LUMIX S9 VS Sony E10ii (BEST Small Camera)|

[@indradinho88]

It's funny because at first I thought it was a stupid move by Panasonic to release a crippled camera that didn't have EVF and mechanical shutter. It didn't even have hotshoe lol. It's a colorful toy camera with a lot of gimmicks. After watching a few videos about S9 true capabilities, I realized that this camera was the answer --I always wanted a small camera that can record 10bit, open gate video and have good IBIS. I even sold my serious camera (GH5) to fund the toycam. Now I have a cute, crimson red S9 with Sigma 45mm. What a twist. And I love it.

[@MatthewDangyou]

HAHA this is the best and more true comment I have ever seen. Honestly it takes a solid minute to adjust to the viewfinder, and adjusting the shutter. But once you got it nailed down, this camera is so much more fun to use imo

[@castielvargastv7931]

I own a gh7 and i want the toy camera as well😆

[@UniquelyMary]

That’s my same setup and I love it. Even for what I use it, I know I don’t get the most out of it. I’m waiting for the 18-40 - that’s the only drawback. Few small AF lenses. But the 45mm is amazing!

[@markshirley01]

​@@UniquelyMarythe 18-40 and the 45 are the lenses I'd choose for the S9. I currently use a A7R5 with a 20-40 and shoot entirely vertical for social media accounts. I'd love to see how the S9 could work for this type of work. The IBIS is the big thing for me. I get around shake by filming in 50 and 100 so I can slow down the footage.

[@malikharden5124]

I don’t know why lumix doesn’t throw the g9II sensor or gh7 in a small body like the G100 with open gate 4k120 (with a time limit). Good ibis and 10 bit. I feel like they could take over the compact market pretty easily. Especially if they kept it around 1k like the ZVe10

[@castielvargastv7931]

Because it had to be as expensive as g9 and gh7 to make profit an customers dont want to pay this kind of money for a small camera

[@malikharden5124]

@@castielvargastv7931 people buy the zve10 which has the same sensor as the fx30 which is 800 more bucks they just strip features. And the g9ii has been on sale since it came out. Which Panasonic has to help with some of those sales from retailers. I've seen it new for 1300 bucks body only. I feel like they could make it happen. And when they released the Gx9 it had the same sensor as the g9 which was their flagship at the time

[@MrTaco-ei5hl]

Yes, FF - S1Hx Faster sensor readout speeds!! Cloud connectivity ( firmware updates ) Like the idea of " locking the sensor". Lidar / phase autofocus ( focus in very low light ) 32 bit audio Lumix app with Focus pulling LUT - app like S9 ....... or ...... Box cinema " Lumix Art " camera All the above with internal ND - and a few welcome unseen surprises.

[@MatthewDangyou]

Love it!

[@pixelundspaetzle]

Great Podcast Episode! Thanks for that Matt and Josh! Love both your channels and watch them all the time!

[@MatthewDangyou]

Thanks appreciate the comment!

[@Nqk27123456]

The comparison between these 2 cameras is kind of...stupid? The Sony is 2/3 the price, the lenses are also cheaper, so if you want to get into video it is a much easier choice, compares to the Lumix S9. Comparing the S9 to the A6700 on the other hand would be a better choice, and then you see how weird the S9 is.

[@seanbrucemedia5695]

A6700 is no comparison to the S9, at all. It's actually a bit weird that you think it is.

[@Nqk27123456]

@@seanbrucemedia5695 because it smokes the S9 lol. And if you want FF the ZVE1 also smokes the S9. That's why you Pana fanboy keep comparing it to the ZVE10II which is 40% cheaper

[@Nqk27123456]

@seanbrucemedia5695 because it smokes the S9, and if you want FF the ZVE1 is right there. Don't know why are you Panasonic fanboys so obsessed with the ZVE10 II which is much cheaper lol.

[@seanbrucemedia5695]

I love my S9. It's definitely requiring some adjustment to adapt to its missing elements compared to my S5ii. I disagree seriously with Josh's opinion that Lumix doesn't need to release a new flagship photo focused FF camera. In terms of quality the S5ii(x) does yield very nice, high quality photos BUT it is not a high performance camera, so nowhere near ideal for fast action sports with low mechanical fps speed and slow sensor readout, nor a high rez camera (outside of the limited hi rez photo modes). No Lumix camera currently does off camera flash bursts either. These are just a few things that are addressed in other brands' photo focused cameras, and have been for quite some years which currently Lumix still offers no solution for, despite us their photographer customers asking specifically for them. I've purchased 6 Lumix cameras starting with the GH4 when it debuted (I was heavy into video which was why I chose Lumix). I feel like Lumix needs to release whatever product they have intended to be the S1(r) successor in the very near future or at least officially 'announce' it with an ETA or their photographer customers like me who have purchased the same camera (S5, S5ii, S9) 3 times from them just may finally move away to address their premium level photo camera needs.

[@MrJapanforce]

Lumix for ever. Lumix for life. Period.

[@umaraslam7731]

I think alot of the backlash from the s9 at least from the lumix/m43 perspective (i use a g7) is the lack of a compact photography focus hybrid camera. Mind you alot of rumors were pointing towards a ff gx8. But we gots lumix's version of a zve1. Which is awesome still! But there is a feeling of being ignored. The last gx was released nearly 6 years ago and isnt sold anymore. I understand Panasonic is more focusing on video. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth for investing into lumix ecosystem for photography.

[@AlexDiazVideo]

Sony bias is real, no doubt. But when talking about the different reactions for E10ii and S9 price was seemingly not brought up. The trade offs for the E10ii are more stomach-able when the S9 cost 1.5x as much. The S9 came out at a price that was more than I got the S5ii used at that same time. Price is a real concern, and it's the reason that I went S5ii over saving up an extra 1k for A7iv or 2k for Fx3. For that same reason when I'm looking at a second smaller travel camera, I'm still eying up the cheaper E10ii over the S9, especially when considering smaller lenses to pair for less money.

[@millerrd0725]

Tbh I’m just glade cameras are still being talked about . Because let’s be honest the average person no going out to buy an $1700 camera when they can buy a $1700 iPhone .

[@andrewsorrell2924]

30 mins recording limit and 18-40. this would be a win.

[@PhrontisteryArt]

Weird, I honestly didn't know people hated the S9 from all the reviews I seen it looks like a pretty good camera..

[@MatthewDangyou]

You missed out on the comment section then haha

[@PhrontisteryArt]

@@MatthewDangyou clearly I did

[@PhrontisteryArt]

@@MatthewDangyou I'm actually planning a trip to go somewhere but I've been looking at so many cameras. I kind of want one that works with external SSD recording and image saving.

[@jeffimanuel]

25:05 Nikon Z6iii does that iirc

[@BrandonLovesCameras]

Always a good day when Matt drops a new episode. Love to hear Josh’s perspective on things.

[@MatthewDangyou]

Thanks mate!

[@markshirley01]

12:49 can you shoot 1080p 50 or 100fps in open-gate. I shoot 100% vertical these days for social media accounts. If it can't I don't see the point of the feature as I need to have the security of slow motion as a backup.

[@MatthewDangyou]

If you are talking about the 4:3 60fps in 3.3K that is actually 16:9 cropped into a 4:3 which is anamorphic support and not actually an open gate on Lumix full frame, and it is an APSC crop too on top of that. Then for full frame 1080 are all 16:9 formats, and there are also no open gate settings in 1080 unless you mean it doesn't have the APSC crop

[@markshirley01]

@@MatthewDangyou thanks - it doesn't look like open gate would be much use to me shooting vertical in slowmo. But no brand seems to do open gate in slowmo so not the end of the world. I actually like to see how my image looks framed in portrait anyway

[@MatthewDangyou]

@@markshirley01 Yeah the main advantage (for myself) is when I shoot commercials that have multiple formats vertical and horizontal. A Open Gate 48fps 4:2:0 10 bit would be amazing for that style of content

[@DroseMr]

FF GH7 no crop, 6k60 open gate,AF Pdaf throughout,olpf, internal vnd ,no evf, 1/20 cage body size of the s1h.w dual cf express type b slots, locking recessed hdmi and usbc or thunderbolt4, 70-200 2x teleconverter with a switch on/off. Go Lumix

[@LuisFelipeBustilloVelasquez]

Matt I have a question about the s5iix vs the s9, does the s9 also looses PDAF at higher ISO than 12,800 in V-Log?

[@pureheartvisuals]

Loved this conversation. I have 3 - S5 II, 1 - S5 IIX and now the S9 for Events. I agree completely the S9 has become my Swiss Army Knife Personal/Work EDC an absolute misread by many people 😅. The S9 stays with me while my other 4 is ready for work only. I know I will be tempted by a new flagship, I am in a great position right now with my current gear that I trust to get things done reliably.

[@MatthewDangyou]

well you can always sell 2 S5ii's for 1 Flagship camera haha! But that is an awesome kit set up!

[@pureheartvisuals]

@@MatthewDangyou 😂 I need the 5 Bodies. I’m just going to have to live that upgrade through the eyes of your Review in the future. 😂 4K with no crop ? I’m used to it now 😅 32-Bit Audio ? I have 5 Tentacle Track E, Sync E, Zoom F6 & a couple of Instamics for Timecode. Moire? I changed my distance from subject to correct. 4K/120fps … 😳. Thats a tough one to run from 😅 Definitely ready to see what LUMIX to do.

[@mochale9519]

Contet?

[@MatthewDangyou]

lol haha I am thumbnail testing and made all three thumbnails last night at like 10:30pm😂😂👍🏻