Loot Goblin RUINS and MOCKS DnD Campaign ( r/rpghorrorstories )

[@DnDDoge]

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[@frost68nskate]

OP during the panic attack episode had no obligation to apologize. The other player brought it on themselves.

[@Kurb-A-Derp]

Sorry @DnDDoge I have to disagree with you on the story at about 20:00 OP didn't need to apologize because he was not the aggressor, cleric had every opportunity to stop his bad behavior while op only restrained his character. Sounds like cleric was playing the victim because he realized nobody was on his side during the interaction. I doubt the panic attack was even real and if he was a victim bullying ,why did he go ahead and bully somebody in the d&d game?

[@kuramaai9486]

Honestly I feel the same about this story too

[@Evoker23-lx8mb]

Dm has no right to expect that player to apologise for “causing the panic attack”. Cleric had ample chance to back off, it was his own fault.

[@alarkhar]

Agreed.

[@rlowethewitch8417]

Well plus, what are the odds that a panic attack is part of the game, then *suddenly* the instigator has one irl? He could have been faking it. Someone who has had actual panic attacks would likely be more sympathetic to that kind of thing imo

[@dorianleakey]

The panic attack was caused by the stress of realising no one was on his side, some of their experience of being bullied may actually have been them being attacked for stomping on boundaries,

[@Evoker23-lx8mb]

@@dorianleakey which wouldn’t be bullying at all in reality, just people getting justifiably angry about having their boundaries stepped on and Cleric throwing a tantrum.

[@dorianleakey]

@@Evoker23-lx8mb Well, I kind of agree, but to be a little charitable kids are assholes, my suggestion is the retribution for their poor social skills and behaviour was more than the behaviour deserved and not delivered in a thoughtful way. The response would further alienate them and make them resentful.

[@NotMyRealName6]

Story 3, I'm gonna speak as someone who's been bullied in the past. Part of me really thinks Cleric was just using that to win the confrontation after the entire group took OP's side. He was warned not to cross a line, crossed said line, suffered consequences, and got upset because there were consequences for crossing a line he was told not to cross. I can't fully judge this because we only have one side of the story, but that's how I read the situation based on the available information. I'm giving OP a tentative NTA on this one.

[@nightbane2889]

I wouldn't even call it tentative. Quite simply, he is NTA in regards to apologizing. If the cleric did it on purpose; nta, if not still also nta. Would it have been nice of OP to do so (or at least check on the player) sure, but otherwise why should he apologize for not doing anything wrong?

[@NotMyRealName6]

@@nightbane2889 Part of why I'd want to hear Cleric's side of the story here is to see how he paints OP. OP came off as pretty reasonable, so it all depends on how Cleric tells his side. But based on what OP said, Cleric attempted to play the victim and got nowhere. As it should be.

[@monikasernek1177]

Cleric: Oh no. I have an little panic attack because my figment of imagination got pinned down by OP's figment of imagination. I was bullied in school. Oh poor little me. Also cleric: Huh? OP's character has an panic attack? Tell me why? Come on. Tell me. Tell me. Tell me! I'm going to use magic to force you to tell me!

[@alarkhar]

About the last story... I was indecided between whether the DM was, in fact, trying fairly or not. Then the two dragons did a freakin' FUSION DANCE. Yeah, no - the DM is going for an insta-kill there. I mean, you send in two creatures that can shoot a 9th level spell and then combine them into something that looks like a Pathfinder Kaiju (Pathfinder Kaijus have no stats - they are basically living, breathing natural disasters)... he's definitely going to bring down the hammer.

[@Aurichalcam]

Cleric just seems like a cry bully to me. If he were having a panic attack he would not continue playing pvp in character

[@ArcCaravan]

Sounded like the supposed panic attack happened after the game, not during PvP.

[@Infovorousness]

No apology is due to the person in the third story, it was a situation he precipitated. Frankly I suspect he faked having a panic attack when he realized the group was siding against him

[@reesescup69]

Not the a hole. My guess is that cleric only said the panic attack stuff because no one agreed with cleric.

[@Evoker23-lx8mb]

Yeah, the panic attack was definitely was an excuse

[@pallydan893]

Oddly coincidental for the cleric to have a irl panic attack after barbarian's in game panic attack

[@Evoker23-lx8mb]

@@pallydan893even if the panic attack was completely real, it’s still not OP’s fault.

[@nemerly_00]

Boo to Doge for suggesting Barb should apologize. Barb did nothing wrong and OP's DM should have taken control of the real problem player.

[@darkbunny9650]

The Dm telling him to seems hypocritical because I'm sure the Dm saying his characters God lost faith in him contributed if not tipped him over the edge into feeling bullied after the fight.

[@ArcCaravan]

@@darkbunny9650 Good point. DM potentially ruined cleric's character, which definitely is more damaging than OP fighting back without dealing damage.

[@keybladewizard49]

8:30 - I know they said this was a grown adult but seriously, this is 100% the actions of a toddler

[@martabachynsky8545]

The shattered mirror turning people vile sounds like it was lifted from Hans Christian Anderson's "The Snow Queen".

[@ArawnNox]

I was thinking Innuyasha, myself (only a mirror instead of the demon crystel)

[@Kurb-A-Derp]

I actually thought of the legend of Zelda twilight princess, there are literal mirror shards that can make you evil when you look into them.

[@telavasir8765]

@@ArawnNox Glad it wasn't only me thinking of Inuyasha :D

[@TBTabby]

Just what I was thinking.

[@ArcCaravan]

My first thought was Luigi's side story in Paper Mario and the Thousand-Year Door about a shattered compass. My second thought was Kirby and the Amazing Mirror.

[@vortega472]

The first story - the premise is really cool and is the type of campaign I would love to A) Run B) Play - it has the type story that would really keep me engaged. Hell it would make a great T.V. show. Looks like Nipsy is making some biscuits.

[@kurestor1603]

OP was beyond in the right. If you are not healthy enough to play a pretend game and handle an incredibly normal situation(someone being stronger than you), then you shouldn't be playing the game. And even if they do, your friends and fellow players are not responsible for your mental health. Especially if they aren't doing something wrong.

[@aaron75fy]

it sounds like the common consensus is it's not a panic attack but a full blown tantrum disguised as a panic attack

[@donotcare5676]

For the last story, you really just need to read up on Prismatic Dragons before suggesting that the DM messed up when it came to encounter balance. They are *EPIC*-level Dragons, with CR's going up to CR 66 (!!!). The DM pre-meditated killing the party like 99.999999% guaranteed. The party is all level 5, and a Wyrmling (WEAKEST, newborn Prismatic Dragon) is CR 14. It could party-wipe after freshly hatching from an egg at this level. You can *maybe* give the DM the benefit of the doubt on them being able to succeed by *not* engaging the Dragons, but that seems entirely unlikely, especially given the TPK that followed.

[@rlowethewitch8417]

Regarding the panic attack, I'm gonna call bullshit on the player saying he had one. Panic attacks are rarely ever a one-off, and anyone who's had one can tell you they are simply the worst, and I find it difficult to believe that someone who has had one would willingly visit something like that on someone. For anyone who hasn't actually experienced one for themselves, I can tell you that the first thing you experience is that you feel like you are dying. Your mind goes racing, you get this sense of impending doom like you're really at the end, and you go cold and clammy. Panic attacks have overlapping symptoms of heart attacks and it's not uncommon to wonder if going to the hospital is the safest course of action. People experiencing their first may not even *know* that's what is happening as they have no frame of reference.

[@ShyBiiteVT]

Story 2: I feel like that person really should've been permanently banned from the club for that awful game.

[@gameygeemer4142]

> Shard of a mirror causing a yeti to become active I guess someone was playing Twilight Princess when they came up with that

[@dwaynejackson551]

Not necessarily. There are other media that use this.

[@WTFisTingispingis]

Yeah sure bother the barbarian who just had a panic attack, what could go wrong?

[@masondukeofkale]

The use of degeneracy in the LARP story is such a red flag

[@jordanhunter3375]

John sounds like the type of smuck who would make a PETA-funded Pokemon bootleg game for the simple goal of shoving his self-righteous shit down our throats

[@ArcCaravan]

For who? The problematic person supposedly saying it or OP for keeping that word?

[@masondukeofkale]

@ArcCaravan it reflects very poorly on the guy saying it in the story. Like it's a big fascist red flag imho

[@gimok2k5]

@@masondukeofkale I don't think you know what those two words actually mean, do you? Because you somehow thing that the OP pointing out that the problem-guy in the LARP-story acting out VERY questionable (and using the appropriate term) somehow makes the OP supporting a particular version of an authocratic regime.

[@masondukeofkale]

@gimok2k5 i wasn't referring to OP. The dude in the story keeps saying it. People who call shit degenerate are walking red flags. I stand by my point.

[@Hakusrequiem]

Tldr player attacks another player and is subdued. In initiating PVP they cause themselves to have a panic attack. OP is now somehow the one in the wrong. Getting some real George Zimmerman vibes here

[@reesescup69]

My guess is the panic attack was more because no one agreed with them

[@ArcCaravan]

@@reesescup69 I'm starting to think it was because DM said cleric's god may have abandoned him, effectively ruining the character.

[@zachraynor7008]

Panic attack guy was a pansey, attention seeking right after things that he started didn't go his way. I say no apologies!

[@davenrippe480]

So I use this for background noise and the last story grabbed my attention as the only version of D&D that i know of with the prismatic dragon is 3/3.5 D&D and that's an epic level monster. a wyrmling is CR 14 and is a 5th level caster. Based on spells listed it could have at minimum been a young adult CR 34 or up to even an ancient as they get prismatic wall as a spell like ability CR 57. Even one of any catagory would have TPK'd that group, two was over kill

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

In that last story. I will say that just because the magical alarm was silenced, that doesn't mean it didn't have it's intended effect. After all you set it off. You may have set off something else as well. And as any bank robber will tell you silencing the alarm is something you do BEFORE it goes off.

[@rakitaki5638]

The shattered mirror one is giving me strong Twilight princess vibes

[@miket3827]

The panic attack player is interesting. By definition, they were bullying the op. Then had a panic attack at the fact that they were put in their place because of bullying. How was it bullying? “Don’t like to be touched” and “don’t cast spells at me” come to mind. At least one was repeatedly done. So…

[@SierraAngel1]

On "Panic attack": Yea he could have apologized, but on the other hand, OP (or any other player) is not responsible for any mental health issues someone has, if not brought up beforehand. Cause this is really not a "normal" reaction to an ig event. Plus the ig event itself was quite well handled/roleplayed by OP

[@kyronmckinney]

I might sound like the a-hole here, but OP In the panic attack story is not in wrong for not apologizing to the cleric. You shouldn't be held accountable for someone else's overreaction. Seriously, you'd think that their past would make them more self-aware their actions to prevent something like from happening. Don't get me wrong, apologizing is always a great gesture of good faith, but I don't think it would have mattered here. Just another example of "Don't poke the bear" in TTRPG form.

[@Evoker23-lx8mb]

You’re not wrong. Dm, cleric and Doge are wrong.

[@evilstermegaman]

Whaaaaaat, no Kitty? No likey! Me grumpy! 😤

[@YawdroGaming]

DMs, please remember that you can kick a player from your table if they are rude, disrespectful, or not a good fit. There's a lot of players and a lot of DMs out there. Yeah, it can be a bit awkward at first, but you have to protect your players and your table.

[@ArcCaravan]

While I can understand Doge believing it'd cost OP nothing to apologize, I can't help but think that this'd just lead to Cleric continuously playing the victim card over any disagreement. Curious what the rest of the table thinks since they sided with OP during the game.

[@bunnys9704]

I diragree with your cleric opinion. That cleric did everything to get himself into that situation, started it, escalated it and then refused to back off. He is responsible for creating an inflammatory RP moment. He has no right to cry that he got burned.

[@frederikklotzskov9673]

4:33 It's not an original idea, that is literally the premise of Hans Christian Andersen's snow queen, an evil mirror gets smashed and the pieces land all over the world, if it hits peoples heart they become cruel and cold, if it hits them in the eyes thay only see the bad and ugly things in the world.

[@ArcCaravan]

Shattered magic mirror also appeared in "The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess" and "Kirby and the Amazing Mirror".

[@RedRattt]

Cleric story is sad but absolutely on the Cleric. They chose to actively torment a character who was far physically stronger to theirs right after they had a panic attack. The OP should probably have appologised for doing something he didn't know would trigger the Cleric but he isn't in the wrong, the Cleric said "knock knock" and got mad at OP for saying "who's there?"

[@CooperAATE]

IM GONNA ROLL NEED

[@littlegiantj8761]

See you, space cowboy

[@axelwulf6220]

Yeah Panic Attacks come out of the blue and often there's no rhyme or reason why they hit But because something in an imagination game of make believe and fantasy happens and happens to trigger something something repressed trauma, is absolutely no-one's responsibility to take accountability for

[@drosarius5929]

Cleric did the stupid. Play stupid games. Get stupid prizes. Cleric could have backed down at any time, but didn’t. They put themselves in that position on their own. OP had no reason for apologizing.

[@deviousj5868]

Thought you meant the KZbinr Loot Goblin

[@benkayvfalsifier3817]

We should tell him and see what happens.

[@andrwblood9162]

It's kinda weird to me that answer to a panic attack is an apology. That might just be a quark of the OP's written, but it seems like the panic attack is bullshit to me as it's fairly convenient timing right after in game conflict. But I don't know. There's a lot of different people out there, with different experiences. I wouldn't want to accuse some random person of faking a panic attack for petty reasons. So, I say the OP in that instance has some responsibility in casing the panic attack in the other player as that's not something someone chooses to have. The reality is that an apology is simple to do and if it can help, you should feel complied by guilt to give one.

[@sonic8005]

Ya know, hearing the session overlap with the LARP gave me an idea whete LARPers could basically act as NPCs to a ongoing story or guest characters to a tabletop session which sounds super fun... Shame the story was so psychotic

[@zhornlegacy7936]

Panic Attack Story: OP's NTA for not apologising, and shouldn't feel any obligation to do so. Cleric was the antagonist.

[@MarquisLeary34]

"LARP degeneracy" of all to the causes to dedicate your time and energy to....

[@7thsealord888]

Story #1 - They put up with way too much from this idiot and, not unexpectedly, he just kept escalating. The simple fact that he did not care when finally booted speaks volumes. Once again, the main takeaway is that if someone in the group is being a habitual @$$, it is extremely unlikely that they will suddenly come good. The best that can be done is to be fully upfront with rules enforcement, warnings and CONSEQUENCES. If / when all else fails, boot them hard. Story #2 - John needs help. That he chose to keep hanging around near LARPers despite his loud contempt for the activity is ...... interesting. Story #3 - Edgelord-y vibe of the character aside, it doesn't sound like OP was the AH here. Keep poking the bear and, sooner or later, Very Bad Things come of it. I actually would not be surprised if Cleric put on a show afterwards to garner sympathy. Story #4 - In fairness, the alarm did go off briefly, so that should have been more than enough to alert people. Maybe the Referee was going for a 'Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies" ending, but I think it more likely that he simply miscalculated in a big way. How he chooses to address the next session (IF there is one) should make it all clearer.

[@marybdrake1472]

It was bad enough that the player was an obnoxious loot goblin, but to act like such a douche afterward? That was worse by far.

[@clericofchaos1]

the guy in the first story wasn't all that bad up until he split the party. It's fine to joke around and loot everything that's not nailed down. The latter is practically expected, but once it starts interfering with the plot or annoying other players it's time to dial it back.

[@skylance21]

IIRC a whelpling prismatic dragon is a CR 9 in 3.5

[@g40oz]

Story: "I caused a panic attack..." First off I slightly disagree with the solution approach. I do agree that OP should come half way with an apology, but, the cleric needs to apologies as well and need to have a discussion about socializing. I understand that the cleric may have anxiety issues to work with, but the cleric has to understand that if they are to be confrontational while RP then you should expect a confrontational response right back. "If you are going to dish it you need to be able to take it" What we do not want to have is a player antagonizing without any consequences. It is low key playing favoritism .

[@lkuhhdsfgasdgvdadfg]

Morror: basicly the plot of the snow queen. The original hans Christian Anderson story that frozen is based off of

[@martabachynsky8545]

Yes! I had posted something similar. That's such a great concept. (I wish Disney had used the original story).

[@lkuhhdsfgasdgvdadfg]

@martabachynsky8545 Omg me too. i saw frozen in the theater and was so pissed off. They totally ruined it.

[@martabachynsky8545]

@ As was I. I guess they didn't want another evil queen. 🤷🏻‍♀

[@jordanhunter3375]

​@@martabachynsky8545Or they had COLD FEET about potentially giving one of their main characters a villain arc

[@martabachynsky8545]

@@jordanhunter3375 🥶🦶🦶 😁

[@yaldabaoth2]

Why would that one player apologize? He did nothing wrong, the other player just couldn't keep game and reality separate. That's not the responsibility of someone else.

[@BunBun299]

I don't like LARPs either. Want to know what I'd do if someone i knew was going LARPing? I'd say, "Have fun," and enjoy my video games.

[@AmaryInkawult]

First Cats Don't Dance now Raptors Can't Swim, when will the animal racism end!?

[@watcherofmemelords7967]

Not till all are bear.

[@littlegiantj8761]

ChickensDon'tFly

[@prezaurian4914]

For the last story, context is important. My experience is with DnD 3.0 and 3.5, so when I hear prismatic dragon, I hear CR 14 (wrymling) - 66 (great wyrm) for a single creature. This seems a bit much for lvl 5 characters. But again, I don't know what they're playing or if this is a home brew version of the creature.

[@JimAbooGames]

Story 1: What is this guy like 5 years old or something? Good Riddance as well. Story 2: I get that not everyone loves LARP, but why go to these extremes to hate on it? I agree with Doge if it's not hurting you why do something like this sheesh. Story 3: I don't think OP was the Ahole here I think the Cleric may have just said that cause they didn't like that they didn't get their way. And even then How would OP and the other players know this about the Cleric? To ask them to apologize without knowing this is too much to ask of someone. Sorry Doge I love ya but this is something I have to disagree with you on. Last Story: This one IDK how to feel about it really.

[@khironkinney1667]

Cleric had a panic attack after attacking another player and getting put down. OP didn't do anything wrong. I think the DM went a little far with having his God abandon him. I think the two you should probably have a conversation out of game and in game along with the DM. Op Was harassed by another player he acted in character and did not even harm the cleric he said don't do that. Cleric is overreacting and so did the DM

[@ArcCaravan]

@@khironkinney1667 Now that you mention it, I'm starting to think the panic attack was less about barbarian fighting back and more about DM having cleric's god abandon him. We only have DM's word that OP was the cause of the panic attack and he's the one actually demanding an apology.

[@TBTabby]

What was the guy's problem in the second story? Did a LARPer kill his dog?

[@ArcCaravan]

Probably salty he isn't being catered to.

[@Michaeljack81sk]

In the panic attack story its a case of Everybody Sucks IMO. OP overreacted in game, Cleric overreacted out of game and DM should not have told OP to apologise

[@l0stndamned]

The haphazard use of "degeneracy" in the LARP story sounds a bit dog-whistle-y. I suspect there was more going on that just not liking LARP. On the panic story I feel the cleric's use of mind-screw powers on another PC puts him in the wrong even before the other stuff happened. Sounds like the cleric was faking things for sympathy and is enough of a jerk that they don't deserve an apology even if it's legit.

[@xeedflarian9748]

First story's plot reminded me of Inuyasha n such lol

[@Ontomancer]

I need to see this nonsense build from the first story😂

[@resdraon]

Honeslty, op 1 sounded like kind of a wet blanket and like they were complaining about the players reaction to not taking a Gane of dnd overly serious

[@ArcCaravan]

There's a difference between taking DnD overly serious and being disrespectful.

[@kirrianwindthresh8258]

You never apologize for the results of a situation some one else started. Especially when you attempted to not be in said situation, the panic attack sounded fake as an AI politician. Just an excuse to avoid the consequences of their own actions.

[@kevinsullivan3448]

There used to be an unwritten social contract in games. Everyone works to make the game fun and to run smoothly. A lot of younger (under 40) players did not grow up with this understanding. Sure, it is a learned response, but all you have to do is listen to some horror stories to see how many people never learned to be normal adults. The LARP hater wouldn't have lasted one weekend in the Game Master's Guild in Clarksville. We would have tossed him out the back door after his first diatribe against LARPing. I do not think OP was the AH, Cleric knew what he was doing and intentionally pushed buttons and then suffered the consequences. FAFO and all that. If you have bad memories of being bullied, don't be the bully yourself. I have no opinion on the last story as there are too many unknown variables.

[@ArcCaravan]

@@kevinsullivan3448 Your first paragraph just makes me think about all the tabletop horror stories with problem players that are over 40 and emphasized their age/experience.

[@brucegusler5208]

I’ve never been this early!!!! Woo!!! Hopefully you are doing well 😂

[@serenitymousse5506]

Describing how your killing the players themselves not the characters or npcs ... Sounds like something that should've been taking to the police Then to court even ...

[@Spartan890]

New music :)

[@Gaming4ever-pd7jv]

21:11 Emotional trauma is a them problem; if they are too emotionally fragile to play, don't play.

[@M_Alexander]

Ok that's not a healthy stance to take either. While it's not OP's fault it happened, it's not someone's fault to have an unexpected trauma dug up either

[@whitenekos]

3rd story. Dm and cleric know eachother from high-school hmmmm. Based off his personality cleric was the bully. Cleric and DM are at fault. DM didn't establish no pvp his fault there. Cleric FAFO even though it was warned.

[@Trencher1375]

1: Typical example of how not all who plays rpgs want to be there but have no where else to go. 2: It strikes me as weird they say nothing about what kind of game they were larping. I am thinking 30 old men and 14 year old girls playing vampire. 3: Just bad Gming.

[@_PannieCake_]

If you get a panic attack just from being grappled, leave dnd. You're literally too soft for even the fakest combat, especially since no actual harm came to the character.

[@the5destroyer]

f around and find out. The barbarian was not in the wrong, the cleric was.

[@gaz4553]

This dude is clearly lying. Raptors could swim

[@randomidakatta4333]

The whole mirror thing seems to be inspired by twilight princess Shards of a mirror that turns people evil

[@zrswitch8434]

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that the theme from Story one was Inuyasha. Right down to the shards causing evil things and needing to be tracked down! Only thing it was missing was taking place in ancient Japan.

[@adventureswithfrodo2721]

In real life or zi guessvin game the biggest whiner wins.

[@millennialboomer6780]

1st story: Remember, if you're the dm, you're still a player at the table too, so don't forget that when you say "player first"

[@schwarzerritter5724]

Panic attack story: It is entirely possible Cleric behaved in a weird way, because trauma is not nearly as fun to have as it is to play. You might point out "why didn't he say anything", and I must say you many people feel the hide mental ilnesses/disabilities, because they are pretty much the only minority it is still full acceptable to discriminate against. Prismatic dragons story: It is completely normal for new dungeon masters to make enemies that deal enough damage to almost instantly kill player characters in a single hit.

[@vodostar9134]

On apologies, don't equivocate. If you did something and someone else got hurt, just apologize. Don't explain yourself. That can wait until later when heads are cool and you're discussing what went wrong. An apology is not an admission of guilt... it's a statement of sorrow. If someone got hurt, you should feel sorrow about that.

[@davariusjessup3943]

I have a hard time with the idea of apologizing to someone who is in a position due to their own actions. The cleric hurt themselves. The cleric decided to bully OP in game at a character's low point. I can only assume the cleric decided to try and push this barbarian expecting no consequences. The consequences were a bit heavy for the situation but those consequences were decided by the DM so again, not the fault of the OP. Intent matters. The cleric's OOC PTSD is an IRL consequence of their own in game actions. OP played the game and the character. Nothing to be sorry about and nothing to apologize for.

[@ArcCaravan]

@@vodostar9134 While it would make sense to be sympathetic to the cleric's panic attack, it doesn't mean the barbarian should apologize for resisting PvP. It'd be dishonest if they're only doing it because DM said to.

[@deepseastonecore3017]

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[@JacobL228]

Story 1: The plot was... a lot, and the nicknames were hilarious. However, it was kind of rude to keep interrupting the DM, it's an unwritten rule that you have to go along with the plot hooks and not say you have no reason to help, and making fart noises like that is a kickable offense. Story 3: Yes, the Asshole, 100%. OP had the toxic, "It's just a game, bro" mentality, and you don't go from having fun to PVP (not wanting to kill someone doesn't mean you aren't fighting) in 0 flat without having some serious issues. That said, saying "I'm sorry that happened" is the worst thing you can say because it's not addressing the fact that you were the cause of the incident. I know Doge's gut reaction to anything going wrong is "just talk it out," but he should really think before he speaks sometimes.

[@ArcCaravan]

So Cleric can force themselves on Barbarian, but Barbarian can't forcefully resist?

[@JacobL228]

@@ArcCaravan Sucker punching someone because, "That's what my character would do" is completely different from casting Guidance or Resistance on someone without stopping everything to get consent.

[@ArcCaravan]

@@JacobL228 Barbarian didn't sucker punch, cleric did and met resistance. Then cleric escalated by actually attacking when barbarian limited himself to restraining. It's a double standard if barbarian needs permission to respond to in-character boundaries being crossed like everyone knows cleric would have an IRL panic attack over being told they were bad.

[@willropa4226]

Both story 1 and story 2: First time I've had to double up on a post, so that's neat. Anyways, if you don't like something, just don't go, it's really that simple, and if you don't want to lose contact with the group, just find something else to do with them in your spare time. All this petty vigilante justice rigamarole is gonna accomplish is hurt feelings that never had to be hurt, and most likely going to end with you getting the boot, because why would they bother messing with someone who's only goal is to be toxic? Story 3: My verdict is everybody sucks here. Cleric sucks because he seemed allergic to the concept of "Poke the bear, FAAFO", maybe if the psychotic barbarian is having a meltdown now is not the time to cast suggestion or inflict wounds, and if he has IRL panic attacks, then I feel he should know the signs of when someone feels triggered and how to navigate that. OP sucks because while it is true that that is what their character would do, it wouldn't hurt to walk out there to Cleric and let it be known that your character's feelings don't reflect your own feelings and that you're sorry about triggering the panic attack. Lastly, DM sucks because he didn't really moderate that situation at all, like dude, you had several moments to step in and talk both parties down, c'mon man, you're dropping the ball here. Story 4: TBH, I got no idea what's going on here, the broken English is making it confusing to understand what's happening in the story.