Lower Ball Joint Replacement Tutorial

[@Munkeez]

Timmy, I know this vid was posted 4.5 years ago at this point, but thank you so much for posting this!!

[@TimmyTheToolman]

You're very welcome Andrew. Thanks for taking the time to comment.

[@RoNBEE1]

@@TimmyTheToolman Hi Timmy, your videos are really amazing. I replaced my LBJ using your videos about 3000 miles ago. In your video you said Blue loctite is optional. I didn’t do loctite on my bolts, will it be fine? And for peace of mind, can I add loctite now? Or use new bolts with loctite?

[@TimmyTheToolman]

@@RoNBEE1 You'll be fine without the loctite. The loctite is just extra insurance. The Toyota factory service manual doesn't say it's necessary. If you torqued the bolts to the proper spec, they should not come loose. But, if it's going to keep you up at night, just remove them one at a time, put loctite on them, and re-torque them.

[@esgT-df9xb]

Hey Time, I swear I don’t know what we would do without you. I have a 1998 Toyota 4Runner and I’ve don’t everything myself buy watching your videos! I have one question what is the part number for the tie rod ball joint?

[@Patrick.Weightman]

One of the easiest repairs I've had to do yet. Was expecting it to be unnecessarily difficult, by the end I was double checking everything to make sure nothing was forgotten cause it went so much faster than expected - took a spin around the block and the wheels didn't fall off so I'll take that as a good sign! Thanks again Tim, very helpful

[@Bobnewengland]

Best video for this repair that I've seen

[@TimmyTheToolman]

+Robbie Connolly Thanks for the compliment. The goal my buddy Sean and I had before we started making videos together is we wanted to do a more complete job so people viewing one of our videos would be clear how to perform the job correctly without any guesswork. Because of this, our videos are a little longer than most but we figure people wouldn't mind the extra length if it meant they got a more complete idea of how to do the job.

[@Bobnewengland]

Its great, for someone just starting out I know full well I could complete this job. Good lighting, commentary, and info provided. Keep it up!

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

Agree

[@ken1727]

Thank you so much for these videos. Everyone has helped me do these projects just as you described down to the size socket needed and torque specs to go back together.

[@jeffreyhomer8509]

One bolt broke when removed balljoint

[@JnIII16]

Another outstanding Timmy video. Seriously, if it weren't for people like you on KZbin, I would never attempt to do these type of repairs on my own. Thank you!

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Thanks for the kind words. Reading comments like yours is great because we are accomplishing our goal of inspiring people to tackle their own automotive work. We believe with the Right Information, Right Tools and Right Level of Patience, anyone can be successful at turning wrenches. Channels like ours can provide you with the information and also give you suggestions on what tools to buy but you've got to buy them or rent them. The right tools for the job can make a job possible to accomplish or just a hell of a lot easier with less cursing involved. The right level of patience is something we can't really help you with other than suggesting when you run into hurdles and start getting frustrated, step away and take a break and come back to it later. Overcoming obstacles in automotive work is part of the process of being an accomplished mechanic. You're very welcome and Happy Wrenching!

[@yostuhfoo]

Just tackled this job today on my newly purchased 4Runner. I was going to take it to a shop until I got a couple quotes... after watching this video it gave me the confidence to do it myself. Thank you so much for making the detailed videos that you do. Great work and please keep it up!

[@frankiemaldonado3262]

Thanks we're doing a little information seeking on their own instead of listening and gulping down anybody tells us on the internet

[@dmapp899]

Hi Tim! after watching this video, i'm just going to go ahead and replace my LBJs. I have about 250,000+ miles on mine but all city/fwy miles. Thanks for the video! keep 'em coming!👍👍👍👍👍

[@jeffreyhomer8509]

He is the only one who show like is is

[@brad8940]

THANKS!!! Little back story my 18 year old son past away in a car accident last year. He loved off roading and going up in the mountains with his friends. I decided to get something to do exactly that in his honor. I ended up with a 99 4runner. I have a boat load of parts on the way and don't honestly think this DIY project would be possible without your videos. So, from a grieving father thank you sir from the bottom of my heart!! Much apperciated!

[@TimmyTheToolman]

@brad8940 Sorry for your loss. I think it's cool that you're honoring your son by fixing up a 3rd Gen and doing some 4wheeling. Have fun with it.

[@brucewayne2773]

Got 263k miles on my 4WD 4Runner. original LBJ still solid like new. Keep hearing horror stories about these. Mine is all stock, not modified. Even tires are Michelin all weather vs BFG Ko2. I guess it all depends on how your 4Runner has lived it's life.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

The LBJs can last a very long time especially if the rig doesn't go offroad.

[@brucewayne2773]

@@TimmyTheToolman I went ahead and ordered 2 new oem ones. Would make for good resale anyways. Crazy to think the consequences if failed while on the road. I don't think mine was taken off road very often. Typical California 4runner Thanks for great content in all of your videos

[@TimmyTheToolman]

@@brucewayne2773 Yeah, you did the smart thing. You're very welcome. Glad you like the videos Sean and I are making. Happy Wrenching!

[@rjemmetts]

Hey Timmy thanks for the video. Just performed this LBJ swap out on my 3rd gen 4runner. Socket sizes and part numbers were spot on. Also helped to rent a pitman puller as suggested. You're my Toyota hero! Keep up the good work

[@TimmyTheToolman]

You're very welcome. Glad the video helped you out. Hero status huh? Does that mean I have to wear a cape now? Happy Wrenching Brother!

[@MarkChouinardWP]

Huge thank you for all the effort and attention to detail you put into these videos, Tim (and Sean!). I replaced LBJs in my '96 SR5 today. The left side took an hour and I got the right side done in 30 minutes including stopping to take photos. I never would have attempted this or several other projects I have under my belt before I found your channel.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Hey Mark, great to hear our videos gave you the confidence to tackle jobs you otherwise wouldn't have done. With the right information, right tools and right level of patience, there's a whole lot you'll be able to accomplish in the DIY Automotive Mechanical World. Happy Wrenching!

[@eljefeslash]

Awesome video, dudes! This is from April 2016 but still timeless as I used it last wknd to replace the LBJ's on my 2004 Tacoma. And great update info on the part #'s for different years - my 2004 Taco is similar to the 2001-2002 T4R parts you mentioned (and, thus, the different torque specs you noted) (my LBJ's also have a rubber boot around them). My dad used to do some wrenching back when I was a kid, and he occasionally had me hand him tools (as well as hold the flashlight - scarred for life on that one - LOL). I had zero interest in wrenching back then, but fast forward many years, and thanks to your videos, I'm learning and enjoying it, and for this job, my dad was the one handing me tools and holding the flashlight (and he couldn't believe I was doing it). Thank you!

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Thanks for the compliment. We appreciate it. Great to hear our videos are inspiring you to turn wrenches on your rig. And, that's really cool you can do something like that with your dad. You're very welcome and Happy Wrenching!

[@ThePendragon1998]

Tim, I appreciate the time you took to make this video (and your other videos). I especially like your clear and precise narration and attention to detail. Your video is going to be a big help when I do my LBJs. Thanks!

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Thanks. My buddy Sean and I are trying to put out good videos for people to use because we've both benefited from others who have posted good repair videos or repair write-ups and we're just trying to pay it forward to other DIY mechanics like us. We're having fun doing it so we'll be making a lot more videos. Stay tuned!

[@plutosforest]

Do you think a Toyota dealer would sell recalled parts? There is a dealer selling them for 108 online. Seems awfully cheap for Toyota-made lbj's. *nevermind, I see you got yours for even cheaper!

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Yep, online pricing is way more affordable than getting parts at your local dealer.

[@plutosforest]

@@TimmyTheToolman right now they are all trending around $108-$120 plus shipping, I thought they were more expensive. You got a good deal back then.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

@@plutosforest Yeah, I've heard the prices have gone up.

[@tanneremery4134]

The stud on the joint keeps spinning when I try to tighten the castle nut. Anyway to prevent this?

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Get a jack underneath the lower control arm, apply some pressure on the control arm and it will put pressure on the stud and stop it from spinning so you can tighten the castle nut.

[@Paraglasses]

Hey tim. Quite an old video but very informational. I have a question regarding the lower ball joints. Is there any grease that needs to be applied to the lower ball joints when installing new OEM lower ball joints? A reply would be greatly appreciated as i cant seem to find an answer online regarding greasing new lower ball joints. Appreciate you!

[@TimmyTheToolman]

You don't need to add grease to OEM ball joints, and you actually can't because there is no grease zerk fitting so you could add grease. Some aftermarket balljoints have zerk fittings but OEM balljoints come pre-greased and are sealed.

[@Paraglasses]

@@TimmyTheToolman right on. I appreciate the quick reply and the videos. Your vids inspired my friends and I to purchase (my 4runner and their 2, 1st gen tacomas). Keep it up and thanks for being such a strong pillar in the 3rd gen 4runner community.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

@@Paraglasses My pleasure. It's great to know our channel inspired Toyota purchases for you and your buddies.

[@Paraglasses]

1 More question! What're your thoughts on replacing upper ball joints, is it as dire to replace as the lower ball joints? or am i good to keep rolling on oem upper ball joints? (just rolled over 170k miles)@@TimmyTheToolman

[@TimmyTheToolman]

@@Paraglasses I have 250k on the upper ball joints on my 2000 3rd Gen 4runner. If there's no play and the boots are intact, you're all good. UBJs are not notorious for failure like the LBJs are.

[@jordub]

Hey Timbo! Thank you so much for this video! I just finished my LBJ's on my 1999 Limited. It was so easy to follow along with your instructions. You the man! Subbed.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Glad you found the video helpful and thanks for taking the time to let us know you liked it.

[@richricks78]

Wow so helpful best video I've seen.. btw i have a 1998 Toyota Tacoma 2.7 4x4 do you think is the same setup?? Thanks again

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Hey Rick, glad you found our video helpful. For your Tacoma, the steps would be the same but your balljoints are a different part number so make sure you get the right ones for your Tacoma.

[@richricks78]

@@TimmyTheToolman thank you for info much appreciated

[@TimmyTheToolman]

@@richricks78 You're welcome Rick.

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

Otc tool kit bought had it saves to buy just bought it

[@MinhBui-ni1by]

Thanks Tim. This saves me so much time to reference the tools you used and not have a billion of them laying around lol

[@TimmyTheToolman]

You're welcome Minh.

[@jeffreyhomer8509]

Iam watch this video .why going fast????

[@TimmyTheToolman]

What's going so fast Jeff?

[@rodkayephotographyl.l.c.455]

Excellent video, but can you let me know where you found the Pittman Arm puller as there are multiple variations and some clearly do not work/fit... Thanks!

[@TimmyTheToolman]

OTC 6295 Front End Service Set amzn.to/2BnaLGk

[@rodkayephotographyl.l.c.455]

Awesome, Tim. Thank you! @@TimmyTheToolman

[@efil4kizum]

@@TimmyTheToolman have you entertained the proper SST called for in the FSM part# 09610-20012 this is for the OTR end of the LBJ ... looks like it would fit over that like a glove with near-zero chance of any damages to LBJ

[@TimmyTheToolman]

@@efil4kizum No, I haven't even thought of it. That OTC Front End Service kit hasn't failed me yet. I've used it tons of times.

[@mannlicher-fc7vl]

You are the man Timmy. Thanks for your contributions on the Toyota 4runner forum and always answering any questions. We have three 3rd gens in the household and these videos keep the runners in good shape.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Thanks. Good to hear our videos are helping you with your fleet of 3rd Gens. I like helping people out on the forums and I'm always learning new stuff being active on them. Thanks for taking the time to comment. We appreciate it. Happy Wrenching!

[@TS-gd3yw]

Hey Tim, not sure if you’ll see this or not, but great video! I recently bought an 07 Taco 4x4 and it needs more work than I thought...I’m female, not a mechanic by any means, but did a cv axle, ecgs bushing, and wheel bearing assembly by myself so far. My silly question is this: would this be the same on a 2nd gen Tacoma? I don’t have the $$ to have a mechanic do it and your video gave me hope that I can do it on my own :)

[@TimmyTheToolman]

You know what, you are a mechanic. You're a DIY Mechanic just like the rest of us who choose to do our own automotive work. I've never done a 2nd Gen Tacoma LBJ but I imagine the steps will be very similar. I'm confident you'll be able to do it no problem with the right tools.

[@TortureTestMagazine]

Thanks for the tutorial! Followed it step by step. This got rid of the popping when steering and front end wandering in our 99 4r with 260k miles. Wish you had a crypto or paypal tip jar!

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Good to hear this video helped you out. I think you dodged a major bullet by replacing the LBJs before they failed. Never even thought of having the ability to accept cash tips but the fact you took the time to comment and thank us for the video is best tip you could have given us anyway. Happy Wrenching!

[@toastrecon]

This is exactly what's happening with mine right now @ 300k miles. I've had it in the alignment shop twice and they say it aligns just fine. Maybe it's time to take matters into my own hands.

[@Shalmaneser1]

Can't find castle nut torque setting for ball joint Sankei 555 W0133-3605319 W0133-3601484. (not even in the instructions!) Anyone?

[@tarzan30809]

Thank you Tim, and Merry Christmas. By the way the next time you are in GA let me know, I leave close to ATL and would like to show you my 2001 Sequoia 4x4

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Merry Christmas to you too. The next time I go to Atlanta to visit my buddy Jordan, we are planning on driving up into Raleigh, NC to hold a Timmy the Toolman party up there.

[@tarzan30809]

Sign me up!@@TimmyTheToolman

[@TimmyTheToolman]

@@tarzan30809 There will be a video announcement of the party. If you're subscribed and receive notifications, you'll see the invite invite.

[@efil4kizum]

@@TimmyTheToolman you are bringing your T4R to NC?

[@TimmyTheToolman]

@efil4kizum No. I would fly to Atlanta, where my buddy Jordan lives, and we would drive up into Raleigh in his 3rd Gen 4runner.

[@ozzstars_cars]

Tim you are a pro. There are to many hacks here on YTube. Maybe I am one of them huh? haha 😁 Great work and keep on torquing! -Glen P.S. Subscribed!

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Thanks for the compliment. Sean and I are DIYers just like you and we're learning all the time. That's what's great about this hobby, you never stop learning. Thanks for subscribing and Happy Wrenching!

[@lturner4369]

Great video, Thank You! My 96 Tacoma ball joint recently failed by snapping the shaft right at the ball. No gradual warning play in the ball. This was after some rough riding through Nevada on a lot of washboard. This ball joint does not appear to be OEM. If you've got miles on your truck, replacing these is good PM even w/o ball play. Some Tacoma joints are in tension and internal flaws can propagate cracks you can't see. LBJ failures cause a lot of collateral damage and leave you stranded or worse. I went with Toyota parts.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Glad you like the video and you're welcome. I agree with you that it's good preventative maintenance to replace the lower balljoints even if there's no detectable play or signs of damage. This is the same advice I impart to people about our lower balljoints.

[@msp9703]

Thanks for the great Video Tim....Do we need to do an alignment if we are only changing the lower ball joints? We recently bought new tires and just did an alignment last week!

[@TimmyTheToolman]

You're very welcome. No need for an alignment after replacing balljoints. Good luck with the job.

[@kylebevis]

Awesome videos! Super helpful!! ............ UBJ video next please! haha

[@macgeniusgreg]

Thank you very much for the instructional video. Got mine done and now have peace of mind. Got rid of most of the steering wheel wiggle side to side at about 65-70. Gonna balance and re Align at work tomorrow. Thanks again

[@TimmyTheToolman]

You're welcome Greg. Glad our video helped you out. Sounds like you might have dodged a bullet by getting these replaced since it sounds like they were ready to fail. Good job getting it done and thanks for taking the time to comment. Happy Wrenching!

[@ravenfeather7087]

Nicely done video. I used this to guide replacing the lower ball joints on my 1997 Toyota Tacoma. Bought them from Camelback for around $220 total. Received them 6 days later and they were the right parts in good condition. Shipped from AZ to WI. Nicely done on their part also. It took about 4 hours to replace both sides. The existing ball joints had about 272,000 on them and were still in good condition. One had a little grease on the boot but there were no large cracks and both were tight. The grease could possibly have been from somewhere else. The boots showed very light cracking on the exterior. Part of the ease of doing this job was the fact I was working on a Toyota with almost no rust on it. Parts removed easily with pullers.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Good to hear. We're happy the video helped you get the job done. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Happy Wrenching!

[@JAY-gv4eq]

How is there almost no rust in Wisconsin?

[@jeffreyhomer8509]

I have been watching the videos .he has the best

[@Mojo27564]

Thanks for helping!! Damn camera Man tho

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Mojo27564 We're getting a little less shaky with our videos but there we still do a little shaking here and there.

[@MonkeySpecs301]

inflation is a bitch, the LBJs from camelback are now $128/pc

[@Albiemanmike]

So Timmy I recently found your channel while searching for 2002 4Runner info. Your videos really are some of the best of any DIY videos I've seen on all of KZbin BRAVO! I am curious about the parts you chose to use in this video. I recently replaced all of the front end components on my wife's 2002 4Runner with 297k miles. I purchased a complete aftermarket kits that came with all the parts included. They obviously were not OEM parts but they seemed to be very good quality aftermarket supreme parts from Rock Auto. I've never had a problem using Rock Auto parts in the past except for tie rods for my 2000 F-150 which seemed to fail prematurely every time. Those were MOOG brand. In any event did you or do you worry about using non-OEM parts like ball joints? All the guys on the 4Runner online groups say don't use after market ball joints as they always fail. Most parts I wouldn't worry about it but ball joints especially the lowers can cause a pretty catastrophic incident if they fail and my wife drives this vehicle daily for work. I did contact the manufacturer and they said their parts are designed and manufactured from OEM samples so I should not be worried. Thanks for a great channel! #SUBBED

[@TimmyTheToolman]

For ball joints, I only recommend OEM Toyota ball joints.

[@cougfan82]

Terrific tutorial. I just got an 01 Runner with 160K on it. I replaced the LBJ's and OTRE's followed by an alignment and your vid was a big part in helping me do it. Thanks! Next up will be new radiator and tranny cooler.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Will Wickert Hey Will, glad you found the video helpful. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Happy Wrenching!

[@Astrobradbury]

Do you have to use the longer version (990119-10933) on a 2001-02?

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Yes. Check out the video description. We mention this there.

[@jeffreyhomer8509]

Every would be this about it.

[@corylannon8546]

Been rehabbing an 03 v6 4x4. Seems like no good deed goes unpunished. Thought I'd refresh the front with new inner/outer tierods/LBJ and shocks/springs all OME/OEM. Broke free the first LBJ bolt (the one where the threads go all the way through the top of the spindle), I felt it turn with my other hand but after 1 full turn it tightened up and snapped off... Now I'm terrified to continue attacking the next 7...

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Bummer about the broken bolt. I'd be shy about trying any more too after the first one broke.

[@jvogler_art4708]

I put moog ball joints back in 2021 when I was restoring it.. although they’re working perfectly, today I’ll be putting oem on. I just can’t drive it knowing my balljoint is made of plastic. Moog historically has been good quality but I saw a video of someone cutting open their balljoint to reveal a plastic cup. Not sure if mine is like that too but I’m not trying to find out 😢

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Yeah, going to OEM ball joints is a smart move. Thanks for the comment.

[@robertclark2714]

Tim, You are my idol !!!! It may help to mention that the 4 bolts that secure the lower ball joint are 10 X 1.25 X 30 . The 8.8 that you may find on top of the bolt is the equivalent to GRADE 5. Grade 8 or even 10.9 would be preferred along with some blue Loctite. If these bolt strip out or break then it could result in an accident. (I have been there, done that and got the holly teeshirt.)

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Thanks for sharing that info about the bolts.

[@taliarose6573]

Fun fact. Thise notches on top of the bolt is a tensile strength rating of each bolt.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

We know this too. Can't remember when we learned it but we're in the know as well. And, it is a fun fact to share with others.

[@marksimcoe4105]

So, I have not made it to the dealer yet to compare the Tundra LBJ to the 4Runner's but, I found a parts interchange guide that lists the lower ball joint part number for the Tundra 4333039466 for the right front and lists the 4Runner part number 4333039585 as interchangeable with the Tundra's. I think that the casting the ball joint sits in are the same for the Tacoma, Tundra, Seqoia, and 4Runner and the only difference is the ball joint itself. This means that to compensate for the differences between the different models the outer tie rod would need to be different which, is exactly what you are pointing out. Most likely it's cheaper to make production changes to the outer tie rod than it is the the casting of the LBJ since the casting of the LBJ is more complex. I'm still going to the dealer to compare the parts but, at this point I'm convinced you can use either the Tacoma's or Tundra's LBJ on the 4Runner. Therefore, if there is a difference in durability the hot set up would be to use the Tundra's LBJ.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Ok, thanks for the update.

[@handyman22]

Hi Tim I thought I would let you know that you can order the lower balljoint kit from toyota which comes as a set of them. It's much cheaper than ordering them separately. The kit number it is: 04005-02235. I believe this kit was introduced back around 2005 when they had to recall some of the 01 & 02 4Runners for their lower ball joints.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Good find and good info. We appreciate you taking the time to share this info with us and our viewers!

[@dinch_art]

You are the man I go to for all my tacoma work I do. I just finished up my lower ball joints today and I’m happy to have saved money and learning doing it myself. Thanks for your efforts!

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Hey David, it's great to hear you've been using our videos to work on your Tacoma. We always like hearing how our videos help people become more knowledgeable about auto mechanics and help them save money by avoiding paying the high labor rates shops charge. You're very welcome and Happy Wrenching!

[@4runner4wd79]

All your videos are awesome and very detailed.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Thanks Michael. We're glad you like our videos. Thanks for taking the time to comment.

[@j.a.8970]

Hi Timmy. Whats the pitch and length for the 90080-10066 (98 4runner) flange bolts? I cant seem to find that info anywhere for the life of me. I don't want to pay the ridiculous price for oem ones so i want to find some at a hardware store. Thanks from 🇨🇦

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Don't know off the top of my head. Maybe just remove one of your bolts and take it to a hardware store that has the template for you to test the size and thread pitch of the bolt.

[@ronmcclain5304]

Make sure to verify these will fit your application. Ordered these LBJs thinking that they would work for a 4x4 v6 toyota tacoma, however they do not. Believe these are only for 4 runners and 2wd tacomas.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Solid advice.

[@tewatenebillemery5584]

great video iv own my kzn185 hilux surf 12years and had 2 lower ball joint ball blow out lucky low speed only going 5kms .love my toyota. ball joint fails very dangers high speed if have blow out. tip buy OEM parts lower ball joints very strong

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Thanks. It seems a lot of them fail at slower speeds luckily.

[@chaddhignite5831]

Hey timmy. So am i the only one who has had issues with this? Every tie rod puller ive rented hasnt fit. I try to angle it to pop the tie rod out but it keeps slipping. Ive hit the ball joint with a hammer, used a pry bar, pb blaster. Nothing seems to be working. What was supposed to be a 2 hour job now has my 4runner sitting in my driveway on jack stands for 2 weeks. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Have you tried a basic 2 jaw puller? In some instances I couldn't get a tie rod puller onto the tie rod due to the changed angle from a suspension lift so I resorted to a 2 jaw puller like the one you'll see in this set on the right side of the case: www.amazon.com/OTC-6295-Front-End-Service/dp/B0002SRH7O/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=OTC+6295&qid=1573250019&s=automotive&sr=1-4 See if an auto parts store rents one like this for free and give it a try.

[@UkuleleLove14]

A mechanic torqued my 02 bolts to the normal 59ft lbs and the next time I had to take them off , one ofnthebnplts was actually broken already. Was able to weld a nut to the other end and twist it out that way. Point is, the stretching that happens when over torquing the 01/02 bolts wi cause them to break which could easily cause failure

[@TimmyTheToolman]

I agree. Check the video description. There's two different torque values depending on what year rig you have. I'm guessing yours were suppose to be at the lower spec.

[@nfswift]

In Canada the local dealer tried to get $225 PER SIDE for LBJs. I gave up trying to find them cheaper than amazon for $160 a side, why are these things such a rip off up here?

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Don't know. I guess everything isn't so great in Canada. You have universal health care and we have more affordable auto parts.

[@explorersclub4743]

Hey Timmy thanks for the video I’m replacing both my upper and lower BJs is there anything else I should be replacing while performing this job just to get it out of the way since I’m down there ?

[@TimmyTheToolman]

If your Upper and Lower Control Arms have worn out bushings, it might be the time to replace them.

[@glenep]

WARNING re the bolts. 90119-10933 are a different tensile than your more common 90080-10066 (or 90105-10406). Setting the *933s to the same torque rating will cause bolt stretching and risk failure. These bolts were released for dust covers. I will try to copy a link here with more information, otherwise, search the internet for "different lbj bolts mighty 90s".

[@glenep]

More information: www.mighty90s.com/forums/discussion/89/the-different-lbj-bolts-and-why-its-important-prado-90-series

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Thanks for sharing this information. I added this information in the video description.

[@glenep]

@@TimmyTheToolman Good stuff mate!

[@key-bn1xx]

just got some OEM LBJ...when i squeeze the boot it seems like it doesnt have much grease inside, should i add more grease or just leave it as it is? i know there are no zerk fittings on them but i was thinking maybe i would try to squeeze some through the gap between the dust cover/boot and the ball stud...what are your thoughts on this...to add or not to add???

[@TimmyTheToolman]

They should have plenty of grease to lubricate the joint. The boot isn't packed tight with grease.

[@jonathonpeterson8907]

Hi. I ordered OEM LBJs for my 3rd gen. I didn’t notice you lubing them, am I correct in assuming that they come with lube in them already

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Yes, they come pre-lubed.

[@ttvills]

Nice video, thanks a lot!! Do these OEM lower ball joints come greased up or you have to put the grease and assemble the boot? Thanks!!

[@TimmyTheToolman]

The balljoints are non-greaseable. They come pre-greased.

[@stevenlopez4754]

Can someone please give guidance. My lbj will not come off. The four outer bolts came off and so did the tie rod .I removed the castle nut on lbj but it will not break free

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Are you using a puller?

[@garymartin8619]

You mentioned a website or parts company you go through for 4runner parts I didn’t catch the name if you get a chance could you reply with it sir thanks in advance

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Hey Gary, we provide links in the video description for all the parts and tools used for this job. In the past, I used Camelback Toyota for a lot of my parts purchases. I don't know if they are the most affordable anymore though. You can either use the links we provided or you can do your own search with the part numbers and buy them from another supplier. Good luck!

[@germanardila1702]

Brother Timmy... Excelent video.. thousand thanks.. 🦾🦾😎😎

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Thanks and you're very welcome.

[@cameronp5728]

hammering no work for me. lol i had a pitman arm puller but it didnt fit....going to try a ball joint seperator i saw one in your OTC kit, i got one of those will try end of week.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

The puller will get it done. The nice thing about pullers is they always work. The hammer technique, not so much.

[@jeffreyhomer8509]

Just the rest would do this

[@davelikesbacon]

I have an issue now where my outer bolts on my ball joint won't tighten up. They're just spinning. The inside ones are torqued though

[@TimmyTheToolman]

That's means they are stripped which is unfortunate. I wouldn't suggest driving it like this. I wonder if longer bolts that are the same size, thread pitch and strength would work so you're grabbing more threads. You could try retapping the threads but that will most likely not work. You could also drill the holes out a bit larger and install helicoils in the holes but I just don't know how prudent that would be knowing the forces that are constantly being applied to those balljoints. I think if it were me, I'd try to grab another steering knuckle from a wrecking yard.

[@CantSitStillforREAL]

Well, Tim... This one is on the weekend list too!!! Face palm.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Good luck with the swap.

[@zarathean8758]

2023 and just used this video, a good reason to never re-use the bolts would be mine had rust in the middle (where the two parts meet)

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Yep, that's a good reason. Thanks for the comment.

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

Description should say 2000 toyota 4runner lower ball joints would love to see a video about the uppers also

[@TimmyTheToolman]

We use a general title because the video could help more than just owners of a 2000 Toyota 4runner, like how to use pullers to break free tie rod connections and balljoint connections from the control arm. Lots of people choose a pickle fork or a big f*cking hammer to break free these connections and a puller does it so much better without any damage. We show most of the job for the upper balljoint removal and replacement in our Toytec Boss Lift video. We show the removal but not the reinstallation because we were installing Total Chaos UCAs and they use a different style joint. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4nNmqKOrr-Ula8

[@kennysmoke]

Seeing how easy it was to break free the joints with a puller is what made me decide to tackle this job on my own. Got the loaner tool from Advance Auto Parts and bought breaker bars and torque wrench and impact sockets from Harbor Freight. I figured I'd rather spend the money on tools I can have and use again instead of spending it on labor.

[@kennysmoke]

Thanks for this and all your excellent step by step videos.... I just replaced what appeared to be the original OEM LBJ's on my '98 SR5 4WD with 217,000 miles today with the help of this very detailed tutorial.. A big shout out to you and Sean for all you guys do to put together these extremely informative videos!

[@TimmyTheToolman]

You're welcome Kenny and thanks for the kind words. We appreciate you taking the time to comment. Happy Wrenching!

[@kennysmoke]

How about one for swapping out the AC compressor? That's the next job I need to tackle... I'm swapping the compressor, condenser and drier first. And if vac doesn't hold I'll do the evaporator coil and expansion valve. Thanks again Tim!

[@kennysmoke]

I envy you guys who don't live in the rust belt... seeing you be able to just straighten the cotter pins and pull them out like nothing then looking at mine rusted solid with no way to push them out... I ended up snapping a half inch extension using my breaker bar trying to get the nut off one of the ball joints and had to drill through the stuck pins in the tie rods... got it done though...

[@nicolaswilliams9060]

Are you just letting the suspension hang there? Jack stand on the frame and that’s it? Thanks.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Yes, the suspension is just suspended. Pardon the pun.

[@spiedr0722]

Just getting into 3G4R ownership and your videos have been a huge help so thank you Tim. One question on this job is is there any worth in using the upgraded LBJ’s (01-02) on an older (97) 4Runner? The only difference I can tell is the black bolts and the dust cover around the ball joint.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

The balljoints are the same for all years. The dust boots aren't necessary. The bolts are different between the years, but I can't remember if one is better than the other.

[@spiedr0722]

I appreciate your response Tim and thanks for clearing that up. From what I was looking at, the consensus is that the black bolts (39 ft lbs) are better than the silver bolts (57 ft lbs). Either way, I’ll be doing this job soon and am grateful for the time you take to make these videos and post on the forums!

[@crickle47]

Am very disappointed with Toyota...I only got 290,000 miles out of my lower ball joints. 😁 Just kidding about the disappointment. FWIW, I was getting vibration when I was braking, which led me to think it was the rotor. New rotor, and it was the same, so...it was that lower joint. Hey, San Ho! I miss you! 45 years there.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Sounds like you dodged a bullet with getting a symptom before the joint failed entirely. I've lived in San Jo my whole life. My wife and I will be leaving soon though. We're done with the Bay Area and most likely California. We need more space, less people and less taxes.

[@echosierraenroute]

@@TimmyTheToolman coming to Montana?

[@PullTab]

Camelback Toyota is a Toyota Dealership

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Yes, at least they use to be. I haven't bought parts from them in years.

[@kat4animals004]

What would be the approximate charge for this service of LBJ's replacement- for labor and parts? I heard $325 per side. I wanted to tackle this job, but just not going to happen right now. I'd like peace of mind with my 2005, tundra with 153k miles.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Don’t settle for anything except OEM Lowe ball joints! But the parts from an online Toyota dealer and have your shop install them. Each ball joint is approx $210 per side on a 3rd gen 4runner. - Sean

[@kat4animals004]

@@TimmyTheToolman Thanks Sean! I have a 1st gen tundra, 2005. I assume they are about the same price as 3rd gen 4Runner?

[@8848Red]

I just purchased lower ball joints for both sides for my 1998 4runner. I had a question regarding how to tell which side is which. They both came in a package with the correct part number on the packaging, but one of the packages was already ripped open up arriving and was missing the castle nut and cotter pine. It appears as if both of the balljoints look identical and have a stamping with LJ, does that stand for Left joint or lower joint? Should one be RJ for Right joint?

[@8848Red]

LJ does in fact stand for lower joint. But upon inspection they did send me two left hand joints. One was under the disguise of a right hand joint part number package. Glad I checked before I got into the job.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

@@8848Red That's a bummer that they screwed up your order. Good thing you caught that before getting into the job.

[@ExtremeRecluse]

That ball joint should be very hard to rotate. Those were moving without any effort.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

A ball joint moving freely isn't a sign of a bad joint. It's actual play in the joint that's bad where the ball will pop in the socket.

[@wesleyfuruya3659]

Just a heads up for your "sick mods", I just saw a video that Total Chaos started making an after market replacement part for the OEM piece to address the lower ball joint failure. It's 4-5x more in cost, but the added piece of mind on the trail might be worth it.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Yeah we know about the total chaos uni-ball LCA’s but we went with anonymousFAB’s LCA’s. Install video coming soon! - Sean

[@wesleyfuruya3659]

Oh nice! I'll check those out

[@starvinDJ]

that tie rod puller is a nice tool. Timmy whats the difference between a pitman puller and a tie rod puller?

[@TimmyTheToolman]

It's basically the size of the puller from what I can see. The pitman arm puller is bigger. They both work the same so there's no real design difference, just a size difference.

[@starvinDJ]

@@TimmyTheToolman ok cool thanks.

[@mhelmi73]

Best video on this that ever watched. Thanks Mike.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Mohd Helmi You're welcome Mike. Thanks for taking the time to comment.

[@patrickgrove1830]

Just wanted to say thanks for all this information. I did mine yesterday and this video helped me so much!!!! The torque specs and the part numbers. I am sure a shop would of charged me two hours labor. Please keep making videos. My 2000 sr5 has 202xxx miles and they looked original to the truck.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Hey Patrick, glad our video allowed you to avoid expensive shop labor rates and enable you to get the job done on your own. If you haven't subscribed to our channel yet, I recommend you do because we are going to continue making videos. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Happy Wrenching!

[@patrickgrove1830]

of course I subscribed, your videos also helped me with my cv axles and going to try to flush my transmission next week. I recommend doing a shift solenoid video next. But thats just what I need to do to mine.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Hey Patrick, the video I'm currently editing is a trans filter replacement. From this video, you'll at least see how we dropped the pan, replaced the filter and put everything back together. I haven't run into anyone needing a replacement of the shifting solenoids so no plans of making that video just yet.

[@ernestogarcia8014]

If I want to redo the upper/ lower ball joints including upper/lower control arm bushings with the tie rods, and struts, where should I start to remove things to begin replacing the parts? Thank you !

[@TimmyTheToolman]

I'd break free the locknuts for both outer tie rods first. Next, I'd fully remove the steering knuckle. You could then spin out the outer tie rods and install new ones.. With the steering knuckle off the rig, I'd replace the upper ball joint. Next I'd remove the coilover (strut). Then I'd pull both control arms off and replace the bushings. When you're ready to get the steering knuckle back on, I'd replace the lower balljoint.

[@ernestogarcia8014]

@@TimmyTheToolman this is such a great help, thank you so much!!! 🙏

[@borderat]

my ball joint failed once but at those four bolts. it happened when I kissed a curb when I parked. scaryyyy

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Yeah, hitting a curb could do it.

[@borderat]

@@TimmyTheToolman if you only knew how many baja miles the truck already had on it. for it to fail hitting the curb. thanks for the awesome videos have learned a lot from you.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

@@borderat You're welcome. Nice to know you're learning a lot from our channel. Happy Wrenching!

[@jonuszirpolo6431]

just stripped one of my lower ball joint bolts trying to take it off, what do i do?

[@TimmyTheToolman]

You can try an extractor. If that doesn't work, you'll have to drill it out and retap the threads.

[@whocares4464]

I've got a 99 4runner and is eating through front tires. On inspection I found the drivers side lower ball joint has some kind of dust shield over boot and is taller than passenger side that has a visible boot. I think the last owner put the wrong ball joint on and has thrown the alignment off eating the outside edge of my front tires

[@bogotabro]

I got the same thing on my '04 Tacoma TRD pre-runner. Some kind of rubber shield around the ball joint, on both sides. At first I thought it was metal and would help prevent a major catastrophe if it ever blew out, but being rubber I guess it's just a dust shield? Anyway it prevents me from seeing the bushing when doing the 2x4 under the wheel test. It all stills look tight though, no movement in the area. I'm about to replace the shocks and wanted to check to see if I should do the LBJs too.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

The 2001 and 2002 balljoints for the 3rd Gen 4runners came with that rubber dust shield. The balljoint is exactly the same as the 1996-2000 balljoints. The only difference is the rubber dust shield and the bolts used to affix it to the steering knuckle.

[@glennhobson8623]

Hello Tim. Is an alignment necessary after a lower ball joint replacement?

[@TimmyTheToolman]

No, not necessary.

[@jerlin104]

Best video tutorial ever! Saved myself $300

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Thanks and great to hear you decided to do the work yourself and saved a bunch of money.

[@jerlin104]

Most definitely! Especially with my auto parts store loaning me the tools! Best tutorial I've seen. And good things it's a 3rd gen 4runner!

[@brandonryder3632]

Easy peasy, thanks for the walk through!

[@TimmyTheToolman]

You're welcome Brandon. Good job getting it done.

[@BJMiguel3]

Is the hardware required to be replace when replacing the lower ball joint?

[@TimmyTheToolman]

It's smart to replace the bolts as part of this job.

[@citizenpark2782]

Awesome vids... wat Jack stand brand you recommend?

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Thanks. Glad you like the video. I suggest getting a set of 6 ton jack stands. I have two sets of AC Delco 6 ton jack stands that I bought at a local Oreillys. Since I like buying most of my tools on Amazon, I've been recommending this set which looks exactly like the AC Delco ones I own and they get really good reviews. amzn.to/2MM91w6 One set will get you by, but there's been plenty of times I wanted to have the whole rig lifted up higher off the ground, especially for big jobs like pulling a transmission where you need a lot of room to work.

[@diamondbackecological]

Question. Whats the most robust lbjs on the market for 3rd gen 4runners ? For a heavy heavy rig and dirt/ forest roads every day? Ive been changing stock toyota lbjs every year for safety. Rig is too modified to risk a failure..

[@TimmyTheToolman]

@@diamondbackecological Total Chaos makes a set of uniball lbjs. They're pretty pricey, though.

[@diamondbackecological]

@@TimmyTheToolman You guys are awesome. I've been eyeing those for the past year. I wanted to hear your opinion before I make that purchase. Thanks a bunch.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

@@diamondbackecological You're welcome.

[@TempoMontages]

It took me an hour just to get one clip out. Fuck the rust belt it turned this job into 5 hours

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Yeah, we feel for ya. Working with rust has got to be miserable.

[@Mike_44]

Tim.. after doing some research and seeing some pics, I’m a little worried about this LBJ catastrophic failure now.. lol How likely is for this to happen?? I’ll be purchasing a MY00 Limited in a few days and the last thing I want is my wheels falling off while driving.. I have two small children.. From my research, I found only 01-02 models were “affected” on the Toyota recall, but some T4R members were mad because according to them older models were affected too. I inspected the car I’ll be buying a few days ago and it does need both LBJs(boots are shut).. From your experience, what’s your opinion on the likelihood of this happening??

[@TimmyTheToolman]

It's not as common as you think. It's actually fairly rare, but yeah, it can happen. I wouldn't worry about it. Replace them when you get a chance but it's not like they are ticking time bomb that are going to explode at any moment.

[@Mike_44]

@@TimmyTheToolman Ok, that’s good to know and it’s a relief.. I’ll be replacing the LBJs first. Thank you Timmy! 👍🏻

[@TimmyTheToolman]

@@Mike_44 You're welcome.

[@peerdesilva2156]

Hi , it seems like to reply I need to find a new video , anyway . I was asking if you thought 3 years was too long to hope finding my reservoir . I don't know what to expect and are there any parts that I might find that could be useful to me in the future . Thinking about it I guess there is no way to really answer that without knowing a lot more about my truck . In closing when you went to the junkyard experience , how long had the 4Runner you worked on been there . I will make a list but is 3 years a long time for a junkyard ? Perry

[@jamram9924]

Let me recommend Autonation Toyota Scion in Tempe, AZ. Ask for Chad in Wholesale. I'm pretty sure he can beat Camelback because of the volume of parts they manage. I worked at an import shop and we ordered many parts from Chad. Excellent service and availability! Great video posting! Any opinion on Moog as an alternative suspension parts? Used them as alternates with excellent results so far....👍🏻👍🏻

[@TimmyTheToolman]

Thanks for the recommendation for another parts supplier. I've heard Moog would be ok for something like outer tie rods but they are not recommended for Lower Ball Joints. When it comes to shocks, springs and other non-catastrophic failure items, I'd say aftermarket is just fine and often a better option than OEM. When it comes to steering components where a failure could cause a crash with serious injury or death, I'd always recommend OEM. I'd never put an aftermarket Lower Ball Joint on my rig. There's been reports of low-mileage failures of aftermarket ball joints so it's just not worth the risk to save a few bucks.

[@saephan34]

Joe Ram I need to order 2 sets of ball joints...one for my runner and tacoma...how much cheaper is autonation Toyota compare to camelback price, camel price is 90 to 100 bucks

[@hylndrfan]

Got a link to their website.

[@vuthyyos5212]

Hi, what is the part number of the Pittman Arm Puller you used to remove the tie rods and the balljoints? Thanks!

[@TimmyTheToolman]

The pullers are part of a Front End Service Kit made by OTC. It's a great kit that I've used on tons of jobs. amzn.to/2BnaLGk

[@vuthyyos5212]

@@TimmyTheToolman Thanks!!!!

[@SirxFrenchy]

@Timmy The Toolman I would like to know where do you get the service manual... I´ve been looking for mine but I can´t get the right one.. I have a 3rd Gen 4Runner Diesel with the 1KZ motor... If anyone here know where can I get it... I´ll be more than grateful...

[@TimmyTheToolman]

I bought mine on Ebay. The diesel version might be difficult to find.

[@SirxFrenchy]

@@TimmyTheToolman thanks bro. I’ll keep looking for it

[@1I2am3Dani4]

@@SirxFrenchy The 1KZ-TE manual has been posted on various forums, you should be able to find it when you google for "1KZ-TE repair manual".

[@marksimcoe4105]

So I'm preparing to replace my upper and lower ball joints (LBJ) on my 2000 4Runner and I read in one of the Toyota forums that the 2000 Tacoma front LBJ will fit the same year 4Runner and is more durable. I checked and the part numbers are different but, they look exactly the same. Are you aware of this? If so, any thoughts on it? To go one better I looked up the LBJ for the 2000 Tundra and it also is a different part number but, looks exactly the same. Assuming the Tundra LBJ also fits the 4Runner I would think it would be even more stout than the Tacoma LBJ. Any thoughts on this? As always thanks in advance for your input.

[@TimmyTheToolman]

I believe the outer tie rods are different on the Tacomas as well. I've heard talk about this but never did much research into it. For myself, I'd just stick with the 4runner LBJs

[@akmonster9687]

Your Manual says 66-LBF NOT 67 lbf for the outer tie rod castle nut. Pause it and look closely. Everything else is spot on. Doing my lbj tomorrow 245 k on original lbj and my god they are toast! So much so I’m getting it towed to the shop I’ll be doing it at,I’m not running the risk I’ve been lucky! Mine were making a squeaking noise when turning and when I jacked up the truck and tested they had so much up and down play it was not even funny!Thanks for the video VERY HELPFUL!

[@TimmyTheToolman]

You're right on that torque spec. Good eye. If it was a gross mistake I'd mention that in a pinned comment but 1 pound difference isn't a big deal. Sometimes, the FSM actually specifies different torque values for the same application on different pages and that's where I might have gotten it. There's actually a fair amount of mistakes and some of them are really bad like giving the value in pounds when it should be inch pounds. We spotted a big mistake like this for the nuts for the rear 3rd member and I'm pretty sure we saw them same thing for the transmission pan bolts. You can't just blindly follow specs out of the book. If it doesn't sound right based off the size of the fastener(s), it's probably not and it's better to reevaluate before stripping a nut or breaking off a bolt. Smart decision to tow your rig and not risk it. A fair amount of damage can happen when it fails not to mention it could cause an accident hurting yourself and others. You're definitely one of the lucky ones that noticed it before it failed. You saved yourself quite a bit of grief and money. Good luck with the job and we're glad our video is going to help you out. Happy Wrenching!

[@duanedoak9336]

Use a ratchet strap if u don't have a extra jack to bring back together

[@TimmyTheToolman]

That would work. Thanks for sharing your idea.