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Saints Row is an action-adventure game developed by Volition and published by Deep Silver. It is a reboot of the Saints Row series, and the fifth main installment, following 2013's Saints Row IV. It was released on August 23, 2022 for PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Windows, Xbox One, Xbox Series X/S, and Google Stadia. Set within the fictional city of Santo Ileso, loosely based on Las Vegas, the single-player story follows a group of four friends who start their own outlaw gang called The Saints, which they subsequently expand by seizing power from other criminal organizations in the city.
The game is played from a third-person view and its open world is navigated on-foot or by vehicle. Players can fight enemies using a variety of firearms and other tools, and call in non-playable gang members to assist them. Similarly to previous Saints Row titles, players control the gang's leader, nicknamed "the Boss", who features highly customizable traits. Outside of the main story, players can freely explore Santo Illeso and engage in several different side activities. A cooperative online multiplayer mode is also included, allowing two players to play through the single-player campaign together while progressing in their own game.
The developers of Saints Row intended for the game to return to a mixture of drama and comedy that had been present in earlier games in the series. Following its announcement in August 2021, Saints Row was met with mixed reactions from fans, with some expressing concern for the game's tone. It ultimately received mixed reviews from critics for a large number of technical issues, the writing, and elements of the gameplay feeling dated. Due to the game's reception, Volition's parent company Embracer Group announced that Volition would become part of Gearbox Entertainment.
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[@LukeStephensTV]

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[@DUDULALALALALALA]

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[@Mush7]

Dude, I really usually like your content, but this was just super lazy. Dudes in the comments were able to summarize all the problems so much better, there was just a lot of ramblings with no actual point. Anyway, just my two cents.

[@darksage2233]

about the 70 dollars thing you can't hate on that because every new game is around that price like when spider man 2 comes out that's what is gonna be the price on the ps store

[@apokolipsmeow5481]

No Luke, that's just how they talk in every marvel movie. This is the society we live in now.

[@feetyeet8538]

Jesus is the only way to heaven Being a good person won’t get you there. “Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” ‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭6‬ ‭ESV Repent from your sin(disobedience to God) and turn to God and follow Him so that you will be saved “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭1‬:‭9‬ ‭ESV‬‬ “No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭13‬:‭3‬ ‭ESV

[@ElselchoGaming]

Really the problem wasn't just bugs, the game was rotten from the core. The story, mechanics, the open world. It was pure corporate, safe, PG-13 slop.

[@LukeStephensTV]

TRUTH

[@AdamSmasherReal]

I like to call it "safe edgy" they want to be edgy but are too scared to offend anyone so it all just excessive swearing, killing, and fart jokes.

[@TracerX]

@@AdamSmasherReal The worst they could do.

[@alexghost2099]

⁠@@AdamSmasherReal id rather play a game that is over 9000 lvls of exaggeration of edgy than safe edge

[@BraveInstance]

@@AdamSmasherReal Nothing greenlit by an MNC can ever be edgy. If it would get demonitised onKZbin, it won't make it past pre-production.

[@GrimGalore]

I really hate the "Buy it broken now... Maybe we'll fix it later" mentality the gaming industry seems to have adopted. The internet and online patches/updates have made developers lazy.

[@tablettablete186]

Me: "Fine, I will buy it later then!"

[@cyndanetierney6449]

@@tablettablete186 Buy it later, after the bugs have been patched out and it goes on sale. It's a double win.

[@haaxxx9]

I lost all respect for games that get launched as a clearly broken/unfinished ass state for full retail price. It just tells me to wait at least 6 more months till we get majority of the game to run as intended and just to me waste over $60+ that can be easily used for something else or saving up to buy better or old hardware that been well taken care of. Worst example I can find is the recent mainline Pokémon games that many people defend it to the core with some of the worst defense statements on the reason why the game should be sold for $60 now with "It's Pokémon" and nothing else so fuck the Story, Gameplay, Music, Graphics, controls and the atmosphere of those video games that did everything before on the Gameboy era, DS era and 3DS era for Pokémon games! This isn't my battle to be participating in that I never choose to be in; I can't even get angry at the fans who still like Pokémon games since that is their own money and time to be willing to invest in. I really want to see the Pokémon games to be on par with the latest Persona, Final Fantasy, Fire emblem games and so many more fantastic modern RPG games out there but lately it's been just underwhelming stroll that have playdough for the sidewalk and trees that looks like it's been made out of muddy dirt. Hell even the main developers (GameFreak) some employees even admitted that the games will sell regardless because it have the word "Pokémon" on it so why should they try to put some effort and QOL improvements in the Pokémon games at all at this point? Fans are willing to pay for this and continue to support this ideal for the games that made me no longer want to buy a mainline Pokémon game for my switch and move on to other different RPG franchise from new (Persona) and old (Shadow Hearts).

[@ShadowFlame420]

yea i mean im not one of those people who thinks patches and updates shouldn’t exist but the reliance on them seems to have become an epidemic. my opinion is that they should be reserved for unexpected issues that the dev team somehow missed. i dont think they should release a game until they’ve resolved all the known issues

[@JuanitoMedz]

It sucks. I bought just cause 3 un 2018 and it was shit they never fixed It so i never bought from avalanche again. Nor Ubisoft nor ea, Bethesda etc

[@keiichi8191]

"So Volition is no longer its own group. Now they have a full time babysitter that's gonna make sure they don't screw up this badly again." And they think Gearbox is the studio to do that? Good luck.

[@LukeStephensTV]

Lmao

[@hvngfn022]

Well at least Gearbox knows how to make money. Or rather, they know how to make Borderlands.

[@KillerZxAce]

@@hvngfn022New Tales From the Borderlands was a woke disaster and the Borderlands 3 narrative was pretty bad as well. Gearbox now is not the Gearbox that made Borderlands 1&2 and the Pre Sequel….

[@hvngfn022]

@@KillerZxAce Not my point in the slightest, those games still made a lot of money.

[@KillerZxAce]

@@hvngfn022 New Tales From the Borderlands sold pretty bad and Borderlands 3 did not sell as well as they had hoped. Your point is: Gearbox knows how to make games and knows how to make money. Clearly, they can’t anymore.

[@tiagocosmos]

The fact they thought "student debt" was a relatable, quirky motivation for essentially causing rampant mayhem through criminal sprees says everything. This game feels designed by comittee, a cashgrab. Devoid of soul and passion. And worst of all, CRINGE of the highest octane.

[@Shiirow]

did any of the saints row games ever need to give a relatable quirky motivation for the mayhem? I played them all and the most reasonable reason was someone bigger just fucked with the wrong people sort of motivation. also you are dealing with people who think student debt is some sort of crime in of itself, and would probably go on a rampant criminal spree because of it. then again its written by spoiled brats who never got their teeth kicked in when they acted up, so any sort of boundary is seen as a crime.

[@AliBazz]

💯 its an asset flip of da 2011 disgrace 😏

[@TRONiX404]

​@@Shiirowlol what do u mean not having a waffle maker totally justifies a brutal crime murder spree.

[@MiraSubieGirl]

And as a Mechanic id rate that about 160ron... this is an octane of the likes we have never seen.

[@handlebarsmustache]

And somehow the games main inspiration was Baby Driver. I have my problems with the movie, but it's pure art in comparison.

[@user-tm8eb9ge5w]

You know a game is bad when people dont even want to pirate it

[@muhammadeggy2129]

This is gonna be a new jokes for such of this kind of game. I literally try it for 5 hours and just delete it, the character creation was fine, but the rest of it was awful.

[@tiagocosmos]

Can't unspend time.

[@VinnyUnion]

There's a reason. It's around 50-60Gigs. That's a lot of storage waste when i could just replace it with Witcher3.

[@muhammadeggy2129]

@@VinnyUnionOr Skyrim with tons of mods that will give you more fun than this shit they make.

[@CameronZimos]

I pirated it and got bored lol. The entire game is just grinding side activities to unlock new main missions

[@speedingoffence]

The first mission in SR3 has you tear a room-sized vault out of a building with a skylift helicopter. In this one you start by robbing a payday loan.

[@Motion_God]

Loved that mission

[@theoutsiderjess4869]

Yet 3 has the better mission structure and writing and 3 isn't my favorite in the series

[@conyo985]

In SR3 they even wore masks with Johnny Gat's face. In this Saints Row reboot they didn't even try.

[@tiutiu859]

Actually no. In the first mission you attack an old west theme world and hang on top of a jet. But I guess haters gonna hate and try their bestest to make this game look much worse, than it actually is. Look, it's not a perfect game , but the mass amount of hate this game has been getting , is just silly.

[@conyo985]

@@tiutiu859 You are right. It's in the west theme world. But the hate it's getting is justified. Devs need to do better and get off their high horse.

[@maxmuetzel5364]

The Saints Row franchise was supposed to be the drunk brother of GTA. Like how Archer is to James Bond. It had its own style and mature comedy that made it different from GTA. Now we went from the glory days of the 3rd Street Saints, to a bunch of Zoomers who are trying to pay off Student debt? This Franchise was held down and chemically castrated of all charm and wit.

[@lumirairazbyte9697]

The even more sadder thing about this is that with SR virtually dead, GTA has no more competition, essentially becoming a “monopoly” on that specific game genre. Rockstar/2K is now milking dry their players, with tons of mtx and the GTA+ subscription, and without any major repercussions.

[@catburglar82]

It's such a shame. Personally, I was bored to death with GTA 4 back then, looked for an alternative, came across SR2 and found pure, unadulterated open world fun. SR had such a unique tone and avoided taking itself seriously like the plague. Replacing this with ESG score politically correctness, annoying writing and mid gameplay is depressing af. Watching SR going down like that was one of the saddest experiences to witness as a decades long gamer.

[@AliBazz]

Aye man getxhur cringe outta ma face "drunk brother of gta" saints row is saints row: its bout takin over da city, beefin wit de other gangs

[@AliBazz]

​@@lumirairazbyte9697if we all campaign for embracer to sell sr ip to a competent publisher we gon get another saints row after a decade and a half, lars wingefors da ceo is on 🐦

[@John-996]

​@@lumirairazbyte9697Well this happend a long ago GTA5 was a tough open world crime game to compete with. GTA6 Looks to be really ambitious.

[@owentownley3330]

I was so disappointed when this game came out just because it was my childhood series :(

[@DorkoDoes]

I know. I told my son about it and was excited to show him. I returned it an hour in 😑

[@owentownley3330]

@@DorkoDoes so very disappointing

[@justhellbound4206]

​​@@DorkoDoesyeah just let him play the old ones. The quality isn't that much worse. Hell the old saints row games are better because at least the characters are charming

[@TMackdownhill]

That's how I felt about the 3rd game. put me off buying the next 2 games. At least this one is somehow realistic in comparison.

[@drakkenmensch]

The game industry contends that games should cost 70$ now because they used to cost 60$. I contend that most games weren't worth 60$ in the first place.

[@DV-ou1yu]

Relative to other industries and products....videos games are undervalued. The cheapest closest hobby is amateur sports.

[@RockR277]

@@DV-ou1yu It's a real catch 22. Some would claim that games should therefor be made more cost effectively, while others won't even consider most games that aren't super high fidelity. So maybe you gamble on going for as wide an audience as possible, but risk losing your established base. But regardless of the production cost, what they're worth is what people are willing to pay for them. Releasing buggy as all heck doesn't help the buyer's value proposition.

[@Seoul_Soldier]

@@DV-ou1yu Oh this talking point again, I never get tired of seeing it. Yes, video games are "under-valued" compared to something like movies. But they're also are also under-regulated. Which has allowed these soulless companies to repeatedly get away with releasing unfinished games, price gouging ass cash shops, and further monetizing them like casinos. Imagine if gamers had the same consumer protections as people in the auto industry for example. Outside of Australia and the Steam platform you can rarely even get a refund for a defective video game. So thanks to that video games are in a weird position of being over-valued and under-valued at the same time, and with the advent of games like Saint's Row and Redfall I'd say that the average AAA video game is way over-valued. Oh and the closest cheapest hobby compared to video games is learning a musical instrument, since a good instrument only has to be bought once.

[@DV-ou1yu]

@RockR277 Of course I'm not vouching for buggy, no value games

[@DV-ou1yu]

@@Seoul_Soldier Good instruments are not cheap.

[@MrSkullMerchant]

The fans tried to warn them but they didnt listen

[@yous2244]

Warn them of what?

[@DorkoDoes]

Warned them not to butcher the game probably

[@adepressedcatwithabadnicot246]

not only that, they actively disrespected us for it.

[@unfortunately_fortunate2000]

@@yous2244 A) nobody even wanted a Saints Row reboot and B) that doing the Saints Row style of humor was going to be difficult, all of these warnings were met with people being insulted and made fun of by people working at Volition.

[@lumirairazbyte9697]

@@yous2244The reveal trailer - like 2 years before launch- , raised tons of red flags. They had the chance to change it but they didn’t. They even tweeted “Haters gonna hate” when it launched.

[@jonasking9587]

"The guns feel like water guns" is so accurate. That was my biggest gripe. I don't think any open world crime game will top Sleeping Dogs for me. The driving, fighting, shooting, and traversal were all top tier.

[@AliBazz]

Your comment gave me two red flags: first you said dat was my gripe meanin you paid for it 2 you said sleepin dogsll never be topped in open world gaminmeanin you aint played saints row 2 and da saboteur

[@jonasking9587]

I owned and played both, I did NOT buy this thing. SR has ALWAYS had terrible characters, and the Saboteur was incredibly ambitious but jank af. Sucks that it was part of why Pandemic went under.

[@AliBazz]

@@jonasking9587 L

[@Krixpps]

The shooting was definitely not top tier driving was functional not great but worked well enough melee was good just a solid all around game

[@Mush7]

Driving was not that good at all. Just workable. But yeah, amazing game, the combat was so much fun.

[@shalindelta7]

It baffles me that the devs thought waffle boi and gang would be a good choice for fans who've been craving characters like J Gat and gang for the longest. It was also no secret what fans wanted, there were tons of youtube channels stating what they want from the game for YEARS. There were wish lists and community threads galore of what was desired by fans. Literally all the devs needed to do was give the fans what they wanted, no guess work required it was all laid out for them and they still botched it.

[@scarletjester7831]

Update, Volition is now officially out out business, it's not even a subsidiary now and many consider the Saints Row reboot the reason it happened. It was so terrible that even selling out to a bigger company couldn't save them from closing their doors The only reason Volition shutting down sucks is because it has put the update for Saints Row 2, a update a fan worked on and died while doing said work, will be stuck in Development Limbo because of this insult to the franchise. I don't feel sorry that they went under, I only feel sad for the people that truly loved Saints Row had to see it go out with such a sad and pathetic whimper

[@xMadDonaldx]

The worst part was that it was written like they lived in a sitcom

[@pensinseo7745]

that 2.9 user score is surprisingly high

[@thedarkknightman6150]

What do you think the score should be zero?

[@Mush7]

​@@thedarkknightman6150| I mean... why not?

[@EpicGamerSetzuna]

@@thedarkknightman6150 No need to be dramatic, I'd give it a 1

[@KMog-py7co]

​@@EpicGamerSetzunaYou forgot to put a minus before the 1

[@PJ-ds7tz]

​@@KMog-py7coand maybe a thousand zeros after the 1

[@karthanok6859]

What are patches going to do? rewrite the story, dialogue, redesign characters, create a new game? Saints Row ended at 4 and that's what we remember the Saints as

[@BJJISTHEGAYPARTOFMMA]

And a old saints row fan may even argue that 4 was a husk of what we wanted.

[@elvickRULES]

Say what you will about story/tone of SR4, but the gameplay was fun as hell. The same cannot be said of the reboot. It’s not even good by modern gameplay standards, let alone SR standards and the oldest game people universally approve of was sooooo long ago (SR2).

[@karthanok6859]

@@elvickRULES hm hm sr4 was very fun

[@BJJISTHEGAYPARTOFMMA]

@elvickRULES I'm not disputing it wasn't fun, for a saints row game it was pretty below par. Was a fun game though I guess.

[@lukemayes5007]

​@@BJJISTHEGAYPARTOFMMASaints Row was on the decline post SR2, but SR4 was the last good game imo. Felt like a standalone expansion to SR3, but had good characterization for the returning cast and the new super powers better utilized the tall buildings of Steelport. However, I never find myself returning to any of the games except SR2 because the weapons are better designed there.

[@Seoul_Soldier]

This is what would happen if Twitter made a game.

[@travisadams6279]

Have you played Borderlands 3?

[@MattR8605]

@@travisadams6279 God don't remind me of Ava

[@jacoryarnett7347]

Don't forget reddit.

[@PinkiePie762]

@@travisadams6279I have Borderlands 3 best one in series

[@channel45853]

Don't forget KZbin

[@DebbieDickens]

I remember just a few weeks ago Volition uploaded a video celebrating their 30 year anniversary with Jim Boone and whoever is left at the company talking about all the actual good games they made followed by their recent three flops, and they had the cheek to end the video stating 'Here's To Another 30 Years'. Truly delusional.

[@VinnyUnion]

They're basically a dead company too

[@KH0LRA]

💀

[@kankeydong2500]

Maybe the next 30 years will be celebrated when the company is 6 feet underground.

[@jase276]

I give them 5 years

[@mistaflippyiv4114]

@@jase276They didn’t even make it two weeks after this comment lmao

[@DanCollier1]

They were never surprised people hated the characters in this game. Do you not remember the overwhelmingly bad reception to the release trailer and the dev teams comments about how they dont care lol.

[@haaxxx9]

Still remember some dedicated Saints Row fans being in the Discord/Twitter and saying the game looks concerning to come out before launch and the devs for the Saints Row reboot was banning people left and right who dares to criticize their own masterpiece and snarky posting "Haters goin' Hate!" gifs so it isn't shocking to me that Volition basically went under the floor after the game was release and I doubt they will ever get out of the shithole they only put themselves it. No sympathy!

[@DanCollier1]

@@haaxxx9 I enjoyed the previous games, although i preferred SR2 the most. This was so awful, i dread to think how utterly obnoxious the people working there must be if they are anything like the in game characters.

[@viraleffectz]

We went from spraying everyone with sewage in Saints Row 2 to now the devs spraying sewage on all of us. Full Circle 😂

[@The1stPistolSniper]

The ending of SR4 literally gave Volition a reason to reboot and still be canon and they wouldn't even need to work that hard.

[@901rodney2]

nah fr

[@joshuamoore8560]

I've never had the main characters of a game affect me this much, but the cutscene Luke showed just involuntarily drew the words out of me: "I hate these people. I hate them SO MUCH. Why would anyone want to join this LOSER GANG?"

[@ViceHacks]

The fans: wanted an open world gangster crime fantasy hopefully as good as sr1 and close to sr2 Volition: haters gonna hate, larp to pay off your student loans with corporate cringe writing and characterization

[@TheSirAnthony]

I can't believe they thought this kind of characterization was good. I get that nowadays there aren't many hardcore gangs roaming but like it's fictional. They could have made a world where gangs run everything and it's dangerous to not be affiliated forcing these nerds to make their own gang They could have ran with this misfit gang premise if they set up the world properly But the gameplay would still make the game lame and repetitive

[@Seoul_Soldier]

The thing is, nowadays there ARE still hardcore gangs roaming around. The people that made this game have just never seen one.

[@TheSirAnthony]

@@Seoul_Soldier No there are, that is why I said not many but Saint's Row is supposed to be like 90s Compton lol

[@keonh.2679]

Another factor that people forget is that crime media was generally more prevalent in the 2000s, like superhero media is now, and crime culture was just at its peak after the Bill Clinton administration. The culture is just different now. Making a Saints Row like the first two Saints Row, ESPECIALLY SR1, would be like trying to recapture lightning in a bottle. They were products of their times.

[@jase276]

Nah, it could still be done today. They just don't want to because it'd be "problematic" and "toxic" and someone's feelies might get hurt. @@keonh.2679

[@thecooljohn100]

I love how on metacritic numbers 1-5 don't exist for critic reviews, but all the numbers exist for user reviews.

[@comyuse9103]

yeah that probably really exacerbates the whole 'fuck reviewers' mentality that all gamers should have.

[@lumirairazbyte9697]

The biggest change in the Story was on the title intro where the Boss curses in such a abominable way. Unfortunately, the story wasn’t changed, unless you roleplay as a sitcom actress, which I DID, and makes my comfort less cringing. This is so far the best iCarly game that I ever played.

[@ZeSgtSchultz]

Dang, now I wanna try it again but make my character like Sam. Everyone's favorite childhood crush.

[@elvickRULES]

The different voices use different lines there. So it’s probably still there.

[@jbiehlable]

I play as Human Loona from Helluva Boss...the game still sucks and Erica Lindbeck couldn't save it.

[@PrincessTripsy]

How does the dialogue feel both dragged out and rushed at the same time? It’s some kind of achievement for sure.

[@StrongStyleFiction]

GTA V was over the top with wacky characters. And yet, I still believed Michael, Trevor and Franklin. I don't believe any of these characters. Trevor seemed like a character that was inspired by some weird guy one of the writers met in a bar once. The Saint's Row writers just feel like sheltered communications majors to me. They've had no interesting experiences. They have met no odd or interesting people. The only life experience they have is the shock they got when they realized they had to pay back their student loans for that communications degree.

[@TBone4Breakfast]

Dartigan said it best: “It’s amazing to me that they had the self awareness to make jokes about how stupid the main cast are, but not the self awareness to not make them total idiots.”

[@jasonhall8887]

Johnny Gat would be embarrassed that these people call themselves saints 😂

[@eggstermin8]

he'd be pissed 😂 those posers wouldn't have stood a chance against gat

[@1simp695]

That whole kitchen scene feels like a Friends episode in the worst way possible.

[@FortniteOG420]

I just played it free from the Epic store, uninstalled it after about 30 minutes, it feels like a cheap rip off of GTA V

[@mygetawayart]

The writing feels EXACTLY as cringy as watching a CBS multi-camera sitcom with no laugh track. In fact, i recall someone putting laugh tracks under those clips and they felt just right (by just right i mean i don't have to think about the writing being unfunny because the laugh track tells me when to laugh)

[@metalheadzaki]

New Saints row looks like it has one of those gen z/millennial humor most gamers hate so much

[@jacoryarnett7347]

This is exactly why I prefer Saints Row 1 & 2 Boomers/Gen X's joke humor.

[@DizzyInfusion]

Millenial humor? No its all Gen z.

[@channel45853]

Gen Z and Millennial humor mostly consists of memes. This is corporate humor.

[@metalheadzaki]

@@jacoryarnett7347 3 & 4 was funny too imo

[@unironicallydel7527]

This definitely just looks like they tried to make Saints Row into an 80's comedy sitcom. Which would be a really interesting concept for a game, just not for one so established as an IP as saints row. A reboot still has to stick with the material its based off of, otherwise it looks more like a new game entirely. Which is exactly what they tried to make this. Its criminal.

[@lumirairazbyte9697]

This could be easily possible, but then Agents of Mayhem happened: Volition tried to spun out of Saints Row, and it was a commercial failure. They had no options left.

[@AliBazz]

Its an asset flip of da 2011 disgrace

[@AliBazz]

​@@lumirairazbyte9697why was it a commercial failure

[@Mordraneth]

Nothing about this is 80's though. It's all GenZ humour, fashion, politics, social issues, and cringe. What is supposed to be "older" is portrayed in a hipster vibe kind of way and is 100% Millennial. There is no GenX....anything in this....

[@NoCap007]

its FREE on the epic store rn for those who want to test it out

[@lonewolf5749]

i tested it,waste of time and energy. Cars feel like a sponge box also weirdly there is no engine sound from the car,man old saints row was way more fun

[@comyuse9103]

yeah but that involves going to the epic store and i'd rather just watch the fans on my pc spin than do that.

[@BSparksGaming]

No patch can fix a bad game.

[@trane3827]

Facts

[@artistanthony1007]

Except when it does but not this game lol

[@callumtyler686]

As far as i can tell this is actually how young people nowadays speak and act... The problem is that the people that can and will buy games are actually older than the developers perceived target audience

[@johnhobbs.4007]

Feels like a tv show laugh track should play after the player charecter says the waffle line as he walks in and hangs up his “keys”

[@Bateluer]

The higher ups and C levels at Volition & Embracer being caught by surprise that their customers were disgusted by the writing is an interesting point of discussion. The cringefringe of Twitter obviously doesn't reflect real life, but how disconnected are these people from the real world? Who's advising them?

[@Pl4sm4Ro4ch]

they really never thought that removing shaundi, pierce, oleg, johnny and replace them with high school hipsters was a bad idea?... surely someone within the place had a functional brain to know that was a really bad idea

[@missannethropz]

​@@Pl4sm4Ro4chthey definitely knew, guess they took the risk hoping to cater to a new, more profitable audience

[@TheOnlyTaps]

Great watch as always 👊🏿. I think basically no amount of patches can save a bad game. Coz the game was terrible beyond just performance issues and bugs. So fixing bugs is basically a bare minimum but it won't raise a games level if the base game is poor. So we can compare for example Cyberpunk 2077 which was absolutely disastrous at launch but underneath all the chaos there was a good game in there so they managed to dig it up from under all the rubble with the patches and upcoming DLC

[@thecooljohn100]

I'm sorry, but the upcoming DLC is the only chance at redemption Cyberpunk has ever had. The game beneath all the glitches and game breaking bugs is still nowhere near the game we were promised. Essentially 2077 is just a lifeless open world call of duty campaign, with skill trees that barely mean jackshit and dialogue options that don't serve a purpose other than to facilitate the mere appearance of an RPG, with none of the actual bite of a real RPG. The game is garbo, but hopefully this new expansion can make the game worth remembering for even just a single positive reason, besides the amazing looking, but completely empty Night City.

[@-alif7188]

@@thecooljohn100 Nuh uh

[@channel45853]

​@@thecooljohn100naw, you wrong

[@kalashnikovdevil]

@@thecooljohn100 We apparently played very different games.

[@BellaTheDollie]

@@thecooljohn100No ❤

[@TJ-ce1lz]

Interestingly, they have patched out or changed dialogue. The biggest example is that initial ride home to the apartment, when your character was swearing up a storm but now they're quiet. Even the friends' voicemails are completely different, for example Eli once talked about the Boss using his book to level out the coffee table, now he talks about trying to buy a property. Apparently giving us a "better idea of what the characters are like" or something like that according to the patch notes. Other things too, like the part where the Boss and Kevin talk about the "AF" acronym is gone. It's quite interesting... seeing Volition taking out dialogue to make the game slightly more bearable

[@lilmomma6972]

Got it for free on Epic, just watching this to see if it's worth playing.

[@shashumgaclownemoji]

Just played like 2 hours of it. It’s not good tbh

[@standlethemandle]

I like Nintendo's approach to pricing their games 70 for the big, big generation defining games 60 for standard releases 40 for remakes/remasters 10-20 for smaller party games, or bite-sized spin-offs

[@andrewf2559]

Here after the announcement that Volition is shutting down

[@naddit]

Your face while watching the cutscene is gold. 😂 Really love these videos

[@GizmoJuggler]

I've never felt more relaxed watching a video game review.

[@KingOfHearts777]

I have such a history with this game, from literally redubbing and rewriting the whole story for the fan base, to just straight up getting behind the scenes look from devs about what exactly went wrong. In a nutshell all you gotta know is a big big reason this game went wrong was because of leadership and Deep Silver. Project leads ruined gunplay, Deep Silver kept requesting and saying things needed to be like this and that, and the writers just weren’t competent enough to write around the limitations. What I also do know is Randy Pitchford is a huge Volition fan, like shockingly so. Gear Box and Volition are having a great relationship and spirits are high at both companies, literally was told by the devs at Volition that they finally feel listened too and heard with gearbox. Both companies have a direct flight too each other, the cultural differences and the distance with Deep Silver and Volition are now long gone, and GearBox has just been extremely supportive. So many Insane changes to this game where at one point you were suppose to make builds and the combat was originally just like AOM. The development was crazy, but from what I’m hearing Volition is excited to leave the game behind and move on to better things. One idea that might really excite fans as well… but not even they are sure what’s exactly coming next since decisions are still being made.

[@mygetawayart]

comment so that Luke sees it. This is interesting stuff. It's fascinating to discover what went wrong with these big projects.

[@KingOfHearts777]

@@mygetawayart Yeah this series was a childhood favorite, I’m an OG fan and it’s sad to see where it ended up. However once I started my big fandub project it just got me in touch with so many big names in the community and with the devs at the studio. Hoping to have my big critique out later this year and also hoping to get the chance to speak with the lead writer.

[@carnsoaks1]

This is like those arcade games that carry the characters from "shooting range to shooting range " but without Bonus Flashy Point announcements or even body shots.

[@saramazuranic1091]

Have you tried firing at the tires, too? Maybe there is some minimum damage requirement to each part.

[@nathanosborne3834]

I love how he takes the time to make half hour videos carefully explaining the details and reason behind every statement he makes to just answer the question of the video in the thumbnail

[@bonjour2838]

"The wage slave is back!" "You mean the guy with the JOB?" lmao, hit the nail on the head

[@WaterDog1502]

Yeah the infinte reloading thing happened to me right at launch on thr first mission. That set the tone for what I thought about the rest of the game. It felt like a chore to play it. The map even though big felt lifeless compared to the earlier games.

[@whiskhot]

So,to summ up:the game now runs fine and is ok. The video poster has NO argument, he just doesn't like the game because he would have done different choices. Everyone is different and i personnaly love these choices. How to waste 1/2 hour to watch an useless video from a bad faith guy saying that a game is bad because he doesn't like it...

[@EmilTriceps]

I bought it on sale for 10 bucks. Heard it was buggy on release so I waited. No problems so far and the story seems alright as well. Feels like SR3 in the desert!

[@mister-pinkman]

This just makes me wanna boot up OG Saints Row 2 again

[@TheBadmatter]

No amount of bug fixes are gonna fix the garbage ass charaters, story, and dialogue.

[@LukeStephensTV]

Exactly. The core is rotten.

[@RobTheDoodler]

Cyberpunk’s an example of a game where there’s something meaningful to find once you get past the bugs. This seems to be nothing but cringe all the way down.

[@kylen9954]

So they got a bunch of 19 year olds who dont know saints row and rewrote it with gen z humor

[@DTG_GodFather]

Thanks for the info man, was debating on wether or not to try it out (free game on ps plus this month) and wanted to get some feedback before wasting storage. Seen some reviews online (articles/reddit/etc.) but was looking for a video sense I'm more of a "visual learner" ,and this actually helped out alot better in deciding wether or not to give it a shot. Pretty disappointed cuz I remember enjoying the 1st 3. Thanks again for the insight bro, gained a new sub 👍

[@mattfarr137]

Volition used to be one of my favorite developers back in the mid- late 2000s. Sad to see how far they’ve fallen

[@45-will-prevail-to-the-47]

Go woke, go broke.

[@thewhitewolf58]

It's just sweet youthful college kids casually running a criminal empire is 5 times more whiplash then nate drake being a sweet man just he killed 50 soldiers in his latest arena. Atleast with Joel you can see it in his character.

[@DaemionBlackFire]

Just found your channel from another site that showcases deals on xbox games... man, you are one of the best reviewers I've EVER heard online. Casual and professional at the same time... I feel like the conversational quality of your reviews are a 10/10. Your review of Saints Row actually helped me decide on whether or not I should buy it (I'm not, lol). I WILL subscribe.

[@FreelancerFreak]

Saints row 2 was the best. I wish they would remaster that

[@Sappery_]

Could the monster truck mission be somehow fps dependant? Maybe they broke it when they fixed the game's performance lmao

[@Sappery_]

Just played this mission for the first time. Literally the same problem, switched to 30fps and then beat it first try on the hardest difficulty.

[@RealHumanBeing276]

I found your channel today and I love the idea of going back to a game some time after the release to give it a second chance, that's something that I believe every reviewer should do, because a review of a game like No Man's Sky when it release doesn't reflect the quality of the game you'd get today, granted that doesn't apply to THIS game given that its problems lies way beyond just bugs and glitches, but still, I think videos like this are much more informative than those reviews

[@appletizer8415]

I saw a Google review that said "don't even try to waste your time trying it by pirating it, it's not worth it"

[@T.O.Wallee]

Come back to see this after their studio shutdown announcement. Well. They deserved it

[@Boba_Tourette]

“Today I am playing a game that was terrible a few months ago to see if it’s better now. To my shock, it is still terrible” - Luke Stephens

[@matramogram8836]

The thing about the dialogue is, it’s not how the writers talk, it’s how they WISHED they talked because they think that’s baddass and cool dialogue when it’s just not

[@Archangelm127]

Thanks for showing me the totality of the intro. I think my soul died.

[@tonydeluna8095]

The game with all the bugs fixed, I have noticed some notable quality of life improvements like: the combat system and the dynamics of aiming. The aiming was unbearable. But as always, thank you 🙏 again Luke for trying it out

[@zehanjo]

This is free for ps plus this month. And will likely sit in my library for a good amount of time unless I have the depressing urge to give it a try. At least I didn’t lose money on it lol that’s already the best part about it 😂

[@benn8793]

The fact that this robbery at the beginning is only a cutscene and not a playable mission still annoys me to this day. There is absolutely nothing about the game that feels right...

[@vincentdarkrosrayne]

i don't think there's as many issues with the game as people say. even the author of the video. nitpicking and forgetting stuff that was in the game when it first dropped. i've lived with about 6 college roommates and some of that dialogue is pretty relatable and spot on for the most part. i don't think the game suffered from bugs or anything like that. at least not as a whole. it's an open world game. so bugs are definitely expected at release. it's been that way for like 2 decades. it's hard for QA to snuff out every single thing in a game with a world that big. what the game fails in is its characters. i mean, Luke going on about how goofy cutscenes are in a Saints Row game makes me feel like he doesn't really understand the series he's playing. questioning infinite ammo at the start even tho that's been done in at least the past 3 games (i don't really remember SR1 and 2 intros). But when it comes to the writing of the characters is this game's biggest weakness. and in the Saints Row franchise that's a pretty big sin since the game series is driven by the characters. All the characters in this game are bare bones and don't get explored enough for us to care. the world feels pretty bare due to it just being mostly desert instead of a metropolis like the prior games. and most of the missions are write offs aside from the LARP missions which actually feel like how SR should be. But it's only a side mission for one of the characters. and even then we don't see much of that character. picking apart the game's mechanics are whatever because SR isn't known for it's innovative gameplay. it's the writing and sense of fun and wacky characters and ridiculous world we are set in. maybe the devs were trying to do a windup like from SR1 to SR3 did but people these days don't look that far into the future unless they are MMO players. Or Bethesda fans. This game fails in it's story and characters and attempted political dialogue. that's basically it. gameplaywise it's the best in that aspect. but that goes to show the fans or even new players don't care about that.

[@alexgln]

You missed it but in around 14:50 the arrows that point to where you should go went the completely other way from the other npcs so that great .✨ attention to detail ✨

[@bound2thefloor1]

I got the platinum for it. It wasn't great, but I didn't think it was as bad as everyone was saying. I didn't find it to be that broken either. Yeah, there was things here or there, but it seemed way overblown to me.

[@TheHouse2281]

I played a good chunk of cyberpunk when it came out, and I had very few issues with any bugs or glitches, and this was on a roughly 6 year old Xbox one, so I think some people are just luckier than others when it comes to bugs and glitches

[@AnonymousD0W]

Can always trust luke to deliver us an in depth analysis and leave us to decide what we think for ourselves rather than review baiting or overhyping

[@samfryett5064]

I've literally just played through this after giving up on it when it was released. It's bad, but it can be a good time at times

[@kwisatzhaderach9591]

The amount of scale and amount of experimentation in totk is the only game I think really think deserves the $70 price tag. I still hate games are reaching that price, but If they can meet that quality of the price after several hours of gameplay then it's justifiable.

[@GothamiteYT]

Ever since you pointed out fade to black it really gets to me. It was hard to really enjoy the Spiderman game cause it was *constant* fade-to-black. I'd prefer a hard cut over a fade to black.

[@codyhughes8013]

Spider-Man was amazing what do you mean you found it hard to enjoy it

[@steveo0127]

Love your game reviews thanks for keep it real

[@0michelleki020]

The dialogue is basically what i'd call Reddit moderator or Tumblr speech.

[@christopherfields9785]

Y'all be asking for too much in a video game just trying to find things wrong with the game. 😂😂

[@davidfilus1741]

Just yesterday I wondered whether it got any better. I loved SR3 and SR4 so I was about to delve into this one. Thanks Luke!

[@thealien_ali3382]

U can get this really cheaply. Amazon is selling this game for £4 for PS4 version. No point in getting the ps5 version for £18 when the PS4 version comes with a free upgrade. I have played every saints row game, but when they was announced I waited for reviews. When it became a flop I didn't get it I skipped it until I saw it literally two days ago for £4 for PS4 version and u get the ps5 upgrade for free

[@Dom_Do_Tm]

Bro real question what’s your setup ? Or a good start up one for somebody looking?

[@anthonyemerson2965]

I cannot get over how the DLC that added a whole new area to the map had like 2 missions. Seems like they rushed it out.

[@artistanthony1007]

No shxt they did.

[@unfortunately_fortunate2000]

I think it says a lot about the current state of Volition and their parent company that not just the developers but the fucking executives of the studio were surprised people didn't like the character interactions nor the ton the dialogue sets, the only time I or any of my friends have spoken in a similar way to the way the characters in this game is with a massive dose of sarcasm, and, I rather suspect (back when twitter was actually a thing people used) that most of the tweets we've all seen with similar kinds of speech are also a complete and total piss-take. although I'd argue that this isn't actually a new issue for the series, after Saints Row the third I and everyone I knew were pretty much over the series and then IV released to rather mediocre user reviews and in both instances the dialogue was pretty cheesy but it was far less cringe inducing, I just don't see how or why Volition thought this reboot was even a thing anybody wanted.

[@Seoul_Soldier]

People wanted a Saints Row reboot. They were just hoping for a return to Saint's Row 2, not an even shittier version of 3 or 4.

[@unfortunately_fortunate2000]

@@Seoul_Soldier idk man I think in the nearly decade since 4's release the actual fandom behind the saints row series was a rather withered community, I'm sure that five or six people that still played these games were hoping for a saints row 2 style reboot but, 2 was nowhere near as financially successful as SR 3, so I don't see why anyone would have genuinely expected that. I just don't see how Volition looked at the current market and went "y'know what people want, some more saints row!" without ignoring the fact the majority of consumers had long since moved on.

[@channel45853]

​@@unfortunately_fortunate2000no, Saints Row could have still sold well. Gamers prove that popular games or franchises never get lost in the dust. Remakes have been selling well, proving that. And established ips, when a product of at least decent quality, comes out, these products usually do well.

[@chero666]

Volition is now dead

[@alcoyot]

It’s looks a like a game a very dedicated solo developer made in his free time.

[@manny2248]

The only thing I have to say about the dialog is yeah it doesn't sound like normal ppl but I don't think that the ppl in saints row are normal

[@mikeg5039]

I love that they put dr disrespect in the game 😂

[@TheClubBR]

You need to shoot the engine on top of the hood, so the smoke blocks the Monster Truck's driver vision so it won't run you over. You kept shooting the chassis of the car, that's why you kept dying.

[@someoneyoudontknow6083]

Assuming this is correct which I don't doubt, that's still pretty ass, especially considering the objective merely says, "Shoot Sergios' monster truck." and not "Shoot the top of his engine."

[@BearlyRegal]

I definitely agree the writing is pants and is likely found under the definition of 'tripe' in the Oxford Dictionary, but I think the majority of scenes could have been saved with better camera direction. Quick example; pay attention to the camera movement from 12 minutes onward - it's static, lifeless and doesn't reflect the nature of the conversation or the people. It's as though we're watching a poorly rehearsed high school theatre production... Doesn't save the rest of the game ofc. What a waste of an historically pretty fun IP.

[@nonprawfit]

“A masterpiece!? Wooooow I don’t wanna miss out on that!” 🤣

[@endoftheroad6513]

Luke you know damn well no one here was wondering if this rubbish got any better 😂

[@codylakin288]

I tried to give this game a genuine chance. Then I did a mission with the shirtless character, where you learn he’s not just pansexual and polyamorous, he’s also a traumatized orphan who just wants to collect some action figures because he always wanted one as a kid and for some reason couldn’t, so the mission is driving him around to hunt down those action figures… Representation makes me happy until it’s a literal column of boxes meaninglessly checked off by a committee of execs for the sake of making their content “relevant.”

[@JBoo]

Omg is that the Lego Titanic behind you? Cool af

[@BlackHedgehog]

Never really played this, preferred when Saints Row was a more serious game. There is a reason Saints Row 2 is still the best title.

[@lassesuurmunne8340]

I know I’m in the minority but I absolutely loved Saints Row. It took me back to the PS2 era of GTA games, somehow I got that vibe and had a great time. The physics is super fun, that was a big part of it and the wing suit. But the biggest weakness it has for me is that the world just isn’t used enough. There are many hidden nice looking areas that are not used for any missions and there’s nothing to be found except the look of the place. It needed a bigger budget and more time. But I still had a lot of fun with what it is. The missions are very varied from boring to actually some very epic ones, most of my fun was with the side quests and just messing about. I loved trying to break the game and mess with its physics, and the dirt bikes are genuinely so much fun. Inconsistent but fun, especially if you still love PS2 era games today. And I was able to use my own imagination with the story, I got lucky with character creation and the voice I chose, my character felt as if it was meant to be in the game. I love when that happens with creating your own character. A lot of my fun was getting to just use my own imagination. It’s like a 7/10 game for me but because of my imagination with it it became a 8.5/10. It needed a lot more time in development, needed more content. More locations to interact with. But I just love the mood and feel of the game anyway a lot. My guilty pleasure game I guess. There are far far worse games out there. Superman 64? Haha

[@j.barnard2669]

I stuck with it (day-one bugs) and platinumed on PS4 & PS5. Especially rough, as many of the trophies were buggy. Had a ton of fun in co-op.

[@Rachebart]

Yeah the world isnt used enough like you cant go in any buildings. In Saints Row 2 you can revisit the prison and ypu can go in there and fully explore the prison i mean wow. You can go in casinos and play poker. You can go in the shopping mall. The reboot has this beautiful map and sole beautiful buildings like the piramid and you cant go in there ? Just lazyness. Biggest L you cant go in the Saints Tower at the End. Really stupud

[@lassesuurmunne8340]

@@Rachebart Yeah I agree, so much untapped potential. To me all the ingredients are there for a much better game. But I still found a lot to enjoy, I love the map. Like you said, it's very beautiful. The vibe I just love, the driving is very good. And I love the vibe of the Idols gang, I had this obsession with getting one of the idols bikes with the croc head. It was fun finding all the parts to the hidden vehicles. The wing suit genuinely was well done and the wing suit missions are a lot of fun. I'd avoid cops with the wing suit launchers. The character customisation is one of the best I've ever seen. Loved the radio stations. It was almost like playing San Andreas for the first time again. It has so much going for it but sadly feels unfinished because of how so many great locations are not used. Many locations look as thought the studio were planning on using them. But I'm not sure if it's about laziness or is it more about the lack of enough of a budget and not enough time. I can also feel that a lot of love and passion went into this game. My personal guess is that they just didn't have the budget and had a deadline, and couldn't achieve the full ambition. They probably did want to use many more locations than they did. In the desert areas there are all these little ghost towns that you can't interact with. I found a target shooting thing at one of them. But too much of the map is just a shell. And yeah Saints Row 2 is an amazing game, and still is today. Maybe back then it was easier to achieve more when graphics were simpler and you didn't need as much time creating all the details. A lot more I feel has to be done nowadays, you need bigger studios and more time, more money. They probably worked very hard and had to crunch in order to get the game finished in some way. But didn't have the luxury sadly of time and money like Rockstar does. Maybe they were hoping that if the game was popular enough they could fill in the game properly later but gamers aren't very happy paying for unfinished games when we have so little money. But having said that, and although I have a lot of criticism. I still love the game and I'm planning to start a new game. I haven't played the dlc yet. The physics and gameplay for me is just so much fun, the freedom I felt with the physics the wing suit is the drive for me and the games vibe. I love the world they created so much. Despite its many short comings I just love being in that world. I keep repeating it, but it has some of the most amazingly fun physics of any game I've ever played. Reminds me of why I loved the old destruction derby games. Just sometimes as simple as flattening cars with a monster truck is just so satisfying in this game lol. It's rare to see games let you do that and for it to feel as fun as it does. The dirt bike jumps you can do. Just talking about it makes me wanna go back and play it again. Another missed opportunity for me is that I wish they had added dangerous wildlife into the game like in Red Dead Redemption or Far Cry. There are coyote sounds but no coyotes. Sometimes there are visually cool weather effects, I love the sand storm kinda thing, how it engulfs the entire area but they could've done much more with weather. I hope one day these types of games add rough winds that affect your vehicle and hazards like tornadoes. And yeah casinos would've been good. We could both probably go on and on about all the missed opportunities forever. But despite it all it really cheered me up at the time when I played it. I was going through a rough time and the game helped me to remember how fun life can also be.

[@Rachebart]

@@lassesuurmunne8340 yeah when i was just driving around i had much fun. Same i loved that motorcycle with croc head