LS vs. Coyote 2 Episode 3: The Coyote Engine Build

The crew heads to MPR Racing Engines in Boynton Beach, FL to build the ProCharged Coyote. Follow along with what the NMRA championship winning engine builder hopes will be a winning combination against the larger cubic-inch LSX. Both engines will be running E85 fuel at the dyno on the next and final episode of LS vs Coyote 2.
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[@SomervilleMetalWorks]

So for coyote you charge for port work LS you did not. For Coyote you charged for valve springs and valves for LS you did not. The intake for Coyote was full retail at summit yet LS intake got a $1600 "customer discount" not the full retail price. Come on its beyond a joke at this point

[@sepg5084]

yup, seems quite fishy. Props to the Coyote being able to handle all of this using stock block, heads, and crank!

[@KTM990WFO]

As already stated, many aftermarket LS heads come complete with port jobs, valves, springs, etc. The Coyote got to use a used 2015 F-150 block while the LS used a brand new LSX block. So let's have the LS pay full price for an intake manifold and have the Coyote buy a brand new block and see who stays under budget. The only way the Coyote can compete with the LS with any sort of budget restriction is by getting a massive handicap by buying a used block compared to a new LS block. Same exact thing happened in the last LS vs Coyote shootout.

[@02autogt]

@@KTM990WFO Coyote included $1500 core motor....

[@SomervilleMetalWorks]

@@KTM990WFO watch the video mate they clearly state they port the brodix heads on ls you can even see they fire ringed them. They also state pac spring titanium intake valves and retainers. These are not off the shelf summit brodix heads. Also no one forced them to use aftermarket block they could have used factory block

[@KTM990WFO]

@@SomervilleMetalWorks I vaguely remember that now, you may be right. The LS builder was correct in selecting an LSX block over the LS7. Factory LS7 blocks have rather thin cylinder walls and while they make stupid power NA, they tend to come apart under high boost applications like this. I personally think the Coyote builder is insane trying to run 12.25:1 compression on ~30 pounds of boost.

[@BigInjun05]

I would love to have half the knowledge this man will forget in his lifetime. Incredible engine builder.

[@BC08]

I wouldn't go that far, he seemed surprisingly weak on basic theory.

[@BigInjun05]

@@BC08 how many race engines you build?

[@BC08]

@@BigInjun05 Not as many as Tim, but I've built over 50 4Vs and have set a couple Modular records myself.

[@BigInjun05]

@@BC08 wanna build one more? Build it to handle 2000 hp so I can hit it with 1000 daily driver. Just because why not.

[@BC08]

@@BigInjun05 What type of engine?

[@BigInjun05]

When you are all done with that yote engine you can send it my way to put in my s197 lol, I'll pay shipping 😂. This is a dream engine for me.

[@chemicalspore]

I'm a Chevy guy who loves his ls6 camaro, but coyotes are bad ass too

[@mr.merica6048]

That's facts I have had a 5.0 a 5th gen camaro 2ss and now a 6th gen camaro 2ss they are all bad ass and cant go wrong with either one but the smoothness of the ride hands down goes to Chevy

[@johnsalary5188]

Now y’all see how gm guys are we don’t hate ford but ford guys hate us an always think they up class more than we are as a gm ls man I remember the 03 Cobra gave ls a lil Competition I had cam heads nos an only bet this corba mustang by a car so us true gm guys knows ford motors runs good so it shouldn’t be no Excuses crying when we win a Competition

[@mattm1841]

Nice it received the same level of attention!(comment from last video) THANK YOU GUYS!! :) Cant wait for the next episode!

[@lsxtuner6126]

For the people complaining about the block differences. A quick search on the Texas Speed shows the resleeved LS truck block with Darton sleeves at $2700. The LSX block used for this competition was $2782 at Texas Speed. So really it was just a matter of choice by the builder because the resleeved LS truck blocks with Darton sleeves have been shown to handle the power levels I'd expect an F1x procharger to support in this test.

[@tomhamilton9140]

With aftermarket heads and 125 more cubic inches?

[@lsxtuner6126]

@@tomhamilton9140 What does that have to do with the price of the block? No one gave anyone a cubic inch limit it was based upon a $15,000 budget. Sorry your coyote costs more to build the cubic inches were chosen by each builder with the budget they had to work with. Good old pushrod motor simple and cheap.

[@anthonyobrien9569]

The fact that lme is running 427ci ls to try and out power a 302ci says it all for me!! Coyote!!💪💪

[@anthonywebber2211]

5.0 isn't 302 cubic inches

[@nathan22outdoors8]

Ok? The Coyote needs 4 cams and double the vales to even compete.

[@juicebox8549]

@@nathan22outdoors8 4 valves in a smaller cylinder lol you mad

[@nathan22outdoors8]

@@juicebox8549 No im fine, double the valves let in a shit ton mpre air. The displacment doesnt even matter at that point

[@marcojasso2695]

Anthony Webber then what's the cubic inches if it's not 302???

[@joshuamora6778]

After this video I love the coyote engine even more! going to battle with stock block, crank and heads unlike the LS 😎

[@HerrimanB14]

lol, did you watch the LS video? Stock block , stock crank, stock lifters, stock rocker arms, and stock head bolts.

[@FlatFourJay_]

@@HerrimanB14 the block was an lsx block so thats not stock at all

[@HerrimanB14]

Jose Flores it’s a factory gm produced block. How much more stock can it get?

[@coryholbrook4643]

Holy crap on a stick I’m so tired of hearing you Ford guys crying that the LS isn’t using stock parts or bragging that the Coyote is. If there was a choice I guaran-damn-tee MRP wouldn’t be modifying factory parts either. But you know was well as I do they don’t get a choice because there isn’t an alternative unlike the LS engine. Thanks to the LS’s engineering simplicity and 22 year history it gets to enjoy vast aftermarket support. Don’t like it? Blame Ford. The Coyote is well engineered but much more complex than the LS. That complexity makes aftermarket re-engineering too costly and so no matter the lifespan your power plant enjoys you’ll never have the aftermarket the LS has. The next generation of GM V8’s are going overhead cam more than likely and they’ll suffer the same fate. Get over it wipe the shit off your knob.

[@FlatFourJay_]

@@HerrimanB14 im not arguing that its still an after market block. you cant get them in stock applications

[@richardhead8826]

Edit: I'm glad you changed your mind about clumping the Coyote build into the dyno shootout. I appreciate the equal exposure :) Wait...so the LSX build gets it's own episode talking about the build and the place building it, but the Coyote shares its episode with the final dyno numbers and track times? Why do you guys try to act like you aren't GM biased?

[@richardhead8826]

@SyphonX So you don't think its GM biased? Completely new LSX block that didn't come in the car this series started with? Using a 7.0L motor versus a 5.0L motor? Yea...not biased in the least....

[@richardhead8826]

@SyphonX But hey...I get it...Stock GM motors cant make power and you need 7 liters to compare to Ford's stock 5 liter motor....

[@richardhead8826]

@SyphonX If it's better why didn't they use the LS3 out of the Camaro they started with in the beginning of the series? 6.2L isn't enough motor to handle a little bitty 5.0L??

[@richardhead8826]

@SyphonX Because the LS3 is crap... Ok...I understand.

[@richardhead8826]

@SyphonX I mean...GM stole the tech from Ford.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@CJColvin]

This definitely a GM channel.

[@xxxmikeyjock]

it has to be. ford truck motor doesnt need a new block crank and heads to make power, so no advertising $$ in a ford. the chevy needs to be completely aftermarket based on a rare vette motor

[@CJColvin]

@@xxxmikeyjock Exactly.

[@nathan22outdoors8]

How is that? The builds werent even made by the host yet you guys are still saying its biased. If it was the host building both and he purposly wasted money with pointless parts on the coyote and did all performance, usefull parts on the LSX than it would be biased. Just because your shitty coyote has overpriced parts that are hard to fit in a budget doesnt mean its chevy biased for having cheaper reliable parts.

[@xxxmikeyjock]

the LS side is bullshitting on pricing. the coyote guys look to be playing fair on what they did.

[@nathan22outdoors8]

@@xxxmikeyjock Oh Yeah? Then name what the LSX didnt pay for and what they didnt add to the price.

[@angreygt3508]

I could get past the obvious apples and oranges of a huge pushrod vs a high flowing 4VOHC, but seriously, you've hamstrung the coyote so badly by doing the dyno testing with Holley. The reason the coyote is such a beast is in the tuning and the ability to wring out every ounce of power across every rpm. The dyno testing you're doing was around when the Egyptians were in charge. At least let them manage the engine the way it was designed. The whole "we don't do computers" crap just sends you guys over the edge as LS homers and why I won't subscribe to the channel or watch your other content.

[@DmonkeyProductions]

Ryan McKee what you’re saying is so incredibly inane that I’m sure they’re glad you aren’t subbing.

[@danielbrealey2924]

Bye then... Don't let the door hit you on the way out. #Crybabies

[@angreygt3508]

Alpha Wërks I'm talking about the archaic engine dyno testing setup genius

[@Cowboy.underwater]

I really am curious as to why they aren't using the vvt technology on the coyote. the vvt is what gives the factory coyote such a huge powerband without sacrificing peak numbers. in a competition where area under the power curve counts for so many points why would you throw away such a huge advantage?

[@angreygt3508]

Colton Robinson its more to do with simplifying the tune. For race and extreme street applications, vvt for making good power is less crucial and you're less concerned about old school lopey idle. They fix the imrc plates usually too. My biggest problem is that they're using some bandaid Holley engine management rather than a Ford ECU to manage the motor. This is almost certainly a limitation of the engine dyno shop and most of the tuning advantages that have been learned by the various tuners involves the modern Ford management with speed density, lambda values, etc. I'm afraid they're gonna leave a bunch of performance on the table because of a new/different engine management that's antiquated.

[@mrjesuschrist2u]

LS didn't get charged for machine work on their aftermarket block or heads

[@austinhowze6280]

So true you know they got to cheat

[@coryholbrook4643]

The rules exclude machining of blocks and heads to prep for assembly only, not to install parts. The Coyote motor was only charged for machining to install the sleeves, not to prep the block or balance the rotating assembly. The LS didn’t get charged that because sleeves were not installed. Pull your head out, quit looking for reasons to call foul. That’s what little bitches and whiny losers do.

[@mrjesuschrist2u]

@@coryholbrook4643 call it what you want minus the machine work on the block and the heads for the coyote they are $2kish under budget. I havent gone to the MPR website to price the build yet but the LS could not be had at the same price listed in the video on multiple things for the LS.

[@ijmodified]

@@coryholbrook4643 the ls machined a 4500 dollar intake and it was all good and not a big deal you can go back and read my comment on the video and read the response I got

[@waynebollentin989]

@@ijmodified Yeah not being charged at least 2500k for the intake was fucked up when it cost 4500 to buy. If that's not extensive cnc and machine work I don't know what is.

[@saidtheblueknight]

Hmm, a $3000 aftermarket GM LSX 7 liter block vs. a junkyard Ford truck stock displacement block. I know noone makes aftermarket Ford stuff like the LS market, but you guys could have done a more apples to apples comparison. If you're using stock block, crank and heads on the Coyote why not do a comparison with a stock block, stock crank stock headed GM truck motor?

[@hncjg]

because it would be a $5000 ls3 vs $25000 ford lol i bet thats what that 5.0 cost built like that

[@kevinsartin6059]

They clearly stated it was a brand new block. Then calls it "basically a junk yard block". Because he knows that's where it'll end up.

[@cliffordcullen1687]

No shit, so true. Hot Rod magazine or Super Chevy, can't remember which one, just did a thrash test on a junkyard 6.0. Stock bottom end, more ring gap, different heads and cam plus turbos. 1400 plus HP and finally split out a PM high mile rod on a stock crank. They did the same thing with a 5.3 which ended up being a 4.8 LR4 truck engine. Doesn't make sense in comparison.

[@mrjesuschrist2u]

@Alpha Wërks watch it again they got a junkyard long block for $1800 which is actually a fucking steal unless it had some high mileage on it....

[@scottsigmon926]

A D Sir, I agree with you on that, but they know that the stock components of the LS base engine wouldn’t last through a whole Dyno session and there would be such a mess to clean up in the Dyno room!

[@CanIbeFrank]

Coyote has much more factory parts than the LS. It already won just on that fact...

[@mikevazquez3975]

Can we please get an update on when the next video will be uploaded.

[@mrmidnight32]

So much extra work to even compete with an LS. LS engines are truly amazing. Can’t wait until we get another “better” motor to put the LS out to pasture. Not out of hate of the LS, but further advancement of performance into the market.

[@waynebollentin989]

I know this is most likely a very stupid question but have you ever build a motor before? They used an lsx block. You don't think nothing went into that? All motors like this take work. Its not junk that's going to blow up after a few passes. How can they not compete when the coyote has been 5.80s with the stock block crank and heads. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what LS has come close to that without an lsx block and aftermarket everything else including heads smh.

[@mrhrobinson]

That better motor is called the lt1

[@cesarpalmos8235]

It's funny because people like doing these comparisons because they are both the top dogs in the American hp worlds. However they are so different in what they do and what they were designed for. It would be very interesting to see and Ls vs Ford's new Godzilla motor, then it would be Apple's and Apple's

[@nastang87xx]

Absolutely terrible idea. Might want to do some research on why Ford built the Godzilla the way they did. They are not out to make big displacement for big power. It was actually for economy and durability.

[@wesleybeeson1818]

It says episode 1 was 1 month ago and episode 2 was 1 week ago. That’s not bad at all. Very interesting content and I would be thrilled to have either engine

[@cesarsgarage1393]

The mod list on the coyote is literally a fraction of the size😂 compared to the NASA reengineered LS

[@robertgardner2782]

They both spent the same amount of money. Not LS fault that 5.0 parts cost alot more money. Power for dollar LS wins every time.

[@cesarsgarage1393]

@@robertgardner2782 Hey Einstein my point is look at the amount or reengineering the POS LS needs to be competitive haha NASA inspired LS🤣 What a joke

[@camkitchiner]

Cesar's Garage What do you mean by re-engineering? If a different block, some suped up heads and a blower is re-engineering to you, you need to do a reality check. Seems like you don’t really know what you’re talking about.

[@9090ruby]

Reengineered like resleaving and modifying the block plus porting the heads new cams bearings rods Pistons. Seriously you coyote guys remind me of Honda guys how much you whine and make excuses

[@mrjesuschrist2u]

The only thing LS about the LS build was the crank really lol everything else is aftermarket stuff..... Also all the mavhine work was free for the LS, coyote had machine work listed in the build price....

[@jessemurray1757]

I like the Coyote and LS/LT stuff equally. They both have their areas where they shine over the other. When you choose one over the other you're missing out.

[@whatsreallygoingon253]

15 k coyote vs 20k plus ls seems legit

[@kostasgt500]

My motor is getting built at mpr right now. Can't wait to get it back!!

[@turbomopie]

Chevy dude fell in love with that coyote. He can see the light

[@gotjuice7160]

He will when through the window in the block....

[@BC08]

Got Juice The old Modular block has held nearly double the power any OEM LS block has. Funny how a block gets stronger when you don’t have to machine a cam journal through the center of it. Poor LS...

[@howabouthetruth2157]

@@BC08 All of you guys can talk all the smack ya want, but the fact remains a well built Coyote OR Chrysler Hemi engine is so damned stupid expensive, it's completely out of the realm of the average guy, and I'm talking about middle income folks........not liberal bums who can't afford a used car. Dollar for dollar spent on horsepower, ya just can't beat the LS platforms. And the PROOF of what I'm saying is all the guys, numbering in the thousands, who drop an LS into an old Fox body MUSTANG. That just burns your asses, and you know it. And by the way "BC".......your comment about "blocks being stronger with no cam journal bored through the center" is pure bullshit. Because literally tens of thousands of built LS motors making incredible power are living just fine. Most of you guys talking smack against LS engines can't even dream of affording a Coyote motor anyway, and you know it.

[@BC08]

Howabouthetruth You’re just regurgitating the same, old ignorant myth. The only thing more expensive about a fresh Coyote build is the camshafts. Everything else is on par. The LS’ advantage come in junkyard availability and the Gen IV truck engine’s ability to handle some basic 700rw combos with decent reliability. As power climbs beyond that the LS becomes exponentially more and more expensive. To make 2000+ HP the 4V Fords have always been able to get there more cheaply than the LS platform. LS’ are only cheap to a point. I know many, many guys with over $30K tied up in LS-based longblocks that I could match the performance of with a $15k 4.6 4V build.

[@howabouthetruth2157]

@@BC08 Oh BULLSHIT.........The ONLY thing you said that is true is the fact you can find LS donor engines all over the place for dirt cheap. And the $$$ you saved goes towards heads & porting and slap a turbo charger on it .....( with forged steel rotating assembly for anything with crazy power ) and it's A FRACTION of the price of the Coyote. Funny how ( and this REALLY burns your ass ) that dude did just that & dropped it in his old beat up Fox body Mustang ( famously known as "THE BEATER BOMB" ).........and he beats the living piss out of over 90% of the guys he's racing. Even guys making "more power"..........WHY???.......BECAUSE IN THE REAL WORLD, RAW "RAW HORSE POWER" MEANS NOTHING IF YA CAN'T GET THE CAR TO HOOK UP ON THE TRACK, OR HANDLE ON A ROAD COURSE. AND KNOWING HOW TO DRIVE IS JUST AS IMPORTANT TOO. POWER IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WITHOUT CONTROL. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD. There's guys making around 900rwhp beating the shit out of guys with 1,400.......because they are hooking up & launching better........"Einstein". And "where's all these Coyote motors" running in street rods all over the world??? HUH??? OH, THAT'S RIGHT, THEY'RE ALL USING THE LS PLATFORMS INSTEAD. And for your information, I'm not one of these "Ford vs Chevy vs Chrysler vs foreign" guys. I like them ALL. But I'm also rooted in REALITY. And the reality is you just can't beat the VALUE of the LS platform for making cheap RELIABLE power if done correctly. We're not living in a world where most guys have "an unlimited budget" to build all new shit starting with an OEM crate motor and building UP from there. HELLOOOO. SMART guys who live in the real world are relying on the PROVEN LS platforms straight out of the junk yard to build incredible power vs COST. And you will NOT do that with Ford or Chrysler set-ups. END OF STORY.

[@jeffreyhamilton6881]

Are we ever going to see the actual shootout why the wait

[@GLOCKMIKEGAMING]

Jeffrey Hamilton both motors blew

[@jmitchell513]

it's just like we thought it would be.. a built dart block 427 stroker vs a stock block and ported stock headed coyote. and the 'yote will still win 😁

[@Cdub427]

Dart block where? Its a gm produced block lmao. Not a stroker, same stroke as an ls7. Fake news

[@jmitchell513]

Sorry not a name brand dart* aftermarket racing LS block from GM same difference.. that bore/stroke/cubic inch hasn't been in production in 6 years since the last ls7 rolled off the assembly line so yes it is a stroker, however the coyote block is from a junkyard 2015 pickup truck and yes it's been prepped but it's a stock casting.

[@anthonywebber2211]

@@jmitchell513, they stopped putting LS7 into cars, doesn't mean they stopped making it all together www.gmperformancemotor.com/parts/19329246.html

[@jmitchell513]

Anthony Webber of course they do. I just got on Ford Performance and you can still buy a 5.8 Trinity motor, a 351 Windsor and a 460 big block. Those haven't been in production in years either. My point is the LSX 427 they built isn't a stock block or casting like the pick-up truck block the coyote is using.

[@lsxtuner6126]

@@jmitchell513 Opinions differ and it's pretty common to take GM 5.3 aluminum block and resleeve it to achieve the same 427" combo they did here. In many cases a darton sleeved LS truck block is actually more expensive than the iron LSX block they used for this competition. So lets not pretend it's stock vs aftermarket when it was just a matter of choice of the engine builder to choose which route to take when building this motor with a $15g limit. Could have easily sleeved a truck block as well and stayed under budget. I kind of wish that is the route they went to eliminate the Ford excuses. $15g budget limit makes it as fair as you can and obviously there are a lot of different routes they could go within that budget on an engine build.

[@acolonels3976]

I love MPR. Stand up guys

[@effinheavy7313]

I’m just curious why it takes a 427 ci LS to compete with a 5.0 Coyote....😎

[@effinheavy7313]

And You don’t know anything about sarcasm. 😮

[@bradpittman5075]

Casting flash and sharp edges are called stress risers. A stress riser is where cracks start.

[@Drake5153]

The fact that this setup is cheaper than the lsx will make the results interesting. They probably didn't do the 6.2 because they knew it'd wipe the floor with the lsx lol

[@nathan22outdoors8]

Doubt. Even a 5.3 could beat that coyote

[@Levibetz]

The procharger is going to mean that regardless, these engines are going to make the same power. If it's a dyno shootout, they should have a curveball where they just boost a junkyard gen4 4.8. It'll make just as much power as these engines. Just pulley it to spin the blower at the right speed to move the air density needed. We know Gen 4 LS rods will handle the sort of cylinder pressures nessecary to make that power number at around 6500rpm. torque curve will probably be about flat.

[@nismomike3182]

What in the funk is the hold up? Why didn't you release this series on a reasonable timeline? Do you care at all about building a fanbase? Your other media would have gotten more loyal traffic. I think most of the people who have been waiting for the final episode will watch it eventually with a cloud of frustration and irritability. That doesn't create fans. A great idea with poor execution will overall be a net negative.

[@robostrikeyou4365]

Season 3 of Horsepower Wars, LS vs Barra!!!!!

[@luciankristov6436]

RoboStrikeYou Barra would bitch slap the coyote and the ls

[@toddjohnson7133]

There are some GM faithful in here playing the same old tune..."Our parts catalog motor is a "stock LS and the modular Ford is a rule breaker because it's sleeved"! WTF. LS gnats just remember this. When Engine Masters put out these rules for the Boosted LS vs the Boosted Coyote there were no LS applications received. NO TAKERS! There should have been. The rules gave the LS 6.2 liters and the Ford had to come in at 5.0 liters. I guess that the fabulous LS just did not like its "rule break" or BOP allowance enough for the GM crowd to take up the challenge. And for the GM guys that do not know what BOP means it means Balance of Performance. Every form of motorsport that GM competes in with its pushrod engine (except NASCAR) has BOP allowances in place to make the otherwise outclassed GM rod kicker competitive. Cheap and plentiful does not = Best.

[@toddjohnson7133]

Is that an LS Vette in your tag? I'm guessing you read it and your ass hurts.

[@shaadydog1]

Only FANBOIS Brotards would complain about having great aftermarket support thats cheaper/stronger/better preforming than factory stuff... FFS Do you fuqtards listen to yourselves? Ok i wll limit cubes to 5.3 if you limit valves to 2 sound fair fuqbois? Seems fair to handicap the benefits of both platforms right?

[@shaadydog1]

BOP is attacked in many ways, not just 2 valve vs 4 valve fuqtard, In endurance racing BMW/Porche/Ford/GM etc. etc. might have a higher/lower weight limit or get more/less fuel, or have higher/lower rpm limit. In drag racing differing bore centers can get weight breaks, or get more boost, different power adders are limited to different boost levels and NOS might get a weight break, the type of supercharger is limited in size or no screws are allowed, or no high helix, So no you are wrong BOP isn't just for GM its for everyone and its to make the entire year competitive and come down to the last few races if possible, that gets most viewers and most sponsorship dollars.

[@toddjohnson7133]

@@shaadydog1 When you misspell fuck-tard you look like a fuck-tard. In the end no LS will ever make the kind of power levels that people have made with a modular Ford. And the fact that these guys at MMR and Mihovehz have done it with factory pieces makes it even even better.

[@shaadydog1]

They about the only people doing it AND with deep pockets at that. They have now resorted to billet blocks, FUQTARD

[@davidlefranc6240]

what a great little engine

[@AlzaherHa]

the cheaters used a pickup block agin😐

[@ls6nova398]

Just look at the size difference between the two. This is why the last will always win, if you can't fit the engine in your car nothing else matters. You can fit a BBC in the same space as a coyote and the old saying "there's no replacement for displacement" is still just as true today as it ever has been.

[@rickyhernandez1131]

Well what's the end result?

[@Cowboy.underwater]

I really am curious as to why they aren't using the vvt technology on the coyote. The vvt is what gives the factory coyote such a huge powerband without sacrificing peak numbers. In a competition where area under the power curve counts for so many points why would you throw away such a huge advantage?

[@shaadydog1]

I think at some point the cam timing and lift get so out of hand you have an interference issue with intake and exhaust being open at the same time, the more lift and duration the less room you have to move timing until you get to a point where its not possible. In this situation though i think the Holley controller might be the problem explicitly.

[@bowtie-man]

WHAAAAAAT, PREMIERES IN 24 HOURS!!!!!!!! I CAN'T WAIT THAT LONG!!!!!!!😢😢😢😢😢 I'M GOING THROUGH WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS NOW!!!!!!!😭😭😭😭 Ok I'll check back in 24.😂😂👍👍✌

[@donalddarbonne779]

This video has sold me on not buying a Coyote.

[@raypowell5268]

When is the dyno video coming?

[@GLOCKMIKEGAMING]

Ray powell both motors blew

[@garrettrush8243]

Does anyone know when the dyomno results will be

[@MrVR401]

Im waiting aswell

[@shaadydog1]

Soon as they swap out the Coyote head unit to make it competitive.

[@fishhead6349]

And now you see one of the biggest reasons the LS is so popular. Way easier and cheaper to build.

[@nathan22outdoors8]

Also smaller to fit in 10x as many more cars than this coyote.

[@CG_Element]

The problem is that Chevy makes 2 million engines under the designation of “LS”. So the Chevy guys can pick the most outlandish version of the LS that has the most displacement and power as possible and say “yeah it’s way better than the coyote in every single way.” Ford only makes two versions of the coyote, one for the mustang and one for the trucks. If the 5.2 engine in the gt350 was called a coyote engine and used for this build it would put the LS in its place easily. But since the 5.2 isn’t called a coyote, it’s not allowed in the competition

[@captaininsano2777]

Why were the injectors and throttle body not included in the budget?

[@mrjesuschrist2u]

I dont recall them in the LS build .... Could be wrong.... I was so distracted by the dude with his panties in a bunch about how to mispronounced DW.

[@captaininsano2777]

@@mrjesuschrist2u I'm guessing they were deleted because they would of pushed the budget over 15k

[@mrjesuschrist2u]

@@captaininsano2777 wasnt deleted, the LS build wasnt charged for them either. Probably sponsored items like the procharger.

[@POWERLSX]

That's true. It's misleading to tell people that this is a 15k build. In real world, similar builds of coyote or ls engines will cost 25k+ ! They should've showed the cost of sponsored parts AND the cost these shops would charge for building similar engines.

[@captaininsano2777]

@@POWERLSX exactly. These are pipe dream builds. No way in hell either of these are 15k builds.

[@CJColvin]

The Coyote V8 is technically a Hemispherecal engine with dome pistons, Hemispherecal heads that makes it a Hemi.

[@DukenukemX]

These guys welded and used "proprietary" techniques to out do a LS engine, while some guy in Pittsburgh is sitting on his toilet putting an Ebay Turbo on a 6.0L LS truck engine is getting more power out of that than this.

[@Brutalford]

Because of the previous contests it cost $3,000 for a truck Coyote 5.0 to buy a block LSX block is $3,200 so are you officially stating that you can build an entire 427 cubic inch 7 liter LSX on a $15,000 budget with brodix heads forged rods forged crank forged pistons because I'm not seeing anywhere on these two videos where the cost of the block that has the rods pistons and crankshaft come in the play on the GM side how come we don't know how much the coyote cost I think there's more money invested in the LSX than what they're stating I know someone who build a 5.3 L and it cost them more than $15,000 to get 700 horsepower and that was with the block only costing $250

[@98LSxS10]

Who ever spent 15k on a 5.3 and only making 700hp is an idiot unless that's N/A. Cause a stock bottom end 5.3 can make 700hp with a China turbo without even sweating

[@shaadydog1]

@@98LSxS10 Some of the comments just want to make me throw up @ the retardation level in the world Its really a bunch of FANBOIS just spewing a bunch of regurgitated shyt they read on a ford site from some dbag that in all likelihood still driving to school in a badly faded 6 banger...

[@coryholbrook4643]

Holy crap I could fill an ocean with all the tears shed by one particular group of viewers of this and the video over the LS motor’s assembly and parts spread! Stop it already! You haven’t even lost yet but it sure seems you’re certain you will because you’re already crying foul over perceived imbalances! Each engine was built with best parts available while remaining under the $15k budget for parts only. It doesn’t have to be a factory stock pullout motor from any vehicle model from either manufacturer! It just has to represent the platform it’s based off of. Other than that there are no restrictions for EITHER engine. Shut up already, cry when it’s over!

[@SomervilleMetalWorks]

Yet the ls manifold was 1600 cheaper than retail. They replied saying it was customer price yet say parts must be retail summit prices how is that not imbalance?

[@jbigelow6756]

I'm used to the gm guys out cubing me .... I'm good with it, no crying here

[@mrjesuschrist2u]

They charged machine work for coyote build but not for the LS too.

[@mrpmotorsports8536]

Well said bro! Like wtf...really

[@saidtheblueknight]

@cory holbrook $15k budget you say? Go to LME's website and tell me what an LSX based engine starts out and you let me know how that budget worked out. I'll give you a hint...just the longblock (not including a $5000 custom billet manifold) is $24k.

[@uNkLeRaRa4]

I'm pumped for the competition!!

[@damonhenry]

All the 5.0 boys came here to whine after getting beat by a engine that has the same design from the 1960s... takes boost for a coyote to compete with a cam only LS7. Oh, and 3 more cams. Cant wait to see the LS win this.

[@Steve-wl7jt]

@damon henry, Do some research and you'll find that Ford vs Chevy or Dodge at the same Cubic inches, the Ford usually makes more power. Motor Trend Magazine (online) did a 350 vs 351 and the with the same mods and the Ford made more power and torque. The last LS vs.Coyote #1 they admitted that if the Coyote was the same C.I. it would have won easily smoking the LS . Engine Master Competition, Ford 1st place 11 years out of 16 years the competition has been going. Chevy has won 4 times, Dodge 3 Times.

[@Fauxbra]

You mean the Chevy has the same design as a Ford from the 60's...Chevy gave up on the original small block design in the 90's.

[@damonhenry]

@@Steve-wl7jt exactly. If ford wanted to win bad enough they would have more ci. But guess what? They dont.

[@shaadydog1]

For anyone interested in what a similar cubes Modular would do here is the highly praised 2013 Engine Masters results. The dynographs listed in the link are the best qualifying pull each team had for the competition. www.hotrod.com/articles/2013-amsoil-engine-masters-challenge-top-finishers/ It doesn't take a genius to see which one makes the most avg power. The LS didn't win because of how the challenge is run. Worthy to note the highest HP was a 572 Ford but rules and scoring formula for cubes put it at 2500pts vs the 29-2800 pts the top 4 engines had.

[@evanpaulsmithfalconfogolin6147]

This type of comparison is really about exploring the options of engine building. anyone who is saying this is not fair because of the choices made by these builders needs to know when to shut their mouth. both are proven race platforms that achieve results differently. each platform has its strengths and weaknesses, knowing your platform and managing those in a complex formula is what makes you legit, everyone else is a shit chucking lemur. sit back and enjoy the approaches from two experts.

[@davidlefranc6240]

wheres is the episode 4

[@northwesthorsepower8215]

Whaaaaaat 3 days?

[@Steve-wl7jt]

@2:16 in the video you list "Rules" and Line #1, $15,000.00 not to include machining. So why at 14:59 line #3 you list $1150.00 for "Machining"?

[@nathan22outdoors8]

Exotic machininging like porting and re-sleeving comes out of the budget.

[@Fauxbra]

It's simple, The Coyote needed sleeving and the LS didn't so they charged the the Ford for it to pad the LS parts advantage... just as the LS parts are discounted Vs list price.

[@a29s12]

So if they would of made the LS guys stick with stock block and heads this would be in the bag.

[@tronsmart2185]

I would like to see a few other categories for scoring points.... Like horsepower per valve, horsepower per inch of timing chain, horsepower per timing sprocket etc... Just to be fair.

[@nateonfireball]

The budget thing is on my nerves. You’re comparing a 427 cubic inch aftermarket block and heads, to a stock block and head 302?! Money doesn’t grow on trees but when you have a more advanced modern motor it’s going to cost more. I’m no fanboy of any brand just a car guy but this is crazy. Even GT350 heads would be more competitive. LS engines are cheap that’s well known, but part for part the coyote is very competitive. Just overall annoyed with the unlevel playing field. Displacement is way outta wack, aftermarket block doesn’t add power but noted, aftermarket heads (bad ass ones too). Just very lopsided. It would be tragic if the LS didn’t win

[@SnifferSock]

So you'd rather they spend extra money on the 5.0 to make it fair?

[@nateonfireball]

SnifferSock correct part for part. The LS is already known to be the cheapest dollar per hp that’s no surprise. Everyone knows that. “You can get a 5.3 from a junkyard” etc etc.... what’s more interesting and informative is how it compares part for part. You can share how much each engine costs at the end but it’s just an easier analysis. LS is the cheapest hands down. Not everyone wants the cheapest though. I’d say use the same limits on parts like hydraulic rollers, certain super charger, displacement range, etc. price is important so don’t exclude that but again I want to see what each engine does mod for mod.

[@SilverRaven1959]

@@SnifferSock How about they not lie to us all about the actual cost of that Brodix All Billet Motor and intake system. Its a 40 grand Billet motor compared to a true blue all long block Ford 5.0. Now where is your LS Stock long block, that's what these arguments are always about...but guys like you aren't intelligent enough to even go and price all this up...just try it and tell me what cost you actually get. This is a slap in the face to the GM guys, your being treated like your all stupid and don't know any better!!!

[@bigmike9408]

Should have been called LSX vs. Coyote bcuz that's what it was Still BadAss builds Though

[@shaadydog1]

Funny, now we give compression to the Coyote .... This isnt going to prove capability in any way!!!! PUT TWIN 88 OR 91 ON IT AND LET THEM EAT

[@dylnbxtr]

I’d like to see what the difference in builds would be when the cost of labour is taken into consideration. The amount of time and precision taken would blow most budgets out of proportion

[@monstermushroomcloud]

I feel like the Coyote guys already feel like they lost.

[@tomhamilton9140]

With GM having aftermarket heads and 125 more cubic inches, what to hell do you expect?

[@primetimekiller5475]

@@tomhamilton9140 I've always thought about LS engines like an android phone completely customizable with a lot of 3rd party support. As to where I see the coyote like an iPhone theres not a bunch of shit made for them or aftermarket support. Ultimately the android is better because of the way you can mod them compares to an iPhone where you're limited

[@northfloridacowboy8728]

Fuck all, when is the last episode? It's been a fucking month

[@Steve-wl7jt]

Unbelievable!!! I am unsubscribing after this last video comes out! You slipped up at the end of your LSX build and stated that "you were on your final Trip home" in other words both engines were already built...and that was in January. Everyone is losing interest in your content and the wait for your videos is way too long!

[@henri1511]

You have to wonder what Summit and the other sponsors think of this????

[@dcarden3031]

Lol microwave babies. No patience

[@dcarden3031]

@@henri1511 we dont give a shit its business

[@nateonfireball]

Won’t cam lockouts disable the TI-VCT and therefore kill low end torque production?

[@charlesnienhouse9517]

You are correct, but the blower and E85 will get it back plus some.

[@totobyafrica847]

@@charlesnienhouse9517 Wouldn't it just be better to leave them as is? What advantages do the cam lockouts give?

[@denniswilliston3061]

I was getting by all the corny filters and over editing for this show and because I enjoyed the 10k shootout but this teaser premier garbage really makes me want unsubscribe.

[@numinous4789]

Another great video, guys. Y'all are executing it very well. One problem I have with your rules is "any extensive or unusual machining or porting must come out of the budget." What's "extensive"? What's "unusual"? I'm glad to see that both sets of heads had CNC work, which is arguably comparable.

[@mrjesuschrist2u]

LS wasn't charged for the work done on the heads or the modified Factory crank....

[@numinous4789]

@@mrjesuschrist2u Neither were charged for the CNC head work. Both had work done on the cranks, too. I was a little sad that the machining for the dry sleeves was added in, but it makes sense.

[@mrjesuschrist2u]

@@numinous4789 it was listed 600 for port work. They paid 1800 for the long block was my understanding. I could be wrong ....

[@SomervilleMetalWorks]

@@numinous4789 yes it was 600 for port work but ls there was no charge. There was also no prices on ls for valves and springs yet the coyote had been charged. ...

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

Re-sleeving the block is "extensive" but standard boring, honing, etc is not.

[@HondaFn1]

They always been bias to Chevy!

[@robertgardner2782]

How are they biased to Chevy. God damn you 5.0 guys are complaining already. They let a 5.0 builder do the damn engine his own way and y'all still crying.

[@tomhamilton9140]

And we are still umping over three billion dollars a year into GM. imagine that.

[@benjaminkessler8169]

is 8hp worth having no cooling of the piston bottom? just wondering.

[@primetimekiller5475]

No not what so ever. But I mean if they wanna over hear with their 4 cams go for it

[@johnhamblin12201]

I absolutely hate this. Quit comparing a 6.2 vs a 5.0. Who’s idea to use a pro charger anyway. Everyone knows a vmp makes way better low end power and could help lower end and midrange torque. Oh I know why this is Chevy guys trying to beat the coyote and that’s the only way they can skew the results

[@anthonywebber2211]

Baggerz Anonymous the LS engine there using this time is 7 liters, 2 valve engines need displacement to compensate for the lack of flow that 4 valve have

[@argelioolivares631]

@@anthonywebber2211 plus its a iron block they love boost they will be able to shove more boost then a typical ls6.2

[@johnhamblin12201]

typical chevy guy response... well you see its not really an advantage having 2 extra litres cause you see you have 4 valves and we only have two. (kidding) lol but in all reality yes the 4 valve head flows really well BUT those 2 valve cnc ported heads going on the ls will probably be square port and they flow extremely well.

[@poopinator22]

Why are there NO TVS cars on shows like Street Outlaws and a shitload of Procharged cars? A Procharged car will just as much low-mid range power as a TVS if its spooled via trans-brake or foot-brake. Centri will EAT a twin screw on the top end

[@anthonywebber2211]

@@johnhamblin12201, I didn't call it an advantage genius, it just evens the playing field a bit, the displacement comes from how much air an engine takes in every 2 revaulions

[@Ls3guy]

You are going to blow that engine up with that 12.5-1 pistons

[@luciankristov6436]

Plenty of 4.6 and 5.4s on higher compression making more power.

[@Ls3guy]

@@luciankristov6436 not with boost

[@markball7028]

Randall Wyatt not on E85. They can run higher compression ratios with it than dinosaurs juice.

[@robertelmo7736]

105 octane minimum lol....does make a difference!

[@shigeolincolntaco]

? why are they using a 7.0L engine to go up against a 5.0L engine? Isn't that a bit of an overkill? Doesn't GM have anything close to the displacement of the Ford to use?

[@nathan22outdoors8]

This is a competition not a comparison.

[@robertgardner2782]

The 6.2 can be stroked to 7.0 by just changing the crankshaft.

[@cliffordcullen1687]

Yes they do. 4.8 LR4 truck engine. Shorter stroke than the 5.3 truck engine. 6.0 big bore truck block plus the 4.8 LR4 crankshaft plus ported factory LS3 heads equals a 8000 plus rpm screemer that's under 5.4 liters. 👍

[@YOSHI450R]

Alpha Wërks Ford just released a 7.3l give it a few years. And don't forget about Fords OHC 600hp pump gas 427 from the 60's. Nascar banned it before it ever hit the track.

[@robertjohnson4784]

Okay why is Ford using a 4 valve engine instead of a 2 valve engine what about that comparison Chevy makes all that power with two valves when Ford is producing Engine with four valves and 4 camshafts Coyote motors are way more expensive to build than a LS motor any day

[@adrianmurphy8927]

Here's a FACT GM v8s shit on coyote/ford! Here in Australia we have the best burnout cars in the world and its proven that GM ls,SBC and BBC are tough as a 3 legged kangaroo

[@Laviathan50]

The LS platform is a cheap Byzantine pushrod POS which is why Koenigsegg went with Fords DOHC platform and why the Supercar and Hypercar manufacturers go with a DOHC design in general. No reputable Supercar is going to put cheap rock and chisel pushrod motor in their car

[@robertgardner2782]

Have you not heard of the Hennessy venom 🤣

[@cliffordcullen1687]

There using LS motors in 150,000 dollar sand rails, trophy trucks, drag cars, boats, and have been approved for small aircraft. It works and works hard and lasts. It's amazing how many chain problems I've seen on overhead cam engines. Miles of chain rubbing against plastic chain tensioners and guides that fail and end up in the oil pan. Wrenching for 32 years and fixing drivetrain and engine problems I see things from the inside out. Less is more.

[@scottsigmon926]

Leviathan 5.0 Lol! I can’t stop laughing! Beating up on the LS people is so easy and whether you believe it or not, they do have a good truck motor. It’s nothing special, right? Low rpm big torque, just like a dump truck engine!

[@WynterK]

😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣

[@waynebollentin989]

The fastest cars in drag racing run pushrod still simpleton. While the coyote is a great motor from the factory and kicks the shit out of the LS. Top fuel, funny car, pro stock, pro mod etc all the fastest cars are pushrod still numb nuts.

[@jarrusjenkins]

A lot of people are complaining about the LS being over specced compared to the Coyote, and while that's true (sort of....I'll explain) the fact is, it is a 15 grand for 15 grand shootout and considering what has been said in this video in particular, the Coyote doesn't have the aftermarket like the Chevy LS so prices are going to be more competitive for the LS stuff and the fact is has only 1 cam and 2valves per cylinder does also take away cost (but it would have been interesting to see what the Coyote would do with some worked over voodoo head on it but like it was said, just wasn't in the budget) I suppose what we should of had happend was a Chevy LS vs Ford Modular shoot out rather than just the Coyote

[@robertjohnson4784]

Also for the Ford crybabies ford just introduced a 7.3 L engine and there are calling it Godzilla guess what it's not a modular engine it has a single camshaft in it and I don't understand how they're calling it Godzilla when the old school Chevy 454 is a 7.4 L also the 496 is a 8.1 liter in the 572 is a 9.3 L and they're calling it Godzilla come on Ford you're still behind

[@juicebox8549]

behind? i mean fords smaller engines always outpowered those useless overated engines

[@claas90017]

Ford also offers a 572 Also with a factory ford BBF block you can go almost 600. Grow up.

[@juicebox8549]

@@claas90017 its okay man, chevy guys just never want to see or notice anything else thats not chevy.

[@billysandals]

Funny, that 8.1 only made 450 fl/lbs of torque. The old Caddy 500 with only a few more CI made 550ft/lbs of torque, and that was a car engine from the 70's.

[@robertjohnson4784]

@@juicebox8549 what you really mean is the 5 O coyote makes more power with less cubic inches the same engine that comes in the brand new Mustang that people are suing Ford over asking them to buy back there cars because of the famous coyote tick internal Ford memo do nothing about it until the engine blows up also Transmissions are breaking shifting Forks because Ford was to cheap to keep the Tremec transmission the same goes for their diesel engine lineup Ford produce three different diesel engines in a 10 year time span because of all the continuous problems they had with diesel engines I've owned Ford products never again

[@Hogwarts-Dropout]

@9:34 So you're saying that using oem bearings in a build like this is a no no because of the precision clearances? It's funny how in all of these build videos no one talks about bearing choices, tri-metal (copper/lead/tin) vs oem style bi-metal (aluminum/silicon.) From what I know bi-metal bearings will last a lot longer, but all aftermarket bearing manufacturers say you shouldn't use these in a build above 500 horsepower, yet the LS9, LSA, Hemis all have bi-metal bearings. I'd like to hear what pro engine builders have to say about this. Is this true, or is it just a marketing ploy?

[@vicrizzo3330]

Mustang is best bang for buck period. LS/LT nutswingers just stay hating 😂 everyone knows a gaymero can’t handle a little boost out the factory

[@anthonywebber2211]

Amazing Stock Bottom End 6.0L Makes 1,543 HP with Turbos!

[@anthonywebber2211]

Lingenfelter High Flow Direct Injection Fuel Kit Helps Push LT4 Beyond 1,500 HP

[@vicrizzo3330]

Re read my comment. Are you that dense ?

[@vicrizzo3330]

Love when chevtards run to 4.8s, 5.3s, and 6.0s when it comes to boost lol. Gotta love em. When a coyote can boost an run all season long. Not just do a few glory passes and throw in the towel. Lol amazing

[@anthonywebber2211]

Vic Rizzo it depends on the Tune After eclipsing 1,200 hp, we kept going. Raising the boost beyond 27 psi resulted in what we suspect was an ignition failure. The motor was still in perfect shape internally and worked well up to 26 psi, but unfortunately we were out of available dyno time. The motor survived more than 60 runs, the majority of them more than 1,000 hp. We hammered this motor like we stole it, with repeated back-to-back pulls, but the little LS never missed a beat and was ready for more. Then something dawned on us after pulling it off the dyno: 5.3s don’t come with flat-top pistons (we know the few exceptions). Combine this with the fact that this combination produced peak power at 7,000 rpm, and we started to suspect that it might not be a 5.3 after all. Off came the oil pan and sure enough, connected to those flat-tops was set of 121 connecting rods and a crank that featured a casting number of 12553482. That’s right, this 1,203hp 5.3 was actually a 4.8L. That’s just 294 ci for a stunning 4.09 hp/ci. The longevity of the combination is still in question, but having survived about 60 pulls under big boost means it could easily run a full season at the strip,

[@android-ud2nf]

I agree that it's a weird comparison. In my opinion the 5.0 should have been put up against a 6.2 ls3 but then again no need to get all wild and wish the opposing side to die because you dont agree. All in all the same amount of money was spent. Just not sure why we are comparing a corvette motor against a gt motor. I think there should have been some better rules at the get go. I know the price wouldnt allow it but we should be comparing an ls7 against a voodoo If anything.

[@Afool4travel]

I still find it funny that same as the 1st shootout, the Ford has to be a used block just to make budget. LOL! There is a reason why so many Ford product builds use Chevy motors in them. Easier to build, cheaper to build, more reliable. Ford has always been snobs about their products, and they don't care about their customers. "It if you want it, then pay up sucker!"

[@lawnmowermanlawnmowerman9930]

Bullshit dude,Ford has always made a way more durable engine than Chevrolet. And I'm a retired ASE certified technician before you say I don't know what I'm talking about. I own nothing but Ford products,I won't even work on a GM anything anymore.

[@Afool4travel]

So out of what I said, the only thing you can comment on is the reliability. You may have the experience with dealing with them, but I think the fact more people use the product over Ford's speaks for itself. You can't even debate about the price difference either, which was my main point.

[@lawnmowermanlawnmowerman9930]

@@Afool4travel Around where I live it's the young guys who are buying the GM stuff left and right. Then promptly tearing it to hell trying to make it do way beyond it's capability. I have always known that GM parts were cheaper because of the mountains of blown up or torn up GM vehicles in all the junkyards. There's several junk car businesses around my area. My son and his wife being one of them. But I have worked at and managed several auto repair businesses as well as one auto salvage business in the past 30 years and we could always count on GM products breaking down on a regular basis,they were our bread and butter. I have built and or rebuilt more than 10,000 engines in my career and I can attest to the absolute fact that GM engines and drive systems are not as durable as Ford or RAM(Dodge to me) engines and drive systems.

[@luciankristov6436]

Scott Smith you realize the lsx block itself is over 5 K.... The ford has a cheap junker block with machine work. The coyote was cheaper even with labor cost. In the end ford has the 1/4 record the h pattern shift record and the fastest 1 mile record along with tons of le mans and other race records. Still waiting on an LS to make it into the 5s...lots of fords have... Youre just an idiot that has no experience with engine builds. Just stop

[@Afool4travel]

@@luciankristov6436 I think you've been sniffing to much gas fumes from whatever Ford you may drive. I didn't call anyone names, regardless of what I think, but you seem to be obliviously ignorant. But you also didn't look at the cost sheet that was posted on the video's either. They posted the LSX block at $2782 verses $1800 for the "JUNK" block Ford complete motor. NEW V/S USED! Not to mention all the machine work and sleeving just to keep it from cracking the block(YES, I'm talking the list price, LOOK at what I'm talking about not what you want to argue about. And as far as your 5 sec non-since, you don't watch much drag racing do ya. Chevy also has also won many Le Mans races, 8 in the most recent years. A Chevy motor is also in the Hennessy Venom Gt (with a Guinness World Record for Fastest Road Legal Car). I may not work on the motors myself, but I know many who do including family. They have numerous Ford's in their shops with constant problems compared to Chevy's. So, I will not stop hating Ford's because I have seen and heard nothing good about them. You may like your overpriced non-since, with a company that milks it's fandome( that's an idiot to me), so don't expect me to Stop.

[@Hogwarts-Dropout]

That's very interesting about those oil squirters. In what situations would you really need them?

[@NeilJable]

Why don’t they have a category for looks? Because the Coyote is the butt ugliest engine of all time.

[@g8r5oh10]

GET EM TIM AND MPR CREW! COYOTEH POWA!

[@nathan22outdoors8]

Lol

[@robertjohnson4784]

Come on guys I would put $1,000 wager that you cannot call that machine shop and ask them to build you that same exact engine for $15,000 will never happen. So let's take away the expense of the Machining you still cannot buy that engine the blower alone is going to be 5 to $7,000. I personally am a LS fan but I do know the coyote with the four valves loves boost. Also coyote parts are way more expensive then LS parts . Have any of you guys priced a set of coyote heads with upgraded valves and also a CNC Port job twice as many valves and twice as many Parts Plus Chainz and guide come on these guys are think we are dummies I bet you couldn't buy set of coyote heads done up that way for 5 grand but anyway let's watch the results and see who built the best motor

[@mrjesuschrist2u]

Go to the LME page and build the LS for "15k" machine work on the block, heads, and crank were not factored in for the LS but the machine work for the Coyotes block and heads came out of the 15k. Bulk of the money on the coyote went to the heads .... Cause theres more of everything

[@mrjesuschrist2u]

@@vernonpitts6630 the LS has a modified factory crank, machine work to it isnt any dofferent then the work to put in the sleeves. They changed/modified an existing product that came from the factory.

[@SilverRaven1959]

Hey Einstein...they used a Junk yard truck Coyote engine. The cranck was the factory crank also...so a sleeved blocks and rotating assembly is what they bought as they did the LSX...however the LSX was a bbig lie...tell me you can buy a 427 Brodix All Aluminum Engine, custom intake and ported to match for 15G's. Give your head a shake...the Coyote is still just a 5.0 Liter.

[@eyesopen444]

I've only been waiting forever

[@camarols3933]

All that hard work just to get outperformed by a pushrod engine🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@camarols3933]

@deadboy600 Lmao "little 5 liter" that takes up to 3 times the physical space of an LS.. Get outta here ferd boy the only time coyotes are gapping corvettes and camaros are in a ferd guys wet dreams😂😂👏🏼👏🏼

[@scottsigmon926]

CamaroLS3 Sir, at some point you are going to be correct with that statement! The LSX will beat the little ol 5.0 in at least one of the categories.

[@juicebox8549]

@@camarols3933 omg man who gives a fuck about the physical size. Your just like a fucking girl thinking size matters. Stfu obviously you dont know shit about engines. ls engines are 20 plus years old, its time for the coyote to shine.

[@madguy1010]

Seems funny to me all coyote ford fans sound just like ls fans when the ls came out.... tbh i love the ls, hate the coyote, imo the best motors ford ever made was a 460 big block and a 351 windsor. Which in fact those 2 ford motors have both been proven to make more power and be more reliable than any coyote ever made or built. Just like the LS. Its cheap, easy, reliable power. Not to mention gm actually had a dohc v8 i 94 vette zr1 which made 500hp but the problem with them was that the dohc zr1 motors werent cheap to build or fix. Ran good but not reliable like a pushrod hammer n chisel v8

[@camarols3933]

@@juicebox8549 Boy shut yo ass up.. You would associate size immediately with a dick thing.. Leave it up to ferd guy to make make things gay.. I know a lot more than you think..The only time 4 valves is really better than 2 is for top end performance.. Pushrod dominate the low to mid range performance..

[@WynterK]

Omg I love reading these comments of grown ass men bashing the absolute shit out of 2 amazing motors. Pure comedy 🤣.

[@davidarreola2013]

There cheating already with a used truck block, if that was a case lme could have gotten a junkyard 6.0 for $300

[@robertgardner2782]

Dont worry about it. Let the 5.0 guys do all the complaining lol.

[@austinhowze6280]

They didnt go that route they wanted a lsx block so Chevy is a step a head and Chevy didnt get changed for all that machine work on them aftermarket parts

[@mrjesuschrist2u]

Lol a production ls block wont hold the power these are going to make.

[@robertgardner2782]

@@mrjesuschrist2u the 5.0 block got alot of machined and sleeve work done to it as well.

[@justinyoung4299]

Why can't an OEM GM block hold 1500hp like a Ford can?

[@robertgardner2782]

What you 5.0 guys cant wrap your heads around is that the LS is actually smaller, weighs less, costs less and has less moving parts than a 5.0 and still makes more power. The displacement is rated higher because it moves more per revolution. That is why the 5.0 needs to rev to 8,000 fucking rpm to do anything. 5.0 has a short stride lol.

[@mikegriswold6780]

The scoring system seems flawed, but I don't care to get fully vested in this argument as I care more about results from cars vs dyno's. So from a non-expert view, but in general the 2nd criteria seems like automatic 3 points for LS. The 3rd criteria is automatic 2 points for Coyote and it feels like a handicap for Coyote. I could tell from watching the LS build episode that the previous NA video series was just to prove their bias. The guys was slobbering all over the LS blocks?? Seems like the fix will always be in unless the contest includes someone that is an advocate of both types. The guy should say "full disclosure -- I love LS motors and I want LS to win" that way there's at least some credibility.

[@henri1511]

They were slobbering over an LS block a mere clone of the very old FE block. Nice going Chevy freaks.

[@shaadydog1]

The shame of it is we were stuck with shyt 302/305 and tp350 for years... Ford had a great thing right in their hands till Chevy swooped in and modernized it. Ford has had their hand in alot of inoovative stuff and then abandon it, one of their most glaring shortcomings. Their engine lines are not the easiest to follow and it's continued to today, right back to pushrod for fleet trucks. Gm meanwhile could have blessed us with a 18/15 degree V8 how long ago? With minor changes to production blocks. As good as the Ls/Lt platforms have been and developed that still pisses me off. Ford should take the best attributes of their entire line of engines and hybrid them into 1 engine. Both GM/Ford should develop their DOHC v8 into v10/12 too. GM should adapt Ls/Lt heads to the BBC, the cam vvt, DI and whatever else from the platform for their rumored over 8 liter fleet engine being developed. Coincidence they coming out with BB tytpe engines about the same time for the same basic purpose?

[@clinthaworth309]

Where in the hell is the 4th episode? My God I think Noah built the Ark quicker than you have made this series

[@BC08]

Why in the world did Tim Eichorn pick an F1A to go up against an F1X in a dyno challenge where peak power is 1/3 of the criteria? Max rpm to max rpm, he's starting at a 250 HP deficit.

[@shaadydog1]

THEY CANT EVER DO THINGS THE WAY SOMEONE IN THE REAL WORLD WOULD TO DO A TRUE BUDGET COMPARISON ALWAYS NEED TO LEAVE ROOM FOR ????? I said it up top they should just strap twin 88 or 94 on and let them eat...

[@BC08]

shaadydog1 I agree

[@War_Horse23]

You Gone Learn Today #MPRTTMFF

[@AlteredCarbons]

i really like how the yote looks , but i think that LSX is gonna win

[@LSmiata]

Crank and main journal bearings: Measure crank O.D. per piston. Measure Rod with bearing I.D. What is the precision and accuracy of your instruments? By measuring two pieces separately, the error margin is doubled. Do you Plasitgauge? Or are your instruments that good? Please advise, Mr. P

[@Mish93Will]

Are they going to concrete the block 😉. Can't wait to see what happens.

[@17sanjoeddie]

Well based on the fact that they went with a junk yard yote engine and the fellas with the LS build have only stock head studs.....I think the LS is going to win.....maybe they shoulda stroked the yote as well to get a few more C.I. but that 427 is super built compared tho this shit.....still gotta give it to MPR for the effort but they dont know what they're getting into....I think in the real test they should put both engines into fox bodies with same transmission and same gears and then see who wins that......I'm a Ford guy and yes im rooting for the yote build but and LS7 vs a junk yard truck engine is truly like david vs goliath......good luck MPR you're gunna need it

[@POWERLSX]

You are talking about sleeved coyote block that can handle 2000hp not a junk yard block vs aftermarket ls block that can handle similar power level. What the coyote loses in cubic inches compensates for in heads flow, compression, 4 cams, and high RPM. It's just a different approach of making hp. Don't also forget that they added points for hp/cubic inch in this shootout. I personally think it's a fair game.

[@17sanjoeddie]

@@POWERLSX Still think it's a miss match....

[@argelioolivares631]

@@17sanjoeddie no shit bro i remember they doing a explanation video for every one after the first shoot out that they use a ls 6.2 because thats what your gonna find in a camaro ss. Well ive never seen a chevy off the lot with a 426 lsx iron block jajajajaja

[@17sanjoeddie]

@@argelioolivares631 Well there is the C6 zo6 and the camaro Z28 that have the Ls7 but no where near that Ls7 block they're using....one of the rules should've been OEM block

[@anthonywebber2211]

@@17sanjoeddie, LSX is a GM built engine

[@1997obspsd]

Where s the shoot off? Been waiting a while. Lol

[@codyclingerman3147]

I believe the Coyote is really gonna deliver with the boost. Considering the LS has a C.I. advantage they should let the Coyote use its higher reving DOHÇ design to somewhat even the builds, but that's just MHO.

[@charlesnienhouse9517]

There is no mandated RPM limit