Lost on Everest: The Mystery of Mallory & Irvine Livestream

[@stevedavenport7281]

Jake, well done. I first read of Mallory and Irvine back in 1984 as an eighth grader in middle school. Even though i never embarked on a mountaineering expedition, I was forever changed and inspired by the story of Mallory and Irvine. Then in 1999, when news broke of the discovery of Mallory's body, once again i became enchanted by their mystique. My path led me, not to the high hills of the Himalayas, but to the competitive powerlifting platform. As I trained, i often imagined Mallory and Irvine struggling with every ounce of their being in the high frozen air of the jet stream, resolute to make the summit. I think for many of us, their legacy is that they have inspired us to commit ourselves totally to an objective, and then exhausting every resource to achieve it. I've been a fan of yours for a long time. Thank you for your humility and your insights from the top of the world. Too bad a movie could not have been made to commemorate the 100 year anniversary so that more people could have been inspired.

[@jake_norton]

Thanks, Steve - much appreciated! And love that you have such a long history with the Mallory & Irvine story! It is a captivating one for sure. And, I've gotta say...WOW! Unreal your videos of powerlifting. Man, my entire body hurts just watching it. Amazing, and my hat's off to you! I, too, wish a film had been made this year, and am fairly surprised nothing came to fruition. One day, hopefully!

[@stevedavenport7281]

Jake, kind of off topic, but do you foresee any expeditions in the future to repeat the west ridge, complete northeast ridge, or even the fantasy ridge which is yet to be climbed? you would think with the overcrowding on the southeast ridge route in particular, there would be more interest among elite climbers in knocking off these more difficult routes.

[@jake_norton]

Hi all, thanks for watching and for the comments! Lots to work through, but I'll start replying as best I can going oldest-newest. Thank you!

[@Hilooknofurther]

This so well done, lots of information I hadn’t heard yet. Thank you!

[@RhondaSweet]

This was so informative, particularly for us history buffs without climbing experience. Can you imagine the sorrow Mallory must have felt laying on that mountain, thinking to himself “no one will ever know”. Ghastly. I hope someday, for his sake, we do. Thanks for sharing your experience.

[@cathywithac]

Thank you Jake. Sandy Irvine's foot was found this week by Jimmy and National Geographic. Like you, I hope that Mallory and Irvine made it to the summit. The absence of the photo of Ruth haunts me too.

[@Jessifats]

I love the quote that you chose from Mallory to sum up the spirit of this expedition. Words that will stay relevant through the ages. You are right that the merits of their journey should be enough to inspire us. The summit question overshadows their achievements.

[@antonyreyn]

Hi can you remember it, I tried to find it but the video is 90 mins,cheers from Sherwood England

[@Jessifats]

@@antonyreynJake starts talking about this point around 55:30 and then the quote itself is bang on 57 minutes. I was happy to hear it again!

[@antonyreyn]

Upwards and forever Upwards Joy sheer Joy And Joy is after all the End of Life George HL Mallory

[@antonyreyn]

@@Jessifats thankyou, I think they made it

[@rg3412]

What a fantastic broadcast! I had never seen such an interactive presentation of the possible routes M&I may have taken.

[@jeffjacobson59]

Jake, thank you for all your hard work and dedication. You truly are an inspiration.

[@jellynicecream1967]

Brilliant presenration Jake. As a nonclimber but a lover of history, you guys have captured my imagination with all these thoughts and theories. I really hope they made it, it would be a romantic ending to a tragic story.

[@willywokeup9112]

Most climbers die on the way down.

[@jnwhitaker]

Just finished Mick Conefreys book and came across this awesome presentation, fascinating stuff!

[@a.j.nemeth2966]

Thank you, this was an excellent dissertation on Mallory and Irving. I thoroughly enjoyed this session.

[@dodpr]

Man, this was great!!! Thank you! I’m actually surprised they haven’t made a movie about this. I think they made it. With determination everything is possible. And if you are risk taker, you will take your chances. I would love to see another video on future searches. Again, thank you.

[@pauldavis4287]

Director Doug Limon was all set to make a M&E movie w Ian McGregor a few years back, but then it was quietly cancelled. I believe it became a casualty if the pandemic. I was so looking forward to it!

[@andrazfaganel4307]

Try The Wildest Dream [2010] and enjoy.......

[@jake_norton]

Yeah, I'm with you. Such great material for a big film without need to make anything up - it's all there. But, Hollywood dances to its own mercurial drumbeat it seems!

[@andrazfaganel4307]

@@jake_norton quite haunting with all Natasha Richardson & Liam Neeson thing. Two pairs of people, two tragic stories...

[@kenkaplan3654]

@@andrazfaganel4307 The Wildest Dream was very good, especially Anker free scaling the second step. If legit, (done in one try) awesome.

[@jackiebaumgart611]

I've watched Finding George Mallory probably 10 times. The sound in your voice when you read the tag on his shirt and your red mittens gave me goosebumps. I can't imagine being a part of that team. Have climbed K2?

[@MakeItSo1111]

I get the goosebumps too!

[@jake_norton]

Ha, that makes three of us getting goosebumps! I do every time as well that I see those clips and wander back in time mentally. Glad you enjoyed it all! As for K2, no, sadly, almost went to the North Ridge a decade ago, but then permits didn't work out unfortunately. Thank you!

[@jackiebaumgart611]

I'm sorry to hear you didn't make K2! Love listening to your stories!

[@rogertarpley3185]

Wow ,I could listen all day. I thought I knew everything about this . I learned a lot. I hope you do some more. Thanks for your time

[@jake_norton]

Thank you, and glad you learned some new things!

[@alexk2652]

Thanks for putting this together, still lots to unpack. Looking forward to next session.

[@pauldavis4287]

Hi Jake, I would love to hear more from you in Mallory and Irvine. Thank you for a great presentation.

[@jake_norton]

Thanks, Paul! I'll try to do another stream soon.

[@82566]

This was very interesting , thank you. I just can't imagine sitting by Mallory and just being present in that moment. What an amazing experience.

[@jujudavis65]

Thank you! This mountain and every story that comes from it is so beautiful and fascinating to me! Please share more 😊

[@jake_norton]

Thank you! Will do!

[@seakinireland]

This is the best presentation I’ve watched. I’m a visual person, so seeing then and now, your “John Madden” marks made it all make sense. Thank you! I love the interactive web site with photos and videos you developed

[@MarinoOliveira27]

Great stuff Jake, you should by all means do another stream. Looking forward to it. Blessings 🙌🏼 🙏🏼

[@jake_norton]

Thank you, and will plan on another one!

[@karenmonks3794]

Thanks Jake. Love Your Theory ❤🏔🙏❤🌍✌🏻🕊 Now We Need An Update On Your Thoughts About The Finding Of Sandy Irvine's Boot🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@bsbb332]

I have just watched this it was a really good insight to the journey of 1924 how very brave you all are it's so fascinating thanks for sharing . I live in the same area Merseyside to where Andrew Irvine lived albeit it he lived on the other side of the river mersey and not far from Birkenhead park

[@boondocksadventures2328]

I'm not a mountaineer but I have read and listened to a lot on this subject. Very well done!! Thank you!!!

[@jake_norton]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed!

[@peggyleadingham4528]

Hi Jake Yes you should do another one. I find all this information extremely fascinating. I can't get enough of the different aspects and opinions about Mallory and Irvine. I hope they made it. I don't think the Chinese have any bodies. Hope somebody has the camera, if it ever existed. Thanks again and for sure do another one.

[@griffith500tvr]

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[@jake_norton]

Thanks, Peggy! Will plan on another one sometime soon. Thanks!

[@Chris-CardVault]

Jake, great telling! And showing!! I sat here quietly, ( in the middle of the night ) watching and listening! Learning! Absolutely, loved it!! Thank you! Pretty cool, leaving that picture!! Behind you, resting upwards, on the floor, in your room, is that an ( old ) oxygen cylinder? And yes!! More streams!

[@munhagorriz]

From benicassim (mediterran Spain) I have enjoyed this Video. I am very interested in the history of mallory and irvine from 1987 When i went ti annapurna I Expedition as a doctor. Someone of Our Team talked to me about this History.. Bad luck, this montaneering died ten days later. Congratulations

[@polarbearsrus6980]

Thanks for sharing!!! This is my favorite mystery.

[@brookecarr73]

This was awesome. Thank you for all of your hard work.

[@bs431980]

Great stream Jake , thank u for all the time u put into this. I come back to the M&I rabbit hole at least once every year. Thanks again

[@rob4489]

Brilliant, fascinating, thoroughly enjoyable and expertly presented. Thank you Jake! I also think they summited. Mallory was an expert climber, cat-like I believe. I think he got up the 2nd step before O'Dell spotted them at the base of the final 'pyramid'. He was fast and determined that day. I also think he was missing the photo of his wife for a reason. Regardless, that they were spotted within touching distance of the summit is incredible considering the era and equipment. So it's their summit in my mind, not Hillary's.

[@Mila_Brearey]

I believe it was a letter, not a photo, which he wrote about to his wife.

[@jake_norton]

Thanks, Rob. So glad you enjoyed the presentation, and like you I believe they made it - no facts to support that belief, but still believe it! That said, Tenzing and Hillary still get credit for the first as they made the round trip. Thanks again!

[@Plasticrubbersoul]

Great presentation Jake! Would be amazing with one more live stream if possible. 😊 Have a great day!

[@robbelcher]

Thank you Mr Norton what an unbelievable piece of work. Although not a mountaineer myself I've always had a fascination for those who defy the elements and mostly succeed in their endeavor to conquer the heights of this great planet. You now have one more satisfied subscriber, again many thanks.

[@brianbaker2062]

Awesome Jake! Thank you for sharing

[@brianbaker2062]

And I do fully agree and believe your take on what happened that day! Just wish we could find Irvin.

[@piaparker3466]

Very interesting and enjoyable in deed, thank you very much. Not a problem at all with the order of your slides, gave me a chance to take a breath. Best wishes and I look forward to your next posts / livestreams.

[@williamh3823]

Finally a video explaining all the relevant articles belonging to climbers except the proximity of glacier that had Irving boot in relation to camp 6..step3

[@christinepaige2575]

Yes! I too have been waiting for someone to bring it all together like this. Great job by Jake Norton and very much appreciated.

[@MichaelDerbyshire-t4b]

Thanks

[@chrisowen2763]

Thanks! Great presentation. I agree with your analysis.

[@akmalhussain2248]

Narrated with a sense of fascination about the uncharted wilderness of the Everest region and the intrepid pioneers who attempted to climb the mountain. The voice of Jake has magnetic appeal

[@MrUpdated]

That was brilliant, thank you. I think a climber of Mallory's reported ability would look at the second step (at least from the picture you put up) and think it was definitely climbable, but getting down without modern protection is a different story. That has always been what has bothered me about the account and where his body was found. If they did go up, they would have had to come down quite some distance to get to where he probably fell from - and if they took the ridge, that would mean downclimbing the second step.

[@thomashunt9012]

Good presentation thank you

[@leeelliot943]

thank you so much . thoroughly enjoyed this , would love to see another

[@somjasa]

Great Show, Thank You so much! Would love to listen to more of your experiences and findings. The "Mystery" and the events surrounding Mt Everest catches one's imagination so hard it's almost impossible to stop thinking about it. Many people living today sometimes easily assume events "back then" wasn't doable due to lack of modern equipment etc... What they miss are the qualities in mind due to the experiences people endured through wars and other circumstances. Situations modern people hardly even knows about and it shaped people with special mind settings. If I don't remember wrong I think Messner said, after solo Mt Everest without Oxygen, that the hardest part was with his mind, to continue to go on. Please stream again I'm looking forward to it! 😺

[@dindu551]

this is an honest and inspiring presentation. except for the second step, I believe that they made it.

[@marielarrison101]

With the discovery of Irvine's boot I get confused about where on the Mountain they "probably" were when they fell. Mallory of course was found below the northeast ridge, even east of the First Step it appears but Chin said he found Irvine's boot on the "central Rongbuk blacier". Isn't that quite a ways apart?

[@andyclough285]

Loved this….please do another one!

[@ridethelakes]

Sadly missed the live video, but enjoyed watching it anyway. Yes please to another livestream, I have lots of questions!

[@dkeener13]

Jake, thanks so much for this thoughtful presentation. Some of your inferences about M&I's final climb make sense to me, others not so much. A lot to chew on, I look forward to the next one.

[@tylerrichards6456]

Love everything you do. My thought against the second step is this- since Mallory was found below even the first step they must’ve found a way down #2, and that would’ve necessitated them leaving a rope tied off above the head wall that should’ve been found by subsequent expeditions. I believe several climbers 1933 team reconnoitered second step, close enough to have seen a rope if it was there.

[@RickSauer-n7y]

Awesome presentation and your slides were very helpful too! R

[@MakeItSo1111]

Darn, I had to miss the live because I had a family reunion today and it took about 80% of my day! (lots of prep, driving hour and half to reunion and back, and of course having to talk and communicate with distant cousins for hours 😆). I am going to watch now, thank you!!!!!!

[@jake_norton]

Thanks, Lynn, family is definitely more important! Hope you enjoyed the replay, and maybe you can catch the next one!

[@edkiely2712]

Good stuff Jake! Appreciate the biographical angle of how you came to be so attracted to these giants. They definitely possess a mysterious and ominous draw and attraction that, at times, can only be akin to a Greek Siren-call. Only those who hv been thousands of feet above the madness of man and his pathological cities below can relate to the seductive allure of the heights. A different kind of calling that you know so well my friend! Thanks for sharing part of yourself!✌️

[@christopherhutchings9621]

Well done Sir!!

[@keithfletcher5024]

Really enjoyed the video,hope you do another,thank you.

[@scottbauer1406]

Jake this was great! Thank you..please do alot more of these

[@MaxExpatr]

Great job Jake. I too had the "Everest the West Ridge" back in the 60s and have seen or read books on Mt. Everest. I believe they summited. My point is that there was a feature on the mountain, such as a ledge or snow formation that enabled the two to pass the second step as reported by Odell. That in the next 49 years when the second step was revisited again , that feature had fallen off or melted. For example, On the Northwest Face of Half Dome there was a ledge the route used to traverse to a sysem of cacks on the face poper. ( undercling pitch to the zigzags etc), This was known as Long Ledge and was a 120 feet long- Sometime in the past 10 years it disappeared. literally. There are other stories of where a route has changed on some mountain becausee a flake or ledge or ice formation has fallen off or changed due to the the weather. I believe Mallory and Irvine had a rock flake or ledge, or even a snow ramp that disappeared in the following half century. They used this feature which allowed them a rapid ascent as seen by Odell to climb it. Anyway, I believed they reached the summit and died on the descent. Thats my story and I am sticking to it. Vaya con Dios. Bruce Nyberg, Stonemaster.

[@BernardMouillac]

Incredible story ! Thanks a lot Jake for giving us the possibility to celebrate this century anniversary. Hope one day we will find something else and know the truth...

[@Ann-j8e2k]

You are wonderful narrator. Thank you for filling in the early background of early climbers attempting Mount Everest. Question what was discovering Mallory’s mitten? What did the mitten feel like? What happened to it?

[@danamos4621]

Love Jake Norton's honesty and humility. Love his raw Irvine search videos. Would love another livestream/s with more Q+A. This story is worth keeping alive. 1999 Mallory discovery blew me away as an undergraduate majoring in recreation. My own view of what happened to M+I is a little outside the 'box' and tells a story of immense tenacity on Mallory's part.

[@Robert-vw3od]

Greetings from the town of Birkenhead. There is a photo expedition at the visitors centre in Birkenhead Park this summer to mark the Centenary of the 1924 exhibition. Growing up on the Wirral obviously I learned about them as a child. we can only hope one day Andrew will be found and the camera with him.

[@surjitpuri4839]

Think the best video on the mystery,even better those of Thomas

[@JoyJacques]

Really great presentation. If possible, could you recommend the best books/documentary about your 1999 expedition that found Mallory's body. Has anyone gone back through those and re-done a newer documentary that would include information that has come to light over the years since then? Thank you.

[@Planesail]

My grandfather was convinced GM made it to the top. 70 years later, I still believe him 🙂

[@bretthannan200]

We don't know that

[@Boababa-fn3mr]

If it's true that the Chinese found and removed Irvine's body, then they probably did make it.

[@williamh3823]

Well..if he didnt why would chinese have the camera and throw the body of Irving off a 1000ft face?? To hide the summiting

[@rocketman1104]

Hi Jake, question, do you know exactly how you found the mittens in 01? I imagine they mustve been held down by a rather weighty rock to withstand that amount of time in the elements and wind

[@kippamip]

Jake thank you for this presentation. I didn't catch it live. I think the green line probably represents closer to the route for me personally. Mallory knew he was going to be filmed wherever possible so he would have stuck as best he could to his route description.

[@innocenceinjustice8518]

Your expertise and experience are incredible. Thank you for your impartial take on this historical question. Do you do speaking engagements? I would love to have you speak if so.

[@jake_norton]

Thank you, and thank you for your work. I do a lot of speaking engagements, just don't advertise it much, mainly word of mouth. Would love to talk to you about it though. Feel free to send me a message off my website here: jakenorton.com/contact/. I'll get back to you as soon as possible. Thanks!

[@davidd6171]

Absolutley fantastic presentation Jake! Where the heck did you find such high resolution pictures from the 1921 expedition?

[@WWIIPacificHistory]

That was excellent and thank-you for doing it!

[@CMTHFAF]

Thanks for making this video. It is very good!

[@RahulSharma-xy9fy]

Awesome Jake....very well done. Super amounts of pertinent information not normally available like blood stains on the shirt, rope marks on the body etc. A lot of us wanted them to succeed....and they probably did, just going by subtle evidence and some proven hypothesis. Now with the discovery of Irvine's boot, does it change anything...have you access to any new evidence? Would love to know your thoughts, and perhaps you can incorporate this in a new session.

[@brucehardwick8824]

Namaste Jake Norton. At the time of writing this Andrew Irvine,s boot has just been found ! Like you & all interested parties I hope National Geographic does the story Justice. Thom I see, (with much glee), has been all over it. No doubt you already have had the phone call. I really have enjoyed both yours & Thom,s insights into the events on the Mountain on that fatefull day. Believe me I get it, driven to know as much as is humanly possible about what happened & further insights into the human condition. While Mountaineering, after whitewater rafting is my least favourite outdoor pursuit, unless accompanied by a pack & a rifle, I am well acquainted with the degree of misery awaiting in the great outdoors. I am a Kiwi born in 1953 & spent time in Nepal as a 23yr old, from an engineering background, so I guess I can get an easier sense of where Andrew Irvine may have been coming from. Anyway my question. Re. Odell,s sighting on June 8th. High altitude Visibility & moisture content in the air. I was caught out once high on the side of a mountain range maybe 1000ft above the hut I was using looking thru a say 60 degree gap in the canopy at my expected route back to base. It had been raining with moderate water vapour in the air, & after 1 and a half hours of going WTF, realising the view was magnified dramatically from what I under normal circumstances would see!! No Map no GPS. From my lookout position distance were reduced by at least 50%! So I have always wondered what atmospheric conditions would have impacted on Odell,s outlook ??? Regards mate. BH

[@rogergriffin9893]

If Irvine's ice axe marks the spot where he fell but Mallory fell from a spot lower down, then did he manage to keep descending after Irvine fell? I've often wondered, are there any large rocks near the summit that Mallory could have placed his letter to Ruth underneath?

[@lauratroxel24]

Im late! I first heard about the M&I mystery when i was a teen(70s) sitting in the sports dr office, i read an article about them. Ever since, I have been hooked. In 1999, i was at work when it was revealed that Mallory was found. I have read all of the books and i try to imagine what it would be like up there. Thank you jake, for videos like this which help people like me visualize this harrowing story. 💞

[@lauratroxel24]

1. What about Irvine's ice axe? 2. George Mallory had rope injuries on his body, which would happen in a fall while short roped together. 3. Now that AI has been located, it looks like he fell with GM. Which would explain why he wasn't found high up.

[@robertBelindawallmorrow]

Thank you, I really enjoyed this and have learnt a great deal. The slides of Everest were some of the best I have ever seen. Please make another video answering some of the questions. Your comments about the mountain changing over time are well taken. It could be that the zig zag route was easier as you point our the second step could have been. What do you think of Michael Tracey's video on where Odell was standing when he saw Mallory and Irvine? He claimed that the first step was not visible and the only snowfield was around the third step.

[@tracycameron5099]

Loved this...very well presented!

[@user-jv9qz2bu1r]

Port Townsend resident here. Just subbed.

[@leeseaman6068]

Jake, many thanks for an excellent and thought-provoking presentation. It was really good to hear about your experiences as well as your theories, which leave the door to this enduring mystery very much open. I'm not a mountaineer, but I've read a lot of the literature regarding Mallory and Irvine from Sir Francis Younghusband's "The Epic of Mount Everest" to Wade Davis' "Into The Silence", from Graham Hoyland's "Last Hours on Everest" to Mark Synnott's "The Third Pole". I remember Wade Davis somewhere within the conclusion of his tome having mentioned something on the lines of the possibility of there having been a potential snow ramp easing Mallory and Irvine's route up the Second Step in 1924. I wonder if you have any thoughts on that? Graham Hoyland, who I understand is Howard Somervell's great nephew, in a BBC documentary believed that they had made it to the summit, but in his book he had changed his mind. This thing about the Chinese having covertly taken Irvine's body off the mountain is pure conjecture for me. I feel that we need to have some sort of evidence to work on before we can consider the possibility of the Chinese having found and interfered with Irvine's body otherwise there's the risk of the potential whereabouts of Irvine developing into a conspiracy theory. One question I have is what did they do for water on that fateful day when their gas cooker had rolled down the mountain the day before? I can't imagine how dehydrated they would've been without an adequate supply of water, and it raises the question of whether it would have been possible to go very far without water. It's interesting that in a 1986 documentary Noel Odell confirmed Mallory and Irvine having reached the foot of the final pyramid, which brings me back to the Third Step, and if they had been there what would have stopped them from going all the way, regardless of the fact it had been 12:50 pm? I'm glad you mentioned the snow goggles in Mallory's pocket because as you say, they must have had a long day, and descended in the dark, but when exactly we might never be able to tell. It would have been so easy for them to have got lost in the dark. Considering where Mallory's final resting place was, it makes you wonder from which point he actually fell because as you say it couldn't have been from the ridge because in your opinion it was a bit too far away. Many thanks again, Jake, and I look forward to more discussions in the future.

[@billybillson2134]

Great watch thankyou 🥰❤️

[@MakeItSo1111]

Hi Jake! Waiting on your response to finding Sandy’s boot! Oh my goodness! ❤

[@colinasquith]

Excellent presentation! Thanks so much. I want to believe.

[@briang4225]

Wow, this video was so good. Incredible story.

[@albertob2659]

Smithe was a formidable mountaineer, according with Odell story he tought Mallory climbed the second step. When he arrived at the second step he considered it impossible to climb and changed way and went in the colouir. The question is why Mallory, in front of the 2nd step (with Irvine, not experienced climber) should have say let’s go, let’s climb it. I think he went to the colouir and tried that way, maybe he came back soon, maybe he arrived at the third step (when odall saw them)

[@christinepaige2575]

Jake, thank you so much for this wonderful presentation. Is there a picture of the mitten you found on Everest, that you think was probably Mallory's? If no picture, were you able to pause and examine it long enough to retain a mental picture of it? I'd love to hear anything further you could tell us about it.

[@douglasmeyer5191]

I believe Odell saw them on the small snowfield just above the 3rd step. I further believe they went straight up the snowfield as Bob Slozen did.

[@susancoddington6393]

Great video, I wholeheartedly believe Mallory and Irvine did summit Everest that fateful day and sadly fell descending in what I think was in the dark. No matter what they were both incredible men climbing Mt Everest

[@bassplayersayer]

So, if we go by Odell sighting. Mallory's body is found low before the first step. If they had turned around before the first step, I think they would have made it back. So, let's put them to the second step. How long would it take them to attempt 2nd step then turn back. Would they have a good chance of making it back to camp? I think so. That would put them between the 2nd and 3rd step when Odell spotted them. I agree with what You had stated earlier. Mallory was going for the summit come hell or high water. My opinion is, Mallory and Irvine made it to the summit but to long and we're pushing hard to make it back to camp. As with so many, the climb down is where the mis step happens. Completely spending all their energy to make the summit only to die on the way down. All tho we will probably never know with certainty. Enjoy Your video. I would like to see a follow up. Rock on !!!!!!

[@straightup7up]

Incredible video, breathtaking photos, I watched a second time on 65" OLED to give the photos some justice, 🙂

[@tolisver]

And my second question to you. Let's suppose that we are 50 years back in time. It is 1974 and the ladder on the 2nd step doesn't exist. You have to pick one route to summit. Based on your experience which route of the 3 routes with different colours in your presentation you will follow so as to summit?

[@ryanaines6617]

I wonder how many other people have found artifacts from GM and SI but never told anyone.

[@stewartjohnking]

Great presentation. Interesting comment on the zigzag route - the weak point in Michael Tracy's analysis in my view. Also your comment that, confronted with the view from camp 6, Mallory may have thought the ridge route a better bet. The 1930s climbers didn't come to that conclusion and Mallory had an inexperienced climber with him. But who's to say? I don't think we will ever know the full story.

[@akmalhussain2248]

So well told. Poignant, moving.

[@hemming57]

If Mallory and Irvine made it past the 2nd step, may they have gone on no matter how late it was. In 1975, Doug Scott and Dougal Haston after climbing the southwest face, reached Everest's summit just as the sun was going down.

[@loganfergus]

Hey Jake, question, is there a reason Ed Viesturs wasn’t on the 99 Mallory Expedition or any after? Just curious because he was an established climber by that point

[@ajaydandekar1069]

Dear Sir, excellent. As you put it clearly the moot question is: Odell saw them on the ridge, on the tail end of the Second Step, and that rules out the Norton route. Odell's first notings are clear on that as you also think. Interestingly Norton himself mentions in his account that Mallory always preferred the Ridge route. Given your experience on the mountain and especially on the ridge route, has Xu's return route towards their Camp VI been followed? He claimed to have seen Irvine to the left and of course to the east of the First Step. Do you think it is worth to explore that idea? He left the 'modern' route quite early from their Camp VII and so it is not a 'normal' descent route perhaps. Also as the 1999 expedition found the oxygen bottle no 9 of the five the Stella envelop mentions, do you think they took five oxygen bottles as only those five were measured for their pressures out of the inventory at Camp VI that they had? Thanks for your time sir. ajay dandekar

[@tarnvedra9952]

Somehow only Norton knew that Mallory intended to take the ridge and evidently didn´t mention that to any of his compatriots even after the fact. Noel in his book expects Mallory to climb on the pyramid from the couloir, and only difficult place Somervell can imagine are the rocks at the top of the colouir.

[@oliverthedrummer]

Excellent presentation and storytelling. While I don't belive we'll ever find out the truth, I really do hope that further evidence comes to light that gives credence to a succesful summit.

[@bassplayersayer]

An enduring mystery for sure.

[@johnthemachine]

In light of recent discoveries I think that during the fall, Mallory being the experienced climber he was stopped himself with his ice axe, but Irvine didn’t have his, and when Mallory caught the weight of Irvine on the rope, it ripped his axe ice out of the ground striking him in the head and also gave him the rope burn/injury, then Irvine’s weight snapped the rope that held him to Mallory (or maybe a rock cut it), and Irvine went tumbling all the way down to the glacier hitting the bottom in pieces, and Mallory (still being partially conscious) slid a bit further down the mountain to where he was found/died. In short, Mallory fell and Irvine fell farther and the reports of old English dead high on Everest were sightings of Mallory or hallucinations.

[@Philippe-y6z]

Great Job Jack... Terrific pictures from everest accurate lecture with real facts comproved by history. You and Thom are the best on this subject. When I want reliable information I watch your videos and also from Thom. Unfortunately Oddel did not see them at the 3° step at 12.50 but rather above 1° step. No way 2 persons not even how fast they are will go from camp 6 to the 3° step in 6 hours. 2° step is not impossible as many say; is climbable as some have done but then to go to the top and come again late night they would need to descend with a rope on a rock. No other way. The Theory of Tracy is a nonsense under the ridge; that would take 2 days and no way they could climb as there is no zigzag route as Messner say. No climbable route via Norton path. Do more videos and other live Congratulations.

[@mikeodil7721]

Hey, Jake! Really cool presentation, my man! So sorry for not being a part of this experience live. At any rate, I actually thought the experience was tops on KZbin from the TV. Really cool in my opinion. I particularly enjoyed your background story, and of course, your love for 1980s attire. lol The Hornbein picture is so legit. And what is it with the scary aspects of climbing that draws us near? Also, when you were guiding on Rainier, did you form a relationship with Ed Viesturs? Just curious since I know that’s his backyard. Your passion for Everest is incredible. I greatly appreciate your respect & admiration for the yesteryear climbers, mapmakers, surveyors, and their unmistakable courage to dive head on into the extreme unknown. And it always feels like your love & respect for North approach means a great deal to you. So much so it almost seems like the South/Nepal approach is cheating. 😂 Anyway dude, thank you for another great time and awesome storytelling. You’re the man Jake! 🙏

[@mikeodil7721]

Oh hey Jake, did you know that another Everest movie is currently underway? It’s starring Ewan McGregor as George Mallory. 😳

[@jake_norton]

Hey Mike, thanks so much for the comment and kind words, and glad you enjoyed the presentation! It was, as always, fun to share, even if I screwed up the tech at the start and was more nervous than when I've spoken to a filled auditorium! Totally agree with Bishop's photo from 1963 of Tom and Willi - so captivating, inspiring, makes you want to be right there with them, climbing into the unknown. I'm sure you've read Tom's book, and he philosophizes quite a bit in there about why we do this, what draws us, etc. Amazing read. I sadly didn't overlap with Ed on Rainier, as he had largely stopped guiding for RMI by the time I started in 1993. But, I got to know him a bit later on, and then quite well when we were teammates on the Eddie Bauer team for 11 years. We were on Everest together in 2009, as well as Aconcagua, Cotopaxi, Vinson, and some other adventures. Great guy. Again, thank you, Mike, and I hope all is well with you my friend!

[@warno406]

Low and behold, 4 monts later and the foot of Irvine was found. That must shed some new light on your theories maybe?

[@emiscand]

Jake would love to hear you on the Mallory bout found today

[@hangalf]

Irvines boot! :)

[@emiscand]

@@hangalf Yes Irvine! :-)