Lunati Bootlegger Camshaft Dyno Test at Westech

The guys over at Westech put the new Lunati Bootlegger Camshaft to the test with some amazing results.

[@jedwebster8976]

I hit the thumbs down. No specs on anything, especially the cam, didn’t get to hear idle. Sounded like a sales pitch for the cam and springs rather than a dyno/review, which is the gist we are given beginning the video. He says it ran perfect... compared to what? If Barnett was right there are lots of cams with similar specs capable of much more power. So Lunati/ Holley decided to use the popularity of Westech/Steve Brûlé and Engine Masters to sell products? Bad form guys. Westech don’t taint your good reputation getting roped into this kind of false representation. This video was simply click bait to sell a product. I and multitudes more have no respect for that. I will continue to watch anything Westech or Motortrend but won’t ever click on a video with this guy again.

[@flinch622]

Well, it's a 383 with hydraulic roller, so that narrows it down to one of three options. I too wanted to know some more, and looking at dyno results, I do like that near flat torque curve between 3k and 5k. Some combos tend to be more peaky than not, so... I want that cam #. Did they test the 276/300, the 284/309, or the 292/317? I wouldn't say the video is false, but it just seems typical of Holley: they present about 90%, then pack it in and go home - seems to happen alot for products they didn't develop from ground up. Did they forget to look at the box, or is some lawyer at Lunati damaging sales by being a complete pinhead? When companies get together the first thing lawyers do is reach for a NDA [non-disclosure agreement]. That's fine for a starting point, but it should be reviewed by whoever is actually running the company as things move forward - amend things as needed so people can function and it doesn't nuke the purpose of meeting in the first place.

[@kermets]

yes click bait BS, its meant to be a Cam test.....but they install heads....intake......carb.....valve springs......WTF

[@KingJT80]

@@kermets notice it's all holley/lunati stuff. i mean they dont even sell heads anymore. Id rather goo comp/RHS/edelbrock stuff myself working with one company group does save a lot of trouble but yes they should have tested all three cams in the one setup.

[@7REDDRACO7]

yeah the thing is i like the cam specs as it seems a no compromise with the 108* LSA and that should serve the 2.02" intake valve regardless of engine size, yet a 10.5:1 383 with AFR 195 heads and XR274 solid roller made 515HP@6000rpm, and [e-mail] a street grind. however it did very well with lower compression, not as good heads, pistons down in the hole, power is balanced perfectly with 468 TQ and 440HP street hydraulic roller its really good, the power shape i would watch out for tires losing traction up in the midrange under WOT.This hydraulic roller cam with 10.5 compression and AFR 195cc heads would get close or as good than the XR274 that is a solid roller that is my opinion. This is a great cam.

[@KingJT80]

@@7REDDRACO7 the biggest bootlegger with a 10.5:1 383 would do well with a 195- 200cc head and a weiand team g intake and an 850. Good street car with av2out 3500 stall

[@exploranator]

I like watching pretty well anything Richard does.

[@AeroSS87]

Came for the cam, stayed for the Brule/Nine Inch Nails mashup

[@sansui1968]

no specs in the video massive fail guys

[@GasMaskPaintballer]

Loving the NIN for the background music. Almost sounds as good as the engine!

[@jacobgibson8539]

Ditto. Two things in life that get be pumped up the most. A viscous engine screaming, and NIN. They're perfectly matched here!

[@jasonbarrett5709]

The dyno tests and build are in Super Chevy Jan 2015. Part # XXX12224HRK 0.554 lift 224/236 duration. Smallest version of the Bootlegger.

[@plainsabertooth7828]

+Jason Barrett odd should of used the bigger one.

[@dufus2273]

slightly better than stock

[@derekstewart8175]

Can't with the stock gm style hyd roller lifter setup, I've ran .355 lobe that's about max

[@orr89rocz]

Derek Stewart depends on the base circle and other tolerances. I have run .383 lobes in them just fine. Ls7 lifters

[@jjmccloud]

@@derekstewart8175 of course u can just need to either machine down guide bosses or use ls6 springs with comp retainers no problem getting. 580 lift without machining

[@MrCleblancjr]

I'm with XCSEDAN, which cam?

[@7REDDRACO7]

i would pit this against a comp XR282HR or XR288HR hydraulic roller anyday because of the correct lobe separation for the valve sizing , ignoring other LSA factors. I like that in a street cam, especially a street roller cam that retro fits. My opinion , you can't go wrong with the specs i mean choose your durations for your compression and heads. these heads aren't even AFR and the power is FAT. this is a sign of great efficiency and good power pumping through. Your car will have a softer clipping exhaust note and woolier sound with the 108* LSA. Its awesome for street but watch the torque hump and upper rpm wheel or tire spin anything over 400 hp starts working against street tires we all know. Perfect short block? wow your pistons are like O.O25" down the hole, i can see it from here.

[@gordocarbo]

Only thing I dont like about those types of cams is the fast ramp deal. Valve job, tips, etc just dont seem to hold up. Almost have to overspring them so they dont float upstairs. Never had good luck with them.

[@diablocustomschoker2058]

What Is the spects ti the Cam!? Lifting intake or exaust!! &HIW MUCH HORSE POWER PRIDUCE🤔‼️⁉️

[@4406bbldb]

You don't check/set cam centerline?

[@aaronford7124]

I like a little more disguise on my sales pitch...

[@joeyjenkins3868]

Nice thumbnail Mr. Artillery

[@heavychevy2289]

Are your lifters hardened steel

[@1957kwick]

No shit would have nice to hear it idle !

[@shoominati23]

aw, I thought you get the nice wooden box with them

[@kelly811]

Richard. You need some ground straps on the engine to the dyno. There is serious arcing between the exhaust collector and the engine. Maybe static electricity?

[@gordocarbo]

Good eye I didnt see that Think the sparks are from Richards brain working overtime Man if I owned an engine dyno and flowbench nobody would ever see me again.

[@Chevys_5593]

Hey everyone I’ve got a lunati bootlegger cam in my 355 and it sounds and runs amazing! Everyone at the car shows hears me coming before I get there and it’s got a mean hit to it. Motors 10:1 compression runs like a top. Highly recommend these cams

[@ironhorse127]

470 lb/ft torque is awesome for the street

[@ssdtrain1]

In a Go Kart yes..

[@maynardreed8374]

Holley heads intake and carb with a lunati cam which is also owned holley. Do you suppose holley is a sponsor.

[@roknroy1]

saw that

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Pretty obvious it's a paid advertisment. Should have used the big version of the cam with a Strip Dominator intake and another point of compression to make a more impressive number.

[@user-yd7gg6qe5h]

Comp bought Lunati

[@gordocarbo]

@@user-yd7gg6qe5h owns a bunch of other brands too. Wish the Ultradyne and all the Crane profile cams were still available through them

[@zAvAvAz]

It would have done way better with AFR 195cc comp cut heads, must have been some holley systemax II heads or something. May need more compression also, probably 10.5:1 would be good depending on the cam specifications

[@gordocarbo]

Yes systemax. Eliminator heads werent out yet when that Holley pkg was big.

[@XCSEDAN]

what cam was used in this test?

[@fredc8346]

lunati bootlegger. Don't ask more questions just follow this clown and buy one

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

The smallest one.

[@7REDDRACO7]

this thing howls 2:20 i would love to see one in a 355

[@Kelemen1]

anyone else see the electrical arch from the starter to the header?

[@NoferTrunions]

at what time? (if you put x:xx in the reply, it automatically becomes a link to jump to that point.)

[@Shane-Singleton]

Brule starts at 1:20

[@ricardomendez9855]

Wich version is this ? in a bbc Chevy, would it be 232/244... 535/535

[@SnakePliscan]

With your numbers a 454 with good heads would easily blow past 500 lbs pounds.

[@SnakePliscan]

Looking at the torque and horsepower pecks you can say a standard 223 degree can with around .550 lift and with 440 ft lbs at 3000 rpm, 112 degree lobe centers ? Compression lookin at those pistons under a 64cc heads roughly 10:1 .....Lunati grinds a shit ton of duration into the exhaust side of their cams which is good for top end but that's not what you need on the street, makes nice dyno #"s tho.....

[@flinch622]

Since you bring up exhaust... I would very much like to see what this [I think the *224HR] cam does ground single pattern. But... ramp might be a touch aggressive for exhaust service on the street, at 26 degrees [adv to 0.050"] - Lunati can advise better than I can, but I expect 1.6 rockers would be avoided . Assuming I am right about which of the 3 offerings is tested here, that would be 276 adv/224 @ 0.050". I like headers any car I can fit them in, and with a little light head work, the need to use duration to crutch for exhaust system handicaps becomes muted - the throat of most exhaust ports can be opened 2% with minimal problems. Btw, note all the bootlegger HR offerings are 108 lsa - I like carburetors, so its all good.

[@SnakePliscan]

@@flinch622 Yeah they are playing with 383 cubes here , + free flowing aftermarket heads with okay compression (a D-dish woulda been better), so you could expect some serious power capability. 12* of extra duration on the exhaust seems really excessive, i think torque peak could have been closer to 500 if they had of cut that extra exhaust duration in half. The ICL is 104* so they have ground in 2* advance to try and pick up bottom end. The philosophy at Lunati must be that once the piston has done the majority of it's work going down the bore now let's spend the rest of the time on scavenging ... i'm not sure that's helping bottom end or overall power. I would like to see BSFC #"s per horsepower to see if they are wasting fuel compared to a shorter exhaust duration cam ? My gut says i would never run this cam in any engine.

[@maximillianopayan9152]

WHAT ENGINE IS THAT IN THE VIDEO THAT MADE 440 WITH ALL THAT

[@SnakePliscan]

Its a GM HT 383 short block assy, normally there sold with Vortec heads and a mild cam.

[@MassageWithKlay]

being a short block, would have had it's own cam in it .. would have been a better sale to do the base test first with the crate cam, then do the upgrade cam .. with specs on everything as well as doing things like idle, throttle response and then full peak.

[@SnakePliscan]

Makes you wonder if they are trying to hide that the Bootlegger doesn't make much more torque than the stock cam down low ?

[@matthewgraham2129]

@SnakePliscan2 or maybe it was Friday afternoon and this was the last test of the day

[@Scubasteve22]

I agree with jed. Which bootlegger was it? Just so you know, don't base the performance potential of the cam or lack of, on those holley systemax heads. They suck. I would put vortecs on before those overated beer cans.

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Those Holley heads flowed about as much as a stock Vortec. Pretty shitty for an aftermarket aluminum head. Don't think they sold many.

[@gordocarbo]

Id use the Holleys vortecs are "ok" but way overrated. Base bootlegger look at the torque curve.

[@NoBody-ht1oh]

Are you the monopoly guy?

[@patricklandon8399]

What kind of fist gear u use?

[@gordocarbo]

THere are no gear changes on an engine dyno.

[@markpushinsky5027]

the power rating is obviously going to drop do to no fan is attached to the pump that has a power draw. prefer fan clutches over fixed or flex fans . others like electric fans. prefer mechanical for reliability.

[@gordocarbo]

Same...going back to mechanical with an electric as a fail safe/backup for real hot days Cant stand the constant rise/fall temps with the electric..they suck in my opinion at least most aftermarkets OEM different story

[@juliebutcher3579]

So whats that 300hp at the wheels?

[@spoonfixer]

Uh probably closer to 400whp.

[@portonathanial]

subtract 15% for manual transmission or 25% for automatic without locking stall

[@Chevron.Muskoka]

Julie Butcher about 400awhp. pretty mild for a 383 but likely has a healthy idle and street manners

[@NoferTrunions]

How about 20-50 HP LESS due to open Headers?

[@gordocarbo]

@@NoferTrunions It will run bettter with a well thought out full exhaust. Wont lose 50hp

[@stevencaskey9440]

With cams on the bootlegger brand we're made for my 429 Big Block:(

[@roknroy1]

440hp with open headers and no belt, probably about 415 in car

[@roknroy1]

good power for very streetable cam

[@jennifermarshall8218]

didn't learn a damn thing.

[@7REDDRACO7]

its a perfect cam for a no compromise street performing cam with the 108* Lobe Separation Angle with tight cam specs, there is not a better 'kind of cam' except for what matches your heads precisely with a little more with overlap to bring in more, this is this cam's formula, so do i recommend , Yes as long as the cam is durable and the roller lifters durable for daily driving, and the springs are the correct material in beehive mode, and as long as the valves are 2.02" or 2.05", 2.08" i would step down to 106* LSA and a smaller valve like 2" or 1.94" i would do 109* or 110* LSA. You could get comp cams XR282HR or XR288HR they are in the same league, like the voodoo line as well as the cams were all designed by ultradyne harold premiere cam designer of all modern cam efficiencies and success. The trick is how aggressive can you make a street lobe and still survive on the street for greater efficiency and fuel economy potential and power potential, these are all valued by us street machiners. If its a trailer Queen the only reason for using these type cams are durability over RACE only cams that won't last all that long. less aggressive lobes tend to last longer given similar material properties. with Xtreme energy, dual energy, powermax, voodoo, bootlegger, thumpR , these lines are cutting edge street technology, can't go wrong with these cams if you want a driver slash winner. If your looking for a track only winning car, these cams could be used depending what racing and competitive behaviors, however an all out high end race car is going to suffer from using these street friendly camshafts when the others are way up farther in the rpm band. These are not 8000+ rpm cams. But as a result of their fine balance are competitive in race applications with the compression range and rpm range they are in.

[@7REDDRACO7]

exactly know what you mean, the corporate and industry spends millions on force fed commercials all day, and now this disturbing our true education and fun and what makes the internet great, they'll destroy it people, just like they did tv. if they want to spend on commercials create channels of commercials only, remove them from our content on tv and internet, it is illegal to make pop ups come on my computer for merely being connected to internet. They should do away with the dang commercials , throw it in the fire. We know how we want our internet, we don't need them, they water down the experience like beer and make everything luke warm , pungent and corrosive, not steamy hot, or icy cool, just BLAH. thats what we are all saying and we must boycott all the greed driven kaka that this is an example of. don't turn our youtube into tv or we'll kick it to the kurb. lets organize on websites and get the word out to stop these addicted to money on a pedestal worshiping hotshots, i guarantee you its the bizarre work of ridiculous adolescent angels with chips on their shoulders and the rich whom serve them without the creator, we shall make them all serve us, the creator again. peace jenn jenn.

[@ssdtrain1]

hahaha.. I KNOW!! LSA?, Grind?...

[@user-ge2qn6gp4o]

Gave us no specs on the short block, cam, or anything else. Makes this pretty much useless.

[@SnakePliscan]

@@7REDDRACO7 Your response is kind of a rant , so what's the rationale behind Lunati grinding in so much exhaust duration , rant about that !

[@bigolfordf1502]

Man I hate it when people put a motor on the dyno with a electric water pump what should be done is how it would be in the car with all the accessories and give a real number

[@booperry1719]

Don't know how the engine got running without your help but I guess talking take's up all your time

[@weskirkland5850]

2:57 Whats the idle sound like? I'm buying this solely based off the idle sound. The point of the cam like the thumpr is its slow idle. If you don't show its slow idle the video is pointless. We can get better cams with more power not worrying about idle. This ones different. okay it made said amount of power. How's it idle? Hows it idle? Hows its idle sound?

[@gordocarbo]

Why buy a cam based off an internet vid? These are similar in theory to the thumpr 2 brands owned by the same investment group far as I know. Old Harold B would be turning in his grave lol

[@gordocarbo]

NEVER buy a cam based off of how the idle sounds, dude that makes NO sense at all. Any perf cam is gonna sound good so get the proper one for your car so its not a pooch.

[@lordsauto]

Didn't hear anything

[@cmscms123456]

440 hp 470 torque save you time from watching

[@hotrodray6802]

That's not a street motor test. It's a wide open throttle pull for power. Exhaust system, intake filters.... Simple things knock the shit out of Dyno motors Driveability or bragging rights ?

[@MrComanche87]

One big advertisement.

[@RGCJ8763]

I built a 383 Chevy 7 years ago with vortec heads I pocket ported and 2.02/1.60 the valves. Installed a hyd.roller comp 280 magnum cam and customers edelbrock performer and edelbrock 600 carb. It dynod 437hp and 479#/ft. So I'm not impressed with these numbers and these parts in this video

[@SnakePliscan]

Your single pattern cam setup made some serious power !

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Those Holley heads suck and it has low compression. Piston probably .030 in the hole with a .040 thick head gasket, dished pistons. Plus it's the smallest version of that cam. The big one is way better.

[@jedwebster8976]

I just wanna follow up on why I and I’m sure many others are perturbed by this video. We want unbiased information. We want to learn and we need truth to do that. There is no truth or education available in this video, just a paid salesman taking advantage of Westech and substituting the valuable info we usually get with a poorly masked sales pitch. I’m especially erked and taking time to write because I have seen this trend growing on KZbin. I think we ought to boycott those who use these tactics, but it’s hard to know before you click. Extremely frustrating.

[@gordocarbo]

Watch the video and read before asking redundant questions...or google . If you dont like watch something else. Crybabies I swear RIchard...sure would like to find another 300-36 like the one in the vid. Loaned it out never saw it again

[@prestonrieger8410]

Pretty weak for an aluminum headed 383. 105-106* lsa would have pumped up the torque a bit.

[@dufus2273]

pulling my lunati cam as we speak. going to a comp cam. 398 sbf. lunati was a joke

[@SnakePliscan]

Which Comp did u go with and did u get the difference u were looking for ?

[@dufus2273]

@@SnakePliscan comp xtreme 427-?-?. forgot the numbers

[@luckyPiston]

@@dufus2273 So the Comp cam made a noticeable difference ?

[@dufus2273]

@@luckyPiston did on my engine

[@ericabercrombie6780]

Engine, not "motor."

[@samspade4050]

Engine not motor you say . Then what is a motor mount and motor oil ?

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Bob Glidden called his engines " motors", what a fuckin idiot he was....

[@thereluctantgearhead4544]

Guess you never heard of a motorcycle either. They aren't electric.

[@mrcwoodworks4523]

Pointless video we didn’t even hear it

[@forwarddrive4066]

This video is nothing but advertisement.👎