LOST Zelda Game for Nintendo DS: Heroes of Hyrule - Ft.

Today we take a look at Retro Studios' cancelled Zelda game for the Nintendo DS, Heroes of Hyrule, with some exclusive facts straight from the developers who worked on it. The game was planned to be a strategy game in a similar vein to Final Fantasy Tactics set in The Legend of Zelda universe.
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[@DidYouKnowGamin]

If you want more exclusive deep dives into lost projects like this, let us know by giving this video a like or sharing it with a friend. We'd really appreciate it, cheers 👍

[@slyceth]

I share it as much as I can I swear

[@MentalLiberation]

Whenever a great video like this comes about, I try my best to share it on one of my Facebook groups. Gets great reviews, too

[@LIVEvil789]

I have a suggestion for another video; sorry if you covered this already and I missed it. I heard there was supposed to be a third game in the Oracle series, but that could have just been a made up rumor. Anything you could find relating to the lost game representing the Triforce of Courage would be interesting, if only to know it was actually fake.

[@themoreno2600]

@Kyle Hill ??? What do you mean "soon to be cancelled"?

[@3333218]

Who wouldn't want that???!!!

[@samk8005]

I never had this video recommended to me, but now that Nintendo wanted it down so bad, I actively went and found it. Nice job, Nintendo

[@kundudelcastillo]

Same here

[@AlystrZelland]

Same lol They need to ease up

[@mikebrickner]

"Streisand effect" in action again

[@RJP-Gaming]

Yup

[@DJaePea]

Yuuuuuuup

[@ultimadrago]

It couldn't have been cheap to commission all of that beautiful art! Thanks for going the extra mile on these projects, everyone!

[@jamesbrewer2003]

That’s so cool that you can donate through a comment!

[@aricheec7722]

supporting artists is the only way to become a part of art as a viewer-- comments like these are what give artists hope

[@gavin-1237]

pretty sure thats concept art from the game

[@definer0]

@@gavin-1237 it’s a mix of both

[@Nate-ll4do]

It's a shame Nintendo never really let Retro do their own thing. Every time I've heard a Retro pitch, it always sounds so unique and full of passion.

[@bowserjrsoutsidestory7125]

how many retro pitches have you heard of? this is like the only one that i know of that never got approved the sheik one got approved but got cancelled after the prototype wasn't doing too hot

[@SkyfoxDartner]

This is quite true however they seem to be a bit ambitious. This strays too far from the typical Zelda formula, even as a spin-off. Truly how well would it have done if it released?

[@Mochme]

@@bowserjrsoutsidestory7125 it's been confirmed they pitched a reboot of kid Icarus, a Zelda spinoff focusing on shiek and Metroid prime 1.5 aswell. They also allegedly pitched a metroid 2 remake and a Mario spin-off focused on Boo.

[@Dominicn123]

@@bowserjrsoutsidestory7125 Lol how many has he heard of? The answer is probably none, he’s just exaggerating to once again make a company sound like an evil ruthless control freak that only sought out evil tyrannical intentions, as usual. The truth is probably that Nintendo has to hear a ton of bad pitches all the time, and when they see results that typically aren’t very good, obviously they’d get denied. Nintendo has limited time and resources, and only a small amount of projects can be done at once.. because of that, they had other priorities for retro studios to handle at the time instead that was much better for them I hate it when people are so naive to assume things like this about both people and companies lol it’s not that black and white

[@Dominicn123]

Yeah dude sure you have, I’m sure you’ve heard of just so many.. and uh it’s not that “Nintendo never really let retro do their own thing”…do you know how companies function?? there’s a reason why retro’s within Nintendo’s ecosystem of developers.. you’re trying to make it sound as if retro was an independent third party studio that was never given freedom from Nintendo or something

[@Fadingxx]

Hearing about scrapped ideas is always a double edged sword. This sounds like fun, and was interesting to listen to. But it also makes you realize that we'll never get to play it. Maybe someday Nintendo will give this a second chance. I loved FF Tactics, and seeing a hybrid of it, and Zelda sounds like a fun idea.

[@patrickbrown3000]

Never say never. Fans can be great modders and creators. I remember playing a Hyrule Total War mod a number of years ago which was great.

[@legendoflizzie4849]

it gives me some hope in a weird way, i’m not really sure where the series will go after totk but this reminds me that there’s so much they can still do with the series/if they return to 2d

[@galiogargoyle6295]

Here's hoping that Nintendo does give it a second chance, it still has plenty of potential by the sound of things after all. Though I wouldn't be against seeing fans creating their own version of Heroes of Hyrule, whether it'd be a mod for another game or an entire game on its own.

[@maxleresistant]

they already stole most of the ideas to put them into other games though.

[@Fuzunga]

Kind of crazy how many of Retro's games have been cancelled. I hope someday to find out what they were working on for five years after Tropical Freeze.

[@saithvenomdrone]

I thought they are working on Metroid Prime 4. Nintendo was working on it in house, but they weren’t satisfied and went back to Retro.

[@nitinanku]

@@saithvenomdrone they only started on mp4 a few years back, that still left a lot of time between Tropical Freeze and the announcement of them working on Metroid Prime 4

[@SkitBitProduction]

@@saithvenomdrone as of late 2018. But 2013-2018 what where they doing

[@Smathalgoth]

@@saithvenomdrone There is a span of 5 years between Tropical Freeze shipping, and the announcement that Metroid Prime 4 was being rebooted and Retro being put in charge. So the question is, what were they working on for those 5 years?

[@Fuzunga]

@@saithvenomdrone Nintendo was never developing it themselves. It was being made by Bandai Namco Singapore before being moved to their Japan studio. Nintendo was not happy with their work assigned Retro to restart development. They made that announcement publically in January 2019, so probably some time in 2018 is when Retro started working on it. I'd love to know more about Namco's original version too. Seems like good video material for some point in the future.

[@TigheSammy]

Thanks for inviting me to be apart of the project!! Had fun working on it

[@TheCartoonGamer8000]

Editor here - your art was so good I thought it was the initial concept art.

[@TigheSammy]

@@TheCartoonGamer8000 AAAAAH thank you!! I don’t know about THAT though 😭

[@TheCartoonGamer8000]

@@TigheSammy Don’t sell yourself short!

[@saphcal]

your arts made for this were AMAZING!

[@chompythebeast]

Your art was so fluid and expressive, it practically jumped off the page. It fit perfectly into the pitch doc, too, so I'm not surprised to hear our editor friend could hardly tell the difference. Well done all

[@lukatheott]

Kinda funny that this video is piecing back together the pages and story of a game about doing exactly that, which then summoned the boss, Nintendo, to try and strike it down only for the heroes to win and the video is restored

[@thalaseamyst3934]

Irony.

[@jeremyriley1238]

Amen to that. I know Nintendo has the right to protect their IPs, but even they have to comply with fair use when it comes to documentaries like this (especially since DYKG got the concept art and design documents legally and this video is fair use since it talks about a game from over two decades ago that never got approved).

[@ZeranZeran]

Holy crap haha You have a cool mind to notice that

[@CZsWorld]

Pleasant surprise to hear Zeltik after clicking on this video!

[@snaggletut]

It's a shame this game was never developed. Sounds like a breath of fresh air into the Zelda series

[@JaredtheRabbit]

I agree. This idea sounds really awesome!

[@FluffyWuffy17]

It sounds like shit. Is it really a surprise that Nintendo passed?

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@FluffyWuffy17 how

[@GigaDarkness]

@@FluffyWuffy17 I'm not even a tactical RPG fan, and even I thought it sounded like something I'd play.

[@denverarnold6210]

@@FluffyWuffy17 you: sounds like shit Refuses to elaborate Leaves

[@cluesagi]

It's great that Paul Tozour was willing to talk to you guys. The guy must be taking a pretty huge risk talking about this stuff publicly

[@colinobriant6895]

He doesn't work with Retro or Nintendo anymore. Nothing to lose really.

[@weissnetworktv]

Saw this on the news and first thing I saw was my video of Final Fantasy Tactics with credits on it. It’s an honor DYKgaming 😅

[@DJIVision]

Thanks Weiss, I love FFT but it's been a long time since I played it and didn't have footage of it. Cheers mate :)

[@lightbluesquid]

Glad to see this video come back after Nintendo struck this video down. Great video on Heroes of Hyrule! Loved how you showed what this game would've been!

[@GamerFromJump]

I would _love_ a Zelda game in the style of _Final Fantasy Tactics._ I mean, if Mario can do it, why not a series rooted in an epic conflict between good and evil.

[@bri1085]

Why'd they stop making final fantasy tactics anyway? The GBA game was fantastic very loaded, the DS game was fun, the main campaign was just a tad too short.

[@pattyofurniture694]

Oh that's such a cool idea!

[@Kaizoman666]

@@bri1085 I'd guess just due to diminished sales, A2 didn't sell nearly as well as the previous games so they might have just decided to drop it. Though, Tactics Ogre is getting a new remake releasing in November, so maybe there's a shot of them returning to the series.

[@psychokinrazalon]

@@bri1085 Triangle Strategy was cast from the same mold.

[@SufferDYT]

Zelda + Rabbids: Hyrule Battle

[@DrPumpkinz]

The game sounds like it would have been really cool, but the plot point of Ganon being sealed in a book is shared with one of the CDi games and I think that's amazing.

[@novustalks7525]

that's why it sounds rubbish

[@Cooe.]

​@@novustalks7525Ratio lol. 🤣

[@StarzGecko]

Yay! I finally get to watch this amazing history. Hope Nintendo leaves this video alone it’s not going to hurt them 😅

[@michealbounds550]

Only learned about it through YongYea

[@mimicchest866]

It probably is going to hurt them. I have never seen a game like heroes of hyrule. I don’t even know how it is supposed work.

[@Mac_Omegaly]

@@michealbounds550 Yongyea is why i am here too. Though I do stop by on this channel from time to time.

[@f.g.5967]

Someone other than nintendo is making money and the word zelda is involved, so nintendo counts that as “harm”. Nintendo wants to simply be the ones who talk about their IP. Robin Williams was lucky nintendo did not hear about his daughter

[@Mac_Omegaly]

@@f.g.5967 But him And his daughter were in a Legend of Zelda advertisement.

[@MajoraWaffle]

this channel has some of the best, most genuine journalism i have ever seen in video games and the fact it still keeps getting under a million views in every video is utterly insane.

[@3ftninja132]

Seen in videogames?? Not just videogames, EVER.

[@highdefinition450]

I feel like he used to get more views lol, like he has 2M subscribers but doesn't even have over 100k views..

[@darky1677]

exactly what i was thinking. crazy to see that a channel with this much quality and with all these exclusive videos gets so little views,people prefer to watch streamers scream over a game i guess

[@ffarchduke]

i think its because they used to do clickbaity ass videos i never watch their videos anymore but i decided to click this one

[@DijaVlogsGames]

I‘ve been following them since they started posting gaming facts on meme sites way back in the day. Before they had their own website. Way before they made videos. And their videos sucked, just a compilation of already well-known gaming trivia. They hired KZbinr Dr Lava a while ago to do research for them and since then their quality has skyrocketed. This change in direction is, of course, much less „clickable“.

[@TheLegoNation]

This would have been really cool to see. A shame Nintendo rejected it

[@novustalks7525]

nah its good they rejected it

[@TheRebornExpert]

@@novustalks7525 Ratio.

[@novustalks7525]

@@TheRebornExpert when did I ask

[@HappySlapComedy]

Nintendo: please understand we must milk mario as hes our cash cow! Miyamoto-san is a genuis with his 1000th mario title.

[@novustalks7525]

@@HappySlapComedy zelda is the cash cow now

[@tristanneal9552]

Imagine how much that ending would have blown our minds as kids

[@t.b.cont.]

I like how Ganon is so narcissistic that his autobiography makes himself more powerful when holding it

[@trevorrose3769]

It’s a good day seeing Zeltik host a Zelda video for DYKG

[@Shosholegbt]

Zeltik I’d slash his assss

[@FlackNCoke]

Honestly both this and the Shiek game sound like they were great ideas that were just pitched to Nintendo at the wrong time. Given how Nintendo seems to have loosened up somewhat when it comes to spinoffs of their flagship franchises (Zelda in particular has the two Hyrule Warriors games and Cadence of Hyrule), I feel like one or both of these pitches would be received a lot more positively today.

[@gamemaster2819]

I don’t know about the Sheik game. From that video, it sounded like an awesome story with beautiful art, but a really boring game

[@UnderseaDee]

I could see that being the case with the spinoff mentioned in this video, but the Sheik game wasn't liked by anyone aside from like 2 Retro higher ups. It was a boring reaction time test. If anything Nintendo would probably be quicker to reject the game nowadays (and realistically it just wouldn't even be made nowadays)

[@varden506]

@@gamemaster2819 yeah it was literally just another version of links crossbow training lol full pass. Now, if they took the concept art and fleshed it out into a full world a la TP or BOTW then we’d be talking.

[@spoon7053]

@@varden506 i wouldve been so angry if i was that concept artist, making some of the most kickass designs and then the devs and higher ups trash the project and your work is for nothing

[@jgodden8022]

Did you watch the Shiek game video? That was definitely not a good idea in terms of its game design. This on the other hand had a lot of potential.

[@XSpImmaLion]

I can see how this game could've elevated the tactics genre, or perhaps an entirely new mixed genre to new levels of fandom... sounds pretty awesome and all. Then again, you never really know... it could've tanked and be riddled with technical problems too. I just really enjoyed the general idea and narrative! Thnaks for unearthing this story and sticking to your guns guys, this is a story that deserves to be out there!

[@DJIVision]

Thanks SS :)

[@solomon9655]

There's something so thrilling about seeing new iconic Retro Studios art that was lost to time and recognizing it as such. I saw that Rito design and saw the Chozo in her, it's so so cool. To this day, the Metroid Prime concept art is some of the best I've ever seen.

[@novustalks7525]

you should see their art from the cancelled metroid horror game.

[@solomon9655]

@@novustalks7525 oh I have! If you’re talking about Metroid Prime 1.5, it was basically Portal before Portal which is wild.

[@novustalks7525]

@@solomon9655 yeah!

[@GreatFox42]

This one kinda hurts because this sounds awesome. Tactics-style puzzle-solving sounds like a brilliant combination and I think it really would have worked out.

[@neoware9030]

Congratulations for getting this amazing video back! Happy 2023!

[@PinkBunnybunso]

Nintendo really created a streisand effect by trying to bury this.

[@WaveParadigm]

The level of journalistic integrity at DYK has completely astounded me this year. Cheers to everyone involved!!

[@littlegamer8006]

I can imagine myself reading about a game like this in Nintendo magazine and planning to buy it. The good old days... too bad it never went to development, I love the concept and would have certainly loved the game.

[@DJIVision]

I used to pretend to have the runs in high school so I could go play Final Fantasy Tactics Advance in the bathroom for 10 minutes. That was right around 2004, when this game was getting dreamt up.

[@chompythebeast]

Alas, how much better you and the bathroom could have been acquainted. The Dr. Lava origin story is beginning to come into better focus with this tragic revelation

[@DJIVision]

@@chompythebeast this is the opposite of tragic -- it was awesome

[@chompythebeast]

@@DJIVision I guess you're right, too much of a good thing might've spoiled the uniqueness of the memory. You and Tactics Advance will always have the second stall from the left

[@ajtriforcegamerofhyrule8538]

Not sure why i didn't think of trying anything like this for school ages ago just to play more pokemon

[@DJIVision]

@@chompythebeast How did you know it was the second stall from the left?

[@klutterkicker]

I love how the Zelda franchise uses time and history in storytelling and game mechanics, and this sounds like it would have been a really unique addition. It's sad that it never got made.

[@JinglePeeny]

To be honest, this is one of the most fleshed out pitches I have heard. With the amount of good quality pitches that Retro had canceled by Nintendo, it makes me wonder what would happen if Retro could just do what they want. Step out of Nintendo's shadow and actually push out their ideas into the world of gaming.

[@tobbeborislyba]

Imagine if they get bought by Sony or Microsoft, wonder what reaction would have Nintendo? Like losing another high power developer like when they lost rare.

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

Link's three friends being a Rito, Zora, and Goron calls to mind that stonework texture in Twilight Princess HD. The artist who designed it claimed he just thought it was a neat idea, but what are the chances he knew about this game?

[@DarkLink1996.]

Low to none.

[@chompythebeast]

It was a different studio, Tantalus, who worked on TPHD. Nothing is impossible, but it's probably more likely that the artist was just drawing from the same idea of "prominent characters from each of the major races" that inspired this concept

[@pianobard5478]

Do you have a link to the image you're talking about?

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

While I know that Tantalus Media did the remake, and that the specific artist Jack Kirby Crosby never worked for Retro, he could have know someone who did - a former coworker who moved to Texas and kept in touch.

[@denverarnold6210]

You know, they could reuse the idea, and make it as a prequel to Breath of the Wild, if they wanted. Make it some thousands of years instead of a hundred, and you barely have to change a thing, storywise.

[@PrincessZelda_is_My_Side_Chick]

Im so happy that a community of people stood up for this channel against that giant bully Nintendo and were able to get this video back up... Good job people. It's always nice to hear stories like that

[@PovlKvols]

Sounds like a really interesting concept. Thank you for sharing and bringing this to KZbin!

[@DJIVision]

Thank you Povl :) I'm the guy who wrote this video btw. Really appreciate it.

[@macroxela]

Sounds like it would have been an interesting twist on the Zelda series. I had a similar idea but the playable characters were Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf who were fighting a common enemy: Space Pirates from the Metroid series who wanted to take over Hyrule for mysterious reasons.

[@smoogieboogie1694]

This sounds so cool! I've always wanted a Zelda game where you play as characters of the different races rather than just Link.

[@dannybahoobees19]

Have you never played major as mask..?!

[@smoogieboogie1694]

@@dannybahoobees19 Read my comment. I want to play as actual characters of other races rather than just Link. Aka not Link just transforming into them. I love Majora's Mask, but the only Zelda game that came anywhere close to fulfilling that fantasy of mine was Age of Calamity, and even that wasn't a traditional Zelda game. The one in the video sounds like it would've been great.

[@highdefinition450]

@@smoogieboogie1694 not a traditional Zelda game either tho lol

[@smoogieboogie1694]

@@highdefinition450 Not 100% but the gameplay outlined in the video is much closer to a traditional Zelda game with a focus on puzzle solving and quests than Age of Calamity which was a beatemup game.

[@brycebitetti1402]

@@smoogieboogie1694 I honestly think that the Warriors format never suited the kind of series Zelda is. The MUSOU trappings of huge swaths of enemies, large rosters, and minimal story never seemed to complement the series in my eyes. They usually just become shallow vehicles for fanservice, which never struck me as a very "Zelda-esque" thing to do for a series that was normally so considered and prestigious otherwise.

[@snipufin]

Ganon sealed in a book? Clearly Nintendo didn't want this to be an official sequel to Wand of Gamelon.

[@Bonezones]

I've been following this channel for a long time and a few years ago considered the videos to have fallen off after watching a Mario one that was 15 minutes of "Did you know, this enemy has a different name in Japanese?" But now you guys have been really knocking it out of the park with serious investigative journalism and translations of JP interviews. Amazing stuff.

[@mermaidsandchill]

Welcome back!!!

[@ThatSquidYT]

You were the first comment after many days!

[@ElFanf132]

El legendario que le gano una demanda a Nintendo, mis respetos crack nuevo sub👌

[@Emir_Alexander]

Fino🧐

[@ACbiK1vArtlfNBVs8AHvdeeIQjJ3Aq]

Era obvio que ganaría por qué su derecho a prensa está por encima de los derechos de copyright ya que no uso contenido ilegal

[@lucymata4991]

😮 Ni yo me lo creo

[@stevehuber1586]

I guarantee I would have played this game over and over. Wish it wouldn't be cancelled

[@malcire]

Nice to see this restored. Fuck Nintendo's rampant DMCA challenges.

[@RrraverCrow]

It’s crazy that Nintendo actually tried to DMCA you guys over this. Then again, it’s not very surprising since this is a very Nintendo move.

[@demacherius1]

This sounds like and would have been able to revolutionize the genre.

[@GreenLantern814]

And it's such an amazing pitch! I'm incredibly disappointed that Nintendo couldn't see the potential in this idea and expand their plans to include it. The level-less item gathering idea was one of the things that made me love Ocarina of Time, so this HoH would have been right up my alley.

[@MrUriel2015]

Not really , but don't sounds bad either.

[@rickylovesyou]

That's a huge take, revolutionize the genre. Not sure if you know exactly what you mean you are saying, or just going for the hyperbole. It does sound like a great game in theory though.

[@contramachina354]

The concept was too ahead of its time for Nintendo

[@ChaossX77]

I think thays why they wanted it taken down. They feel stupid for not pursuing it. Or they have something in development. But I'm pretty sure it's the former. Damn, Retro was always on point.

[@kannakity9732]

I've just started the video, a few minutes in, and they definitely took many elements from this concept for other games. This game would have been so cool

[@LanEXHikari]

This is a testament of the level of professionalism DYKG has, keep up the good job everyone!

[@hanakowolf578]

I am super excited to see this video is back where it belongs. It seems to Nintendo, that even FAILED projects are theirs to "own", and technically, while it is (as it was using the Zelda name and IP) that does NOT give Nintendo the right to strike down videos like this. This channel is for journalism and reporting on past events that many MANY people around the world wouldn't have gotten to experience or see otherwise. And on top of that, channels like this SPECIFICALLY ASKED PERMISSION to make these failed projects into videos. I understand that Nintendo is a Japanese company, and that the Japanese (in some aspects) are VERY behind on the times and do things that seem "odd" to the rest of the world.

[@chompythebeast]

Absolutely love the investigative work you guys do, you're really at the top of your field as working historians in the video game sphere. Thank you so much for your labor, and indeed for the high quality analyses you're able to produce in such an entertaining form. Cheers, to the whole DYKG staff, and to all the rest who help and contribute, too

[@foomp]

Seriously crazy how unique this take would have been on Tactics style. Such a potential diamond about to be formed, but sadly long lost to the ages.

[@Tclans]

Back up, hooray! 👏

[@JPLikesVideos]

Great to see this back. This type of content you guys have been doing has been absolutely stellar. Looking forward to more of this style!

[@DJIVision]

Thanks JP

[@Cycopather]

Interesting! There's actually some elements similar to HOH that appear in the Blossom Tales series, which is a Zelda-like indie. The story is told by a grandfather, and as he's telling the story, he can change the story, which changes the gameplay of the main story.

[@videoket]

I liked that aspect of Blossom Tales. I wish it had happened more often, and I wish it had had more of an effect on gameplay. To my memory, it was usually a small cosmetic change or changing what type of enemy appeared on one screen. To have a game with a lot of these moments (including slots or spots on pages that you could affect the scenarios) would have been pretty cool!

[@hallwaerd]

That Heroes of Hyrule logo is so cool looking

[@user-qe1nx5qy6z]

Nintendo-0 Did you know Gaming-1

[@Excalibur-Sonic]

Yongyea brought me here! Already subbed you to guys but missed this video. Now going to watch it! Keep it up guys!!

[@Cody-Bear]

I was brought here because of YongYea as well

[@catlerbatty]

Watching this again to support DYK ✌✌

[@gcook725]

This would make a very interesting D&D campaign concept I think, esp. if the party makes both groups of heroes (past and present) and you let them play through both: When they go back to the book after collecting enough pages for the next bit of story using the modern day heroes, they get to play through an epic-level adventure with the ancient heroes.

[@randygaleano1534]

I came here because of a publication on facebook about how nintendo took this video down, I'm a fan of Nintendo but they should be ashamed, Channels like this one are the ones that actually help them to sell more games, they should be helping them not trying to take them down.

[@tundral]

Something about the way Zeltik explains anything Zelda is just mesmerizing tbh, the man has a talent

[@AT7outof10]

Thats a pretty clever twist, you want to complete the book's story, but it puts Ganon back together... Also, sealing Ganon in a book sounds a bit familiar... Retro didn't play the CDi games by chance?

[@gregoryderpwrld111]

Came here only because I heard that Nintendo hated this video. And now I shall watch to the end

[@haydenmaines5905]

I remember when I first starting hearing about DYKG about a decade ago and it was just kind of interesting facts - the growth you've had is just amazing, and I'm really grateful for all of the information you've been able to gather, translate, and discover

[@andrzejkopalnia]

Congratulations on succesfully contesting Nintendos DMCA claim!!!

[@mm3k224]

I get why many would give up a dream job working for nintendo, specially when they put a lot work in only to have their pitches rejected, and I wish something like this would have materialized, even if it was far removed from the Zelda IP... Also,congrats on getting the video back online! I hadn't the chance of watching prior to the take down, and I wish this takes a Streisand effect spin, and it gets even more views than it would've gotten had ninty not do anything lmao

[@rhamlet5290]

Nintendo is just an EA with better PR. It isn't a good place to work, and it isn't a good company for gamers.

[@KaminoKatie]

@@rhamlet5290 More like Mattel

[@suuslime3908]

@@rhamlet5290 "It isn't a good place to work" Even if you don't like Nintendo as a company, this is objectively wrong.

[@rhamlet5290]

@@suuslime3908 Why do you think that?

[@suuslime3908]

​@@rhamlet5290 First answer how you know it isn't a good place to work at.

[@glengreer9614]

This is so tragic… this game sounds kickass. Great to see you on DYKG, Zeltik! Nice work!

[@unrandomdeyoutube9363]

This Victory will be remembered

[@ubx9563]

Nintendo were stupid in 2004 for rejecting this game and they were stupid in 2022 for trying to ban knowledge of it.

[@premsinha9415]

Wow, this would have been amazing. What a shame something like this never came to fruition. I wonder if someone will develop a fan game reflecting this idea one day.

[@HEMAYATC]

I’m so glad this video is back up!!

[@KesorodaBlk]

We won! Nintendo should just sit there and pout!

[@derekwst3-YGO]

fan game makers, you have a job. i know you can do it

[@jasonkonen]

Would have loved to play a game like this. Thanks for the research and video!

[@andrewg9107]

I would have bought this game in a heartbeat. The Zelda series deserves more fresh spin-offs like this

[@ben-tendo]

The idea of Nintendo seeing a studio as capable as Retro, who they’ve invested in and have so much faith with, and constantly refuse them Zelda, makes no sense whatsoever.

[@HachannEinzbern]

Not only you made such a valuable video for gaming's history, but you also defeated Nintendo and their evil schemes. Absolute gigachad

[@OSW]

It's back!! Happy days are here again 🥳 BIG WIN, not only for DYKG & their fans, but against companies that abuse the DMCA to censor legitimate videos it doesn't like. A winner is you! 💚

[@Cextra_the_artist]

This game sounds like it would've been so cool!! Ahead of its time perhaps

[@TheCartoonGamer8000]

We’re back, baby.

[@WhatTheFnu]

Ganon sealed in a book? NO! NOT INTO THE PIT! IT BURRRRRRRRRNS!!!

[@Kippykip]

Nintendo try not to abuse DMCA CHALLENGE [IMPOSSIBLE]

[@OwinBlazer]

This video got Streissand Effected into my attention lol

[@Strick-IX]

Ganon? Trapped in a book? I suppose Nintendo didn't want to risk canonizing the CD-I games.

[@kirbtastic15]

So glad these unproduced/cancelled Retro projects are finally going to light after all these years. I'd still love to hear how the Boo game would have worked.

[@Johnny2Cellos]

I am obsessed with this concept art, wow

[@acefire0005]

Retro Studios being held back by a higher up's "no" must be so frustrating. Really good concepts and amazing ideas, only to go nowhere. Seems like such a waste of passion for projects, especially when you feel burnt out on one thing and have a drive to do something new. Also: I'm here from YongYea reporting on this! Despite being subscribed, all things "this video" were completely suppressed. Never even got notified it went out, and when I caught wind of it being back up, rushed over to watch it. KZbin could really do with consequences for abusing copyright strikes. Abuse the system? Lose the ability to claim things for a year. Repeat copyright abuser? Lose it entirely.

[@StormcloudLive]

Here to watch this because Nintendo didn't want it watched, that Streisand effect in full effect.

[@ivanlopez5630]

Heard Nintendo didn’t want this video to blow up, so here I am :)

[@chillandkeep1958]

The first man to beat sub-zero Epic…

[@MinecrafterPictures]

You know what's better than the video itself? The fact you defeated Nintendo's DMCA abuse for this journalist video

[@batmabel]

I feel like it could be very likely that a pitch like this would be accepted by Nintendo today, especially after things like Mario/Rabbids and Cadence of Hyrule, they definitely seem to be more open to different stuff using their bigger brands, especially after they said they wanted to have something from the Zelda series coming out every year. It's a shame most of the people involved with this project already left Retro, maybe they could try again.

[@StabilizeYT]

Wow, just wow. To have videos like this that are filled with completely exclusive information that can't be found anywhere else, PLUS a bunch of commissioned art to help fill in the gaps? The effort that is put into this channel is just off the charts. It goes to show how far ahead DYKG are from other gaming fact channels! Keep it up!

[@xxzickboyxxdiabolick4939]

Bro, you are the one who won a lawsuit against the great N, a legend

[@mwales8262]

I love the path y’all have take with this channel

[@matthewmcmillan1880]

Got here from the Kotaku article about you guys beating Nintendo's takedown - way to stay firm! Nice work and another great video!

[@collin86]

"Copyright infringement is when someone shares info about me that I didn't want revealed." -Nintendo, probably

[@KillianC1C2]

I honestly would still love to see a Retro Studios Zelda or even just a western made Zelda.

[@EarthboundBenjy]

We have Cadence of Hyrule at the least, which is the first ever indie Zelda.

[@collaterale1]

>western made Zelda The shitty Triforce of bad CD-I Zelda games would like to talk with you.

[@krishrama]

lol. one day a western studio shall rise and prove itself worthy in nintendo eyes... until that day tho enjoy BOTW n tears of kingdom shit.

[@KillianC1C2]

@@collaterale1 I mean that was 20+ years ago. There are more talented devs who understand Zelda and love it more but ok lol.

[@KillianC1C2]

@@krishrama I’d argue Retro is more then worthy. Maybe Next Level Games.

[@Igarappappa]

Congrats on being back!

[@MarioGuadalupe]

You did it. You defeated Nintendo. You really are the Hero of Hyrule™.

[@juandiego1993]

I'm glad to see this video back! I watched it downloaded and found it really interesting! Hopefully a mod or a full blown game can be made like this!