Logic Pro 11 is INSANE, Metro Boomin Cancelled for P*dophile Jokes, Bitwig 5.2 and More (WNN)

[@juliana.2120]

all these large plug-in companies digging their own graves with subscription models will hopefully spark a new generation of indie plugin devs in the coming years

[@jrettetsohyt1]

With AI becoming able to code for people, this is a sure thing

[@Sool101]

Yeah I'm looking for a compressor, do you know any? /s

[@matiashakala1260]

​@@Sool101 No, what is that?

[@thelolmighty]

@@Sool101 Compressor? I hardly know'er!

[@Sool101]

@@matiashakala1260 I heard it has something to do with pads. Compressionpads? Idk

[@osmancolak]

Ableton trying to sell Freeze and Flatten in Live12 as Bounce in Place is hilarious.

[@alexanderdubious9469]

ableton is overrated. its basically garage band for scene kids

[@moskva-kassiopeya]

Yeah really disappointed with the Live 12

[@nvisionbeats]

But you could freeze and flatten in 11 no? Or am I missing something

[@moskva-kassiopeya]

@@nvisionbeats you could always freeze but you’d have to manually drag the freezed audio to a new track. In 12 they’ve just automated it so it works like in any other DAW.

[@nvisionbeats]

@@moskva-kassiopeya except for with audio effects though, had to route it through sidechain on a midi track

[@ethanwimsett]

Max is my only reason to use Ableton at this stage. I would like multi channel support, stem separation would be a nice addition

[@AlmerosMusicCode]

Bitwig's 'Grid' goes a long way!

[@meru_lpz]

multi-channel support would be dope

[@R01499-y]

Check UVR it has good stem separation

[@ethanwimsett]

@@R01499-y cheers!

[@neqkk]

Funny you'd mention the mouseless navigation when comparing Bitwig 5.2 to Ableton.. When I saw that feature I thought it was just Bitwig playing catch up with the Live 12 full-keyboard navigation that was added with screen-reader support

[@codexstudios]

9:50 built-in pultec style EQ is nice. wonder how it matches up to other emulations

[@Vegan_Kebab_In_My_Hand]

The best DAW is the one that suits you the... best. And the one that isn't trying to extort money out of you ✌️

[@itsrasalhague]

Damn! That editor's note transition was smooth, dude. Appreciate your insights!

[@dzaxys4643]

Ableton update:" we have a new more complicated menu"😑"+a worse version of granulator without fm its simplified" 😑

[@neqkk]

what menu?

[@Lt_Lobster]

​@@neqkk the browser, but imo now it's got more and much needed features.

[@neqkk]

@@Lt_Lobster oh, never thought of the browser like a menu but I guess it makes sense.. In a restaurant menu kind of way :]

[@divisionmonarchy]

I used Ableton since v2, switched to Bitwig 5 years ago and never looked back.

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

It looks interesting, but an absolute hot mess at the same time. I’ve been with Live since 3 and recently moved to 11… and it feels like I’m living in a dream. Coming from Cubase SE for VSTi work, Live 11 is a fairy tale of epic proportions. How are you coping with Bitwig?

[@adeniranbalthazar5700]

Ableton Live will become the ProTools of electronic production (and you know why this is bad for them)

[@VentureNW]

Plus - you can migrate your Ableton Live projects, right into BitWig... haha

[@aberration7699]

bitwig ftw!! 🙌🏻

[@nvisionbeats]

For real?

[@fireonstick4814]

Yea.. you can fo that

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

Bitwig looks interesting, but overall a hot mess compared to Live.

[@VentureNW]

@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf I use both, actually. No hot messes on the Bitwig side. However, it's hard to completely cut the chord when you have used one platform for a very long time.

[@nowondr]

Retrospective record, midi comping, video support and themes are imo the biggest things ableton holds over bitwig, but I feel its a matter of time before Bitwig catches up. Bitwig does most things so much faster I cant stand using ableton for most tasks now

[@jonathanscarletmusic]

Pivoted to Bitwig around version 4.5, having been toying with it since version 1. Still got Ableton on the computer, but haven't fired it up for six months i guess? Certainly 12 was the first version I just found myself going 'hmm, yeah, nah'.

[@Weaverbeats]

It kinda seems better once you get used to it. I haven't ever gotten used to it though, granted i have only used it a handful of times

[@jonathanscarletmusic]

@@Weaverbeats It's very similar, and it's very confiugrable, so you can set it to work just like ableton if you want to (albeit with loads of extra features and workflow improvements). Took a while for them to catch up (just wasn't there on the basics til around version 4.5, despite being forward looking in lots of ways) but now they are racing ahead. The only reason I fire up ableton now is because I like the push 2 integration so much. If I can get the push 2 working as well with bitwig as it does with live, yeah, I'll just sell my ableton license.

[@Slang_Forever]

Ableton 12 Flipped up on the system requirements . Now i cannot run on my laptop with it 🙈🙈🙈

[@Niro_sounds]

the short brought me here, good idea chad

[@Weaverbeats]

Thank you I might take advantage of it more

[@Infinighost]

I've been using Bitwig as my sole DAW for 2 years now and I've never once looked back. It rules.

[@Marcustrh]

I feel the same way towards studio one in regards to features & stem separation!

[@milesholt3655]

still getting ableton soon i think for live performances. Got a good few records out of Unison audio's shit, but overall glad I don't have to clog up my processing with it anymore. Bass Dragon still had some uses, but after scaler 2.9 it was out the door anyways

[@F_E_U]

I used Next Pro and first fans since last year, but First Fans stopped working for me (and yeah when it did work it was mostly bots) since two months ago, would love to know if any other passed from 200ish to pretty much none in the past few months

[@RevIsnot]

show me what the f stem sep is for!?

[@crnkmnky]

Are you asking?

[@vonantesberg]

Bitwig or die, not gonna lie. I’m almost through with the trial and I’ve produced more with it than I ever would have in other DAWs I’ve used. The flexibility is amazing and i can get to what I have in my head faster in Bitwig than anywhere else.

[@crnkmnky]

🥺

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

Where can I listen to your work, OP? 🤓

[@crnkmnky]

@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf It's in their profile: *VonAntesberg* on Bxndcxmp…

[@crnkmnky]

@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf It's on Bxndcxmp…

[@billysanchez-eh6nn]

ableton is quicker

[@iamgeorgesears]

I have clicked the like button. Waiting for my personalized sidechain tutorial.

[@SuperLinuxAudioGuru]

You got me with the jump-scare at the start :)

[@JoeCattt]

dabbin on sam ash grave into the ad lmao

[@tymantis]

Ableton is not slower than every other DAW when it comes to adding new features. Reason is definitely the slowest when it comes to adding new features

[@Weaverbeats]

True reason might have them beat. They've both been playing catch up for a while

[@tymantis]

@@Weaverbeats Ableton is light years ahead of Reason. Reason Studios have been ignoring Reason users requests for way too long. It's like RS is trying to make Reason users angry with every new release. Check out what the soon to be released Reason 13 has to offer. RS said Reason 13 has an updated sequencer but those aren't the features that Reason users have been requesting. RS releases a new pathetic version of Reason every year and expects users to pay for it. If you think Ableton is slow then try using Reason for one day and then let me know what you think. Many Reason users who own perpetual licenses are upset because RS implemented a new online license authorization system. Reason users are forced to phone home every time they open Reason which has been very inefficient. Having to authorize your Reason license every time you open Reason means you have to always be connected to the internet. I think the new online license authorization system is very unethical and makes me hate RS even more

[@EricSilvester]

would that mean, that one gets 100 plays on soundcloud for free from real people? - or do they don't count?

[@Weaverbeats]

Thats a good point 🤔

[@patrick5301]

Oh God these DAW updates are massively boring. These are features that weren't made by actual music nerds and have barely any thought put in to their conceptualization in the first place it seems like

[@meislit9217]

What would you have wanted to see then?

[@patrick5301]

@@meislit9217 Logic Pro: something like a new browser, some modular processing box like patcher in FL studio, or some of the thousands of feature requests in forums. But instead: AI this AI that, meanwhile there will be popular feature requests online dating back a decade

[@yaboysambeats]

so excited to cop synthmaster 3. such an underrated synth right there

[@KordTaylor]

Ableton is nice. But yeah BitWig is pretty cool. And let’s all forget stem splitting yeah? BitWig really looks good Re: working with hardware synths too.

[@ram_frog]

who is edging rn dont lie

[@Bittamin]

As a Logic Pro user that loves to resample and having fun yes I’m hot and heavy rn

[@Onawjo]

Bricked up!!!

[@raulgalets]

howdu know

[@kboyburry3669]

Me

[@Tejaneaux-ic8dp]

Idk what edging means.

[@haystacksniperr]

I heard that logics stem separation requires apple silicone chip no intel so I’m fucked

[@Rio-uv1gs]

Only problem is you can take advantage of logic 11 stem separation if you have a new apple silcon computer.. That's how they get to pay for the update.

[@music-maker2505]

Bitwig is fire 🔥 The Best coders left Ableton (because of creative handcuffs) and started Bitwig.. Ableton are now left chasing their tail, while Bitwig continues to storm ahead.. Love the show bro 🇮🇪🦅🇺🇸

[@Rustyfingaz]

So we're gettiing ytmp3 tats instead of getting the premium version lol

[@KC-bi9jw]

It’s just an advanced algorithm, but “A.I.” is a better marketing term. They’re hardly the only ones doing this though

[@Vegan_Kebab_In_My_Hand]

Yup, AI is one of the most vapid terms being thrown around for marketing purposes

[@MarcosRobertoDosSantosJF]

Yes, it is a buzz word. Everything now is AI.

[@crnkmnky]

"A.I." has always been a vapid buzzword that tech marketers find sexy, for 68 years.

[@frankboyer1490]

I don't know why people keep insisting on the "tHis DaW iS bEtTer!!1" nonsense. It's not just about features, it's also about a user's preference for layout, workflow, specific and exclusive devices, etc. Sure, they should always work on making improvements including quality of life but too many people these days are obsessed with the bells and whistles which doesn't apply to everybody.

[@nomad1517]

Ya'll know you can perform live with Bitwig. Like really well. It's made for both live performances and production.

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

There’s another plugin that does that extremely well… kinda invented the whole movement… the name eludes me at the moment. Hmmmm 🤡

[@MrVadymMykh]

And of course they make all the features only for M processors in Logic... Or no?

[@Lourenco.01]

Damn as someone who left Logic for Ableton it hurts to see how far they have come. Ableton was really innovative for a while and right now they are in a bit of a innovative slump I guess. Don't get me wrong I got what I need still with 10. If they took note from Logic and upgraded like that then I'll finally update my Ableton version.

[@bistrobmusic]

3 Sam Ashes in South Florida but the deals have been weak

[@crnkmnky]

Yep. Last month I randomly stopped by the store in North Atlanta, and found out they were closing. I swear the prices were 10% higher than normal. 🥱 I'll check again today.

[@crnkmnky]

Ah, my last reply got invisible'd. 😾 Today I went back to my local Sam Ash (just north of Atlanta), and recorded an audio time capsule on a portable Tascam. They're closing in 9 days. Not much left. I saw a Tascam digital 24-track that looked good… a Denon PA on wheels… a cabinet for rack modules. They spread a bunch of marked-down Samson mics around the store. That seems to be the only inventory that could possibly reach the advertised discount of "up to 70% off." They also pulled a bunch of ancient synth & MIDI cables out of their dusty storage unit. Most of the exciting gear is gone, but the current markdowns still feel like a joke…

[@isac8475]

LETS GO LOGIC PRO X!

[@amaratoure7208]

Improv the logic overall (when the song have more EQ the logic will give you a notification saying overall) and inprove the new mastering plugging and the piano 🎹 roll to pick note like FL Studio

[@QueMusiQ]

15:45 they put it so far out to see if we will protest this pricing. And we will. By laughing hysterically. Why??! That’s more than it costs to buy EVERYTHING.

[@Bthelick]

you forget bitwig was made by devs that left ableton

[@Weaverbeats]

nah I didn't 🤫

[@AVDRE]

that intro got me lmao

[@dat1beats]

Wouldn't Metro have been a minor a decade ago?

[@crnkmnky]

Yep. This witch hunt is getting really tired.

[@le-berry]

High Brother from another planet and mother. Not high obviously but whatever..... Your channel is doing great I like it more and more every time. The content is great, the tempo is just right, it's informative yet opinionated and great to watch you being cynical and funny. I hope more people pick up the channel your hard work definitely deserves an audience. I think the reporting bit in music production is nice and totally needs to exist NEXT to reviews and tutorials. Keep going brother the direction is good and the new stuff keeps coming so burn and praise that crap to your own liking.

[@jenstornell]

On Native Instruments. We could pay $50 one month and try out everything they have like demo versions and then buy the good stuff. I don't like that we almost never get demo versions for sample library plugins like many of them are.

[@d.m.ebeats9013]

The Ableton joke got me 😂😂😂😂

[@allstarz631]

Whats your thoughts on Reason13?

[@Weaverbeats]

I think i forgot to add it to this episode. Imma film and edit another ep today with it.

[@codexstudios]

Glad I still have my copy of Logic Pro. ...not gonna use it over Bitwig, but still!

[@lackLUFSter]

I’ll see ya in the bitwig discord soon :)

[@Weaverbeats]

I might start toying with it more. ITS SIMPLY TOO GOOD.

[@lackLUFSter]

@@Weaverbeats well well well, it’s 50% off for the next 10 days 👀 🤔 the time is now

[@nvisionbeats]

This beef got stupid messy glad I exited watching it about half way through

[@crnkmnky]

Just like everything else in the 2020's, it's devolving into a p3do witch hunt.

[@LabofmusicRecords]

16:26 still waiting for the SC tutorial... 😇😂😂

[@alexanderdubious9469]

really diggin the material man. Whats going on with propellerhead? Protools, Propellerhead and Logic were not even at namm this year. They teaming up or what? Maybe roland is gonna come out with some super Daw since they are buying a bunch of top players like Boss and DW. At least PrS and Tama/Ibanez are keeping their dignity.

[@Bthelick]

jebus ableton looks so bad right now, THE so called DJ app and no stem capability. Instead v12 gets a bunch of midi tools that cubase had 12 years ago, very dj'y. And I say this as an ableton user. sad times.

[@pongtrometer]

Auto accompaniment like a Casio pt1 👾🤡 … that stem splitter better let me hear the tape op huffing as they make another cup of tea for the engineer.

[@hectorb8914]

FL been had stem extraction 💀

[@R01499-y]

Fl is ass

[@tommykruesofficial]

Bruh i'm still on Live 10 and more then likely retiring Ableton after i catch up on my main projects.

[@Mattbuchanan71]

“Not bat an A-eye at it.. I see what you did there.

[@808BOT_Beats]

Now how long do we have to wait @ableton. I would love to do this on my push3

[@vinnydaseriokilla]

OH FUCK IM DYING OVER HERE.... ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THAT ONE YOU GLAD YOU GOT THE ONE OFF...LMAO AND THEN THE DABBING ON SAM ASH GOT ME ALL THE WAY FUCKED UP

[@crnkmnky]

Which "one" got you?

[@jrettetsohyt1]

And we hope Ableton will do more than just catch up. And it should happen within Live 12.x.

[@corticallarvae]

I got Life just to piss you off..much love weaver.

[@Weaverbeats]

Ngl I want it

[@corticallarvae]

@@Weaverbeats lol

[@apoplexiamusic]

Ok so my credit card is gonna suffer but only half as much (because of their sale) but i think i need Bitwig. Any tips on cost effective alternatives to the Glue Compressor? Also Weaver, do more jokes with your girlfriend , they are hilarious

[@robshrock-shirakbari1862]

hahaha... I'm lovin' your snarky vibe. Keep on

[@FLH3official]

Now Logic goes to eleven. It will be louder!

[@zmmmzmmmz]

11:32 never laughed this hard at news

[@metalfingers7453]

Cool tattoo bro lmao

[@TheTonecii]

I think im gonna get an extended free trial of Synthmaster 3.

[@playeveryday01]

I saved so much money not using Ableton

[@Maradnus]

Bitwig is what Ableton wanted to be. Bitwig is the only daw I would switch from Logic for!

[@baileywatts1304]

I don't know, man. There's a reason it's not called Ableton Studio

[@drakonyanazkar]

If we dig up tweets from 2010/2012, NO ONE gets into heaven. Just sayin' Unless you weren't old enough to be in the platform I wasn't. Yet I was there. I always pretend I never even had an account.

[@crnkmnky]

💯 We've known this for years, but alas 🔂

[@croay]

Weaver's love affair with Bitwig is real.

[@CrazzyJokerr]

That soundcloud next pro shows it to 99% "people" who dont even listen to that style it's very stupid

[@bearwithit]

I cant do it Weaver, I can learn another daw

[@themadsamplist]

Analog warmth

[@vroteg]

You really got me on this cableguys fake news 😂😅😢 But to be honest I really looking forward to see what else is new in logic. I can’t find any release notes yet. If they improve midi handling so the signal go past instrument I will switch from bitwig on 13 of May.

[@Weaverbeats]

It isn't fake news it's a minor update 🙃

[@peoplelikefrank]

Logic is fantastic.

[@nolanroberts2710]

Bitwig's smart tool alone makes it better than Ableton. Than bounce in place, than there clips launcher is WAY better, and its time stretching is pretty tight, but I still prefer Studio One tbh.

[@jeanlittle6396]

infiltrator...🤣

[@danceswith7wolves]

You get three options warmth or punch

[@2changotb]

Metro is 30 years old which would make him a teenager in 2011

[@crnkmnky]

Thank you for checking the dates. I was about to say, "Wasn't the whole appeal of *Young* Metro that he was this teenager cooking up hit-making beats in FL?" 🙄

[@2changotb]

@@crnkmnky thats outrage culture at its finest, mfs don't know what they talkin about but still mad as hell

[@KordTaylor]

That unrelated link is a bit sketchy. 😮

[@Taitmon]

I knew i picked the right Daw.... logic brothers.... it is our time to conquer!

[@crnkmnky]

Looks pretty good! 🥺 Logic (Student Edition) was the first DAW that I made anything good in, as I'm better with live MIDI than programming. But I boycott any Mac that I have to pay for myself, so I haven't used it in 22 years. I stick with Reaper for emotional (and financial) reasons, but Studio One or Cubase would probably suit me better.

[@MrBitsilly]

Yes! I've been cooking and learning Logic when I got my newish mb back in 2019. I dig it!

[@Phobic_Nova]

valhalla > i may or may not stack like 4 fucking valhalla supermassive effects onto one insert in fl studio-

[@iqnill]

Ableton Live is like MS Word, huge, clunky, but "everybody uses it..." The 12 upgrade is laughable, the "HUGE" feature of the Browser is an absolute joke for 2024, oh well...

[@moskva-kassiopeya]

Not that it’s huge or chunky, still has the best performance of any DAW (maybe except Reaper) but Live 12 was disappointing for sure

[@iqnill]

@@moskva-kassiopeya "Best performance"? In terms of the CPU usage? I don't think so. And sadly, comparing to Bitwig (and I work in both) Live feels old and unfinished. I'm sure you learn to accept it over the years of use, but why?

[@ryanhursh6322]

The 12 update should have been free. I ended up using none of the new features. Literally none. I was stoked about the midi features and I just find them confusing to use.

[@moskva-kassiopeya]

@@ryanhursh6322 damn right, it's definitely was a minor update

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

Would love to hear your amazing work, OP. 🤓

[@kidsonicofficial]

lol people trying to dig up dirt on Metro - b this tweet is from 2011. HE WAS 17 AT THE TIME!!!! His more recent tweets are a bit sus tho.

[@andivax]

SheperBox 3.5.1 offers presets exchange at last 💛💙

[@Positive_Tea]

RIP Sam Ash. Sweetwater Made Music Equipment Stores Great Again if ya know what I mean

[@AlmerosMusicCode]

Haha, Bitwig news is actually only about Ableton... And recent Reason updates are no news?... Actually agree on that last one 😅

[@M.O.E.Playss]

NEWS!

[@infinitedurr]

Disagree about Bitwig; it seems like a nightmare of too many cables, and wanky overly complex features for producers who just want to tweak things and don't want to actually finish tracks (yet oddly no individual swing per track). Ableton strikes a nice balance between enough flexibility while keeping things fairly easy to use and streamlined.

[@jonirischx8925]

Bitwig user here. It's by far the most intuitive DAW out there. The complexity is there if you need it, not forced on you. You're totally right about the lack of swing per track tho. Frustrating it isn't there. But there's workarounds...

[@EnrizeStockMusic]

Bitwig FTW!

[@xNinjaJesuz]

wasn’t metro boomin like 17 in 2011 though??? ppl forget that ppl are younger in the past

[@JesusIced]

HIP HOP EJAY 2

[@coolvibesradio3267]

logic is the best. yeah I know apple... bla bla bla... still the best tho

[@TheOverlordOfProcrastination]

Musicians are going to bat an eye at the use of AI. It’s taking all humanity out of music-making. There is little satisfaction in making music that basically you’re actually not making - you’re cobbling together a jigsaw of other people’s performances and AI interpretation. But that’s where humanity is headed. We are doing less and less.

[@crnkmnky]

It's important to maintain humanity in one's art, but without getting too purist about it. Sampling is making use if other people's performances. _I_ don't do that, but I also don't build my own instruments or understand keys/scales, and I'd rather not 🎛️ mix my own tracks. Doing less is not inherently dehumanizing, *IF* it empowers one to do _more_ of something worthwhile…

[@dk101likeu]

like button comment had me laughing my ass off...

[@deepsynth3495]

I don’t get this vocal instruments, surely when you use it you just sound like everyone else that uses it or am I mistaken?

[@Weaverbeats]

It depends how you use it just like any vst or "real" instrument

[@deepsynth3495]

@@Weaverbeats Hey sick, thanks for the reply, Hello from South Africa. I guess you are right, but surely there is a big difference between using a Kontakt Cello Library then a vocal sample library. I only say because of the disaster of splice vocals, Its like first come first serve, if you upload a track with the vocal, anyone else after that wont get released due to "copyright" PS, Been using ableton since v3 die hard. 12 disapointed me so much that I actually bought bitwig instead. Honestly Bitwig is leagues ahead of anyone in the market. Sure all the nes stuff is dope like the EQs compressors, but what people dont see is the workflow, its just a more complete DAW, for example, BOunce a track or group then disable the plugins on group level with one button to turn all plugins. Being able to hide tracks, Being able to "enter" a group and only work on those tracks without seeing the whole arrangement. The new Audio editing is incredible as well. Dude you need to do a ableton bitwig showdown please, oh PS bitwig also has pretty much reaktor 6 built in as well

[@crnkmnky]

​@@deepsynth3495 Before virtual instruments became powerful, producers would buy workstation keyboards & rack modules & sample libraries to have a unique cutting-edge sound, but eventually the competition acquires the same tools. The modern situation with "Content ID" is a little different, but it causes a similar race to exploit the best sounds before everyone else learns your "secret weapon." 🤔 I've yet to try any of these new-style instruments like Glaze and Arcade. If I can resist the temptation to sound "marketable," they ought to make a good starting point… a sonic broth. 😋