Lumix S5iiX vs G9ii Which is better for video?

[@SamHolland]

Which would you choose? 🎥

[@HiethGeorge]

The S5MKII any day before 🏙️🚀

[@tommymejiaen]

s5ii for the bukeh and low light capabilities basically XD

[@VijeeshKuttamassery]

Choose 52x 2 Months before.

[@karikaru]

I got the s5ii, but if the releases had been reversed, I'd probably be on the g9ii right now. As a 70/30 photo/video guy the handheld high res is really appealing as is the low-cost used market for their super telephoto zooms. A 100-300 in mft is like $550 whereas a 150-600 is $1200 on L. Love my s5ii though and not planning to sell anytime soon

[@SteppeGrass]

GH6 II :)

[@EpicAdrian3D]

I wouldn't switch now simply because I don't follow industry trends when I'm choosing a camera. If a job requires a specific full-frame look then sure I'd rent or buy an S5, or a better camera. But as for the average video content creator/videographer, Micro Four Thirds honestly gives you much more flexibility when it comes to things like framerates with no crop, stabilisation, lenses, portability with super zooms, and overall affordability when scaling up. Full Frame is popular because it "looks cinematic" Micro Four Thirds is popular because it's an underdog. Whatever the job requires is what determines my camera choice. I own 3 GH6s for Videography and a Nikon D7500 for Photography. If I was shooting a low budget short film i would probably rent a Blackmagic 6K Cinema Camera. It all depends on the project, the sensor wars are honestly overrated. The G9II is a great, much needed injection of life into M43 and that camera will serve people for years to come in the used market just like all of Lumix's other prior cameras.

[@georgefromgreece4119]

Excellent comment, observations and way of thinking in general.

[@jumbi555]

The size and weight of the smaller MFT lenses allow me to pack everything that I need, even zooms. I can keep them in my pocket as I walk around. For those who talk about the "Cinematic Look" - most movies use (Approx) an APS-C sized sensor, at f2.8: which is equivalent to a f2.0 MFT (Approx). The 60 fps and 120 fps no crop is the biggest factor for me - in choosing the G9ii. With an f1.4 sigma lens, I never worry about low ight/high ISO's...

[@whatwelearned]

Eh? APSC? Where do you get that from? An Alexa isn't, a Red isn't...

[@sjoerdberends4988]

@@whatwelearned Alot of movies are shot on Super35 (approx APS-C). Nowadays the trend of larger sensors is slowly taking over, but I think jumbi555 is trying to argue that alot of movies that we'd define as typical cinematic: big chance Super35 was the sensorsize. So: size doesn't matter.

[@jumbi555]

Traditionally, the Super 35 format was the standard sensor size used for Filmmaking (actual film)- which is actually smaller than APS-C, at 24mm x14mm. APS-C is 25.1mm x 16.7mm. Digital cinema cams used this standard as well. It is only recently that larger sensors (FF and larger) are being used for filmmaking. The first Alexa incorporated the Super 35 format (2010) - which, interestingly enough, had a Max ISO of 800! Red also has a Super 35 model, the Red V-Raptor S35.@@whatwelearned

[@BurfieldPhoto1]

You're right about sensor size, but from my personal experience (20 years in film) we very rarely shoot at the wider ends of the aperture - somewhere in the vicinity of T4 to T5.6 would be typical. Couple of reasons: 1. exploiting the sharper more optically pure range of the lens 2. Films spend millions of dollars on set design, dressing, and props. It makes zero sense to reduce that all to a blurry mess. 3. Intentional focus and intentional focus shifts are important, and the narrower the depth of field the more jarring a focus pull is, and the more difficult it is to pull off. It's actually pretty common on set for the DP to bump the ISO or increase the amount of light into the set so the 1st AC can stop down a bit and hold focus more easily.

[@jumbi555]

@@BurfieldPhoto1 Good point. I can definitely understand why using T4 to T5. 6 would be a logical choice! It is amusing to me that the FF very shallow depth of field look is now somehow synonymous with "Cinematic".

[@MatthewDangyou]

The G9ii open gate is the 5.8k in 4:3 similar to the GH6 while the S5iiX is 3:2 in 6K. But great video Sam!

[@JanBuchholz]

True, and very important I think. The 5.8K and uncropped 4K100 are the main reasons why I use the GH6 and would choose it over most other cameras. Now these modes are even boosted with phase deteced. Absolutely tempting.

[@gamingwithstand6886]

I don't care if full frame is better. The benefit of M43 is smaller lens. Just buy what you like.

[@cristibaluta]

If only they were start doing small bodies again...

[@jumbi555]

The feature that does it for me is the 4k 120 fps 10 bit on the G9 Mii. Which , you curiously left out of your test. Also the lenses are more than a "little smaller". Nice job, you do great reviews, but your inherent bias is revealed here.

[@williamburkholder769]

I will stick with m43, because I'm retired, already have lenses that do most of what I want, and I don't want to pay two or three times more for the same field of view when I do buy a new lens. Micro 4/3 systems are inherently lighter. When I travel with four or five lenses, there is simply less metal and glass to carry! Body weights are similar, especially between the S5 II and G9 II, but SYSTEM size and weight do come down A LOT with Micro 4/3. Sam, you're young. Lugging gear is a lot easier for most of us until we hit 60. Almost everything I do these days is done with lots of light, so the low light capability isn't a huge factor. In the 1970s, we were all pushing 35mm Tri-X to 1280 or 1600 in special developers. Those speeds are easily doubled with Micro 4/3, with both color and much higher quality. If I need more than ISO 6400, I simply need to add more light! But with 8-stops of shake reduction, for still life work, I don't need more light. Depth of field is another consideration. I LIKE deeper depth of field for much of what I photograph. If I were a working pro in 2023, I'd probably have both systems for their combined strengths. But in my circumstances, I'm far better off sticking with m43.

[@PabloRayHere]

Hello, I request you to make a video on Lumix g9 ii autofocus with adapted lenses and the best adapter for them. With the introduction of PDAF I really wonder how sony, nikon, or canon ef lenses would act when adapted. I have recently purchased the camera but don't have the budget to do the comparison myself and try out a variety of adapters, It would be of great help since no one has done such a video. Thank you so much!!

[@IslandFilmMaker]

Hey Sam, I shoot Photography and Film for the Tourist Industry throughout the Gulf Island in Canada. Over the past 10 years, called for a Hybrid camera that could do BOTH WELL! Also, my job takes me on adventures in the wild, shooting great images and filming cool stuff in 4K 10bit for clients. 6 years ago, when the Panasonic GH5 was released I bought 2 and been very happy with the quality and performance up until today. I did moved up to FF when Panasonic released the S5, and been using it as well for 3 years mostly for lowlight or night work. However my GH5's are still solid camera's for photography. Image quality is good for what I do, and in photo mode, the AF is excellent. Saying that, as you know, with video, I shoot manual focus most of the time as AF sucks. As a hybrid shooter my life consists of skiing down a slope today, hiking up a mountain tomorrow, trekking across vast forest for a 3 day shoot, to chasing waterfalls, or others down a mountain on my eBike... GEAR is THE NAME OF MY GAME! This is where SIZE & WEIGHT matters MOST!! Cameras need to be tough and light as they are clipped to a shoulder strap or belt, and in my backpack, for quick access when wildlife appears. A great example is a GH5 with the Olympus 40-150mm f2.8 (internal focus), with a x2 converter, that gives me an equivalent of a FF - 160 to 600 mm telephoto lens with a constant aperture of F5. Even though FF lenses keep shrinking, the size and weight of this SETUP, compare to a full frame cameras and lens is UNHEARD OF today. And, at a fraction of the cost. NEVER would I try this on my eBike on a Panasonic S5 with my S - 70-200 f2.8 with a x2 converter! That size and weight would be an expensive accident waiting to happen and yet still limited to only 400mm.That's one of the most important reasons WHY the MFT System is still alive and relevant. Thanks to your review, my next purchase will be a Panasonic G9ll. Thx for your review comparison Sam, it will help many who are just starting out on their adventures.

[@velvetvideo]

Your life sounds amazing. Any opinions on OM1, fuji xs20, sony and Pentax vs gh9ii?

[@chandanprakash2002]

I have G9 and S5. I trek a lot on mountains so i carry G9 with me and have never complained of any quality degradation over my S5. I shoot open gate in both cameras. Just that my G9 with 14 to 140 lens serves my need very well and is very light weight compared to my S5 with either 20 to 60 or 24 to 105. So i would rather upgrade to G9 M2 as auto focus is not reliable in eithsr of them. I also feel that out of camera, natural profile appears more filmic on my G9 vs my S5 at 30P.

[@derJackistweg]

"real" cinema cameras are also crop sensor ones, unless you are in 6 digit territory. 10 months ago I needed to decide weather I go FF or GH6. And I really wanted to go FF! BUT: the S5 felt plasticky for me. And as I shoot private I want to enjoy. The GH6 body and all its buttons, tally light, screen mechanism feel soo much better. + I assumed the PDAF will come FIRST in FF Line-up = S Series and I was correct. Benefit on M4/3 is also: The best lens is the one you OWN. So I got an 12-60leica and 100-300 each for 300€ used. A 50F1.8 for 180, 45F1.8 for 150 and 12-32 (tiny one for jacket use!) for 100€ Benefit on M4/3 GH6/G9II also: All modes no crop! So I have C1-4 on: 6k, 4k50, 4k120, FHD300 (slight crop). So I can switch shooting something immediatly from 3:2 down to 300p with no change in fov.

[@LutherBaker]

I really appreciate that you had an opinion at the end of the video ... and didn't just leave it as "it depends"!

[@LowryDroneography-Steve]

Got my S5IIx on Saturday, it was a self-birthday present after eyeing it up for months. Love it so far! 👌

[@apcreativemedia]

The Panny Leica’s 10-25 and 25-50 are absolutely gorgeous lenses and something you can’t find on FF. That’s the reason I shoot primarily on the GH6!

[@frankfeng2701]

Panasonic 20-60 is one of the best kit lenses out there. Tamron has 35-150, 20-40, 17-50 for full frame for cheaper. Sigma 18-35 and 50-100 for apsc is also a lot more affordable and versatile.

[@LaurieHallLJH]

@@frankfeng2701 I agree. Those Leica zooms are beautifully made but the value prop just doesn’t stack up against full frame zooms from Tamron.

[@haploguy]

@@LaurieHallLJH *go full frame and use tamron lenses* - LOL.

[@pro.tharan]

They are great, just absolute units and horrible to travel with

[@junianwong1]

People usually compare size/weight/lens, but I found that m43 noise performance in video is not quite comparable with full frame, especially the G series. When I shot HLG with ISO 800 using G9ii, noise is already apparent whereas full frame is still very clean and usable.

[@Daydream2142]

@8:34 cameras with smaller sensors tend to have faster read out speed that's why MFT has very low rolling shutter

[@phsb66]

If I were starting out in cameras with interchangeable lenses, of course I'd go for the S5ii. But I've invested heavily in M43 to the tune of thousands of pounds, so I'm reluctant to start a lens collection from scratch. So I'll be going for the G9ii. Although, from what I've seen, heard and read, the firmware in the cameras when they are finally released will have been updated already, so it will be interesting to see what those firmware updates will bring and see if they change some of the less favourable comments of the latest camera

[@unknowndon2115]

So you’d switch to full frame just because everyone says switch to full frame? G9ii has great features idk why I would go for the s5iix if it can’t do 120fps and the 4k60 is cropped, like what the hell

[@phsb66]

@@unknowndon2115 I get your passion for MFT and I actually share it. I think I'm more frustrated that innovation and new lenses for the format are slower than for other formats. Having said that, I've already ordered two new (to me) MFT lenses (one Panasonic Zoom and one Manual), so I'm invested in MFT.

[@unknowndon2115]

@@phsb66 I have a Fuji xt-30 and just bought my first MFT camera which is the g9ii and I was deciding between that or the s5iix so I went with the g9ii cause it had all the things I need and no 4k60 crop and has 4k120

[@jamesloop]

Unpopular opinion, but I’d love for Panasonic to keep sharing camera bodies across the FF and MFT lines for their flagship MFT cameras, but release a street photography x vlogging focused GX8ii compact MFT. Fingers crossed they’ll do that, and also fuse the gh6 with the s1h for the gh6ii and s1hii.

[@DanielIkpeama]

Yeah. I'd love a gx10 or something

[@BurfieldPhoto1]

The most worrying thing for me about Panasonic is that for a number of years now it feels like they've been scatter-gun throwing out different camera variants and there's no sense of a settled line up with a clear progression so that you can plan on the future upgrades to your system. They've ditched the compact small bodies despite repeatedly saying it's a strength of M43, they brought out the cinema box cameras, they did the vlogging/content creator specific G100, with full frame we got high end stills and video specific bodies and an affordable hybrid model, then M43 gets a supposed flagship stills camera that's just a M43 version of their affordable full frame hybrid, with all of the stills specific features of its predecessor removed... There's zero sense of purpose or a plan, it's like they're just throwing out cameras and hoping something sticks.

[@DanielIkpeama]

@@BurfieldPhoto1 I agree with that. My greatest hope would be coming to a place where we could reasonably expect to know what the next body type/format would be, even if it's in 5 year cycles. Though the annoying thing for me is knowing that there have been 2 gh series cameras released since the last flagship S1 camera. And don't even get me started on the varicam or eva line. I understand not updating those as often, but honestly, it seems like they keep making multiple smaller equivalents to the S1 rather than having truly video, stills and hybrid specific bodies. Even if they put out the "hybrid" body last in the rotation with most of the features of the video and stills bodies, I could feasibly see the value in doing some major update like auto focus, making a beast of a $2k-$4k video camera, follow it up with a higher MP stills camera, and then putting out the hybrid before releasing next major tech upgrade. The nice thing is too, that you can still intersperse the point-and-shoot, rangefinder, box, and other bodies that are more niche but still desired. Even now I miss not having the super 35 crop mode from my S1h on my S5. I love being able to use the l-mount apsc lenses on my S1h. Yeah, it's kind of a niche use case that no one's really making new lenses for, but it's still nice to have the option.

[@BurfieldPhoto1]

@@DanielIkpeama the sad thing is with M43 they had that for the longest time - you knew you had the GH flagship series, the G affordable model, and then the GF and GX compact lines, and they were consistent in releasing new variants of each in sequence. Ironically it was the G9 that originally disrupted that pattern because instead of being released as a sort of cheaper budget friendly GH5 it was released as a flagship stills specific camera. Right now I have a G9 for stills and a GH6 for video and in theory the G9II would replace the G9 but it introduces very little for stills, but has that all important PDAF for video, so does it replace the GH6? Or the G9? Both? Neither? Is there a GH7 or GH6II or GH6s coming with PDAF in 6 months? Are they going to reinvent M43 with a S1H and S1R style video and stills specific model? Who has the faintest clue?

[@christofabt8958]

I use a GX7 with the 1,7/20 as an everyday camera. I love the design and small size of the concept and I cannot imagine that there is no market for this type of capable, compact cameras. The IQ of the ten years old GX7 with a small prime is still far better than the IQ of any smartphone.

[@HugoVarvoglis]

Thanks for the video Sam.The convenience to change frame rates without crop is very important for me as a GH5 user and I think G9II is a great upgrade, if S5II had the 4K50 without a crop I would consider for sure but as all shown I'll stick with my micro four looser system 😁

[@demarsdigital]

Same! I have the GH5 and GH5s and the leicas 8-16mm 12-60mm, and OG 100-400 just trying to find out if the 4k has 120fps autofocus for videoing birds in flight!🐦

[@andreasbulowhansen9413]

I have to say the G9ii looks incredible for what it is. I'm on the S5ii now but used the GH5 for years before. Honestly I do miss the uncropped 50p. Yes, lowlight is much better and lots of improvement in AF and so on but I would say the main benefit of the S series is actually more on the photography side. Video was always top notch on MFT.

[@georgefromgreece4119]

Less rolling shutter too in mft! Both systems are great though and excel in different fields and scenarios.

[@aiseurnae5976]

I just sold my GH6 and I got the G9II to replace it. You had so right about the difference in colors, the GH6 colors are nicer in my opinion, the colors of the G9II are sometimes weird with very flashy greens, skin tones are reddish, the colors teint is more pleasant on the GH6. Next time I will try the camera before selling another one. For photos, I also prefer the Gh6, but the sensor is more or less the same, so the G9II still has a bit of the the magic of the GH6. However, the AF is so much better that maybe I can live with these colors, I will need to edit my videos more than I did when I had the GH6 though.

[@anotherintrospekt6596]

Do you feel better about the camera so far?

[@aiseurnae5976]

@@anotherintrospekt6596 Not really, I bought the GH6 again. I really prefer the image of the GH6, colors and skin tones are the best I have seen on a Panasonic cameras. The G9II on the other hand has the best AF and the best IBIS of every Panasonic cameras. So I use the G9II for run and gun, and the GH6 when I want the best quality.

[@georgefromgreece4119]

​@@aiseurnae5976 now the GH7 is here combining the best of both worlds.

[@aiseurnae5976]

@@georgefromgreece4119 No the GH7 has the same colors than the G9II

[@georgefromgreece4119]

​@@aiseurnae5976 ah that's a pity, thanks for informing!

[@florianschfr]

In 2006 when I got my first DSLR I used it a lot. When I got tho cheap zooms and two entry level primes was the peak. But I had to continue. Going die 2.8 pro zooms and better primes. Clearly better quality stuff. Which I brought along less and less. Too bulky... so I learned the hard way what "the best camera is the one you have with you" means. Take some psychological strength to stop GAS at the right point. Btw I am mostly talking about private photo and video for fun. Paid jobs were less of an issue.

[@teohyc]

M43. Weight savings is significant

[@Ulrich.Bierwisch]

I'm using the GH6 since it came out and I think it's a great camera. But for my use cases, the G9-II can do the same or more and it's better in 4 very important areas: 1. AF 2. Stabilization (at least a lot of the tests-videos show that e-stabilization takes out the wobble with wide lenses and is much better when walking) 3. Image quality is better below ISO800 and you don't have to switch DR-Boost on and off. It's always on up to 60fps. Since I like to use natural profile and ISO down to 100, this is much better for me. 4. It's lighter and I'm using the camera a lot on bicycle trips or carry it around for hours when walking thru towns. As soon as you want to use the 800mbit/s or higher codecs internal, or you do a lot of long recordings like events, interviews and such, you don't want to risk overheating and prefer a camera that can run reliable for a much longer time under more or less all conditions.

[@catattackcat8754]

Of course the G9 II has Open Gate, it is 5,8K mode, the same mode as on my GH6. And I prefer the colors from the G9 II, the GH6 has great colors but I think it has too much yellow/red tint, like the S5II. Nevetheless thank you for this comparison but I would like to see a 1:1 comparison between these cameras and especially with the G9. Almost nobody speak about the fine details rendering, for people who like to crop or to have the best image quality, it's very important. I think more and more cameras uses tricks like temporal noise reduction or details filtering to get smoother image, but fine details are simply not as good as before, especially in low light.

[@LonStar3000]

The GH6 has yellow/red tint??? I do not have the G9II yet to compare. Show us the difference.

[@catattackcat8754]

@@LonStar3000 Look at 3:10. Everybody has different tastes about colors. Don't get me wrong, I really like the colors of the GH6 compared to the first G9, but I'm not a fan of the warm tint. The G9II seems to have the same beautiful colors of the GH6 without the warm tint.

[@danieldougan269]

In a perfect world, I would have one of each. I have a whole array of Micro Four Thirds lenses and two pretty good cameras (G85 and OM-D E-M1 Mark II), so the G9 II would be the easiest transition for me. But there is an argument to be made for keeping my E-M1 Mark II as a B cam and getting the S5 II (or S5 IIX) as an A camera.

[@AoyagiAichou]

I travel for work, use long lenses and zoom lenses. Plus for fun I shoot action/kids and wildlife where good, crop-less slow motion comes in handy. Definitely the G9ii for me!

[@MrJayclas]

The full frame S5ii just looks better on so many shots, especially the outside walking shots. The way it handle light affects the colors in a great way.

[@erbartlett]

the thing thats holding me back from full frame are the 1) massive size of zoom lenses, like the 100-400mm 2) crop factor of higher frame rates, its annoying to have to reframe when shooting in 60fps

[@whatwelearned]

Bet you wouldn't go back if you tried it. Can't imagine buying MFT having gone FF

[@BryanPopeProductions]

@@whatwelearned What are the main reasons for that?

[@Verde88]

I actually went back, mostly for tele lenses. I loose 2 stops of light, which I can compensate with a faster lens (f/1.2)

[@RJPhotographics]

Been shooting full frame for years. I went the other way. M43 does the heavy lifting, and my FF gear steps in in extremely low light. Who isn't primarily working in good light? The mobility M43 offers is very nice on long days.

[@nolannatashaTV]

I really love the idea of two bodies. One s5ii and one g9ii. Best of both worlds I think and the fact that they are the same bodies so your muscle memory doesn't get in your way. I feel like it's the ultimate set up. There is so much I love about MFT, it's my preference when I'm on the go. But there are times when I do just want the full frame look and low light abilities. I have so many mft lenses and I feel like for those of us who have collected mft glass this gives us a great way to integrate those assets into an efficient two camera workflow. I think a g9ii with my current lenses and a s5ii with two primes and I could officially stop lusting after camera gear. (lol maybe not quite.) Another great video Sam, thanks for you work.

[@SamHolland]

All valid points there. At the end of the day, whatever camera we have right now will more than likely do the job we need for the next ten years or so! Thank YOU for watching 🤩🙏🏻🎥

[@trinimedia19]

You have to choose the right tool for the job. MFT is better in certain situation for example wildlife filming and photography. MFT Leica 100-400mm equivalent in FF would be too huge and heavy.

[@robert_may]

Interesting problem that the G9II has is that it's the same size as the S5II, and honestly full-frame lenses have been getting notably more compact whilst the MFT system lens options have kinda stagnated, to the point where you can basically get an identical size setup for both these cameras but have all the extra benefits of a FF sensor. They need to be much bolder with MFT in order to play to its strengths - get some exciting lens designs only possible on that sensor size, or start making ultra-compact MFT bodies again (like a new GX).

[@sjoerdberends4988]

I get your point. But these camera's are fairly small. I'd recommend to watch some wildlife reviews of this camera, that is where the g9ii (also in video) really shines. And don't forget the difference in price of the lenses.

[@haploguy]

what is the "basically" identical setup for G9II+35-100 on FF?

[@robert_may]

@@haploguy Yeah fair - that 35-100 is a crazy lens that has no real equivalent. But most of the shorter lenses are not overly different to their FF equivalents. Such as the 8-18 being extremely similar to the 14-28 FF lens. When you compare things like the MFT 24-70 equivalent f/2.8 lenses to their FF f/4 equivalents (as due to depth-of-field and noise levels they're functionally equivalent), there really isn't a huge difference right now. The benefit in MFT is lenses that are impossible on FF, but it really feels like there's a bit of a lack of them recently.

[@robert_may]

@@sjoerdberends4988 Yeah so far the wildlife performance seems really solid - I'd love to see how it performs with the Olympus 300mm f/4 as that'd make it easier to compare to the OM-1 for me (as I used to shoot that combo).

[@lumingate]

No dynamic range comparison! Ahhhh thats what I wanted to see! Good video mate!

[@SamHolland]

Ahhhh I did it but left it out but I can tell you it looked the same to my eye (I didn’t do scientific testing and all specs are on the website) the noise levels are better on the S5ii as in the low light tests. Thanks for watching 🙏🏻🎥

[@lumingate]

Mate thanks for the response. Big fan of the channel!@@SamHolland

[@SamHolland]

@@lumingate my pleasure! 🤩 thank YOU! I appreciate you tuning in and commenting! 🙏🏻🎥

[@woodypaul_]

I knew you were the one person that would do this camera comparison and you didnt disappoint lol

[@SamHolland]

Thank you! 🤩🙏🏻🎥

[@TooMuch__2]

I think G9ii should be closer to 1300/1400 as S5ii in my country is slightly cheaper than FX30.for beginners at this price range S5ii is the better option.

[@keithnisbet]

Absolutely agree. G9ii I love but at almost $2K compared to S5ii, not a buyer at that price. November sales $1497 and I pull the trigger.

[@AlbertoFigueroaArquitectura]

Amazing video. I have a G7 and a couple of primes. I´m torn wether to upgrade to G9II or move to S5II. I do vlogs and photo for architecture

[@georgefromgreece4119]

Stay on mft

[@simonyoung1339]

It's kind of strange to hear you say "there's not much in it" with regards to the rolling shutter performance between the G9ii and the S5iix. The G9ii seems to have the same RS as the GH6, which is 12.5ms whereas the s5iix has approximately 22ms in 6k and 4k. Almost twice as slow.

[@snowwalker9999]

I am done with the APSC. You have convinced me. The reason: "Low light"

[@Superz3ro]

(4:05) Max ISO: the Lumix S5IIx has a sensors that lets in four times more light than the Lumix G9II. Hence, the maximum ISO of 51200 of a FF sensor is equivalent to 12800 on a µ4/3 sensor…. So relatively they are basically the same Max ISO… 🤔

[@langdons2848]

Horses for courses. I shoot (images) with a FF Canon 1DXii, which I love and also a G9 (usually with the 200-800mm zoom). As a pair they give me everything I want, so I won't be choosing one of the other. I'll be upgrading my G9 to a G9ii, mostly for the autofocus. I'm looking forward to doing more video with the G9ii.

[@DocBoA]

G9ii = Amazing G9 with PDAF is a no-brainer for me. Top Notch Content Upload Sam!

[@TsvetanVLife]

The main reason for many people to stay at micro 4/3 is always been and still is the price of the lenses. Yes FF is very attempting, but the pice of the lenses.

[@03chrisv]

G9 ii with a pancake lens is perfect for going out and about for daylight photography and light video work. The S5 ii is perfect for videography/cinematography, especially in low light conditions and in a studio. Full frame just has a too big of an advantage when it comes to low light performance and giving you that "movie" look with its BDoF.

[@alborzmont2860]

S5ii is on the way, can't wait :D

[@A1Bokeh]

that g9 looks good.. the g9 is a special camera I got some great images out of that thing

[@steveschnetzler5471]

Wait till you get a bit older, then those lighter MFT lenses, especially in the 300 to 1200 range, or even the fast wide angle models will start looking more attractive. Your back will thank you. Thanks for the comparison.

[@TheLunzDen]

Or just hit the gym

[@edjefferson9175]

The compelling reason for me to choose the G9II is the ability to mount the amazing Lumix f/1.7 zoom lenses. Neither have proper timecode inputs though - I wonder if there could be a firmware that would convert the audio inputs to timecode inputs. The GH6 uses the flash sync port to do this. I do record timecode from a Tentacle Sync box to an audio track and convert it with the included software. It works well for my personal use.

[@nightdonutstudio]

To me which camera brand or even system to buy depend more on lens. If I am starting over now with full frame cameras. I am looking at each brand cameras and lens. Ok canon r6 II might be the best value hybird camera. But then I look at Canon lens line up. I would still go with Sony. M4/3 is not ruled out completely for me. If they have lens interest me and fit my needs, I will buy it. Thier 10-25 f1.7 is one of them. This lens pretty much saved m43 in my opinion. So if they continue to make amazing fast zoom lens. I think m43 is alive.

[@jalslenses9687]

Ughhh I am so still debating lol. I am working with a gx9 and getting a g9ii would let me keep all my lenses. BUT I really want to get an S5iix Maybe I will rent the 2 of them to shoot a rodeo and see what suits me best

[@HiethGeorge]

Something for the afternoon with a cup of tea and slice of cake 🍰 I guessed right but only as it was slightly cropped besides that couldn't tell !

[@SamHolland]

Haha thanks man. Enjoy your tea and cake! 🍰

[@ivancerezo7526]

Hey!! Thanks so much for your job!! As you said, I am a micro 4/3 user for long so I have some lenses already. The thing is that I need a better camera for photos than what I have, I was thinking of moving to S5ii before knowing about the G9II. And now I am in between. Changing to full frame?? Keeping with micro?? It is specially for stills. Would be great a comparison between these 2 more focused in photography. Thanks mate, your videos help a lot!!

[@keithnisbet]

I appreciate your comments re changing to FF. But, (I am a G9 user already), I think for most places where video/stills work is shown the quality of MFT is very usable. Although there are no longer any body size advantages to MFT, there are definitely huge lens size and cost advantages. So, if the G9ii body comes down in price by $300 I will buy it because it has so many pro features and is so well built. But, it certainly is tempting to go FF when you have such a small price difference on the bodies between S5ii (X) and G9ii. But, those lenses are big by comparison.

[@Verde88]

Talk to your local dealer , i already had an offer 300 usd cheaper than the release price ! Waiting for it now …

[@Sorennn94]

G9 ii all the way

[@TPVPRO]

I am still waiting on the Gh5s ii. That Gh5s at 400mps Vlog is just 👌

[@mauricelaar9399]

Hi Sam, Isn't the opengate the 4:3 aspact ratio that is shown in the menus? Great video as always!

[@SamHolland]

Hi. Thank you. Open gate is 3:2 🙏🏻🎥 thanks for watching 🤩

[@amermeleitor]

​@@SamHolland😢

[@MatthewDangyou]

You are right👍🏻 the Open gate on Micro 4:3 is the 5.8K 4:3 in 24/30fps because the sensor is 4:3 while full frame camera sensors are a 3:2 sensor ratios

[@SamHolland]

@MatthewDangyou oh that makes sense!!! 🙏🏻🎥

[@demarsdigital]

Nice video I enjoy your work. Is there continuous autofocus in 4k 120fps?

[@artistjoh]

MFT all the way for me. I have loved my G9 (except for the hair trigger shutter) and look forward to getting the G9 II. One thing not really considered here is the extra weight that fan adds to the camera. The S5 II X is significantly heavier than the G9 II and for a single user content creator, the weight is a large factor for hand held and vlogging footage. The G9 II is already at the upper limit of what is feasible for a content creator, and the S5 II X sails past that upper limit into 'no thank you' territory. Especially when factoring in full frame lens sizes. Any fast aperture lens in full frame is humungous in comparison to MFT. Meanwhile MFT has a great range of smaller f1.8 and 1.7 lenses, while being able to go to f1.4 and 1.2, or even 0.95 when wanted. These faster lenses eliminate the low light advantage of full frame because the larger size and much greater cost of very fast full frame lenses means you tend to use slower lenses to keep the weight down. This is why I switched from full frame to MFT three years ago and I have been very pleased I did so. My only gripe is the lack of serious compacts for the system. Consequently I use the Sony RX100 VII and ZV-E10 as well as the Pocket 1 and 2 to supplement my G9 and GH5 II. But 90% of my serious work is MFT. I am currently shooting the images for a history book which involves a lot of macro, and photographing 2D art, in addition to buildings and places. The G9 does a wonderful job, and I will be getting a G9 II as an additional camera mostly for the 4K slow motion, stabilization, and other video features that will add to what I can do with the GH5 II rather than to replace the G9 which will remain my stills camera. The GH5 II is a beast, but too heavy at times. The G9 II is not as good on some things, but better on others, but its best feature is always its weight.

[@kenstreetcinema]

I still love the m43 system. especially now. Looking forward for the GH7

[@anotherintrospekt6596]

Hope it comes

[@andersistbesser]

hmmm i like the cooler g9 colors more. i dont understand why the s5 and gh6 make everyone yellow. what i always loved about panasonic cams is the natural colors. yellow does not cut it for me

[@aiseurnae5976]

I agree, the G9II colors look better.

[@JacoboCastroCristo]

What about the dynamic range between the two cameras?

[@waipahutube]

Can you shoot video in crop mode with the SIIx? i like the additional reach with a crop sensor so if the siix could shoot in crop mode that would be epic.

[@baxslatton]

I totally get it that there’s still a TON of MFT users and lenses out there, but man I wish they would’ve used this as their first APSC. Just another solid Lumix I can use my l mount lenses on

[@TheOli4D]

Why would they do that? MFT and fullframe are more further apart, better to differentiate, have their strenghs and weaknesses. APSC sits kinda strangly in the middle. The sensor is not that much bigger than MFT. And there are plenty of good APSC options like the one from Fuji for example.

[@overnightdelivery]

@@TheOli4D Yeah the G9ii is not far behind APS-C sensors at all in terms of low light noise. Definately improved over the G9, which wasn't that bad for m43 either.

[@georgefromgreece4119]

​@@TheOli4D You just named the reason. And APSC sensor is significantly bigger than MFT. And that comes from both a Panasonic and MFT fan that just wants to see APSC Lumix.

[@truboston]

Incredible, thanks for this review! I love this new camera and even thinking now to switch back from s5II to G9II when it come out. Sam, do you still have that high iso camera comparison footage left, could you please upload it somewhere for download?

[@BuildMontage]

I use a G9 for my run and gun - your videos have convinced me to go for the S5iix - it's just a painful transition from M4/3 to FF but it's a no brainer which camera is better. Thanks for a great video as always.

[@Verde88]

Which one is better? I have s5ii and I think g9 is better, besides the sensor

[@BuildMontage]

@@Verde88 oh I love the s5iix although my g9 with a 9mm lens and using cinelike-d looks so crispy!

[@braydendilworth4123]

Been rocking a GH5 for a while now (micro 4/3) and the S5iix is my dream camera. Just can afford it for a while due to my wedding and move across the country in a few months. One day tho!

[@DaCrazyJoe]

Both cameras are amazing but I personally like s5iix better but I love that g9ii micro 3/4 if s5iix was micro it would be the perfect camera for me ❤

[@rztrk3311]

Was just thinking about this today as im debating between the two systems (currently have M43 lenses).. very timely video. Thanks!!

[@J-Kimble]

I'm in the same shoes. Turns out my photography habits may be better served with FF: (low light, animals & landscapes). And now I'm considering moving systems namely to the S5mk2. I have a g9 mk1 with a few lenses but again, turns out I'm only using like 1-3 of those lenses so moving systems may be a lot cheaper as I know now what I want to cover.

[@johnclay7644]

informative comparison video thanks Sam.

[@SamHolland]

Thanks John

[@endah08]

Interesting, you seemed to be really excited by the gh6 but not so sold on the g9ii even though they're very similar. Would you consider giving it a shot for a while to see how your feelings change? I'm particularly interested in you using some of the cool MFT lenses, the Olympus 12-100 f4 is a crazy lens that deserves more attention 24-200 FF equiv.

[@SamHolland]

I think the only real difference was the AF in the G9ii but the GH6 had fans and a few other things that I enjoyed. Would love to try some other stuff though 🤩 thanks for watching and commenting

[@benjamin.kelley]

I can tell which one was the G9 ii and the beginning not because it was punched in, but because it just had that MFT image look.

[@AndrewJosephKeith]

I’ve got the original S5 and it’s still a great camera. I also have a Lumix g85 that i got a while back and liked it better than the canon m50. I prefer full frame L-mount to the m4/3 and I’ve adapted vintage lenses that work great and can be found for around $100 (depending on the lens)

[@azntactical4884]

I just bought a used g85 The only reason is because i didn't want the bulk that comes with a full frame. I wanted something light, cost effective and good at video recording without breaking the bank.

[@MojaveMark]

Thank you for having an opinion! 😊

[@DamianBrown]

My S5 and G9 are feeling nervous 😅

[@3dtrip870]

I have a ton of MFT glass and an Oly EM1 iii and GH6. I also have a Sony a7r3 and a6400. I get better video out of the GH6 than any of the others (my Sony's don't have 10 bit, nor high bit rates). It really depends on the work you do: I do a lot of photogrammetry, so I need more DoF, and better stabilization, hence, MFT is better. Also, MFT has really, really great lenses at a fraction of the cost and size of FF. FF is definitely better in low light and has more dynamic range, but in good lighting, there really is less advantage. They are both great platforms, I hope they both keep getting supported.

[@AlanChunkyMunky]

lol does panasonic have a trade in program? would love to exchange the gh6 for a g9ii

[@georgefromgreece4119]

A cool idea!

[@andersistbesser]

lol you say you dont want to think about the crop factor. i never do. i know what a 12 25 42 lense is. i never think about what it is in system i dont use. why should a mft or apsc user think in full frame terms?

[@robertluxamafreethinker]

Why m43 or aps-c users think in a fullframe therms? I think it's the fullframe users, who think in the fullframe therms for comparing themself to the other frames, where that was exactly the logic of existence and creation of the fullframe sensor. But not the Crop Ones had to do that to be existed at the beginning. Where there was no fullframe sensor to compare themself, just the others crop ones. Because of the existence of others frames at the beginning where the newest fullframe one had to differe itself to the other first ones like the Super35, Super16 and others. Where it was importante to make It sure to people: "it's a fullframe, it's a 1x1, compare to the others frames we all knew before at beginning without the need the compare or making multiplication, just what it is". In other hand, if it doesn't existe Super35 or Super16 firstly, no one would never mind about the existence of fullframe therm as well, it would be just a frame, if there was nothing more to compare with. The existence of one, automaticly makes the importance of the other one. One of the easiest way market sals too people cameras. Not base on "their needs" or the necesity but on the importance in comparasion to others. It's exactly the same concept market we call: "the kitsch concept". The modern market concept nowadays.

[@andersistbesser]

@@robertluxamafreethinker u miss the point. I dont care about the fact that a 25 mft is a 50 on full frame because it is not relevant to me. There is medium format also which is much bigger than the so called "full frame" and i am very sure medium guys dont care about other Formats. 35 mm is not the be all end all. U have to know the system u use. No need to compare with systems u dont work with.

[@robertluxamafreethinker]

@@andersistbesser I agree with your point. My comment and point of view is not against your point, but just amplify It in the same way it is.

[@iacopobarbetti]

great video!!! do you think they will add autofocus functions like cars, animals etc to the s5ii too?

[@SamHolland]

I’d like to think so but I can’t speculate. Lumix have done updates in the past with firmware 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🎥

[@iacopobarbetti]

@@SamHolland ok thanks, we hope

[@SorinGociu]

big difference! you can see it in the blurring of the background. funny how you aked which is which when using cameras with different sizes sensors. not even between FF and APS-C, but between FF and MFT!!!

[@cornishreptiles]

I would love to see Panasonic bring out a L-Mount to M4/3 adapter that works. Just like Canon and Nikon bought out the F to Z mount etc etc. Now full frame glass on a M4/3 camera? I spent the day at an owl sanctuary with my S5iiX and my current longest lens 85mm 1.8. However if I could easily adapt these lenses to work with full autofocus and full functionality to a G9ii then it would be an absolutely perfect camera to pair up with the S5ii. When you want extra reach, for sports, wildlife etc etc, the G9ii and the 2x reach, autofocus modes and everything else would be a no brainer. Rather than having two completely different systems I can carry just two bodies and one set of lenses. The S 70-200mm 2.8 on the G9ii would make an absolutely cracking option, when you needed it, for wildlife on the G9ii and a superb set up for portraits on the S5ii. In my eyes anyway.

[@bastian.michel]

4k 60p crop is a big deal for me. Thats stopping me. Had the ZVE1, didnt like it. Stick with Pansonic mFT until they offer 4k without crop.

[@MrAntpre]

Thanks nice video. About the s5ii x. I ll be interested to know if it works well for wireless live streaming. After the launch some reviewer where mentioning a few quirks. I wander if they have been fixed.

[@waynealejo]

I'd say these same specs in a box camera even if it's M43, at a cheaper price, would be the right market for Panasonic.Phase detect, BRAW output, maybe internal ND's and we would have the Box camera BM didn't release.

[@AndyLSB]

Let’s wait for the BGH2

[@SamuraiCop]

Sick guitar!

[@SamHolland]

Thanks 🎥🎸

[@georgefromgreece4119]

​@SamHolland this here's a strat 🤭 though.

[@TheBucsAnthem]

I would disagree on prices going up on FF cameras....infact, prices are going down on all FF cameras and gear due to Sony affordable FF cameras now; and also the simple fact that the pricing between FF and MFT is only a few hundred dollars apart now unlike 3 years ago when there was like massive price difference. There are no advantages to MFT now except with the exception of weight savings and portability and focal length reach.......but the majority of shooters would rather have better low-light performance and the DOF full frame look. I will be going to FF soon, but I still love that "Leica look" on MFT when using their lenses.....there's just something about it I love.

[@martineldridge1319]

Hi Sam, Excellent Review. When you did your testing on the Lumix G9 II did you notice if you were able to do a crop when shooting in 4K Video mode?

[@hisroyalsucculence]

Great video! Curious as to why you said full frame Panasonic cameras would be going up in price?

[@revelationvideoproductions1168]

This one is tough. I've been using Panasonic since 2016. I also have the original G9 which I love and use for all my B-Rolls in weddings. That being said I probably would go with the Lumix S5II for couple reason: One full frame, and two better at low light which I have to deal with a lot when filming weddings, because most receptions are very low lite

[@unknowndon2115]

“One full frame” what about full frame? What’s so special about it

[@williamsolis1]

I would love the APSC version of this. I actually reckon they'll make it. So many super35 lenses being made these days.

[@Yasir-k1u]

Mft is better than ff. The sensor is bigger than usualy used in filming + offers more stabilisation because the sensor is lighter. You can get good quality lenses in small + and you can get Olympus lenses (f.e. 75mm 1.8). 4/3 is a better ratio than 3/2 if you are using opengate for cropping + better corner sharpness in general. And now the best part: You can use all your lenses with small cameras like GM5 or Olympus Pens. Why I should choose a ff system that only offering me more lowlight capabilitys if I rearely use it?

[@lalyspile7058]

Low light capabilities still aren’t that great compared to full frame. Switched from a gh5 to the s5ii and the differences in low light performance was drastic.

[@Yasir-k1u]

You will be sup@@lalyspile7058 True only because we don't compare fairly. In reality, there is little to no difference. How do I come to such a statement and what would be a fair comparison? Compare lenses of the same size and weight and you will quickly see that there is no significant advantage for ff. That means you use small lenses for everything for which you have enough light available and save a lot of weight and then only change to a large lens when you actually need one. Sure, there are still advantages, but these are often associated with poorer image quality and therefore stopping down is mandatory. But if we assume that the open aperture quality would not differ, then the advantage of a 1.8 lens in ff against a similarly heavy 1.2 lens in mft would only be 2/3 aperture stops. And this small difference is more than adequately covered by the image stabilizer. And even for moving images, the difference of 2/3 apertures will probably be bearable.

[@keithnisbet]

Good review. But, I'm not sure what makes you think the FF cameras will start sky rocketing in price. Thanks

[@Superz3ro]

If all things are equal save for the sensor size, I know I would choose the Lumix G9II, the system will benefit over the long run in a myriad of ways… 🤔

[@edjefferson9175]

Nice comparison! Tough choice.

[@ShashankKatiyar0]

In the initial footage, npticed G9ii footage to be cleaner and with less banding 😮

[@Abdi_Mohamed_]

Would love to see the G9ii vs the FX30 just for the image quality etc

[@fosiko123]

Was just thinking about this; which one should I get; have the old G9 for 3 yrs already with couple of lenses; I’m leaning more towards the G9 11 but will wait till late next year when price may come down a little bit 70/30 photo/video and more into plane spotting and casual family pictures

[@raredreamfootage]

Can you shoot at lower than the base ISO on both?

[@TyrantTiger85]

Would love more comparison of these two cameras!

[@poeticwave7202]

Hi. Thanks for the video. I want to know if you can use these cameras for streaming. And how comfortable are they to use?