Lowkey What If We Just Banned Zooka, Like What's The Downside (Sorry Carbon Players)

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[@abstractCalam1ty]

If you told the community last year that we want crab back you'd be called insane

[@unconcernedsalad2]

to be fair last year we were dealing with pre-nerf crab. no one wants pre-nerf crab

[@harmless9336]

Remove vsplash and crab wasn't so bad

[@Thestuffdoer]

I left the community around a year ago and just recently came back. The meta has changed a lot it seems.

[@abstractCalam1ty]

@@Thestuffdoer Free from splash jail now we're in pencil jail

[@Thestuffdoer]

@@abstractCalam1ty interesting

[@Hario338]

chara getting called pissed off when he's just being passionate about it is relatable to 90% of autistic ppl (source: me)

[@EepyGirlLava]

I feel that so, so much

[@maccross4567]

EXACTLY what I was thinking, so glad I'm not alone in that lmao

[@RatCakez]

realest thing ever

[@rafaelbartholomay7893]

true af

[@Sim23.]

Why are carbon players sorry they have 160p zipcastor 🎉 (COPING)

[@HowlingWolfy..]

We will see the first 140p weapon In the game let’s goo

[@Olavi_VLIi]

⁠​⁠Can’t wait for 10p Zipcaster on Carbon #hyped 🔥🔥🔥

[@countyhare]

omg nintendo making the first always-zipcaster weapon being carbon roller is so exciting, how it’s gonna have zipcaster the entire game!!!!

[@TheDreadedAstelle]

@@Olavi_VLIi that would be neat because autobomb is useless on carbon. It would be cool to just have zipcaster as a sub weapon

[@KoraAzure]

@@Olavi_VLIi0p Carbon. you just get it instantly on respawning or once the special has been used

[@unl3ash3d95]

this dude goes to sleep with splatoon 3 trizooka on his mind

[@ShortcakeAngle]

what fighting 10x+ zooka shots daily for half a year does to a mf

[@Typi]

I am still astonished they haven't just did the good ol' Splatoon 1 Zooka Deployment delay nerf to Trizooka. Still stupid they undid it in the first place.

[@unl3ash3d95]

bc trizooka works differently compared to splatoon 1 inkzooka u get around 5-7 shots with the inkzooka making a delay make sense whereas trizooka is only 3 shots

[@Typi]

@@unl3ash3d95 Why does it only having 3 shots make it so a delay isn't needed? The original zooka had the same issue as this zooka did which GAVE it the nerf. Shot Count has nothing to do with the first shot being almost completely unavoidable due to the instant nature of the shot.

[@unl3ash3d95]

@@Typi it explains nintendos rationale as to why they would scrap the delay aspect of zooka plus when splat 3 initially released zooka wasn’t even that good even with the no delay

[@Typi]

@@unl3ash3d95 Fair enough, and while Zooka wasn't popular at first, it still had the "can't react" issue, it just wasn't as noticable due to a smaller damage radius

[@undynesgaming9462]

It's stupid they buffed its damage anyway...

[@brain_cell]

7:16 "what about squeezer??" what ABOUT squeezer? its already the best main weapon in the game, and if range blaster can live without a special, i think squeezer will be fine

[@volt42re]

There is no “best main weapon” because all of Splatoon’s weapons are situational, and they always work better with other weapons to cover their weaknesses, which sometimes doesn’t even work on specific modes or maps or against other team dynamics.

[@ebluegamer5397]

​@@volt42re My brother in Christ, Squeezer doesn't have weaknesses

[@hentloll1370]

@@ebluegamer5397 I guess it technically has a weakness in painting (kinda) and lacks aoe?

[@volt42re]

@@ebluegamer5397 Then why does no one use it?

[@Rubellite-jq2kg]

​@@volt42remashing + hard to use for some cus they actually need to aim, but when you reach high level you get faced with people who will grind like hell to win so those weaknesses will be overcome

[@Helio343]

I think that if we do this, carbon players need to re program the right stick press to something like their bomb and they won’t have access to their zooka and they can survive.

[@Helio343]

Like you said chara

[@gritilazz_3478]

I really like this approach to banning. in many games, bans only happen because the weapon/character has saturated the meta completley, while zooka is an insanely overpowered weapon, this ban focusses on the butterfly effect and takes specific match ups into account. also splash being a top tier is not a bad thing, crab is genuinly healthy

[@ouh.my_]

agreed. crab has many fair counters, one of them being inkjet, a special that can still be punished by blasters and Chargers if they have bad positioning

[@agentblackbird9435]

Old crab wasn’t healthy and I think that’s something people don’t understand, both in the sense of new crab being much more balanced and the reaction that people get when they hear people want crab meta again

[@gritilazz_3478]

@@agentblackbird9435 We also title that era as "crab meta" which is not at all what happened, something being meta is something that CAN work at the highest level. That era was more like "running 2-3 crabs and spamming them is beneficial for success meta" where as "crab meta" would be the majority of teams running one crab 70% of the time

[@justawilliamsfan]

and on top of that we have moved far from crab meta. the special and especially the combo of splash and crab is now much healthier than it was early in the game

[@bleachspl]

Call the tournament “Sorry Carbon”

[@jonassmith2479]

I mean, if the next patch doesn’t nerf Zooka to a point where it becomes bad then I think this might be a decent option.

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

I’d be fine with it being nerfed to shit tier but i don’t think it needs a ban if it’s nerfed to like ink storm level

[@PetikG]

It's incredible that just one slight buff can make everyone aware of how badly designed a special weapon has been all along.

[@LumeanTV]

It's kind of weird because like, wasn't Zooka really bad before? Then they buffed it and it 'became' really good? It seems like they're having a hard time balancing it out. **Im really liking all these responses. Thank you for sharing your perspectives, as someone who doesn't use it very much.

[@neocraftz1553]

@@LumeanTV Trizooka might've not been turbo bad before if you could aim it, hard to tell because we didn't have the experience with it that we do now. Like before people wouldn't really point blank zooka, now people know they can do that to get a kill and have 2 shots left. People also know how to curve their shots better, to shoot quickly so they can 2 shot with indirects, stuff like that. It became good when it went from 40 -> 60 damage AoE, which combos with a lot of things in the game and makes it a 2 shot with indirects instead of 3, at that point we also had a lot of carryover buffs with zooka weapons being 190p so it was much more spammable. That was probably peak zooka power I think. I don't think zooka's super poorly designed, but it is tough to balance 3 shots that can miss even if you aim directly at the target.

[@pishagerudo]

@@neocraftz1553 as someone who played zooka a lot back when it was "bad", i honestly think thats when it was best balanced and even when it Felt best, crazy plays with it were actually exciting cus they were more rare and took more effort yet at the same time werent impossible to pull off and u had to like. Work to get good at it. felt a lot more rewarding to use imo

[@durdleduc8520]

@@LumeanTV Zooka is one of those weapons that is awful to both play against and to play as. it has always been this way, all the buff did was make it even more annoying to play against.

[@agentblackbird9435]

My friend has always hated it since the start

[@PoorStargazer]

(Sorry Carbon Players)

[@WallKitty]

dozens of carbon hours down the drain 😔

[@superepiccoolgamer5858]

“It’ll probably be 150 one day if you really think about it” is the funniest thing I’ve heard this week

[@Aegisdex]

As a pencil player, yeah bring back crabs cause thats legit one of the few weapons that pencil cannot deal with. We can have a new trifecta of pencil beats jet, crab beats pencil so you allow other cooler weapons to play as pencil cannot do anything if it doenst have a zooka spammer, jet beasts crab so and if we get better jet options outside of bp and rapid (pls make 190). The inly problem is that in a zones only is that even with scu pencil has way more pressure on pencil maps. Without scu pencil can still pump out coolers but just not always in response to specials.

[@PenguinXD4]

The Sorella Brella with 90 damage

[@not_DJ_Ender]

Wait... he started cooking when he said we could start picking inkjet and zipcaster instead with crab being usable

[@Ottertje26]

If chara ends up setting up the tournament with his ideas, he better call it Chara's Cooking Coliseum

[@rusty62]

Basically banning squeezer too because people can choose to ban screen.

[@hugoshires5162]

A. People can’t “choose to ban screen”, they request a ban if they have accessibility issues with it B. Squeezer is a poorly designed main weapon and loosing it isn’t even as bad as essentially losing carbon

[@rusty62]

I think people are banning screen even though they don't have a valid reason. The vast majority of sendouq sets have screen banned. If a player or team doesn't want to play against screen then there is nothing stopping them from banning it. Also squeezer isn't poorly designed, it's just a bit overtuned. Plus, every other mid range shooter is shit currently.

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

@@hugoshires5162 idc that it’s poorly designed you shouldn’t just straight up have both your weapons banned. People are iffy on weapon bans being applied to serious tournaments imagine straight up banning an entire weapon

[@theghostcreator776]

Based squeezer is an awfully designed weapon Also we ain't removing accessibility bans so stay seething

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

@@theghostcreator776 nah banning a weapon that people have spent around 2 games getting good at is crazy, especially because YOU think it’s badly designed

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

Could be an interesting gimic tournament

[@ajmoment8091]

Honestly though how cruel it was that they made pencil then gave it 2 deployment specials that act as quick ink refills. Honestly, if Pencil had a support special like vac or jet that takes away the main weapon I think it would be a pretty healthy support weapon.

[@2Spice2spicy]

Carbon then deserves a 3rd kit (which most likely won't happen)

[@hugoshires5162]

I mean, it wouldn’t really matter simply because it wouldn’t have burst bomb, maybe if the kit was really strong then it could be ok but at the end of the day carbon just needs burst bomb

[@2Spice2spicy]

@@hugoshires5162 I feel fizzy could help it paint but yea, nothing beats burst

[@v0idvice640]

@@hugoshires5162honestly that’s just a testament to how horrifically shit carbon is as a main weapon

[@elton8427]

5:26 that was personal 😭

[@gritilazz_3478]

the main thing about this is that all the oppressive top tiers with zooka are so similar to other top tiers, shot doesnt have to go to ttek, it still has splash and gal, squeezer can go to 96, 52, or one of the other many midlines in the meta. Tent doesnt have it that bad, and while carbon absolutley does, there are still other slayers that are similar enough, but is still a pain for people who love the weapon.

[@FinnishArsonist]

a more unfortunate downside about tent is that we lose access to a really cool playstyle - the mines let tent go much more aggressive

[@roycks12]

Who would've thought that just one buff to a B tier special made it the most opressive special in the game. It's almost like when pencil first game out and people thought it was pathetic, well look at where we are now.

[@blitzkrieg5584]

"Devs really like vcarbon kit for some reason" yea cause its one of the most fun kits in the game

[@prestonandtom9337]

The downside is both Squeezers are banned.

[@Ayacakes95]

"Downside"

[@theghostcreator776]

Cooking ngl

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

@@Ayacakes95nah squeezer is broken but we do not need to ban both of them. If it were a splatoon 3 exclusive weapon then there’d be no skill from past games carried over but now people have practiced it for more than 1 game

[@agentblackbird9435]

It’s more of a kind of I’d say. Whether or not green squeezer is allowed is based on whether or not the tournament has screen banned (I specify tournament because I know sometimes people will just say “our member X has problems with screen, can you not use screen weapons?”)

[@v0idvice640]

that’s an upside what are you talking about

[@user-hb1ek9tm7z]

Banning Zooka and no charge up pencil will make a better ballpoint meta and that would be amazing

[@coastline_bow]

tri stringer would be a bit better as crab gets better

[@katsoupman3218]

The only downside to squeezer is that sometimes they just don’t get to play their weapon because of accessibility issues, thx Nintendo

[@theghostcreator776]

Genuinely good job for actually blaming Nintendo instead and of the people actually hurt by the special There's a lot of people who don't do that

[@katsoupman3218]

@@theghostcreator776 That makes me disappointed actually But then I remember a lot of that is from Twitter & that’s just normal there, so I feel a bit better

[@katsoupman3218]

But also how in the hell do people actually be like “how DARE you be triggered by the audio/triggered by the visuals/be colorblind/literally anything else that isn’t the person’s fault in any way”

[@agentblackbird9435]

Pretty much agree with you. As someone who uses both Squeezers often, knowing that both would be banned due to possible Zooka and Screen bans just makes me more annoyed at Nintendo for not thinking out Screen more

[@CrisEdmundson]

I 100% wanna watch that tournament if at all possible

[@stevieie2837]

Brellas get to cook more because Zooka can't shoot over the shield for no reason I think running a tourney with Zooka and Screen banned would be worth seeing

[@toasture9119]

You should do a video theorizing on what specials would replace zooka in zooka kits, it would be really interesting even if its purely hypothetical

[@Exofrick]

we should have a trial tournament where zooka is banned to see how this goes

[@TazzieVioletta]

Upcoming Chara tournament? Booyah!

[@justawilliamsfan]

honestly yes. run the tournament. it would be so awesome to see where it goes

[@Captain0ct0]

This is the definition of cooking

[@kannyobi7523]

I wanna hear other top players thoughts about this! You should have a blot talk episode abt it or smth!

[@tiny_M]

Love seeing the splashdown love lol.. coming in to s3 and loving the enperries without knowing why ppl didn't like splashdown was a trip 😂 I am saying this right after the "OMG this special is broken" moment so maybe it will fail later in the vid lmao

[@NomNom-qs1mu]

Maybe try this in a new IDYLL? Would indeed be cooking

[@user-xo6mv9ed4v]

I like the idea of just saying “if someone presses the special button with Zooka at any point, doesn’t matter if accident or not, they instantly lose the game/set”, that way Carbon can still exist, but I can see how that can be a TO nightmare

[@lovemykids570mommyvlogger]

I think just banning double zooka in tourneys would be fine

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

And we should have free tourneys, with everything unbanned

[@crashur3600]

Prochara: It's the only part of the meta we don't like right now, everything else is fine. Players who main weapons that have been unpopular in the competitive meta for longer than Trizooka has been a defining part of it: 😒 Personally I think Tacticooler needs nerfs, because once they nerf Snipewriter it's just gonna be Tacticooler hell for backlines.

[@Rootof-2]

RUN THE TOURNEY

[@hydrodemon939]

As an Inkbrush main (killer wail 5.1 kit) I learned just how much of a counter 5.1 is to crab and zooka. The reduced mobility leaves them more vulnerable to the 5.1.

[@WitherSnow]

It's funny I was just thinking how cool it would be to do a tournament where you ban Cooler. Edit: Also V Carbon isn't bad, it's just super outclassed by it's older brother. But if D Carbon had Ink Mine Reefslider, I think we'd be humming a different tune. I really want Kensa Carbon to get Custom Jr.'s kit. I also want Reefslider and Zooka's wind up times to be swapped. Maybe give Slider a recall.

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

v carbon is absolutely bad, carbon is horrible without burst bomb.

[@armoredanteater609]

only carbon gets to have zooka. world peace

[@pishagerudo]

no downside for me as a shot player since i find ttek kit more fun than vanilla like actually i want an excuse to pick it instead

[@inkdot0347]

the only thing here other than carbon L is that both squeezer's kits could be completely banned in many tournaments (zooka and screen)

[@user-wh7bk6ys7y]

People didn't ban missiles/stingray in splatoon 2 when they were also clearly extremely unhealthy for that game. Not saying banning zooka is a bad idea, but why do one but not the other?

[@1unar_eclipse]

The Splatoon community is far more averse to bans than something like Smogon. Screen's accessibility issues caused the first widespread ban, and while that was for accessibility, it did get people to realize "oh wait we _can_ just ban stuff" outside of gimmick tournaments.

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

@@1unar_eclipseif the tournament has weapons banned it’s a gimic tourney

[@micahdapelo7020]

I already dropped V shot for t tek lol. That's my version of a middle finger towards zooka. Also, as much as I hate pencil rn, I don't think we should can charge up on pencil. I say we reduce how well it stacks on it instead. And I mean by a lot.

[@Enperry22]

I'd be happy if they got rid of zooka,just let me 4 star the deco glooga and my fun with zooka will be gone,besides I'd really like to add the 4 stared glooga deco to my challenge of 4 staring 40 weapons before the end of the year(I'm exactly at 25 right now)and if possible,I could have ultra stamp on tenta brella and killer wail 5.1 on machine,if this actually happened,I'd be a happy camper

[@GhostOli]

I love predicting what hes gonna say just Me, pausing the video: It would open up more weapons, wouldnt it? Bc ppl aren't picking zooka? Chara. Immediately after I click play: It would open up more weapons

[@Velocity_6410]

No charge up would theoretically included tenacity for the 3 people who like it right?

[@Velocity_6410]

This aged well

[@Timbit901]

Tbh is the charge up block even necessary? At that point crab can be ran to invalidate the pencil, so the coolers arent as useful and the pencil cant break crab

[@HowlingWolfy..]

I feel bad for carbon players 😢

[@RitterDerHaselnuss]

As a Carbon player I still kinda approve of this. But I think that's mostly because my main weapon is still the Splatterscope. I get flashbacks of zookas killing me that I couldn't hear before

[@BLAKE-213]

Stamp does suck in online, but in my opinion it’s one of the best side order specials

[@Drake_Waffle]

As a Carbon main I totally understand, if Nintendo wont fix things correctly then the community should do things to try to fix it themselves if possible

[@runic6668]

Teams are only allowed ONE zooka in a game

[@Tarinnnn]

bc then i have to play tent vac 😞

[@legamofz-nc6gx]

This as an idea is good but i personally feel like although zooka is bad for the game. That type of long range poke is a good counter to back lines. Pencil is the real issue right now because it’s allowing all these zookas

[@floofykxtty]

no zooka tournament when?

[@InfiniTyy11]

Man if zooka gets banned I can’t play squeezer at ALL 😭😭😭

[@riverbean1622]

More crabs = bow buff = :D

[@dust_scout3308]

Admittedly, yeah...Carbon Players are gonna suffer a fair bit. The Burst Bomb's additional damage assurance and mobility is an addicting aspect of the Burst Carbon kit. The loss of the Deco kit in a Zooka ban would be a nasty blow. Although, I can't say Carbon players are totally doomed per say. VCarbon in 3, in my casual opinion, the best non-burst Carbon's ever been. Autobomb is slow and easy to deal with for an attentive foe, but it's still something to take into account. It's cheap, it lingers if someone doesn't deal with it right away, and it forces some focus away from what an opponent wants. And finally Zipcaster. Yes, Zooka is the better and straightforward long range option, but I can't fully discount Zip for having something that even Inkjet doesn't have as a recall special. And that's greater flexibility. Zip does have its predictable paths and when being obvious with the zip usage, and yeah, folks will see it from a mile away if you announce your Zipcasting presence. While Inkjet forces use of the jetpack and cannon, Zip can allow for more than two main approaches. There's the obvious high path, or you can slip low to hide under cover with the lower walls, or even just not zip at all during the duration. Value and mileage may vary, but I've been experimenting with Carbon's Zip for a while and there's some tactical advantages Carbon (and by extension other Zip weapons) can take advantage of. You can stay grounded and do basically most of Carbon's fighting options during Zip's duration, which can be a potential boon in making an otherwise non-threatening short-range weapon into an immediate problem for an inattentive backliner. Add in the capability to pursue with Zip and bam! A Carbon that can not only splat up close, but also rush quickly to the backline and cause defensive trouble. Carbon's 160p Zip may not always get its value for each use, but it can become a consistent menace that should be shut down at the earliest opportunity on sight. All in all, Autobomb spamming is probably the least dangerous tactic about VCarbon. VCarbon does have those obvious disadvantages compared to Deco; less standard mobility options, can struggle in infiltration on its own, and, most importantly, less lethal range than the Deco. Burst Bomb adds to the potential lethal range of a Carbon Roller, allowing more leniency for instances where falloff damage occurs or a flick is done a little too early on the approach. Burst adds that much to the main weapon, that much I can understand. Which just leaves one main option to VCarbon, stealth. Stealth is a little less viable in the eagle-eyed competitive scene for several reasons, including audio cues for sharking players if I recall correctly. So VCarbon also has to stay on the move and be able to get themselves close enough to strike hard and fast. I find VCarbon a lot more passive than Deco, waiting for a good moment to go in and do its work. Of course, that waiting time can be problematic when the enemy has advantage. Nothing hurts more than to see an approach coming, but have no quick means of stopping a part of it, unlike Deco's Burst and Zooka kit. When I look at the Carbon Rollers now, I tend to think of horror mechanics. Deco is pretty much the sudden lethal blow, the surprise jumpscare that gives one or two scares before slipping away to the shadows. VCarbon I think more encompasses the slower mechanics most of the time, building tension and fear before making its thorough and climatic strike against the victim. And during Zip, VCarbon can also somewhat embody the typical chase scene too. But that's my unconditioned piece on VCarbon. Yeah, it's not as aggressive or consistent as Deco. There's no way around it. Its playstyle is arguably too slow for Splatoon 3's competitive pace, especially since it does rely on stealth to reach into its lethal range. It's not an impossible task, but I acknowledge that it is a lot harder to give consistent value compared to the Deco's more consistent splatting range.

[@looneylex_]

As a carbon player I would pinky promise not to pop zooka plus I get like only 2 a game

[@carlos41519]

I dont watch competitive but why not just limit comps to one zooka weapon per team? And if gear abilities are an issue, prohibit certain builds. Try it out and see how ppl feel about it

[@DosDeAsada69]

I even agree with baning all zooka except for carbon. Making carbon the only zooka option might make it overused but it ain't that good at spamming it so

[@weewoo3023]

Picking up v carbon rn

[@Sillybilly614]

splashdown so op

[@osiohanu8166]

I think letting carbon and tent stay is fine. All other zooka weapons have another good kit to rely on, these 2 don’t. They barely get and can’t farm at all. And by nature of their main weapons, can’t even be picked in nearly as many comps as shot can. I honestly think all the benefits will still reap even with these two.

[@Mad-Goose]

Even if Tent can't get many of them, people would 100% make it into a zooka spamming weapon if you allow it. Vtent still gets picked anyways in top-level, even if its only occasionally, so it would still see use even in zooka-less meta.

[@Agent_27_]

People would just use red pencil and run zap/edit (or dynamo if you’re good)

[@tomatoblate2170]

There’s lots of other back lines that are just as good if not better than Red Pencil, so I doubt that it would become a problem

[@eghapee2267]

But I love gloogas and I don't enjoy wall weapons, what about that :3

[@d.g4466]

Yo as somebody who plays most these weapons how drk u rn Chara

[@d.g4466]

I ain’t even disagreeing for chats or his stand but as a drnk range/ dread plyer I ageee lmao 🤣

[@cubecubed335]

This is why we let bro cook

[@meowwwwwwwwmeo]

1:11 no way someone using the v sblast in 2024😭

[@coffee_2234]

Nah don't diss that weapon pls

[@ItzAxolotlPlays]

shut up cheese

[@Olavi_VLIi]

There’s really nothing wrong with it… Yes, the ‘91 kit is better, but if someone would want to use the ‘92 kit, that’s completely fine.

[@sonicrunn3r895]

It's a fun weapon, bringing it into X rank is a bit questionable though

[@meowwwwwwwwmeo]

​@@Olavi_VLIi people play what they want sure, but as someone above said in x rank? crazy man, slider is only ok with zone cheeze and it ain even zones

[@drageoksllechtim2078]

Wait how cool would it be if you only got a certain amount of specials per game and there was a cool down in between them. You don’t have to paint for them or anything you just have to manage how often to use ut

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

That’d just make the game more boring

[@drageoksllechtim2078]

@@HeDronHeDronHedron it’d force people to use their main guns instead of spamming specials to force an advantage

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

@@drageoksllechtim2078 it’d also homogenize every single weapon in the game. Weapons should feel different to play and each weapon getting different amounts of specials makes them feel unique

[@drageoksllechtim2078]

@@HeDronHeDronHedron Never Said each weapon should get the same number of specials, but it’d at least make some weapons have to do more than just paint the map and spam an annoying special just to get value

[@drageoksllechtim2078]

@@HeDronHeDronHedron don’t really see how changing the special system would homogenize weapons either, kits and weapon stats are what makes a weapon unique, points for special should really only impact the balance of each kit

[@gagabmx2k129]

Let carbon have zooka just ban charge up and special saver

[@gritilazz_3478]

stay with me now...

[@LumeanTV]

You've upset the one clash blaster player in chat (me) /j Zooka is dumb. I accidentally got a double kill twice. The hit box and arc are so damn weird.

[@undynesgaming9462]

I really dont understand why they brought back zooka in the first place but also forgot about the good nerf they gave it in s1.... Smh

[@skyjumper4097]

i agree

[@guillermocervisalmeron2209]

Make crab player get kill when killing the crab and we talk about getting it again to the meta

[@Grenze_Splatoon]

What if… we just cape the max amount of zookas to three or five?

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

How

[@Grenze_Splatoon]

@@HeDronHeDronHedron what do mean how? Just play the game normally and don’t use more than a certain amount of zookas.

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

@@Grenze_Splatoon you could accidentally press your right stick, also if you zooka and then die to some random zooka you are now permanently at a disadvantage even though you didn’t get to zooka

[@Grenze_Splatoon]

@@HeDronHeDronHedron ok well I literally took half a second to come up with the idea and if you aren’t open to more weapon diversity without arguments, then don’t be open to more diversity without arguments. Without zooka, were essentially getting rid of two weapons (carbon and tent) that healthy zooka weapons. This way, we keep the good ones that don’t use too often anyway and limit the bad ones that often spam it. I’m sorry for coming up with a solution to our problem but I don’t believe in total bans in most cases.

[@carlos41519]

Id say just limit 1 zooka weapon per comp.

[@epacgames9197]

Can we keep VClash though? If we're keeping Carbon, VClash should also get a pass. Thank you.

[@Wafflespl]

If this does happen, we should let the carbon players keep using it or just have them never press the special button.

[@Lima_does_stuff]

U would t even need to ban carbon specifically, it cant spam zooka, at least not enough to shape the meta anyway

[@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932]

I don't think zooka is nearly as good as specials from previous games (like basically all of them in S1, or Stingray and Ink Armor in S2, or Missiles in S2 and early S3). And there was never any talk of banning any of those. It serves a valid role in the game, even if it is a bit overtuned. The fact that alternatives exist doesn't mean it's worth restricting things and removing the ability for some weapons to deal with certain situations. Also, regarding Squeezer, what if you're in an event where Foil Squeezer is banned due to the problems with Splattercolor Screen? 5:42 You mean except for pencil, which you propose to nerf by banning zooka instead of by nerfing or restricting/banning pencil? And except for Tacticooler as a whole (the lack of losing special charge on death is part of what's enabling the zooka spam in the first place, after all)? And except for the lack of viable kits (which you apparently seek to reduce even further)? And except for the weakness of many subs and specials in general?

[@buzzy4227]

vanilla carbon is not that bad and I will die on this hill

[@superepiccoolgamer5858]

the argument that these bans will lead to less weapon diversity falls apart when you look at something like smogon/competitive pokemon singles. They ban stuff from their tiers to enable more diversity, because if there’s a centralizing option, people will always pick that instead of being creative. Definitely run a tournament with this

[@raykurtovicy3734]

Needs to happen but the community is too scared to do it so we're all cooked

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

it does not need to happen rn but a gimic tournament with all zooka banned could be cool

[@remyxedfern5008]

Let him cook

[@remyxedfern5008]

Like let’s just ban zooka except for carbon/tent

[@guillermocervisalmeron2209]

WTF its this gameplay?!

[@user-xp6kh7qe9r]

ban zooka allow 1 crab

[@user-xp6kh7qe9r]

also allow carbon squeezers have a second functional kit no scu for pencil is good 1 of each special on a comp not just crab

[@itera6043]

The problem with banning Zooka specifically is that it feels like other weapons being sacrificed for the problems with one weapon. We saw with the Fizzy nerfs(which were primarily directed at Machine) hurt a lot of other not as good fizzy weapons like Noveau Tri, VAerospray(lol) and Ballpoint, when again, the fizzy nerf was primarily directed at Machine since their playstyle was mostly centered around spamming fizzys. Making a global zooka nerf instead of banning shot would hurt all of the other not problematic zooka weapons. Carbon is gone, Tent is gone, and Mustard Gloogas are gone, even tho none of those weapons were seen as problematic in terms of zooka spam. And even if the sets for those weapons changed to include some special charge, it still wouldn’t have nearly as much impact as putting a main and a sub of special charge on Vshot or Vsqueezer. Bottom line is every zooka weapon shouldn’t suffer specifically just cuz of Vshot.

[@cosmy]

I think the difference is that zooka is good on every weapon it’s on (exceptions are weapons/kits that have other parts that don’t work and weapons that don’t get many) compared to fizzy being a problem on 1-2 weapons

[@max9940]

Idk man fizzy nerfs were a good thing I mean the sub was completely broken before and now it's just really strong. Also as chara brought up--most of these weapons aren't hurt by their zooka kit being banned.

[@itera6043]

@@max9940 I agree the fizzy nerf was a good thing, I’m saying the problem is that it hurt other weapons that actually needed fizzy like Noveau Tri for paint and Ballpoint for when it wasn’t using its main weapon(although to be fair even before the nerf u didn’t actively use fizzy on bp), while the primary reason for the fizzy nerf was to target Machine’s high usage.

[@unebaguette9745]

Let's first ban all zooka weapons except carbon and clash to see what happens After that we can decide if we ban zooka all together EDIT: I think squeezer is absolutely NOT fitting the "not spamming enough to be ban" Not only does carbon can't paint for it, it can't survive for it either (and it's comp dependant), squeezer can literally play it's range super defensively to get it's special more often than carbon. The problem with this weapon isn't just the zooka, it's also that it's way to good of a main to have a broken special like it!

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

Nah the problem here is zooka, squeezer is 220p, it won’t be able to just have an on command zooka like vshot

[@unebaguette9745]

@@HeDronHeDronHedron yeah so ban squeezer but not carbon (cuz carbon is actually a balanced main weapon)

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

@@unebaguette9745 if we banned everything that was unbalanced we wouldn’t have any weapons left

[@DriftmadefromN]

Chara fixing the game because Nintendo won't is crazyyyy

[@mallrat.22]

If the maps were good this game cooler would be able to be nerfed cuz I personally don’t like it ☠️..

[@drageoksllechtim2078]

Carbon players like this comment to petition this 😭 I can’t go back to vroller I suck with ittt

[@splatoonfan11]

ban

[@probablygeneric429]

Maybe just ban pressing the zooka button so Carbon players can still play the game

[@NotSnak]

At that point youd be better off not using it

[@probablygeneric429]

@@NotSnak It got away with autobomb launcher in splatoon 2. Yeah it would be worse, but it would still be useful.

[@NotSnak]

@@probablygeneric429 atleast in splat 2 while autobomb launcher sucked it was atleast usable. If you ban using zooka you're better off just playing a diff weapon than the carbon