M855 Greentip vs AR500 steel targets

[@marvinwilliamson811]

Green tip isn't designed to penetrate hardened steel. It's designed to defeat cover like cinder blocks and mild or soft steel. From my research.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

Well I'm glad. Because I want to put off buying more targets.

[@hadaeinuf_of_this_shit3940]

It punches right through mild steel

[@terrybrown5402]

They are designed to defeat light armor. Such as mild steel up to 1/2 inch thick. Maybe 3/4 inch thick but no guarantee. But hardened steel they will not penetrate. They are meant to take out small vehicles and their occupants inside. Or perhaps to bust through cynder block walls someone is hiding behind.

[@foad-esad]

I've seen 5.56 62gr Green Tip punch holes in Level III body armor.

[@weslegna]

Precisely. Soft targets will be behind some sort of cover.. keeps the ballistic moving in its desired directional path. Most injuries are enough to incapacitate.. especially those sustained from a fast moving projectile.

[@ghostsofwargow2511]

What is with everyone telling this guy to run and put down the burgers? I get he is overweight and he should concentrate on his health more, but just because he’s shooting at a gun range doesn’t mean he has to be in shape. There’s nothing wrong with encouragement and trying to help him, but insulting him or belittling him doesn’t help. I went from 250 pounds to 180, now I’m building muscle and in great shape, I did it on my own willpower and some encouragement, but people belittling me and saying crap like that, didn’t help me. All I’m saying is, guys, have some manners. But good video bud, do it when you can and have some time, not because people are trying to make you feel down about yourself. They don’t live your life. Just cut out some junk food like soda and desert, and do a bit of cardio once or twice a week when you can, the pounds will fall off. And great shooting. I’ll sub.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

I was actually getting back into running. Also because I wanted to. Not because of this video. I was running my usual route. But I got a new job. So I don't have time. I'm on my feet all day now. I'm tired when I get home. I look at it this way. I got barricades and steel. I also got a place to shoot. I also been to multiple firearms training schools and firms. I may not be some kind of classified operator. But It's more than most people have. I am ahead of the curve. I could possibly stand to get into airsoft to face off against opponents or some force on force Sim training. But all things in good time.

[@meh6953]

Thank you for the informative video my friend. Just finished my AR build a few months ago. Time to start stocking up on ammo.

[@tireballastserviceofflorid7771]

Had the opertunity to shoot some aac sabre black tip in 300 blackout. It did 3 times as much damage to my ar500 target as the M855 did. Dug out a huge cavity at 50 yards through a 10.5 inch barrel. I had to double-check to make sure they were no AP rounds.

[@happysanchezjr.9162]

Excellent video.

[@thomasmccormick5891]

Did you sel censor the word ar500?????????? Wow

[@cosmiccharlie8294]

I had some IMI ammo that left little rods in my AR500 targets at 200 yards. Must have got some AP in that batch.

[@sicktsiboy]

Nice job getting out there and training! Specially with ur gear on! If you got it use it make it work, it may save ur life one day. Godbless.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

Yeah I might get some training tourniquets and work with opening the ifak under stress.

[@willypp13]

@@lowtiertactical7701 how about physical training?

[@lowtiertactical7701]

I want to start running again. @@willypp13

[@KJ-ym1qg]

20inch guns can defeat level 3 plus Armour with the right round. I would like to see the new m855a1 in a 20inch gun go against that steel.

[@johnduncan6379]

What about green tip 5.56 in a 16 inch

[@lowtiertactical7701]

@@johnduncan6379 this was done with a 16”.

[@JT-yl7lk]

Long story short, 24 in barrels are what you want for armor passage.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

@@JT-yl7lk next time I’ll take my 24 out.

[@JT-yl7lk]

@@lowtiertactical7701 heck yeah! Great video bro! I’d love to see that.

[@ChutneyGames]

Thats funny, Redditors like to claim they punched right through their steel 😂 but they never post video evidence

[@lowtiertactical7701]

I still cant figure out Reddit.

[@roundtracker]

Nice shooting! Thanks for the video!

[@galaxyknuckles9000]

Interesting, I get more deformation from 147 308 at 50-100 yards

[@1madmaxx80]

Green tips are *light* "armor" piercing. IE: barriers & vehicles. They aren't designed to defeat body armor.

[@voxpopuli905]

Did ya notice the brass is Lake City? Pretty sure the military rotated out their old stockpiles and they got scooped up and packaged by Winchester.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

I didn't notice. I also didn't notice a winchester or wcc. But I'll look next time I dip into it.

[@voxpopuli905]

@@lowtiertactical7701 I was at my local shop last fall and came across some M855. Actually they didn’t even indicate that designation they simply printed 62gr fmbt and that’s it. It was an off brand I never heard of manufactured in turkey. So I grabbed 100rds of it and did some testing. The tip was not green, but it was able to lift off the table with a magnet. So it definitely had the steel tip. And the brass was annealed with sealed primers just like any other high quality M855. It’s good stuff. If ya see some grab all of it

[@lowtiertactical7701]

I just looked. They say L.C.

[@voxpopuli905]

@@lowtiertactical7701 ok this is good. This tells me I could be correct in assuming it’s milsurp. Ya know they’ve developed a much better round now that actually performs the same way the original green tip was intended. It fell short mostly cuz they didn’t manufacture it correctly.but the new M855A1 apparently is pretty awesome.

[@luke8222]

I got some a few days ago and they say LC. Winchester valor 125 box

[@rbwood1978ify]

What thickness is your target?

[@FixieDanger]

What thickness steel are you using?

[@Firefox13A]

Pretty good camera to pick up the debris coming off the target with each hit.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

It’s actually a Sony RXII. I forgot my SD card for the larger camera that day . But it’s 4K with zeiss glass.

[@Andarath69]

Are green tips fine for the range? My LGS had some on sale, so I picked up a few 20 round boxes. Would be in a 16in AR.

[@weslegna]

Only in door

[@jamesegsmith]

Most indoor ranges will not let you shoot it.

[@StryderK]

@@jamesegsmithonly very few ranges allow you to shoot M855. My local range allow it since they have a backstop that can handle even a .50 cal armor piercer! But the next four ranges? Nope! Only M193.

[@jamesegsmith]

@StryderK Yeah, in my experience, only the outdoor ranges shooting into dirt hills. Unfortunately I gotta drive an hour for that or join a private club which I might break down and do

[@rsecosky]

Why didn't you walk the camera around to look/show the backside of the plate?

[@lowtiertactical7701]

Because I didn’t want to. But later some different rounds that were reloads actually created a pretty righteous divot in the steel. During a training session. I was surprised. It was a mix of hot reloads with some soft noses and hornadys.

[@Koj-Yog.Paj-Hlwb.Quav-Xwb]

That's all I mostly buy winchester 62gr m855 Green tip and 2nd is the 55gr m193 I got a colt m16a1 clone retro

[@bigchevy3504]

It's all in the "angle of the dangle." I understand that it is not safe to shoot it strait on but it would make a difference in the damage done for sure. I use to slice clean holes through steel car parts like brake drums with a 30-30. 5.56 is going much faster.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

Yeah good question. But I kept it at a angle to deflect the rounds down. I just wanted to see if it would tear recreational targets up from casual use.

[@terrybrown5402]

What size is your chest protector

[@lowtiertactical7701]

I don’t know? Maybe the size if a level 4 plate?

[@deltasource56]

@@lowtiertactical7701 cool ill say it since he wont your fat so what if you know how to run a gun when you cant walk a mile..

[@lowtiertactical7701]

@@deltasource56 My weight situation kind of waxes and wains. I usually start running in the fall with the weather cooling. Also this did have a wider angle setting on the camera. So I did maybe look a bit larger?

[@brianj123458]

What about xm193?

[@lowtiertactical7701]

I don’t know.

[@brianj123458]

@@lowtiertactical7701 ok thank you ive always heard xm193 was the plate killer but not sure

[@raulsalazar6800]

Can I get info on your plate carrier or where you got it

[@lowtiertactical7701]

Yes BDS. I did a video on it actually.

[@raulsalazar6800]

@@lowtiertactical7701 thank you appreciate the feedback 🙏

[@johnnydroptopfc3s836]

He was reluctant meanwhile im blasting my targets to hell with these greentips. Perfectly fine for me

[@davidny4638]

Nice video, thank you

[@skookapalooza2016]

Like you said, I wouldn't do that all day. Over time, it would probably reduce the lifespan of the plates, noticeably. By way, which plate carrier is that and do you like it? I love the fact that you have no shame in rockin' your size XXXL body armor. Hey, maybe there's hope for me. These days...lean & mean...well, let's just say that hasn't applied to me in awhile. Anyway, seeing you in battle rattle makes me say: 'MURICA!!! The haters be damned! We the People ARE THE MILITIA!!! 🇺🇸

[@jackstecker5796]

Who did you blow to find ammo? Asking for a friend.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

The ffl happened to have it when I walked in one day. But it’s out there. Prices are a bit high. But it’s out there.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

I’m shooting even more of it in my newest video. I’ll also be shooting more after that.

[@Peace.Officer]

Nice video! What plate carrier are you running??? Thanks!

[@lowtiertactical7701]

BDS in OD green. Level 4 ceramics in the front and back. AR500 level 3 with anti Spaulding on the sides. I got a set of RMA level 4s but never tried them. I got another video just on the vest and what’s on it with some more range time. I think I called it stupid civilian larps.

[@Peace.Officer]

@@lowtiertactical7701 thank you sir!

[@jcgardner5852]

Use 20 inch barrel it will tear up steel a 16 reduces effectiveness to that of 55gr fmj

[@lowtiertactical7701]

I have a video. Didn’t do anything. For whatever reason. This one gets the most views,

[@jorgesolis9468]

200 fps difference maybe 100 that's about it

[@jcgardner5852]

@@jorgesolis9468 yes but yhst is difference between penetration and not. Also means a bit further in stable flight.

[@jorgesolis9468]

@@jcgardner5852 penetration in barriers yes but not soft targets and yeah that can make a difference but considering the fact that at 500 users 5.56 only has as much energy as 9mm I don't see why bother with anything past that

[@jcgardner5852]

@@jorgesolis9468 true any 5.56 is really only a reliable 200 meter coyote round. But it will surprise you just how far away it can inflict a deadly hit/penetration with practice and skill it can reach further than 500.

[@mrshort2379]

I have noticed allot of places are just painting on green tips on 62grn 5.56 and .223's and not actually using steel core's or inserts. everybody just assumes it is an actual green tip if it is painted green

[@evanburris2836]

You need to do the magnet test before you leave the store

[@FirstLast-vl1uy]

Can green tips penetrate level 2 armor?

[@lowtiertactical7701]

I wouldn’t know off the top of my head. I would consult NICJ.

[@voxpopuli905]

Yes.

[@voxpopuli905]

The real question is, will M855 penetrate the steel…. And a avocado 🥑 lol

[@uainttheone]

How about level 4 plates!?

[@SojournerNX]

Yeah, green tips can penetrate level IIA, II and IIIA. I have heard in certain circles that it will penetrate substandard AR500 armor, but I haven't seen proof myself.

[@lancegetty7213]

Why do people wear plate carriers at the range? Are you practicing reloads for home defense and wearing your plate carrier around the house 24/7? I've never understood the need to wear a plate carrier at the range.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

Well a long time ago I’d wear one when I mowed the lawn. Just so I could get used to the weight. I’d put a jacket over it so the neighbors wouldn’t judge. Isn’t that what the newer generations are about? Not judging?

[@lancegetty7213]

@Low Tier Tactical my point is unless your wearing a plate carrier 24/7 at home isn't it useless? Are you really going to think...."shit! Someone's shooting at me/breaking into my house! Let me go put on my plate vest, grab my gun, then I'll go check it out." Makes no sense to me in a real emergency situation. Am I missing something besides the wanting to wear one because someone thinks it's cool?

[@lowtiertactical7701]

@@lancegetty7213 yes I often thought about that. I do actually keep it handy. But I wouldn’t go outside the home in that type of situation. I would call police. But the best would keep me out of the hospital hopefully. Provided I was able to get it on.

[@orientalornamental]

Some hilarious takes on what M855 is 'intended' or 'designed' to do in the comments. As for why it was adopted by NATO (SS109) in the 1977-1980 trials, it was due to concerns on MG effectiveness, and the primary difference was that SS109 could penetrate a soviet pot helmet at 600 yards while M193 cannot. M855 is heavier and retains energy over longer distances. It has no inherent AP effect. A mild steel core is only marginally (if even, arguably worse) at AP than a lead core.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

I’m just surprised it got so many views.

[@JohnDoe-mt8rf]

100yd or less try 55gr fmj with a 20" barrel it will

[@lowtiertactical7701]

This was 50 yards.

[@JohnDoe-mt8rf]

@@lowtiertactical7701 if you can try a 20" ar with 55gr fmj it should put a hole in it. 50yards and 100yards. I kind of like 55gr and 62gr out of a 20"ar 1/9 twist. One of my favorite. Love the video keep them coming.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

@@JohnDoe-mt8rf I got a 20" 1 in 9. Its in my molle vest video. I take it out next time.

[@shacklord]

kevlar yes... AR500 no.

[@danpiunno4757]

he don't miss a cheeseburger happy meal

[@johnnyb8629]

yea I don't think they make plate carriers for a size 44 waist

[@ogworker72]

Thanks for the video, just picked some up today on a whim. Never mind these idiots in the comments, if they weren't cornholing their grandmother's they would never know a woman's touch. Lol

[@lowtiertactical7701]

I don’t worry about them. I keep telling them. I got steel. I got a range. I got barricades and I’m fine.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

Also I picked some up on the way home myself. Earmarked for content training / content creation.

[@jonanthanenriquez8488]

Wearing a kit while having a gut that sticks out is kinda an oxymoron don’t you think?

[@lowtiertactical7701]

No and also I have a kit to wear.

[@Getyomoneyupnotyofunny]

Nope already tried

[@jdsolberg7613]

Getting a little seasick.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

I could stand to get a stabilization gimble.

[@xianshi8896]

if you could , get youself 55 grain green tip. muzzle velocity is faster. couple hundreds ft/second makes huge difference on impact

[@lowtiertactical7701]

Thanks but I’m wanting to shoot for practice. I’m not trying to bore a hole in the targets.

[@jerichobaker5106]

Is that a carrier with no plates? lol what’s the point…?

[@lowtiertactical7701]

It has plates. So what’s the point of the comment?

[@jerichobaker5106]

@@lowtiertactical7701 but why wear it while just playing at the range…?

[@lowtiertactical7701]

@@jerichobaker5106 ok then I'll wear it everyday all day for the rest of my life. Happy now?

[@SojournerNX]

@Jericho You always train like you plan to fight. Armor can change your rifle zero, can restrict breathing under duress, and limit mobility. If you plan to wear it in a fight, you darn well better be training in it.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

@@SojournerNX I wore it during my last carbine class. I found that I actually couldn't lift up from a supine position. A instructor lifted me to shoot. Because there was no bend in the armor. So I learned I have to adapt something incase I get layed out on the ground. Stuff like that comes with wearing and training on a regular basis. It was pretty uncomfortable. Oher guys were doing was I was doing. We were positioning our posture to cope with the aching. But I will get used to it in time. I need to work with the ifak more. I did a video on the vest.

[@untergleetongouten-globin150]

M855 is about the shittiest ammo you can use. That being said, did you use a Yukon Gold or a Russet potato to record this video?

[@lowtiertactical7701]

I used a Canon XF 705.

[@eddiearchuleta615]

M193 damages my ar500 m855green tips don’t do anything to it now m855a1 destroys steel

[@Jtoob-z5n]

Vest barely fits him. Cool vid though.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

Know what else barely fits? All that ammo I got into the ammo cans, yeah?

[@jimmyjet3633]

Why is this dork wearing a vest at the range?

[@lowtiertactical7701]

Why? Because I have a vest to wear. That’s why.

[@jimmyjet3633]

@@lowtiertactical7701 Ahhh playing ARMY man I see.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

@@jimmyjet3633 whatever?

[@chrisbrown-jr1jm]

That's cool you have your gear on, go run 1mile no rush just don't stop running then start shooting.. It will help you cardio is king.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

I was running again. At one point I was running 3 miles or more a night. But I stopped for a long time. Then I was getting back into it. But I started a new job. So I’m on my feet all day. I might try again later.

[@chrisbrown-jr1jm]

@@lowtiertactical7701 without your health you will have no job brotha priority..💪

[@lowtiertactical7701]

@@chrisbrown-jr1jm eventually when I get used to it. I’ll start again.

[@yuvgotubekidding]

How not to paint. 😆

[@Indict_the_right]

Meal team six

[@lowtiertactical7701]

Sorry I think that's the second meal team six comment that's on here. So I'm going to have to remove it. Only one is allowed. No I'm joking guy. Remember what I say at the end of my videos "Don't worry about the haters. Let the haters worry about you".

[@happysanchezjr.9162]

Something tells me you are a punk in the real world

[@333Kdigital]

I'm leaving this comment off the bat. Post c word ammo is not what pre c word ammo is

[@lowtiertactical7701]

Sorry I just don’t get this comment.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

Ok post c ammo. Ok I got it. Maybe the Covid brain fog got to me.

[@francispressly8517]

All that heavy breathing for walking 50 yards is pretty pathetic.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

Yeah but I got the armor so. There’s that.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

I also got the ifak, training, and steel targets. There’s that too.

[@SojournerNX]

Lol. You also have a range to practice on and more subscribers. 😆

[@laserone5627]

Gun not gunna help if u cant move and run big boy!!! Hit the gym put down the burger my guy 👍

[@lowtiertactical7701]

Yeah I actually noticed my breathing walking up. It was in part the armor. But I started running. Then I also started a new job where I move around a lot.

[@MikhaelAhava]

That’s a bit rude way to put it.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

@@MikhaelAhava if I get tired of I’ll block him.

[@eng12b3p]

What a POS!!! Trolls usually talk shit because of their own shortcomings. This Laserone guy probably only shoots with a gaming controller. What happened to being humble and not saying anything if you dont have something positive to say. Keep doing you, I thinks its great you are out there doing what you enjoy and trying to share knowledge. I also like that you are training with your kit on.

[@reallythough4591]

@@lowtiertactical7701 your good bud, that dude is a dick. All sorts of things can lead to all of us gaining some. Been in great shape most of my life, but over did it when pops passed away, and hurt my lower back. It isn't as easy to stay svelte when it hurts to move. You do you, and thanks for the vid. Also, you don't need to run away if you can eliminate the target before it gets to you. Keep training.

[@allio3459]

Meal Team Six 😂

[@lowtiertactical7701]

Whatever, I’m at the range with a shot timer, steel targets, and barricades. Getting my training in. This phone is on a tripod making content. Whatever

[@patriotoutlaw5815]

What you need to do all day is walk back and forth slim

[@lowtiertactical7701]

Well suppose I don’t have to stay at a bench. Yeah I suppose I could walk couldn’t I.