Long Live The King: Why In The Age of ICE, The V12 Engine is Still Unbeatable

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Today, I take out a Mercedes Benz CL600 and talk about the power of the V12 - both literally, and figuratively. What makes it special, and does it still rule in the age of electric?
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[@JayEmmOnCars]

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[@zacstarkey1369]

Clarkson would be proud of this video 7:50

[@hayderhassan382]

Brilliant send off to the beloved V12. We are going backwards instead of forwards imho. Just like the concorde was a technical marvel. I agree with you James that the engine is what gives the car the character. Just wish Toyota hurry up and build that hydrogen powered engine, which will still keep the car's distinctive character while helping with the environment.

[@swarandosanjh]

A V12 will always be an automotive badge of honor 😲

[@williamegler8771]

A V16 is more impressive!

[@JelloTypeR]

@@williamegler8771how many cars currently available on Autotrader have a V16? I’ll give you a clue, it’s less than 1.

[@salvi1398]

@@williamegler8771nah, even just saying the name V12 sounds more impressive

[@mrdainase]

@@williamegler8771 Nope, it's an engineering dog's dinner that proves just piling on more doesn't mean better.

[@williamegler8771]

@@mrdainase Same can be said for a V12!

[@ozeskiman]

Everybody should experience a V12 once in their lives. I love the noise, throttle response and sheer pulling power of my 575M's fabulous engine. It's a privilege to own one.

[@tmnt3998]

Does W12 count?

[@marcelhannover3]

@@tmnt3998 Yes

[@harapaki3412]

u wish

[@h2oaddict28]

Most people won't even experience an I6/V6.

[@Veryperceptivecat]

I had one of those - by far the best car I've ever interacted with. What I remember most vividly was the sheer size of it - it looked like a regular car when parked alone, but seemed gargantuan when compared to 'regular' traffic. It's not often you see eye-to-eye with minivan drivers in a two-door coupe. The engine had an unbeatable rythm and sound to it too... will definitely get one again. And always the CL, the cabin is much more comfortable than an equivalent S600.

[@semperspj]

I have always considered the engine to be the heart of a car, the V12 XJS and the 4.0 might be the same car but they dont have the same character, and thats what is missing from the current crop of EV's, they are the soylent green of cars, it makes no difference what the make is, the experience is pretty much identical.

[@Марк.Фетнов]

Soylent green of cars, thats brilliant!

[@sagalout]

In some cases yes, but the vast majority of modern ICE cars also have no character, because it’s been engineered out. I love my V8 Mustang, but I’d rather drive my EV than a 2ltr diesel Audi 😂

[@user-tn1vc1xz5d]

The only V12 I've driven is a Murcielago LP640. The sound reached inside and touched my soul 🥰🤣

[@tinorosmg9374]

We have to thank Jay for being a real petrol head. Now u get channels like seen through glass who like cars because of the wrong reason and tell people v12s are trash. Bring back real car journalism.

[@johnnyboy1586]

Yes I do like listening to Sam & Tony,but if you want real in depth knowledge on a car Jayem ,harry's garage and jay leno are my go to guys 😊

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Sam is a petrolhead just a different kind, that's all

[@L0RDLUK]

Sam has driven many cars with many different engines, he's also driven a variety of electric cars yet he's put his money into a Porsche 911 and before he could afford that, he was basically in love with the Jaguar F-type and of course, the Ferrari 360. He may not love the V12, but make no mistake, he is a petrolhead at heart.

[@petermuurman7624]

Got a ' 94 x300 Jag XJ12 in immaculate spec and condition. And the V12 makes that car truely special. And even though the 6's are great too, it is just hard to explain how much the engine adds to the style and experience of the car.. Like Jay says, a v12 never ruins a car. But it can make it.

[@JoJoJoker]

A true rarity!

[@redlehmann]

I own one of the last jaguar engined v12 6.0 litre cars,a Daimler Double Six. A truly special experience to drive,and more so if you disrespect it and take it to 6000

[@ahemgee9542]

Actually Brabus, who are a recognised manufacturer, have made a V12 E class since for the W124 - super rare, 210, and 211 chassis.. The M120 V12 in the 129/140 was the one that went into the Zonda. The twin turbo M275 in that CL600 was the base for the Huayra engine.

[@matthewcummings9024]

Yes. I've heard the Huayra startup and it sounds very close to the CL65.

[@dietznutz1]

Yeah the pagani v12 is called the m158, the brabus ev12 would do 230mph

[@ClarkeMunford]

One of the wildest and most special sleepers before Brabus started building Mansory-style batmobiles with the 850 badge. The W211 E V12 is still an ultimate dream car for me.

[@apostolis2939]

One of my favourite v12 stories is when the boss of mercedes benz was asked if they were preparing an answer to bmw's new 300 hp v12 in the 7 series he said yes we are also working at a v12 s class with an output of 300 though not horsepower but kilowatts (300kw is 408 hp which is exactly what an early m120 v12 produced). Back in the day that was an insane power jump and power output in general.

[@clc2328]

and then they had to back it down because it polluted too much....

[@apostolis2939]

@@clc2328 some overfueling may have taken place...

[@garykokensparger]

A must see for any student of engine/automotive history; educational and informative without being a lecture. Very well done!

[@alfonso87ful]

I have an old phyton ( phaeton) w12 and enjoy it more and more. So much better than todays downsized engines.. its not considered a great car but still is a joy to drive

[@2amSpeedMerchant]

You mean Phaeton, from VW.

[@robertharris7027]

And then people complain that the garage do not understand them...

[@alfonso87ful]

@@2amSpeedMerchant yes. Was writing on move .. spelling was incorrect

[@2amSpeedMerchant]

@@alfonso87ful a fine car indeed, and well done to you for keeping it on the road. 💯

[@bigal3055]

That's your best video yet. Genuinely. Ever since the 5 year old me first watched that opening credits scene of Cannonball Run, I've had a lifelong love affair with the big 12 pot. I could not have put into words any better what makes a V12 just so special.

[@jimnycricket2322]

As a 2003 S600 owner, I approve this video. I LOVE the twin turbo v12.

[@steadfastandyx4947]

The only V12 I've been lucky enough to travel in was a Daimler double six. Incredible. Flying carpet.

[@MrSmegfish]

Dirt collector...

[@wardog0086]

Can't say how happy I am at the shoutout that airborne V12s got. The Merlin is by far my favourite sounding ICE of all time. That sound represents so much more than just about any ICE ever has, or will.

[@PistonAvatarGuy]

Nothing but Griffon sounds in the video, though.

[@Matthew-ll9ke]

We, as a species who like cars, have a duty to develop whatever is needed in order to protect this beautiful engine.

[@thegirthquake8574]

Respectfully, it wasn't that Enzo didn't want a Ferrari with less than 12 cylinders, it was that he needed somewhere to put his son's 2L V6 for it to qualify for racing. So he made the Dino brand (named after is deceased son Alfredino) and the rest is history. Ferrari has had racing engines in all manner of configurations in ferrari-branded cars. Dino was all in honor of his son. Jason Cammisa has a video on this exact subject.

[@adrianswiridoff4627]

Exactly! I was looking for this comment. A very important distinction and often totally misunderstood. And besides, all Dino‘s are reported to be driving dynamic marvels, so why would Enzo not want them to wear the Ferrari badge…

[@richardharrold9736]

I'm surprised you didn't include your old 760Li in the intro montage. Or the Rolls-Royce Phantom you drove. The N73 is a wonderful engine. I know it's not the greatest V12 ever, but it's the one I own in another 760Li, and I'm very fond of it... and it's the most accessible V12 to bargain budget buyers like me. Glad to see it does actually feature later on in the video!

[@jakubtetera7312]

James, you monster. Never once have I regretted going for a 6cyl XJ-S. Until now. Beautiful video. I hope I’ll be able to add a V12 to the stable at some point.

[@Ashfielder]

I’d still take a 6, if only for a manual gearbox. Unless the 12 also had a manual that I’m not aware of.

[@richardharrold9736]

@@Ashfielder and the AJ16 is a better engine by every measure than the V12, especially once it's had some higher lift cams put in it.

[@chrisblay]

I’ve stood around six feet away from a Spitfire Merlin engine running with no exhaust and can tell you the sound and flames coming from it were phenomenal. 👍

[@bizling]

I look forward (with caution obviously) to attaining a CL or S-Class 600 (2000MY-2002MY) for V12-ness.

[@polaris6933]

Love the format, James. It'd be nice to see more of it - for the V10, for example. I have just one correction - that Enzo didn't want a Ferrari badge on a V6 car is a common misconception. I don't remember the exact reasons that particular car had to be Dino badged but it was named after his firstborn son - Alfredo (or Alfredino), who died very young and Enzo was known to visit his grave every day. The engine itself was originally an idea of Alfredo. A Ferrari with less than 12 cylinders not being a "real Ferrari" was a concept pushed by people who needed to inflate their egos - and not by Enzo himself. Not to mention that a lot of people who have experienced the Dino V6 think very highly of it and the cars sell for incredibly high prices today.

[@acecin]

Despite lacking fancy shots and a large team, your storytelling makes you Jayemm one of the best car KZbin channels

[@nelsonclub7722]

Have to agree Ol' chum

[@washurbrik2848]

Ive been lucky enough to drive an F12 at full tilt, on track. That classic Jeremy Clarkson line about it feels like the earth is moving under you and not the other way round is absolutely true. It's like it was angry for having been built

[@jefferysmith3930]

The only first hand experience I’ve had is the Jaguar v12 in the XJS and XJ12 we had when I was a child. I just loved the winding up sound when they start up. I’m 53 now and was 10 - 12 yrs old when we had these cars. I can still hear the noise. You knew instantly, you were riding in something special

[@wassup404]

Great video Jay, slight correction on the McLaren F1s’ engine: Gordon Murray stated that it was the other way around, the E36 in-line 6 M3 engine was a derivative of the McLaren F1 engine. He mentioned it during his podcast with Chris Harris on Collecting Cars.

[@willum223]

7:26 I could listen to that all day!

[@mohamedwassim2858]

One of the best videos on v12 and very well explained, with the right pips on it, it goes insane!!! BIG THANKS

[@deaks25]

22:32 I think when it comes to EVs you can tell the difference between car enthusiasts and people who aren't but think they know what Car Enthusiasts care about, because those people only talk about the power figures, the 0-60 time where the Car Enthusiasts who also like EVs don't, they talk about feel and sensation, because in an ICE car, it's the sensation of an engine screaming/wailing/snarling/roaring combined *with* the numbers that get our blood flowing and tickle the ticklish bits.

[@andrewlucas6214]

Brilliant overview of an automotive high point. I’d like to add a few points. The flat twelves for me are the most exciting. I know noise is all about firing order but, Ferrari flat twelves and in racing, 917 Porsche are the pinnacle of mechanic symphonies. A shout to the v8. What makes 60’s and 70’s American muscle cars so memorable are the engines. Musically, they are the bench mark of car sound. Blasting their way through an old school 3 speed auto or spinning there wheels through 4 speed manual shifts will keep me intoxicated for decades. Long live massive mechanical horsepower.

[@edimbukvarevic90]

Regarding very small displacement V12 engines, Honda RA272 F1 car (1965) used a 1.5 l V12 (230 bhp between 11,500-12,000 rpm and by the end of the season it was reportedly producing 240 bhp). Another one is Ferrari Colombo V12 1.5 l engine, used in the 125s race car and in the 125 F1 car (1948), Ferrari's first F1 car.

[@adammercer6004]

I think Ferrari also built a 1.5 litre V12 for there 1512 F1 car aswell

[@comeberza]

I have to have a v12 at some point in time. Epic compilation, lovely video. Some bar discussions have ended with somebody telling me that a Golf R is faster than some v12 and that's when you realize they never really liked cars, the like fast ostentatious stuff.

[@vuklozo]

I love the video, it truly is a love story for the V12, I just have one gripe. Ferrari didn't name the Dino Dino because he felt no Ferrari should have a "lesser" engine than the V12, rather due to the fact that it was made in honor of his late son Alfredo whose nickname was Alfredino, shortened Dino. That story that it was called Dino because of a V6 and later a V8 engine has no basis in fact. Cammisa did an amazing Revelations video on the Dino which I recommend you watch. It dismantles the theory.

[@deaks25]

0:49 I was willing to argue the case for the V10 (Personally my favourite automotive engine) over V12s but it's hard to argue with the Spitfire. Well played Sir, well played indeed. Also, that CL600 is an absolutely handsome car. I really like the looks, even in Silver, which can be a uninspiring colour.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

Those Mercedes v12 engines sound magical. Thank you for this sound off to the v12. 😊

[@davidbarnes6410]

Fantastic episode. I remember the TWR V12 XJ at Bathurst. It was a beautiful symphony.

[@Nord_Mann]

I’ve still got to own a car with more than 6 cylinders. I’ve heard the V12’s are a little calm in comparison to the V8s and V10s, but would still want to own one while still possible.

[@berttroubleyn3475]

I own an older BMW with a V12 and a manual gearbox, and the soundtrack really is the same as that in an inline six of that period. But boy, do I love it...

[@dimitrisbastas739]

V12 the king of engines. I remember and old 72 espada at my neighborhood when i was teenager. Her engine noise was perfect.

[@Darranpayne]

I would like to applaud you on such a detailed and wonderfully described history of the engineering surrounding these powerplants. So easy to apply a very glib view to "X is good...Y is better". Huge fan, thank you for maintaining a quality channel.

[@L0RDLUK]

Great video, James. I hope to be able to sample a V12 myself before we enter the dark times. I do believe, however, that though it may leave for a while, the V12, just like the V8, will never leave for good. People will realize that an engine is something that gives a car character. When most normies around the world drive electric cars and the Internal combustion engine is cherished only by the enthusiast, restrictions on manufacturing and usage of vehicles using the ICE will vanish into nothingness and the golden era of the automobile will truly come. A bit of an optimist's dream you may say. :D

[@doncorleon9]

We are here. We will always be here. We will keep the ICE going even if it means synthesising our own petrol in our backyards.

[@superrdaan]

Jay, im a bit new to your channel but i watched 1 video and subscribed directly. Also ur 2nd channel with friends you do ur videos so good and on a way that you stand out to other imo! Really loving the variety of cars instead off always the supercars what others do. Keep up the good work! Gr Daan 🎉

[@kiariemk]

Credit to Jay for always digging up facts from history to back up his views, coupled with excellent presentation and well curated video shots for each point talked about.

[@andyhunt457]

Thats the first time ive heard the extended music intro....actually very nice.❤

[@Pietervdv]

It's on my bucket list to once own a V12 engined car. I've ticked the V8 box already, so onwards and upwards! 😊

[@davidarter6271]

As a long term owner of a Series 3 Sovereign V12 I can fully attest to the magnificence of these beautiful engines. Driving it is an absolute pleasure

[@Toni62R]

Great video from a real petrol head - merci!

[@geoffclarke3796]

Agree about the 5.3 litre Jaguar V12. A fantastic engine ruined by the dreadful 3 speed slushbox in the XJ12 & XJS but transformed with a manual conversion.

[@richardharrold9736]

It was OK but not that great. Very lacking in torque due to the extremely short stroke, yet didn't rev that high either.

[@chesswizard31]

Nobody buying a Jaguar new back then wanted a manual in that type of car.

[@richardharrold9736]

@@chesswizard31 that's not actually true, the problem was that Jaguar/BL didn't want to offer one as an auto was seen as more prestigious. An auto suits the torquier six much better. The V12 only makes any sense in 7+ litre form with a manual.

[@chesswizard31]

@@richardharrold9736 You must be right. Come to think of it, I can't name any vintage V12 that would have worked well with an early 3 or 4 speed automatic.

[@richardharrold9736]

@@chesswizard31 if Rolls-Royce had kept the Phantom III V12 in production... then there's the big GMC truck V12...

[@mrdainase]

I sold my V12 XJ-S over 20 years ago and still miss it every single day. Thanks for reminding me of my stupid decision Jay! 😄

[@nigelbond4056]

Wonderful! I’ve only ever owned one V12: a Daimler Double-Six series 1 VDP. Keeping the four carbs on song was a dark art. As incredible as the engine was it was ultimately strangled by the three speed auto. I really need another V12 soon before it’s too late.

[@varsas10]

I found the same in my XJ-S. I would love to try a 6 litre XJ or XJS with the 4spd gearbox.

[@chawenhalo0089]

I've watching on and off for years (Lotus did it). Well done and rhank you for including the industrial history part. Makes it far more interesting for petrolheads.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Thanks - it seemed only appropriate that I discuss the other uses of the engine, as in many ways the car was a sideshow to them

[@neilsheppard6673]

Brilliant video. Thanks James!

[@ryanpatterson9526]

Nothing says "f*ck you peasant" like a big thirsty V12! Love it!

[@monke1174]

this video is a work of art🤔

[@banjo7127]

Love the reference to the Merlin! I’ve said it to V10 fanboys dozens of times - V12 is king of the roads and the skies 👑

[@yebo56]

The start-up of the Mercedes M120, 1.5 seconds of bliss.

[@robvega5638]

This is a perfect video. Congrats to you. The pinnacle of automotive engineering deserved this homage. V12 forever Baby.

[@shortbuslife3440]

My favourite engine is the v4 and I would say that is the rarest of all engines with an amazing soundtrack and hasn't been seen in a car for decades and is almost entirely gone from the motorcycle world.

[@sensationalfailure]

Good decision to let the outro music play longer. It's amazing how well it suits the V12. What a tribute.

[@thatmatty231guy]

I’ve been working on my Merc S600 V12 including a full rebuild on my channel - it’s a lovely motor and still relatively simple to work on 😊 that p51 mustang sounds gorgeous!

[@davidkeenan5989]

Fascinating, thanks Jayemm.

[@iainmackenzie3704]

An absolute gem of a production, James. One of your best ever. Thanks x

[@DRIVECLUBistimelessPS4]

This merc is goals !:) 13:13 !

[@daviddellit8344]

That was amazing. Thank you.

[@KapitanPisoar1]

Focke Wulf 190 was originally powered by the radial engines. Inverted V12 wasn't used until the late D variants, which is correctly show on photo.

[@r7coo]

Possibility the best video you have ever done, utterly sensational. Keep up the epic content mate !😉

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Thanks very much!

[@simonleach6632]

The never has been, and never will be in my opinion anything that comes even close to the sheer majesty and presence of a V12 aero engine, they're amazing in cars, sure, but a merlin/griffon powered fighter roaring over your head at full chat, that's just special

[@robertharris7027]

I will never forget my first ride in a V12 car. Thanks for the reminder.

[@stu4181]

Fantastic video, a tinge of sadness not just that we are losing new IcE cars but will it come to a point that we can’t even enjoy our classics guilt free for fear of warming up the planet. 😮

[@michelinstarschallenger8626]

Great video. Lucky « guardian « of 2 v12, a CL600 as a daily, and a S600 as a family car, I concur on the fact that it’s just special. And I love the fact that you get to discuss with every petrolhead whenever you park.

[@sagalout]

Really good video - great topic for which I knew some of this but learned some stuff too. Not driven a V12 car but was incredibly lucky to have a flight in a V12 Spitfire 😅

[@BiscuitsnTea]

Love the thumbnail and graphics on it .

[@RadekPogoda]

Great job Jay! This material reminds me many best Top Gear one-hero stories / documentaries. Thank you!

[@matthewgodwin3050]

I think it was LJK Setright who said (paraphrasing) "the finest engine is a straight six. So two of them is even better "

[@pauldorset2124]

I half agree James. The XJ12 was a beauty, silky smooth. I have to say, I still prefer the sound of a V8, just makes the old ticker beat just a little quicker! Keep up the good work James, content recently has been brilliant.

[@Acceleronics]

I agree! I blame becoming a car nut in America in the 60s. To me, nothing beats the sound of a Chevy big block in a Can-Am car. No doubt my preferences would be different if I had come of age on the other side of the Atlantic.

[@pauldorset2124]

@@Acceleronics I also have a love of the American V8, I currently own a S550 GT. This is a result of the television programmes I grew up with here in the U.K.

[@ericrawson2909]

Great video. I refuse to believe that ICE engines will die. Long live the V12. And long live the V8. I love my f Pace SVR. Put it in third gear, more torque than most cars have in first, and you can hear the supercharger whining. Love Harry's restomod XJ 5.3C. That's the V12 I want most.

[@franciscocabrerabrito5945]

Always assumed flat and boxer were the same. Thanks J. You are THE MAN.

[@BobBenz55]

Love the V12 start ups 👌….always makes me smile.

[@wandering_not_lost]

I loved the sound (and the sight) of the Countach!

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

I loved my last V12. A 2011 Rolls Royce Ghost. What a car. Way better than the Peugeot 106 diesel I was running.

[@RUfromthe40s]

only have a V12 ,a 600sec from 95 ,in 96 they start to call it CL600 but it´s still a very good ride and powerfull one and still caught the attention of people when driving it

[@davidmwood560]

Having owned a number of V12 cars in various guises over my 60 years of Petrolheadedness, (I just invented a word!), I absolutely concur with you James; and still would except for one thing. After my last V12 (a Toyota), I needed a car quickly. Now, I've never been one to buy in a hurry, but luck was on my side when a pristine Lexus LS400 came my way. I've driven Lexus products ever since, my current car being a 2006 Lexus GS300 SE-L. It's not a V12 - it's a 3 litre V6. It doesn't drink a lot - about half what a V12 would. It won't do 180 mph _ but thanks to my local Lexus dealer, it will do just under 170 mph! And it's smooth...like all Lexus products, it's smooth and silent. (I like silent, it lets me creep up on people and zip past before they realise what just happened. I'm sticking with Lexus now, I just love them. Great video, really good, and if you haven't got a Lexus, or can't find a V12 Toyota. Any other V12 rules!

[@moemonney]

Just have to admit. The starting sequence of this video is badass!

[@raggipdavidhalilovic661]

Than you, for a good tribute video

[@TJG239]

that CL is spectacular

[@indopleaser]

The front end of the Mercedes CL looks really good

[@thahbx]

In the intro I've thought you almost forgot to mention the mighty Spitfire. Great video as always James!

[@larrys009]

Well done Sir !😊

[@MrMarshy123456]

Owned a CL65 10 years ago when the value of them was much lower ( back then some car minded friends questioned my purchase because of the reliability issues that seem to come attached with them ) however it quickly changed there minds with its class refinement and performance it was honestly incomparable with anything else i had ever driven, the shove to the back of the seat never got old torque was ridiculous, i paid £23k for mine it was a 42k mile example, sold it 2 years later with 51k on it for £26k ( and I was chuffed at the time ) it was reliable and needed nothing in my ownership other then undersealing before i picked up the car and a full service before i sold it, highly recommend if your pockets are deep enough, your mechanical skills are good or your just plain brave ( like me )

[@HermanJTS456]

Wow, chapeau!!!! Best episode eVer

[@thomascole9308]

I love the detail you go into with your videos.

[@matthewcummings9024]

I've got a C216 CL65 V12 with a bit of mild tweaking, and I am not exaggerating to say the engine is absolutely glorious. Radio and MP3 and CD player have stopped working, but I'm not complaining at all! 🎶🎶🎶

[@MrTimstaaa]

Great video Jay. 🙏

[@bathurst555]

One of your best yet! Really well researched. I enjoyed it a lot

[@Kulumuli]

I heard that german engineers recently found out that the ideal volume for each cylinder was 1/2 a litre. That makes the ideal V12 a 6 litre. So it's quite close to a lot of V12s.

[@mrdainase]

That's far from being a recent discovery.

[@martinsvensson6884]

Ideal for fuel consumption/emissions vs max power. So depends a bit on priorities. Which today is emissions. That's why you're going to hear it now.

[@baoquoc3710]

@@martinsvensson6884 smallest modern V12 is in the Aston Martin DBS Superleggera and 770, 5.2 twin turbocharged

[@HighMaintenancePS]

Recentky found out, accept that we e been building 2ltr four cylinders for a how long?

[@martinsvensson6884]

@@baoquoc3710 Yes its not the exact optimal for emissions vs power.

[@ukwan]

Driven a few Mercedes cars with V12's and there is something truly special about a V12.. Never owned one, I've had I2, I3, I4, I6, F6, V6 and V8 though and man I'd love a V12! ❤️

[@JesseDishner]

Used to sell VWs, the W12 Phaeton was a beautiful beast.

[@MohamedAli965]

What a fantastic tribute

[@SatanDotExe]

Putting music over the outtro full of V12 noises is criminal 😂