Borg Lore : A vengeful Angel and crippled Collective

[@VelvetCondoms]

I maintain that the queen telling Seven that she was her favorite was merely a tactic.

[@notmegaming9038]

(repost) The Queen is an artificial individual comprised of everything the borg currently consider closest to perfection. This allows her to be all of the borg as well as "herself" at the same time.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

More like the Queen is a glitch in the Collective.

[@notmegaming9038]

quite possible

[@davetycho8330]

After watching all the lore videos of the borg, I’m starting to believe this too. Think about it, a very high number of borg drones would have been forcibly assimilated, so a very high portion of the collective’s consciousness would be full of fear and anger of being assimilated, as well as a mass of any other random emotion you can think of. It would make sense then if there was an overriding external program that would organise and direct the collective borg consciousness. That could be what the borg Queen is and why she acts as both and individual and the borg collective, because she is both.

[@notmegaming9038]

@@davetycho8330 similar to linking multiple hard drives to form one large one (raid) but in this case the hard drives are organic

[@limiv5272]

@@davetycho8330 The vinculum is supposed to purge individual thoughts, so they shouldn't be capable of feeling fear and anger as long as they are part of the collective

[@alanmike6883]

This is the borg. Resistance is futile. OH crap it's Janeway run away run away (insert Monty python clip)

[@NapoleChan]

I was thinking more of the Benny Hill chase music lol

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

NO BODY EXPECTS THE 26TH CENTURY JANEWAY INQUISITION!

[@alanmike6883]

@@NapoleChan What Janeway as Benny Hill and the borg as the Benny hill girls? That would be a weird thing to see 😂👍

[@alanmike6883]

@@IronWarhorsesFun Damn straight 😉

[@That80sGuy1972]

Minstrels (singing): And once Janeway reared her plot armored head, the Borg unstoppably turned and fled! Borg: We are regrouping. Minstrels (singing): Now that Janeway is her to play, the Borg simply ran away! Borg: Strategic withdrawal. We will adapt. Minstrels: **silence** Borg: **assimilating minstrels** Minstrels (monotone saying): Nothing to see here. Move on. Resistance is futile.

[@tungstenwall474]

headcanon: The Borg Queen is a flawed assimilation. When she was captured, she was successfully indoctrinated, however her will power prevents her from entirely becoming one with the collective, and even allows her to influence her will over it. Maybe exploiting a weakness similar to Lore? Basically she is an individual Borg, exploiting Borg, to do Borg, because she is convinced she is Borg, and thus must Borg.

[@thepbg8453]

Borging hell! She is a right Borg, for that.

[@onlyheretolurkfornow]

My head cannon is she is how the Borg adapted to Hugh rejoining the collective

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

The Borg really need a VPN to stop this kind of thing😂

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

@Thelondonbadger 👍👍👍

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

@Thelondonbadger no it was FACEBOOK. ZUCKERBERG IS LOCUTUS!

[@jeffd8465]

The Borg don't have favorite drones, the Borg Queen calling 7 of 9 her favorite was the Queen's way of trying to manipulate 7 on an emotional level.

[@ArticBlueFox96]

I want to know if the Borg (from the Delta quadrant) and the Dominion (from the Gamma quadrant) had any contact with each other

[@MrPingn]

I like the idea of having the "Queen" be more of a way for the collective think outside the box (rather than an over all ruler). Something they unpack every now and then when they encounter something new to make sure they consider other angles. Or something similar. I feel this would have added a complexity to the Borg. It would also explain why she is so counter to the Borg's usual ways. Add in a power struggle between the queen and the control structure of the collective. I can see Seven and Locutus being attempts at this. To introduce the idea of a new type of Borg.

[@andrewgilbertson5672]

@6:37 - Unimatrix One. Unimatrix Zero got annihilated *last* video. ;-)

[@mrenglish7847]

I’ve always liked the idea that the Borg queen is an echo of the person who first invented the Borg, hence why she is both apart and separate from the hive mind. This would help explain why the Borg act differently when she’s around and in control

[@alexandercross9081]

So things like Janeway's assimilation insurance make me wonder why Starfleet doesn't use Data's impossible shape on officers, as sort of a post hypnotic suggestion, with a trigger to release it when the officer is assimilated, doing untold damage to at least a Borg ship, and making it so the Borg are extremely leery of try to assimilate humans

[@adolfodef]

That would backfire horribly... Stargate Atlantis tried something like that with their "space vampires/reverse_zombies" main enemy ("Wraiths"). When they (the Wraiths) realized that "feeding" from a human could be either safe or "absolutely fatal" for them (with no way to know if the human was "inoculated" or not without trying); they started a *policy* of EXTERMINATING ALL HUMANS from any planet where they found at least ONE with this "protection". This would "by default" also mean their eventual own extinction (since they NEED humans to survive)... except that they made this "policy" public, to be known everywhere in the galaxy (with the idea that each local human comunity would "kick out" of their planet [or directly kill-on-sight to be safe] any "inmigrant" that _may or may not_ have this "protection", just to avoid the Wraith´s _"genocide mode"_ getting triggered on them). -> This does not prevented the Wraith from taking random humans for their feeding, but at least it kept the "leaving a few to survive and repopulate the planet" [with the usual, standard "guaranteed peace" for a few centuries/generations before the next time].

[@alexandercross9081]

@@adolfodef true, true, but this thing might be able to take down borg ships, meaning a drone is compromised, and the whole cube goes down, and unlike in SGA, the galaxy would be more capable of resisting the borg, and on top of that the borg don't eat life, in that literal a sense, I don't think there reaction would be quite the same, less brute force and more tech tech

[@adolfodef]

@@alexandercross9081 Remember those "ideas" The Borg Queen was "discussing" with 7 about more effective ways to assimilate the planet Earth? One involved using an invisible virus-like borg cloud of nanites on the atmosphere (the delivery method was not the real problem, but rather how to guarantee that it would take effect "on every person at the same time" before detection). Now imagine if they just "dropped" some chaotic, uncontroled _grey goo_ using transwarp missiles [undetectable & unstoppable, sent directly from the Delta quadrant] on every planet/ship when this "event" happens. -> They had little qualms on destroying an entire borg cube JUST to eliminate ONE "corrupted drone" (this would work efectively like an "over-escalation" of self-inflicting damage, leading to an asymetrical M.A.D. situation ).

[@SSJCLIFF]

Don't worry. Section 31 is on it. They will do something like that no doubt. I always wondered if Janeway's virus had anything to do with Data's virus.

[@alexandercross9081]

@@SSJCLIFF Good man

[@mbrando4403]

Sisko should send Odo to fight the borg, i don't think he's assimilateable.

[@MarkovianMan]

I've always assumed that in the ST:VOY final episode that they only destroyed the transwarp hub that led to the Alpha Quadrant, and only THAT Borg Queen (I've been under the impression that there is more than one, or at least that if one dies, another is created, sort of like in a bee hive), not the entire Borg collective being decimated. The destruction of the hub would have the effect of delaying the Borg's ability to return to the Alpha Quadrant for a while (until they could reconstruct the hub or get there directly over 70 years or whatever), buying more time for the Federation to develop more advanced defenses.

[@NineWorldsFromDrew]

It’s great to look into the Voyager finale with so much depth - somebody, at some point, had to do it. But of course it’s a good idea to bear in mind - the impact of “Endgame” on the lore isn’t necessarily what the finale was written for. We can all acknowledge, whether we like Voyager or not, that the finale was written sheerly for the sake of watching Voyager be badass, and watching Janeway have the Borg for breakfast. That’s it. That’s literally all that there is to it. There was some character drama in the writing, of course. But beyond that? It was a finale written for action, pew-pews, big explosions, whizzy transwarp, and the glorious triumph of the crew who chose to boldly go home. There’s nothing wrong with trying to find depth in that, but if you find before long that there isn’t much, I won’t blame you.

[@Game...007]

Technicly, the admiral went back in time to save only six people or so, who would have died without intervention.

[@Phoenixesper1]

My view on the borg queen is as such... she was a the result of the borgs single greatest strength and weakness... assimilation. The borg assimilate species and technology. As we learned from Hu, the borg will basically assimilate first, adapt second no matter what. When they did this with a returned Hu it created a crippling weakness that I believe extended FAR FAR beyond what we see in the final lore episode with the rogue borg. I think Hu's influence spread throughout the entire collective and as a result created an imbalance in the hive mind, a schizophrenia if you will, that the borg didn't know how to deal with. Enter the borg queen. The borg queen was an already present entity before the Hu episodes, (thank you first contact ret coning) but I think she was a sleeper agent at first, a parasite hiding in plain site, a member of a species who possessed the ability to either retain their collective will to an extent and influence the hive mind on a subconcious level without them realizing it, or sought out assimilation and had a long game in mind, perhaps destroy the borg over centuries by infiltrating and assimilating them but in the end just decided to dominate them instead. When the Hu flaw arose in the collective the queens took advantage of it and the reign of the queens began. They shifted the mental focus of the borg slowly but surely to filter through the queens own collective hive mind and bam they had total control. And yes I believe their are many borg queens derived from the same species, but they all share the same mind, a seperate borg collective within the collective, each just coloring it with the remnant persona's they once had before assimilation. This both explains the inconsistencies among the various queen encounters, the odd behavior only the queens exibit, and it truely explains why none of the queens know where unimatrix 0 is... because their hive mind is incompatible with the other hive mind on that borg level. The queen add's one tremendous advantage to the borg overall, she can actually think, not just react. And while the borg collective more or less functions as an instinctive entity, she can pump the breaks on them when needed and redirect their actions when the "Assimilate first ask questions later" Approach would cause catastrophic damage again...aka HU. We see this many times in voyager and in first contact when the queen spear heads the time travel event. In the end I doubt the borg were destroyed because the queens were likely isolated and just left the majority of the hive to perish, knowing full well that even a single drone could ressurect the entire collective with time.

[@Enkarashaddam]

The Borg queen is an independent individual because the collective needed her to be. The collective strives for perfection and she is more perfect than they are: the collective has no sense of urgency and treats all species it encounters the same without preparation or planning ahead, it also can't adapt to challenges without first assimilating the adaptation (because the Borg don't inquire and learn they assimilate, yet the queen definitely inquires and learns). So her purpose is to bring a sense of urgency, enable adaptation as well as plan ahead because the collective can't.

[@byuflash2]

Correction at 6:35, Unimatrix zero was the artificial consciousness that only some borg could access. In endgame Unimatrix One is the home to the Borg queen that was destroyed.

[@Phil-D83]

The borg likely survived, but with irreparable damage

[@aperson22222]

I just thought “Endgame” _felt_ like it had an air of finality, like it clearly meant to say the Borg were finished. If any did survive, they’d be completely neutered, no more dangerous than the castoffs that Lore made into his bitches in “Descent.” My gut tells me they’re gone for good, but either way, nothing to worry about any longer. Just as _Nemesis_ seemed to be the end of the Romulan threat even before their sun went nova, and how “What You Leave Behind” clearly meant for us not to worry about any of the DS9 enemies. That’s a big part of the reason I’ve never had any interest in continuing the story past _Nemesis_ and am glad it’s only been prequels since then: The Federation has beaten all its challengers into submission, and there are no giants left to kill. True, Trek need not be a war story, and it would be nice to get away from repetitive “action” pieces. But there’s hardly any room for conflict and tension of any sort. Exploration isn’t dangerous or scary when you can fall back on the resources of an unparalleled superpower that’s KO’d all the strongest societies of the Alpha, Beta, Gamma, _and_ Delta Quadrants.

[@hillbillycoon]

However, Star Trek: Picard made it clear the Borg were still around

[@rurrjh]

All those people wiped out by the change in timeline Janeway gets away treason so bad Simon Tarses blushed

[@MKDumas1981]

Simon Tarses wasn't guilty of anything but lying about his heritage.

[@rurrjh]

@@MKDumas1981 That's not true he never hid the fact that he had some Human ancestry to the Talshiar

[@edgyguy5553]

just because the Borg is a collective does not mean they don't have a hierarchy based on the individual talents of individuals who have been assimilated. Perhaps 7 was being groomed to be the new Borg Queen. I'm sure even the Borg wouldn't make an assimilated mentally disabled person the Queen. Being a collective means individuals wouldn't have any personal ego involved in whether they were a drone or a Queen. It's really not that complex.

[@LungTienQuian]

Great episode of Lore Reloaded and i like the new layout.

[@KertaDrake]

Janeway was just continuing the fine Starfleet tradition of promotional insanity. Go above captain, go crazy! As for the Borg, it felt more like they as a whole decided "Oh no, not these people again! Make them leave before they blow something up again!"

[@taitano12]

I kinda suspected that the Queen was someone who managed to take over the Borg; like a Locutus that got out of hand. Admiral Janeway may have done the Borg a favor. Which could be a gateway to peace between the Borg and the UFP... Somehow.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

I believe something similar. Although my theory is the Queen is a glitch in the collective.

[@jamespescatore7786]

Well if STO is considered lore friendly the borg wasn't totally destroyed and the Tal Shiar might have played a part in the borgs return or a cluster of borg adapted. In STO the borg are more aggressive and appear to even be able to encroach apon fluidic space with ease.

[@donwon7592]

Lore and anti trekker drop a Borg video on the same day... coincidence ? I think not.

[@aperson22222]

Don Won Steve Shives also did a video on “Endgame.”

[@adolfodef]

It is probably not because of each other´s previous videos, but likely a consequence of the "Star Trek: The Next Picard" new series being set up AFTER Voyager´s "Endgame".

[@danielpaquet3963]

lore and anti used to be friends dont know whats happenning right now.

[@kurtreznor]

They both got assimilated?

[@thebuttonsblog]

"The psychopath pretending to be an admiral". LOL. Oh LOL. Such a throwaway line, but it's still got me giggling.

[@TheBamaChad-W4CHD]

You would think the Borg would have some backups in case something like this exact thing happened. It's hard to judge though. You would see the Borg written as completely incompetent in one episode but fiendishly smart and deadly in another episode. Like why the hell would they allow people to transport aboard their ships and do what they felt like doing without the Borg caring in any way unless they were basically shot. The first time the Enterprise D crew did it we could write it off as lesson learned. The 20th time it was done by Voyager crew is just stupid and lazy writing. There's no way the borg could have survived and grown to the major power they were supposed to be. It's like humans are the only intelligent species in the Galaxy. You mean out of the countless millions the Borg assimilated the only ones that thought about boarding a Borg ship to disabe it were humans?

[@rexracer3221]

It has always bothered me that when The Borg weapons were not effective against Voyagers new armor "WHY didn't one or two Cubes kamikaze Voyager?" (THAT would have been the ultimate test of that new armor).

[@alexisodonnell8503]

The fact that you know about the Little Witch of Academia, is very telling. No hate, just love.

[@glenmcinnes4824]

the Borg are a Meta Reality, the Borg Queen is a Point Reality within the Meta Reality. so the Point Reality that is the Borg Queen can have a "favorite" without the collective as a whole having a favorite. who knows their may now be many collectives and they may be fighting it out to become the one collective. for reference You and I are Point Realities

[@frictionRx5]

the Borg Queen is a very mysterious and powerful entity whose mystery is only exceeded by her power

[@demarcusfaulkner7411]

The queen is likely a representative of the Borg. she has likely become the face of the Borg. I believe that the Borg have adapted characteristics of the Federation members they have assimilated. an this is simply them displaying it.

[@TheMarcHicks]

Although I wasn't fond of the introduction of a "Queen" in First Contact, at least the way she was described there still made sense. Voyager, though, really messed it up by going "balls to the wall" with the Queen analogy. I sense the hand of Rick Berman in this decision.

[@arm514ve5]

STO Cannon to primeline is the Borg did survive but they were heavily damaged and took years to rebuild to a point to go back after the alpha and beta quadrants in 2409, 2410. CBS has stated STO is cannon to after Voy as the start of the game also takes place shortly after the events that lead into JJ Verse.

[@danielseelye6005]

Lore, on a semi related tangent I think you would enjoy Steve Shive's latest vid regarding his take on rewriting Endgame plus his own alternate fan version ending of Voyager. It definitely was interesting to me.

[@Dungeonstone]

I've always thought of the Borg Queen as a sort of "Chief Executive Officer" of the collective. Her role would be to make quick decisions when it was taking the collective as a whole too long to come to a consensus, communicate and even negotiate with other species as needed (when simply assimilating them was not an option), and to make the difficult decisions in situation where the solution for the collective as a whole may be contrary to the standard daily operation of the collective such as making the decision to destroy a cube with thousands of Borg in order to eliminate a potential infection being carried in a single drone. With that said, I would also expect that she would be subject to situations where a potential "vote of no confidence" could be triggered in the collective which could overrule her or even see her deactivated (and possibly be replaced by a new drone promoted to "Queen") if her decisions became too erratic or against the perceived best interests of the collective.

[@captainrag]

You should read up on STV: homecoming and beta cannon books like ST:Destiny has more about borg and Janeway vs Picard thoughts on the borg.

[@SurfTrekTonics]

I liked your post Dominion War breakdown remake, very well done. Not much of a Borg fan, but you and AT do make it worth watching. Would be interesting to do a post war Dominion without Romulus being destroyed, or just expand on what you did? Either way great work.

[@cracklingice]

I still think that making the Borg Queen we've dealt with all this time just be a Borg router connecting individual collectives to other Borg Queens on other collectives (collective = cube) and having those Borg Queens basically being a collective of it's own as a ruling class would be a great way to basically keep the Borg around and give them a bit of a fresh spin. Have the Borg Queen we already have met basically be a defective unit that somehow maintained more individuality than the others and acting against their unified decision to keep such a potential target hidden instead of making this potential weak point known would be a way to approach it. Or perhaps these living routers each are tasks with individual species. With each one only revealing themselves to a single species or union of species. With the one tasked with interacting with the Federation being destroyed by Jainway, perhaps a new one is assigned and it takes an extended amount of time to reach Federation space due to the damage to their subspace gates. Perhaps the damage to the subspace gates broke the connections between the Queens and we see civil war among different collectives as a result. Maybe the reintroduced Queen and the idea of them basically having been routers isolating each cube as it's own collective run by a higher tier collective is introduced as a result of one of the collectives reaching out for assistance from the Federation rather than to assault it. I really think there could be a good story in this idea somewhere.

[@matthewbaumann630]

I'm pretty sure the Borg are fine. The Unicomplex got destroyed but the Borg own thousands of planets. They used those kids to spread that virus before but it only took out a few ships. I hope the Borg are still alive as they are a good enemy for future Trek.

[@Raletia]

Lore Reloaded mentions an Anime - instant thought, "Wonder if he'll ever do any Sci-Fi Anime breakdowns."

[@sebwilkins]

Any chance of a breakdown of the episodes "The Outcast" & "Terra Prime"

[@yllbardh]

what happened to Guinan's ominous premonition that humanity is not yet ready to a borg encounter or as she said humans are just raw material for the borg and then suddenly swoop in a matter of a decade janeway deals them such a blow that cripples the borg so hard that entire borg societal structure dissolves and they are in disarray.

[@hiddentrailvideo6992]

Another good one, Lore 👍

[@PersonifiedEpicness]

I think of the Collective as it serves the Queen, not the other way around, she is the collective in the sense that she is part of the same hive mind as the rest, but she is an individual - the body-vehicle may change for that individual identity but there is still one queen, not quite the "avatar" of the collective, more the ruler of it. From a writing stand point, the Borg were originally meant to be insectoid in nature so this make sense, but really they needed the Borg to have a single face for an antagonist. Additionally having the queen have flaws makes her a more... I'm going to say... interesting as a villain. Finally she is as Picard stated "unique", as a ruler over the collective she is part of it, but also singularly, she made Locutus to try and be a equal, and she treats 7-9 as something akin to a daughter, her separation from the collective a reflection of her own. The Borg may be predictable in their general tactics and M.O. but the queen is not.

[@csehszlovakze]

We'll soon find out if Voyager's Endgame or Avengers: Endgame is the better one.

[@MKDumas1981]

What about Megadeth's "Endgame"?

[@importr8cr]

so do you go at all with Star Trek Online's timeline, I dont know if its considered "canon" but they do use the actors from the show...

[@zagartolagonda]

I’m pretty sure, just before the queen falls apart (probably not dead though), she says the sphere had assimilated the pathogen.

[@fulkthered]

In any collective plot line written by humans where everyone is equal there is always someone who is more equal than others.

[@DG-xh8fz]

I've always thought that the queen is actually a person who took over the borg, long ago when they were just a race of people that connected their brains to a neteork.

[@Midnight.Shadows]

I still think that the Queen used to be the collective, but when the Hugh thing happened they created the queen as a separate entity, but corrupting her in the process and making her an individual sort of by accident in an attempt to save the collective. This supports both the idea that things spread instantly in the collective, yet also support the idea that even if something is instant, it isn't an end all blow. You could say the same thing with the virus infecting the Queen in end game, the virus (For all we know is the Virus from Icheb but modified? Iirc its the same type of virus/pathogen.) Even though it was spread instantly throughout the collective, potentially ships with a weaker connection to the hive (Those in Transwarp or far away or something) Would have a small amount of time to try and adapt. Alternatively, the reason why not all borg were effected by the pathogen could be that each ship has different adaptations equipped, and it changes them based on the threat its currently facing (I.e. based on what region of space they're in and who they're fighting.) If the pathogen was indeed the same one that came from the Brunali, you could argue that perhaps this sphere is one that has already assimilated and adapted to Brunali pathogens, (Perhaps even being the sphere we see in the episode with Icheb's home? A ship from that region with specific adaptations that wouldn't be equipped on other ships not facing this threat.) But who knows. Probably just writing plot holes but Damn it, I need to justify my trek! XD lol.

[@newguardian5725]

1:23 No, it would say the Borg is a direct democracy who love their Bread and Circuses reality TV and think of Seven as you would a contestant on Survivor.

[@shadowthoughts7959]

Borg definitely aren't dead. I subscribe to the theory that the Borg are from one of the Magellanic Clouds (orbiting star nurseries orbiting the Milky Way galaxy), and would likely have ways of terminating connectivity to their source in the event of danger, thus allowing for the possibility of a new wave of Borg re-entering and picking up where the first wave left off. They likely spread from seemingly nowhere, and Guinan talks about how entire civilizations had been assimilated before and after her own people, her world being in the depths of uncharted space (likely the Delta Quadrant as the Gamma was mainly Dominion controlled). I'd surmise that they hit multiple places at once from a singular source, either the LMC and SMC (large and small mag-clouds respectively) both "hovering" slightly over the plane of the galactic disk. With transwarp capabilities, this original voyage would make sense, and it would account for the very unique technology that isn't present in any other species met. If the Borg are the amalgamation of other technologies, then there would still be a maximum threshold that is whichever species had the greatest advances in specific fields. A species with transwarp capabilities, a species that made breakthroughs in collectivizing consciousness, a species that perfected projected energies for offense and defense, others in nanotech, others still in self-replicating and repairing technologies; once each was found, and a species with tech in any field less than that already had (or that preferred values and culture over technological advancement), the game wasn't played for tech, but rather for numbers. Personally, I think the Borg are...synthetic. They clearly stand for the moment that scientific breakthroughs go too far; when humanity as an ideal becomes second chaired to progress for the whole of a society without regard for want or individuality. What greater idea of that is there than the artificial creation of life...by living scientists? Life made, genetically enhanced to take our image, tested on with regards to cybernetics and collective consciousness...A species making another of sentience to test on as to not test on themselves; "It's ethical, of course! They look like us, but are merely lab animals!" Collective consciousness + implanted technologies + organic drive to multiply and improve = Borg. I think they were an accident of some extra-galactic species that went too far, damned their own people, and now it falls to the Milky Way powers to push them back or even eliminate them entirely on their own turf. ^^^ Food for thought.

[@richterman3962]

I never understood y the borg didn't attempt to hack enemy ship computers like. The Cylon do

[@freezetasticvoyage19]

Seems legit

[@isaacesparza8881]

Voyager got home after 23 years in the Delta Quadrant. Ten years later, Admiral Janeway travels back 26 years to get them home early. Since Voyager gets back to the Alpha Quadrant after 7 years; there's no need for Admiral Janeway to travel back in time. So doesn't that nullify the actions of Admiral Janeway to the Borg? I think that would mean that the Queen and the Borg are still around.

[@arnouth5260]

I think it would be a lot more realistic if the queen was just a spokesperson, like Locutus, this would actually make sense as having 1 person (per ship perhaps) talk is a lot more effective than having thousands of drones talking at the same time

[@ThePezzy12345]

Really loving the new intro. I have to ask - why would anybody want to turn their power cables into Christmas lights?

[@LoreReloaded]

I actaully think they are cool..neat aesthetic

[@danielshottopics8187]

Who do you think the Captain will be for Discovery Season 3?

[@LoreReloaded]

I hope Saru

[@tonypragz]

the Queen did say she assimilated the pathogen as well as the armor technology

[@TheLuuuuuc]

Worst case scenario: all borg conntected to the collective are dead, the whole connected infrastructure destroyed. But it seems that drones and perhaps even complete ships are disconnected from the collective quite frequently. Those alone could start reforming the borg collective. So I would say that it's almost impossible that the whole of the borg has been destroyed.

[@TheHangarHobbit]

I always thought the Borg Queen/s/ can be explained using Occam's Razor...some time in the past the Borg assimilated a female that for whatever reason (possibly something to do with her race as the 2 we see look similar) is able to keep their individuality and exert their will over the larger group. This would make sense considering that with 8472 we saw that some races are immune to Borg assimilation so it wouldn't be all that shocking that they would run into a species that could have the Borg augmentation without becoming controlled by the collective. Ironically by killing the Queen Janeway may have ended up doing the Borg a favor as under her "rule" they weren't logical or rational, see her blowing up entire cubes because she couldn't hear a single drone in Unimatrix Zero.

[@MKDumas1981]

JANEWAY IS THE RED ANGEL!?!?

[@ExplodingConsole]

After thinking that from the thumbnail and not seeing anyone say it, seeing your comment made me feel a lot better. Thank you :).

[@colnagocowboy]

In a previous episode Janeway and co also "liberated" a large number of assimilated borg. People who set out to avenge thenselves. It's safe to say the Voyager's journey greatly disrupts the collective

[@LoreReloaded]

Yea, i discussed that in a previous episode

[@dedrickhowell805]

Yes, any collective can have a consensus view on its individual constituent members.

[@ronniejacksonjr5607]

I always knew that the Borg survive somehow.

[@NapoleChan]

Aww I would like my lights to flash to Little Witch Academia. I could wrap them around my Sucy body pillow.

[@ilejovcevski79]

To bring chaos to order? That strangely reminds me of "i am the one that brings order to chaos"..... So if the queen was an invention, to stop the Hugh virus from sawing chaos, maybe this means that the new virus destroys the queen and the central hub, thus dooming the Borg to individuality again?

[@DocWolph]

The Borg was going through a period of experimentation after "Best of Both Worlds", in command structure and operations styles. This was probably, though not guaranteed to be, throughout the collective. Thus you have Borg not really functioning like Borg, using control panels, acting increasing like heavily indoctrinated individuals and not mindless cyborg zombies. A kinder, gentler, Borg, as it were. Voyager and Species 8472 however brought this crashing down and showed it really did not work. Having faced near annihilation with shocking little effort from a single Starfleet officer, and being bludgeoned by an alien species that really should have been only "difficult" not nearly insurmoutable, showed the experiment was NOT working. Future encounters with the Borg will have them busy picking up the pieces and rebuilding for quite some time. But, one would hope, the Borg returns to being a faceless, relentless, force of assimilation...

[@TroysMilitaryHistory]

I wish Paramount would release a Borg boxed set

[@germanicus8342]

If she was the 'favorite' borg, why did she only rate 7th out of 9? Seven had crew help out in an episode, and she assigned them all destinations; When Harry Kim asked questions, he was demoted to a higher number, which confirms that higher was bad. So again, of she was the favorite, then why not at least rate her 1irst of 9?

[@BrokenEyes00]

LR, don’t know if this would fall under the justice episodes, but do you think you will eventually tackle Tuvix and his story?

[@chrismulders2344]

Don't feel bad about trek series endings. Whether returning to a cage, fighting time with time, joining the wormhole aleins, doing malace to the palace, or finding out your being played by Riker, there's no loose ends to tie up. Go Q!

[@Jadefox32]

We see in TNG best of both worlds that an individual is selected to facilitate communication, intent, and assimilation of the species. While at the time we all believe after watching it that the selected individual is subsumed back into the collective consciousness. The role of a individual who is selected either to be enhanced or possess certain neural and psychic traits to help facilitate the will of the Borg isn't that outlandish. In First Contact her lines are "I am the Alpha and Omega, the one who is many." Even chiding Data for suggesting that there is a societal structure/hierarchy for The Borg. It doesn't take away from the fact that a individual is used to facilitate and quiet the chaos of the universe at least as the original either group or individual saw it. What does hurt is poor writing and continuity between episodes. For example the contrast of I statements. It's fairly clear from Seven's full designation tertiary adjunct of unimatrix 01 means out of 9 individual drones in that group with the "Queen" being number one she was 3rd to take that role if something happened to the "Queen" hence she would of either been enhanced or already possessed the latent abilities for that function.

[@smof1]

I can't find footage of it but doesn't the Borg Queen say that last sphere has adapted to the virus and the armor?

[@LoreReloaded]

She says it can still hear her thoughts and theu adapted to the armor. Last 15 minutes of series finale episode

[@smof1]

@@LoreReloaded so not the virus then okay

[@LoreReloaded]

@@smof1 ive watched the episode 4 or 5 times and i dont remember her saying it. Let me know if im wrong!

[@smof1]

@@LoreReloaded don't really have access right now lol but if I ever see it again Ill keep an eye out

[@TrekCannon]

I believe she became a better avatar than locutus. For instance, and this is a long shot.... always when considering Voyager, the Borg seems to have found that an "independent"avatar who understood deception, lies and betrayal as the Borg hadn't before. As such I present that she was testing seven and actually did save Voyager due to seven. Through sevens interactions with Voyager, the queen could become more perfect once seven was reassimilated. Stretch, yea I know

[@danielshottopics8187]

Lore do you have Discord?

[@davidmeigs2152]

Nice. Was watching the DS9 episode "Progress" yesterday. Nothing to do with Borg, but, great snakes, there's a lot to unpack in that episode and not a lot which makes much, if any, sense.

[@mrbojangles8133]

heir to the throne is?

[@rawwset]

I have an idea Why not give creative directional control to someone who has shown to be a Trek enthusiast and let them flush out the whole thing, and for future terk. And that does not mean retconing massive amounts of lore just to fit your personal narratives.

[@thebuttonsblog]

As a hardcore fan of ST: VOY above all others, I devoured the finale with relish when it was first released and have watched it countless times since. I'm perplexed the question of whether the Borg were completely annihilated without a single remnant remaining is even a thing? To my mind while watching, Janeway and the crew never considered their plan to be genocidal in nature. When Admiral Janeway is arguing with Captain Janeway in the corridor after first retreating from the nebula after discovering the transwarp hub, Captain Janeway says, "We have an opportunity to deal a crippling blow to the Collective, it could save billions of lives". Source: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2SmhZKni99_bpY Note: Crippling. Furthermore, the CGI destruction of the Borg transwarp hub and Unicomplex at the end of the episode by no means infers the entire Collective is gone as a result. It is logical to suppose, given the size of the Collective, that the Borg would be able to adapt, create firewalls and prevent the spread of the virus before it was disseminated through each central plexus. It is also fair to assume the five remaining transwarp hubs remain in tact. Finally, it is highly unlikely the writers or producers would ever seek to completely kill off the Borg - thereby preventing their continuing story for future series.

[@noelienoelie8425]

She's my favourite Borg😌

[@mrsamaritan6881]

Actually it appears the Picard series will be set in the Prime Universe, the same universe as Discovery, and not the Original Universe that Voyager and all series/movies before Abrams are in. If so, we still really won't know what happen to the Borg as the Prime Universe is legally required to be different from the Original Canon.

[@LoreReloaded]

No...they are all the same as of right now..all in the same timeline

[@hiddentruth1982]

we are the borge. resistance is futile but first help us, The borge were never fully defeated, only pushed back a few hundred or thousand years so they aren't a threat currently.

[@mlproductions5160]

I've always thought of the Borg Queen to be like Neo from The Matrix. She is the answer to the Borg's problem of individuality. As the Borg assimilate races and their knowledge they also assimilate individuality. Allowing it to become a part of all Borg would create a collapse in the collective. So the solution, create a specialized drone that is allowed to house the collective's assimilated individuality. Give it a purpose and some control over drones, but in reality, it is nothing more than another system of control. Now I know this is just my own personal idea on the Borg, but because I've always thought this way I've never had a problem with the Queen. So maybe this line of thought can help you justify her existence.

[@asgard85036]

New intro I like it.

[@SpicusMojificus]

I was under the impression that there were multiple Borg Queens. If not, who's spine did Picard snap in First Contact? I kinda thought the Borg encountered in Next Gen and the Voyager Borg were from different hives. It would explain why the ones Picard encountered were intimidating and Janway slaughtered Borg without losing any crew members all the time. Maybe the Janeway Borg were a weaker variety. I know the real reason was shitty writing but that's my way of dealing with the nonsense of Voyager.

[@limiv5272]

I really hated the Voyager series finale. First, there was a lot of involvement of the Borg Queen. I consider her to be a device used by lazy writers to express to viewers the intents and thought process of the Collective. I think she's unnecessary, makes the Borg more mundane and less scary, and occasionally she actually bores me. Second, and more important, I hated the way Voyager was brought home. After spending years in the delta quadrant, surviving and learning new thing, I would've liked to see the ship's crew use the things they encountered and discovered along the way in order to find their way home. But no, they had to be saved through an external intervention that just magically gave them everything they need. For the same reason I hated the ending of DS9's operation Return. They just ended up magically wishing an invasion force away, instead of the characters actually finding a solution to the problem.

[@Edd25164605]

The queen was a bad idea (in my opinion). There are many gripes but my biggest one is how she can just cut borg off from the collective as an when she wants. The only reason the enterprise was able to defeat the first borg attack was because the Borg were unable to sever their connection to him.

[@danielsharp2012]

7 of nine is the closest borg to perfection hence the favourite thing

[@thesenceofmorality]

I would disagree with the time travel wiping out generations. If that was so wouldn't Admiral Janeways existence cease as well? I like to think these events create forks in timelines as opposed to singular paths. The old timelines still exist, they just don't exist in the same way. To be honest star trek has always played fast and loose with the actual science so any explanation could be correct.

[@shawntipton5971]

Actually it makes perfect sense that the Borg are completely destroyed, this would explain episodes set decades and centuries in the future, civilisation goes on without assimilation, the Borg are dead, on the whole, ST is full of badly unrealistic and conceived storytelling and world building and the Borg are a lousy idea for villains anyway. That said it is somewhat entertaining. It is clear from the episode Endgame, that the different scenes of Borg destruction seems to imply that it is happening in every corner of the galaxy, the lone sphere being all that is left and almost certainly doomed to be infected and destroyed.

[@andrewwblanchard6037]

the 7 of 9 CHAKOTAY LOVE STORYLINE SUCKED

[@Dancestar1981]

ANDREW KNIGHT yeah it was total bs

[@andrewwblanchard6037]

@@Dancestar1981 👍

[@MarvelX42]

The Borg after the end of Voyager is addressed in Star Trek:Online which may or may not be and or remain canon.

[@LoreReloaded]

Is not

[@MarvelX42]

@@LoreReloaded flawless, ironclad, retort sir. I concede.

[@LoreReloaded]

@@MarvelX42 hahah..sorry ..wasnt trying to be a jerk. Sto isnt considered canon by their own website..its an interesting story!

[@MarvelX42]

@@LoreReloaded Ah, well that clarifies your thoughts on it. But maybe you should have at least included it in the video and explained that to everyone? Just a thought. Also, even if they say that it isn't canon it would at least be a Kelvinish type alternate timeline or something.

[@LoreReloaded]

@@MarvelX42 I will take the feedback, but i feel like my channel has been consistent in how i apply what is canon. Im not sure adding a blurb to every video would do well for those who binge my work. That said..ill definetly think on it.. thanks

[@tired6919]

I think you're reading too much into the "favorite" Borg line. The Queen wants to assimilate Voyager and she has someone she is in direct contact with. You're her favorite as long as she has something to gain. Hence her dumping Picard for Data in First Contact.

[@kenp7814]

Timeline wise ... The Enterprise "E" should have had armor and transphasic torpedo's

[@shmee123ful]

You know I think I have a single very easy fix for issue with scorpion saying the borg can't adept with out assimilating something new. Be'lanna was wrong or she mis understood what was happening. It is likely given the borg are some what telepathic or at least have drones with telepathic abilities. That species 8472 were likely attacking or disrupting the collective in some way. And eather species 8472 where able to retrad the borgs ablity to adapt or the borg chose to go back to what was likely an older model of their methods. Adeption through assimilation Or species 8472 where so alien that some how forced to go backwards some how. And Be'lanna just didn't understand this was a tempary thing. Like with the Borg during shields for their craft rather than sup space tech tech nonesence If only the writers have them selves and out. Though seven explaining later that was what was going on or Be'lanna saying this is weird and something wacky is going on and Kes theorizing that this is something that species 8472 can do as when she was mentally attacked she senceeds that species 8472 focus was else where.

[@RobsonRoverRepair]

I think it would be cool if admiral Jane way became the new borg queen....... in a future series.

[@tigerbread78]

Well she's already got the ego, so why not?

[@EJRichardsonFubara]

I think she did - in a CBS-sanctioned noncanon novel set some time after Endgame. #WhenCanonAin'tCanon

[@tuscan9617]

Obviously the Borg were not destroyed and came back stronger than ever due to the Borg invasion of the Alpha and Beta quadrants in Star Trek online and the adventures of Ezri Dax on her Vesta Class Explorer. All of that takes place well after this episode.