Londoniyyah - Part 5 - Social liberalism | Mohammed Hijab

[@RidwanAlQudbi]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 01:15 🤔 Social liberalism is often defined by the "harm principle," which means individuals can do what they want as long as they don't harm others. This principle is commonly used to justify various personal choices, such as LGBTQ+ rights. 02:59 🌍 The landscape of social liberalism has changed significantly in the last 60 years, particularly after the civil rights movement and the rise of feminism. The DSM register, used to assess mental health, has evolved to be more accepting of homosexuality. 05:32 💔 Incestuous relationships have not received the same level of acceptance as homosexual relationships, despite both being consensual activities between adults. This inconsistency raises questions about the application of the harm principle. 08:07 🤷‍♂️ Comparing homosexuality to incestuous relationships can be thought-provoking and challenging, as it questions the consistency of how the harm principle is applied to different situations. 10:28 🧐 Utilitarianism, which underlies the harm principle, suggests that actions should maximize pleasure and minimize pain. This ethical framework faces criticism and challenges, such as whether it can provide a universal basis for morality. 13:51 🤨 Utilitarianism, as presented by James Mill and Jeremy Bentham, raises concerns about predicated morality solely on maximizing personal pleasure and minimizing personal pain, without clear evidence or universal applicability. 19:34 🤔 The utilitarian principle of maximizing pleasure and minimizing pain may not be universally accepted, and the argument for its validity may not be convincing to everyone. Some argue that just because something is a certain way doesn't mean it ought to be the way. 22:38 🤔 The concept of altruism and whether it exists is a fundamental question, and it's not easy to assert definitively. 23:20 💭 Altruism is conceivable, where individuals may act for something greater than themselves, such as their country, religion, or family. 24:02 👥 Utilitarian arguments can be made against certain practices, like homosexuality, based on potential harm to society. 25:56 🌍 Individualism often prevails in liberal responses, emphasizing individual autonomy in decision-making. 27:21 🔍 Understanding the difference between validity and soundness is crucial in evaluating arguments. 30:34 ❓ The first premise in a utilitarian argument, "Utilitarianism is true if happiness is the one and only thing desirable for its own sake," lacks a moral element and is unjustified. 36:05 🔄 The second premise, "The only proof of desirability is desire," relies on circular reasoning and doesn't provide a valid argument for utilitarianism. 39:50 🤔 The syllogism attempts to move from "is" (desire) to "ought" (desirability), creating a cyclical or tautological argument.

[@obkf-too]

This is the kind of knowledge and thinking we need to learn at some point in life, and you brothers are teaching us that, baraka allaho fikom

[@123T-n1l]

please stand for aafia siddiqui and do anything to bring her back in Pakistan. She is our muslim sister and we can't see her being tortured brutally

[@scaryjoker]

One of the best series. Seriously. Spread this to your families.

[@moneymac1114]

Allahumma barik. These analytically deep deconstructions of western societal constructs and norms are so enlightening and addictive to watch

[@user-yo6nq3ks7d]

Sapience institute is a blessing Amazing content, spreading critical knowledge in these times I wish it's promoted more and marketed to the masses

[@Mym794]

Gazak Allah khir brother. You are doing very important work of da'wah. This ideology is the most dangerous set of ideas currently. I have been saying and believing some of these principles without being aware. I even was irritated when scholars condemn liberalism without explanation the root of this ideology. I now see how the concept of pain and pleasure and making them the parameters of social construction to the extent of making them as important as God is a clear contradiction with tawhid.

[@mindfulart2640]

Humans are indeed susceptible to taking their whims and desires as their god. Thank you brother Hijab for discussing such relevant topics and providing the most-needed answers to flawed logic by highlighting the contradictions, the assumptions, the discrepancies and the proposterous inductive leaps it carries.

[@botsneako]

Can you have things that are desirable but not desire

[@MilitierTalksUncensored]

@@botsneako Yes, someone might acknowledge the importance of honesty but not always desire to be honest in every situation. Another example could be someone acknowledging the importance of physical fitness and a healthy lifestyle but not necessarily desiring to exercise regularly or eat healthily.

[@peacenow6618]

May Allah Accept your works, and make it a means of acceptance and Guidance for the Ummah!

[@oneing4206]

Bro we will give you a Moroccan passport if you keep going on with that Maghreb flair

[@sinner916]

Brother M. Hijab go go go and go deep in these issues جزاك الله خيرا

[@MmmMmm-zh5er]

Beautiful moroccan jalaba

[@FNz0mbie]

Maşallah la quwatta illa billah

[@noorhassan4361]

U can get them online. Type Moroccan jubbahs loads of places will have them

[@safiyyahshahid9040]

Could you also please place the poem with its translation in the video description. JazakaAllah

[@adilchoudhury2215]

Subhanallah. I just wanted to know, what happened to mohamed hijabs live with suboor Ahmed and Hamza tzortziz. I saw some of it live, but when I tried to come back later and watch it, I couldn't find it.

[@criticclips1560]

`You can find the link on MH community youtube page.

[@adilchoudhury2215]

@Umrah....... No, it's Adil Choudhury. Why are you asking?

[@adilchoudhury2215]

@Umrah....... Maybe Choudhury does have Hindu roots. But during the British Raj, the surname "Choudhury" and all variations were given to landowners, whether or not they are Muslim or Hindu. That is why you will probably see a lot of people from the sub-continent of India with the surname Choudhury. Both Muslim and Hindu. Subhallah, I've been Muslim all my life.

[@yaeesh4real]

Allahu Akbar... Love and salaam from CPT South Africa

[@123T-n1l]

please stand for aafia siddiqui and do anything to bring her back in Pakistan. She is our muslim sister and we can't see her being tortured brutally

[@lenak5905]

The Rules of Logic in Philosophy ! Based on the Logic (attributed to Aristotle) ... the Three Laws. (as follows) : 1. Law of identity, (According to the law of identity) (if : a statement is true, then it must be true). 2. Law of non-contradiction, 3. Law of the excluded middle. Therefore, Logic is often defined as the study of valid or correct inferences. Given : this conception, 'Logical reasoning' provides a general account of, the difference between correct and incorrect inferences. And so, an inference is a set of premises together with a conclusion. ...

[@aali8874]

Wa'alaikum assalaam wa rehmatu'LLAHI wa barakatuh

[@danialecon3386]

Very fruitful indeed brother Hijab

[@peacenow6618]

جزاک اللہ خیرا

[@safiyyahshahid9040]

Salam really enjoyed this discussion. I would like to put forward that the premise to why following Desires are the desirable are that they are fulfilling human nature and human needs. Thus humans are satiated when their desires are met, whilst not harming anyone else and also a benefit to society as a whole when they are in a state of happiness and wellbeing having their desires fulfilled as they please as long as they are not harming anyone. I would really appreciate a response from sapience institute regarding this as this is a principle that has been at odds with Islamic principles for me. I didn't pick up that this was fully broken down in the discussion.

[@mindfulart2640]

Salam, i'd say that the initial premise was quite ambiguous. You're doing the Author's work for him. I'd like to humbly and succintly deconstruct and highlight some of the complicated ungrounded assumptions it carries implicitly by asking questions: 1/Does need EQUAL desire? 2/What are those needs? Are they "needs" in the first place? 3/What desires are WORTH fulfilling? 4/Is the "no harm" principle sufficient to have an optimal outcome for all humanity? 5/Is happiness solely the ultimate goal in life? 4/What is the ethical way and criteria to fulfill the needs that are worth-fulfilling? All these beg the question: "What is a life worth living and what is the moral and ethical conduct to have in order to achieve happiness and goodness for the humankind? Philosophical books about ethics & morality help identify these problems as they've all been raised in Aristotle's time. As religion attempts to answer them.

[@botsneako]

But I'd your desires are fulfilled, for exempel if you are hungry and you eat, does this mean that you don't desire food anymore until you become hungry again, although FOOD is still desirable.

[@mcgullible5212]

Some desires are never met. That's the concept of addictions. Is being addicted to opioids fulfilling human nature? Your premise is wrong and unfounded.

[@Ahle.haq0]

Some desires don't directly harm others but they do harm the whole of society in general.

[@jacklin231]

نحن لا نؤمن بليبرالية ولا غيرها ولكن نؤمن بدين رب العالمين ولكن لنا أصدقاء ليبراليين وديمقراطيين وآشتراكيين وملحدين وهل سيؤمن الناس جميعا بالله هذا مستحيل وهل يجب علينا أن لا نكلم من يخالفنا الدين هذا جهل فكيف سنقنعهم بديننا بغير الحجة والنقاش ،إن رسول الله لم يغلق بابه في وجه أحد ولكنه كان يكلمه ويدعوه فإن رضي كانت حسنة وإن أعرض فذاك شأنه "وإن كان كبر عليك إعراضهم فإن ٱستطعت أن تبتغي نفقا في السماء ..."

[@123T-n1l]

please stand for aafia siddiqui and do anything to bring her back in Pakistan. She is our muslim sister and we can't see her being tortured brutally

[@Mym794]

لم أرى في هذه المحاضرة ما يحث أو يمنع اي احد من النقاش مع ما ذكرتي من الناس ولم أفهم ما علاقة تعليقك بكلام المحاضر .... على العكس الاخ في هذه السلسلة يفكك الأساس الفكري والفلسفي للبراليه و النسوية حتى نستطيع أن نجادل و نناقش بعلم المقتنعين بهذا الفكر .

[@ahmedabdulla5390]

So grateful for this

[@IbnThabitVerlag]

Wir waren hier! We've been here! #übersetzt #translated :)

[@SPeeDKiLL45]

Barak Allahu feek bro

[@asmaqasim18]

Where can I find the poetry??

[@homtanks7259]

Jazakallahu khairan

[@lenak5905]

The Basic Reasoning of Logic ! Logical reasoning, is the understanding which happenstance, by inferring a conclusion from a set of premises. For instance : Premises and conclusions are normally seen as propositions. These 'propositions' is a statement(s) which makes a claim (indicating), about the subject matter. Thus, the implication of the 'proposition'(s), act as truth-bearers. As a result the conclusion is either true or false. For Example Logical Reasoning ! A process of reasoning known as the 'logical reasoning' uses the existing, knowledge to draw conclusions or to make predictions. Also to construct explanations. They are Three methods of Reasoning : (as follows) : 1. the Deductive, 2. Inductive, and 3. Abductive approaches. In addition to Logic, which consists of : Five Principles : (as follows) : (a) proximal similarity, (b) heterogeneity of irrelevancies, (c) discriminant validity, (d) empirical interpolation and extrapolation, (e) explanation. Outlined by Cook, (1990). ...

[@bubbleteakun]

So if I understood correctly, he admitted that there is no proof to prove that we should follow utilitarianism. But he then continues to say that we should follow utilitarianism because we all share the same end goal which is to maximize pleasure and minimize pain. But in conclusion, just because we have this desire (assuming that we all do) , that does not mean we *should* follow it. Basically the is-ought problem

[@CherifRahal]

Where can I find the slides ? Thank you

[@898kariaszanaty]

my G !

[@Relax-li1ny]

I feel like defining the term "desirability" as "something the SHOULD be done" was a bit unclear to the viewers as well as the guys present during the video. The guy was asking what he was basing it on and I was wondering the same, was this definition of desirability understood based on premise 1?

[@doc83]

Greatest happiness for the greatest number of people....🤔 According to who?

[@hossammoghrabi1021]

we need a set of 3 books to read in such subjects.

[@mkdon101]

Where are these discussions held would like to attend

[@frankzappa951]

Sapience institute. Like the Professor X Mansion.

[@MohammadQasim]

Excellent

[@kaleemazad5475]

Are there any books recommend based on this topic?

[@lenak5905]

Aristotle's Logic is Based upon the Kinds of Propositions which can be analyzed ! The Four Components of Aristotelian Logic. Consisting of the following 5 Areas : 1. Usually a quantifier, (“every,” “some,” or the universal negative quantifier “no”), 2. Subject, 3. Copula, 4 Negation, (perhaps or “not”) 5, a Predicate. Aristotle defined Logic ! A time when it was universally accepted by Western philosophers until, the nineteenth century. Aristotle, Logic was seen as the instrument (the "organon"), by means of which we come to know anything. His proposition of the formal rules applied for correct reasoning and, the basic principles of categorical logic. For instance : the 3 Principles of Aristotle ! Aristotle determined that persuasion comprises of a combination of three appeals. 1. Logos, (Anyone seeking to persuade an audience should craft his/her message with facts). 2. Pathos, (Tapping an argument's emotional aspect ), 3. Ethos. (Presenting his/her apparent moral standing). The form of a Principle, which tells us that a statement such as : For instance Two reference : (as follows below). Previous example of (Syllogism): All men are mortal; Socrates is a man; therefore, Socrates is mortal. Second instance : "If P then P." is necessarily true. For example : "if it is raining, then it is raining" must be true. On the other hand the 4 Principles of Logic ! According to D.Q. McInerny, (Book Being Logical) : Written on the Four Principles of Logic. (as follows) : 1.Principle of Individuality, 2, Precept of the excluded middle, 3. Principle of sufficient understanding, 4. Principle of contradiction. Therefore : the Logic in Philosophy ! is of a principle of the second kind, that logician study. Which tells us that Logic in any statement is of the form. ...

[@mustafiz4541]

Brother Hijab need to make courses on this topic in more in-depth manner. British disbelieves deprived him of his teacher certificate but they can’t stop him from teaching their evil ideology

[@doc83]

happiness is a psychological state and in and of itself is morally neutral??

[@arkaazizul6673]

31:45 is this Armin Navabi taking lectures from Mohammed Hijab?? 😅

[@lenak5905]

Aristotle Meaning of Logic ! Aristotle, turned everyday reasoning into a formalized system . A system which could show what sorts of inferences are correct. For instance : He primarily examined deduction which, includes only, necessary inferences. Whereas the conclusion is definitely true unless, the argument has a false premise. The Topic can be further explained by the Universal Rules of Logic ! Laws of thought, is traditionally, (known as) the Three fundamentals. Laws of Logic ... (as follows) : 1. the Law of Contradiction, 2. the Law of Excluded Middle (or Third), 3. the Principle of Identity. As a Result a Linguistic Discourse The basic Rule of Logic !is seen as a branch of philosophy. Based on a given, fundamental principles. These fundamental principles assist in formulating, true statements. For instance with in a Linguistic Discourse. The Four Aspects ! (as follows ) : 1. the 'Law of Identity', 2. the 'Law of Excluded Middle', 3. the 'Law of Non-Contradiction', 4. the 'Law of Sufficient Reason'. ...

[@sumayajabbar]

Such a good explanation! Hijab can you explain the problems of gay parenting children and the problems with teaching LGBTQ at school for children.

[@doc83]

Desire as an axiom leads to egoism? 🤔

[@Tightentron]

Can Brother Hijab give me some explanation based on the statement below: "You enjoy what is good and forbid what is evil" vs. "Maximizing pleasure by not harming anyone"

[@oggamer2244]

Am no Mohammed hijab but what I just learned from watching this video is that liberal ideology has no foundation to stand upon but Islam does. That's the difference.

[@thecasualmuslim]

I believe the ayah is "enjoin" rather than "enjoy" it is talking about what you should do when giving advice or how you should live life in general, you are allowed to do THE GOOD (objectively set by Allah, not based on your Hawaa' i.e. desires) and forbid THE evil (again this set OBJECTIVELY). The Quran categorically prohibits the harm principal in numerous areas: 45:23 "Have you seen he who has taken as his god his [own] desire, and Allah has sent him astray due to knowledge and has set a seal upon his hearing and his heart and put over his vision a veil? So who will guide him after Allah ? Then will you not be reminded?" and also 28:50 "And who is more astray than one who follows his desire without guidance from Allah? Indeed, Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people." are just two examples of many many more. Hope this helps.

[@redragon8932]

I don't think anyone actually believes that that proof of why pleasure is desired is the best utilitarians have to offer? Surely they must have some better proof?? Theres no way they are so staunch with such a lack of proof?! Does anyone know of a better proof, or is it actually the dissapointing truth that people can actually believe unsubstantiated stuff. I haven't been able to find any better proof so far.?

[@mountain102]

I don’t get the end. Can someone explain to me in easy terms the whole syllogism and why it is false? Why is desirability false as an axiom? barakAllahufeekum

[@reecek1369]

My desire is to eat chocolate éclairs for breakfast lunch supper But we don't do it do we, Desires have negative consequences

[@botsneako]

Is the same thing as the boy said with the mother argument. If you don't eat chocolate now that means you want to enjoy the pleasure of not eating the chocolate, för exempel not having diabetes, or having clean teeth, Bad English sorry

[@freeman7983]

masha ALLAH

[@sanwar2410]

For me, this one is a bit harder to follow compare to the previous one. I think maybe it is because the way the lecture in structured, the fact that it is a bit jumping here and there during a topic. Is it just me or anyone else feels the same?

[@sanwar2410]

Alright I get it on the second view. I am fortunate that this is on streaming platform that could be replay over an dover again. Alhamdulillah.

[@Someone-ct2ck]

You could summerize these videos and make them short, well-edited, popular videos.

[@stayaz8789]

Can someone explain Brother Hijab's main criticism in easy words? It kind of went over my head 😅😅

[@hammadahmad6312]

Can you guys share the poem name so I could get the text?

[@Ali-jk3cu]

Btw where’s the link to the PowerPoint presentation that Mohamed is presenting ?

[@Ali-jk3cu]

@@Moath1277 no one cares about that guy u are sending👍🏽 nothing wrong with these series

[@Abdul-xq3cf]

👍👍👍❤️

[@hamzaibnmohamedibnmohamedh1939]

Question : hypothetically, Bro can you do this presentation in front of the prophet (pbuh) ? if I gave those examples i'll become red out of shyness, woudn't you, if you were in front of your parents, for example?

[@billymartin639]

These are very important points in islam. We.need to.have discussions about these topics!!

[@karimb972]

BarakAllahou fikoum to Brother Hijab and the Sapience Institute team. I agree with the comparison with incest but incest is not considered acceptable simply because there are not thousands of people practising it wanting to "come out of the closet". Furthermore, the defenders of homosexuality want proof that it is harmful to society and the individual if we use incest, we are missing our target I believe. We believe that both practices are harmful to the individual both physically and mentally as well as for society at large. Anything that Allah swt has made haram is harmful. I think that this should be emphasized more and use the incest comparison to prove the incoherence of their position but not as a primary argument against homosexuality. What matters is the nocivity of homosexuality.

[@bubbleteakun]

Selam Alaykum, These are some questions I have if someone wants to answer them, or if you want a video idea: 1. How does Islam measure value (in humans, animals, etc.) ? - How does Islam deal with the Trolley Problem? (if there are 5 men on one side and 1 man on the other side and the trolley will hit the 5 men unless you pull the lever and other similar situations, etc.) 2. How do we determine what we **should** do/follow? - Why **should** we follow Islam rather than Utilitarianism? Thank you :)

[@khaledosama1836]

Walaykum Al-Salam 1. In Islam the values of things are derived from Allah, its through Allah we know what is valuable and what is less valuable. And for the trolley problem I advice you to watch hijab's video on consequentialism in this series, he mentions the maslaha in the sharia and he mentioned very similar cases and how to deal with it. 2. We determine what we should do/follow through Islam (As Muslims we prespouse that Islam is the absolute truth) So what ever goes along with Islam its ok to do it, and whatever goes against Islam we don't do it. And the reason we should follow Islam rather than utilitarianism is that Islam is evidenced and proved to be the truth while utilitarianism has no proofs whatsoever. Hope you're satisfied with my answers.

[@khaledosama1836]

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[@AbuYusha01]

Trevor Mcdonald vibes in the last 10 seconds

[@TheGloriousQuran6236]

First

[@R14iify]

Whatever man not like I wanted to be first or anything 😤

[@yasinahamad]

no, Allah is

[@123T-n1l]

please stand for aafia siddiqui and do anything to bring her back in Pakistan. She is our muslim sister and we can't see her being tortured brutally

[@haqnawazlone02]

44:40 deal with the assumption of quection

[@Brata19]

I disagree that the cause of social-liberalism is utilitarianism... I can say it's actually comes from libertarianism... Again it's just going to be which system is better; AC / DC ? ... we just gonna debate on the process not the source... shouldn't we at least find the generator first? To where the electricity comes from?

[@oggamer2244]

It's actually really simple, if anyone makes any claims based on their own logic then we can deny them but if they say it's from God then we look at their evidence and if it is from God then we accept.

[@karimb972]

Utilitarianism predates libertarianism. Also, utilitarianism is a dominant philosophy in the Western world but it is not the only philosophy that influenced social-liberalism. Contemporary social-liberalism is a aggregation of different western current of thoughts.

[@Brata19]

@@karimb972 Again this is just going around the the egg to find the entrance, actually it's just an egg easily to break open. OG Gamer got it more or less right; it's humanity, that's the generator of western thoughts post-enlightment era signified by the french revolution. So now the challenge is to reveal the "god" behind humanity... that is another thing that these people are hiding from.

[@mohammedrehman8103]

Mohammed hijab. Topman

[@DestinyAwaits19]

Stop picking on liberalism. Just because you hate carnal desire doesn't mean everybody has to be like you. We in the West enjoy self indulgence. Don't take away our right to live.

[@Ahle.haq0]

Did we put a sword at your neck and then you are saying "don't take away our right to live" we are against liberalism as it is bad for society as a whole and will do absolutely everything to stop it. You are nothing but a worshipper of your desires. God is the only one to be worshipped alone and only one to be followed

[@jamworthy14]

if there is choice mother has to make concerning if she makes it, her baby will and she will die. the mother will choose baby to live, so the argument that she did that because of ego of some sort. thats false cause she is dead .

[@myinstgiscarbenuim1693]

the choices where a mother is seen choosing to sacrifice herself for the sake of the baby is more or less her instinctive nature which is found in also other animals, so this isn't exactly a free willed cognitive choice rather than a reaction

[@haqnawazlone02]

39:14 Its happening therefore it should happen 😂 43:43

[@tahaali2732]

Philosophiyyah 😅

[@davidking1426]

Women do have those fantasies 😂 That's for another topic.

[@ahmadzariefzaferi422]

The guy at 20:07 needs to chill tf out lmao. He thinks speaking fast makes him sound smart

[@millatiibrahim2416]

Don't speak bad of him akhi

[@juxtapositionMS]

Look who is is talking. A man who changes part of the deen when girls flirt him. A master manipulator.

[@nadirkhan7353]

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[@XplorerSyed]

What do u mean assumption of the question when people ask about the moral implications of Islam? Can u please elaborate and explain

[@aali8874]

Wa'alaikum assalaam wa rehmatu'LLAHI wa barakatuh