London Has Just Renamed EVERY Overground Line

is geography, history or... politics? A More important way to name a line?
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[@Potatoboii2]

I dunno man, I just don't want a scenario where I can say "I'm taking the suffragette to my hotel"

[@ivanhardy-birt1124]

that will probably happen at some point

[@darthherobrine7742]

"I'll be riding the lioness as the suffragettes broken down"

[@RunawayTrain2502]

You are completely right. I'd rather ride a Goblin

[@mittfh]

Never mind that particular line had a name before being absorbed into the Overground: the Goblin Line (Gospel Oak to Barking LINe).

[@tutacat]

"You can ride the suffragette to your hotel

[@alloallie]

Dude, the Goblin (Gospel Oak-Barking LINe) was right there!

[@huncho1057]

It will always be the Goblin at heart

[@ahuman9143]

I really hate 'goblin' for some reason so I'm glad its not official

[@Arson_0007]

That's what I was going to say, lol, It will always be called the goblin especially by the regular commuters

[@RunawayTrain2502]

I's been unofficially called that for ages

[@alloallie]

@@Arson_0007 Well, yes, but just like the Bakerloo (short for the Baker Street and Waterloo Line, of course) used to be an unofficial nickname that became the official line name, it would have been great to make an already popular name for the line official.

[@DavidSolimano]

Name the lines after Minercraft mobs, simple as - Creeper line, Skeleton line, Villager line, Dragon line, Phantom line, Salmon line. Saved His Majesty 500k.

[@Arson_0007]

If only minecraft had a goblin...

[@YawningYeti512]

*Big Salmon Line*

[@samsam21amb]

Creeper line sounds like bad tube line and I have a feeling more train incidents and trains blowing up could be more common, can’t tell you why though.

[@stephenspark776]

Very good - and way more accurate than TfL's idiotic names. The Creeper Line is perfect for Clapham Jc-Willesden - it's soooo slow. On the other hand, as it goes past my favourite cemetery (Brompton), Skeleton Line might also be appropriate. Phantom Line is probably suitable for the ditsy little shuttle between Romford & Upminster. Villager Line would fit any route that goes through gentrified areas rebranded by estate agents - the residents would love it. Salmon Line to Barking maybe, though when Barking last saw a live salmon is anyone's guess.

[@PaulThatcher-iu5in]

Yes, and if you're a teenage boy, that sounded really cool and funny, but not to anyone else.

[@Voyagerch75]

Liberty line: Sounds too American to me Lioness line: OK, at least it runs through Wembley Mildmay Line: Most people probably won't know the background story Suffragette line: It's been colloquially known as the Goblin line for decades, so why did they have to change it? Weaver line: Local reference, makes sense Windrush line: Maybe a line running through Brixton would have been better?

[@samirgillespie9135]

It actually passes through Brixton but doesn’t stop there but there’s a lot of Afro Caribbean people spread through out south and east London in general

[@ArthurTK26]

I live on the lioness, problem is that tourists might take it to Wembley, and it’s miles from the stadium

[@Gfynbcyiokbg8710]

​@@ArthurTK26that not going to make anything worse

[@SigmaRho2922]

Suffragette was used to avoid a trademark dispute with green goblin which is a Spider-Man villain.

[@TransportGeekery]

It does run through Brixton but doesn’t actually stop there. British black culture is also more than just Brixton. That’s just a lazy stereotype.

[@theautistictransitfan]

Here’s what they should’ve been named: GOBLIN -> same as before Watford DC -> Harlequin Line Lea Valley -> Anglia Line East London -> Brunel Line North London -> either what they picked or the same Romford to Upminster -> Rompminster Line

[@quintuscrinis8032]

Romford to Upminster could just have been the Rump? Takes the letters of the termini but also makes sense because it is a Rump.

[@LOLE_Editz]

East London should be the mildmay line

[@Alto53]

@@LOLE_Editz No, Brunel is perfect for East London. In the process of almost killing him, he constructed the first ever railway tunnel in the world that goes underneath a body of water, that same tunnel that is still used by the East London line today. The Mayor's selection of names is embarrassing.

[@fetchstixRHD]

Should've kept the North and East London lines as themselves

[@goatgamer001]

Nah, the picked names are better than Anglia line , Brunel or harlequin line

[@jono_cc2258]

This is like a precursor for Jay and another Map Men update!

[@thsxi]

By all means he asked for them to be renamed, and look at what has happened

[@qwertyTRiG]

@@thsxi Jago Hazzard was one of the KZbinrs talking about it, too.

[@LOLE_Editz]

​@qwertyTRiG yeah but he is taking a 'breather' so I don't expect him to post

[@thsxi]

Still calling it the north london line, the goblin, the south london line, Watford dc line, Romford line and Lea valley line

[@RoyCousins]

These are the names the locals gave these lines before the politicians waded in to mess it all up.

[@hotelmario510]

The Romford line is affectionately known as the "push and pull". I prefer that name.

[@Devin7Eleven]

Notice how non of the lines were named after in respect for the native British people. It is all extremist far left social political talk. Sadiq Khan truly hates us and is excited native British people are dying out.

[@nathan_scofield_ynwa]

Wheres GOBLIN LINE AND BRUNEL LINE

[@mildlydispleased3221]

It was never going to be called the "Goblin Line"

[@goatgamer001]

Brunel line is a bad name tbh

[@DavidShepheard]

The North London Line and the East London Line both already had names. So if you "talk to historians" they would tell you those names. The Goblin is the unofficial official nickname of the Gospel Oak-to-Barking Line. The line to Watford used to be called the Harlequin Line.

[@RoyCousins]

It's not even 1st April...

[@wispy5450]

I saw liberty line and went, "oh like the shopping centre that overlooks the station (at romford). weird, but ok". then learnt it allegedly wasn't that and am still not entirely convinced it isn't. it'll be how i'll remember it for now lol

[@cyberzh0rafm]

no because that was exactly what i was thinking

[@Ash-hk6lh]

i'm assuming it was actually chosen by the historians they consulted as a reference to the royal liberty of havering (which the shopping centre and such were later named after) and tfl just didn't realise why they suggested liberty, so made up some secondary reasoning.

[@sunjamm222]

Why rename the Goblin Line Suffragette Line it was the Goblin line since the LNER and LMS built the line in the 1920s-1930s. What historians did they talk to, well not train related ones.

[@scottv1600]

It was never the Goblin Line. Some local people might colloquially refer to it by that name - but not everyone that uses the Tube network will be - I'm from Kent, although live up in Yorkshire, and used to visit London regularly, and have only ever heard of the Overground being named as "Overground" and always being confused as to why they aren't named anything and coloured differently. Let alone a foreigner - imagine a German or French person coming in and seeing that mess! When I first heard it caleld goblin (today) I assumed it was because you were insulting the people living there as small goblins - quite insulting really

[@stephenspark776]

@@scottv1600 Gospel Oak and Barking LINe - the clue to the name is in the capitals. (NB you don't need to say Goblin Line - that's like saying "and etc" so is mere repetition.) So far as I know, it's a nickname that local people themselves gave the line 20 or more years ago, perhaps because it was constantly beset by gremlins, it's easier to to say than "Gospel Oak to Barking Line" and it's funny rather than insulting.

[@AymanTravelTransport]

Apparently, they were trying to avoid a trademark dispute with "Green Goblin", a Spiderman Villain

[@stephenspark776]

@@AymanTravelTransport So bizarre that it has the ring of truth!

[@Arcanine1995]

Yep those names are cringe as hell

[@Nooticus]

Nah they aren’t. Lionesses is a bit but the rest are great tbh

[@danielkrcmar5395]

​@@Nooticus Objectively wrong.

[@GwainSagaFanChannel]

​@@danielkrcmar5395 objectively right

[@tsimeone]

I don't like the lionesses one tbh.. It's just a mouthful and tacky

[@babomb2146]

@@Nooticuswhats great about naming something after a group who described themselves as terrorists?

[@highpath4776]

this is April 1st come early ?

[@stephenspark776]

Exactly what I thought.

[@martychisnall]

Awful names

[@A.IGaming11]

What would you call them?

[@danielkrcmar5395]

​@@A.IGaming11 Something not political.

[@qtheplatypus]

@@danielkrcmar5395women being allowed to vote is political?

[@danielkrcmar5395]

@@qtheplatypus Firstly, the Suffragette movement committed acts of terrorism. Secondly, yes a movement which pushed the expansion of the franchise is expressly political.

[@caitlinwarren461]

​@@danielkrcmar5395fuck your misogynistic opinion. Terrorism?? Suffragettes were force fed in prison via tubes down their noses, and they faced other forms of torture and police brutality, such as a woman who was stabbed between the eyes by a police officer with her banner. Even during peaceful protests they would get arrested and beaten to a pulp. How dare you find the basic right to vote as political. Is your right to being paid for your job political? Or your right to food? You clearly don't understand what suffragettes went through and why their movement was so important. If you don't give a shit about women and their rights, just say. In fact in Saudi Arabia women only got the right to drive a few years ago, so the world overall is still lagging behind with women's rights Vs men. Freedom shouldn't be political, but you as a woman-hating man seem to disagree! I bet you think women shouldn't be allowed to leave the house so they can do your laundry and cook your dinner since you can't do basic housework yourself.

[@circulation69]

It's always been the Goblin, and always will be!

[@AngelWedge]

Ironic that I get the notification about this video while sitting on the tube trying to work out which overground stations I can get between. Sitting in a pub at Elephant & Castle now, stopping for lunch.

[@RunawayTrain2502]

Isn't Eephant & Castle itself named after a pub?

[@AngelWedge]

@@RunawayTrain2502 I think so. There's certainly a pub of that name. I was going to go in there, but it looked a lot more expensive than the next one along the road.

[@clnre]

I agree with you that the Mildmay should not be named after a hospital that is nowhere near it, I have always known it as the North London Line, why waste money trying to find a new name for it?

[@stephenspark776]

So let's just keep calling it the North London Line. People Power will win (as it did when people opted for Bakerloo rather than the Baker Street and Waterloo Railway).

[@tspoon772]

I thought that the names would suck but wow am I shocked at how badly they do. Firstly the Lioness Line - why would you choose a word that already has the line sound in it? It's an absolute mouthful for no reason. The Liberty Line sounds super tacky. Suffragette Line is also super long and is going to be misspelled constantly. Mildmay, Weaver and Windrush are all ok, but none of this strikes at the heart of the problem. None of these names give you any information about where they go or which areas they serve. The Goblin was a perfectly good name that was a useful tool to help people remember which areas it connected. Instead it's the Suffragette Line. Meaningless name. Would've been far more efficient and logical to just name them by their terminus station (whichever end was further away from the city centre) so that when you look at the line names at the station you have a general idea of which direction it'll take you. For example Mildmay: just call it the Richmond line! Then, at a glance, you know exactly which areas the train will be passing through on its way to Richmond. Obviously they announce this in the trains, I'm talking about the station signage. If that solution is too boring (which I'll admit it might be) name it after something relevant to the areas it serves. At least the Windrush and Weaver lines have SOMETHING to do with the areas they serve. But Suffragette, Lioness, Liberty?? They mean absolutely nothing. It's essentially just buzzwordism. The worst offender has to be Mildmay, named after a hospital - in an area the line doesn't even serve. Also, the fact they named a line after the women's team? I get that the men's team haven't been particularly good in recent history, but at least they've actually won a world cup. It's an absolute slap in the face to them, just name it the football line or, better yet, *don't name it after a team* because, again, it's got nothing to do with the area. The names are a travesty. It's almost like the planners at TfL threw this one over to HR to do because they were busy running the network. I really hope someone comes in and tells them to start from scratch because in every conceivable way, these names suck.

[@jackmartinleith]

This is probably the honest rationale for the Mildmay moniker (source: Wikipedia): "Mildmay Park railway station is a former railway station on the North London line, located between Canonbury and Dalston Kingsland stations. The station was located on Mildmay Park between Newington Green and Balls Pond Road." Fess up, TfL.

[@highpath4776]

@@jackmartinleith waiting for Jago Hazzard to feature that one

[@RoyCousins]

It's like they didn't really bother. These lines already had names they are locally known as. Now they are being branded for political reasons.

[@TransportGeekery]

Jubilee, Metropolitan, District and arguably Northern are all geographically irrelevant too

[@highpath4776]

@@TransportGeekery Indeed , but they were named somewhat contemporaneous with their construction

[@AliciaSykes]

I am SO sad about the name choice of my local line (the GOBLIN)

[@RoyCousins]

Why didn't they just use the names the locals have used for them for years?

[@goatgamer001]

It would have been fine but the new names are cooler

[@Britishadow]

no

[@CyclingSteve]

The Chingford branch of the Weaver line should have been named the Forest line, after Epping forest which is very accessible from the stops toward the northern end, it even resonates with the old London Buses Forest District, they could have brought back the squirrel logo!

[@stephenspark776]

Good suggestion - pity TfL never asked ordinary Londoners and local residents for their views.

[@CyclingSteve]

@@stephenspark776 they didn't for any other lines. I don't see a problem.

[@stephenspark776]

@@CyclingSteve The other lines' names aren't controversial. And they've never named all the lines in an entire network before. That's the difference.

[@therealvbw]

This was an incredibly cringe move on TfL's part. Looking over the inane virtue signalling, it also means that these words will begin to lose their original meaning. No one wants historical injustices to be forced into their everyday vocabulary - it helps none of those affected.

[@winterbliss4459]

it ain’t that serious lil bro 😭😭😭

[@therealvbw]

@@winterbliss4459 It's exactly as serious as I made it out to be.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

Idk, nobody cares when city streets are named after political activists or important events. It doesn't diminish their importance I personally think that names of communication lines should contain landmarks, important city streets or district names. It's simply easier this way

[@gustavbrinkel5489]

@@winterbliss4459 it is

[@gustavbrinkel5489]

@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 er, some people do care about what is recognised in their environment

[@RendererEP]

Havering used to be called the liberty of havering in the doomsday book. Yes due to Havering's historical autonomy. Local shopping centre is also called the liberty

[@highpath4776]

reminds me of WW2 Liberty Ships, or the Liberty Bell

[@RoyCousins]

...or a diabolical liberty

[@blitzstrk0]

@@highpath4776 Yeah or the USS Liberty, cool ship look it up.

[@ryandoesstuffapparently1540]

Between the stream, catching up on videos, the extended cut, and this, it feels like I’ve been hanging out with you all day haha. Parasocially of course.

[@HenrysAdventures]

They've all already got perfectly good names! We've got The Watford DC Line, The Goblin Line, The North London Line, The East London Line, The Lea Valley Lines and the Romford to Upminster Line. The are all operated as London Overground. These names are historic and reflect where they go and would not be confusing to Londoners and tourists alike.

[@holygooff]

I like the idea of giving names to lines, instead of just numbers or letters. I wonder though if these new names will ever be as legendary as those of the old tube lines. They seem a bit random.

[@CyclingSteve]

The Elizabeth line name has caught on well so I don't see why not. As for the names they are localised rather than random, I think they fit the areas they serve including the Mildmay line which runs through Mildmay Park and is where the hospital staff came from initially.

[@martinbond5166]

Working class women were, generally speaking, not suffragettes, they were suffragists. The Women's Social and Political Union was almost entirely middle class. This was because WSPU policy was for sufferage only to be granted to those with sufficient wealth. It was one of the reasons the WSPU disaffiliated from the Labour Party in 1907 when Labour adopted universal adult sufferage as official policy.

[@namethathasntbeentakenyetm3682]

Typical middle class L

[@stephenspark776]

Fair points. As I understand, those seeking change by purely political means called themselves "suffragists"; those seeking change through violent or disruptive means were called "suffragettes" by the press, originally, I think, as a form of sneer or insult. But chapter and verse should come from someone with better knowledge of the subject.

[@blitzstrk0]

Common middle class W

[@namethathasntbeentakenyetm3682]

@@blitzstrk0 Progress is inevitable, cope

[@blitzstrk0]

@@namethathasntbeentakenyetm3682 Leftoid policy isn't "progress" it's regression.

[@EppelheimTV]

My personal opinion on the new Overground lines: *Lioness Line: Maybe a bit too political, but I'll accept it as it passes through Wembley. However, I wish that this line had a different colour than orange. *Liberty Line: That name is waaaayy too cool to waste it on such a short line. Why not name it the "Emerson line" or "Hornchurch line". *Mildmay Line: Yeah, that line does not pass anyway near Mildmay. Give it a new name please. *Weaver Line: The name is fine. However, I think they should have split off the services to Chingford and gave these a different name. *Windrush Line: The name is fine, but I also think that the line should be split. Why don't we call the services to Clapham Junction the "Windrush Line" and call the Services to Croydon/Crystal Palace and New Cross the "Mildmay Line" and colour that line in the original East London Line Orange. And now to the elephant in the room: HOW DARE THE LADS AT TFL CALL THE GOBLIN LINE NOT THE GOBLIN LINE!?!?!?!? smh And as the Overground is finally fixed: I think its time to re-structure Thameslink as well, as it has become the new "Overground": Lots of rose clutter on the map right now.

[@ann_onn]

The Mildmay Line goes through Mildmay Park.

[@Amble_]

Shout-out to the Neumann TLM 103 microphone. You were using it in a funky position - always check ya polar patterns. ❤

[@SecretFriend]

Yeah actually that mic could not be in a worse orientation

[@somax1259]

These names are so cringe I refuse to use them also the people who are being served by these lines have already come up with far better names which at a glance make sense, goblin line go=gospel oak (western terminus) b=barking (eastern terminus, or at least it was) and the lin just means, line without the e Then north and east London lines, named after the compass direction of the city they serve But for the Watford DC line, while a bit nerdy its just because it goes to Watford and uses Direct current and 3rd rail instead of the overhead wires of the WCML which it runs on as for the line serving Romford and Upminster, personally I haven't seen a consistent use of any name for it but something the Emerson park shuttle or rulin (in the same style of the goblin) Lastly the lines out of Liverpool street, i think "weaver line" on its own is alright but the previous name of the Lea Valley lines makes sense, but i have a suggestion, isn't very good but the Cec lines, an acronym for each of the suburban termini

[@HonestMan112]

Tfl fucked up with this one

[@danielkrcmar5395]

Politicised named from tube stations is not okay.

[@thomasawl]

why do you believe womans rights are political, dan?

[@danielkrcmar5395]

@@thomasawl It was a political movement which committed acts of terrorism. Suffragettes ≠ to women's rights. During the Suffragette movement 40% of men also couldn't vote.

[@ibx2cat]

be sure to change to the "men's mental health line" to catch your train to "we believe the science" station

[@qtheplatypus]

@@danielkrcmar5395so we shouldn’t have any lines named after Royals? There is a long history of the royal family using violence to achieve political power.

[@danielkrcmar5395]

@@thomasawl Firstly, the Suffragette movement committed acts of terrorism. Secondly, at the time of the Suffragette movement 40% of men couldn't vote. Thirdly, nice try to pick just one of the names to try and invalidate a point which is objectively true.

[@CyclingSteve]

Although, the Mildmay line runs through Mildmay Park, Islington, which is where the people who started the hospital came from, it's mentioned on the hospital website in the history section. An easy name to remember if you know the area the line serves.

[@stephenspark776]

But no one in south London has ever heard of it. Mildmay Park station closed NINETY years ago! Ridiculous name, of no relevance to people in Richmond, Kew, Willesden, Acton, Clapham Jc, Kensington or Stratford. You could call it the Olympic Line because it serves Stratford and there's a resonance with Kensington Olympia. I'd even, as a south Londoner, accept Ham & High, as it passes through two Hampstead stations plus Highbury. Or the Hampstead & Hackney, which at least is accurate and mentions two important districts that most Londoners have heard of. But no one south of the river is ever going to place Mildmay on a map of London.

[@seelbyy1436]

can't wait for sadiq khan to leave office

[@totallypixelated]

You'll love it when he's Prime Minister then 🤣

[@urmum3773]

@@totallypixelatedYes, it will wake up more people to the right side

[@jasonhaven7170]

The UK is literally becoming more left-wing every year. @@urmum3773

[@john_something_or_other]

Don't hold your breath.........

[@Arcanine1995]

omg, I'm born and raised in London and even I find the Overground confusing

[@highpath4776]

Used to be the Watford DCs, (Harleguin under Silverlink), North London Line , South London Line, East London Line , Goblin , and The Jazz Service. Not to mention the Middle Circle and the Outer Circle (which are so long gone as not able to be done due to rail closures

[@VelociraptorAnimations]

I love how this is what they're prioritising when it comes to TfL changes and not the fact that you have to be a flipping detective to find the tap-out spots on the DLR half the time when the tap-in stuff is as easy to find as on the tube. I think that's quite an issue, especially if you're in a rush.

[@BenMPMercer]

Even ignoring the wokeness of the names, these names are absurd and unwieldy to say. You’d look like a tit saying “How do I get to the lioness line?”

[@CatnipMasterRace]

The main connection i can think of between the mildmay line and its namesake is that it goes under a street called mildmay park, where there used to be a mildmay station on that line if im not mistaken. I think the ward its in is also called mildmay ward. Thing is, even considering all that, the windrush line passes through the exact same point so all the more reason for that one to be the mildmay line. I think windrush is more suited to that line though.

[@stephenspark776]

Mildmay Park station closed in 1934. The idiocy of naming a line after a place it doesn't even serve and that 95% of Londoners have never heard of is outstanding.

[@w00df0rd]

Gringe and cay

[@mewosh_]

I always thought that there was way more interlining on the overground but it turns out they're mostly separated from each other

[@bungaIowbill]

9:34 some great suggestions for small-talk topics. french birthright citizenship on the island of mayotte or, i don't know, the weather?

[@LoopyCrown3]

The Liberty line is a nod to the Royal Liberty of Havering

[@TheWolfHowling]

While the separate main routes probably didn't need individual names, these specific names seem to be trying to score political points with pandering to Women, LGBTQ+ & People of Colour. Besides, the lines already had historical names, both official & unofficial, predating Overground Branding. The Suffragette was the Goblin, Lioness was refered to as Watford DC, the routes out of Liverpool that are now being called the were the Lea Valley Lines, then there are the North & East London Lines becoming the Mildmay & Windrush respectively. These preexisting names could have been used just as effectively but they would of helped any politician's drooping poling.

[@hashkangaroo]

Aber Kamerad, das Jahr Null ist da! Raus mit dem Alten, rein mit dem Neuen!

[@michellebell5092]

I didn’t originally think there was any point in renaming the branches of the Overground, when I heard about this last year. But, I for one love these names . Just my personal view that’s all. You do make a good point about the Mildmay line,

[@dougselby7592]

Rapidly becoming my favourite map nerd.

[@Ice_Karma]

7:43 "Two lines in a trenchcoat." 🤣

[@Aidan_Au]

Please also do a map video for Oslo, Norway

[@marcor815]

I think the Mc Donalds between France, Germany and Switzerland are even closer then France, Italy and Switzerland. As the locations in and around Basel are less than 10km apart it would even be possible to do the 3 country Mc Donalds by bike in less then an hour

[@Willster451]

I think naming the lines anything too political is a mistake. The lines are for everyone. Though, I'm not surprised.

[@BeingTheHunt]

Which of these represents a political ideology that you are against? Is it votes for women? Healthcare for people with a deadly virus? Maybe just the concept of freedom?

[@AT-jd9jd]

@@BeingTheHunt u rlly think these names were just stumbled upon innocently with no politicisation whatsoever? Everything a politician does is politically crafted down to a T. But you're right that none of the names are really that egregiously political- just fully picked for political reasons. The only problems I have are the Lioness line cos of phonetics, (but ig Lion line would have been 1000x worse lol), and just generally that none of the names are at all indicative of anything about the lines or colloquial/original names of the lines. (It will always be the Goblin line in our hearts 😔)

[@BeingTheHunt]

@@AT-jd9jd Which is exactly my point. EVERYTHING a politician does is politically crafted. So there is literally no name that would NOT have been political. If they left it to an online vote and one of the lines was called liney-mcline-face line by public demand, that would still be a political choice as to whether to honour the people's vote.

[@AT-jd9jd]

@@BeingTheHunt that's a pretty ridiculous argument imo. Any political angle of naming lines non-arbitrary names based on what they are colloquially and/or originally known as would be so minute and uncontroversial as to be non-existent. So ofc people are rightfully disappointed at how barefacedly the mayor seems to have chosen names that serve himself best rather than public transport users. But as I said, it doesn't matter that much at the end of the day nor is it surprising...

[@jasonhaven7170]

The Victoria and Elizabeth line namings were political.

[@AtoZbyLocalBus]

I still think they should have the lines from London Liverpool to Chingford and Liverpool Street to Enfiled Town/Cheshunt, as two different lines, as the 2 main branchs will appear at 2 stations on the Victoria Line carriage map. Making vistors think that they can change at Seven Sisters to go to Chingford, if they see the same line on the 2 stations. Noting from Seven Sisters you can only get to Enfeild Town or Cheshunt, and not Chingford. And the same thing with the line from Stratford to Richardmond/Calpham Junction on looking a Distact Line carriage map, vistors may think they can get off at one of the Distact Line stations on the Richardmond Brench, thinking they can charge onto a Overground train to Calpham Junction.

[@2712animefreak]

10:44 The prices won't be that different actually. Here are the prices of the basic hamburger: Slovenia (Lesce): €1.90 Austria (Villach): €2.00 Italy (Udine): €2.10 The prices are all within about 10% of each other. Drinks are a bit cheaper in Slovenia, but not by much.

[@procrastination_productions]

The Victoria line was originally going to have a name like the Bakerloo. At one point it was called the ViKing line as it went from Victoria to Kings Cross.

[@AndrewG1989]

Was hoping for Geoff Marshall to do a video on London Overground renaming the 6 lines which he's already covered in his youtube channel. And I have seen what Jago Hazzard has done about the renaming of the 6 London Overground lines.

[@VelociraptorAnimations]

Has Geoff not done a video on it yet? I guess it makes sense for him not to do that video though, as many people are upset about this and he doesn't really seem like a complainer.

[@bluenevla7874]

Just wanted to stop by and say love u Toycute!

[@TransportGeekery]

The Mildmay Line passes through the Mildmay Park area

[@JelMain]

The Weaver. Which one, Pete Seeger? To everything (Turn, turn turn), there is a season (Turn, turn, turn) and a time for every arrival under heaven...The prayer room is on Platform Three.

[@namenamename390]

"Lioness line" looks fine until you say it out loud, when it just sounds like you say "line" twice. The line-S-line. Hm.

[@wta1518]

Li-on-ess-line

[@Frankfurtdabezzzt]

Linus line, sponsored by Linus Tech Tips

[@goatgamer001]

Goblin line = Gospel oak to Barking line line

[@davepoole9520]

I don't think people will refer to the Suffragette Line. It's too clunky and doesn't trip off the tongue that easily. People will still call it the Goblin as they likely got used to once it became part of the Overground (people probably didn't use it very much at all before then due to it having a terrible service).

[@itsmaiken]

to be fair, while the mildmay hospital isn't on the mildmay line, the line does pass in between mildmay grove north and mildmay grove south between dalston and canonbury. an even more random reason to name it that, but figured it was worth mentioning!

[@ibx2cat]

Probably the fault of whoever gave the justification (but the mayor is sharing it!) Since its more named after things named after the hospital at that point

[@thndr_5468]

I really hope they make them normal babes again these names are just goofy and don't work in normal conversation

[@ibx2cat]

suffy G line

[@theautistictransitfan]

Oh my god they had so many great choices recommended to them (especially those from Jago Hazzard) and they went with THESE?!

[@hens0w]

The Northern Line and the Weaver line need splitting in to two, half the trains run non stop through London Fields

[@sozzysucks]

its probably because im not used to it but i actually thought you were using a backup mic lol. it does not sound like 2k quid worth

[@SkysTrains]

wow, i havent seen you since around the release of minecraft on the wii U, good to see you again.

[@nebula534]

Video idea: try to name all london stations

[@Aliquis.frigus]

Hoxton mentioned! (I used to live there)

[@Alexus00712]

For McDonald's, there's like, seven or so McDonald's just in the inner city of Stockholm Sweden, they're practically walking distance away from each other (IJustWantToBeCool, a Swedish KZbin comedy channel made a video where one of the guys had a cheeseburger from every McDonald's in Stockholm in one day)

[@MartinBrenner]

Congrats for beating the usual Underground pundits to this!

[@KnightThomash]

8:15 "There's four different routes on this one tube line, which is very unique for a tube line" meanwhile the OGs, the metropolitan and district lines have 4 and 5 respectively.

[@ibx2cat]

it's true! I'd make a decent argument for moving the sub surface lines into the "overground" on a logistics and a train size level though, honestly.

[@VanpyroGaming0]

What a pointless waste of money.

[@thomasawl]

It literally makes the map easier to understand, shut your trap.

[@ibx2cat]

colours = yes, big win names = a bit a unwieldly

[@Dean0G]

^ this

[@tspoon772]

@@ibx2cat they needed names - but my god these names suck. They need to start from scratch before they spend 6 million signing them.

[@urmum3773]

@@ibx2catYou would feel the same if they were named "England for the English" line, hypocrite lefty

[@stevena3244]

I really can't wait until we look back at this clown period of history and laugh.

[@alliinase9076]

Probably won't be _us_ that gets the opportunity to.

[@nickohira1397]

Ikr 2020s suck

[@charliebramley]

8:34 :D great point 8:46

[@BH6242KCh]

Serious people would use practical names... Point A to Point B Line. This social credit garbage with its vapid buzzwords is tired and cringy.

[@GalacticTransportTFL]

I cant lie the station announcements will be so wack like imagine the station saying *platform 1 for the **12:19** lionness service to watford junction* its just going look so weird and sound so bad

[@BostonUnitedFM]

How long before Lioness Line gets shortened to the Nessy Line?

[@kevincronk7981]

I have almost never noticed the quality of any youtuber's microphone. They care way too much about mic qiality, it does not impact video quality unless it's literally a potato. Not a figurative potato mic, I'm talking literally holding a potato up to their face.

[@radio_marco]

10:53 Yeah, swiss McDonald's are very expensive. Be prepared to buy 19.00 CHF for one Meal (Burgers, fries/chips, something to drink and a sauce)

[@watsgoingon118]

Why yes I'll gladly watch 100+ ads on every video so my favorite maptuber can get himself a golden microphone!

[@charliebramley]

7:54 Brunel line would've been great!

[@charliebramley]

I like lioness line, romford-upminster could've remained orange, ETC.

[@reddwarfer999]

Unfortunatly he was white, male and priviliged. Absolute anathema to the politically correct intentions of these names.

[@NoBullOxGaming]

the suffragette line should of been called the destroyer of the west line

[@kwipiper]

The Mildmay line goes through the area Mildmay.

[@radio_marco]

Watching a 15 minutes video about the tube in London, I've never been in London. The biggest City I ever visited was Zurich and the only time I took a metro, was in Lausanne.

[@iankemp1131]

Unconvinced that the new map colours help as they are too similar to existing tube lines. Would have preferred to see the Overground branding retained by having orange outer lines for each and a different coloured core. I suppose you could also achieve this by adding an orange core to the currently proposed colours. It does at least make it clearer that the Overground doesn't run as a complete circle but as two half-circles split at Highbury & Islington and Clapham Junction. The map also looks odd with Thameslink included but no other National Rail lines, giving a false impression that the south of London is largely a trackless desert.

[@stephenspark776]

That's how London mayors have always viewed South London. Using different colours will help, I feel - the OG network was fine when it was just the old North London Line (as I still think of it), but as it has spread like a TfL inspired fungus over Mr Beck's once-clear map, the potential for confusion has grown. One colour choice is particularly bizarre: green for 'Suffragette'. Of all the groups to choose, the Women's Suffrage movement had the strongest branding, still well known today: the colour purple. Maybe it was because it goes through Harringay Green Lanes station. In which case, call it the 'Green Line'. Or make 'Goblin' official (as they did with 'Bakerloo', which was coined by a newspaper and stuck). 'Sadiq's Barking Line' is just as appropriate - both destination and perpetrator are commemorated!

[@goatgamer001]

In English there are 11 colours, so some have to be used twice, like there are have different blues for Piccadilly, victoria and Waterloo & city lines also the orange line is the overground 's colour and was left unused as a line colour so colouring a line a new colour would be too similar to an existing one- I think that the actual solution is fine

[@stephenspark776]

@@goatgamer001 I presume the number of colours are the same whatever the language! But I agree that the graphical solution here is the right one. However, SQ wants his Grand London Railway Empire to annex yet more of South London's railways, imposing his grim bench-seat cattle-truck class 378 trains on southern commuters. How many more colours (and ridiculous names) will we have? The 'tube' map is going to end up looking like a nightmare marriage of psychedelia and MC Escher. The rules of good design are Clarify and Simplify - something that the much-maligned British Rail got right 60 years ago and the LPTB got right 30 years before that. TfL's obsession with gimmicks and increasing complexity are leading to predictably poor results.

[@iankemp1131]

@@goatgamer001 But the proposed slution reuses all those existing colours that are used for tube lines and duplicates them ... which is why I feel an orange outer or core to retain the Overground theme is useful.

[@xbx.trains2192]

shouldve just names of the current lines in the train maps just re-coloured

[@Great_WesternTVFan]

This will be confusing because all other non tube lines are white with coloured sides

[@mildlydispleased3221]

The Romford to Upmister line should be called the Brexit line

[@mildlydispleased3221]

@ListenUp-py1qm Speak to the lovely residents of Havering about their opinions on black people and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[@mildlydispleased3221]

@@ListenUp-py1qm Millions of Jewish people lived in Nazi Germany, mate, look how that went. It is well known that Havering is the most backwards borough and overwhelmingly voted for Brexit.

[@rogerkearns8094]

Liney McLineface Line.

[@dividead100]

I don't live in the UK so I think we can all agree that I have no investment in the names and it sounds pretty woke to me.

[@jasonhaven7170]

Okay, don't come here.

[@TransportGeekery]

Say the line Bart, say the line!

[@richiehoyt8487]

​@@jasonhaven7170 Or, to paraphrase: "If you don't like it here, then p••• off!" Uh, isn't that a line traditionally used by the far~Right?!

[@dannydanny865]

@@jasonhaven7170Don’t worry I am an asian migrant, as long as I throw away my id, I can room up in those five star hotels you got on taxpayer dime. Then live on social security for the rest of my life while stealing from local shops and getting caught then released. Also if you think I’m some white briton making this up, I’m not, just a guy from Myanmar laughing at your horrid state as a nation. Also no, I will not be respecting your borders, you owe my ancestors reparations okay?

[@dividead100]

@@jasonhaven7170 Why would I go there when we have nicer and ever so slightly less woke places in the rest of Europe?

[@mewosh_]

Calling them something else than lines like services or something would make more sense in my opinion

[@jameswarner5809]

Richmond to Stratford is the Banana Line and should therefore have been the yellow one.

[@andyash5675]

I'd heard they were going to rename the Thames - "Sadiq Khan". 😉

[@ormondsworld3947]

Should have called them the DC line, North London Line and Goblin

[@zaphod4245]

The new names a dreadful. Should have been Goblin, Brunel (EL), Regents (NL), Harlequin (Watford), Weaver is good tho, and the Romford-Upminster line is hard to name as a shuttle. But no, Khan couldn't miss a chance to force his divisive identity politics down our throats.

[@BeingTheHunt]

genuine question: Can you explain what you find divisive about any of the names?

[@rocketrakkor9424]

Women being able to vote and the existence of Caribbean immigrants are not divisive identity politics lol

[@zaphod4245]

@@BeingTheHunt The fact that they're motivated by divisive left wing identity politics. Names like Suffragette, Windrush, Mildmay tell you nothing about where the line goes, nor it's history. They're purely political names, designed to piss people off. The discourse about them already should tell you just how divisive they are.

[@wta1518]

Snowflake

[@urmum3773]

@@rocketrakkor9424What

[@lostcarpark]

The Liberty line seems a bit pointless at the moment. It would be great if it could be extended, but I've a feeling it doesn't have have much scope for that. I think rather than having it as a standalone line, it would make more sense to bundle it into a district line. I agree with your point about the other lines. Some of them feel like bundles of track rather than lines.

[@wta1518]

Why would it make sense to bundle it with the district line? It has a completely different electrification system (Liberty is 25kV AC, District is 750V/630V DC), so it would still need to have different rolling stock from the District line, and it also runs in the wrong direction for it to run as anything other than a shuttle, so it would operate basically the same way except now the District Line has a weird branch on it. It could maybe make sense as a part the Elizabeth Line, but that would require it to either still run as a shuttle (so it would change nothing), or it would remove journeys to Shenfield.

[@paulbennett772]

I contend that your objections are spurious. I'm a northerner who knows London well; I have no problem with the names. The main problem with the Tube is the lack of coverage in the SE of London, due to geological reasons. It seems to me that this video is merely an excuse to rant against something.

[@ibx2cat]

I think east is poorly connected across the board, lines go through east but rarely connect East bits with each other sadly. Also, I think even the biggest current political name lover would have to say that including suffragette line is a bit wordy for what should be a simple direction

[@RobDEV]

The microphone was fine, but not any significant improvements over the previous videos in my opinion

[@adrianbuchelt]

music producer here, great mic but 4 what u need u prob could get a cheaper one hahaha

[@sianwarwick633]

Just leave my favourite one ORANGE 🍊, damn you London