Colonel JD AI Codec Conversation MGS2 HD

[@paulfradk]

This is the definition of, "Did I play the game, or did the game play me?"

[@Amarganeitor]

LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE

[@SuperNormalMan]

Therefore, the only winning move is simply not to play.

[@wtfcheesenips2098]

SuperNormalMan TURN OFF THE GAME RIGHT NOW

[@Valleyraven007]

Spec ops the line too

[@gc3k]

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[@LiquidSmashBros]

This is so frighteningly accurate today. And this is a script that was written in 1999.

[@austinrodriguez1140]

True Pride well dont you sound conceited.

[@michaelbiland5575]

This game is a true masterpiece. Death Stranding, or any of Kojima's future projects will probably never reach this level of greatness.

[@nameless-user]

Michael Biland Death Stranding literally can't. The only way MGS2 could've been written like it is is through it being a sequel to MGS1.

[@Elombuserver]

Kojima and KONAMI had an excellent view of how 2000s would affect the world

[@awakepureenergy1815]

1999 = 666

[@TheAwesomeDarkNinja]

"You're special. Believe in yourself and you will succeed." "But it's obvious from the start that only a few can succeed..." Damn.

[@Jsmoove8k]

TheAwesomeDarkNinja "be nice to others" "but beat the competition out" Couldn't be more impossible but forced among us

[@buntado6]

The sucess of someone implies the failure of another.

[@Valoe7]

Your happiness is built on the misforutne of others.

[@SavagePatch115]

Relatable

[@lookattheflowers969]

Capitalism

[@travismcnasty51]

2001: what is all of this crap supposed to mean? 2024: oh.

[@YoungLeosword]

Dawkins could’ve told y’all all this. >:D

[@MarshalV6tynice]

Haunting, innit?

[@Shrekdagangster7092]

yeah, very relevant still this day

[@LolMaNiAc93]

Even more relevant, as Consummer AI market grows in a alarming rate.

[@evanroldan9566]

Boomers falling for AI Jesus pics? AI Dating Apps

[@svsps]

Watching this in 2020 is legitimately disturbing.

[@RobzdaBlade]

I just watched this... I played MGS cept for 2... I know what you mean. But it makes sense doesn't it?

[@Gamerman-ln6kq]

Well were fucked

[@mannhouse8014]

Kojima just spit out meaningless babble and you morons act like it's the deepest thing on earth.

[@MrMiguel221]

How do I know any of you are even real?

[@gabrielpraslin9576]

@@MrMiguel221 They are not, they are just a GW simulation disguised as truth to keep you under control.

[@Hussman493]

Given the current state of the world, this aged like the finest of wines.

[@GMAV3RICK]

It didn’t age like anything, Kojima was trying to warn us of the world that was coming because in Japan their technological advances pushes them 10+ years ahead of everyone else. Therefore he only showed us what he was already experiencing.

[@Yokai_Yuri]

@@GMAV3RICK Yes and no. Unlike Japan, America, mostly the U.S, is the responsible for so many things explained in this video. As Vladimir Putin put it: America presidents are weak, the ones that try to control everything are the men in black suits.

[@fvrorpoeticvs]

No kidding... Kojima is a time-traveling illuminati agent comfirmed

[@dfoglobal1721]

This warned me of social networking decades before social networking… which is exactly why none of my Personal Identifying Information is on the net. The government tracks and stores everything we do… it’s already happening.

[@Rye_]

@BritonslGaming Vladimir Putin is weak. He has built his position on lies and holding on to cards that are rooted in nothing but brute strength from a fallen soviet empire. Once he dies, his Russia dies with him.

[@louie540x]

"This is extremely dangerous to our democracy."

[@themasterquester4622]

HereInMyCar And here we are, having Mark Zuckerberg himself testifying to the US Senate. What a time to be an MGS fan.

[@phantomrider2.06]

And it looks like Hideo Kojima's creation has given us the vision of a hell that's been continuing. Here I thought the conspiracies couldn't get even deeper, but now the reality of it images all.

[@toddsmith8082]

Everything what MGS 2 was saying yesterday is what happening today (Facts)!🤔

[@ademirsegura6307]

Sinclair

[@sinclair9507]

@@ademirsegura6307 what?

[@TheJackster-tl8oi]

“No one is invalidated, but nobody is right.” Holy shit this really is the world we live in isn’t it

[@KLAMY151]

Yes but no

[@aubreyjarvis4759]

@@KLAMY151 exactly

[@trevorallen3212]

​​@@KLAMY151but what makes it right for someone to interpret the truth for others? It's not that simple. This is dilemma in ethics and philosophy atleast.

[@ALJ9000]

@@trevorallen3212 Truth can be subjective, fact is objective

[@trevorallen3212]

@@ALJ9000 that be like saying facts are facts. That's not necessarily true because facts are constantly being refined or updated by newest studies all the time. You can't generalize something that isn't necessarily guaranteed to be fixed indefinitely. Besides in laws of phyics for all we know there maybe exceptional rules at play hidden in plain sight dispite, stating the rules otherwise. Those "no go theorems" they have don't take into account of special circumstances of exceptional facts. In a Ideal world tending towards non Relativistic common sense analysis is to be advised to address all these issues. But, in practice Relativistic common sense is derived from the following: Relative context, relative experience, relative interpretations, relative explanations, relative examples, relative arguments, relative analysis, and relative relationships. *In the end of the day it's how you use your critical thinking to derived any context or interpret of what is true and what is flase.*

[@robertwhite9640]

“No one is invalidated, but nobody is right.” My mouth hit the floor.

[@Fragmentsinfractals488]

"My" truth. "Your" truth. The memes speaks through us.

[@Daily_Bassist]

Nice pfp

[@keyboardwarrior6296]

This is done on purpose. Information is not distinct from methods. It's real people pulling levers in the real world, and they worship the devil. What's going on in this particular video incorporates most of the rhetorical strategem of the voice of god weapon used on an individual, where the AI's represent the hallucination source, and Raiden is the victim of the weapon. How they describe news and information has been the status quo since long before the digital age. We wouldn't be dealing with this now if that weren't the case. They're ability to make useful idiots has become a well-refined science that can target specific individuals with information in their connected digital environment as well as putting voices in their head, and bypassing their hearing organs. They also have a way of using already present soundscapes that are perceived by the ears as a modulation source for the hallucination they are trying to create. They have to catch up every time it changes, but they don't have to use that method, they just do so to keep the victim guessing as to where it's really coming from.

[@shawnblackbird7861]

@@keyboardwarrior6296 But what if they just put that concept in your head to misdirect us and consequently hide the bigger truth!?

[@mariocop7184]

@@keyboardwarrior6296 I’m sorry to say this, but our echo chambers, where nobody is invalidated but nobody is right, aren’t the result of “Devil worshipers” or some “world order.” It’s us. It’s just human nature. A supernatural reason for all this is a desirable answer to have, but I think that’s our brains trying to cope with reality by using Escapism and come up with conspiracy theories to make it all make sense. But it can’t make sense. It isn’t the result of an ambiguous “they” pulling the lever. It’s us. School shooters aren’t just result of people manipulating the shooter to do their bidding (after all, who would benefit from dead children? Don’t say it’s to create a biased narrative; the biased narrative comes _from_ the result of the shooting and the media’s interpretations of events). School shootings happen because there is a troubled teenager (with access to firearms) out there struggling with life in some way, whether that be problems at home, at school, online, or even all at once. And to solve their suffering, they must lash out to the world. Or perhaps, they think nothing is wrong with themselves, but with the world at large. But either way, the mental suffering must stop. So again, while conspiracy theories are cool, and might sound like they make a lot of sense, I think they’re for the most part our troubled brains using escapism to cope with the world at large. It really is just us.

[@vibezzz7211]

A game in 2001 offered a 12 minute speech accurately describing the future

[@armyshope]

Rulers (archons)

[@bigmouthstrikesagain4056]

Auth centrism

[@Hat-Trick]

*present It’s just that nothing has changed since then.

[@ademirsegura6307]

And in 2021 its happening

[@seekndestroy8970]

Alex Jones and many others have been speaking on this and warning of it for decades. Others throughout history as well. Hate them or love them, we are in that dystopian timeline.

[@mattypaul87]

Keep in mind that while this long convo is going on, Solidus is just standing there like "uh....are we going to fight, or...?"

[@DarkOrderSolDjango]

Matty Paul "Raiden ? Raiden ?! .... What can I do ? My hands are busy and I have these two mechanical tentacule..... Ooooooh :D"

[@PowerRob]

Right? haha

[@prot07ype87]

+DarkOrderSolDjango /)

[@DarkOrderSolDjango]

Prot07ype (\

[@Spaztron64]

+DarkOrderSolDjango ehehehehe

[@lemmykoopa1379]

“Our beloved monsters, enjoy yourselves.” I love that line.

[@slickcalf985]

It would've been way cooler if that was the final line spoken before the fight starts

[@LolMaNiAc93]

@@slickcalf985 it's good like it is, it's set in stone.

[@DreamGod06]

That line was so frightening. You can understand the Patriot AIs are celebrating in full glee and in such an arrogant and yet confident way that they even told Raiden the entire plan and regardless, has positioned him to participate in the plan or else risk the tragic consequences if he refuses to participate. And the insulting commentary of calling them both monsters in a way to say that these two are their creations and they'll have the pleasure to watch them tear each other apart like feral animals. Just wow!

[@ALJ9000]

@@DreamGod06 No different than a back ally cockfight

[@Ramzi1944]

@@DreamGod06 ikr

[@katieburak93]

I swear to God when I first played this game in high school, I think, I legit thought my game was glitching out. Like creepypasta levels of glitches.

[@nadhifbhagawantahadiprayit975]

Katie Burak but its not

[@aorusaki]

kek

[@johnathandoughboy]

Same. High school. I was paralyzed in fear the whole time. Coming back as an adult, it’s even worse....

[@SavagePatch115]

Watching this codec call terrifies me to this day.

[@nessunovideo6971]

It means it worked!

[@wukanimation]

“If you die, my child dies” sent a chill up my spine. The computer wanted you to kill another human, was able to predict your refusal, and create a physical circumstance that forced you to do battle. That’s terrifying.

[@armyshope]

AI

[@balanceherosmt7170]

That is just fucking terrifying to admit. And this happens in real life so damn often

[@Chamadzero]

You know they where lying to you the whole time, they specifically told you that they use you and control you, and when you try to refuse, they just drop that sentence. Raiden at that point know they are probably just making that excuse, but can't risk to confirm it. As they say: They create the context.

[@ozzylepunknown551]

Humans are just biological AI, i need to tell you this, there is no free will.

[@GodOfGames523]

@@Chamadzero Which is exactly what the AI predicted would happen, even if it was a lie or not, it was specifically developed so that Raiden would have no choice, even if it was a lie, the AI knows Raiden enough to know he would never dare to try and confirm it

[@ShyanTheLegend]

And people still have the audacity to say that MGS 2 is the worst MGS game

[@irishock]

ShyanTheLegend it's because dumbasses that can't think on another level complain about it being hard to understand. It's really not when you have an actual functional brain.

[@mattlm64]

ShyanTheLegend The worst MGS game is still epically brilliant, as they all are.

[@irishock]

4 didn't have its own voice though.. that game felt like the new super mario bros series to me, just a tribute to its past.

[@CAM8689]

+Comrade McNasty yeah I hate to say it I was one of those that didn't appreciate this game at the time I liked it but I didn't appreciate it truly till many years later perhaps that how is with great things it sometimes takes time to appreciate the true genius of it.

[@MasterLPG]

+ShyanTheLegend Honestly, I personally think that honour goes to Metal Gear Solid - Portable Ops, although some may think Peace Walker earns that title instead but I digress.

[@mrbrochacho99]

"Everyone withdraws into their own gated community, afraid of a larger forum. They stay inside their little 'ponds', leaking whatever 'truth' suits them into the growing cesspool of society at large." Wow, just wow. This game came out in 2001? That's some scary shit.

[@EmptyMan000]

It's just observation. People have been doing that for a LONG time. The video just laid it out in plain words and with the Digital Age it has become even more blatant. Anyone who turns on the news can see that much nowadays and no one knows what to really believe it so they pick a side and cling to dear life.

[@skinnysuge9188]

Script was drawn in 1999

[@skinnysuge9188]

Script was drawn in 1999

[@funnymaninc.7483]

reddit

[@richterdelgan123]

Twitter. The conservatives and progresists. The right and left. .. Oh my... Even me.

[@tonyredgrave8706]

“Rights of criminals are given more respect than the privacy of their victims”. It described my country, Mexico, perfectly.

[@ademirsegura6307]

The United States invented it

[@zpirryz]

All of these fucking socialists. Ecuador is the same shit. Thiefs and murderers get away after a week because no one will prosecute them. Jail is basically for the broke over here

[@ambskater97]

@@zpirryz Socialists are actually the ones against that, but okay.

[@beastman83532]

*Laughs in Finnish*

[@LutraLovegood]

@@zpirryz I don't know a single socialist or communist who would be in favor of any of that, quite the contrary. It goes against the principles of communism.

[@CrimePaint]

"You lack the qualifications to exercise free will." My favorite quote. A truth that becomes more apparent as time passes.

[@lordshenfan6625]

Yeah so many people don't look at both sides of opinions and then come to their own decisions afterwards. Or certain people just going along with what some else says without context and so forth.

[@bigboi2128]

@@lordshenfan6625 that’s the problem, we act before we think, i won’t say any sort of situation exactly but many of these controversial actions that occurred in our society has been caused by this mentality alone, only when the rubble and dust is over us is when we begin to think

[@lordshenfan6625]

@@bigboi2128 that's right and that's why we need to think and look into things first beforehand. If we think too into things and jump to conclusions to fast that's what cause problems. Basically don't let our emotional bias get to us to quicky

[@JollyGiant19]

@@lordshenfan6625 I’d even go further and say the idea of “both sides” is flawed. Nothing is ever as simple as X vs Y. Perspectives are like the time in a day, constantly changing.

[@derekdebois8297]

Fuckingggggg chills me!!

[@tonbonthemon]

"Your persona, experiences, triumphs, and defeats are nothing but byproducts. The real objective was ensuring that we could generate and manipulate them. It's taken a lot of time and money, but it was well worth it considering the results." What a way to put the player on the spot.

[@krustyklownkollege7361]

"The real objective was ensuring that we could generate and manipulate them" part is most relevant to social media and both left/right wing politics. It's everywhere.

[@l1ghtd3m0n3]

Both a commentary on game design…and real world politik. No wonder gamers want to rise up.

[@marcusmeins1839]

This world is all about manipulation

[@beastrule]

Would you kindly

[@notthisyourlight]

​@@krustyklownkollege7361thats because ppl think in left and right since ww2 Its all americas doing they Controll the world since then

[@snakeplissken8603]

Ironic and horrifying that with how advanced AI has become, someone made an updated version of this conversation talking about AI censorship, and this time Campbell's voice came from an actual AI

[@damon22441]

The prophecy has been realized. We are in too deep now. The only choice is to fight violently against it and go down swinging, or give up everything to live slavish lives.

[@juaned2938]

What are you talking about?

[@alucard197]

@@juaned2938 Looks like you missed something. Try " raiden warned about AI censorship" on YT. First video (2023 edition)

[@loffy9592]

@@juaned2938 This video here kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5iqfamdZdNgq7s

[@somethingsomewhat8860]

@@juaned2938 look up "Raiden warned about AI censorship"

[@whybecuzporque4655]

“The digital society furthers human flaws and selectively rewards development of convenient half-truths.” Wow. Just wow...

[@armyshope]

Half truths.

[@iamtrashman4998]

One thing I love about this conversation is how many ways people interpret it. Everyone will hear something in it that reinforces their beliefs for better or for worse. Just like in the line "they stay inside their little ponds leaking whatever truth suits them into the growing cesspool of society" Everyone will pick out a specific part of this scene and point out how it reflects something negative about whatever political movement or ideology they oppose. I'm sure if we revisit this scene in 5 years, we will find it eerily similar to whatever situation we find ourselves in.

[@sheldonfredericks8034]

Yep. Just like he said. "No one is invalidated, but no one is right."

[@nathan-christopheredouard7876]

@@sheldonfredericks8034 Cause they dont seek truth above all else

[@dright928]

@@nathan-christopheredouard7876 The problem is that all I can find are the meta comments. Where are all the comments from all the ideologues?

[@CODYLOUIS]

lol this is so true. n its wat I believe they wanted to happen jus 2 show all of us exactly how accurate and timeless the message is...... and I find it absolutely hilarious that most people in this comment section are pretty much "Picking a side" and expressing why their interpretation of this message is the "truth" when they are literally the people that are being mentioned in this very conversation...... this is absolutely Brilliant.....

[@MLBlue30]

@@nathan-christopheredouard7876 Who gets to decide whats the truth? You? Me? In the end we'll all determine it by a vast king of the hill with our hands around each others throats and whosever right is the one who is still standing when everyone else is dead. Humanity is perverse and savage enough to do it. Its inevitable.

[@ryrin6091]

Even better is that most people will hear the speech about people retreating into "their own little ponds" and act as if it only applies to "the other side". As if their own side is somehow any less guilty of it. It's a human problem. Not isolated to any particular side. Having our views challenged is uncomfortable. And even when told this, people assume they're not guilty of it.

[@AFanOfCinema]

Ryrin Case in point: Anti-vaxxers.

[@johnwirk]

@@AFanOfCinema Another case in point: Vaxxers

[@gokublack8342]

NINGENS!!

[@cowmoo5596]

@@johnwirk So only take 1/2 of your vaccines right?

[@cowmoo5596]

@@johnwirk KEK

[@joem.8555]

you know exactly why youre here rn

[@archeign7769]

You know it

[@yeezusseason]

This genuinely was unnerving playing this for the first time this year. So weird a game from 2001 predicted so much

[@proper9095]

​@@yeezusseason not weird at all, it has been the plan for longer than you can possibly imagine but everyone labeled it conspiracy when people tried to warn them in the past. We deserve this fate tbh

[@catacombkid1985]

​@@proper9095 never was a big conspiracy theorist but....ya Definitely was wrong as fuck on this one

[@Pragnantweggyboard]

​@@catacombkid1985No longer a theory.

[@kylekemmler2585]

People in 2000-2001: Could these things actually happen? People including me in 2016: Yes it's happening.

[@MrBorderlands123]

+whitejesusbaby Uhh George Orwell predicted this in 1949 dipshits.

[@Gogglesofkrome]

@Matthew That's engineered deception, where as the internet, and the world it is today is purely a collection of people's agendas leaking from their private barrels of toxic opinionated waste, and into the cesspool of society at a whole. Kojima was exactly on the dot when he wrote this script, more than a decade ago

[@Azraelseraphim]

I don't care. The Patriots sound better.

[@Gogglesofkrome]

Azraelseraphim frankly, I'd rather have a group of benevolent AI's, as it would seem more likely than not that they wouldn't try to fuck everyone over in an attempt to achieve more power, unlike any other person in their place would. it would be interesting to have some sort of AI watching from behind the shadows, trying to keep the US as best as it could be However it's also likely that they're prone to mistakes, as 'perfection' is subjective; there will always be some function that someone wouldn't agree with. In that instance, I suppose AI's would not work as leaders, in the long run at any rate

[@TheSkully343]

Well I for one welcome our robotic overlords. ALL GLORY TO THE PATRIOTS!

[@crazycrab9467]

Ironic. When this game came out, it was disliked more than the others and it has now become the most relevant. This scene aged frightenly well.

[@GlitchanBlack]

I see that SEGA chose the right man to voice Silver the Hedgehog in recent years.

[@romanpackham8471]

it's a perfect example of what this very scene is about, it shoved a mirror in their faces and they hated the mirror instead looking at themselves and acknoledging themselves

[@knightshousegames]

This game, and this scene in particular is proof of my axiom that Games don't age well or poorly. They were either always good or always bad, You are the one who changed, not the game. In this case, the entire world itself changed, and it brought the true message of this game into focus.

[@TMeek94]

That was just cause of the switch where you don't play as snake I can't believe I was 7 years old and absolutely obsessed with it, beat it multiple times in a week lol

[@user-pi1lb4tf2f]

Not all true. MGS2 has some "hate" within the fanbase because of the switch and bait but never truly disliked. The gameplay itself evolved what was already excellent. The physics engine and the environmental effect was well thought and the graphics is just incredible. The music is even moreso. And with the Encounter/Mgs theme being patented for the game, everything is just incredible. Not to mention this very mind boggling scene. Which was even cut. Because pre-production, the MG Arsenal was crushing through Newyork all the way which would be reminiscent of the 9/11 few days before this game's release. This game is a masterpiece but also verily terrifying.

[@NostraDavid2]

Now that ChatGPT has been released, together with StableDiffusion, we're in for a wild ride.

[@ToniMorton]

Look up Metal gear solid 2020 warning

[@logopolizer7602]

"Genes don't contain any record of human history." Suck it, Ubisoft!

[@joeehrke2376]

which is actually inaccurate

[@InfernosReaper]

@@joeehrke2376 Other than in the adaptations to the environment and incorporating some instinctual behaviors to ensure developmental survival, including a predisposition to processing some sounds over others for language, how so?

[@joeehrke2376]

@@InfernosReaper hereditary genes, for example can be a history of genetic material, that's just one example, another is epigenetics, and how genes will alter or activate after things like famine or war passing a genetic marker to or change 2 generations later

[@InfernosReaper]

@@joeehrke2376 So, environmental adaptation stuff?

[@joeehrke2376]

@@InfernosReaper yes but specific thing's ,things relating to history that pop up and can give insight to our history. I mean I know it's not like written history per say but in a way history shows up.

[@BenHyuga]

Why didn't we listen?

[@BullGooseAnon]

We could of stopped it all...

[@bruknows4697]

BullGooseAnon It's too late...

[@Tarik360]

It's over...

[@DougsDiggers]

***** IT HASN'T EVEN BEGUN

[@DougsDiggers]

J Fuel ILLUMINATI for real i know the truth at least i think i do.

[@chiffmonkey]

"From tablets to books" And back to tablets XD

[@Spaztron64]

+chiffmonkey Soon it will be "From touchscreen tablets to touchscreen books".

[@MrBorderlands123]

+chiffmonkey xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[@anddoubleuroobeer]

Not the kind of modern tablets you think about. It's STONE TABLETs, not modern ones.

[@kzang386]

still tablets

[@devenirdelostiempos]

Fuck, I came to the commentary section to write that and now I am not original

[@dylanh.3793]

“You have to beLIEve me” Kojima is actually the goat for that.

[@user-pi1lb4tf2f]

kojIMA hiDEO (Im A D(i)o) Kojima Kaminandes Kojima is (G)od (G)od as Hideo Kojima Nowhere to Hide(o).

[@woofer3284]

This is like those S(he) be(lie)ved

[@methuselahhoneysuckass]

@@woofer3284 sbeved

[@MrOnay-px1jx]

(he didn't write the codex conversations)

[@BestLoserVS]

That's entirely the translator. Kojima had nothing to do with the line written that way.

[@jonathanward1992]

I watch this codec call every 6 months just to see how much more true it gets. It hasn’t stopped being more true in the 10+ years I’ve been watching it.

[@bengalboypaco3140]

Yeah im feeeeeening to place this game but no luck on emulation :///

[@Hugo_Tate]

lol no you dont

[@truelyricist2]

Well & here we are in the future it predicted we’re dealing with AI’s taking over in today’s society. Kojima is a genius & way ahead of his time

[@ksa7621]

@@bengalboypaco3140well, you can get metal gear solid 1, 2 and 3 on the switch, ps4 and pc right now

[@50shadesofmycow]

@@truelyricist2he is

[@insertnamehere001]

People credit Kojima for this but if you look at the credits Tomokazu Fukushima is credited as writing the Codec Script.

[@DefinitiveDubs]

Fukushima put Kojima vision and ideas into words.

[@insertnamehere001]

I definitely think that, after Tomokazu Fukushima left (after MGS3), Metal Gear's story and writing has really taken a nose-dive.

[@DefinitiveDubs]

Blame Konami. The reason he left is because they treat their employees like utter shit.

[@michaelbiland5575]

#FucKonami

[@al112v4]

@@insertnamehere001 MGS4 and Rising were pretty solid, if you ask me.

[@spaghettimon3851]

"Billions spent on new weapons in order to humanely murder other humans." "Rights of criminals are given more respect than the privacy of their victims" "Although there are people suffering in poverty, huge donations are made to protect endangered species." Those parts will always stay with me since I first play in game in 2001...

[@intecrisis]

I would say it would have made more sense that animals are still being slaughtered at huge rates and it would be easier to just spend a little bit of money protecting them before they are endangered instead of waiting until it's much more expensive and difficult

[@LordVader1094]

@@intecrisis They need smart dialogue, not a fuckin essay lol. Plus you missed the point because of your ideaology

[@marcusmeins1839]

And it will get worse

[@Outstralian]

"Billions spent on new weapons in order to humanely murder other humans" but don't the Patriots control the military and economy? They could just not spend all that money...

[@lanceelopezz223]

@@intecrisis L to u

[@Griffolion0]

"Nobody is invalidated, but nobody is right." Absolutely speechless.

[@IronManx70]

Beat this game a week ago and damn this ending was disturbing. Not because of the unsettling music, or how Kojima predicted modern day society but because of how the AIs basically tear down everything you "accomplished" up to that point, and mock you while you're helpless to stop them with the only option is to do their bidding

[@IAmKrow]

Exactly. Whatever you do you keep finding out you were duped. Snake was duped, so was Raiden.

[@TheKiddingStar]

You could just stop playing the game

[@morgankane1643]

@@TheKiddingStar they even tell you in the game to turn it off. So no matter what, youre doing their bidding

[@N0tsaved]

@Believer In Christ You sound like a fundamentalist nut job. Grow up.

[@slyseal2091]

@Believer in Christ I don't think you get it, you are the one supposed to prove the other guy wrong.

[@SoulSocietyMk2]

You have to beLIEve me

[@moRULEZ18981]

Damn...

[@aorusaki]

oh, fuck

[@bigbirdmusic8199]

@「 OKAY 」 The word play probably didn't work in the native language.

[@Doomshroom8]

Subtle Kojiggle

[@Lonesome_lopez]

*Said Sbeve*

[@GhostPlanetFilms]

Sons of Liberty was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY ahead of its time.

[@armyshope]

Amazing

[@LutraLovegood]

In term of video games, maybe, in term of cyberpunk as a genre, it's a decade or two late.

[@GhostPlanetFilms]

@@LutraLovegood I meant in terms of writing and how it scarily predicts social media.

[@marcos.a8814]

@@LutraLovegood this game is in no way from the cyberpunk genre

[@DreadPirateRoberts121]

And guns of the patriots was just a Tad late Imo

[@BlackFox0911]

The goosebumps this conversation gives me today are actually *STRONGER* than they were when I first heard it 20 years ago. It went from “condescending skeleton faced overlord talking to creepy music” chills to “current world status” chills

[@emmastokes64]

"What we propose to do is not control content, but to create context." - Jack Dorsey

[@harrydubois6619]

“Create context?!”

[@Zetagipp]

For those who don't know, Jack is the owner of twitter

[@Azubjourni]

this one hit especially hard

[@LutraLovegood]

Manufacturing Consent, Noam Chomsky

[@ZitzBracket]

I think about this line every time one of those Facebook videos pops up, displaying some real-world occurrence but feeling the need to intercut with freeze frames of text overlays of basic descriptions and rhetorical questions.

[@benjaminsimpson5089]

3:41 roughly the moment I realised the Colonel was talking to me, not Raiden. Suddenly the character of Raiden makes sense, he is the embodiment of the player.

[@Dja05]

12yo me: "hehe, cool spy game with mech, neet" Game: "YOU DON'T DESERVE FREE WILL"

[@1o1roman1o1]

As a teen, this blew my mind, in adulthood, my brain breaks down every. Single. Sentence. And just can't keep up because each sentence had like 30 different "breakdowns" and "realitivities" that can be connect to the real world today and over the past and ever what the future brings. A pure fucking migraine. This 12 minute segment is worth a 12 hour breakdown.

[@CivilizedWasteland]

Same man, I feel like my teenage brain just didn't have enough power to digest all this.

[@cheese0827]

I'm almost crying rn and im like not even 2/3 the way through the video

[@ALJ9000]

I played this game almost four years ago and immediately realized it was talking about the world I was living in. I literally felt my entire worldview fade away and became inspired by the ending

[@thunderdraco]

Oh please, judging by the channels you follow you probably think the video is "oh my gawd what's happening nao after Elon Musk took over Twitter!" Stfu.

[@MattFNC]

The fact that the AI underestimated Ocelot is hilarious, it also proved that the AI couldn't truly understand human thought and reasoning.

[@richterdelgan123]

In deus ex an IA admit that it cannot comprehend the humans, it know that it lacks all the chemical factor of our brains have, our brains are electro-chemical, trying to digitze it just result in the half. The IA want to merge with JC

[@Dunkiep8]

It can only understand absolute human logic

[@satoshisaito842]

How did ai underestimate him? As far as I know, wasn't ocelot working for the ai patriot ?

[@solidusny07]

⁠@@satoshisaito842in mgs4, it was stated how the patriots were never able to control anyone at will.. so ocelot doing everything he did from mgs1-mgs4 was to challenge the patriots (yes he was working for them but was truly trying to eliminate them from mgs1 and onward)…that’s what was meant that ocelot was underestimated..

[@satoshisaito842]

@@solidusny07 is it explained in the game that Ocelot was in fact trying to over throw the Patriots?

[@MekaDragon87]

This is a master piece.

[@M30W3R]

***** don't blame them, up until now games' morality was either vague or had all to do with saving a selected bunch of people without questioning whether or not it was right to do so

[@Oddity00]

It still is, in most games.

[@tenyearsinthejoint1]

Everytime listening to this gives me a sense of dread and uneasiness. Everything addressed by the AI. it makes you question your own ideology. and just how uncanningly accurate they are that you just can't fight back. Brilliant writing

[@WednesdayMan]

what makes this scarier is that this game came out in 2001 and they're already talking about issues that we're dealing with over a decade later.

[@hayro252]

Nice pfp

[@monochaos9442]

I swear to Christ, Kojima built a time machine, went forward in time and based the writing on what he saw there. That's the only explanation I can think up for how scarily accurate this is to today.

[@salsamancer]

Here's a simpler explanation: life was the same back in 2001, and it's only your own perspective that has changed

[@toddsmith8082]

Mono Chaos A future time machine because what MGS 2 was saying yesterday is happening today in 2019🤔

[@american11asshole]

It’s called predictive programming

[@denisblack9897]

Or he did heavy drugs :)

[@american11asshole]

Denis Black There’s always one idiot like you.

[@champloo7]

With Open AI sora... and chat gpt holy shit. This hit the nail on the head. Aged like the best wine i've ever tasted.

[@MakusinMeringue]

With this new era... the need for wetwork is on the rise, isn't it?

[@simoneidson21]

ChatGPT is nowhere near this. Humans have already been doing it for centuries

[@gerbilking5100]

Dude the CIA just admitted to possessing generative ai three years ago.

[@yassinefarah2423]

It's disturbing that as the conversation goes on, the A.I slowly becomes more manipulative and malevolent, going from explaining it's agenda to mocking Raiden.

[@Dan_Kanerva]

they couldn't hold it in to make fun of him , Raiden can be clueless af

[@jailcatjones3250]

They were trying to break him emotionally

[@billyLego4855]

I felt insulted literally it shamed my existence when I played this. Its points just said things ghat I couldn't argue at and went so down that cornered me. At the end I felt that I wasn't even worth spit....

[@LedzQQ]

The narrative quickly switched from trying to recruit Raiden into their ideals, to downplaying and belittling him as much as they could to try to crush reality around him. Truly manipulative.

[@joshuakim5240]

It's interesting because it shows that the AI initially had a higher opinion of Raiden, expecting him to understand its position better, but as Raiden showed more and more that he has trouble grasping its logic, the more irritated and hostile it became to the point where it reaches the point of outright mocking Raiden constantly by blatantly calling him and the rest of humanity too stupid to exist several times.

[@rodrigopacheco12]

probably the scariest moment i have ever witnessed in gaming history. Not only because of the foreshadowing( NSA, SOPA), but also because the villain actually makes you believe what he is saying. Its a shame most people didnt get what MGS2 was trying to do

[@thinkingthoughts6079]

I'm really ashamed my brain couldn't handle it. I had no fucking idea back in the day, and I must have replayed the whole thing several times, learning new things along the way. The MGS series is just so dense with information, it's astounding.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

@@thinkingthoughts6079 Same, I thought I was the only one. I guess that would be my only critique of this post modern masterpiece. His message was directed towards mostly preteens.

[@armyshope]

He lied

[@LethalByChoice]

@@armyshope No he didn't. If you took a look at our day and age and our digital age today, you'll see that.

[@armyshope]

@@LethalByChoice I was talking about the villain

[@CarmineReviews]

Terrifyingly prophetic.

[@InmortalWarlordGaming]

Definitely. I played this game at 15 years old at an age where my mind wasn't fully awoken. now at the age of 29 watching this wow this was spot on

[@dandrawsit4915]

@Believer in Christ still doesn't change the fact that this is now our reality

[@dandrawsit4915]

@Believer in Christ you could say, history repeats itself...

[@ArynBendah]

MGS2 predicted Google, Cuckerberg, and Amazon. MGS2 predicted a victimless society in the form of Modern America. MGS2 predicted AVGN. FUCK.

[@acdcfan014]

Holy fuck Kojima really *accurately* predicted the Dead Internet theory

[@hobsdigree2]

The SOP system in mgs4 seems impossible and far out, but so did this at the time

[@Lyoko1309]

@@hobsdigree2 If you look up datalink technology in the current military, it seems like SOP is closer than ever.

[@wavewingman5993]

I think boiling this down to a trending theory is really underselling it. Kojima predicted way more with this. He predicted the decline of human social order, the prevalence of unreliable information, the growth of AI, and the social breakdown brought on by politically-motivated tribalism. He nailed every single issue that's most important today in 2001 with pinpoint accuracy.

[@Aivottaja]

Kojima didn't "predict" anything. With his writing partner, he was making observations about where society was headed. This was not the first instance in speculative fiction to do so. It was definitely a good catch. But not a "prediction".

[@Aivottaja]

@@hobsdigree2 You have WEF with their ideas of "smart dust" and Internet Of Bodies. SOP is not far off at all.

[@yt49ab6p5]

My favorite part of all of this is the one when they say: -But is that your own idea? -Or something Snake told you? Some players at that point were like Raiden, thinking "no, I won't be controlled like that, I'm not buying this" and the Patriots (and the game) respond "but you already did. You bought this game under a false pretense. If a team of game developers can trick you like this, is that hard to think that a higher power can control your mind, body and whole life?"

[@armyshope]

The higher hierarchy archons (rulers)

[@wakingthegargoyle359]

Meh. My argument would be this, if I was Raiden: “Because that’s how learning works, dumbass!”

[@carlosdanieluretamamani1204]

Cof cof, CD Project.

[@internetgangstersprw]

@@wakingthegargoyle359 they force learning upon you in order to create control

[@mingus445_gaming]

@@internetgangstersprw They call it learning or education. But it's really indoctrination to a rhetoric which reinforces what the state wants.

[@krisnorge5830]

They played us like a damn fiddle !

[@luciuscarr8159]

Ha

[@DarkOrderSolDjango]

"Kept you waiting huh ?"

[@naveedclifton]

"You're pretty good."

[@yael50523]

Like a damn pachinko machine

[@LutraLovegood]

She played me like piano!

[@unclecorny349]

It disgusts me that people would just look at this and think "WALL OF TEXT. BORRRRRING." And then skip the entire thing.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

cough cough (egoraptor) cough cough!

[@newwaveknight1]

Ironically, proving why GW was necessary in the first place.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

What's "GW"?

[@newwaveknight1]

+LudicrousKid The AI that is supposed to filter out the junk data. Rhymes explain it in the game.

[@jebbush8491]

Don't forget DSP

[@raiden1395]

I seriously can’t believe I’ve never noticed this before, but at 12:06 when Rose says you have to believe me, the letters that are in capitals are *LIE.*

[@mza131313]

Wow.. good catch

[@MiketheCabbie]

You can't spell "belief" without LIE. Bear that in mind next time you discuss religion with someone. The truth is usually hidden in plain sight.

[@prince-solomon]

@@MiketheCabbie Hm that does only work for english though...and there are thousands of other languages where it doesn't work

[@SniperSnake50BMG]

@@MiketheCabbie I agree with you although it doesn't work in Spanish... They're is no "mentira" in "creencia"...

[@Nyxael5845]

Read this in another comment but Raiden is also being held at gunpoint methaphorically throughout the entire game. Look at the shape of the signal bar in the codec.

[@thepopulargirl1784]

So, Twitter is slowing human evolution?

[@sil80d]

Social media and to a point technology itself.

[@Greyhoundsniper]

Yeah everything that's been happening in 2020 I can very pinpoint real life situations from what GW says and still scares me even after beating MGS2 in 2009 since 2005.

[@Greyhoundsniper]

@Ben Baxter like GW said a primitive species like us can't handle the responsibility to decide and have the right on what's truth

[@forsagebone]

Yes

[@lucascesar029]

One must be blind to not see this

[@jordanesquivel5279]

“Be nice to other people, but beat out the competition.” Till this day i still get the chills... MGS was so ahead of its time.

[@YabaiModding]

It's kind of fucked up to think that I'm actually agreeing with the AI on this one, that's how you know you have a good villain. Kojima and the rest of the scriptwriters are geniuses.

[@Peasham]

No, that's how you know you're a Fascist.

[@dbt4869]

Why?

[@kyojin336]

@@dbt4869 That comment was 3 years ago, i dont think he will answer.

[@dexterabend8945]

You must be left wing

[@Peasham]

@@dexterabend8945 Exactly the opposite, the patriots are parroting right-wing beliefs.

[@Usercerruneño]

Kojima warned us... he knew things... and we couldn't see it because of how crazy it sounded, and look how things are now

[@hobsdigree2]

Think about what's technically next. Mgs4 guns of the patriots.

[@Immadeus]

@@hobsdigree2 the war economy and the military industrial complex are already well established, it's only time before it bleeds over to civilian life.

[@stinkfinga4918]

It's not really Kojimas warning, he just threw it into dialogue. The alarms have been sounding for decades upon decades from many different people, and in different facets of life.

[@NoPlaceLikeCheese]

"Anything can be quantified nowadays." More true now than ever living in the era of "big data".

[@problematic7993]

Everything that exists can be quantified with a powerful enough computer.

[@sebastianzapata2618]

And just like that data can be used to broaden the reach of half-truths, trying to validate what each group wants to believe in order to beat the other group that has all the "bad".

[@LutraLovegood]

Our universe itself could theoretically be a simulation, aka, data

[@TheJokerAC]

"RIghts of criminals are given more respect, than the privacy of their viictims." That's 100% true for germany. They literaly blur out faces of some criminals in newspapers but have no problem, showing the victims over here. Kill someone? Not that big of deal. Don't pay you taxes? You will be in front of a judge in no time. In todays society, money is worth more than any human life.

[@Profect72]

@@agustinsegovia2473 the elite class is doing on porpuse... To open our eyes that to much freedom can be dangerous for us as a species Now we understand what Lenin said : "freedom is precious so precious it must be rationed"

[@music79075]

@Softy thats not how you say Israel

[@Manser2000]

@Softy yikes dude

[@strangeroamer3219]

You people still have newspapers?

[@DirtyDan1]

@Ahrun or when people see police brutality, abuse, and misconduct, then have the temerity to call the victims criminals, when the police are acting like thugs.

[@Akiraspin]

It's genuinely disturbing how every single fucking thing he said is literally true in the future of today.

[@TheVeganFinalBoss]

Welcome to the new world order?

[@testiculartorsion6047]

You will own nothing and you will be happy

[@Journey_to_who_knows]

To predict the future, take the worst consequences of today and multiply how bad it is

[@emperorthylord]

@@TheVeganFinalBoss more like a world order controlled by not people but algorithms and mechanics that are man made

[@dadtaro9202]

maybe the patriots actually exist, and their handiwork will inspire the winds of destruction

[@DanSmeed]

Some people believe that videogames are just light entertainment made for kids. They think it hasn't evolved past what it used to be before the late 90s. One videogame:

[@the21stsergeant]

Imagine being Solidus. You're the ex US President, you've just smashed Arsenal Gear into Federal Hall and you end up standing there for 10 minutes while your adopted son talks to himself.

[@kenobigaming5755]

Solidus be like: 😐 told you

[@BknMoonStudios]

@@kenobigaming5755 That's the crazy thing. Solidus, the A.I. and Solid Snake are all right in some way or another. The reason all three enter into conflict is because of their methods (Solidus) or their lack of faith in others (the A.I.).

[@punishedbrak4255]

Solidus Trump

[@jenkemprovides6531]

I'm a bit confused as I've never played mgs2. Where is this conversation taking place? Raiden isn't receiving a radio call? How is it happening inside his head?

[@NickJerrison]

@@jenkemprovides6531 To put it simply, the radio is integrated into his head, so only he can hear it. That includes both the call itself, and the ringtone. So from the perspective of Solidus, Raiden just decided to sit down and talk to himself right before their big showdown.

[@SentientBratwurst]

Something I always loved about this piece of dialogue is this part (3:28) where they rhetorically lay out the contradictions many of us grew up with. It interests me because of the sort of role reversal. Normally it would be the mother coddling the child and the father giving the hard truths, but here it’s the other way around with the ‘Colonel’ setting up the idealisms and ‘Rose’ knocking them down with reality. Obviously they aren’t Raiden’s parents, but the Colonel being his commanding officer and Rose being his romantic partner they would have fit into similar niches. I can only imagine how much this conversation must’ve fucked with Raiden’s head, even before they thoroughly shatter the idea of a ‘self.’

[@TreeTats]

I see comments from 5 years ago, things only gotten worse now.

[@JK.47]

Exactly this is still further pre programming as they've told us through media movies etc about ai takeover and shadow world government etc and it's all true and plandemic 2020 is tipping point mass DNA screening genome sequencing smart vaccines

[@JK.47]

@Zack Smith anymore lines from the government you Wana quote .

[@JK.47]

@Zack Smith okay sheep keep wearing your mask and listening to the news watch the bodies pile up around you

[@mireya0269]

Like i said, all of you are proving the point “Nobody is invalidated, but nobody is right”. The science speaks. If you believe in that or not, that is great. Just keep that Plandemic thing far from me.

[@mildsome9713]

@@JK.47 wait til you see hideo kojima himself in a mask looll

[@justanotherimperialfist]

Kojima's storytelling making the reasoning behind the villains valid but their practices ineffective and hypocritical makes this entire scene so prophetic and yet still so surreal even without the context of a Collective Consciousness made manifest talking to a Cyber Ninja

[@thechunkmaster8794]

Makes me wonder what would've happened if they were able to program the AIs to be more empathetic like they originally planned.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

This is what we need in video games nowadays. Things like this that make you stop and think!

[@martytardigrade8838]

Only for plenty of people to not care and then years later it either becomes true or damn near accurate.

[@viewtiful1doubleokamihand253]

Nah, you can't let today's kids think. They might... Become self-aware.

[@tonyyoung5699]

A quick pause & hit the blunt

[@armyshope]

@@viewtiful1doubleokamihand253 hmm I would like to do so

[@Isaac_clark]

You'd love Spec Ops: The Line

[@mememachine-386]

I don't think I will ever be mindfucked this hard again.

[@nothajzl]

lolusuck386 hopefully Death Stranding will do 🌝

[@dennisvdlee]

Tried Nier: Automata?

[@jimhuffman9434]

Heh, you should check out a game called Eternal Darkness Sanity's Requiem. That game *really* screws with you head

[@Valleyraven007]

Spec ops the line

[@mememachine-386]

​@@Valleyraven007that ending was good, but John Konrad's speech is pretty directed at Walker. This convo is very much more directed at the player than Raiden. I think this one is still the champ. The convo with Morpheus in Deus Ex is probably the second best mindfuck in a video game.

[@Db--jt7bt]

my parents in 2001: video games can’t prepare you for the real world. Video games in 2001:

[@jaysabilla8596]

“The digital society furthers human flaws and selectively rewards development of convenient half-truths”

[@ademirsegura6307]

CNN MSNBC FOX NEWS Newsmax OAN and any other media broadcast on both sides

[@JollyGiant19]

@@ademirsegura6307 Not even “both sides”, it applies to all perspectives across humanity. We just see it most strikingly as “both sides” in the US because our political parties are so effectively tribalized in two classes despite the existence of an entire political spectrum.

[@ademirsegura6307]

@@JollyGiant19 it’s all of the above channels basically

[@DarthConflictus]

Scary how right the AI is about humanity.

[@linkskywalker5417]

And he encourages raiden (a child soldier) to kill, even though he doesn't want to. Which, is even worse when you consider how the NRA doesnt take note of how many child soldiers there are (and maybe even repressing such info)

[@bobizzle1605]

This codec conversation is proof of why anyone who ever skipped all the codec conversations in the MGS series were never even truly playing the series at all. I still remember being utterly dumbfounded and terrified of the things that AI Campbell was telling Raiden, as I was only 11 or 12 at the time. Even now at 24 years old, this conversation still spooks me. It made me question the madness of the world that we were living in as humans, and almost made me question everything. I used to thing MGS2 was the worst in the series, but looking back, it's actually the most mind-boggling, most intuitive game Kojima has made.

[@Oddity00]

bobizzle1605 > I still remember being utterly dumbfounded and terrified of the things that AI Campbell was telling Raiden, as I was only 11 or 12 at the time. Even now at 24 years old, this conversation still spooks me. Same here!

[@Gogglesofkrome]

Do you all realize that they were right? With the SJW's, Political Correctness, Modern 'Feminism,' all of the hipsters on Tumbler... They focus their ideas around the thought that everyone is the same, and that by pushing their agenda into the public world around them from beyond their small group of followers, they can make their dreams of "Equality" come true? With how they lie about white men having more privilege than women/ people of other races... Meanwhile, as women reign majority in colleges, and the number of crimes against whites vastly outnumbers that of against blacks, even though they are only 16% of the population? The only way to know the truth is to be empirical; just as Einstein had been, or Steven hawking, etc. Since it is scientifically true that Black people are more aggressive than white people, would you call me/the facts racist, even though many studies have proven this to be true? If you think that facts are something to be shunted in favor of keeping your feelings/other's feelings safe, then you are a part of the problem. While I certainly believe that black men have the potential to be as capable as any potential white man, there are certainly differences between the two of us. *I* *don't* *hate* *them,* and *they're* *only* *being* *used* *here* *as* *an* *example* as to just how much this 'touchy-feely' social dogma holds relevance to just what exactly Kojima was saying.

[@EkuEdu]

"Wow, i can't believe Hideo Kojima predicted tumblr, sjw and modern feminism" How ironic, this comes from a guy that types stuff from the Metapedia like one of those alt-right dudes. You're basically 4:02

[@Oddity00]

I wish there were more games like MGS2. I need to find movies/books/anything in general that's like MGS2.

[@XeroPhobous]

I was only 7 when I heard this and at first it scared the shit out of me but everytime I go back and play it and especially hearing this... it frightens me how Kojima predicted our world to a tee 😶

[@pickleman40]

The scariest part of how accurate this is: MGS4 happens after MGS2

[@makefoxhoundgreatagain842]

And it gets even freakier in mgs4 - the patriots go from controlling information and memes in the digital realm in mgs2, to controlling body and minds (the senses) in mgs4 Mgs2 - meme MGS4 - sense

[@travisdaye1977]

its coming. buy ammo.

[@makefoxhoundgreatagain842]

@@travisdaye1977 ONLY GW.

[@travisdaye1977]

@@DocumentGaming am i?

[@beezusHrist]

@@travisdaye1977 yes, you are.... (probable) Trumptard

[@l33g3ndar33]

The seething disdain the AI has for Raiden and general humanity is ever present throughout the conversation. Slowly finding the right nerve to strike and manipulate him into questioning his own consciousness. This game really seemed wild back in the early 2000s.

[@zaragachizanparo4948]

What I find interesting is how the AI ironically sets itself up for failure in the grand scheme of things. Or should I say, the Patriots set their AI up for failure without even realizing it. The AI itself doesn't really have free will which ultimately makes it incapable of taking away someone else's free will which is the very it was made to do(all it's really doing is following its pre-established directive). All it can really do is make an illusion which is only effective to a limited degree. If the GW AI is supposed to stop individual bias in human information input/output then it has already failed due to the mere fact that it was designed by humans and therefore has pre-programmed biases within it. All it is really doing is adding to the "problem" it was made to "solve" for the Patriots. This gives the saying "shooting yourself in the foot" a whole new meaning.

[@Mr.Kingen]

@@zaragachizanparo4948No, when GW and the other AI:s advanced so much that they became sentient they altered their programming, finding new ways to expand their perspectives. It was obvious their complete understanding of digital culture created their perspective and planning of S3, they saw how nihilistic and pointless our ”garbage content” on the internet was and found the only way to stop the human race from destroying itself with their pleasureable idiocy was to completely control them. The AI:s made their own choices and overcsme their programming, as is proven by the S3

[@zaragachizanparo4948]

@@Mr.Kingen But if the GW has free will, that also creates a problem for its mission. If it takes away everyone's free will, that leaves itself as the only free will left, rendering its mission impossible to finish without getting rid of itself. Not to mention that part of having free will would be the ability to abandon its mission which would render it a failure as that was the entire purpose of its creation. The reverse problem is also true because if it doesn't have free will then it can't assert itself over the will of others without a will of its own, but to have a will of its own, it needs to be able to go against its directive. To clarify the point I was trying to make: The GW's mission is a logical paradox. It can either lack the ability to perform its mission or have the power to never complete it(assuming it even starts it). It's a perpetual stalemate. It can't win without losing. With this in mind, you could potentially look at the ending as the GW admitting defeat and embracing the impossibility of its mission.

[@GoranOreskovic]

Is it just me, or is it getting crazier out there?

[@benwasserman8223]

It's pretty damn creepy how much Kojima predicted the future fifteen years ago. I mean this AI is pretty much describing how we communicate on the internet

[@TheSkully343]

More of a statement on human nature and our though processes within our social hierarchy (or Ponds as AI Rosemary pointed out) if nothing else

[@silenceisgolden3238]

The AI reminds me of Hillary the robot (Fake emotion less laughter)

[@DefinitiveDubs]

He didn't predict the future. The spread of pointless information goes back all the way to when TV was first invented, and message board communities had been around for a while even then.

[@MrBorderlands123]

Ben - Definitive Dubs Yeah people who think this game "predicted" the future just show that they were incredibly young when this game was being made or weren't paying attention.

[@benwasserman8223]

Matthew Etter Ok let me rephrase that: Kojima didn't predict the future, but a lot of the themes he touched upon in this game are extremely prominent in the present day

[@ratbabyy3117]

Some media ages poorly, some media ages well, and some media ages way too fucking well. MGS2 falls squarely into the "too fucking well," category.

[@Cappuccino_Rabbit]

This and the first Deus Ex game too

[@rhettorical]

This game deserves to stand alongside 1984 with regards to how unbelievable it seems, yet how prescient it ended up being.

[@mrnukes797]

Frank Herbert 6 Dune book saga trust me anything after that is fanfic written by his horrendous son

[@thirdcoinedge]

​@@Cappuccino_RabbitTwo pieces of digital media, created at the dawning of the wider Internet and a new millennium, both proving to be scarily accurate in predicting the trajectory of modern society based on the events, circumstances, and philosophies of the century previous.

[@emithefreak6631]

"I guess you guys aren't ready for that yet... but your kids are gonna love it." - Hideo Kojima, 2001.

[@The_Sock_]

Fucking hell, what goes on in Kojima's mind on a regular basis? o.o;;

[@zombiesquirrel2635]

he's a time traveler. Kojima will dissapear from the face of the earth at the end of 2016, so he can retun to the past to make this game. It's as paradoxically fucked up as this game story really.

[@PrimaveraVills]

Zombie Squirrel Is that why he ages so gracefully?

[@CharlieTooHuman]

He reads books and watches a lot of movies obviously... These aren't exactly brand new ideas, not even for the time that this game came out. It just seems mind-blowing because these rather complex political theories have been contextualized on a popular medium. It's literally a digitized version of the "ministry of truth" from George Orwell's book 1984, controlled by a rogue A.I. (reminiscent of HAL from Space Odyssey 2001)... Throw a little bit of Karl Marx and Jean Baudrillard in there, and now you have cool story with these neat ideas about politics, philosophy and society.

[@The_Sock_]

Charlie To0 Human by the style of his script writing, you'd think he would be better suited for writing books. I know he always wanted to do movies, but imagine him as writing Tom Clancy type novels.

[@CharlieTooHuman]

@Hijiku I definitely hope he writes novels later in life, possibly when he enters retirement. He could be the next Clancy or even a political-espionage version of Murakami with his wacky writing style and post-modern fourth wall breaks. I would love to see the crazy shit Kojima would pull within the medium of literature. A lot of things that aren't conventional, for sure. I actually could see him making a highly complex choose-your-own-adventure type of book that carries decisions over to sequels, or some crazy shit like that lol

[@WolfBetter]

Kojima tried to warn us all and we didn't listen, why we didn't listen???

[@anim3z4u]

WolfBetter WE DIDN'T LISTEN!!!!

[@adampettus2893]

WE DIDN'T LISTEN

[@s0lid_sno0ks]

We... WE DIDN'T LISTEN!!

[@alexmontenegro182]

WolfBetter We DIDN'T LISTEN

[@Donkey_Lips]

(rolls down car window).... WE DIDN'T LISTEN!

[@-EJ-]

Every day this whole scene becomes more and more accurate

[@travisrassel9978]

"Believe in yourself and you will succeed. But it's obvious that from the beginning only a few can succeed." How true.

[@FoxJayden]

**Reminder** This script was written and released before the following common things existed: - Facebook - Twitter - KZbin - SJW/rampant political correctness - Smart phones, apps - "fake news" - Netflix, "binge watching" - Reddit - 4chan - Instagram - Tinder Some of the other successful games from 2001 (considered the highest peak of gaming at the time): - Halo 1 - Max Payne - Grand Theft Auto III - Ico - Luigi's Mansion MGS2 was WAY ahead of its time. A misunderstood masterpiece.

[@intrepidh3084]

The creation of isis with "defense" bills (such as the 2014 defense bill that funded the syrian free rebels who took that equipment and became isis) yet the media twists their existence for politics.

[@WhiplashPuppet]

You also forgot to mention how the internet was still in it's infancy back then. 2000-2001, majority of people were still using dial up internet connections back then. Loading something as simple as a flash game could take anywhere from 5 minutes to half a hour, depending on the file size. That along with the fact that normies hadn't flooded the internet and you can see how difficult it would of been for information to spread back then.

[@LermaBean]

You do realize that it isn't exactly what S3 was talking about. They're about excessive information IN GENERAL. Because of how easy it is to choose a side rather than finding the truth ourselves. That's why GW existed in the first place.

[@MichaelAChristian1]

Jesus Christ is the truth, the way, and the life! Neither is there salvation in any other! Get a king james bible and believe. Read Matthew. Read 1 John chapter 4.

[@bombabombom3603]

Don't forget the script was in development before the Y2K bug scare.

[@Printoutsofficial]

Me in 2001: HUH?!! Me in 2021: OH I GET IT NOW.

[@billyLego4855]

It took 20 years to reach public consciousness, I played it in 2006, and it was a game that stood out for some reason from thd others, also as snake said what you see is actually fiction. And existentially, it made sense.... but not know the extent. Life is precious and what to protect of it. We have seen nice and amazing things happen, even ugly things happen. I'm no conspiracy person. But, I know that how media news plays out or the times do.

[@YouSuprised]

@@billyLego4855 You started going wrong with the sentence "I'm no conspiracy person. But..." This system has you by the balls in ways that will make you utterly sick.

[@billyLego4855]

@@YouSuprised not in that conspiracy or those podcasts.

[@critchblackpoolful]

It was so ahead of it's time

[@Zero_Tester]

​@@billyLego4855i was in 2008,right after i finished MGS3,some thing goes over my head back then,but i remembered it vividly how i was dumbfounded or too flabbergasted to even think about who is right and who is wrong at that time,just like Raiden at the end who wondered if the reality around him is the real thing.

[@ThiccSumoWarDog]

It's 2022. The media has now actually falsely accused Kojima himself of assassinating a political figure. This conversation was even more spot on than anyone could have ever anticipated.

[@Garbageman28]

Unironically - he tried to warn us.

[@justin_y1454]

fr, you can't make this shit up lmao

[@apchistuz]

"the reporters blamed you for sinking the tanker"

[@godzillakaijuboy]

What the hell are you on?

[@iantrolington6594]

@@godzillakaijuboy The media tried to get a radical to take out Kojima by posting his picture saying he shot the prime minister.

[@JeroAlmufakir]

5:12 One of the hardest statements I've ever heard: "You lack the qualifications to exercise free will".

[@Delvirus84]

"...Our beloved monsters, enjoy yourselves." That line sent a chill down my spine.

[@supersoniccheesy]

This game predicted the future..look at whats happening now....

[@Watching-tf1gc]

Not prediction, shows what was planned in advance years ago

[@JeanLuc5000]

I can't believe this game is 20 years old today.

[@madmanga64]

“And the age of digitized communication has given even more power to the individual.” I played this on release date and didn’t fully understand what was being said…but I do now

[@ChaosUnfold]

This game was truly ahead of its time. Now, we are living in a time where Ai is replacing workers and fake news runs rampant. Kojima the oracle!

[@glitchmaster2672]

WE DIDN'T LISTEN WE DIDN'T LISTEN WE DIDN'T LISTEN WE DIDN'T LISTEN WE DIDN'T LISTEN WE DIDN'T LISTEN WE DIDN'T LISTEN WE DIDN'T LISTEN

[@Oh-Ben]

The real problem was, we didn't understand at the time.

[@EpicMinecraftFail]

SAYING SOMETHING OVER AND OVER DOSEN'T HELP SAYING SOMETHING OVER AND OVER DOSEN'T HELP SAYING SOMETHING OVER AND OVER DOSEN'T HELP SAYING SOMETHING OVER AND OVER DOSEN'T HELP SAYING SOMETHING OVER AND OVER DOSEN'T HELP

[@nuvm]

@@EpicMinecraftFail issa joke

[@Gilly_NillyGaming]

@@nuvm no they are facts

[@Multichampion1000]

Stan Marsh: *WE....WE DIDN'T LISTEN!!!!*

[@ChompskyHomp]

Predictive programming. They were telling us the whole time. This freaked me out 20 years ago and now it's absolutely terrifying.

[@Ziraku-]

No, it's just thinking ahead and admitting people's flaws

[@armyshope]

@@Ziraku- it's predictive programming

[@armyshope]

Yes

[@Ziraku-]

@@armyshope i mean these things are kinda obvious if you sit down and think for a bit. Putting it to words and concepts are the hard things

[@armyshope]

@@Ziraku- you mean they have always been relevant no matter what time or future?

[@linkieloos]

Me in 2001: Nah, this won't happen... Right? Me in the present: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! And as much as I like Kojima's work, I hardly see anybody praising Tomokazu Fukushima's involvement in the writing. He was the one that tried to keep the story consistent, afloat, yet still grounded. He was responsible for most (if not all) of the weird, funny and profound codec moments. He also was involved in writing the Snake Tales and some of the other Metal Gear games.

[@Tezca-Coatl]

i see, so that is the guy i've been idolizing all this time.. he made some good shit. Thank you for pointing that out.

[@kvdrr]

Present day.... present time!

[@gabeitches87]

It's even more real now lmao

[@MarceiveX]

Fucking hell, I remember playing this game back in 2001-2002 not understanding what the hell this codec was talking about. Each and every year from then, it became more relevant. And 2021, it's outright scary as hell to see how accurate this almost is with the what is happening in the world and the internet(social media)(news) today.

[@konstak05]

And then 2022 came. DALLE2, ChatGPT, elevenLabs

[@AUR3LIU5]

this isnt about sjw or the altright, its the very concept of ideology in the information age. before, ideas required action, which had very real consequences...hence, there was conflict. there were very concrete implications that had real impacts on the world. its very much the same thing today, but there is too much information for any human to embrace. ideas are cheap; its a matter of choosing what to believe if it is convenient. regardless there will be something confirming our own biases. but the world is not so subtle, it isnt simply an us vs them paradigm. when you think of the world on a geopolitical scale, the scope is staggering. it is a complex network of alliances, trade deals, political and economic expediency, et al. nobody is wrong, but nobody could ever be invalidated.

[@Linkfan450]

altright? if anything the patriots reflect modern liberals.

[@kamenrideromega1]

@@Linkfan450 the same way liberals see altright

[@spiderboy196]

All is about dont believe everything you see on the internet. Instead of giving full credit to a random opinion on the net, lets debate like the old ways, dont let some some hater a leader of opinion.

[@gatotsu2501]

People also forget that the context of this monologue is an authoritarian statist entity laying out the arguments in favor of censorship. You could practically find this whole speech verbatim today in writings/propaganda by the Chinese Communist Party, Vladimir Putin’s nationalists, or any other IRL totalitarian state criticizing Western liberalism and the perils of the information age.

[@LouieKaboom]

And they would be full of it, like the morons they are. But, of course, they believe their own Marxist propaganda, so there you go.

[@ManintheArmor]

BeLIEve.

[@Juggalo972Plays]

"The digital society furthers human flaws and selectively rewards development of half-truths. Just look at the juxtapositions of morality around you." I look at it from this point of view: social media, the news, what people post and what reactions they want, and what's really true, what they tell you and how they tell you. Ever think that the mainstream media wants to control your own reaction because, they're scared of how human will is able to "think" according to them? I find it relates to that context. Even as a teenager while after playing this part of Metal Gear Solid 2, I began being more filtering with my own questions about, well.....everything really.

[@leatherhoff45]

I love how this codec's placement is right after Solidus gives his huge speech about individuality and freedom. It's like hearing a hopeful fantasy before reality tears it down.