one of these mainstream ''lyricals''

[@keithdavid1544]

Canibus thought he was slick to try to outshine L with his own joint like who the hell is you

[@g4lsupreme542]

Keith David right!!! And y’all tripping ll was talking heavy on his verse and what made it crazy was he wasn’t telling no lies

[@deathrager2404]

@@keithdavid1544 canibus outshines anyone who he is on a track with. had nothing to do wth ll. canibus simply was that good. ll took it personal because he knows he will never have an impact on real hiphop. only the braindead mainstream cancerous part of it.

[@Dopeboifresh22]

This is incredibly well done. Canibus torched LL Cool J. People are still in denial till this day. LL knew what he was up against and basically begged Canibus not to respond. Ultimately, it was Canibus against LL & Def Jam. It’s funny how LL forced Bis to rewrite his lines but ended up writing bars that were just as epic.

[@averyt6521]

Eder Rangel LL won

[@Dopeboifresh22]

AVERY TATE Truth hurts.

[@MastaInferno]

@@averyt6521 the war. Not the Battle!!

[@siyabonga6156]

Wow LL.opting for an underground track that was tacky

[@seanmurphy6272]

This was an excellent analysis man! Good shit.

[@williamwalsh1533]

7:42 This conversation between LL and Canibus is gold. Gives me a new perspective.

[@grinchoi1]

Lol you gotta look up what subliminal means. LL addresses Canibus directly when he was talking about him n Wyclef setting Canibus up to fail. That def wasnt a subliminal

[@xyoungdipsetx]

Jay Murthy I agree

[@quanarchie2167]

Yea They mentioned each other's names several times when he said it was a subliminal diss🤣🤣

[@dwaneasley9119]

@Gods Child ur absolutely correct. #salute

[@demonzoro3893]

You always drop some good shit just when I'm about to go to sleep and i always say fuck sleep gotta watch this fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@nathancifuentes2448]

Demon Zoro HAHAHAHAHAHAHA THATS REAL

[@larryg1902]

Great work mang!!!!

[@SuperToogreat]

2rd knockout was one of the craziest diss songs. He really ate up LL

[@sloanemorgan6624]

Damn u took me back with this one and I learned something's​ I didn't know...

[@piconeschildhoodmemoriespc4346]

2 Rd KO still gives me chills I dont care how Bis's career turned out

[@40yearoldman]

That was it. True KO

[@georgetorres1944]

Jack the Ripper was wack as shit 😂😂

[@javonbatiste5984]

@@georgetorres1944 it's that damn beat I always hated that beat it sounds so damn generic.. The lyrics were on point he definitely barked on Cannibus if he had a better beat too go with those lyrics that diss woulda been better

[@georgetorres1944]

@@javonbatiste5984 naw he didn't bark on him those lyrics were either basic or he was repeating what Canibus said just changed it a little

[@robinlacue3431]

I always said Canibus won that battle word is bond, when I first heard the joint I was like L you better get him because he got you on this one.

[@shankiawilliams997]

I, for one, still listen to Canibus... that will NEVER stop UNLESS he goes commercial

[@Eagles4life221]

9:46 LL was going to say “Don’t be a bitch.” I think LL really didn’t like Canibus and never respected him, he probably felt threatened by Canibus’ insane lyricism.

[@zapzawesomeice2970]

Alien Pumpkinhead facts !

[@vampirascoffin870]

TRUE FUCKING FACTS I HEARD RUMORS THAT LL WAS JEALOUS CAUSE CANIBUS WAS FRESH , DIFFERENT AND WILL GOONS IN BATTLES LL SAW HIM AS A THREAT

[@jflack6]

yep!

[@brocktheobserver8293]

Alien Pumpkinhead I thought the exact same

[@dankmctwist6575]

Canibus isn't threatening to anyone, Dudes a nobody who never made it.

[@xyoungdipsetx]

That’s dope dmx and canibus and pun all chilling

[@feodiente9460]

Can't forget Mos Def..

[@schizoframia4874]

Canibus cheated on his cypher

[@BingeworthyContent]

@@schizoframia4874 How lol

[@schizoframia4874]

@@BingeworthyContent it wasnt a freestyle it was a song he already wrote. 2nd round knockout

[@BingeworthyContent]

@@schizoframia4874 Well that shows you how much YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT HIP HOP because EVERYONE'S RAPS WERE WRITTEN YOU CLOWN

[@willjay921]

Thanks for this btw you filled in alot of holes to the story for me!

[@canelodadon9938]

Canibus won easy. We all know that. But Em got the push... LL didn't expect bus to come so heavy... If bus had more popular music it may have been different... LL had too much influence... I wish they pushed Bus against Em since they came up at the same time... If I could rewrite hip hop history I'd have Bus and Em battle in 2000 or 1999... LL had too much power

[@tyneelilg]

​@nevinreid311amen that man is a fruit cake

[@antonkomarov9025]

LL think he all that, lol😅

[@Khiarika1]

This story was always so disappointing to me (LL's Behavior), and this recorded convo, makes him seem a little greasy.

[@Khiarika1]

"we both did something to each other" Canibus didn't do a damned thing to you tho. Smh

[@Fryedoreo]

I agree, it tarnished LL’s legacy a bit. For him to tell Canibus not to diss him was a soft move.

[@icompletelyagreewithyouyou2936]

All Ny catz are greasy

[@PeterGriffin11]

Greasy?

[@tboon5155]

Yea you ever eaten cat? Greasy as hell haha

[@kennylopezjeetkunedo5555]

Canibus definitely won this battle. Second Round Knockout is one of the greatest diss tracks ever on wax. LL cameback hard on The Ripper Strikes back, but lyrically it wasn't on the same level as Second Round Knockout.

[@TonyTheLoneRiderSmith]

Kenny Lopez it was lyrically the same cuz ll responded to everything canabis said

[@vampirascoffin870]

@@TonyTheLoneRiderSmith not really

[@mahkelharris339]

@@TonyTheLoneRiderSmith not really

[@andrewbintang4591]

@@TonyTheLoneRiderSmith not really

[@jerff5411]

@@TonyTheLoneRiderSmith not really

[@MentylBreakdown]

This video is rly well done, surprised it doesn't have more likes

[@ericrodriguez5776]

A team up with these two would have been straight fire! 🎉

[@thisisanewusername4662]

nah. their energies don't mix.

[@omnicar605]

These are never disappointing man keep it up

[@orchestra1441]

LL wins the battle of longevity, Canibus wins the war of lyrics.

[@liamsmith2340]

LL didn't win anything!

[@iamdisappointedwithmyachie4036]

@@alexanderedinger biz won both though

[@orchestra1441]

@@alexanderedinger i would have to agree 100 percent and thats actually better than i put it...

[@keenafromphilly]

Ugh..huh

[@iamdisappointedwithmyachie4036]

@@alexanderedinger biz is still a staple in the underground culture, still makes amazing music and has never lost a battle. Talk all you want about Dizaster but you can't say LL is better

[@SouthPawCombatSports]

Idk how smart it was for LL to diss Mike lol luckily nothing happened due to it

[@---kr3zg]

Is it just me or does it seem like Canibus had almost every legendary emcee on his side during this beef 😄

[@mclogg2463]

I was sold on Big Pun 🔥

[@jay-rock6627]

Canibus really won no questions about it !!! Too this day I lose a lot of Love for LL behind all the sucker shit he did but this one took the cake Canibus is a million times lyrical better.

[@averyt6521]

Jay-Rock wrong news by the way but LL won too

[@averyt6521]

Jay-Rock listen closely. Like LL said he use lyrics from internet. Lost to disaster cause had no computer.

[@jay-rock6627]

AVERY TATE lmao smfh you bugging Canibus was beaten Dizaster but just gave up for some reason. LL lost too Lord Finesse years ago but won't admit it so he played it cool & keep his focus on Kool Moe Dee.

[@averyt6521]

Jay-Rock if u listen to LL track called the truth u understand

[@jay-rock6627]

AVERY TATE And even if someone did lost a particular part in a battle doesn't mean the other artist is a better overall lyricist. Battling is based on schemes & other angles towards that individual. Writing great rap songs is totally different & Canibus lyricist I can listen too & learn a great lot regardless on the powers that be that we don't see.

[@JohnSmith-qf9uj]

I always thought that we never got the album hip hop fans needed from Canibus and that's a real shame.

[@deathrager2404]

canibus got nothing but classic albums son fuck you talkin about?

[@micsmith672]

Check out his albums dopeness

[@evilbug555to666]

Yeah because he was too busy clout chasing...🤦🤦🤦

[@edwinbetancourt3958]

He's really not an "artist" in that regard tbh. He's really a hot rapper. There is a difference between the 2🤷 I agree he's dope...but hooks for real songs and melodies? Nah. He's not that type of talent.

[@jordanfuqua62]

​​@@evilbug555to666clout chasing? That man put out like 18817272727337 songs you fucking moron 😂

[@Karateka1973]

The real winner of this beef is us, the fans of Hip-Hop. Here we are 25 years still remembering, arguing and more importantly, we"re still playing those tracks.

[@Miraale199]

Second round KO was a gem. one of the best diss tracks of all time.

[@popi2971]

Of course LL won the war but the battle was easily Canibus. Canibus dis track sounded more polished, LL’s seemed rushed. Also lyrically Canibus was just overall better.

[@vampirascoffin870]

Lolll word!!!!! Facts!!

[@deonmills]

Not to mention......homie waited a whole month to reply to it

[@brandonmatthews4934]

That lyrical miracle shit wasn’t nothing go spit that shit at poetry battle

[@thomasbell8451]

That first Canibus album is massively underrated

[@marianosantiniello2213]

Agreed, it's well rounded lyrically.

[@lostfound34]

Yes

[@christianc8929]

I liked it but I felt his second album was stronger beats and battle style. If the second album would’ve been the first it would’ve better received by his fans. Regardless I liked them both

[@truthhurts2000]

Not really. Bis strength isnt song writing and that album lacked seriously in that department. Yes his lyrics were out of this world but that means nothing when you cant craft a song. It's why he always shined the most when he was a featured artist and in freestyles.

[@nestorlopez6500]

I was a HUGE fan but his album was trash - his second album was better in every way but it was too late, damage done.

[@ALO_676]

I still revisit this beef on occasion and Canibus always takes my vote. I give LL props for coming strong on the Jack The Ripper track bc his style is not only aggressive but comes with punches too, way different from his other material. Unfortunately, everything before and after that track is the same boring style -it’s like LL is forcing ideas / storyline. Plus, he let his ego get the best of him and unnecessarily exaggerated the whole situation that was never there to begin with.

[@minzy421]

I have 2nd round ko ranked no. 3 as greatest diss track of all time. Had more sting and impact to it. The flow and bars are memorable which made it great. People keep forgetting Master P was also on 4 3 2 1 track

[@georgebunker348]

Everyone knows that Canibus won! I went out and bought a Rottweiler and called him Can-I-Bus. He was the baddest Rottweiler ever! That mofo was 155lbs, solid!! Looked like and sounded like a F'n bear. Lived to be 13 years old, and died in my arms one Easter Sunday. RIP my friend!

[@JoJoeBOC87]

I bet Canibus is ghost writing for a lot of rappers now.

[@elydot8693]

I highly doubt that with all these mumble rapper (epidemic)

[@judahson1471]

+Ely Dot So true!

[@marlonthomas8042]

JoJoeBOC87 he wrote for A+ back in the day But I don’t think he could write lyrics for anyone and have it believable Only people I can think of wouldn’t use a ghost writer on principle Immortal technique and em Even pun couldn’t pull of the words The wordplay defo but not the scientific lyrics. If 21 savage started spitting “get everything in the club thrown at you and your crew” maybe If he then went on to say “From moet bottles, to bar stools, fruits and foods, you got an album out you’ll get hit with your cd too” You’d be like 🤔

[@nickdorazio3018]

Ely Dot omg i cant stand that mumble crap honestly imo its the worst music thats ever been.id rather listen to nothing for the rest of my life then that sheeeiitt

[@turtleanton6539]

Nah not with these weak "bars"

[@tubebammy]

Its actually saying a lot about his lyrical skill considering he was also beefing with Eminem at the same time.

[@WaveLordLuis]

I’m just coming across this vid but I agree with the overall assessment. Nice breakdown💯

[@brocktheobserver8293]

Poor Canibus he was illest upcoming lyricist he definitely won

[@maxwellkamau9047]

DRY

[@greezythumb]

L talking to the man like he's stupid. L was playing him from day one. L showed how petty he is. Even Red and Meth spoke on how sensitive L is..

[@bigjay4862]

I think you gave a fair synopsis on the entire battle!! Me personally? I think they both won! Cannabis got great exposure by going up against the GOAT! and LL is still an icon and a legend regardless of this battle!

[@lamarcraven2314]

I love the two great artists who actually had bars didn’t take it to the street I didn’t get physical they didn’t end up, killing each other or each other’s careers. They just ended up, killing it on stage, killing the bees, killing it for the fans and just killing it when it came down to real good music we don’t have that anymore. God bless LL and cannabis. I hope you’re doing good over there in Canada but my brother up an alarm for Toronto and everything take care of cannabis. We love y’all bro.

[@Fryedoreo]

This tarnished LL’s legacy a bit, to be that emotional about an obvious fan admiring your tat and shouting you out on your own record to be seen as a diss? Clearly LL took advantage of a moment to get his “Street” credibility back as when he took shots at Pac no one cared. Canibus was in an odd predicament being that he was asked to feature on a record which ultimately became a diss record at him.. almost like it was planned by LL because why feature a rapper known for battle-bars? It was as if he needed a mark to make his mark which he sort of did with mixed results. Good vid!

[@averyt6521]

Dewuan And Only LL never had tarnish.

[@Fryedoreo]

AVERY TATE again it’s just my perspective that LL tarnished his legacy as a battle rapper with the way how he handled the conflict with Canibus.

[@MrHelmick]

Tarnished his legacy how? I don’t hear people talk negatively about this situation at all. If anything he gave Canibus exactly what he wanted, a spotlight. Canibus just failed to capitalize on it.

[@HOTVBARSCHOOL]

@@MrHelmick LL is a fuckin cornball

[@Wesssyde_LB-78]

And Pac came back saying I’ll rock your 🛎s. 😂😂😂

[@JoJoeBOC87]

Quake back at it again! Perfect execution on this Battle. I give you 100%. Canibus clearly won. I think LL's stardom suffocated Canibus career. If he left the beef at the first album and just focused on himself he would have been at Legendary status.

[@JoJoeBOC87]

TrueSinister it must have been because of his obsession to diss LL instead of thinking creatively and growing.

[@ikennakonkwo5939]

I feel like the situation was wrong on both of their parts. Canibus had a verse about borrowing a microphone from LL Cool J and he felt offended when Canibus was being respective and playing the competitive role so he asked him to change the verse, and he promised. Canibus asked LL Cool J if he can verse, he said yes but he never changed. LL told Canibus that they’ll work together on a song and not to get hectic. A few moments later, he dropped 2nd round knockout. LL came back and got him. Rasta Imposter was the hardest diss song aimed at Canibus. It was very lyrical, which proves that LL didn’t lose his edge as some may say. This song kind of hurt Canibus’ career in my opinion. Either way, one of the best diss songs from 2 best rappers.

[@roki8565]

These guys have long since ended their beef and performed together. That’s great. LL is dope. Canibus is dope. Second Round K.O. I think- was better than LL’s comeback. But even if some think LL won, Canibus is a much more intricate lyricist than LL. LL is no doubt lyrical and versatile but Canibus is lyrical on a different level. You can tell he is well read and breathes, eats and sleeps lyricism. He reads a lot. That’s the way a lyricist should be. Guys like him were raised on LL and others’ lyricism of that era. He is where he should be in hip hop lyricism. Can’t take that from him. He is a better lyricist than LL and rightly so. If a teacher is good, his students will do even better than him Doesn’t take anything away from Uncle L. Shout out to Mr. Smith and Rip the Jacker. Peace

[@realnesx]

Canibus is a Lyrical genius Einstein. Canibus spits bars that I have to rewind and play back, just to make sure I didn't mis hear the genius

[@SpliffStar79]

realnesx right. Licking your lips and rubbing oils on your chest don’t beat real bars.

[@frond8951]

he got absolutely bodied by dizaster

[@LynxStarAuto]

frond That entire thing was extremely strange.

[@nooneasked6800]

@@SpliffStar79 something Ll raps about all the time especially he always made music female enjoy not for reall niggas

[@deathrager2404]

@@frond8951 first round was for canibus. 2nd round also for canibus because dizaster could only kill him by mocking his style (eminem did the same thing because he simply cant d better lol). when has dizaster made a song as deep as secrets amongst cosmonauts? or channel zero? i ll be waiting for your answer.

[@defjeff4297]

Quake you killed it with this one! This is a beef that people really don't talk about! I think now looking back all the guys who really rate bars would agree that Canibus is a legend in hiphop. He never really gets the props he deserves for his ability but Canibus is definitely a legend. Great video man!

[@defjeff4297]

TrueSinister not by comparison to even the other beefs that quake has covered

[@crystalblake8096]

i agree

[@realitymusic2248]

2nd Round KO is up there with Naz's Ether sonically it sounded good lyrically it was raw and the energy from having Mike Tyson with verbals saying to eat eat emcesss. Diverse mentality I'm waiting for your top 5 diss tracks?

[@ericlaw9974]

Canibus won that battle but I am glad things ended peacefully. Respect to both rappers.🔥💯

[@misslucky5474]

I totally agree with you. However, L had to shut the sh it down by not responding to the other diss records that Canibus put out. L was tired of having to defend himself all the time with the bs. I'm glad he took the high road and just let Canibus be.

[@VIFG]

I agree with DJ Premier. Canibus won.

[@superdopehiphop]

vIfg video?

[@GuinessOriginal]

You can't fuck with prem

[@jaycee5664]

Canibus won without a doubt, but the price was his career... such a talented dude man...

[@banick217]

You mean Canibus career never existed because of ll cool j. LL destroyed him. Hands down.

[@orange-6109]

It was a draw..both went in hard.

[@bigjoe91siccness]

Canibus lost money... his career equals the best lyricist of al time. LL supporters most likely wear high heels, check the numbers man.

[@user-pn6by7fh2t]

@@banick217 drop em high heels and take your head outta ya a$$

[@kevinsantiago260]

I like ur vids BRO!!!

[@androlibre9661]

You can win every battle and still lose the war. Canibus, problem was....he was all flow with no songs. He had a few songs, but it always battle rap raps. Sooner or later you got to say something that can be a song

[@jjbing3]

Canibus would have been a G if he performed his original verse at the live show!! The ultimate payback!! 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@JustMe-nk7ho]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@brianstewart3916]

Yo I was thinking the same thing. He would of murder him live on his own show. The crowd would have went nuts. But missed opportunity.

[@mikiy84]

One of the best hip-hop beefs of all time. for sure ll over reacted, but he had a big ego at the time, and only needed a hint of disrespect to retaliate like he did. I also love the fact that canibus stood his ground and retaliated, even though he knew what was at stake. legendary times, especially that roundtable freestyles with big pun, mos def, dmx and canibus

[@deathrager2404]

there was no disrespect at all. not even a single hint of disrespect. ll is just 1 of those oversensitive bitches

[@duckskin3220]

canibus second round K.O. is alreadt one of the best diss tracks without that 3rd verse. imagine it with the 3rd verse

[@Gi1d3d]

Both artists were spittin

[@colinhead7414]

These videos are too dope bruh. U really do ur research and go behind the scenes with things ppl may not know..especially this new generation of rap. Keep doin ur thing bruh.

[@alexmotts]

I dont understand how anyone ever thought LL won. Canibus was spitting bars. Bars after bars. LL barely said any shit in his disses. Canibus all day. One of the greatest to ever touch a mic

[@deathrager2404]

ll said that canibus wanted to socialize, but the phone call after ll disstrack proves that it was ll who wanted to socialize. like a little girl talking to her parents.

[@williams.5158]

But LL’s witty ass verses make you laugh at Canibus. Wit is intelligence and its interesting as hell.

[@orange-6109]

LL also dropped bars guys let us not hate. This to me was a draw. SAYING 99 PERCENT of your fans don't exist was one of the most vicious rebuttals in hip hop.

[@gullybop1695]

LL rahlo-deed Canibus.

[@corith7279]

William S. You’ve clearly never listened to bis

[@soopergood5012]

"Cannibus is the type to fight for mics" can still be perceived as going at LL considering the origin of the verse. He went from let me BORROW that, to he will fight for it. Subliminal for only those who were around during the first discussion. I don't blame LL. Take it all the way out or deal with the repercussions of the man with the crown. (Snatch your crown with head attached to it) or however it went.

[@prophetess_cb5941]

Cannibus won lyrically. I was a poet & a hip hop junkie, the 90s hip hop atleast. I remember listening to both of them back then & felt like cannibus was lyrically dope. When someone is DOPE & AUTHENTIC you can never take that from them. I think cannibus got done dirty & unfortunately that's the industry 🤷🏿.

[@T3n50r]

Same thing here. Canibus was light years ahead of LL lyrically. I hung out on a lot of hiphop forums back then (from RM to Wu-Tang Corp) and wrote a lot. I don't think there were anyone that unironically thought LL did better in this regard, and that's a lot of different personalities from all walks of hiphop (from the underground Philly and NY scene to people in the Nordic countries). LL might have won in terms of billboard but he never got the same heart/loyalty from the underground scene and people involved with lyricism and hiphop in general that Canibus did

[@mugabebakulu5817]

Canibus won, LL took two Ls.

[@CloroxBleach-uz8mz]

Mugabe Bakulu Baka HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@Evol1HipHop]

LLL Cool J...he gained another L to his name

[@turtleanton6539]

😂😂😂

[@janus5cl]

Yeah because Canibus career definitely set off after that, he wasn’t forgotten and his albums didn’t flop and are admired as masterpieces nowadays.

[@joeygana8864]

Janus Lindenskov Cailloux He Lost, LL killed him, with the ripper strikes back

[@intellectual360]

To me, L sounded Shook in that phone conversation

[@deathrager2404]

shook, butthurt as hell too.

[@pasajerodelabrujula8261]

That why he was being scandalous af and trying to dominate the conversation

[@MuhammadAli-qh8tg]

It's cool that LL and Canibus came together in the end... Legendary ending.

[@l.j.garcia1042]

I hated this feud. I thought Canibus won the batle part of this. His disses were alot harder and more ruthless. LL had some good ones but he looked like Rocky in Rocky 3 by comparison. Soft and not hungry anymore. That was a snake move that he did and he comes off like a total scumbag. LL obviously had the better career longetivity. I just feel like both missed out on something big after this. Canibus should have had a better career. Especially when we had fake wannabe 2pacs like Ja Rule on the horizon. I feel like both could have made alot of good songs together in the late 90s and transition into the 2000s. I feel like Canibus just got blackballed and LL just stayed soft the rest of the way.

[@legarianvance6937]

LL was already the goat he was the man canibus played himself u can't go and guys like LL u will lose easy LL cool j got the streets and the ladies with game over checkmate LL wins the war