Lolita Reacts to Drama Kween & The Lolita Aesthetic

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#DramaKween #lolitaaesthetic #lolitafashion

[@kitnkitn3902]

It's so odd and honestly sad how when people think something is childish they automatically go to sexualize it. Like they see Lolitas, think it's childish and then sexualize it. Why is the automatic response to seeing something cute and childish to sexualize it?? I don't understand. Oh well Adorable coord btw! Absolutely love it 💞

[@LovelyLor]

LITERALLY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND EITHER!?!?!

[@kkuudandere]

it's really concerning because people will claim lolita is a f*tish because it's child-like... but also go out of their way to s*xualize children. I had to correct some guy the other day because he accused literal high school girls of wearing "s*xy school girl outfits". I had to tell him I've worked with kids and those are CHILDREN wearing their UNIFORMS. why was his first impulse to say that? how come everything associated with kids gets turned into... THAT? people are really weird.

[@HeyHeyNingenSucker]

That on its own is creepy as fck.

[@butterbun7033]

Yeah...it's extremely ironic that they do that and yet call US the weird ones, there's a weird culture rn of infantilizing everything and also try to view that as "s*xual" and then framing the person or object or act as wrong just because *they* made that completely illogical and incorrect connection. It's very odd and exhausting.

[@kagitsune]

@@butterbun7033 It's just classic victim blaming, like how men blame women for being too hot and they suddenly can't control themselves. 🙄

[@rosiered6712]

This video is the definition of "they had us in the first half, not gonna lie"

[@LovelyLor]

HAHA TRULY!

[@namtellectjoonal7230]

lmao yes xD I watched the video before so I was like "Don't worry Lor, keep watching, it gets better" xD

[@kagitsune]

I walked into this ready to fight, omg

[@MidoriLeaf-sr5fy]

I wanted to write the exat same comment. 😂😂😂

[@hypehype666]

alternative communities can be so over-sexualized across the board... reminds me of the "big titty goth gf" stereotype projected on goth women as well, and the harassment that results from that. it's just repackaged "manic pixie dream girl" shit & it's so weird. some of us just want to express ourselves!

[@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118]

Something I noticed is that the assumptions people make about other alternative styles often overlap with what people assume about lolita. Like the assumption that people wearing gothic fashion are into kink/bdsm stuff even if they don't incorporate items in their look that are inspired by fetish wear, the same assumption is made for lolita fashion. All the styles are accused of "doing it for attention" which I suspect is projection and the people who say it would only wear alt fashion for the attention so they assume everyone else must also think the same. Mainstream people seem more open to dating alt people now compared to the 90s, but perhaps that's due to the "big titty goth gf" trope so not progress at all. Whether I wear gothic fashion or gothic lolita fashion a lot of people still think it's scary and weird and make assumptions about my lifestyle, and then they are surprised that I like a lot of the same things as they do including having a good laugh. I'm honestly glad I don't love contemporary sweet lolita because that would mean a different set of misconceptions to deal with.

[@feliu9502]

Lolita is just a spanish name, it comes from "Dolores" wich means "pains" and it's what people give me everytime they mix the topics

[@quirkyblackenby]

Yeah I think a lotta people forget Lolita is a Spanish name

[@SqueakTheKittehxx]

In the book HH says "in my arms she was always lolita" I believe it means that she was always sad and in pain because of what he did to her. But because HH is so sick and twisted he doesn't see it that way.

[@daninoa9650]

@@SqueakTheKittehxx The character's name is Dolores though so I'm not too sure about the significance of that particular sentence. I do think the name Dolores could have been a deliberate choice though on Nabokov's part.

[@joemamacaprisun]

@@SqueakTheKittehxx i still cant tell if that is the most disturbing book ive ever read or a terrifyingly well written book on the mind of a predator lmao

[@Nao-ow3rr]

@@SqueakTheKittehxx Nah, the word that means pain is Dolores, he says that she was Lo for her family and friends, the nickname they had for her, but was Lolita for him. I think that paragraph serves to highlight how the protagonists impression of Dolores is solely created by his own mind and desires, and that he values it over reality and Dolores's own opinion of even herself. Which is adequate to put at the very beginning of the book since the major theme with Lolita is Humbert being an unreliable narrator and everything from the reader's perspective being conveniently wrapped around his worldview.

[@frill.dweller]

If someone sees something cute, and then it's automatically a child, and then it's automatically sexual........... they are the ones being creepy by infantilizing and sexualizing something in the same breath 🤷

[@butterbun7033]

That's literally what I'm saying! Like...normal people don't...think like that or associate those things at all! And yet people accuse us lolitas of being wrong or creepy like no...buddy *you* made that weird connection not US

[@goddessofchaos2679]

Hey try to being 4’11 adult we get used by idiots saying we pedo bait and any man who likes small women are pedos lol

[@CS-zb7hx]

I feel like it's still important to acknowledge that there ARE people using children's aesthetics (school girl outfits, nymphette fashion, etc) in a sexualized way. And just because we shouldn't be running around calling all "cute" things "child-like" doesn't mean it's never appropriate to call someone out on what they're doing.

[@frill.dweller]

@@CS-zb7hx yeah i do think there's weird and wrong stuff out there for sure, but some people think a fancy lolita dress has the same intention as a lil bikini with the word "daddy" on it and i'm kinda sick of it 😅

[@123goldenlily]

It also goes the other way-- people see adults as being inherently sexual (and therefore wrong, dirty, etc. thanks Christianity) when that's not necessarily the case, both for individuals or just situations

[@duchessleon]

As a furry and a Lolita thank you for saying we aren't all sexual deviants. Furries and lolitas both have issue with the media saying were purely sexual for our hobby/interests and its really frustrating. Thank you for understanding.

[@Alansaurus]

As an asexual furry and lolita, its so frustrating and honest gross when people say that stuff to me!!! Its so great to see ppl who understand

[@kawograham]

furry and lolita!?! omg the cutest combo for sure does your sona wear lolita?

[@Alansaurus]

@@kawograham Yeah, my main sona is! She is a sweet lolita, tho I myself mainly wear classic or sailor!

[@kawograham]

@@Alansaurus ehehe that's so cool :D

[@Alansaurus]

@@kawograham ahh thank u!!!

[@pivoine3176]

"Lolita is a term that derives from the 1955 novel" No. No it's not. It's the abbrevation/cute version of the name Dolores, for heaven sake. Sigh.

[@Slithera]

Right? It just means "little Lola". It has an unfortunate association because of the novel, but the name itself isn't dirty or bad at all, and Nabokov didn't invent it. :\

[@noodlesoupyy]

Kind of how the name Adolf was essentially 'bad' because of one person although it exists as a normal name before said person. why am I talking about him as if he's Voldemort

[@Slithera]

@@noodlesoupyy I get what you're trying to say, but I don't think that comparing a real human being who committed very real atrocities to a fictional abused child in a novel is remotely the same.

[@noodlesoupyy]

@@Slithera i know and I'm not saying that they're comparable, I'm saying the way people act about the names is kind of in the same vein.

[@shibuyes]

Yeah I know a couple of older Filipina ladies over the years named Lolita, either has their nickname or actual legal name. Their names never had anything to do the book or fashion it is just a name to them since it’s common over there lol

[@8bitgalaxyhunts]

It's so disappointing when people see an alternative community and automatically think, 'I don't understand this, so it must be sexual.'

[@tstymctst]

Goths also understand our subculture being misconstrued as overly sexual. I'm sick of the "big titty goth gf" trope, but it'll stick around as long as people refuse to understand that the fetish goth look is not the whole community and does not mean every goth is into kink. (No thanks to the people out there who aren't in the subculture but use that particular look to further the misconception so they can get attention and "edgy girl" points on the internet 🙄) re the video itself, when Drama Kween said, "not a lot of people take Lolita fashion seriously," I understood her to mean people outside the community not taking it seriously. I don't think she was saying people in the community aren't serious about it. But honestly, the majority of people don't take alternative fashions seriously if they're not part of one of those alternative groups.

[@xkidmidnightx]

I just hate that people call themselves goths when they don't even listen to goth music. To be goth you have to be into goth music. Also, its always made me sad there was never a big pec goth boyfriend fetish 😭

[@tstymctst]

@@xkidmidnightx Yeah, it is frustrating that so many people don't even care to learn about the roots of goth and just want to play dress-up in the clothes. Our dress code isn't as defined as Lolita, but there is still a specific foundation to the subculture itself! Even in my baby bat years, living in the southern US in the 90s, with no venues and very few resources, I was able to learn at least a little about goth music. There's really no excuse now, with the mass of information available at people's fingertips and so many current goth and post-punk bands to enjoy!

[@xkidmidnightx]

@@tstymctst Oh wow, I grew up in the 90s in the south too. Did you ever listen to Coyote J's radio show? He would spin all goth and industrial music every Sunday night in Alabama and Georgia. It totally blew my mind hearing it when I was 12 and listening to MC Hammer 😂🤣. For sure though, it's a new golden age of goth and post punk stuff! So much awesome stuff coming out after a couple decades of eh.

[@tstymctst]

@@xkidmidnightx Oh, that would've been awesome, but I'm not familiar with his show. I'm not sure if we had any stations in Arkansas that aired him. I mostly got my music recommendations from friends who had less strict parents than I did, and my info from magazines and the very limited internet access I got once in a while. If I had known there was a good radio show to listen to, I'd have been all over it!

[@eminempreg]

I'm not even goth. No where close, although I do appreciate the style but it also irritated me how people would be talking about big titty goth gfs. And then the "goth gf" would just be a girl in black. Like not even goth. Gotta love people slapping the label emo/goth to any style that favors darker colors

[@milviaramires5374]

Yea my grandma was a Dolores. Everyone called her Lolita. The name is old and doesn't originate from the book.

[@hattiethehatter2221]

In the book "Lolita a Style Icon"- a book that explores women's attraction to innocent, feminine and juvenile aesthetics; correctly states that 'Japanese Lolita' has no connection with Nabokov. Whats interesting is that for styles that do take from Delores Haze such as kinderwhore or the dollette/coquette are actually also based on feminist principles, reclaiming the look from the male fantasy.

[@psychotophatcat]

Nymphet is the last term I've seen used for fashion inspired by the book. Kinderwhore was more of a punk rock thing isn't it?

[@kagitsune]

That's so interesting! I didn't know those other styles are also from a feminist perspective.

[@o_august7908]

I agree about the feminist principles- but I would like to also add that from my own experience in blogging, chatting, and being in dollette/coquette discords- a good size of the community overlaps with the trauma-core in the sense that it is about reclaiming things that weren't able to wear or do when actually young. It is very therapeutic to be able to dress and look and create happiness for yourself like how you wished to when younger.

[@kagitsune]

@@o_august7908 Oh wow, that does indeed sound very therapeutic.

[@hattiethehatter2221]

@@psychotophatcat definitely, ‘Nymphet’ is what the novels antagonist Humbert calls lanky 9-14 year olds in the novel. Some use this term for fashion others prefer not to hence the rebranding ‘Croquette’. Kinderwhore has punk/riotgrrl origins- started by bands such as ‘Babes In Toyland’ and ‘Hole’.

[@shammydammy2610]

Sigh. Lolita, as a name or term of endearment, is a derivative from Lola, which itself can often be a derivative of other names such as Lourdes. It existed as a term or term of endearment well before Nabokov.

[@daninoa9650]

Even in the book, it's a nickname for Dolores. The term Humbert Humbert uses to describe the particular types of precocious young girls he is disturbingly fixated on in the book is nymphet. I just started the video so I'm not too sure what to expect but the first sentence of the video Lor is reacting to is already incorrect...

[@perfectapple]

It makes me sad to see the book dismissed as gross without any more depth (even though I will be the first person to tell you it's a nauseating read in many parts). Nabokov himself was a victim of CSA, and the story is not meant to paint Humbert in a positive light. Unfortunately, people have been wildly misinterpreting the book for decades now, including every major adaptation of it, so it's kind of a lost cause. I recommend the Lolita Podcast, which goes in-depth to the book and its legacy, including interviews with people in the first group that Drama Kween mentioned. The podcast host acknowledges but doesn't discuss lolita fashion since it's basically unrelated to the book. It's pretty great, if you can handle the heaviness of the topic.

[@quirkyblackenby]

Yeah as a CSA survivor I really wanna read it because it sounds like it discusses grooming which is barely talked about

[@LovelyLor]

I definitely talk more about this….in the video I referenced through out 🤣 I have a video timeline in the description of that video if you want to hear me talk more about the book 👍

[@perfectapple]

@@LovelyLor Oh you didn't say anything wrong, it was the video you were reacting to that called it a gross book. I'll have to check out your other video, I think it's from before my wife subscribed to you. ☺️

[@perfectapple]

@@quirkyblackenby Fair warning, It's pretty awful and devastating if you've been through it yourself, but reading it is literally what made me realize I was a victim. It helped me understand that it wasn't my fault, and that the person who hurt me was selfish, and self-justifying, and knew all along that he was hurting me deep down.

[@wenisme9670]

I think its simply bc he write humbert as the protagonist. People like to think protagonist=nice person or the writer want you to think they are nice person. And I dont know Nabokov is a victim, all the articles I read about him always said he is inspired by relationship between charlie chaplin and his 14 y.o cousin

[@kukki.kosplays6324]

I really think Tripp used the word lolita to reference mostly old-school gothic lolita with the lace. It's just lolita inspired

[@biguattipoptropica]

That makes sense, given their usual offerings.

[@NannaMorningstar]

What TikTok calls lolita aesthetic or lolitacore is nymphet fashion

[@jeyy_beyy]

“lolita sexualizes children” no…it doesn’t. Just because people wear pastel colors and cute dresses, doesn’t make them like “children” not only children own the cute fashion of pastel dresses.

[@babyfaceweeb8937]

Me wondering what kid she saw wearing a shirt that says "baby girl" I would be a bit concerned

[@thelostsockunderthebed5458]

Everyone I know who discovered Lolita fashion themselves discovered Lolita fashion ages before they found out about the book and didn’t find the book by themselves they were always told about it from someone else

[@NoiseDay]

My theory for why people sexualize things (Lolita fashion, furries) is this: Sees new thing -> animal brain uncomfortable Me uncomfortable = bad Sex = bad (because society?) Therefore, new + uncomfortable = sexual??? There's more nuance to this but I don't have the energy to explain

[@eminempreg]

Tbh yeah. I feel like society has this notion that as an adult you can't really 'play' around. You're supposed to work, get a house, have a family, and then retire/die. Maybe a small kick back or vacation every now and then. And so I think the notion of having a hobby that isn't productive ( In that it literally produces something, music, art, clothes) is foreign to a lot of people. So they see someone enjoying something for the sake of enjoying it and can't wrap their head around it so they jump to it having an ulterior motive.

[@onceihadasweetheart]

I don't think it's a "sex is bad" thing so much as a "I can not comprehend a person doing something outside the norm if not for sexual reasons because I can't divorce myself from an animalistic framework wherein sex is the motivation for any and all action" thing... lol

[@OpossumOnTheMoon]

That really isn’t the case with furries. They have a very vocal NSFW part of their fandom and were known for having orgies at conventions (don’t know if actually true but it was really popular thing said a few years back).

[@themelonsoup]

We think sex is bad because Christianity is running the show and they said it was bad. I read an English copy of the Kamasutra and it was all about what size penis is the best and all that good stuff. Lol

[@peppa_destruidora_deautoestima]

@@OpossumOnTheMoon wtf dude this is not real

[@melissacelestepizza5295]

Ugh I was in line at Knotts Berry Farm and I had a hello kitty backpack on and a lady with her two young daughters were behind me and the girls started playing with my keychains and the lady told them to stop and she apologized to me but I said it’s ok and she said “your backpack is verrry attractive to a five year old” like if I shouldn’t have had it in the first place and it was an anniversary gift from my husband 😐 why is there a cut off for cute things? My mom still loves hello kitty, she grew up with it, some people don’t get it 🤡

[@lucinda3964]

My mother in law, whom i would consider a fancy and sophisticated lady also loves Hello Kitty. She is pushing 60 and was super excited to get a hello kitty phone case for her iPhone, hello kitty pyrex for her lunches, she even has a hello kitty dangly hanging from her review mirror in her audi. Cute things know no age, gender or social class and you should always get permission to mess around with things. Wearing something in public does not make that thing public property.

[@honeybuggz7552]

Okay this is super nitpicky so I apologize. But Lolita has no meaning. It does not mean a sexual girl or anything like that. Lolita is the girls name in the book, short of Delorace. I think people get it mixed up with the word nymphet and haven't ever actually read the book. This fake meaning we've placed on a word that is purely someone's name also affects lolita fashion as people think it has some sexual definition. Moral of the story, it's just a name.

[@bloooooooooop]

this is the cutest coord i have ever seen

[@LovelyLor]

Oh my gosh thank you so much!!

[@ponkpixels367]

That's the problem with Lor. She has too cute coords!

[@LovelyLor]

@@ponkpixels367 GAW SHUCKS teehee

[@madaffi2434]

I just realized where I've seen the word Lolita for the first time. As an explanation for what Lolicon (yuck!) is, as a genre of manga. And in general, I expect there's more people who see it first in some connection with anime/manga. So I'm thinking, maybe that's another reason for this fashion style being sexualized?

[@NoiseDay]

Absolutely, that's where I first heard the term. When I was first diving into anime, there was both "Lolita dresses" and "lolis" or "lolicons." Nobody could blame me for conflating the two. Now I have no idea where the term "lolicon" came from, but I wonder if it's a play off of the nymphet nonsense stemming from the book. What I'd really like to know is why the fashion is also called Lolita.

[@temp_unknown]

@@NoiseDay Lolicon is a compound word like siscon, brocon, which just means 'X complex'. In sis/brocon (I've even seen the term momcon/dadcon too) it's usually a relative who is overbearing and cares a lot about their relative, and doesn't want to see them hurt by other romantically or platonically. It definitely wasn't always sexual, but it has unfortunately taken on that sexual meaning since people who use it now are referring to actual incest. Lolicon at one point was just lolita complex, meaning a liking/affinity for cute girls, it's taken on a sexual meaning just like siscon/brocon has. Sadly I don't think the words can or should be reclaimed because of how they're seen by wider audiences. Also the lolita in lolicon has nothing to do with the fashion, though I can't say for sure it's referencing the book. The name of the fashion also gets brought up a lot but I haven't seen any actual historical literature (i.e. firsthand accounts from japanese wearers) tying it back to the book, so I don't think it's modeled after the character Dolores. Kinda like how gyaru has taken on a meaning other than literally just 'gal' through the fashion, lolita isn't just a book about grooming and exploitation, it's also a literal nickname in use for centuries and a name of a jfashion subgenre.

[@courtneycherry5582]

I was into anime before I got into lolita so I also heard of Lolicon and was terrified to type in Lolita fashion had to safety search it first 😂

[@lolymop333]

Personally, as an apothisexual (sex-repulsed asexual that is also repulsed by sexual media and content), I absolutely HATE that so many people associated lolita fashion with fetishes. I discovered the fashion long before I knew about the book and only learned about the book through a video explaining that the 2 were not related.

[@Yoshiatsusbiggestfan]

The word 'Lolita' does not really mean what Drama Kween claims. In fact, the word 'nymphet' matches the defination they gave more

[@raisedfromash]

“Lolita aesthetic” is the term mostly used to mean inspired by the movie and was made mostly popularized on tumblr when Lana was really popular on there. There’s definitely a different connotation between “Lolita Aesthetic” and “Lolita Fashion”

[@Bat.of.the.graveyard]

i hate how someone like me (19) wears pigtails or puffy dresses or likes cute “kid like things” then im “sexualizing kids” why is me,,an adult!! looking “childish” sexy?????? i know about different things and acts but with context. clearly im not doing any of those things. i would like ppl to stop projecting there kinks and fetishes on to others. like u dont see me yelling about two ppl fight cuz one of them choked the other and i think thats to sexual. lmao sorry for the rant. i love this video and the explication . i dont wanna out myself on certain things but im on a certain side of this battle and feel your pain.

[@NGSolaria]

It's so sad to hear that abt yk what :( I hope you've recovered from that harassment

[@LovelyLor]

Kind of, kind of not. I used to feel like I wanted to cover everything around lolita and misconceptions but I feel like I will avoid certain topics and not put myself at risk for things I'm not involved in, if that makes sense. Which is kind of a bummer cause I like researching, learning and sharing but some things make people a little unhinged and it scares me.

[@NGSolaria]

@@LovelyLor Yea maybe that's safer :) It sucks that with your platform you can't be really be open fully about much because there's that one portion that takes too much out of context, gets offended and gets very mad 😔🚶‍♂️

[@IonIsFalling7217]

And playing pretend. Playing pretend is FUN regardless of age! But for some reason, when I turned 18, pretending I’m a horse when I jump hurdles turned from cute and innocent to kinky and sexual and not for the public.

[@themelonsoup]

And that's fine! There's nothing wrong with being kinky as long as everyone's safe and consenting. 🙂

[@bercedesmenz956]

@@themelonsoup you missed the point

[@sailorraine2676]

I remember when I first started being super interested in Lolita fashion, I was around 12 I think. I told my grandparents that I wanted to wear Lolita dresses and they instantly were appalled, and instantly thought of the book.. my own grandparents 😭 that sucks-

[@julienicol9202]

When I watched Drama Kween’s video at first I was scared too. I’m glad I didn’t click off of it and heard her out, because she did a good job with the video.

[@julienicol9202]

Oh gosh, thanks for the heart Lor!🥰💖 What a pleasant surprise!

[@kaskus7147]

The thing that people seem to forget is that in the book Lolita the girl is referred to as a nymphet. That is what the esthetic would actually be called.

[@rosemorris8181]

tbh i do kind of take umbrage with the idea of "we should call people out for wearing children's clothing" posited by Drama Kween because like... where do we draw the line? children wear child sized versions of adult clothing all the time! that's normal! it's clothes! we're going to keep going on weird goose chases if we "call out" every woman we see "sexualizing children's clothing" because at the end of the day they're like... usually not wearing children's clothing? this goes for both lolita dresses or tennis skirts or overalls or whatever? this is largely a perception based on misogyny, that women are "asking for it" based on what they're wearing, and that women aren't in control of their own sexuality. pedophiles aren't interested in adult women wearing "childish" clothes! if pedophilia is what we're concerned about, say that. and another minor nitpick: the idea that Lolita & Vladimir Nabokov are not relevant in modern culture is a bit strange- Nabokov was hugely influential on modern literature, and the idea of an "unreliable narrator" presented in Lolita is still largely important today. i think a lot of people haven't read Nabokov's Lolita (not encouraging ppl to read it if it will trigger them or if they are uncomfortable with the content) but it's important to remark that it isn't an ENDORSEMENT of pedophiles, although the Kubrick film does do a lot of aestheticize and sensationalize the story, which is perhaps why it holds such a contentious position in modern culture.

[@ticcitoasty]

i’m gonna say it because it needs to be said people need to stop labeling everyone as a predator over clothes/aesthetics. it really hurts victims more than it could ever help. misusing charged and specific language really waters it down and makes it harder for all of us to know exactly what they mean and what to look out for (ntm how often they are used as dogwhistles against a lot of unrelated communities like queer people). it would also help if people stop using words like “kink” or “sexual-“ in these topics because they too are used as dogwhistles! it makes less sense with fashion but a lot of people don’t understand the damage this language has done to people and their communities. it’s the same antagonism i got when i came out, or when people i know or know of came out. it’s not helping anyone to try to monitor and police levels of sexuality in fashion, and i feel it’s important to note how this same language is used against queer people and other groups.

[@elizabetholmos652]

I'm so happy someone outside of the community represented it properly to outsiders. Also I love your wig!

[@tay3866]

I was just staring at the bunny’s face in the background.

[@leciel1133]

I like how you mentioned Lolita is just a name out there and he did not invent it. I have an aunt named Lola which Lolita could’ve been used as a nickname for her maybe when she was younger cuz Mexicans normally add -ita to someone’s name if they’re young or for a nickname as a form of affection. For instance myself, I’m Claudia but people will call me Claudita lol idk if other cultures do that. But that was my first experience with the name and that’s what I thought, it’s just a name and then later on I found Lolita fashion and still just related it to just a name and considered it a cute name for a cute fashion. I found out about the book 🤢 after discovering the fashion.

[@euthanizemyself6972]

I’ve been listening to “The Sims - Neighborhood theme song 4” on repeat for weeks 💀 Opening your video with that was a hoot. I appreciate your art choices a lot, and your references always hit so good. Love ur channel Lor. ✨💫

[@eminempreg]

That's such a specific song to listen to on repeat lol. But like. I can't say anything.

[@ea5145]

yooo I love the placement of that bow on your head. Such a cute outfit

[@kagitsune]

Lor, I remember your video that you eventually deleted (I remember I really appreciated your research), but Holy shit I didn't know that you had gotten literally doxxed over it. That is absolutely terrible. I am sorry that you went through through such an awful experience.

[@rx500android]

I actually like Drama Kween's videos in general, and I think her video was fine overall. Me and other lolitas had a conversation about it in the comments

[@pinkesthibiscus]

Your makeup is so cute here, Lor! I love that blouse too. Overall incredibly adorable look but that eye makeup in particular is just too darn cute.

[@themelonsoup]

Technically nymphet is the term for the girls, but I'm pretty sure that's just supposed to be their age and thin body type. He goes into detail about it in the first chapter. Most people who reference Lolita the book haven't read one page.

[@nekorina9011]

"Lolita comes from the novel--" Lolita is literally a first name in a lot of Hispanic countries 😐 Also LANA DEL REY?? When the FUCK has Lana del Rey EVER been involved with the fashion?? Aside from that song she did which literally has nothing to do with the fashion and just romanticizes the novel version

[@achilles.7381]

I LOVE THE CORD!!

[@lolahbell]

Omg Lor the "..... Ouch" made me snort my juice out of my nose.

[@aleahbun4892]

i think the tripp collection was definitely a reference to old school lolita fashion! thats what i first thought when i saw the collection, like its not supposed to actually be worn in lolita fashion but its rather just inspired by old school lolita.

[@HimeCookie]

when people see an adult wearing colorful clothes, it's wrong because "only 12-year-olds can wear colorful clothes" why can't adults?

[@plushdragonteddy]

what women wear is so often seen as something they're only doing for the attention of men, to the point where even when the clothing they wear is clearly non-sexual and childlike, the conclusion isn't "oh she's not doing this for a man"," it's "oh gross, this is what she thinks a man will be into." (not that only women wear lolita, but it is a fashion that society at large sees as being for women, so the conclusions society draws from it are based on its view of women and their clothing)

[@christiannataylor2735]

Yeah, people just need to keep kink away from not kink communities. There's plenty of information elsewhere, if someone wants to they can find it 😕

[@babyfaceweeb8937]

3:07 and that aesthetic is more known as the Coquette aesthetic and they also don't romanticize lolita, they just liked the fashion in the movie which is completely valid in my opinion.

[@amberkay6637]

I agree I looked for a video of someone not in Lolita fashion to get a more nuanced opinion and watched her video! She brought in a different audience while still spreading the right message / the truth !

[@SebastianSeanCrow]

7:15 I remember that video and as someone very open minded and someone who’s listened a lot of of people, I think you did a fairly good job. It was fairly neutral in my opinion and the main point was things like don’t use other peoples pics w/o permission and the separation of certain spaces + appropriate behaviors in said spaces. It felt very much like “everything has its place/time, please keep things to their place/time” which is something I wholly agree with

[@Grace-ms7un]

I've also heard lolita referred to as a type of nymphet fashion by the channel nymphet fashion. It is portrayed as an extention of girlhood rather than a cute version of high society women's rococco.

[@princessdaya5781]

i watch her vids, she uses the term lolita to refer to fashion inspired by the novel and movie by nabokov, not japanese lolita fashion. shes also inspired by larme magazine and has mentioned before that the term "lolita" was also used similarly in an issue. it can be confusing to anyone outside of either subculture

[@hooray4pie145]

It's so ironic because Lolita fashion was originally a counterculture movement to escape the male gaze and the concept of being the perfect wife and mother 😐

[@jules6973]

there was this really amazing podcast series i listened to about how the nabokov book has been misinterpreted forever especially in film , when the actual book is supposed to have an unreliable narrator who youre supposed to realize is an abuser and the villain of the story. i think it was just called the lolita podcast? they briefly gloss over how the egl community doesn't have anything to do with the book and a more thorough dive on the fashion aesthetic that actually was derived from the (once again, inaccurate to the book and sexualized) movies

[@rachelmullin6571]

I'm sorry you went through that. x

[@fallingapart]

The english style that is derived from the book lolita today is refered to coquette style today

[@elizabetha3936]

I listened to a podcast that did an excellent job of talking about the novel and the the name. It's a nickname if Dolores.

[@mintjaan]

I've actually worn a trip dress in a coord once (it was an Ero coord) But I paired it with old school black and white accessories.

[@momokunn]

There's literally a girl on Instagram showing off her lolita dress and one of this comment say "why you're romanticizing p*do, what's wrong with you" and I was screaming inside.. like woooot... 😫

[@devinbaggs7542]

Yay that ended on a high note! I was also fearing the worst, lol. But good on Drama Kween laying it out straight.

[@thepinkestpigglet7529]

Mentioning the acceptance of children dressing "adult" makes sense to me, I was being shamed for not being dressed for my age in middle school for wearing scottie dog print shirts, now I'm being shamed for wanting to wear frilly dresses with scottie dog prints. People just want people to not act like kids, even kids themselves. This is actually part of the reason lolota fashion got started, rejecting the idea that the second you hit puberty you have to start presenting yourself as an ideal wife and mother to attract men.

[@elizabethwissmiller4060]

This explains why Facebook was giving me grief when I was trying to find groups using the word lolita.

[@greatjob_barbara]

Hi Lor! I will always watch your reaction videos. You do so well staying composed and not attacking people personally, which I wouldn't be able to do. Great job!

[@pasitheathanatosasmr488]

This was such an emotional rollercoaster!

[@blackrosebud2331]

Personally I look at those Tripp clothes and I feel like they look more cyber goth then Lolita

[@eeriearl]

that headbow was hanging on for dear life

[@animeOfDarkness405]

Just got Peter rabbit op dress from devilinspired it has a cute printed bunny tie with tiny fluffy tail mini bow on the head and it looks very cute i had to preorder it i was lucky brought it before it sold out

[@appleoatie]

omg u fanning yourself after getting flustered; ur literally a victorian princess

[@herminadepagan3407]

Because it is a hyper feminine fashion that is not focused on the male gaze the fashion has been infantilized and sexualized as a kink to make sense of it.

[@RoyaltySlayer]

Aww I'm sorry Lor I am very sorry that people kept telling you that all of these video are the same. I really enjoy all of them.

[@Maiden_]

I remember when I was in Japan for vacation I wanted to get a Lolita dress (I stilldon't have a lolita dress 😞) and my stepmother didn't want to get it for me because it was a form of se**alizing children I explained to her that it wasn't like that but I couldn't change her mind she insisted about it. I should have sent one of your videos to her!

[@rowan-priince1860]

Nice Honeylambs plush!

[@sallypumpkin8201]

Belle Delphine wore nymphett fashion (the real term for "Lolita asthetic") a lot.

[@dionysusleon2033]

*knows super old women named lolita* …*some older than the book*.. yes the word created by Nabokov.

[@Chaesoneandonly]

10:57 speaking of that I never knew there was a book😰😃

[@gabyb5280]

Thanks for including the name of your weird plushie friend! I've been seeing them in your videos and wondering where I could get one for myself :)

[@Marinakei]

I don't even think people read that book anymore so why is it even relevant haha

[@Ian8Abbie]

Your hair (or wig) is so pretty!! It suits you so well :>

[@Dvgteeth]

Aaaah you’re a Honeylambs fan as well! 💕

[@hello.krista]

Maybe I live under a rock but I'm shocked at how many people know what Lolita the book is. I had no clue what it was when going into the fashion and literally no one I know talks about that book. Also, why the heck does Texas get tim Hortons but Seattle doesn't get it and we are a few hours from the border 😒

[@kayaqueen6982]

I love lolita style because it's sooooo away from sexy much more as cuuuuuute , i love lolita fashion

[@smeekyevie4348]

really good video! off topic but i am wondering where you got your outfit? im jealous of it :P !!

[@tadashihatsudai]

I don’t even wear Lolita but I’d pass that video on to anyone who even dares to talk shit about the fashion. 💀🌸🔥

[@NGSolaria]

Also, beautiful outfit :) It's very pretty

[@sonianevermindultimateprin659]

I have seen your thumbnail,i am suitably terrified

[@sonianevermindultimateprin659]

ok, it was not nearly as bad as i thought!

[@sonianevermindultimateprin659]

also omigosh your bunny!!!!

[@springchildhood5742]

I like the lolita aesthetic :3

[@jachowl4467]

I knew the bunny toy was honey lambs, love the story's and toy range.

[@pannycakesart]

As a lolita fursuiter, yes, we understand XD

[@brees3]

I'm totally with you as far as the frustration that people see Lolita fashion as sexual. As a passive, casual part of the community, I've never seen (on KZbin, Twitter, insta) anyone in Lolita trying to get sexual attention. Where I disagree is on furries. Literally every time Fursuit Friday is trending, at least 50% of the posts are furry thirst traps. Not saying all furries are sexualizing it. But it's quite apparent a large part of that community do. Maybe it's just a vocal minority. I'm not in the community so I don't know. But there's a reason people outside of the furry community think it's a sex thing. It's because for a seemingly large amount of furries, it is a sex thing.

[@koikat6638]

Meanwhile I will have to disagree with you. I believe that your experience with the furry community is similar to how when people first look up lolita, they see the book. I am personally not part of community but I do see more stuff related to the community due to my connections. I won't say that it's necessarily an extreme minority for the NSFW side of the community, but it is still a minority of which most of them make the fact their works are NSFW very clear and out of the way of people who don't want to see that. The majority of Furries in general though go about their hobby as you would see in most fandoms.

[@brees3]

@@koikat6638 I see your point but I guess my experience has just been different. The frustration the lolita fashion community feels makes a ton of sense to me because they have done nothing to bring it on. I've literally never seen an actual lolita try to sexualize the fashion. On the other hand, I have seen actual furries sexualize themselves pretty often so when I hear furries say "Oh my god why do people think it's a sex thing?" Well... because it is for some of them. That's the difference for me but I see your side.

[@Tiny_Koi]

The difference is that ppl wearing EGL who try to make it sexual get shut down pretty quickly and a large aspect of US lolita comms is all ages community. It's obviously not appropriate for ppl who don't want to be included in kink to be forced to be especially if they are kids. Many asexuals also have found a home in EGL. Nonsexulization or the idea that your body isn't inherently sexual is a pillar of this community. Vs furries who see no need to shut down this behavior since it's all in good fun and I'd say that they use sexuality as a form of expression. Sex also just sells which is why the most popular posts being seen by outsiders are that of say a fursuit thirst trap. Sexual expression isn't necessary a pillar of furry communities but I'd say it appears to be important to most furries to express their sexuality like being LGBTQIA! Even today there isn't many places for queer ppl to be openly themselves so I think of furry communities as more of a place for that expression than inherently sexual. Thus why you will find so many furries are queer.

[@Tiny_Koi]

Perhaps as well when fursuit Friday is trending 50 percent are sexual because it confirms a bias that outsiders already have.

[@charkore8943]

honestly as a {aro-ace}furry myself i kinda agree- ff used to be super non sexual but as time went on all i saw was fursuit butt shots- to the point we’re i just stopped bothering with following up on ff at all.. the furry community is so “sex-positive” that a lot of them don’t realise that not everything has to connected to sexual liberty in some type of way… i just wanna see cute fursuits… ;w;

[@Madsters333]

I made a dress in animal crossing and I was gonna name sweet lolita but you aren't allowed to use lolita for a name it's deemed inappropriate 9w9 I know its irrelevant but thought I'd mention it

[@cloudfangirl7360]

LOVE YOU LOR💗💗

[@LovelyLor]

Love you too !🤗💗

[@TheobaldLeonhart]

Again, I first thought of l*lic*ns (censoring, just in case) when I first heard of Lolitas I had no idea, that there was a book by the same name, until I watched Lolita videos

[@pikatron69]

it's killing me that she doesn't seem to understand that lolita is a name that comes from the name dolores. also I hate how she talks about the book as if it's evil.

[@DittoAPokemon]

I remember the video you mentioned having deleted and I'm very shocked to hear you got so much harassment over it. I thought you were super neutral in it, but some groups are just volatile.

[@littlekirby4648]

Omg I love that wig Lor! Could you please tell me where you got it it's just perfect!

[@LovelyLor]

It’s from Lockshop wigs!

[@starrlesscreative]

... what pinintesrt is she looking at? I just looked up lolita and lolita core aestictic and I got mostly fluffy cupcake dresses and pettie coats with a few more scandolous bloomer shots??? nothing like her scroll

[@pasitheathanatosasmr488]

WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT - TIM HORTON’S IS COMING TO TEXAS?!?!?!?!?

[@KatBlaque]

OKay but those Tripp dresses are cute D:

[@blackxprice]

if anyone is curious, lor censored (scroll down) ddlg