LL4D Tippmann TMC/Mission 4 - Highest power yet with new drive spring & valve spring

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@runerebel8441 11 ай бұрын

Wow😎. Nice power💥👍. Congratulations 😃👍

@lesslethalfordummies 11 ай бұрын

Thank you Rune. It is pretty much maxed now unless i send 1500 through it 😆.

@runerebel8441 11 ай бұрын

Yes I think so too. But 1500 psi sounds a bit scarry 💥😁. Good informative video as always Sean. Keep up the good work 😃👍@@lesslethalfordummies

@prochargedbirdprochargedbird 5 ай бұрын

Nice power mod, I went on aliexpress all the Compression Spring 300mm x 1.0mm x 5mm OD can't find the 1.0mm every seller seems to be sold out, Everybody saw this video and bought them all up. Looks like I am forced to get the TechT Hardcore Tuner Deluxe Spring Kit, nots sure how well those springs will work. Trying to build my mission 4 up a little, this isn't my only gun mainly more PCP air rifles, but I'm also into the less lethal stuff. You know with that high fps I think you can get over 30 joules using heavier 3.7 gram or even 4.8 gram projectiles, sure you will lose some fps, unless you are trying to stay above the 400 fps mark. Thanks for sharing this vid.

@lesslethalfordummies 5 ай бұрын

Just working on a new and improved version using the TechT lightened hammer. No links yet but will be giving a sneak peak at its potential today.

@lesslethalfordummies 5 ай бұрын

HotXYZ Y Type Compression Spring Cylidrical Coil Rotor Return Pressure Compressed Spring Steel 65Mn Wire Diameter 1.0mm a.aliexpress.com/_mNh3TzA

@prochargedbirdprochargedbird 5 ай бұрын

@@lesslethalfordummies Thanks for putting up that link, but the problem is the longest spring thats on there is only 100mm long, unless 100mm will work. I thought you were cutting a 300mm down to 110mm.

@lesslethalfordummies 5 ай бұрын

@@prochargedbirdprochargedbird108mm was the absolute max that would fit. The 100mm link was for those that just wanted a plug and play option and still great performance. If you want the 108mm you must cut down from 300mm.

@prochargedbirdprochargedbird 5 ай бұрын

@@lesslethalfordummies Ok the 100mm will work, and 108mm is the max got it. Thank you!

@mattfrancis9275 6 ай бұрын

Missed this so what upgrades have been done.to achieve this level,i have a fsc that is kitted,and ive always liked the look of the tmc

@lesslethalfordummies 6 ай бұрын

Heavy drive spring and lightened valve spring are the biggest increases on the cheap. Barrel helps.

@mattfrancis9275 6 ай бұрын

@@lesslethalfordummies where can they be found? I'm completely new to the tmc in contact with some body who is selling one atm

@lesslethalfordummies 6 ай бұрын

@mattfrancis9275 springs link is in the video description my friend 🙂

@stephens3045 10 ай бұрын

Great power! Keep em coming bud!

@lesslethalfordummies 10 ай бұрын

Will do!

@rustystyle 10 ай бұрын

Yo!! So have you tried 88G since you upgraded the springs? Surely that would give the highest numbers possible?

@lesslethalfordummies 10 ай бұрын

I havent done any videos of it since the upgrades but soon. Should give the best numbers 😉

@rustystyle 10 ай бұрын

@@lesslethalfordummies Fo'sho!! 88G isn't the most cost effective but it sure does generate some spicy numbers 👌😅

@prochargedbirdprochargedbird 2 ай бұрын

Hey Sean, I tried to change my drive spring, but decided to give up, It look easy enough to do, but now I am having a hard time trying to get the clam shells to snap back to together, I mean Im very close, but it will not completely go the rest of the way. Something I am not doing right and cannot figure it out. The TCP/FSC is much much easier to work on by far.

@prochargedbirdprochargedbird 2 ай бұрын

I found out it has something to do with the charging handle, because if I leave the handle out it goes together just fine, when I put the charging handle back in thats where I have problems getting the shells back together,

@prochargedbirdprochargedbird 2 ай бұрын

I finally got it back together, my god what a pain in the ASS! I am never ever pulling my Byrna mission 4 apart ever again. Forget the stiffer drive spring. I also have glaucoma, I am partially blind in my right eye and have diminished vision in my left eye, still don't have my full time time glasses yet either, not until February maybe. Doing all this with cheap $1.25 reading glasses from dollar tree. So working on my guns, become a lot more difficult. Yeah next time I will let some else change out the drive spring. lol

@lesslethalfordummies 2 ай бұрын

Sorry i was out of cell reception today. When closing the shell the marker must be in fire mode and you have to pull the trigger as you squeeze the two halves together. Anyways glad you got it back together.

@prochargedbirdprochargedbird 2 ай бұрын

@@lesslethalfordummies Thats Ok you left me all by lonesome, Just messing with you lol. It took me about 15 minutes more to figure it out what I was doing wrong. I knew about pulling the trigger part, I forgot to pull the spring on the charging handle thats when I was able to snap it back together. I was so close to swapping out the drive spring, But since it was my first time having the rifle apart, I started to feel uncomfortable and wasn't sure if I could trust my very bad vision enough, I was thinking I was going to lose a little pin or little spring somewhere and would not be able to find it. I don't know if I can get up enough courage to take the rifle apart again to put the stiffer drive spring in.

@lesslethalfordummies 2 ай бұрын

@@prochargedbirdprochargedbirdDont be discouraged. You got it once, it gets easier everytime because you learn from the last.

@W4RF1GHT3R_69 7 ай бұрын

Setup is very clean

@lesslethalfordummies 7 ай бұрын

Thanks 🙏🏼

@convicttattooswi 11 ай бұрын

Another great video buds. Where you get your 16g adapter at?

@lesslethalfordummies 11 ай бұрын

Co2 Cartridge Cylinder (3/8-24UNF Thread) To Paintball Tank Thread (G1/2-14) Convert Adapter a.aliexpress.com/_mth0ZYW

@nsoutlawball1941 Ай бұрын

Have you made any discoveries about the best alloys to use for springs? I'm looking to source better quality Tippmann drive springs for paintball purposes and I'd like one that stays strong long term even if it costs more.

@lesslethalfordummies Ай бұрын

I am using Chinesiam 65nm spring steel. It really isnt that great a quality. How i have been able to maintain velocity is by choosing a larger OD spring in conjunction with the TechT hammer. I cant say what wire gauge you would need for paintball velocities. It has been all trial and error to get here.

@nsoutlawball1941 Ай бұрын

@@lesslethalfordummies Thanks for the response. I may be dreaming but It almost Seems like somewhere along the line Tippmann reduced the strength of their drive springs. Every new drive spring I've bought in the last 10+ years has been lucky to get my 98's and A5's up to 280fps with a .690 barrel ( can't go less or you get lots of barrel breaks/jams/huge mess ) and a shimmed HPA regulator. Needa have like 1100psi and a brand new spring if you want to play anywhere near 300fps. Could have been the transition from C02 though I guess.

@nsoutlawball1941 Ай бұрын

@@lesslethalfordummies btw how has the Techt spring held out? I bought one of these multi colored spring kits way way back and I don't remember if it was Techt or a knock off, but all of the springs lost their strength super fast, it was actually a terrible buy but I don't remember if it was Techt or not.

@lesslethalfordummies Ай бұрын

@@nsoutlawball1941i think you hit the nail on the head. Transition from co2. Tippmanns tend to shoot a little better with co2.

@lesslethalfordummies Ай бұрын

@@nsoutlawball1941The TechT heavy spring was definitely the best of the factory sized springs. I bought one of those generic kits and none of them fit.

@smokingunclefrank6037 Ай бұрын

So I've been wondering you said you don't like the look of your tank out the bottom why not just leave it out the stock ? I prefer that myself but different strokes

@lesslethalfordummies Ай бұрын

I moved its location specifically for co2 use.

@DingleBerryschnapps 5 ай бұрын

Would you say this is on par with the m17 now? Edit: Never mind. I keep forgetting where the air tank attaches. I don't like it.

@lesslethalfordummies 5 ай бұрын

No the Tmc will never be as powerful as the M17 can be.

@bNikmagn18 3 ай бұрын

Is there any issues with marker with new springs yet ?

@lesslethalfordummies 3 ай бұрын

None what so ever. Only thing is you must cock marker before air with a really heavy drive spring and light valve spring because it is being depressed at rest.

@bNikmagn18 3 ай бұрын

@@lesslethalfordummies the idea i have is to get up to 10-20% more of default velocity for paintballs, what would you say ? And what spring size would you recommend?

@lesslethalfordummies 3 ай бұрын

@@bNikmagn18You could try this spring and just choke the velocity down. That is something i haven’t tried.

@bNikmagn18 3 ай бұрын

@@lesslethalfordummies have you tried or what do you think if to stay with default valve spring, default hammer and only using this spring of 5mm, and play with the velocity ?

@lesslethalfordummies 3 ай бұрын

@@bNikmagn18i would open the box and go play paintball. Thats what it was designed to do. I can’t comment further on if any of this will work with paintball.

@hamelnbeach 11 ай бұрын

Once again you made it💥💪

@HIPHOPMENTOR 11 ай бұрын

💯

@smokingunclefrank6037 Ай бұрын

Not bad there Shawn, if I can get near that on my Mission 4 I'll be happier still, that being said, Byrna frown on turning them up I may wait a little bit and first try other rounds in it so far I've only shot Byrna kinetic projectiles so after i try some other stuff like joules I'll see, i actually thought about what it would with an 1100 psi tank but it makes me a little nervous doing that especially with what it coast and it's new so i guess I'm babying it a little right now

@lesslethalfordummies Ай бұрын

The Byrna Kinetics were one of the top performing projectiles in the TMC. Their lightweight bodes well when used in a blow back launcher.

@smokingunclefrank6037 Ай бұрын

@@lesslethalfordummies Good to know I wasn't getting great power with Byrna Kinetics so maybe I'll bump it a little after some other tests

@lesslethalfordummies Ай бұрын

@@smokingunclefrank6037due to the narrow passages in the TMC its best result are using co2. If you are going to use HPA i suggest 1100psi. It will eat it up all day long. 800psi you will be very disappointed when comparing it to co2.

@frgtdrepsn2904 9 ай бұрын

what brand and length of barrel is on this TMC? I was just at my local paintball store and was looking at the TMC

@lesslethalfordummies 9 ай бұрын

Currently it is fitted with a 14” Lion Claw barrel from MCS.

@PFunk609 5 ай бұрын

I just got a TMC and a TMC Elite. Are there ppl/places that can mod them for us?

@lesslethalfordummies 5 ай бұрын

I don’t know anyone doing TMCs. They are very easy to work on yourself with a few basic tools. I did included links in this videos description to the springs need to bring the power up on a mostly factory marker.

@PFunk609 5 ай бұрын

Usually im afraid to open these up, but eehhh f it, theyre pretty budget, and i got 2 lol. Maybe ill try one myself. Ty sir 👍

@lesslethalfordummies 5 ай бұрын

@@PFunk609well if you get stuck send me an email. 😁

@PFunk609 5 ай бұрын

U da man for that! We'll see how it goes.

@PFunk609 5 ай бұрын

@lesslethalfordummies next question is why 2 different springs? i only saw u swap 1. did i miss it in another video?

@rustystyle 7 ай бұрын

Daft question (I think I probably already know the answer to) Shaun, but why cut the drive spring to 107mm when the original spring is about 110mm? I'm guessing it's because this aliexpress spring is that much harder that 110mm would just be too much?

@lesslethalfordummies 7 ай бұрын

The Ali spring loses 10mm of length right from its first compression. The factory yes is longer but its tension is much lower being the wire gauge is much smaller thus the hammer strike is short and quick releasing less air.

@rustystyle 7 ай бұрын

Thanks Shaun!!

@lesslethalfordummies 7 ай бұрын

An even longer factory spring may get the same results as the heavy spring if one were available. Alternatively many shim the factory spring as well as a cheater.

@PFunk609 5 ай бұрын

the ali spring is rly tight for me rn. im around 105mm, may hafta go even shorter. but its definitely tougher. cant wait to see the results.

@lesslethalfordummies 5 ай бұрын

@PFunk609 tight like fitting in the hammer pocket or tight like hard to pull the charge handle?

@EastCoastLessLethal 11 ай бұрын

Sweet. I want a TMC now. Is the only thing you did was change the spring

@lesslethalfordummies 11 ай бұрын

The spring change and longer barrel get the most bang for the buck. I have done some other mods in earlier videos but i cant say for sure how much they added.