This might be the worst MacBook I've ever bought...

[@lukemiani]

Definitely took an L on this one

[@Zebra_Paw]

I mean... if you buy MacBooks of course you take an L! Say hello to blatant scam RAM and storage price, and yet they are both unupgradable even in desktops. That's unacceptable!

[@Mooooooof]

do you think the studio display was originally going to be the 27inch apple silicon Mac but they changed their mind late on? looking at the thickness, ports, speakers, webcam, holes which could've been used for cooling etc

[@Zebra_Paw]

Though the worst ever is stuff paired to logic boards like Touch ID. And... M1 Macs fully disabling themselves if the SSD dies. For that 2016... keyboard is garbage even when it works, and hardware is garbage too, for an expensive Pro device it's unacceptable!

[@braddl9442]

Take it apart for parts when you buy one of your broken lots of stuff. You know thats what its good for.

[@Steampunk_Star_Raisin]

It's a bad SMC chip. Get a donor board for the chip...

[@justanormaluser1535]

Maybe you should send it to Louis Rossmann as a sort of collaboration. I’m quite certain the board is saveable and it won’t be too expensive

[@TNE_YT]

Up!

[@eppicshotgun1281]

"Theres nothing you can fuck up that I can't fix" One of my favorite Rossmann quotes lol

[@kingneutron1]

GMTA

[@matthewjumamoy8047]

Would love to see this collab lol

[@amberisvibin]

that's a good idea!

[@ConorORegan]

As bad as the performance on 2016 era MacBooks might’ve been, you can’t deny they look great

[@Zebra_Paw]

I prefer the unibodies... upgradability, proper cooling (except the fan curve but a software fixes it), and... yeah!

[@JasonFoks]

the trash can mac pro was also as good looking but also plagued with many issues! looks can be very decieving... you cannot turn a turd to gold no matter how much you polish it

[@marxistlynchist]

I admire them in a weird way because I think this era of the Mac was the wake up call for Apple to abandon Intel since the balance between design and performance was no longer there like it was in the Unibody laptop era. The M1 Macbook Air and Pro are an amazing statement to end that era of design- as those designs used to constrain the usability, but Apple Silicon finally unleashed the performance users always wanted. Plus we still got good stuff out of this era like the amazing trackpad, touch bar if you were into that, and the improvement in USB C connectivity across the board.

[@tbirdparis]

I used to think that too. Till I was forced to use one and had such a nightmare of an experience that they actually look ugly to me now. In fact, I'm even turned off the look of Space Grey entirely, because it reminds me of that era of awful machines...

[@Zebra_Paw]

Thin usually means it's garbage. There is no way they fit proper cooling or even hardware. And yes, for your 1000+ dollars, you got an i5 6360U, which unsurprisingly gets outperformed by a 2009 Core 2 Quad that's worth less than 10 bucks today, and this will cook itself because of the horrible cooling combined with a stupid fan curve. You get 8GB of DDR3 memory... yes, DDR3... in 2016, and that is soldered! You get that horrible keyboard, which even if it was reliable would still be horrible, and... you get a proprietary SSD, and it's only replaceable on the model without the Touch Bar... on the other one the SSD can't be replaced... and the Touch ID is paired to the logic board, so you can't swap it. The prices for more RAM or storage are also a blatant scam! Even if this was 100 dollars today, I would not buy it!

[@MattTalkTech]

Great video Luke, you are right about Apple Silicon Macs dropping in Value slowly. But you can pick up a M1 MacBook Air for around $600 now. I found one for $660 with 8GB of Ram and 256GB of storage two months ago on eBay. It still had 5 months Warranty on it as well with box, charger etc... Definitely worth every cent/penny!

[@krim7]

I love how your comment got a scammer 😂

[@SirPotatoJoe]

How do you find those super cheap listings?! I wish haha

[@magfal]

The slow speed might be a failed sensor reporting -126 degrees and the CPU being locked to 700mhz. This can also happen if communication with the battery doesn't fully work.

[@RiccardoMerloVegan]

Exactly

[@Malc180s]

You'd be hearing the fans going mad

[@magfal]

@@Malc180s nope mine didn’t. The fan stayed normal. The only noticeable change was sloooooooow boot and login.

[@belugabruh9112]

SMC chip could be damaged?

[@magfal]

@@belugabruh9112 tried all the resets and flashing the SMC nothing like that really helped. I tested with a first party battery and it worked fine.

[@notavery]

I had always wanted a MacBook since its design always appealed to me, but man I am so glad I waited until M1 to buy into the mac ecosystem. I don't have a single complaint about my M1 Air and the horror stories I hear of my friends Intel MacBooks all the time REALLY makes me glad I waited.

[@kevinpatel2468]

Me too, It's my birthday today and I would like to treat myself with macbook M1 air 512 GB, 8 core, 8 GB Ram specs. From now on, I'm switching to Mac OS. Before, I couldn't afford i7 MacBooks. So I have waited almost 3-4 years to finally get hands on something that's worth the wait time.

[@gilanggilang9859]

you guys in usa have it easy to get apple products here in my country the price 1,5 higher cus no official apple store here. I want m1 too :( they say its really efficient laptops.

[@gilanggilang9859]

@@kevinpatel2468 why u don't choose the pro? I heard mba m1 doesn't have active colling system.

[@SaveznaRepublikaJugoslavija]

@@gilanggilang9859 Wait for Windows on ARM. Apple is a scam

[@HollyBaron-f3g]

I prefer the fanless design of the MBA M1 to the 13” MBP M1 as the fan can get noisy at times, which is totally a non issue on the MBA M1, also using the laptop on the bed is much more efficient without a fan as with a fan there is also dust accumulation inside the MacBook as well as more heat generation as the MacBook’s only choice is to run the fan faster the more warmer it gets with time, for this reason the M1 MBA is a far better choice than the 13” MBP M1

[@Steve_Sn3]

I had a similar problem with my 2017 13" non touchbar MacBook Pro. The problem started a week after Apple replaced the swollen battery. I ended up replacing the ssd which solved the problem.

[@akashsarda9689]

The design is unbeatable though. I prefer it to the new 14 and 16 inch models.

[@SportSync_official]

No excuse

[@jamesfiegel9675]

Yeah they have old plastic Macbook designs :(

[@sgeggbub1008]

Nah it’s too sharp

[@KanwarAnand]

Lol

[@ytApplecations]

The thermals for the intel ones in this design suck though, but the M1 MBP in that design worked great

[@lucasdebarros8712]

Had this exact same machine with the exact same issues. After one year struggling with apple they gave me a new one. Apparently the issue was with the SSD.

[@danlivas]

I remember having undiagnosable issues with both 2016 and 2017 Macbook Pros. Had to meticulously explain every detail to Authorized Repair who looked at me like I was crazy. Inconsistent wifi, inconsistent thunderbolt, system hangs under specific GPU loads, corrupted file exports. Replaced the motherboards and sold them off

[@lifeisabeginning]

I got a 2017 macbook pro for $1300 and it was the worst laptop I've ever purchased by a country mile. Somehow managed to sell it for $500. Now I have a 2020 m1 air that has been an absolute workhorse for over 2 years.

[@ItsMeEllenB]

I had a 2017 non-touch bar MacBook Pro, which I bought in September 2018 for uni. In March 2021 I upgraded to the M1 MBP because my 2017 laptop was unusable. The battery lasted 2 hours at best, it would freeze with just microsoft word open, zoom and other similar applications would constantly crash (which wasn't great for online school), and it would become so hot it could double up as a hot water bottle! My M1 MBP is still, a year later, miles better than my 2017 MBP ever was. I don't think I've heard the fans once on this laptop, yet that was an hourly occurrence before - I can't believe they were the same price when I bought them.

[@tobiasschmidt1662]

Funnaly enough I did the same, so bought a 2017 non touch bar in early 2018 for uni but never experienced stuff like that, maybe I got lucky. But nevertheless currently thinking of upgrading

[@Killer5t67]

@@tobiasschmidt1662 no no you aren't lucky but they just wanna criticize stuff maybe it is true of what she said but I have one too funnily enough that I also bought it in 2018 its Perfect

[@dgpsf]

Trade it in to Apple!! I got $190 for a 2012 13” and $200 for an original 12” MacBook. I know I could have gotten more on eBay but anyway, the main point is, with it appearing working at first glance, and being in good cosmetic shape, it has a good chance of passing the cursory inspection they do before (probably) shredding it, as Apple loves to do with any device they get back 😂

[@almightynz2683]

They refurbish them usually or recycle them

[@mattobambino]

When you traded it in? They wouldn’t even give me an offer for my 13” 2012 mbp like a year ago (in the US)

[@jareczek7822]

Great advice. Apple will change haunted ssd and resell perfectly fine machine with much profit. They only wait for returns 😂

[@kingneutron1]

Luke, I would be interested to know if this cursed laptop stabilizes when running from an external drive. Use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy the OS + everything to a Samsung T5 or similar and boot from that. If it runs stable then it's likely an SSD issue. Otherwise it sounds like maybe electrical short or overheating, have you tried MacsFanControl?

[@jameslee428]

This was my first thought too. Replace the SSD and re-install the OS.

[@ps5hasnogames55]

@@jameslee428 >2017 macbook >"replace the SSD"

[@Beyonder1881]

@@ps5hasnogames55 actually in the 2017 non touchbar are the very latest macbook pros (albeit a shit year) where you can actually replace the SSD.

[@SavingSpace]

I paid $220 for a cursed laptop. This is how horror movies start…

[@K24Z3CU2]

I still have and love my 2015 13" MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM/256GB SSD/512GB MicroSD Card. It's an i5 and it's not a custom build. I bought it from Apple directly 1 day before they ceased sale of them upon releasing the Touch Bar MacBook Pro. I read some horror stories then and certainly couldn't forego my USB-A ports for 4x USB-C. The Mac to this day works flawlessly, never have any system issues, battery is still awesome. The Mac is running on Catalina. I'm not going any higher. This software version may not be 100% perfect but I don't like the look of Big Sur or Monterey. The best MacOS IMO would be Snow Leopard. As for iPhones. I have pretty much every model from the 3GS and above. I have stopped at iPhone SE 2nd Gen. I am satisfied with it and it's Dual Line capabilities, battery life is good, camera does the job. Not interested in getting a phone that costs the same price as a computer!

[@noodles.is.awayyy]

has your macbook gotten any slower over the years? if so is it enough to be an issue?

[@weok-doing-things]

so I have a 2017 15inch MacBook Pro. I have had repaired it like 4-5 times. and 4 times out of it it was in the first year of use. The repair included full replacement of top case part of the body - including keyboard, speakers, unibody and all other things. The first thing was died left speaker. Then right speaker, then keyboard and then keyboard again. This is just 1st year. And this is just a Touch Bar model. As far as I knew at this point the models without touch bar were much more stable in that areas and many my friends didnt have any problems.

[@GrzegorzMikos]

I would like to see Mr. Rossman trying to diagnose and fix it. Also it would be great collaboration.

[@lukeFugate]

Yeah, I'll stick to my 2012 MBP. Very good machine, especially since upgrading to 16 gb ram, SSD and the improvement that made the most difference was going from Catalina to MX Linux. It is now lightning fast.

[@bren.r]

I owned this same exact model and can confirm the performance was atrocious and the battery drain issue was so aggravating. Using a 16” M1 Max MacBook and it’s night and day.

[@movdqa]

Dual Core anything from 2009 to 2020 is a bad time.

[@AvocadoAtrocity]

Please call Louis Rossmann and collab on this MacBook. 😂

[@babarfyi]

That would be a killer episode

[@dan_1150]

Luke, send the logicboard to Paul Daniels / Louis Rossmann, it would be interesting to see what’s wrong with it!

[@DSCKottawa]

You should try sending it to Louis Rossmann, if it is a logic board issue, he has the schematics to diagnose and fix the issue. He could make a video as well, so more publicity for you.

[@serranoalb]

I was thinking the same.

[@ZombieLincoln666]

I would have done a fresh macOS install and reset the SMC

[@ilyasg2108]

that MacBook has to have an issue with some type of power circuit that isn't tested on the diagnostic. could also be the reason for the battery drain

[@mastropieros]

Great videos! Just like with crisps, I keep saying "okay, this will be the last one" ...and by the end "well, one more can't hurt, right?" Keep them coming, Luke!

[@utubekullanicisi]

Luke, I would suggest trying your luck with Louis with this laptop as well. Would be interesting to hear from Louis Rossmann about what the issue is as well in a second video

[@jailbreakhat1890]

I don’t want to be rude but I see people upgrading their iPhones and macs every time a new model drops out while an old iPhone 6s can get iOS 15 and 2015 MacBook Air can get macOS Monterey. I still don’t understand why people upgrade their Apple products every 1 or 2 years?

[@johncho8766]

I have a 2012 13” MBP, pre-Retina with an optical drive. Still getting 5+ hours of battery life, the keyboard is rock solid, I upgraded the RAM myself and swapped the HD for an SSD. Remember the good old days.

[@franklinguerrero6730]

This is not a 1M channel yet but as a tech-Apple fan this is one of my favorite channels even compared to those with 1M+ subscribers! Keep the good work

[@WitchRegen]

I still have a 2012 13 inch macbook pro that I upgraded to 8GB of RAM and an SSD. For being a dual core intel-based laptop from a decade ago, the thing is still surprisingly responsive once you get it booting from an SSD. It's a shame Apple lost their way for a period of time, but at least they've finally moved past the age of crappy Macbooks with the M1 series.

[@AvocadoAtrocity]

The 1:12 slick styrofoam thumb garbage off table hide. NICE. NIIIIICE 🤣

[@6StringPassion.]

1. Disconnect adapter. 2. Open bottom and disconnect battery. Connect adapter. It will boot without an issue. When you reconnect the battery, it will show it's charging, but it's a bad battery and will not hold a charge. Ignore the stats on it.

[@mahunnopfakkao6319]

Man, Thank you for figuring this out. I thought i am only one who faced this issue and did the same thing that you suggested to get 2015 Model years ago.

[@iPhone9925]

I was having the same problem with my previous 2017 non Touch Bar MacBook Pro 512GB. I bought it used for $950 and the guy said it is perfectly fine. The random shut down occurred a week after I bought the machine, and it continued randomly for around twice a week. I visited the Apple store for 4 times and the diagnosis turns out to be ok and of course they only offer me the option to replace the logic board. I was so frustrated and turns out sell it for less than half the price. I’ve heard of ppl saying it is a SSD issue tho I can never verify. What I am certain is I will NEVER buy a used MacBook.

[@nnolimjesse7746]

I can’t believe I really considered buying one. Thanks Luke 😅, you just saved my wallet. I’ll just be going for the M1.

[@patrickcecil1229]

Great video Luke. You are very honest and straightforward. I did take your advice and bought a early 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inch with the core i7 and 16 GB RAM. Needed a new battery but with help from iFixit I was able to replace the battery myself! I did note that when I replaced the battery that the SSD is replaceable on this model. Amazing! Keep up the good advice. (pst baking soda and water cleaned off the Apple scummy anti-reflective goop)

[@MickInOz82]

my 2017 15-inch has no problems at all, yes it has had a replacement battery through Apple Care everything works perfectly without any issue, the screen is perfect. I now have a 2021 15 inch M1 Pro, but I use the 2017 as a secondary machine when I need it. I think my 2017 was one of the good batch.

[@nonyanonyaalso3181]

Same here. 2017 mbp 3.1 1TB and it’s been performing well, just updated to Ventura from high sierra and so far zero issues. I must say though that the keyword style still not a fan.

[@synen]

The problem with older M1s is that as components fail as far as I know they cant be replaced.

[@dash8brj]

My 2018 macbook pro was cursed like this, after 3 months of battling with it, I returned it, and used the Australian Consumer Law to get a refund - basically it was not fit for purpose. A laptop should be able to launch zoom and word without bombing out. I kept my store credit (I was happ with that) and got the macbook air m1, what a difference! :)

[@JasonFoks]

i can relate! this sht happened to me when i was in online school! happy that apple gave a new 2020 m1 max for 1.2k USD thisyear after they probably spent close to 8,000 USD on the numerous rapairs (18 times over 3 years) for the keyboard, t2 chip, and display cable, touch id and the screws loosening form the case, the touch bar loosening from the frame and many other repairs ;\ i am happy with my m1max 24 core which is 8x times faster, whilst being barely warm to the touch... and no more beach balls of death even when stablising 4 streams of 4k. 20minutes tasks are now 2 minutes! my coffee machine is slower than my computer!

[@vivenreddy]

which model did you have that gave you all the issues?

[@JasonFoks]

@@vivenreddy 2018 13"

[@karmansinghsethi9353]

I have MacBook Air 2017 I preferred this model as at that time newer models keyboards were causing issues, mba 2017 is perfect I use it for school work, minecraft,some video editing, for listening songs,for movies

[@DigitalRiesNL]

Have you tried doing a thorough check of the RAM chips? I've owned a computer in the past that was working but it showed similar problems like the ones you described. It turned out that one of the RAM upgrades had one corrupt chip and after I replaced it, all my problems were solved.

[@alienrefugee51]

They're soldered to the Logic Board.

[@alliejr]

@@alienrefugee51 But they can still be bad. The problems look exactly like bad RAM.

[@dereinegreg]

@@alienrefugee51 Because they are soldered on, you can’t replace them

[@guillaumegagnon7049]

@@dereinegreg yes you can if you have a soldering station

[@ronlevin2339]

@@alienrefugee51 you can reflow them , usually it will help, no replacement is needed

[@E-UNIT127]

I have a 2017 non-touchbar MacBook Pro. It will get very got and the fan will randomly spin up to full speed when doing just simple tasks like internet browsing. Also the screen is starting to discolor a little around the edges and corners. Still use it almost every day tho.

[@shirshavitalis8639]

My MacBook pro 2017 also spin up the fan like hell.

[@rayproductionsbackupchanne3862]

I feel like a component on the pcb failed causing it to short at random. Which would both explain freeze battery drain and the refusal to boot. Maybe it's even ppbus itself

[@jameysummers1577]

Hey Luke! I own a business here in Pittsburgh called Mount Lebanon Computer and Technology. I fix MacBooks and PCs. I had a similar issue on a MacBook. A customer came to me with a MacBook of the same year that would randomly freeze. I found that re-balling new ram on to the logic board fixed the issue.

[@dogussahin]

My conclusion: that macbook is going through a major depression. send it to mountains for having fresh air and getting its act together

[@MisterTwisterWX]

Love your channel and content!

[@ExperienceCN]

I got a bad machines from apple as well but the genius run the diagnostics tool and didn't detected any problem. All third party programs show the SSD is way slower than normal. My problems was a slow machine and battery was draining way to fast. Its a 2015 MacBook 12" and I still have it because I'm barely using it nowadays. I would love to update but there is no light weight machine apple offers anymore.

[@PetsoKamagaya]

Thanks for the interesting comment on Apple Silicon Macs used prices in the near future. Even the lowliest M1 MacBook Air will be a great used buy. Suggestion: Can you do a video on used 27" iMacs. Now that Apple has discontinued the 27" iMac, the used values of the more recent models might not drop that much. It's really frustrating because I was waiting for a 27" Apple Silicon iMac but the Mac Studio and Studio display seem to be it...

[@076657]

A good opinionated video that actually says specific pros and cons to an old macbook pro instead of the generic moronic ‘for a x year laptop it works ok and is good for light use’ review that says the SAME things about ALL models. Wow I still use my iPhone 6S!!!❤ This guy knows what he’s talking about. You convinced me to keep my upgraded mid 2012 for a bit more until I can get an M1 for 500-600€ I was going to impulsively buy a 450€ 2017 13inch but you changed my opinion. Thanks.

[@TheRoarWithin]

You’re right - I got this for £1200 upon release and it’s absolutely dreadful. It’s put me off ever buying another MacBook or Mac product.

[@bwhittam]

I recently purchased a base model MacBook Air M1 with AppleCare+ (good until Dec of 2023) for $650. It's only really crime is being gold. I put a Fishskyn on it and love it so much!!

[@ricklosangeles5043]

Just a suggestion before you dump that Mac. Pull out the logic board remove the memory, SSD and bake it in an oven to reflow the solder. If you haven’t done this before there’s information online and videos on KZbin, I had problems with several PC laptops and this fixed the problem.

[@tompiaggio]

NO WAY! This happened to me as well with a 2016 15’ macbook pro. Apple wouldn’t take it until it randomly happened on the store. Then they took it and swapped basically everything inside hoping it would be fixed. I would also describe it as haunted. It still is btw

[@ColePerrine]

Went through film school with this exact configuration lol, first computer I bought myself.

[@watercannonscollaboration2281]

Your only hope for this one is to break the butterfly and have to get it repaired so many times that apple might just upgrade you to a newer one w/out a terrible keyboard that also happens to bypass the problems with this model

[@martianjk2565]

Luke, I do feel the frustration you faced with this MacBook 2017. To make it exciting and also to earn via KZbin a bit, Maybe you could remove the working parts(without telling anyone) and then just maybe shoot a video destroying the MacBook with some hard tools/drop tests. I don't recommend doing it every time but sometimes some weird content like this idea would also be an excitement for all viewers. Just a fan-ly opinion.

[@TehKaiser]

Leaving a battery fully charged wears it out even if the cycles are few. In fact, not having it drained down to 40 percent or so shortens lifespan.

[@FairchlldMusic1]

Sounds like a crack in the motherboard - bad ram trace. If you flex the chassis of the laptop when it’s working and it freezes, you’ll know you have a ram related problem. RAM is soldered - DOH!

[@colef2345]

If I get 2000 likes then luke has to edit a video on this machine in its current state

[@jansillanpaa41]

I recently got rid of my 2017 13” Macbook Pro for the 2015 15” Pro. Such a difference! The 2017 one would sound like a jet engine even from just opening Spotify, the keyboard was an absolute mess with keys sticking down on the daily. Obviously with the 15” now being seven years old, it’s not the fastest thing in the world but man is far, far more reliable than the 2017 one. Hoping to get through university with this one and then maybe I’ll look into getting a Mac with Apple silicon…

[@andyphunkmen2669]

Apologies if someone else already noticed this but Luke mentioned the m1 series dropping (at the time if the making of this video) down to the $500 range and BOOM he was right! They're dropping even more lately but personally I loved the a1708 model despite it not being far off from the a1706 he is has there. I'm not a fan of any touch bar macs honestly I've fixed them.

[@DannyWalls76]

Hi Luke, I had a similar issue with a late 2013 retina MBP which would randomly freeze and then shut down. Sometimes it would turn back on, but mostly not. Turned out to be the AirPort card. I left it out by accident and the laptop worked perfectly (albeit without wi-fi or bluetooth). Bought another on eBay and it was fine.

[@chpcaliforniahighwaypatrol]

With those model, the 2017 touchbar and non touch bar Mac, most of the time that "kind" of isues when it freezes and reboots, not turning on, recognizes then not charging battery, trackpad not cliking and I am sure at 90% it is the ISL9239 on the motherboard. I fixed one Mac with similar issue by changing the ISL9239, it is a BGA chip. It controls pretty much the main power line for the Mac. It could also be a sensor issue, around the ISL9239.

[@danielkingston4712]

Thank you for your video you answered a question I asked! Keep it up 👍

[@davidmullins3802]

Sound like the kernel is corrupted or one of capacitors on the board is about to go out for good. I would format the computer completely and do a fresh internet recovery. If that doesn’t fix most of the issue it is a capacitor that is about to go out. Some of the issues you are explaining is because I did an Internet Recovery on a slow internet connection. Which in turn corrupted the kernel. I was about to sell my computer, before I figured it out. I had these issue on a 2020 MacBook Pro

[@stephm4047]

8:08 I would ship it to Tim Cook with a nice side note : « please fix your sh*t, thank you ». 🤣🤣🤣

[@JamesChamberlainGamingNVlogs]

I own this model of MacBook Pro without the touchbar and the upgraded Core i7 (i7 7660u, dual core 2.5 Ghz) as well as 16 GB RAM. I personally enjoy mine very much. I came from a Chromebook that wasn't even too bad, but this laptop is far superior. It definitely is not the best laptop in the world, or even close to being a great product from Apple, but mine gets the job done for me. This is my daily laptop, and it's used mostly for browsing the web, various research, occasional school work, and of course, watching loads of KZbin. For this light work the machine is a pleasure to use, especially coming from a Chromebook. My laptops are used leisurely, mostly for lying in bed watching KZbin videos or reading web articles. I do end up frequently having many tabs (15+) open and can still easly get around my browser. For me the light form factor of this laptop is great, sicne I don't do anything particularly intensive with it aside from basic multi tasking. This laptop still looks and feels quite premium, plus I feel MacOS is a good operating system for laptops. The butterfly keyboard does have its flaws and I will gladly acknowledge them. I'm a mechanical keyboard enthusiuast and daily-drive a keyboard I built Kailh Box Jade switches and occasionally type on my IBM Model M keyboard. I like a good sounding and very tactile keyboard, so in that regard I like these butterfly swithces, but again, they are flawed. A couple function keys ended up needing to be pressed harder in order to register. Apple Care covered a replacement keyboard, but it's unfortunate I had to get a replacement in the first place. As for the display, I like it. 13 inches is definitely smaller compared to my mid 2010 15 inch (Wonderful laptop and still very viable to use today), but for just basic binge watching of KZbin while lounging or in-bed the 13 inch form factor is great. This is a brilliant looking screen and is very sharp, as I would expect from an Apple laptop. As for display issues, this laptop was dropped at one point I believe and the display was slightly nicked on the bottom corner, which caused a little bit of a burnt orange tinge to appear where it tired to display black in that tiny color. That was covered under Apple Care and the display was replaced. Once again however, the display looks great. This comment has turned into more of a comprehensive review but I just thought I'd provide my thoughts. As a final note, this laptop was purchased by my grandpa but he never got use out of it and offered it to me. Had I had the money this would have cost at the time, it would have definitely gone elsewhere as a much more powerful laptop could have been had for the money, though I think it would have lacked the great look and form factor of this. It is definitely a flawed laptop in some ways, but other than the butterfly keyboard, and the display damage which was caused by the user (thanks to the external damage there), this laptop is good for me. Just for reference, I'm a KZbin content creator, as well as a PC gamer and somewhat of a power user. If I need to get serious work done, I'll go to my custom built PC with a Core i9 and RTX 3080ti. Thanks for reading this long comment that turned into more of a comprehensive review, and I hope I have provided some feedback as to this laptop and my personal thoughts on it.

[@WilliamVandervleut]

I am still using a Mid 2014 Macbook Pro 15” Retina 2.5ghz model and I still love it. Works flawlessly just took it to Apple to get the battery replaced

[@teh_hunterer]

I've had pretty much the exact same issues on the 2018 13" MacBook Pro. Crap keyboard, splotchy display, slow performance, insane heat, horrible battery life, random crashes and battery emptying overnight. Thankfully it's a work device, so it's not my money.

[@justinbuckley]

My Macbook Pro 2014 had a fault where the display would freeze randomly, over time it got to the point where it would freeze minutes after boot, however the sound still worked indicating that the computer had not actually crashed etc. I found that connecting an HDMI monitor would prevent this happening. Ended up selling it on eBay and the buyer was able to replace some display chip on it.

[@peragnus7357]

Trying to fix Mac in official store is like going to vet with your broken arm.

[@DistrosProjects]

My guess is that this is a result of failed capacitors and possible PMU failure.

[@se7enity648]

Your problems are why I will never buy another MacBook. Ever! Apple doesn’t care about you… They just want your money. They will never admit to their mistakes and will expect you to pay for them. When my 17” MacBook Pro died from a faulty graphics chip I was told to shut up and go away.

[@noupot]

I had a MB Pro 2017 with TouchBar and it was a nightmare. I decided to go for desktop, thus bought a Mac mini M1 with a Studio Display. I’m confident that this setup will be problemless.

[@marcrodet4900]

I bought a MacBook Pro 13-inch 2017 (with four Thunderbolt ports) in August 2017 (with 16 GB of RAM, and a 256 SSD), and have been using it six to twelve hours every day since. So over four years and a half of substantial usage. I have not faced any of the serious issues described in this video. Not saying it's perfect. I had to replace the keyboard, despite not having used it a lot. And it can indeed some times freeze for a brief period of time (depending on the app). It does not feel quick, for sure (using High Sierra, not the latest macOS, the performance might be better). But nothing that could prevent its very extensive use. Probably a bad unit / bad luck described in this video. The comparison (at 2:27) with 15-inch MacBook Pros might be somewhat unfair: these 15-inch laptops have more powerful CPUs (and dedicated GPUs that are vastly more powerful than integrated ones). It's Intel who is to blame for a lack of better performance gain between an 2015 i7 and a 2017 i5 (hence also Apple decision to move away from Intel).

[@brentsmithline3423]

They are called "Lemons" for a reason. The strangest one I had of all time was with a IBM PC XT. After moving every part one at a time from a know good system to the one that was brought in for repair. The parts from the unit brought in for repair tested with no errors in the know good system. The parts from the know good system would not pass tests when installed in the system that was brought in for repair. Only part that remained with the original system brought in for repair was the base case. Since the case does not have a part number had to call regional IBM parts manager and have him send us a case. Original parts from the unit brought in for repair when installed in the new case past all diagnostic test for 72 hours straight. IBM regional manager had us ship case to a person, and address he provided to me. Strange but true.

[@skallen59]

I’m still using my haunted mid 2010 17” MacBook Pro at work, yes it’s painfully slow to do something and yes it needs a new battery. But the haunting stopped when I disabled hibernate on power. It’s been working perfectly for a while now. I mainly use it to test networking, VLANs and tunnels of all kind like IPSEC, OpenVPN and WireGuard. So still after about 12 years it has a purpose 😀

[@skallen59]

Correction, it’s not slow for the tests that I’m doing but today I thought that it might be a good time to update brew, that took more than two hours 😱

[@awschmitt93]

Would you do an updated tour of every Mac in your collection?

[@dimmahund]

Watching this on my perfectly working mid 2014 MacBook Pro. As always, great video, Luke! PS Could you link the music you're using in your videos? Thanks.

[@jpl317]

For curiosity sake I’d love to see you analyzing the mobo with an infrared to see if any chip is heating up when the ghosts decide to appear.

[@EnronnSierra]

I bought the 2017 MacBook Pro 13 inch with 8GBs of RAM for my brother and he hasn’t experienced a single problem with it. Works just great and it’s running Monterrey. I just think you bought a lemon. When you said the value of the MacBook Pro M1 Pro dropping in value to 500, do you mean by or down to? I think they will hold their value considering Apple is not gonna be upgrading the chips yearly.

[@michaelbrown2682]

I was gonna say the same thing, other than it gets toasty my 2017 MacBook Pro runs fine. Replaced the screen and all in only spent 388 on it. Great for school

[@posterboyzpoducer]

I was think of doing the same thing! I’m buying my first MacBook (Late-2013 13.3” model) until the M1 MacBook prices go down. Can’t wait to experience the connectivity of the Mac with iOS!

[@Ausknutz]

I agree 100% with you. My 2011 13" MBP was ok, but I wanted more battery life and also a bigger screen. So I got a 2015" 15" MBP with 2.8ghz quad-core i7 processor and 512gb SSD, which is a great machine (it even has a new battery changed by Apple) and it will last until the M1 MBP hit the used market for under $1000.

[@RWCustoms]

I had some weirdness like this on my 2015 MacBook Pro. Apple said it was the battery even though it didn't make sense logically. They replaced the battery and all issues went away. I think it is something about the voltage fluctuations from premature deterioration, not capacity. Give it a try! You can replace the battery. I have faith in you.

[@aagevaksdal]

I was gifted one by a friend, he couldn´t use it because of the flex gate. It had 30 cycles. It behaves great as a desktop computer with an external monitor. It is probably the least pro macbook pro ever made. But for free it is great. No other issues.

[@jadennancis1057]

Today I intentionally went looking for hate on the 2017 Macbook Pro as my 15' Macbook Pro has destroyed a third external hard drive via the ports on the right side this time, I absolutely hate this laptop.

[@Ekphrasys]

Problem is: Intel simply stopped working for Apple in that era, because they already KNEW what was around the corner... I bought a Second hand 2017 MacBook Pro, 15', 2TB SSD, 16Gb Ram, i7 upgraded, and I can state after 3 months it isn't just quite right... I mean, I checked every single part and apparently there are no problems whatsoever. Battery showed service and i managed to resurrected it form the death row... As a matter of fact it was just Half of his Life.. But...but I faced so many problems with the OS (Ventura, one of the worse MacOs I ever encountered, it's worse than Sierra, High sierra, El Capitan all together) than I can't even tell.... Connection Laggy, Audio Lags with a bunch of Plugins on a DAW, and List is so long I forgot everything. The only advantage is its speed and power....

[@Cinefilo_Celuloide]

@lukemiami You can't generalize, it could be that the MacBook Pro you bought was defective for some reason, I can't believe that what happened to you happens to all 2017 models, it's just bad luck, now, about the screen they lost the polarization If that's true, it's a pure shame.

[@urk5204]

Sounds like you've got one of those MacBooks designed by 1980s Chevrolet

[@charleythompson4695]

Still rocking a late 2011 MacBook Pro Made some mods to it, 1 tb ssd and 16 gb ram with a new battery Thing runs like a champ!!

[@REVENVALORANT]

i had a haunted macbook that was freezing only every friday at 2:00 AM for no reason, the barman who was working with me he admit that it was haunted!

[@GreatOne0815]

Put the logic Board in the oven for some time - maybe there are some broken solder joints which only disturbing the device when the device is running or so. I don't know. ;) Or maybe the cooling is damaged so that it is running to hot and throtteling.

[@CuriousPerson2206]

If you bought a Macbook 2017 for 200$ than you definitely bought one with issues. These usually are in the $300+ range in good condition.

[@arwo1143]

Besides the screen…. Switch the battery That behaviors sounds very much like a dead battery controller The issues with power, low battery life, random hard crashes with slight chances for recovery, the charging behavior….

[@loodwich]

I am working now in a MacBook Pro Retina "mid-2014" and work fine... I will wait for the next M2 to change it... Oh, also I bought a screen protector in 2016, and still attached with a good color of the screen. I think that the new Apple silicon will not be repairable because the CPU, the RAM, the SSD, and the logic board are made together... But if they work so well as my iPod Touch second generation that still working and using all days... that will not be my concern.

[@razkhid1143]

Just bought my 2020 MacBook Pro m1❤ 13inch I love it ❤

[@Plymouthmusicschool]

I had the 2016 MB Pro. The keyboard was bad, overheated a lot…out of frustration I kept it parked in a Hengedock until i finally got rid of it. Farewell

[@BillRey]

Had the exact same model and experienced the exact same issues.