Gottlieb's "Snap Target" Invention - Complex Schematic Repair Of A 1966 Mayfair Pinball Machine

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[@miniskunk]

Someone just posted in my small town town they have a free non working Mayfair table today. I have watched enough of your repair videos that I am inspired to follow your methods to try and repair this myself if I can claim it before someone else does!. You really are a great teacher and I am sure I can make it work with a bit of patience!

[@kenlanier2131]

Ronnie, Its amazing that you have the patience to figure out electromechanical issues after others have had the hands on it. And with limited documentation. Well done!

[@LyonsArcade]

We try to get 'em going again, they just need a little help

[@gorillaau]

​@@LyonsArcade Some poking, prodding and perhaps some dielectric grease.

[@earlbrooks3782]

I was minted in 65 . Some of my absolute best summer holiday memories are games just like that. The fun fair at the beach ! Very cool my friend 😎 🇨🇦

[@ardenofrexida4839]

Thanks for sharing your thought process as you go through these machines. Got to love EM pinball machines!!

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you for watching TAS!

[@stevenmoffitt1643]

I learned a lot about reading pinball schematics.....Thanx!

[@simondempsey1]

Wow, how you worked that out was amazing, schematics, schematics, C'mon people we knew Ron wouls fix it.

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you Simon, we appreciate you watching buddy!

[@timbober1]

You have me hooked. I played electromechanical games when I was a kid, I never appreciated the people that built them or kept them working. I just enjoyed playing them. I was lucky to have been around when the Excelsior amusement park in Minnesota was still open. They had an arcade with some really old games. I’m sure it opened in the 30s. I latter became friends with guys that worked the arcade. They knew all the tricks to get free games and would sell them to the rubes from Minneaplis visiting the arcade. I know they had games that you described with only lights and holes in the play field. Of course I didn’t have any interest in them, I was a dumb kid. The park, now replaced by condos on Lake Minnetonka, was rife with corruption, my wife’s parents wouldn’t allow her or her sisters to even go to Excelsior. They did anyway, I still have friends that have lived in Excelsior their whole lives. A friend and I used to call it magnet city. There is an amusement park of the same vintage on Lake Okoboji (beautiful lake) I looked it up it opened in the 20s and apparently have a museum. I bet they have some old “amusements”. Thank you taking the time to record your content.

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you for watching Tim! I know what you mean by 'lost' amusement parks, there was one near downtown Charlotte where I live here, that most people aren't even aware existed. It was around back in the 1920's, they eventually tore it down and built warehouses over the property, there was a man made lake and everything that has all been removed.

[@yesitreallyisme]

Nice problem solving yet again Ronnie, and yes we do care also.

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you for watching yesitreallyisme!

[@jumpingjack2605]

Great troubleshooting as always Ron

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you Mr. Jumping Jack!

[@davidg-m1768]

Another great video - so useful seeing you work through problems systematically and not just providing the correct answer once you’ve figured it out. It’s not often one and done working through schematics.

[@LyonsArcade]

We try to do as much of that as we can but the videos get lonnnnnnnng!

[@davidg-m1768]

Haha - you say that likes it’s a bad thing, let them skip! 😂 seriously though you seem to find a good balance.

[@BruceChesebrough-kr2xo]

Joe - you are a genius. I actually have this exact machine and it wouldn't turn on. Was able to fix it after watching your video. Thank you so much!

[@NipkowDisk]

Extraordinary diagnosis and repair- way to go!!

[@JeffZ-k9m]

Mayfair is my favorite game. I had one as a kid and sold it. I bought another one about 7 years ago because I missed playing it so much. It is a classic!!

[@DeadKoby]

That's a very complex game for its time. I can understand why the schematic would be quite the adventure.

[@gorillaau]

And you still need to keep a wary eye open for errors in the schematics. It does looks like fun game to play, I'm not totally sold on the mechanism in the centre where the centre drain would otherwise be found. But willing to have a look at it all the same. Take my quarter!

[@richrootes]

Fabulous - thank you

[@Nunya_Bidnez]

Ron and Joe always get the best EM thing a ma jiggers

[@LyonsArcade]

We got a bunch of em!

[@johnstrzykalski3462]

Great video. Regarding the cheat/bounce switches it goes as follows: Bounce switch located on motor board N/C Shut/Off kick switch located on motor board N/C Anti Cheat switch on coin door N/C Tilt switch under playfield N/O

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you John!

[@Bob-sd7qr]

Thanks for another great video Ronnie! I can't believe what great shape that playfield is in. Can't wait to see it finished.

[@LyonsArcade]

Coming soon to a youtube channel near you :)

[@taylorsworld]

My birthday today in the UK keep up the good work m8

[@LyonsArcade]

Happy Birthday Taylor, we've been partying all day in your honor!

[@taylorsworld]

@@LyonsArcade thank you i hope to party on your birthday to lol

[@paulclarke7571]

I just marvel at the fact that someone figured out how to design this machine in the first place. Just another world of thinking from the one I live in.

[@LyonsArcade]

It was cumalative, they started out just making a lightbulb come on, then the next machine had a lightbulb that turns off, then the next machine had a bell that rang, then they ended up here :)

[@noneofyourbusiness4622]

My "Queen of Diamonds" had been sitting in the garage apart for 11 years. I put it together and it started immediately. Two items wouldn't work. After about 10 hours of unsuccessful attempts I just started playing it. About 25 games into the session everything started working as designed. The DG relays cleaned themselves as they were designed to do. Gottliebs are the best by far.

[@LyonsArcade]

People don't believe that's true, but it absolutely is. The machines want to be played, they will absolutely adjust themselves. Thanks for watching Noneofyourbusiness, have fun with that one!

[@daleschulz7360]

I am about to acquire a Queen of Diamonds from a friend that is moving and does not have room for it in his new house. I worked on it for him last year and got it working pretty good. Issue I have to address is the warped plastics on the play field. The upper ones interfere with the movement of the card targets. Solution has been to use washers on the fasteners as spacers, but that has been problematic. Solution is new plastics that are hard to find. Plan B is to flatten the existing ones. Does your card wheel spin freely?

[@Nunya_Bidnez]

I mean they do be good at what they do so I get it. This is an Awesome Machine. I love the oldies

[@LyonsArcade]

I like how classy it is

[@irieman442]

That center shooter is really cool. If you get lucky you can really rack up the points!

[@LyonsArcade]

Yeah it's an interesting idea

[@markjackson1444]

Great work Ronnie. …the brass plating on the metal parts really preserves the metal. Just one reason why Gottlieb’s of this period are top shelf. …really enjoying this series.

[@russellpayne4950]

I have seen one of them Moving Bonus targets before I believe the ends of the switches had them plastic little spacers to make up the distance between the switch and target love the videos keep up the great work and thank you for all the knowledge you give

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you Russell!!

[@zyxxy]

Respect for spending so much time on getting this pinball machine working Ron. I can't believe that this particular machine is worth very much more than the repair costs (if that.) I think it would have just been parted out or sold as spares/scrapped if not for you. p.s. Franken-flippers! (shudder)

[@LyonsArcade]

Yeah i'm not a fan of the bigger flippers, yuck! These are my favorite type of pinball machines, the ones other people don't really appreciate. We're in a situation where we can sell games like this that collectors don't really like, to home users who will enjoy playing them. This particular one though of course already belonged to a customer, they're putting it back in their house to play.

[@scottgm321]

I wonder what the creators thought of computer chips doing all that stuff. Pretty amazing they figured all that switching and wiring out.

[@LyonsArcade]

They were tech guys so they probably loved it when computer chips came out!

[@AvengerII]

Solid-state, digital is more reliable than analog generally. The problem with digital is that it changes and evolves over time meaning standards become incompatible with new tech unless the new tech has backwards compatibility engineered into it. We have a ton of file standards for digital that are still supported but just as many video codecs that have been discontinued. Those of us who have been around long enough on the web (25+ years) probably have old videos that don't play on modern machines! OTOH, things like JPEG and MP3 are still relevant because they're ultra-popular format standards and the companies KNOW they'll torque off too many customers if they discontinue support for these file formats!!!! Analog standards and electrical-mechanical stay more constant. If you take the time to learn, an old machine doesn't have to be decommissioned during your lifetime as long you can find old parts OR modify existing hardware to keep it running. Digital obsolence and lack of backwards compatibility of new hardware with older software programs is the greater issue. The obsolence of older software is generally deliberate. Companies like MS, Adobe, and Apple WANT to force you to play for the new versions of their old operating systems and programs like Photoshop.

[@scottbrady7499]

cleaner inside than many newer games that arrive for service. so much crammed inside of this to provide everything that does stuff

[@LyonsArcade]

Yeah this one wants to survive!

[@MrButtonpresser]

1966. I was still too short to play that one. She's a beaut.

[@markwhitfield5412]

love the info and video, can you please muffle the bell. I need it loud enough to hear you but the bell wakes my neighbors who live 30 miles away.

[@robertlipsett2535]

dang that was complicated scoring for that time. good finding that switch that was too tight, must have taken awhile to find it. I would have used heat shrink for the shocking part only because the electrical tape ages and the glue get gooey as it ages

[@jasonsteverson4609]

Hey Ron!!

[@MRNBricks]

That game with the bells and the bonus award is obnoxiously loud. I need to dig mine out and fix it to aggravate my wife. 👍🏼

[@randycarter2001]

The bonus units count down to zero. Then they must be set back to one at the end of bonus scoring. Once they are at one they are done scoring and stop the motor. Switch motor 1A trips at the end of the score motor cycle.

[@justlookin20101]

Have you got that moving target to switch sides?

[@waynegram8907]

JOE, What is the theory behind how those Gottlieb Snap Target work? I'm not sure how they are different than a pop bumper or drop down targets. What does a "delay relay" look like because you didn't show what a delay relay looks like or why do they want to Delay the score motor?

[@Cool_Retro]

Definitely needs the missing post and 2" flippers

[@lileveretteyoakumiii]

Yodelayheehoo

[@LyonsArcade]

Hello Lil Everette!

[@moboutmen]

I'm surprised by the size of the flippers. Large for such an esrly game, no?

[@AllanSitte]

So... what's wrong with the schematics? It's broke. 🤣

[@LyonsArcade]

I see a recurring theme here

[@AllanSitte]

@@LyonsArcade 😁👍

[@gorillaau]

Please don't blame Joe for that one. The other fault reports, maybe.

[@pcachu]

And the source of all your problems is: Gravity! Stupid gravity, always pulling objects with mass together.

[@LyonsArcade]

Gravity and all of it's constants

[@justlookin20101]

Sorry do worry about my last comment my bad

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you for watching buddy, yes we got it going!

[@justlookin20101]

@@LyonsArcade with the switch that was done by another tech and the one you put in,with that era machine would the original switches had the nylon stand offs like the ones on the A1 on the motor ? Just a guess

[@lothianmcadam1]

Ron'yee... When are you going to fix that FUNHOUSE that you have? You keep teasing it in every other video by showing it out of focus, in the background, against a wall, inside outside upside down.