Los Andes Is Extremely Powerful At Tier 9

[@evolutionari]

I've seen this match live on stream. This playerbase is absolutely mind-boggling. Maybe for 10 times I asked "What's going on, how are you still alive?"

[@tijger5353]

@@evolutionari I see random shit every day in wows😂

[@quintiax]

Los Andes is ridiculous. In one of the Ranked games an enemy LA melted my Alaska, a Johan XIV and a Alsace. He almost carried the entire game with only his secondaries (as his aim was poor).

[@Virgilfinnatell]

Definition of AI gameplay am I right?

[@MattH88S]

Honestly? Good. I need a ship I can 1v6 with in Ranked, because you know damn well I'm not getting teammates that have an IQ above freezing.

[@Huzarionix]

Don't worry when those will go to F2P players WG will nerf them ...

[@matthewtadel]

T9 facing super ships is the equivalent of T7s having to deal with Jean Bart, Georgia, Musashi and so many more other overpowered ships at T9. It’s bad everywhere. Weegee should’ve limited the matchmaking to +/- 1 tier a long time ago.

[@cactusman7112]

The random battles meta is extremely passive, this tech line is very needed.

[@AaronBaecker]

The other matchmaking oddity in the game is that in a T10 battle, more often than not, you seem to end up with 1 or 2 T8 ships and almost no T9 ships. Why they throw in a couple random T8s in that sort of match makes zero sense.

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

"Why does the pinata complain when the stick lands?" ~ WG, probably

[@hanselsihotang]

Just some free food so those tier 10s won't complain too much if their team lose too hard.

[@macsnovak2389]

STOP hyping these boats, else WG will have them nerved before i get a chance to grind them !

[@tijger5353]

We are getting nerfed like crazy😂

[@ReDiR20]

hyping them for no reason

[@bohba13]

Ipiranga is in the free track for the battle pass, so...

[@micklane7306]

That was the plan all along lmao. Have you never paid attention to this games updates? You have topay to have fun

[@tijger5353]

@@bohba13 I am scared

[@newcomerj3095]

Remember Schlieffen? They nerffed the secondary DPM after the early acess is over. It is going to come man, maybe they will reverse the manuverbility buff or something.

[@joedoe6444]

yup, they are giving us this OP ship hoping players will pay to buy the line with dubs, then as it comes into the TT they will nerf it like so many other ships in the past.

[@newcomerj3095]

@@joedoe6444 Exactly, they added the manuverbility buff the last minute before they release them into early access.

[@Stephen__White]

I mean the nerf came a couple of months after release, that's enough time to realize the ship was slightly to powerful, where on paper it really shouldn't have been that powerful. The nerf to Schlieffen also seems to have been more so to put it in line with the rest of the tech tree, as Rupprecht already had a 7.5s reload on it's 150mm guns and 3.4s reload on it's 105mm guns, as well as to not have the new BCs fully replace the main line BBs. Like I'm not saying this line won't get nerfed, just at the moment, I'm not overly seeing the reason to nerf them. They seem very high risk high reward ships, that if played passively from the back lines you will do very poorly, and given the T10 has a nice little shelf to punish kiting, they aren't likely going to be as strong as they feel now once the player base understands more of how to deal with them, and when the majority of players sit back at 20km spamming HE out of them.

[@MattH88S]

They only nerfed Schlieffen's secondary DPM by... 6%..... they almost never actually nerf EA ships after they release from testing. It's only happened.... I think just once with Schlieffen? Maybe I can't remember back far enough, but it's rare. Libertad and the T8/9 might receive a slight nerf, but it won't be much.

[@samuelwong4152]

I beg to differ Scli is 100x better than this garbage

[@RabbaDooDabba]

Cannot wait for the pan-am tier 11 BB with 21km secondary range :D.

[@oddforoddssake3751]

5:36 Did not expect that, 10/10 on the delivery that time 😆

[@sherbetshake4404]

16:55 my personal experience is that for the last few months, the super ships no longer mirror flanks anymore.

[@communisticus191]

never thought Id be jealous of a battleships mobility and acceleration as a DD main. This thing accelerates almost twice as fast as any DD i own

[@calibanreborn4866]

Reminds me of the Agincourt, terrible Guns, no AA but extrem melting secondaries

[@wesley_b]

The ineptitude of your opponents was insane... so many moments of "why the hell aren't they firing at PQ??!!"

[@j_Snow]

This line came to make it clear how much main german battleship line need buffs

[@joshuayang0331]

asking pq to do the grau with the new commander

[@not2tired]

Another great video. Is your alt-channel called "Tomato Quantity?"

[@remusdb86]

I have one questions. From where did u get that comander ? because from the armory you cant buy it :(

[@Billswiftgti]

Stumbled upon 2 of these in ranked. They have no superstructure, they are super tanky and they fire all directions. They are borderline comical.

[@Daedricbob]

I've got them and played a fair few battles now. They're good but not as OP as everyone is suggesting - I do better with a Schleiffen most of the time as having torps and hydro really affects how players try and deal with you. I think giving them the Russian BB mechanic where they're only accurate at close range is all they really need to have a fun and balanced line. If you kite in them you WILL eat citadels by the way - with the big flat ass (especially Libertad) they hoover up massive damage from behind.

[@thomasantonsen]

What would you choose as a build if you could do it only once? I don`t have that many commander points to change back and forth so I need a good build in general.

[@Hennging_Balls]

Hey PQ, wich ship do you recommand to get with coupon, if your already have Rochester?

[@jellewegener9300]

Are we able to get this Captain later on in the armory for coal? Or can we buy those Paso de Patria Crates for coal after this update in the armory?

[@intangible_kant]

Lol that supership reaction😂

[@bLock_c1pher_Gaming]

2nd channel you say! thank you PQ GG!. take care.

[@alphax4785]

You were just maximizing your AR buff!

[@fwootamala]

How much did it cost to get the captain?

[@Terrathrax]

4:20: Detonation due to secondaries... not sure I've seen that before.

[@monkeyseemonkeydo1794]

Secondary ships need to have the means to be able to push and be effective for the risk they take. It’s not “overpowered” to have the capacity to be rewarded for your risks. That in itself is balance. What you have now with the German bbs is you have already an underperforming line that requires pushing and secondaries to do damage in a meta where you are punished if you want to push in. That is just crappy balancing on WG.

[@jasonkickass9418]

Just a few things. The spawns are a mess and having divs in games makes it worse as well. You can still get subs spawning on different sides too. Also the 2 tier MM is bad in general. T9s vs SS is horrible but so is a T7 vs a T9. The difference is too big between 2 tiers

[@shnma5]

If the tears of my favorite German BBs 😢 are whats needed to shift the meta, so be it. Wouldn't be the first time.

[@seductive_fishstick8961]

5:35 this absolutly sent me 💀

[@abdelkarimalailou49]

Hello from France, my first impression is that his APs are a little weak while his HEs are terribly effective.

[@saintzero9044]

are they going to nerf this line them in 3 months?

[@r1299]

Make pushing in great again.

[@sardaukerlegion]

Same main gun cal. of the Pommern, better secondaries but no torps.... please do a direct comparation.

[@06.ardisuryap68]

Nice vid, now do bungo secondary build 💀

[@TheBigGiant_SpaceChiken]

I have seen this ship in Brawls. Don´t forget about brawls PQ, very fun mode with no Super Ships or CV and Sub cancer.

[@sirdancealot2645]

These ships are basically P2W for ranked right now. If you are a dumb-dumb, you just be a nuisance by staying alive no matter how bad you play. If you are half competent and know the basics, you just carry your team. If you are a unicum, you can almost solo entire flanks and steamroll the match in ranked.

[@doglookingatcamera7954]

Ship request: Jean Bart. The front turret layout is a pain to fight against

[@tijger5353]

@@doglookingatcamera7954 he does a ship request series Ask this question there so he sees It

[@matsab7930]

It’s just a mediocre ship. 8 guns with meh accuracy and terrible armour. It’s okay, decent even, but it’s frustrating to play in my experience.

[@shipness]

Easy break its guns they are fairly weak

[@honeybadger1810]

Hannover needs such a buff after these

[@existentialvoid]

I am one tile from completing for the commander - and have gotten all the tokens I can. . . crap luck I guess

[@Almedius76]

Not being able to brawl is mostly a T10/T9 thing...and one of the reasons I play far more T7 these days...

[@PIONNER-INFO]

Some players bring this ship to Brawn , and looks very fragile. They are deleted in early battle, some players keep hide until end of match🤣

[@philingyou]

Wargaming needs to make these boats more realistic and have more skill / equipments. Most ships have sonar and radar. It’s ridiculous limiting the ships.

[@joecarlson6428]

Your first battle was very funny. Very low HP and no heal. I may wait and grind this ship. The superships and tier 9 isn't fun. It is why I stopped playing random with tier 9s.

[@yuanyuclydechen]

My experience with Los Andes so far, OP in Ranked, but I don't think it is in Random, just because you have to push in to do anything. In a CV game, if CV playing on your flank, you are not doing anything until CV leaves you alone. When you are not top tier, you don't have the range to get close enough to compete with T10/11s. PQ is obviously extremely good, but lets be honest, most of time, first game should have ended with Iowa killing him, and he gets a 130k game with half of the ships on each side still in the game. Good game, but probably not great game being top tier by PQ standard. He showed the ship can carry a flank, but you have no control over outcomes of the other 2 flanks in Random. I actually think, this line is OK for Random, situational, and after the hype dies down, not many people will play it in Random. Unless of course, T11 comes out with a 20km secondaries F key lol

[@bohba13]

simple nerf, make them dogshit at anythig but pushing in, that way players who don't push in get nothing.

[@VengerDFW]

That first game is a damning inditement of the terrible state of the NA playerbase....

[@franz265]

Its kinda said that no1 is mentioning how strongly pay2win this update is with new ships that are crazy op and only for cash and a op commander that you can maybe get after opening tons of containers for festive tokens. Wg covering this up nicely with all the free anniversary stuff.

[@-tr0n]

It's absolutely not a zany crazy nutty conspiracy theory that MM is "rigged" to make sure to provide incentive to spend money and move up the ranks. If you really wanna rabbit hole, track your win/loss ratio and streaks vs tier and friendly teammate stats using xvm or whatever the wows version is. Obviously impossible to actually prove, but there's some hijinks goin on when trends are compared between 45-50% and 55-60% players. A 60+% player who's on a 70-80% win streak starts getting some fucking hilarious team comps and 20 battle long bottom tier streaks. Purposeful balance mechanic or incompetent coding? You decide. As far as balance, as long as they're ACTUALLY balanced with downsides and playstyles, I agree that situationally OP ships can be effectively balanced. If it burns down at long range or can't hit shit when sniping, that's the trade. Is it working? Who knows.

[@tijger5353]

Can we have a satisfactory video maybe once a week?

[@clmwrx]

He kinda makes me want to get that game

[@tijger5353]

@@clmwrx I have It and It is realy fun It is grindy though

[@BergenDev]

Seems everyone is crying out for the status quo, to keep the same meta as we had for years. This comes along and can push, without dying after 5 seconds and everyone lose their shit.

[@gregorklegan5708]

To make superships a little more rare why don't they add an requirement form them like play at least 200games on the tier10 ship that comes befor so people at least have some understanding of the ship they gonna play

[@BSoDexe]

Do you know what other ship is extremely powerful at T9? Paolo Emilio.

[@Hunter_17825]

you mean... Yolo Emilio right?

[@BSoDexe]

@@Hunter_17825 ye. I've been asking PQ to make it justice for several months now. When he made a video on it, it went very bad, and the ship deserves better.

[@Hunter_17825]

@@BSoDexe hahah yeah, I would also like a daring video since it's been a few years since he made a video on her and I'm playing her a lot too (keeping my 70wr with 60 battles, but I still would learn a lot from a better player like PQ)

[@BSoDexe]

@@Hunter_17825 if you can maintain 70%wr on a dd, i don't think PQ is the man to learn from :D

[@Hunter_17825]

@@BSoDexe nah, I still make many mistakes xD, I'll learn a lot from better players like PQ, for example I absolutely suck at Marceau (53wr) even thought I carry a lot of games in my daring, could be a skill issue ngl haha

[@renskivideos]

I feel the same way about super ships. Carriers, subs, and super ships are ruining the games with unfun unfair bullshit. Spawning T9 vs super ships is the cherry on top. Operations from now on boys

[@laer6919]

21:48 "I can get quite negative on streams compared to the videos". Well atleast you are aware of it:D I quit so many streams because of Negative Nancy.

[@FormulaZR]

These look to be very good and too much fun. Probably will get nerfed after early access ends.

[@giovybez8061]

"Just do that, guys" LOL

[@futrzasty]

what if they pull IX's to super games but for a different reason? i mean credit's. you get best income as premium IX against supers... and Wargaming prioritizing premium ship buyers over "free kills" for super users for me is a viable thing

[@jamesharrington001]

Yup, like I wanna use my Siggy, but getting super ship games with her is kind of awful.

[@bndbrotherneverdie4818]

Tier 9 is dead for me on EU :( I played at different times and I needed 16 Games to see 1 Match with Tier 7 Ships. I was always the Tier 9 in a full Tier X or Supership Lobby.

[@charleswajda-gotwals3690]

What is it with this guy gettign 20% of his damage with 80% of his health, and 80% of his damage with the last 20% of his health?

[@Pandemic1313]

Forget the secondaries, the armor is straight up Kremlin levels of OP. Getting full pens or god forbid citadels on these things even flat broadside is nearly impossible. This ship is genuinely designed for bot players so they can perform

[@markbaker3172]

I have both and love em

[@TheKasperlkopf]

At this point we can only hope that they're trying to change the meta. Im a fool I know

[@ronpatava]

These are so busted it's unreal. Armour is stupid good secondaries are broken and the guns are fantastic, dont forget that its extremely nimble. This and the ten can just sit at a slight angle and let its secondaries farm everything in sight

[@fallright-]

I stop playing random battles and I am having alot of fun ,

[@randomguypi-uf2jc]

How the fuck did he detonate that balti

[@ReDiR20]

if Los Andes is T9.5 then OP Karl Johan is T10

[@Stvnpetersen]

WG always do this... bring out a new line that is op in early access then nerf them in the tech tree. They need to nerf supercarriers in my opinion. I see a SCV i usually just ram the first enemy ship i see and suicide. Immensely op but WG don't care

[@ishaanthadani7100]

Finally first game is 100 percent paid actors, idk what you say lol

[@toplili0075]

Noice

[@audigex]

Why can't WG release a new line without making it OP? The power creep in this game is ridiculous If they want to shake up the meta and have pushing battleships, why not change the balance game-wide so that traditional brawlers (eg German BBs) work too? They used to be great fun to play and really encouraged a pushing play style... until WG added a thousand CLs and DDs with such insane DPM that the Des Moines looks like a battlecruiser Nope, instead of recognising that powercreep has caused problems with ships that push, WG just decides to go with more powercreep

[@endorphin1873]

I bet the Ipiranga can beat the 💩 out of a Schlieffen (without torps). The 3 ships are complete imba compared to other ships on the same tier...

[@markbaker3172]

Wg will nerf the heck out of these

[@Bigbeef1999]

What needs to get nerfed are subs. 1% of players play them and they screw 99% of players.

[@randomstuff0331]

Dont worry folks, they will nerf it once it makes its money.

[@danielcanfield8680]

Is it radical to think they should limit the MM so that teams are only allowed 1 of each type of SuperShip? Ive been in match with 5 superships while in a T9 Limiting it to 1 of each type would still be a theoretical max of 4, but i dont think its unreasonable

[@darkmeta372]

All those whining as tier 9 vs 11 while tier 10 smashes 8, 9 smashes 7, and 8 is mobbing 6... Tier 9 was the all time anti low ship tier, as there only was +1 and -2. Now they get THE SAME deal as every other tier except 10 and suddenly it is a problem... yeah sure. Don't change it for superships, change it for all tiers. +1 and -1. Problem solved for all

[@mandalorion]

I whaled it and I'm not proud. But I love it.

[@sandshrew8148]

Day 15 asking for roon review

[@non_htomas8188]

liberate is pretty balanced in asia server tho 😂

[@non_htomas8188]

always got a cv &in general 22km sniping

[@vic4345]

in brawls los andes is dominant 4 los will 100% win

[@ReDiR20]

overall Los Andes is very similar to Pommern

[@LegionaryOfRome]

They are very different

[@eRAD6127]

These are not overpowered in the slightest. They take huge HE chunk damage. A Cleveland can farm this thing to death. Their armor is weird in that it’s high enough to bounce high caliber AP but low enough to get penned by 203+mm. 303+mm HE absolutely wrecks these things. You easily can take 10k+ salvos and lose a 1/5 of your hp in an instant

[@guohongli5727]

So it’s like every other BB in the game?

[@eRAD6127]

@@guohongli5727 yea they’re not as tanky as he’s saying. They’re good in a close range brawl, but get chunked to death by HE at mid to long range

[@eggycroissant0778]

+ they're super vulnerable to any form of SAP ship because of the armour scheme, I've taken a 26k SAP salvo from a columbo while I was angled against him

[@ronpatava]

Oh there armour is broken, they are weak to he just like.any battleship, it's there only weakness. I pitty the cruiser within it's secondary range or destroyer. This ship sitting at a slight angle auto bounces pretty much every ap shell thrown at it

[@spogger19]

day 2 of asking PQ to play radar minotaur

[@deepdragon2]

The tier 8 is awesome as well....

[@JonasGrumby]

They will be nerfing them right after all the whales buy just like they do wityh every OP ship.

[@redeclipse4ever409]

Stop that stupid fake hype. These are just Atlanticos on their tiers and no one made fuss about that ship. They are strong, but not op.

[@amansingh-ls1sq]

thi thing is unbbalance asf

[@TIPP_X]

Detonation in seconderys...... So stupid...

[@Seeking2FindBalance]

Paid actors.....lol. Where do I hire these guys?

[@刘天旻]

I quit the game 2 years ago due to subs and superships. Guess what. They are still here and still unfun to the game.

[@franz265]

The t9s spawning against t11 on the other side is not only a supership thing. It is stupid wg matchmaker who spawns strong ships vs. vs low tier ships probably part oif the griefing strat gg wg

[@simplyastery]

I'm early

[@ManuR-l4m]

Removing the F key and giving them a speed that would fit such Dreadnoughts would be the sane move. But nope, the have to make german BBs irrelevant... Guess WG wants to drain our elite captain XP cause not many have lots of high level Pan-Am captains.

[@pgale]

Tone the hahahahas down fucking annoying after first 5 times on 2min

[@mikkodoria4778]

im a little not sure to trust PQ on this one because he said bungo and wisconsin is weak, then i and the other players proved him wrong.

[@evolutionari]

In his latest Bungo video he says it's one of his favorites. Yes, his first impressions weren't good with Bungo. At this time he's had many matches with these ships though so they're not first impressions anymore.

[@clmwrx]

Those were first impression videos. Pq is human and maybe a bit too critical at times but that's OK because he is very good at this game and teaches a lot about how to play the game

[@leelime9857]

This is my opinion ...this is the worst design for pushing in randoms they have given the ship all the tools to be awful to push in to but none of the tools to push no radar no hydro bad main guns dds are what's stopping pushing they spot you and fill you with torps if wg gave us ....say a russian BB with quad 180mm turrets and radar / hydro/ both wed see some aggressive guys trying getting close to smash a DD clearing the path could be totally wrong

[@illumin4t152]

it is not really fun to play against superships with a normal tier x. all of the new stuff wargaming coems up is FUCKED UP