MA v Karen Read: Killer or Cover-Up Murder Trial Day 4 Recap

[@CourtTV]

#CourtTV - What do YOU think?

[@PrincessAndTheChi]

She has MS, please be kind and understand that she is suffering

[@evilqueenyiayia]

I think you need new writers.

[@carolynsears1710]

@@PrincessAndTheChiwho has MS?

[@PrincessAndTheChi]

@@carolynsears1710 Karen Read has MS

[@rickeyrick1]

Lost all trust in court TV, so obvious conspiracy. I watch the honest you tubers now, stopped by to see what the sheep watch. What a dishonest joke court TV has become.

[@dianetaylormedley1139]

You’re not going to get 45 police officers plus the FBI to frame an innocent person. Someone ( police/ FBI) would sing like a canary. She’s guilty!!!

[@mariethompson9326]

Can't believe nobody in the area has CCTV or doorbell cameras

[@katpedder7953]

The police chief across the st from the scene had a ring camera but didn't turn it over cause 'it didn't show anything helpful'

[@Gabriel-hf1yy]

Yes it being a policeman house as well..

[@missyelliot6237]

@@katpedder7953shut up, really????

[@MamaT0927]

You assume they looked for or requested such footage from the area. They didn’t investigate.

[@MelissaChinn-mh6wd]

Why the conspiracy? Law enforcement, paramedics and firefighters are like family. I come from a family of police officers and firefighters and usually side with them but I have to agree with the defense on this one. Too many inconsistencies, coincidences, and sloppy investigation. 1000% there is reasonable doubt at the very least

[@mainstreamnemesis1086]

Yes ma'am

[@davidking6986]

You were never a first responder liar dipshit😅

[@bford5899]

So you know that if one or more officers did something to this man, they would all cover it up. They would never hand over one of their own. Why are all the lawyers following this case on court tv acting like this is so hard to believe? Have you ever saw “good” cops get rid of a “bad” one?

[@pinwheel1212]

It is obvious the players had discussed amongst themselves to form a narrative, but never worked on detail. Again, the defense has done a great job of tidying up the slop.

[@brandyurban9415]

I agree! I thought she was guilty as hell, but after the trial thus far I am on the free KR bandwagon

[@tracylamb7333]

Guilty or not, there was TONS of reasonable doubt by day 2!!!😊

[@bengalbabe]

Yes, there really was.

[@mabhulo2263]

What's your personal opinion as to her guilt or not? What is your gut feeling telling you? Just wondering! 🤔Thanks

[@RustyAShackleford]

​@mabhulo2263 I know you're not asking me but I agree with the poster. Before the trial, I was definitely of the belief that there was either incompetence or some level of cover up or something going on here, now that the trial has started, I don't know. I think 2nd degree is too high of a charge to give her. Should have stuck with manslaughter.

[@Daysfreak57332]

enough for each juror

[@viabaking7626]

Really? All I hear is I hit him, it I hit him!! Which makes me think she knows she did it

[@Persepolis8564]

What people say or do in these situations shouldn't be really judged and comparedvto what a person in a "normal" situation would do.

[@chloer2584]

Exactly and especially since she was literally sectioned

[@berniecoffeydaly6047]

I tottaly agree. Shock affects everyone differently as does a death in the family. Family members react so differently.

[@limasierra6639]

This judge is a disgrace. Shame on her!

[@kellyshannon5472]

It’s so unorganized. She keeps interrupting about taking down the exhibit and putting the lights back on. I’ve never seen anything like this. As resident of MA, It’s pretty embarrassing.

[@joedennehy386]

I'm on the fence, but I have many questions. How could a dead cop lay on your lawn without you being questioned by the police?. Why did the police not canvas the area. The tail light looks fine in the video, and possible dog bites, and that woman googling how long to live in the snow, or similar

[@Gabriel-hf1yy]

I agree

[@EC-dz3fb]

I think police didn't "canvas the area" because they thought KR had admitted it, so they didn't need to go looking for anyone. (Not saying their work was perfect or anything.)

[@dianecharest8365]

They didn't canvasvthe area or question the people in the house because they were all very close friends. That's where the shady investigation comes from. In other words, they didn't investigate.

[@EC-dz3fb]

@@dianecharest8365 𝘖𝘩𝘩𝘩𝘩𝘩 ... 𝘳𝘪𝘪𝘪𝘪𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵.

[@h.nguyen4193]

I love how these court reports give the benefit of the doubt to police. Ohhh there's no conspiracy here, the publics just paranoid. This is Boston, the home of Whitey Bulger. If you think boston police are clean you must be naive. Boston police and boston state police have been caught in many conspiracies so don't treat us like idiots by saying there's no conspiracy.

[@PPereira9]

I live in Massachusetts and I didn’t realize how thick our accents are until I watch these videos

[@EC-dz3fb]

Well, just in and around Boston, really.

[@06mrselfdestruct]

Ok if officers really heard her say “I hit him” then why wasn’t she questioned @ the scene? Why wasn’t she detained? That is how I know they are lying or that they fumbled the investigation

[@stoutie18]

“Hos long to die in the cold? “

[@PJTYLER]

About as long as it takes for hell to freeze over

[@stoutie18]

@@PJTYLER I can’t wait for the Google searches to come out!

[@PJTYLER]

@@stoutie18 And his iWatch. He had the fitness tracker turned on didn't he?

[@stoutie18]

@@PJTYLER yes!!!!

[@lizzeltired2155]

I don’t think that everyone is in on a conspiracy. I think the cover up is only with those on the house. I think the rest are just going along with the hit and run narrative. I would believe that she accidentally hit him if the injuries matched at car injury. They just don’t match. And even if she said that she hit him while hysterical, it does not matter if the injuries do not match. It all comes down to the injuries. The rest does not matter as much

[@06mrselfdestruct]

“Hos long to die in the cold” @ 2:30 am, she googled this while a man lies unconscious on the front lawn of the house she just left

[@Tyrannosaurus_5000]

It was some kind of swinger/drinking binge thing gone wrong, he had dog bites on his arm and the house had a dog

[@WhiteRose360-ji8wc]

How long to die in the snow ? I learned there is a time stamp on a google search,when a google search is googled at two different intervals what happens on the second google search ,it registers the time stamp from the first google search ,because the window was never closed, that’s why the time stamp Registered at 2:30 AM The Prosecution hired a computer Engineer Expert that uses the updated version to explain in detail to the Jurors his findings ,which will prove the precise timing of the Google Search .

[@JS-csnjjip]

I dont think the defense believes EVERYONE is in on it. She was in shock, and like a normal human, she was asking did i hit him. She has no clue what happened, so she is freaked out trying to figure out what happened.

[@jokatech]

I need to hear a coherent narrative that makes sense regarding this. She makes the statement of hitting him, but that was only an accidental statement? Where does the cover up lead. Did a secret society want him dead and bury him on her property to frame her and get her convicted for knowing government secrets?

[@JS-csnjjip]

@@jokatech she asked the question, did I hit him? If you have watched any of the trial it would give you a better understanding of the case

[@jokatech]

@@JS-csnjjip how did we get to did I hit him from I dropped him off and knew nothing about a murder?

[@JS-csnjjip]

@jokatech have you watched any of the trials or even the videos? She was running around frantic, saying, "Did I hit him. She had no clue what happened. Look at the evidence, then ask questions

[@berniecoffeydaly6047]

Absolutly, she dropped him off and left then he never returns home then she finds him dead or what appears to be dead outside the very house she dropped him off at and still is hung over so now she's completly confused as to what could have happened. Totally understandable. Very unfair to keep making more of this than is necessary. The complete inconsistencies in all the so called witnesses statements and the? Where the pet Alsation of 6 years is and upgrading of phones, cellars being dug up, houses sold, texts and phone calls deleted and his injuries don't add up to Karen Reed being involved. I thought at the beginning that she was guilty but watching this it's beyond belief that she was arrested for his murder. Crime scene wasn't sealed off. Samples were taken in cups. Clothes weren't entered into evidence properly. The Albert's NEVER went outside and were "oblivious" of the commotion that early morning OUTSIDE THEIR HOUSE. I could go on and on. It's beyond belief and they are ALL linked through blood or friendships and it's becoming obvious that they ruled the town. Disgusting.

[@mooshie504]

Why did she keep referring to John as her husband? That’s quite strange?

[@sherry8894]

Not strange at all. Alot of people refer to their significant other that way.

[@berniecoffeydaly6047]

She loved him. Not an uncommon statement. I know several people who have made similier statments. Sometimes it's wishful thinking

[@briarrose29]

I think she did it, but not on purpose. I think she was intoxicated and couldn’t grasp or remember it clearly. As she sobered up and he wasn’t home, it set in and she did what most of us would do - blame herself and not think about covering her own butt.

[@lyndahayes5958]

I totally agree to all of that.

[@banniestratton9789]

It surprises mean that John was meant to be at the Alberts party, but they never questioned them on that night to see if he ever entered their house that night. This is very strange for them not to do this. i believe they all knew who's house it was.

[@pamwaszkowski6365]

I would act the same way..if I was falsely being railroaded

[@karliann1]

All white battling serious diseases

[@ashleymarie5233]

I'm astonished at just how many people are buying any of this cover up BS. It's actually disturbing that there are this many. yikes

[@DM-ev1sr]

Lally's last question was "Ms Read said....That was prior o the suicidal remarks she said before you got there" Parker said "yes" Then Lally said "nothing further". How can this firefighter/paramedic attest to comments that were made before he got there? He did not hear them... Objection here

[@tigerlilygirl2643]

Because her statements about not wanting to live were reported to him and the reason they were summoned to take her to the hospital. The defense did not object.

[@ChantalComeau-v3b]

The commentator indicated that it is a big stretch to say ALL these first responders are in on the conspiracy. Which is true BUT they don't have to be "in on it". I agree with what others have said "police, paramedics and firefighters are like family" and they'll often 'blindly' believe each other. So, even if you don't believe it's a conspiracy... it seems clear that most first responders seem to be suspicious of the wife from the outset. No one seems to have approached this horrible situation unbiased and conducted their examination impartially.

[@215zigzag]

No tears. Typical.

[@kess1440]

Im sorry...but answering the question "why would all these people go along with this conspiracy" is short sided and ignorant when looking at how the witnesses have been answering questions, taking what the fed investigation said, and oh yeah...these people are making 6 figure salaries (union jobs in MA)...its easier to see that than a drunk lady drivin 60 feet in reverse going 26 mph

[@MKUltra42]

They should have had someone trying to pull that maneuver when the jury had their field trip today! Even in broad daylight on a sunny day, it’s impossible.

[@shamina1908]

So the police, medical professionals, firefighters, etc. are all in this conspiracy to frame Karen Read? A non important ass person. All these professionals are willing to lose their jobs, etc. to frame a person they don't even know or care about???? But anyone who finds that hard to believe is ignorant??? OK. Her own attorney admitted she hit him by accident until her charges were increased.

[@EC-dz3fb]

EMTs make six figures?

[@kess1440]

@EC-dz3fb I believe it's all union contract for those public jobs assuming a length of their tenor....obviously don't know exactly what each of them get paid and I'm including the value of benefits as part of that calculation

[@Babyd320]

Why would they go along with it for someone they didn’t even know ? So the hospital staff and medical examiners are gonna be in this so called conspiracy too ?

[@Cunuculover23]

Scratches? Those are punctures

[@Barbe194]

By far this is a cover up. The cops and all involved need to be looked at. The good old boys club is no longer.

[@marthanelson9319]

She did it. Why did she leave if she did not do it 🤔 u don't keave someone to freeze in the snow if you did not DO IT

[@kellydarmon8845]

Innocent and wow that judge is corrupt!

[@DM-ev1sr]

This is a master class in cross examination

[@bengalbabe]

💯

[@missyelliot6237]

Her lawyer is so good.

[@PrincessAndTheChi]

@@missyelliot6237 both of them

[@Anna-ww4pv]

I do not believe an entire town of first paramedics, fire fighters, cops etc have planned to frame Karen. Everyone has their perspective. Questioning people about not documenting when everyone is not responsible for documentation is just sleazy.

[@EC-dz3fb]

Agreed. 1st Responders getting skewered by the Defense and its supporters. Really 𝘴𝘢𝘥.

[@WH0oo...]

The glaring omissions in the incident report raising doubts to the veracity of the "confession" that is central to the charges. The town is run by the ‘blue mafia'.

[@WH0oo...]

@@EC-dz3fb this not a skewering. It's called uncovering the truth. The truth will set you free 😇, while Lies will get your 🩳 🔥

[@missyelliot6237]

I think it is sloppy documentation and shoddy police work for the most part, and that Yes shr is being framed - but not everyone is involved. Some are. And the rest are incompetent.

[@josephkain6213]

Prepare to have your belief system shaken.

[@kimb14sho]

I firmly believe this is a case of police corruption. Those scratches are consistent with a dog attack.

[@yourkiwimate]

lol

[@sierramcclary2897]

I don’t think this is police corruption. If the police wanted to cover up the crime, they wouldn’t have needed to frame Karen Read to cover up the crime. They could have just gotten rid of the body if the police wanted to cover up the crime.

[@donna5815]

And they got rid of their beloved pet of 6 or 7 years the next day. I grew up a town over from Canton Ma and it’s always been a shady townie, town.

[@Anna-ww4pv]

The police wouldn’t dump the body in front of their house. Maybe Karen trying to set up the police. Seems like lots of people old help her.

[@sierramcclary2897]

@@Anna-ww4pv Exactly, if the police were trying to cover up the crime, they wouldn’t have left the body in their own yard

[@christinebutcher6491]

GUILTY

[@EddieAlexander-ne5lk]

The prosecution has no case. To much reasonable doubt

[@rosiew777]

“What if any” 😩🤫🤔 seriously Lally ! C’mon ! You sound fresh out the law womb. You’re up against two seasoned professionals. 🤭

[@JillyMae89]

That and the amount of times he says "sort of" is driving me INSANE

[@hamstersmash]

I don't like this judge

[@JillyMae89]

Why not?

[@mollykillarney2419]

@@JillyMae89 I heard she loathes 𝒚𝒐𝒖. (😉)

[@catdad33]

@@JillyMae89 Some people just hate on women no matter what. I think the judge is being fair to both sides and the fact she’s vocal is upsetting quite a few misogynists here

[@Jsarmy87124]

​@@JillyMae89 he left misogynistic comments do not waste your time with him

[@Daysfreak57332]

why is someone asking "is he dead?" suspicious after finding someone unresponsive

[@josephkain6213]

Because she is not used to having her significant other found outside knocking on deaths doorstep. Actually, the exact same question I would ask/rant.

[@kellyshannon5472]

@@josephkain6213 me too! If that was my husband I would be freaking out! I would be visibly shaken and upset if I found anyone in that position….unlike the other people that knew him. To me, THAT is suspicious. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@susanyamini]

Her demenar is not evidence.

[@tigerlilygirl2643]

Yes, it is. It is so obvious that most of you 'free Karen Read' people don't understand how the rules of evidence work and how trials are done.

[@michellestlicitra9105]

Sure IS 😂😂😂

[@rosiew777]

There will 100% be a whistleblower in this whole case wether it’s now or in time to come. But it will all be brought into the light

[@itsjust_Lisa]

Or the Federal investigation will clear her, funny how the Feds and US DA are investigating before this even went to trial.

[@maximoo79]

A law enforcement analyst who is obviously on side with law enforcement. Never gonna get a neutral view.

[@refinnej5302]

"Who, if anyone, was driving the ambulance?" Come on, Lollypop!

[@catdad33]

Take a shot everytime the bald dude clicks his tongue or says um. Alcohol poisoning in two minutes

[@rosiew777]

The judge is ridiculous and I hope there is sanctions against her. I am disgusted at her behaviour during this whole case / trial.

[@DR.DisInfect]

She's not that bad

[@itsjust_Lisa]

Her brother defended one of the Alberts last year, she was asked to recuse herself but refused

[@tigerlilygirl2643]

She is not the biased judge the FKR crowd keeps making her out to be. She is being fair to both sides and following the law.

[@rmarvel169]

​@tigerlilygirl2643 I'm for either side at this moment, yes, she's ridiculous! The sighing could also stop ✋️, I have never seen such behavior!

[@jlow2920]

I thought the same thing.

[@Miriam60589]

Is this the judge’s 1st case? She brings them to side bar every 5 minutes? Or is she trying to stretch this out?

[@EC-dz3fb]

I think she's just trying to be hyper-vigilant about things because a this case is so serious. 🤷‍♂️?

[@pdtenn6829]

It’s called being in shock

[@06mrselfdestruct]

Yes ALL these “friends” will stick up for each other to help them

[@berniecoffeydaly6047]

And some I'd say are afraid not too

[@pinwheel1212]

The Feds know who to squeeze, how hard, and when. Someone will crack, that is a certainty...think pensions hanging in limbo. Long term prison sentences, etc.Dont need Mr. Wizard to figure it out.....someone will roll...

[@kezzykez2471]

She is guilty as hell. She was about to be dumped, she was drunk driving and furious

[@joannaLeboy]

Der

[@Gabriel-hf1yy]

If she's guilty I don't think she would do this deliberately right in front of cops house full of policeman...

[@pdtenn6829]

How long to die in the cold was googled by someone in the house at 2:27 am. FBI investigation says that happened. Is she still guilty??

[@michellestlicitra9105]

@@Gabriel-hf1yyShe was drunk as a skunk

[@kellyshannon5472]

@@pdtenn6829right, Reed wasn’t even there. She did t return to the Albert’s house until 6am

[@renatac1960]

I think she knew she hit him, when she left him at friends but did not think it was a big deal, and left. When he didnt came back home, she sensed she might have hit him harder than she thought and panicked when she found out he was dead.

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

lmfao ridiculous theory, honestly.

[@karinaz8756]

What part of the car left symmetrical bruises on John’s arm. They want to accuse her of murder and not a single person has been able to re-enact the car accident and explain all of John’s injuries.

[@Jina_G]

I'm with you all the way.

[@stigma3343]

I think you're intellectually disabled

[@mollykillarney2419]

@@notsorryyouretriggered Really? Because that's what she said at first. So ...

[@jetg2059]

I want to know how he had a head injury to the back of his head if they found him on the grass

[@Gabriel-hf1yy]

Good point..

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

His lips smacking needs to stop good Lord

[@Izzy-dl9nw]

Judge should stop huffing and puffing when the defense are asking questions, this seems IMO to give the jury her opinion of the case, like they are wasting her time really?!!

[@maryblais7791]

Sus is the judge also! Apparently has a beach home she rents to these cops….,0h my.

[@dukedematteo1995]

I don't blame her.

[@loriring8448]

If the judge knows these police officers and she gets convicted, I would think that she could appeal based on this. Anyone know if that’s true?

[@jessikat36]

Somebody needs a ricola. 😂

[@mariaisabelfalconi6513]

If she murdered her boyfriend (implies premeditation), would she have admitted that she had an argument with him and their last words to each other were unkind?

[@Gem0674]

And she wouldn't have gone home she would have skipped town!

[@itsjust_Lisa]

I doubt she'd have gone back looking for him? Shouting and screaming and attempting CPR. Also, if she hit him at 12.30 and EMT came at past 6 uet they thought it was a viable to continue CPR, he'd have been frozen solid in 5 hours? Those scratches are definitely not made by a taillight

[@tigerlilygirl2643]

🙄

[@tigerlilygirl2643]

She is not charged with premeditated murder, which is first degree. Second degree murder does not require premeditation.

[@missyelliot6237]

Exactly what I was thinking.

[@itsjust_Lisa]

Report without biased that would be so much better

[@berzlii5572]

I thought this was going to be closing arguments whit vinnie politan

[@CraftyComeLately]

It's accident or complete failure of law enforcement to investigate it properly.

[@karinaz8756]

They never searched the house. They didn’t even put up crime scene tape.

[@Jina_G]

The police were dreadful. Hopeless. Should be sacked and replaced.

[@pinwheel1212]

Homicide investigations are NEVER this sloppy. They couldn't even get the address correct on multiple documents, or names, or times, or statements, or anything . That alone provides enough reasonable doubt.

[@pixl8me]

Those scratches!

[@barbeemarshall4638]

this judge is terrible.. i dont want to hear her sigh constantly she does not like the defense at all and its so obvious

[@grahamalastairkrebs2241]

That evedents in the house are all covered up and even sold now too. How are they going to get the evedents to show that he was not in that house and all the DNA that could have showed what really happened between the house owner and the dead body? The police just focus on poor Karen Read and didn't listen to the howl story. This is a cover up!!!!!

[@MellissaBoomeroftheNight]

55:00 "I've never put people in cages." Firstly, that claim is usually made by people who've never had a close family member mrdrd. Secondly, I'd like for this guy to move to Seattle, Portland, or NYC. He'll have a different view by tomorrow about Law and Order.

[@PJTYLER]

I've lived in Seattle and Portland. I hear you

[@mikewoodland4461]

Before this trial started I believed she was innocent, now few days in I’m not so sure , just shows how much the media can sway the public’s opinion.

[@lovepet4565]

I do not think she is

[@LatinaLatina1011]

Ask the Brian Higgins why he got rid of his phone . ? Ask BH and BA why they are not friends anymore

[@EC-dz3fb]

​@@LatinaLatina1011 LatinaLatina you 𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗹𝗹 make 𝗻𝗼 sense.

[@Laura-kay92]

We haven't even heard the defense case yet. I'm waiting until then to decide. And I don't think going to a bar and then to another bar for dinner and drinks bar hopping. Did Karen tell the authorities that's what they did that evening they went bar-hopping.

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

Why would the media sway the public’s opinion? The only thing that should sway your opinion on the case is the factual evidence presented. If your opinion on this case is swayed by the “media” then you’re already malleable.

[@lyndahayes5958]

I hate the way KR sniggers and smirks when her attorneys get the upper hand ie objection. Also when he attorneys destroy witnesses. JOK family are right beside. Someone lost their life this is unacceptable her demeanour is the worst defendant I have watched and I have watches hundreds literally. I think she is guilty but it was an accident. Now it’s a circus with KR strutting around like a celebrity. There is too many witnesses all saying she hit him. She growls at people and draws them dirty looks by looking up and down at people. I would love to see that smug attitude being sent to jail as justice for JOK and his poor family. She also has unprofessional relationships with her attorney thinking she is an attorney herself. She would be better going to side bar as her neck jilts forward trying to hear them. She is whispering and sniggering and after each side bar she asks what the discussions were. I feel she is very distracted as she thinks she will not be charged. Please god give her prison where she can’t have access to alcohol and anger issues. Guilty all the way

[@new2000car]

I would feel the same as Karen if I were being framed. She gets a complete pass on these reactions. The scratches on the body from the dog are all that matters in the end.

[@Gabriel-hf1yy]

Its hard to believe everyone is in on the conspiracy...to me it seems like maybe she hit him with the car without realising it..i agree it does look like it at times when these paramedics are caught out and looks like their lying.. but thats life nobody hears and see,s things the same... its a fact of life...at most she should be found guilty of manslaughter...not murder...

[@Anna-ww4pv]

Paramedics are not investigating a crime scene. They are responding to an unconscious man.

[@bonniehess816]

Omg this Judge is a joke! Seriously every min it's something 🙄🙄🙄

[@catdad33]

Don’t blame the lawyers bad questioning on her. I’ve found her interventions to be justified each time

[@kimb14sho]

This paramedic seems like he's not coerced 1:00:36

[@wicketuma444]

If I were with my BF and we were drinking and partying, I would not drive to another party and leave him. Especially at that hour in a snowstorm and drunk. Who knows what John walked in on. I heard he had on a coat. Where is it? Was it torn by a dog? Reasonable doubt at this moment. My condolences to all the O'Keefe family, especially his parents.

[@Anna-ww4pv]

Walked into? They are all cops. It would be a safe place. Why would you be driving around in a blizzard while drunk?

[@wicketuma444]

@@Anna-ww4pv Cops aren't saints. And do you think the other cops sprouted wings and flew home? Surely you've heard of police corruption, cover-ups etc.

[@Gle7799]

PTients of miltople schlerosis have transitory tempers and emotional irritability.

[@michellestlicitra9105]

Those deep scratches were from her nails 💅🏻💅🏻💅🏻

[@a.j2603]

😂😂 are you kidding me

[@3xþ0s3ð]

Yes 100%

[@Gle7799]

Karen whipped out that report rather swiftly

[@pdtenn6829]

HOW LONG TO DIE IN THE COLD 2:27 am google search by someone in the house . Hours before Karen came back to the house .

[@genomic_]

@54:29 He does not put people in cages? That was an absurd comment to be coming from a lawyer. He should then let murderers, etc, lodge in his house. I don't believe everyone should be incarcerated, but criminals should not be free to roam either.

[@PagingDrMakeUp]

They are all conspiring to cover this up

[@Babyd320]

Oh ok .. are you still going to think this when the hospital staff says the same thing ? And when the medical examiners give their statement? This whole conspiracy is so far fetched !

[@Seashea]

⁠@@Babyd320when the hospital staff says what ? The wounds are from a motor vehicle? He lost 3-5 liters of blood, where? The swollen hands that look like defensive wounds n bruises. Based on the physical condition of John Okeefes’s body alone defies logic that he was hit by a vehicle. Im just curious what you think they will say? T

[@bford5899]

@@Babyd320what’s far fetched about a house full of cops lying about a dead cop dead in the front yard? I find it hard to believe that man laid outside and no one saw him as they left. It wasn’t snowing when he dropped and there wasn’t enough to cover him completely when he was found. You know damn well that no one in that house would turn in another officer for murder. That’s more far fetched than anything else alleged in this case.

[@limasierra6639]

Whitney trying to shoehorn in Karen Read's apparent snarkiness in the situation. Like what? What terrible witnesses these are!

[@a.j2603]

The lack of empathy shown to her was a disgrace. Perhaps she said that about Kerry as she was annoyed she bought her back to the scene and she was sectioned there.

[@selmeb1291]

This “reporting” is terrible. All you did was play back Lally’s terrible questioning. What a waste of time.

[@bigeohiostatefan2796]

Oh my God, the paramedic needs Court room training. "Um um um" isn't a part of speaking in public.

[@RichGagliardi]

I'd think 1st Responders have more important things to do than taking elocution lessons. 🙄

[@bigeohiostatefan2796]

@RichGagliardi As a retired Colorado LE, I set beside Paramedics and firefighters in speech classes. I'd rather see an educated person in Court than one unprepared sounding uneducated UnmmUmm

[@RichGagliardi]

@@bigeohiostatefan2796 Great. That's what YOU'D rather see. Not really sure why that's relevant to anything but your prefence is your prerogative. ✌

[@DebraTownsend-l1m]

The smacking... I can't watch anymore.

[@flesh4lulu475]

And the ummmm along with the smacking, lol

[@lucylou9030]

He might have a slight tick or a stammer

[@Jag...]

​@@lucylou9030 or loose dentures 😂

[@laineyb2897]

I think shes guilty. But too much reasonable doubt

[@itsjust_Lisa]

Can someone tell me why the FBI and thr US Attorney General are investigating this case?

[@EC-dz3fb]

I think because of Trooper Proctor's misconduct. (But, they're now gone.)

[@ania2.089]

Why don't Court TV show the back and forth between the defense and McLaughlin????🤔

[@EC-dz3fb]

I bet that's coming in a future episode.

[@DM-ev1sr]

Hey firefighter/paramedics, "How's Frankie doing?"

[@PerezRivera65]

One Quick question. What it was the plow guy that hit John. ? But they thought it was Karen and framed her. The plow guy. Did they investigate him or his truck. ?

[@Babyd320]

There’s no framing .. the only person framing people is karen read! In fact local .. state . Boston police ..friends ..first responders .. hospital staff . Medical examiners are all being framed by her .. think about that !!!

[@Lexi61689]

Good point. But Proctor didn't investigate ANYBODY or ANYTHING else. He's what initially led this cover up

[@DR.DisInfect]

Even if she killed him Proctor did such a terrible job they'll never be able to convict her. He's either dirty or the worse investigator ever

[@karinaz8756]

John was killed in that house and Carried outside.

[@DR.DisInfect]

@karinaz8756 you were there or just listening to too many podcasts. More then likely that's what happened but don't act like you know

[@christine6205]

Free Karen Read come on Free Karen Read Let's go Free Karen Read! 😁

[@joshuaporter4078]

This lady does understand they are all related and thats why its believable they are working together. My family family helps family and has each others back.

[@joannaLeboy]

Why would they lie?? To keep their friend and family member out of prison for murdering him:: lady, got off our screen because you have zero clue what you're talking about

[@wakeupamericaandresist2413]

If he got bit you must acquit 👈🏻🤣🤣🤣🤣✌🏽👊🏼

[@lovepet4565]

It was teeth scraped arms

[@EC-dz3fb]

​@@lovepet4565 No. (Sorry.)

[@shelleyupchurch3735]

Love it - made me lol.

[@michellestlicitra9105]

N A I L S 💅🏻💅🏻

[@lovepet4565]

@@michellestlicitra9105 my daughters got between her german and another one Trying to break up And she had one exacly like it From teeth My Doberman same , he has super sharp Teeth that scrape when they bite but not puncturing skin

[@Gle7799]

Dropping him off i mean

[@jennifergannuscio6086]

24 hour shifts? Wtf!!!

[@Gle7799]

One is supposed to avoid stresses when having MS. Maybe the foghting and the overwhelming chores of children made her flip out.

[@Gle7799]

You cant craftly accuately cover up this in the time alotted

[@Gle7799]

Here comes the dramatic medical history. So than she was drinking, driving,with the early on diagnosis of multiple schlerosis. More reckless.

[@PrincessAndTheChi]

Do you mean “then” and “sclerosis”? Please put down your own drink LOL

[@EddieAlexander-ne5lk]

Why are we recapping his employment history? 🤦‍♂️

[@davidking6986]

Some wild conspiracy maybe the judge jury and all the town too lmfao😅

[@itsjust_Lisa]

The judge was asked to recuse herself due to connection with the Albert family but refused so you could very well be correct. If it is, it rivals Suffolk Countys Jimmy Burke and his DA pals

[@beemergrl3017]

In a time of ring cameras / security cameras where are they? A neighbor has to have something.

[@Anna-ww4pv]

Everyone doesn’t use cameras.

[@maryblais7791]

Can’t wait till Colin Albert is on the stand . He seems to be the alleged culprit that had a fist fight with officer OKeefe. This Colin lived near John OKeefe and o er the years taunted his neighbor w juvenile things like beer cans on lawn, texting OKeefe in Aruba with Colin and family on his porch. Officer OKeefe was dead on lawn missing his coat and shoe . His arm wounds canine scratched. House party dog known for biting.

[@NYLI11]

Wait what? Omg I didn’t know the texting on porch thing and beer cans. I keep hearing more and more and it’s crazy. Wow

[@new2000car]

missing his coat? Was the coat inside the house? this could be huge.

[@PrincessAndTheChi]

@@new2000car no one knows where his coat was (at least, hasn’t been disclosed yet), but that is why defense kept asking the EMT’s what he was wearing, and at least one said he was wearing a coat and dressed for the outdoors - yet no coat found and he was wearing a thin hoodie. I’ve lived here for years and am known to not use a coat during winter weather to run in or out of places with a short walk, but no one does that during a snowstorm. I am sure it is lost forever, just like the shoe. But the missing coat again showed EMTs lying.

[@katpedder7953]

Officer O'Keefe also was seen in the videos at waterfall bar wearing a ball cap and a belt.... Neither has been found to this day. And all clothing evidence sat in Trooper Proctors trunk for weeks before he finally turned it in.

[@hze1234]

0 evidence of premeditation after 1 week of proceedings

[@tigerlilygirl2643]

She isn't charged with premeditated murder... 🙄

[@Gabriel-hf1yy]

@tigerlilygirl2643 maybe not... but they said she deliberately done it..

[@praisingirl]

wow those scratches look more like road rash to me What if he had slipped, fallen and was in a more sitting position when she backed up and hit him

[@activedogzz100]

Maybe

[@mainstreamnemesis1086]

Yea if there were dog nails and teeth sticking out of the road😂

[@shelleyupchurch3735]

Google "road rash" images

[@margiesandau4155]

Pretty sure the paramedics removed a coat or some sort of clothing that covered his arms. Also with snow there would be no road rash.

[@praisingirl]

@@margiesandau4155 he had a long sleeved tee shirt on. No coat

[@New_Zealand_1]

I didn't know the Police Sectioned Karen and put her in the Looney Bin !!! That is a tactic used by Police and others when they want to control a situation. I know ... becos I've had it done to me.

[@_xntrk]

It's a microphone, all one need do is speak into it. Not that difficult.

[@terrys.1401]

Very odd 1 shoe wasn't found.

[@Izzy-dl9nw]

Maybe lost it at the pub

[@maryblais7791]

Autopsy showed 5 liters of blood escaped the dead officer. However lying in snow only droplets recovered? Head gash back of victims head. Party house owned by big time crime id cop. Sold home quickly after 4 generations. The biting dog was also given away. Basement floor torn up ??? Classic getting rid of all evidence.

[@TKE1009]

@@Izzy-dl9nw possibly left in the house. Not like LE ever even searched the Alberts' house!

[@Seashea]

@@maryblais77915 liters of blood lost? Im hoping to hear more about that from medical examiner. How do we know about the basement floor?

[@PJTYLER]

They would have found it if they had looked in the basement.

[@lisaphillips8036]

Does this horrible judge ever over rule an objection? She's terrible

[@rec.thecritic]

👮‍♂️👮PART 2 police cover up my uncles murder. Jealousy seem to have gotten this cop going, we figured this later. It was a really small town. My aunt was the only latina woman in town. Note this happened in 2003 or 4 cant remember exactly. so no body camera, Anyways 4 of the kids video taped 3 quarters of what happened. All on flip phones lol. The house had video cameras outside and inside. The cops removed the video tapes two days later. Later claiming the video files were distorted and not working and set properly to record. None of it was true. How did he die, he was sitting on the lazy boy and as the cop order the paramedics take his blood pressure . The paramedic said to the cop , well if he doesn't want the service we have to leave, the cop said. Well you didn't come out for no reason, this is a waste of tax payers money. My uncle said don't worry , i will pay the bill, but i do not need any more service so im asking you guys to just please go home. The paramedic went towards his arm. To take the blood pressure while looking at the cop in a really fk up way. This is a very long storyz so im telling the short part. My uncle had the bible in his hand, and the tv remote control. The paramedic said u better just let us take your blood pressure because we don't want something to happen to u later abd we get blame so at this point, u have to let us see u. My uncle sat up on the lazy boy and said please guys just leave my home, im allow to refuse service in this country, i don't understand whats going ob so my uncle lifted his arms like saying with the bible and the remote in his hands do both hands are busy. Here is the move he made 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ this is the move that got him shot 9 time on his lazy boy. The paramedic said well if you don't want treatment u don't have to attack me with your bible. My uncle said son i didn't do no such im just saying i don't need help. The cop got angry and said get up yelling and his wife, said please is ok, i made a mistake. You guys can leave, the kids are crying there is 8 cops inside the house. One cop said miss step back now or i will arrest you for obstruction, she said why, the 15 year old said please leave my family alone. The cop said, if you don't shut up and take your brothers upstairs, i will take you to jail. Note all other cops are just standing back. Is the two cops who had some sort of gang like attitude. Do as i say or else, im the boss, your underneath me, type attitude. Note this is in less that 3 minutes all this between making that move all this words. My ancle said to the cops, why are u all doing this to my family, im asking you all to please leave my home, u are threatening my children and my whole family for no reason. His wife said yes please leave i will taje him to the hospital instead. The cop said i think is best to call CPS because you seem to be mistreating your children, your not well in the head having a headache for 3 days and being grumpy yelling at the children, and telling them to shut up. His wife is crying and the cop yanks her and says move i toll you before. She was not near anyone or anything. She was just blocking one of the cops view. My uncle got up and said hay just like this 🧏‍♂️hay he said why are u hurting my wife stretching his arm with tge bible in his hand. The cop was about 10 feet from him and the other cop was 6 feet from him the paramedic was 2 feet from him. The cop said, u just assault it the first my buddy thats here to help u. My uncle in a soft but stern voice said, i did no such please leave right now as the cop pulled his gun and shot him 9 times in front of his children in the living room. The children began screening saying no daddy no. Now prior to the shots the paramedic was on his left side no where near his arms. The cop when he started shooting, he said gun , gun. yet it was the bible. His wife began screaming the other cops took the kids into the other living room, he landed on tge lazy boy. They refused to let his wife go near him. They kicked out the paramedics. The paramedics said i have nothing to do with this. You can actually here them talking and one gangster said, he have to do something about it ir we are all fk. So they picked him up. The wife said what are u doing where are u taking him. One cop held her back and said i will arrest u, if you interfere with this investigation. Don't worry u will be ok, he will be ok. The carry him to the next room while dying they laid him on the bed of a guess room that was in the hallway next to the den. This was a big house 200 acres land but the house was about 30 feet from the road. The paramedics didn't go into the room till 20 minutes later just to pronounce him dead. When they carry him in there after being shot 9 times and asking where is tge bedroom. He was still alive but dying. They beat him so severely that he got every single rib broken, his chest was broken, both his shoulders out of the socket, his risk was backwards, his pelvis was snap his knee cap was sna, his leg was facing right. They were yelling while in tge room saying stop it , let us help you, but how could that be when he was shot through his heart 2 times blowing his heart right out. His face had so many contusions. His face was 3 times his size. Both eye sockets broken, his chest and back was cover in bruises from his neck to bis buttox. They flipped him over handcuffed in while on the bed, both his eyes were bleeding from the beating to his face, when they flipped him, they beat the back of his head braking his squall. The funeral guy said he was beaten in his back so severely with fist and the baton so bad that it cacked all his rips in the back cracking his neck and back. You couldn't recognize him. It was and open casket only for family and friends but not his kids. The funeral police showed up trying to intimate family but specifically the kids and wife. I said to the same cop to fking leave now. U have no right being here, u murder this family. He said to me, im just here making sure everyon is oke and how she is holding up because the kids don't deserve this.. maybe if CPS took the kids for a while, she can heal. I looked at him and said leave your not threatening me here, im not from American, im not scare of you. I was recording the entire incident on a tape recorder. We also bire a 2 camera man to capture everything with audio. They were instructions to get the cops conversation. We were there for two weeks and every single day all day. They drove by all day, they parked right in front of her house. I pressure her to get a lawyer and no lawyer in town would taje tge case. She was so stressed because she had never ran a business. She was stay hone mom. They harassed the customers by pulling them over. They got 3 employees to quit because off the amount of pulling them over. They were scare . She was afraid, a lawyer out of state asked her for 200,000 because he said is a tough case because police have amunity. They made her sell the property because they kept on threatening to take the kids and she was pregnant. The stress was so severe that she had to sell the property and the businesses to get away from the harassment, going to tge kids school. She refuses to allow the media in since they gad threatened her daily and everyone around her. She was married to him but didn't have the American status ....oh and they went through the house taking the tapes. Our case isn't the first one nor will it be the last

[@MCreedon34]

Sureeeee

[@pamelajr8020]

Has anyone ever check her mental condition……Karen