LR restorer explains why Land Rovers last longer than Land Cruisers

Series Magic Ep1 - In this episode I visit one of Australia's newest businesses dedicated to series Land Rovers. Consisting of a band of full and part time enthusiasts and experts, Series Magic has been helping bring series 1, 2, 2A and 3 Land Rovers either back to life or maintaining their presence on the road, restoring and repairing heirlooms, barnfinds and faithful workhorses for over five years now.
With a growing band of owners, attracted by the rugged good looks, go anywhere reputation and sense of occasion offered by this classic British vehicle, Series Magic is fast becoming the go to location for any work needed done on series Land Rovers in Australia.
Twice weekly visits to classic auto workshops featuring cars from the veteran to RADwood eras & including car restoration, rebuilds, repairs and restomods to anything from Aussie V8s, American muscle cars, Euro exotics, JDM, your coveted everyday runabout and more. If it's built before 1999, there's every chance I'll film it.
My name is Dave and I simply l love old cars and visiting workshops to chat to the people working on them. Added to that, I devour car content on youtube so I thought I'd join in and make some myself.
Hopefully you might like to come along for the journey as well.
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[@ramblingprose6603]

It has been said that some 75% of the Landrovers ever made are still on the road. Others made it home.

[@markrainford1219]

Whooosh......tumbleweed....

[@barberton3695]

😂😂

[@bientamangan7796]

Fake news

[@motherslove686]

Hahaha .. 😊

[@samrodian919]

Lol

[@jakehoward4755]

My daily runner is a series 2a LWB Owned it 20 years now, flipping love driving an tinkering with it. Simply the best!!!!!

[@stevendouglas6593]

If they do last longer, and I’m not saying they do, it’s probably because only enthusiasts own them. They just keep replacing parts as they fail (and they fail regularly) to keep the old girl on the road. Surely, no one in their right mind believes a Land Rover would last longer than a Land Cruiser with only routine maintenance.

[@shiftmotorsports9803]

So, Land Cruiser owners aren't enthusiasts, and they don't do the same with their vehicles? Do you think Toyotas have "forever parts" that never need replacing? Do you think every Land Cruiser on the road has original parts? Your theory is like Swiss cheese. Edit: A popular thing to do with the FJ was to pull the original motor out and drop a Chevy 350 in it. How does that make you feel? 😆

[@dustyfarmer]

@@shiftmotorsports9803 A popular thing to do to Landrover's was to rip out the engine & drop a Holden red motor in it. Hows that make you feel?

[@shiftmotorsports9803]

@Dusty Farmer Great! I'm an automotive enthusiast, not a brand enthusiast. Holden (GM) makes good engines (most of the time)

[@dustyfarmer]

@@shiftmotorsports9803 You don't get a better Landy engine swap than a Holden red motor. 179, 186 or 202 6 cylinders were reliable, plentiful, cheap & the choice picks & found their way into Landrover engine bays. Fairy overdrives were another must have upgrade to both Landrovers & 4 speed Landcruiser's back in the day. I've had both but I reckon from about 1978 Landcruiser's left everything in their dust in every respect.

[@peterharden4777]

All 4 of those owners who kept the original rover 6 pot are rubbing their hands together, they are becoming as rare as hens teeth!

[@keith6360]

I’ve been fortunate enough to have owned from both manufacturers. I used to own a LC70 with a 1HZ for 8 years and only thing that constantly need mending was the AC. That’s outside regular maintenance and service intervals. I currently own a defender 90 300tdi for 13 years now and you have a few small surprises of things breaking but nothing that has left me stranded. My experience says the LR just needs a little bit more constant “care”. I love my LR more though, and that’s because of the community.

[@garypeatling7927]

300 TDI does about 50% more miles to gallon than equivalent Toyota love them

[@johnchristopher5075]

The big difference maintenance wise between a 21 year old Land Rover and a Land Cruiser of the same age, is once the maintenance on a LC100 is done, you can forget about it for the next 21 years.

[@buschtaxi75driver55]

@@garypeatling7927 erm.....not really ! I know that 'cause I have owned both of 'em ! With my 300 TDI Landy, I did use about 10 -11 liters per 100 km, with the Troopy HZJ 75, I need about 12-14 liters. What I can say is that the Troopy is much more reliable. It has never ever let me down so far which unfortunately, I can't say about the Landy :o( However, I do love them both !

[@buschtaxi75driver55]

erm...who needs AC anyway. This is only for wimps :p Quite funny, I did go the other way. Used to have 300 TDI Landy and now, running a HZJ 75 Troopy. Luv 'em both but the Troopy is much more reliable. The Troopy has never ever let me stranded but the Landy has several times unfortunately :o( There is also a great Buschtaxi community by the way !

[@keith6360]

@@buschtaxi75driver55 don’t make yourself sound so ignorant, AC is essential in the tropics especially with family on board. I’m sure you’d want your family comfortable.

[@vikingrogaland2844]

My job as an 11 years old boy back in Cameroon, when I rode with my uncle in his Land Rover diesel, was to keep my hands on the gear shifter to keep the thing in place, otherwise it would jump out of gear all the time. Cool cars indeed. My father who was a pastor, had to overhaul the gearbox in a remote village to get back home. Those cars were a pain in the butt for many missionaries, so they preferred Toyotas when they had the chance to find one.

[@freedom_aint_free]

Divine wisdom have been served indeed! I would have another hole in my skull before I have a Land Rover, Toyota reliability beats them every single day of the week and twice at sundays.

[@markelliott6105]

Ok, the aluminium! Title is totally clickbait but the real point of this is about being an enthusiast. It's as hard to be an enthusiast with a new Defender as it is with an LC300. But with an old series Land Rover or FJ40 (or basically any old car) you could actually fix things without a bank of computer analytics on hand. The reward of getting your car back on the road, or better than it was before is what makes a car enthusiast.

[@reinmansmith]

Well said, the cars and motorbikes that are over 30yrs old now can be ‘tinkered’ with and kept going by anyone with a little knowledge and a set of spanners. Anything newer and you start to get into more and more electronics and, as you say, modern cars you need a computer to do anything to them 😢

[@kev8943]

but depending on where you are you can still get a land cruiser 70 series.

[@kixigvak]

I had surgery in California and couldn't face the airplane ride home to Alaska so I bought an Isuzu Trooper and drove the 3500 miles home. The plan was to sell the Trooper in Alaska but I liked it so much I kept it. Drove it for ten years. Despite its abysmal reputation it was a good car.

[@777jones]

Isuzus were like Land Rovers that actually started, ran and drove.

[@ZoomStranger]

er... thanks for sharing this story about a completely different vehicle - and your surgery.

[@kixigvak]

@@ZoomStranger A Trooper is hardly a completely different vehicle. It's in the same category but considered to be inferior. I covered wars where Land Rovers (mostly of the British Army or the BBC) were going up and down the roads with Land Cruisers, Troopers, Jeeps, and the odd Mercedes or Daimler. It's interesting to compare them. I even had a Soviet Lada Niva for a while. I prefer Land Cruisers.

[@ruddthreetrees1104]

@@kixigvak troopers have bad rep? The 3.1 isn't a great engine but the 3l izusu is indestructible. People here used to love them.

[@ZoomStranger]

@@kixigvak Thanks, sounds good, but Abba was a soulless business which very successfullly formularised the most mediocre musical tastes possible. Made a Unimog load of money, but that didn't make it any better a listening experience. When my landy was made, The Rolling Stones put out their first album and not too many grannies bought that. Horses for courses, innit? Probably get yourself a cruiser, enjoy that & vids about them... Peace to you, me old groover

[@MrChrissy1r]

As a younger man I had several "Landies" including the /safari and defender, but my all time absolute gem, which I bitterly regret selling on was a shorty series2a. The previous owner had kept it totally standard except the engine had been rebuilt to a very high spec for hill climbing competition, so it was as smooth as silk. I took off the standard carburettor and fitted a new twin downdraughts Webber, that made the fuel consumption much lower, I fitted town and country tyres nice cloth seats a decent heater and a little soundproofing. In all it drove like a car, but off road it would knock spots off of all the fancy Chelsea tractors the big U.S trucks etc and had the heart of a lion. On one occasion an articulated lorry had jack knifed and half slid off of the roadway on a factory estate and sunk in the soft mud, the lady that owned the factory complex , ( I had my workshops on her farm) came round and asked if I could take the tractor to help move the lorry, Well I had 4 x 1 hundredweight bags of ballast in the back of the Landie, and a huge tyre strapped to the front bull bars, as we lived right out in the countryside and and the snow that year was astonishing, anyhow I drove round to the lorry and the lorry driver pointed to my Landie and laughed out laud Ha ha ha and what do you think you are going to do with that Dinky toy? I ignored the remark hooked up my 1 1/2" inch thick very springy tow rope jumped in my motor all this while he stood grinning and mocking , dropping into 4 wheel in low ration and reversed, dragging the lorry with me,, the look on that driver silly face was reward enough, shocked, he certainly was, and dashed to ge into the cab, he was as red as a beetroot. Job done I poodled off to my warm workshop. Bless you Matilda, ( I have no idea why she was called Matilda, she just was) I loved that motor, hope she is still going strong somewhere. Recently I looked into getting another, but the prices here in the U.K are ridiculous seriously many thousands of GBP, were I younger and had a bigger workshop I would go for a poor one and do yet another rebuild, I had over the years rebuilt and upgraded 3 in all and also put a new chassis on a safari.

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

Thank you Chris. I wonder how you could find out if Matilda was still about.

[@retydown7521]

@@davesclassicgaragetours Easy in the uk if he remembers the reg he can use the DVLA mot and tax data base its open to any one.

[@MrChrissy1r]

@@davesclassicgaragetours If I found her I couldn't afford her, prices of these gems have rocketed as I'm sure you know.

[@90210sky]

4:05 Your shop is awesome, just one comment, that material is not for sound proofing, it is for vibration dampening and it does a great job doing that, it will eleiminate any metal panel vibration, but the diesel engine noises will still get into the cabin without any problem. To really isolate the cabin from road and engine noise to a very comfortable level you need to add a layer of MLV (Mass loaded vinyl). Both materials need to be used at the same time as their combined strengths synergise great.

[@NathanNostaw]

If only I was more local, I'd love to be a part time helper. I can only imagine how nice it would be to work on land Rovers in a shed on a nice floor and to even have a hoist. Luxury!

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

They all certainly seem to be happy in their jobs at SEries Magic.

[@richardsmith5249]

I was told, many years ago, that there were two manmade objects that could be seen from space. One was the Great Wall of China, and the other was the panel gaps on a Land-Rover.

[@johnchristopher5075]

I’ve owned and driven both and I would bet my life on a LC all day long!

[@MrCarrera28]

Remember the old saying, what do you need to get a bogged Landrover out in the bush? A Landcruiser!

[@avit24]

Land cruiser every day... they are still owed by the country they were devised in.. not like lr who had to be bought up!

[@swanny8869]

@@MrCarrera28 There's an Australian expression, "If you want to go into the bush, take a Land Rover. If you want to get out of the bush, take a Land Cruiser."

[@kenwatson7885]

Land rovers are Iconic symbols of motoring history whereas Land cruisers are overpriced buckets of rust that don’t last anywhere near as long!

[@johnchristopher5075]

@@kenwatson7885 My LC100 has lasted 22 years and with a bit of maintenance and TLC, I have no doubt that it will last another 22 years.

[@mikesarling4002]

This guy is so passionate about Land Rovers! Great video from Oz.

[@MrPropanePete]

I had a Series 2A canvas top SWB back in the late 60's. I bought it in Melbourne for $1100 and went everywhere in it. Wish I had it now, should have kept it.

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

It’s a pity there’s no way of finding out if it still exists.

[@philiprufus4427]

Bought my first Landrover in !972 it was a series 1 1955 86" some git had fitted a ring pull gearbox,however the later models had the freeweel operated by the yellow lever. Big surprise when going down a steep slope offroad and you thought you were in four wheel drive if you did,nt know. Had access to an Austin Champ at the time as well,magic vehicle. Throw the Scottish country side into that and we youngsters had a ball in those days' Met loads of Aussies and New Zealanders too,they were almost as common in Scotland back then as Scots,good laugh. Good to see the Aussie's getting as much a buzz out of the Rovers as Brits. Know the New Zealanders like em too. Met one bloke and his ladyfreind touring UK in one.

[@dash4177]

Im in Australia too and even though I love the look of a defender if my life depended on my car getting me through the Simpson Desest in 40c+ degree days I would be driving a Land Cruiser. Landcruisers here are the number 1 4wd vehicle for a reason , they just get the job done 97% of the time. I wouldn't take a Discovery particularly an early petrol one anywhere near a remote location. I used to be in the auction trade and the number of petrol Discovery's we would see was quite amazing. And they usually arrive on top of a tow truck. I suspect the reason why old Land Rovers are still found is because the people that love them baby them and pamper them, LandCruisers get used and used hard by their owners. Saying that a trad Defender does look cool.

[@ZoomStranger]

with respect, I suspect you suspect incorrectly. Both early products are sturdy vehicles driven within their limitations - will take your advice on the discos but then again a friend of mine just spent SIX THOUSAND DOLLARS on a fresh for his 15-20 yo Landcruiser. I've not dropped that on a single item in 41-42 years with my Landy and I have to say it gets used: probably 7 weeks ago I drove her with 1.9 tonnes of dolomite back up into the Adelaide hills. Mind you, lucky for low range 🙂

[@zororosario]

Excellent choice review of an old classic from way back , remember falling asleep in the 70s listening to land rovers coming down the street. This was in HK and these were police vehicles that ran about at all hours. The give away on paved roads was the resonances the issued Dunlop's gave out you could hear! No other noises from those chassis's. The British army stationed there had those same tires, great but noisy in the dry.

[@neilbaston7593]

Having grown up with early Rovers and the 1st Landcruiser in the bush in the 60's where it was a novelty to travel on road, I can tell for sure your back would last longer in a Cruiser !

[@buschtaxi75driver55]

Of course, everybody knows that but I luv 'em both !

[@davidrussell8689]

It’s so good to see people doing things well . Looks like a great place to work . Love Randrovers . Well done .

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

they certainly seem a reasonably happy bunch, regularly frustrated by the varying LR tolerances but happy

[@ZoomStranger]

Armchair critics can carry on with homilies about toyota superiority, but I've never remotely babied our Series 2a. The great majority of the 40+ years I''ve had it since the army sold it, she's been parked out in the weather, last time the roof was on our 16 year old was a baby. It gets a major birthday about every 15 years but most of the time it's extremely cheap to maintain - $5 for a new indicator lens. Some years she's a full-on daily driver come rain, hail or shine i.e. in 365 days including driving to work in "The Great Storm" here in Adelaide, maintenance for the year came to $119 including a new distributor. Ours is all original but for a ported head, extractors and electronic dizzy, and she does about 12mpg around town and 18-20 on the highway. I had a mate's diesel FJ45 for a few months and it was very solid but I found the ergonomics fell short on long trips (Adelaide to Alice, Alice to Townsville). You can sit all day in the Landy, but you absolutely know you've done say a 10 hour day with the windscreen on the bonnet. Both will reward empathetic hard use.

[@handycrowd]

Every dent tells a story as they say. I can't think of another vehicle ever really, which can wear it's dents and imperfections with the pride that a Landy can.

[@stephenruff4883]

Great tour and review, thank you.

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@andhewonders]

They're two entirely different vehicles, I've owned e ery series of Landrover, and three 60 series of Landcruiser, and comparing them is ridiculous, both are extremely strong in their specially.

[@trailingarm63]

Great film. Thanks.

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@kottomack]

well they do last longer...having broken down long ago and sitting in the shed since 😉

[@chrisstewart8259]

and the drive shafts and the clutches and the engines and the ,,,,,,,,rinse and repeat.

[@taylorlivingston5963]

Disco owner here. The LC completely outclasses LR products in reliability. LC Engines are stronger, Gear boxes are stronger and the onboard electronics are so much more reliable. Parts for my Discovery are cheap and plentiful in the UK. if they weren't I wouldn't bother with a LR product again.

[@jeremybentham7447]

Traveling through SA, you'll see most LC with either rotting or rebuilt bodies, running on original F's, 2F engines. I have a 72 FJ40 and the engine has never been rebuilt (but the floor was). Most of the bodies of LR's still on the road, IF they haven't had a crash, are pretty complete, thanks to the aluminum body but...they often had an engine and transmission swaps with rebuilt electrical systems. Back at home, in the PNW is common to see LR with Mercedes TDL or Ford/Chevy swaps. The most common reasons for having to replace the old rover v8 have been: overheating, warped heads, coolant leaking and difficulty procuring spare parts. On both accounts, is probably less of an issue if you live in the UK. But, for the rest of the world, maintaining a LR on the road is more of a hobby, while the ruggedness of the LC engine and parts availability still makes them a working proposition. Nowadays, the 70 series LC seems to be the workhorse in SA, the Taco/4Runner in North America. ( I do love the suspension, looks, and angles of the LR's, I just wish that they had more reliable mechanics and better parts availability...competion is needed).

[@coketey3372]

a lasting 4x4: a land rover body on a lc70 chassis with toyota engine

[@jeremybentham7447]

@@coketey3372 On a gasoline queque in rural SA, I just saw a RR body on a FJ-65 Chassis, Auto trans and 3F engine. Since I don't see Venezuelan's parts shops stocking conversion kits, I am sure it was all hand fabricated in a ma'&pa' shop. In the Industrial Los Guayos/Carabobo area, there used to be some of the best local restorers/rebuilders. They could even fabricate whole body panels, axles, gears, etc... One of my favorites was "Toyoda Restauraciones" which has, sadly, gone out of business during the COVID epidemic.

[@buschtaxi75driver55]

@@coketey3372 nope, aluminium body in contact with steel frame is not a good idea.

[@locodriver601]

You have a brush that had ten handles and ten heads but its still the same brush. I have owned a Mk2a reg number VEA339M and its still on the road I think. I now have a 25 year old land cruiser which is all original.. Good Luck from the UK.

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

So you have Trigger’s Broom Landy?

[@JohnSmith-ws1dp]

@@davesclassicgaragetours😂 was thinking the same thing 😂

[@allisspices3559]

I drive almost daily my LRover series 3 short for 18 years now. On and off to some short trips around and camping with LR group sometimes. Planning to drive overland around Malaysia and ASEAN soon. It’s a unique vehicle.

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

That sounds like an epic trip. Will you be documenting it on the socials at all?

[@allisspices3559]

@@davesclassicgaragetours maybe 🤔

[@SubTroppo]

My father worked at the Motor Packing Company in Coventry where CKD happened and Land Rovers & Massey Ferguson tractors were packed for export to Australia and other countries in the 1960's. I don't know how whether other sub-contractors were involved in export packing for these products. As a child I was amazed that a vehicle would be built and then taken apart for export when my dad told me what happened at work.

[@wildbikerbill6530]

During World War 2, American military truck manufacturers quickly figured out by doing a CKD they could fit six trucks in packing crates in the same space a completed truck filled. For them I believe the chief constraint was the need to ship military material was near infinite while available cargo ship space wasn't. Among other places, a plant was built in northern Iran that took the CKD trucks, put them back together, and subsequently delivered them to the USSR.

[@adoreslaurel]

I had a ride in the very first series around 1948, it was at a sheep spread in southern NSW. It was called Boonook station, F S Faulkner. proprietor

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

Wow, a seriously early one. Wonder if it's still about.

[@Rob-fx2dw]

Regarding CKD Land Rover imports there were concessional rates of duty including cars in the 1950's until the 1970's on goods from the UK compared with imports from elsewhere.

[@swagmanexplores7472]

I have Series 2 and Series 3 Land Rovers, A HZJ75 Troopy and a WW2 Jeep. My favourite is all three 😁

[@michaelmorgan499]

Worked in Perth in ‘88 on some ‘48 era Land Rovers which had a Lee Enfield rifle butt mounting fitted to the floor. The vehicles were in good condition and used daily. Chassis was as new not like the vehicles back in Ireland that were completely rotted out.

[@deanecarson2837]

Rebuildling a S3 109 and a FC 2A. Both with the 2.6l motor.

[@dpd6401]

I’d question your assertion that LR’s last longer than LC’s, but I understand your love of them. In the early 80s I was posted to an Army transport squadron and the RAEME still had a series 2 breakdown vehicle in use. Our other Landrovers were series 3s which I got to drive around Australia, albeit in quite discomfort, so I can appreciate LR quirkiness and appeal. Keep up the good work guys.

[@georgepppp533]

late bto comment. i had a 1968 2a swb diesel. I stuck foam carpet underlay to the roof (took it off, turned it upside down on lawn and stuck it down.) also on floor and in engine bay. Still quieter with door tops off!

[@scottatkinson4937]

Recently picked up a Series 3 tray back, 50+ kms a day. Compared to my past HJ75 & Patrol, although agricultural, I love it. 👍

[@LouSmith]

Aww! Nice film. My series one of 31years ownership was sadly stolen just before Christmas in London. They're just too valuable now and easy to steal unfortunately. So gutted.

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

Sorry to hear that. Hope you get it back.

[@LouSmith]

@@davesclassicgaragetours thanks.

[@stephenlee3390]

Bought a 1974 series III in San Diego, CA. Drove it to Seattle and back, then across country to Charleston SC. Only problem was finding parts in the USA.

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

An epic journey indeed.

[@wadenicholls1859]

Ive never had a landrover but my landcruiser went 18 years on the original brake pads.

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

Light foot and some serious downshifting going on there.

[@MikeMike-er7kn]

Mt Todd mine went to Defenders in the late 90's. Blown up diffs and gboxes every day of the week. Went back to landcruisers.....

[@avit24]

There's lc owners who have owned lr's before but there aren't lc owners who own lr's now!! Explains a lot!

[@buschtaxi75driver55]

yup, I'm one of 'em !

[@richardburns5925]

What you have to ask is, how many magazines, owners clubs, website's, rally's, shows, enthusiasts is there for the Landcruiser? How many Landcruisers do you see? How many body's and varients is there of series Landrovers, innumerable. Classless, timeless, loveable, ubiquitous, legendary, look at the depth of the box section chassis, alu paneled, go anywhere Britishness. My faves, series 1 109 pickup, 101 Forward Control and Stage 1 V8 in yellow.

[@Jonathandattermark]

Ehm, the LC has an enormous following. Just check out what Jonathan Ward is doing

[@logical_volcel]

LC's dont have the fluff because most of them are still in hard use like they were designed to do and didnt become show ponies for english people to carry on about, when was the last time you saw an 80s landrover still in use with a contracting company or on a farm towing a 20t roadtrain around?

[@richardburns5925]

@@logical_volcel all the time in the Peak District, never see a Landcruiser. Edale Mountain Rescue, National Park Ranger, Yorkshire Electricity, Utilities, Coast Guard, Farmers, Builders, Police, Royal Family, timeless, classless, Landrover. Can you please watch The Cars the Star, Landrover with Quintin Wilson, I watched it when it first screened nearly 30 years ago. Has your Toyota rusted away yet?

[@Jonathandattermark]

@@richardburns5925 Well in the rest of the world, apart from jolly old England, the LC is the obvious choice. Land Rovers are more a self-fulfilling prophecy to nostalgic brits than anything. Look around, the figures speak for themselves

[@richardburns5925]

@@Jonathandattermark Landrovers, shipped globally since 1948, introduced specifically for global export, not the home market. The government said to Rover after the war, build a vehicle to get our exports going and we'll lift the steel rations to your car assembly line. Built specifically for global I say global export.

[@rareknives]

in iceland a rust cruiser is the most popular car,i had a patrol y60 4.2 with 38" thats not big at us at all. is was not bad in the wintertime but now i just have 2 normal cars a volvo xc70 and a fiat panda 4x4 wild. the panda is just great i love it.but of course the 4x4 system of a steyr-daimler-puch what could be better ?!

[@samhunt9380]

One thing is for sure, everything worth doing in a 4x4 was done in a Landrover long before Landcruisers ever existed. Still waiting for a Landcruiser to do Dariens Gap. I guess they aren't game.

[@charlesnash2748]

I have had two series 2 90's. Ugh. Each had a key ring that looked like a jailer; every lock had a different key. Not a shred of insulation on the body panels. I was not sorry to sell either of them. I had a friend who was getting a PhD in anthropology in the late '60s. He picked up a new LR at the factory in the UK. Driving to his research area in eastern Turkey, the exhaust system fell off.

[@peterclancy3653]

I had a 1952 series one that I bought in 1974 and gave it to a restorer in 2003 and it was still a goer then. Best bush vehicle! Hot ,noisey and hard on the bum (horse hair filled seats)

[@cliveengel5744]

We dont have land-drovers anymore in Australia - they are not tough enough and the Engines are mediocre. Land Cruisers are the best and the Nissan Patrol. Powerful and with the Asin Transmission.

[@gazzafloss]

No LandRovers? Which Australia do you live in? Of course they're still available here.

[@person.X.]

@@gazzafloss Sure but for every LR there are 100 LCs!! LRs are hobby toys while LCs are serious vehicles that are used every day in their thousands on mines and farms across Australia.

[@jiggermast]

Enjoyable video & a really nice happy fella, garage workers & owners are more often than not, right miserable sods.

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

Thanks jiggermast. I must say, many of my hosts have been quite happy to have me around despite the workload they have and stresses they are under. Marcel was a great interviewee. I hope you can check out the follow up videos from Series Magic. You’ll be in for a surprise

[@gregatkinson5929]

Quite obvious landrover may last longer, when they are broken down they are not wearing out lol. Leaf springs are hard riding fact, landrovers lack space for reasonable size people, the cold goes straight through them & the heat, poor turning circle, not very strong brakes, leak oil and so on. But they have a charachter about them that draws people to love them, having owned a series 3 109 & a mint ex miltary stage 1here in NZ I know the love for them, I noticed range rover drivers hold their heads straight and high in the air, where as series owners acknowledge each other, Driving along oneday I was admiring a nice defender with a nice lady driving she acknowledged me in my Stage one. Here in NZ we had a lot of landrovers sold here of all types. Eventually I found landcruisers and especially the VX-80 series. NZ got all the big selection of Jap imports loaded with all the goodies. I have 2 VX-80's 90/91 models Triple lockers and factory winch's air cond coils space just the best & also the GU GQ patrols are Hot stuff. But I still turn my head to admire old landys. Old Landys have become very exspensive here now & buyers need to be aware dealers are jacking the prices.The last of my old landy parts stash became quite a lot more valuable when selling off recently. Here in NZ we are loaded with landcruiser parts on the 80 series. Old landy's on our farms rotting are becomming fewer now, I travelled many miles to bring home valuable landy parts. Old Landys are always popping up on TV shows. One joke was Why do Landy drivers drive with there arm out the window, no Room In The Cab. I am a big Land Cruiser Fan now but still watch and admire the Old Girls( Landy's). Here in NZ someone is filming old Landy's doing off roading stuff well worth looking up on You Tube, these adventueres show the abilities of the old landrovers going through there paces in some great countryside.

[@chrisstewart8259]

You can always tell a Landie owner at the pub. He drinks with his left hand cos all his knuckles are bandaged on his right! Who the hell designed that steering wheel set up!!!

[@johanweakley2658]

Cruiser fan here. I sold my LR because the noise it made breaking down at night while standing in the garage kept me awake 🤣🤣🤣. Jokes aside, the LR community is really great. But working in Africa environments with grueling conditions testing vehicles to the limit, Land Cruisers rule the roost.

[@leifvejby8023]

Land Rover - I had a 80" mk I at the millitary in the late -70s, and at the same time my brother happened to buy an 80" too!

[@pemj7360]

I use to work on land-rovers every thing from a fuel rank to half chassis replacement. Easy to work on big mechano set lol . I've owned quite a few 2 2a s3 101 forward control for a short while until I realised a v8 only does 12 miles to the gallon. If your lucky and a good wind behind you . Been looking to buy another but the prices have gone through the roof sadly 😥

[@marcecameron]

The prices have actually gone down a lot last six months

[@feelinghealingfrequences7179]

hahaha good wind

[@luigiaqua2263]

They last longer cause they usually will stay in garage waiting for repair. So after 20 years barely 20000 miles on odo.

[@caravaggiosaccomplice7841]

Some day when cars are strictly for pleasure it’s my series Landy that I’ll be driving along a sunny country lane.

[@erik_dk842]

Back in the early 90s when I owned a 1977 Moto Guzzi California, I swore that I could ride it around the world. That was because I had repaired every part of it, some of them several times. On my fuel injected Japanese bikes, I have no need to learn to repair them.

[@manofausagain]

As a fleet manager for a mine LC followers would be shocked to see how much it cost to keep one going in a mine. Every LC gets front bearings repacked every 10000k. Cvs last about 30000k. Gearbox on average 60000k etc... Constant problems with transfer cases getting stuck, rust in doors and roof and chassis cracks in maintenance vehicles because of the irregular loading. A/c problems abound. We upgrade shocks, springs, seats, and the steel wheels. HD clutches are fitted. We keep the GVM standard even though the suspension is upgraded. Standard tune. If you cross axle a LC you overload the standard rims!!

[@dustyfarmer]

That's why Landcruiser's used in mines use "minespec" rims like the Trak 2 & not standard rims, you should know that, working as a mine fleet manager & all.

[@manofausagain]

yeah mate, that's why it got a mention in the upgrade list.

[@57carpediem]

From the States here. Fascinating. I trust that you are in Australia? I've never seen a Land Cruiser used for such work. Evidently, the rest of the world has access to diesel and other Land Cruisers in various configurations that we are not familiar with. If possible, could you post a link of the type of vehicle that is typically used in the mine? I have no idea what "minespec" rims are as mentioned by Dusty Farmer. Also, I think the relevant comparison is to ask when these mechanical components would be serviced in a Land Rover product. I am astonished that front bearings need repacked at 10,000 km (~6,200 miles). Is there something specific about the mine dust or water that corrodes these components?

[@dustyfarmer]

@@57carpediem Yes Australia. Typo my end, Trak 2 rims. ROH wheels make the Trak 2 rims. They are heavier duty & rated to carry a heavier load. I run them on my Toyota VDJ79R which is a V8 turbo diesel that only is sold in Australia in that configuration. Mine dust is heavy in salt & iron etc & mines often water down haul roads to keep dust down & underground mines can be wet leading to accelerated corrosion. Ex mine Landcruiser's can be found on various vehicle auction sites like Pickles or Grays & often have ROPS rear bars, lots of reflective tape, big mudflaps front & rear & lots of rust everywhere. They are an expendable asset in mines.

[@person.X.]

As a miner that actually uses Landcruisers you would be shocked to see what we do with them :D 🤣

[@KaburuMNgariama]

That sound deadening material, whats the name of it and where can I buy it from?

[@gazzafloss]

There's a product called "Dynamat", available through commercial engineering suppliers.

[@jameshorsburgh5465]

Landys drive up into the Pilbara……….sweet nice trip. Tojos have been taking the hits up here for 50 years. They are the workhorse. In practical terms there is no comparison. They smash over the sharp Gibba rocks for years.

[@chrisstewart8259]

The Australian Iron Ore Mining Industry was built on the back of the Toyota Landcruiser at a time when Landies were very available - but nobody wanted them. In the real rocky stuff LRs break.

[@adoreslaurel]

Always wondered if the non synchro second gear was engaged just by sliding one gear into mesh [horrible way to do it] or if it was like the second to third minus the synchro cones.

[@marcecameron]

Sliding one gear into mesh with the other, without a synchro.

[@adoreslaurel]

@@marcecameron Gee, if its Teeth on Teeth seems like you could chip a tooth, I believe post war Rover cars were the same.

[@gjclark2478]

Never had a toyota but have had a seies2,3, range rover and currently drive a freelander 1. I love the fact of ease of maintenance of old stuff, lacking with computer laden tripe we see even in modern landys. Think most folk don't realise that this was intended mostly for farm use so wasn't really comparable to other 4x4's.( PTO,'s capstans and all that ) Never had a major problem with any apart from tinworm due to crappy UK weather. I do find it funny that on land rover videos you always get the haters come on stating wild claims about their jeeps, land cruisers and jimnys 😄😄 Never had a catastrophic failure of fail to start in mine even though I rarely service anything 👍

[@Land_Raver]

When you look at their profiles they all work for Toyota or sell them. I have seen a concerted effort over the years by Toyota owners to diminish the reputation of Land Rover.

[@chrisstewart8259]

@@Land_Raver and deservdly so. Land Rovers!! I'm in Australia these days, left UK in 73'. They cant give Land Rovers away over here. LR dealers all gone broke. Oz is too big and too rough for Landies. They are better suited to the smaller distance in Europe and established tracks. They fall apart over here. Good for taking rubbish to the tip, Just remember to leave it there. NB - I was a Land Rover mechanic in the UK. Cruisers/Patrols last longer.

[@ringo196]

Serious 1 was a 1600 originally as is mine

[@notundermywatch3163]

For Sunday riders maybe. But if you're actually working day in day out in harsh conditions and terrain out of these vehicles the LC is far more adequate.

[@ZoomStranger]

lived evidence says otherwise, me old watchie. In the end they are both fine. The tojo is a great vehicle with more creature comforts.

[@buschtaxi75driver55]

@@ZoomStranger erm...nope. Lived evidence here !

[@ZoomStranger]

@@buschtaxi75driver55 Have it your way - Toyotas are crap and have less creature comforts than Landrovers if you like. Who really cares?

[@buschtaxi75driver55]

@@ZoomStranger ...of course I have....and tomorrow you are telling me that the earth is flat or what ?

[@FormulaOneLeclerc]

Built earlier, surviving later. Amazing!

[@kev8943]

it's just Aluminium not rusting.

[@FormulaOneLeclerc]

@@kev8943 my point still stands

[@bernieanderson8118]

Where is the "Roo Bar" ? Cheers!

[@weaton25]

There are two good reasons why this hapens the first Land Rovers spend more time off the road being repaird second you can buy everything from a new galvinised Chasses to a set of windscreen wipers for a L-R the only other car/truck that you can do that with is a Jeep .

[@shanevonharten3100]

The title is certainly click bait. Having had both over the years i can honestly say landcruiser is by far the better vehicle all round.

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

But do they last longer?

[@paulboon1100]

@@davesclassicgaragetours well, my LC 60series 3F Sahara is 36 years old, I've owned it for 23 years now, has done 693.000 km has original engine not rebuild, runs and drives like new, the only thing on it that isn't original is the transmission, lifted suspension and peripherals like rad, alternator starter, brake cylinders etc , all replaced ones the last trans lasted 350.000km, the car apart from a couple of spots is rust free and is still doing major (8000km 2x a year) outback trips as well as being used as a daily, I have owned a series 2a van and series three wagon, with 21/4L petrol, did a lot of km's in those as well, and have to say that some things on them are brilliant but others were designed by a first year apprentice after a good night at the pub!? Like the brakes for instance!! I loved LR but hated them, the things break whatever whenever, thank God they are usually easy to fix, land Rover invented the saying "love/hate relationship". I have to say that the LC has caused me less frustration and less work and cost and much more reliability, dry boots and no door flapping in a side wind! Lol. Just my two cents worth. Still... wouldn't mind one in the driveway though, bloody things!

[@trianggaindralukmana2184]

@@davesclassicgaragetours my daihatsu taft aka fourtrack 1987 is reliable, they rust but engine and drivetrain never open except change rear seal crank 10 years ago

[@sengwesetogile6054]

In my contry, the general consensus is that, the land rover is the better off roader than the cruiser,but the cruiser is the better workhorse.

[@stonepa]

My experience as well.

[@Muppet_Interfector]

What is with the rocking of the camera during the talk with the owner at the front roller door?

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

Getting my sea legs

[@cedarcanoe]

Any idea why LR returned to steel doors and bonnet on the td4 models (2008-2016) ? Regards from Sweden on the other side of the world

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

Oooh didn't know that - and neither will the series boys I guess.

[@marcecameron]

No idea. Should have kept them alloy

[@sengwesetogile6054]

Toyota are reliable because they are mechanically simple vehicles . Here in southern Africa, the base model land cruiser comes with the 4.2 NA diesel. Very inefficient and sluggish, but reliable.

[@lewlewis6511]

Both LR and Toyota could prepare their vehicles, particularly chassis, better for a long life. Lifespan and work required to keep them corrosion free in countries that use salt is a different kettle of how vehicles will last in warmer climes or in countries that don't use salt. I've had both, a series 2A ex MOD full canvas top, and a classic 2 door RR 3.5 manual. Also had a 70 and 90 series LC, a mk 6 Hilux and the current 17 year old 120 series. Whilst i have greast affection for the Solihull product (having transported thousands of LRs out of there over the years) a common theme of ownership is constantly having to fix something, it would take some persuading for me to own another LR product. LCs in comparison have been totally reliable, due to living in England where local authorities have a fetish for road salt your biggest headache in keeping an LC into old age is chassis and live axle corrosion, but if you take care to keep the corrosion at bay and keep up the maintenance then Toyotas product is streets ahead in reliability and durability. In all the years i've owned Toyota 4x4s the only thing thats failed apart from general consumables such as batteries and friction materials is the alternator on the 120, which cost me £125 for a recon unit and a couple of hours to fit it. If anything i'm more upset with Toyota for not prepping their chassis and axles better when destined to be sold where road salt is an issue, they put so much effort into making their vehicle reliable with high quality electrical parts and drive components, yet they spoiled the ship for a ha'porth of tar by not making the vehicles more corrosion resistant. Had they done this from the 55 or 60 series onwards they would have been even more in demand, and commanded even higher residuals than they already do and LR and other makers would have hardly sold a vehicle for hard work or off road use anywhere in the world. The bodies of 90 series onwards are very corrsion resistant apart from the exposed parts of the inner sills, its the chassis and live axle corrosion that lets them down. If anything Toyotas reliability encourages some owners to neglect their vehicles, as the vehicles age if people get problems its usually because of neglect.

[@dustyfarmer]

Salt is going to kill any vehicle unless your protect the underbody & even then it's only temporary. There is mud/soil/dust on roads here in Australia that is really salty particularly in South & Western Australia & you see people driving their vehicles through the salt water at speed on beaches blasting it into every nook & cranny. I've seen an old car that used to dunk a boat trailer at the boat ramp with the tail end panels rusted out at the angle it was dipped in. Modern Landcruiser's have a light galvanised flash coating on the panels which you can see where they paint wears away but anything metal will rust heavily in salt eventually as proved by Landcruiser mine vehicles which operate in a highly corrosive environment, it eats everything metal including aluminium.

[@erroneouscode]

Didn't LR have galvanized chassis as an option on the series LR's?

[@dustyfarmer]

@@erroneouscode I believe they did on later model ones.

[@monochromaticlightsource2834]

I bought a 110 hard top defender in 2003 brand new, and only driven 85000 miles in it, so It's barely run in. The engine is sweet as a nut, and starts first turn of the key, once the heater coil light has gone out. It's on its 2nd set of tires and it's 2nd battery, which gave out after 16 years during Covid. I bought it for launching and recovering my boats in the sea. I have had to replace the chassis, it rusted out being driven in salt water regularly, and I replaced both the chassis and the bulkhead with a galvanised one. The only problem I have with it is the door locks which now don't always catch when closing the doors and the light switch melted after I drove 300 miles non stop, at night, to see my dad in Hospital. I have driven long distance (UK long distances are 200 to 300 miles about 5 hrs continuous driving) I'm 6'3" 60 yrs old, and don't find it uncomfortable. The heater is adequate in winter conditions after about five miles to warm up. The paint on the whole is in good condition still with shiny panels except on the bonnet where it has chipped, I recon its good for another 20 years, I shan't be launching and recovering boats any more though. I also replaced the brake calipers pads, and disc rotors as a precaution whilst it was stripped down. Its noisy, I don't have a radio fitted, and I love it.

[@supertramp6011]

Replacement of chassis and bulkhead on a vehicle of that age/ mileage is pretty damning. I’ve owned lots of Landies, but would never bother with another. Land cruiser is a far superior vehicle in every way, esp a 70 or 80 series. Far more power, better brakes, reliability, comfort, fuel consumption, just everything really. Landrovers are invariably owned only by dedicated aficionados,prepared to overlook their obvious shortcomings. Heck, a Diahatsu 4 Track is a far better vehicle.!

[@monochromaticlightsource2834]

@@supertramp6011 If you reversed your Daihatsu twelve times a day, twice a week, into the sea whilst launching your three ton boat, and five other Ribs, for fifteen years, whilst also using it for daily transport would you expect it to not rust? If you read my post did you not read the Bulkhead was replaced at the same time as the chassis? Fifteen years in and out of salt water not good enough a lifespan for you? I think it did remarkably well considering.

[@supertramp6011]

@@monochromaticlightsource2834 To be honest, if I was launching boats at that rate, I’d definitely make up a towing dolly to extend your drawbar length for boat launching/ recovery.- it’ll save you a fortune in replacing chassis. I have seen galvanised Landrover chassis, bulkheads and doortops showing considerable rust straight from the manufacturer, the quality of the galvanising is far below what Landrover used to apply on early series parts, such as doortops,etc,also the steel in them tends to be thinner and inferior quality. Also , fit a tow ball on the front of your vehicle for easier manoeuvring. I do a lot of beach launches/ recovery, that’s my two cents. I tend to avoid backing any vehicle into saltwater, it is absolute death on all components, including brake backplates and calipers. And yes, a Fourtrak would rust out under those conditions, but at least it would still be comfortable, reliable and infinitely nicer as a daily driver….

[@chrisstewart8259]

Don't bring it to Australia. Long distance is 1000 miles - in 30 hours, non stop! I used to do it regularly in a Cruiser with a small caravan behind it. Half of it across the desert tracks. I wouldn't trust a Landie here.

[@monochromaticlightsource2834]

@@chrisstewart8259 1000 miles in 30 Hrs? That's averaging 33MPH! Thats actually quite good for a Land Cruiser.

[@MacawAviculture]

I have owned a 2000 LR Discovery, a 2004 LR Discovery, and a 2008 Range Rover. These care are unreliable, always seem to need expensive maintenance, and the Discoveries were not powerful enough to enjoyably drive on I-70 in CO with numerous steep passes to drive over through CO or when driving from CO to CA on I-70 or I-15. Since then I have owned a 1996 LC 80 Series, a 2003 LC 100 Series, a 2006 LC 100 Series, and a 2008 LC 200 Series. There is no comparison in performance, reliability, or longevity between the LR and the LC. The Toyota LC is built with much higher quality components, driveline, and electronics. Both are great trucks depending on which country you live in and how you use them: off-road only in Africa or Colorado, or on combined off-road and Interstate in the USA. The Toyota Land cruiser might be the best truck ever built for both off-road and highway use. LR reliability and cost of maintenance are the basic reasons these trucks have horrible resale value in the USA.

[@briansearle4138]

Let's not forget the land rover was the first vehicle to be seen by many indigenous peoples around the world 🇬🇧 👍

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

let's not go into that empire thing, it doesn't end well

[@78a67h]

The real comparison should be between the Series LR and the FJ40 Land Cruiser and it goes like this: LC engine, gearbox, and mechanicals much more reliable. Steel body will eventually rust. LR wins on style, pedigree, and theoretically rust-proof aluminium body (some sections e.g. firewall, windshield frame, tailgate, and indeed chassis members are still steel!)

[@mikeb53]

They last longer because their owners look after them, and equally they are made of aluminium which is a big help. Basic metallurgy.

[@jacobmoses3712]

Aluminium bodywork but a steel chassis

[@supertramp6011]

Not convinced that LR lasts longer… it probably depends on the climate. Rotten chassis and bulkheads killed off most of the Landrovers , Discoveries and Rangerover. here in Scotland, although they were far more common than Landcruisers. I’d never have another Landrover, apart from a series 1 as a toy, or an early 2 door Rangerover if I win the lottery. I would however love to get my hands on an 80 series LC if I could afford one. Getting pricey now for decent ones.

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

So you’d never have another Land Rover apart from the fact you would?

[@supertramp6011]

@@davesclassicgaragetours I’d have one as a toy, but never as a works vehicle or a daily driver. And I’ve been driving them since I was a kid, owned all series, defender, disco and rangerover. I could pick up a Mercedes ML 270 for a fraction of the price of a Landrover, and it will do everything better than the Landrover. Despite that, I still have a soft spot for Landies, having spent so much of my life around them. I still use a grey Ferguson tractor , which I love, for topping a pasture in decent weather, but I wouldn’t use it for towing a trailer or ploughing a field, because basically, it’s just not up to the job has crap brakes, and is uncomfortable to spend a lot of time on. Of course in 1950, it was revolutionary, but today it is barely adequate except for limited use. I would consider a series one or Two, but it would need to be heavily modified to make it usable or fun to drive, and frankly, at the prices for decent ones now, I’d probably just have a Suzuki SJ410 for cheap off-road fun.

[@gegwen7440]

Very reliable, as lets face it they were devoid of anything to break or go wrong (unlike a Land Cruiser) Built to rust straight from the factory & uncomfortable in the extreme.

[@chrisstewart8259]

"Very reliable"???!!! In yer dreams. I was mechanic back in the 70s in the UK working for the biggest civil engineering firm in Britain and possibly Europe. They had a fleet of vehicles from Minis to Scammel Low Loaders. The list included many LRs. What a Heap Of Wasted Steel and Aluminium. We had Long Wheel Base Safaris through to SWB diesels. The diesels had zips on 'em so we could change engines faster, gearboxes were weak and difficult to set up, drive shafts no bigger than a Ford Cortina used to snap like lolly sticks, overheating on anything hotter than 20C, ever tried to replace a clutch on an LR without taking the floor panels out? It can be done but ya shouldn't have to, etc, etc. We had Ford Transits vans that lasted longer on motorway and bridge building sites than LRs. I live in Australia these days and everything is Nissan Patrol or Landcruiser. I wouldn't take a so called "4WD LR" down the gravel road to the rubbish tip unless it was to dump it. NOBODY uses LR's in the rough stuff over here, nobody. I have a list of owners who are gold prospectors like me and they've owned LR Defenders. One told me he often went to sleep hoping his LR would turn into a Cruiser overnight! True story. It broke down on every trip he made and often 100s of kms from anywhere, including the desert! Snapped drive shafts n back and front, broken engine mounts etc. Even Range Rovers are only fit for shopping trolleys. Gimme a Cruiser or a Patrol any day. I love my V8 200 series. I also love my V8 Nissan with a Chev Diesel in it. Done over 400,000 kms on desert roads, tracks and hillsides and its never stopped once for anything, even pulling 4 tonnes in a trailer. Over 7 tonnes all up. Try that with a Land Rover in 40C heat! Land Rovers are for enthusiasts who like tinkering with "stuff" but they aren't a patch on Cruisers or Patrols for serious bush work. How the British Empire existed as long as it did using Land Rovers is something I'll never work out.

[@gegwen7440]

@@chrisstewart8259 Chris I was referring to the video title as yes I know full well what these heaps were like.Have never understood the love of these animals myself.

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

I think the Empire was over a couple of years before Land Rover came along. Also, can you tell me why the Australian Army was using Land Rovers up until just a few years ago?

[@andrewallen9993]

Like old VW kombis they last so long because when they break they can be fixed :)

[@ringo196]

CKD was a loop around export taxes because its an incomplete car self build. They were built from birmabright alloy because steel was hard to come by after the war.

[@erroneouscode]

It wasn't only because of tax purposes. CKD cars came in shipping crates which could be 'stacked' in cargo holds of general purpose cargo ships amongst other cargo. Such ships might have been loaded with an entirely different cargo when it left our ports. A complete rolling car wasted space above and around it. Modern car carrying cargo ships are built specifically for purpose and have adjustable deck heights for drive on, drive off.

[@ringo196]

@@erroneouscode it helped exports and incomplete vehicles had no duty on them ie lotus cars build a car at home no purchase tax buy a factory built you payed purchase tax. And alloy was in plentiful supply not the case with steel 🙄

[@erroneouscode]

@@ringo196 As I said "It wasn't only because of tax purposes." That applies to export of vehicles from say the UK, and the importation of vehicles to Australia. I'm Australian and grew up around a major car plant that was first Volkswagen and then Nissan in the 60's and 70's. There was a lot of CKD crates coming in even then to top up local production. Local factories couldn't produce every model or variation of model. NZ had a good deal of it's cars supplied in CKD form as well. Holden and Ford also brought in certain models during the 50's and 60's from the U.S or Canada in CKD form to supplement model range that wasn't made here and more than likely needed local conversion to RH drive. My comments don't specifically relate to Land Rover and thus not alloy either. Nor do they apply to kit cars you build at 'home'.

[@grahameroberts8109]

I regret having to offload my 1950 series 1 (headlights behind the grill) because of a move. I had restored it about 75% but it went to a good home at the time Arthur Garthon Motors. I’d like to buy it back but I’d have to sell a kidney. Lol. Thanks for this episode. 👍🏻🙏🦘

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

Sorry to hear that Grahame. An early Landy, any series Landy is a special thing and to have to let it go must’ve been a wrench.

[@newyoupersonaldevelopment3497]

Was this filmed on an ocean liner … I feel seasick 😢

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

The following are some tips that may provide you with some immediate relief. Take control. ... Face the direction you're going. ... Keep your eyes on the horizon. ... Change positions. ... Get some air (fan or outdoors) ... Nibble on crackers. ... Drink some water or a carbonated beverage. ... Distract with music or conversation. Failing that, skip forward, it get's better

[@GaryBox]

The earlier models did indeed last because they were electrically and mechanically simple. The panels didn't rust but the chassis would if you don't treat it. The claim about the percentage of Land Rovers still being in use is slightly misleading. So many were farm vehicles, many wouldn't pass an MOT but would still start and could be driven on private land (farm). If we are talking about 50 year old vehicles I'd happily own either a Land Rover or Land Cruiser (I've owned a series 111 Land Rover). For newer vehicles I'd have to go with the Japanese.

[@todd2386]

I own three myself! I would not own any other marque ever!!!

[@6226superhurricane]

he failed to mention that the chassis is made out of thin gauge steel and rusted out from the inside long before any other 4wd. there's nothing special about land cruisers either but they didn't sell in any numbers until the 60's so as far as pre 1960 4wd's in australia go it will be mostly jeeps and land rovers and out of the jeeps and land rovers i reckon there's a higher percentage of old jeeps that survived because they were better to drive, more reliable and better offroad.

[@FranklynWhite68]

As much as I love Range Rover, I’d be terrified of the cost of maintenance vs a Toyota Land Cruiser. I just can’t see it financially.

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

Dive in. You never know, you might find a peach.

[@Markdmarque]

Only because all the parts have been replaced. Chassis rots out and although it can be welded you have to have decent metal to weld to. Most people prefer the Toyotas as they seen better

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

Most? meh

[@lowandslow3939]

If you can’t stand still with a camera in your hand, for chrisake use a tripod.

[@fredleonard1547]

Wow verry nice, and one of the best things with it is NO COMPUTER. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@cornholio329]

Bet. 🤔 i have both right now a 1966 series 2a Landy and a 1994 Land Cruiser the tank Landy only has 13000 original miles on the odometer The Land Cruiser however is a different animal that has 500k original miles on the odometer and its still climbing Same with my 2008 FJ 455k on the odometer

[@mjhmech4903]

14:50 Have we forgotten about the notorious BULK HEAD!?😏😂

[@PillSharks]

They do… it’s just the Toyota fan boys live in a dream world and genuinely believe nothing will ever go wrong with a Toyota… “my land cruiser has covered over a million miles without touching the engine…that’s the sort of crap you read on the internet! The truth is they are both good vehicles and things go wrong with both…Land Rover owners are happy to admit problems where Toyota owners talk BS in a desperate attempt to make the Toyota look superior!

[@shiftmotorsports9803]

Agreed 100%. My dad was telling me that in 125,000 miles, he has only had to replace a light bulb in his Toyota. He conveniently forgot that he had to replace the transmission before 100,000 miles. I also have a neighbor who preaches "Toyota reliability," and he had to replace the engine in his Toyota Van. It is either a global brainwash or they are trying to justify paying the "Toyota tax"

[@PillSharks]

@@shiftmotorsports9803 my father in law was the same with his BMW and the Audi before…nothing ever went wrong! You only need to look at the MOT fail sheet in the UK which is online to see what problems the cars had! as for the Toyota owners… well it’s comical reading the stories on social media!! It makes you wonder why anyone would make parts from them. Lol

[@kw8757]

I considered buying a LR Disco a few years ago and spoke to my brother (long-time mechanic/recovery driver) about it and he said don't touch one with a barge pole, they're utter shite, and he wasn't wrong. They have earned their reputation for unreliability with good reason.

[@PillSharks]

@@kw8757 what discovery? My father has a 4, he’s owned it for 8 years now and apart from a fuel pump, prop and a stupid upgrade oil spill pipe from second turbo it’s been a great car! None of the problems I listed left them stranded on the roadside! My wife’s vehicle is a 2001 discovery 2 which my father ordered from new, my wife had it when he upgraded to the disco 4.. admittedly that did have a engine fault at 90k but apart from that it’s been a great car which has taken me and my family all over Europe and Scandinavia including the artic circle! I do know of the disco 3 and early 4 having big engine failures..

[@kw8757]

@@PillSharks Disco 3 or L322 RR..but happy to say I did my research and I didn't buy one. If you're happy with them good...I personally would touch one with a barge pole. There's a good reason Land Rovers depreciate in value the way they do and Land Cruisers hold their value exceptionally well.

[@Toby_the_Glen]

The defender that lasts forever, I think it's the 'triggers broom ' scenario. Even farmers don't buy them any more. Rural areas have built up a large network of LR experts for obvious reasons, so ownership of old ones is viable. But I also feel that there is nothing to compare with a defender as basic rugged off-road transport. Although It's more of a farm/military utility vehicle than a car? The Japanese have us comfort and more on road ability. Owners want good off road performance, but also want to be able to cruise at 70mph in comfort?

[@chrisstewart8259]

"there is nothing to compare with a defender as basic rugged off-road transport." and where in the UK might such a place be? It has been proven that there is no place in the UK that is further than 75 miles from another place. Plus it's nearly all bitumen roads in between those any two points. Try Central Australia, that's where Toyota and Nissan do all their testing, not the Yorkshire Moors.

[@Iansea1967]

@@chrisstewart8259 I think that’s where they tested their rust proofing as well.

[@snortingmydeaddad]

To each their own. I’ll stay with the Cruiser. Vintage Land Rover is cool though.

[@dustyfarmer]

Land Rover, Really cool in winter & really hot in summer.

[@shonuffisthemaster]

they dont rust out, but thats the only advantage they have over landcruisers build quality and reliability wise

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

some might say. others reckon they go 4x4xfar

[@shonuffisthemaster]

@@davesclassicgaragetours 70s landrover vs fj, minimal maintanance (just oil changes etc), same abuse, which one runs longer? your not going to pretend like its the landrover are you?

[@troothhertz6297]

If I want a hobby a will buy another Landrover

[@iamgermane]

HOW ARE THOSE BUICK MOTORS?? ;)

[@Silverback0687]

I have never understood the way people like LR's. I had the misfortune of driving and being a passenger in them in a previous life and found them to be a hateful, slow, noisy uncomfortable thing. Having to have the drivers window open just to be able to steer tells you everything you need to know. They make a claim that 75% plus of all LR are still on the road, that's mainly because they are like Trigger's broom. Give me a Japanese 4x4 anytime over a LR.

[@steveguest8028]

LR are ok if you have a use for them, i can’t understand people driving around in them for the love of it

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

Plenty do.

[@markgb]

Keep the camera still, you're making me seasick