MA. v Karen Read Trial Day 17 - Brian Higgins, Butt Dials and The FBI

[@JWnunnya]

How many of us have already watched, know what is coming and are only here to watch EDB's reactions?? I know I'm not the only one.

[@reneekorabiak2406]

Me

[@marcydownum484]

🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️

[@CNR1405]

Me too!!!

[@AustinThinker79]

I literally just fast forward to when she’s talking!

[@beatrizc8043]

🙋🏻‍♀️

[@tishipop]

I love how Higgins said 22 seconds wasn't long enough for a convo and then when Bev asked his lawyer if he needed time to talk to his lawyer his lawyer said " I only need about 10 seconds"🤣

[@italiagirlie]

Good one!!

[@blucky1250]

Nice catch!

[@Fifi_Is_My_Name-O]

I thought the exact same thing as you!

[@angelacarl9034]

😅😅😅

[@Thunderella]

Omg yes!

[@Midge0314]

So let me get this straight, all of the butt dial phones were rehomed? Got it!

[@lynannbowling]

They got punished 😄

[@Midge0314]

@@lynannbowling that’ll teach them! 🤣

[@leannawest4608]

The butt dial phones were put in permanent time out😂😂😂

[@WatchTashi]

Yep. But Apple will know where those phones are and I firmly believe they can locate and Cellebrite and the carrier can still get a lot out of it.

[@bigdog5758]

Maybe they butt dialed Chole the dog as well hence the rehoming....

[@auntiefish4192]

Canton appears to be a town where every person on the road is wasted, but they all have *really* talented butts.

[@andreag7037]

In Canton, the butts are the designated drivers

[@saramichaels8191]

Best comment. Ever.

[@joakuz]

🤣🤣🤣 true!

[@sleepyjavanlangur]

😂😂😂

[@lorib-g1908]

Can't stop laughing over this comment. TY ❤

[@mini_skinny0296]

Prosecution: we have pages of flirtatious messages. Defense: this dude used Federal resources to delete stuff from his phone, one day after the crime.

[@Dr_Vix]

😆😆😆😆🤦🏼‍♀️

[@yellowpillNP]

Defense: you’re gonna try to embarrass my client? Aight, bet, first we’re gonna humiliate you and make sure the only thing left in your dating pool is a tumble weed….

[@Lynn-vy9xr]

Prosecution has an 8 wk cute little kitty cat chasing a ball on a string and the defense had a full grown mean jaguar ready to pounce on its prey.

[@monkeybizz-151]

I’m not proud of it, but I have done what Karen did with Higgins. Having problems with my boyfriend and had flirtations with one of his friends. It was all about payback and attention. I felt very guilty after, so I wouldn’t have gone in the house either. Doesn’t mean she is guilty of hitting him.

[@twinjanet1]

Anybody intellectually honest would say the same. :)

[@rubenfranco9046]

Doesn't mean she's guilty or innocent. It also doesn't mean she can control the reactions of the men she played.

[@monkeybizz-151]

@@rubenfranco9046 can’t even imagine the guilt I would be feeling, if my actions may have caused (inadvertently) his death.

[@jayejaye4395]

Exactly what I was thinking.

[@amandaknicely4340]

Yes! This is not as uncommon as one thinks. But it doesn’t equate murder

[@kelc____]

Not fair that the defense always gets rushed when Lally wastes so much time asking dumb, repetitive questions and bringing in non relevant witnesses

[@anyone_but_me]

They’re not getting “rushed” they’re getting told to move on when they’ve asked and answered.

[@butterbeanqueen8148]

@@anyone_but_methat’s your interpretation. But many many times that’s not what’s going on. I’ve never seen a judge behave this way. She actually ended court (on another day) for the day DURING CROSS EXAMINATION with 30 minutes left in the day. The defense was on a roll. She wanted to stop their flow. She allows the prosecution to waste HOURS of time on who their children are, who their relatives are, what their job is, how much it was snowing, redundant testimony and on and on. But the minute the defense slightly expounds upon anything she apologizes to the jury as if the defense is wasting their time. And it’s sickening. A person’s life is on the line. And I can’t stand the way she says I’ll give it to you instead of overruled. Like she’s granting some sort of favor. She’s not a queen granting a favor she’s their as an arbiter of the law.

[@Bibba2727]

@@butterbeanqueen8148I absolutely agree with you, well said 👏

[@MoonDragon1]

@@anyone_but_meno the judge is rushing the defense for sure several times while letting the state go on and on and on asking the same is it snowing forever! Defense only repeats the question when the slippery witnesses are not answering the questions. Especially Jen McCabe

[@butterbeanqueen8148]

@@Bibba2727 thank you. This trial has me so riled up. I keep wanting to scream THIS ISNT THE WAY THIS IS SUPPOSED TO WORK.

[@WatchTashi]

I would rather have a root canal than be crossed by Alan Jackson. The more this goes on, the better he gets. He knows and he is doing an amazing job exposing the corruption and most importantly, defending Karen Read.

[@lindala2602]

Lally = anaestasea

[@hiiiiiiii5985]

@@lindala2602 the spelling >

[@lindala2602]

@@hiiiiiiii5985 yes, i have no idea of how that is spelled, and i'm too lazy to look it up

[@francescawilliams8177]

I just had a root canal this morning and I feel like absolute shit. So I agree

[@peterpanish3534]

I want AJ if I'm ever accused!

[@nathansmith1085]

If Karen is getting a DUI, why aren't all of these other people, including the cops? There seems to be more evidence about how much they drank, then there is how much she drank.

[@ravenzyblack]

The DA just wanted to add more charges to her Second-degree Manslaughter charge.

[@nathansmith1085]

@ravenzyblack I'm sure you are right, but they gotta know the optics of how much everyone is drinking just makes them look horrible. Especially when, I think it was Proctor, that was showed to be drinking and driving his police cruiser so much that he actually lost his service weapon and badge in the other cops car. That looks absolutely horrible, yet they are going to ignore all of that drinking and driving and focus on her. I'm a huge supporter of our police force, but I always believe they should be held to a higher standard when it comes to committing crimes and their punishments should be more severe. If you are going to be the one judging and making lawful decisions about me, then you better be a stand up, boyscout type, law abiding citizen!

[@mariusweber4990]

At this point, the main argument in favour of Karen Read for me is that if the prosecution's theory about her hitting John was right, none of these witnesses would have any reason to be so dishonest or deceitful, especially the public servants involved. Yet, almost all of them are.

[@McQuizzical]

That's mine too, they've made themselves look guilty.

[@kimjames9811]

I kinda think though the harassment they have received is disgusting and it obviously going to affect the way they testify… people should of left them all alone at let the trial play out

[@technigeneric]

@@kimjames9811 The laundries received exponentially more "harassment" than the McAlberts but no one questions the fact that their son killed Gabby Petito and they worked to cover it up. The idea that we should have sympathy for these monsters because some "blogger" exposed their attempts to frame an innocent woman for the murder of a police officer they were complicit in is pathetic.

[@sarahb2004]

@@technigenericthere it is 💯 👏

[@silikon2]

@@kimjames9811​​⁠That is an interesting point and could explain some of their dodgy testimony but not some of their behavior they themselves have attested to, particularly this witness. But while I find that interesting to ponder, it feels like that puts me in the position of trying to find a way that the cw's case is true. In terms of Read's trial, trying to find a way that the prosecution theory is correct is polar opposite to the reasonable doubt standard for Read.

[@Sidebarbie]

What in the f*cking Vanderpump Rules is happening in the middle of this trial right now had me in tears. 😂

[@kcollini]

This was a classic!! I LOL’d at that!

[@Deannaleigh65]

I spit my drink out!! Then was crying!

[@kandykaye9981]

🤣🤣🤣

[@aloevera533]

This does feel like a VPR reunion. 😂

[@kristi1604]

This would be a good shirt

[@missliss2581able]

So the phone records are wrong, the key swipes are wrong, etc. i cannot with these people

[@Kate_P]

Exactly. But do trust the sketchily collected evidence that was stored in red solo cups and the car left in the sally port for days. 🙄

[@francescawilliams8177]

And do trust all he did was walk through the Sally Port as a shortcut to his office and didn’t see Karen’s car and that is not why the video for that time is missing 🙄

[@Kate_P]

@@francescawilliams8177 well of course. ‘he always tells the truth’ 🙄

[@I_DontRemember]

They dispute the very records they must trust when they put other people away in their professional capacity?

[@JamieDoe472]

The defense had me at Red Solo cup, stop & shop bag, and the leaf blower. Nothing has convinced me to leave the defenses side since. 🤷

[@aimeerothwell3849]

WHAT?! The video is missing of the sally port?!?!?!?? I can’t even. Absolutely not. No ma’am, no ham, no Turkey. This is suspicious af.

[@bethlovesthings]

Is "No ma'am, no ham, no turkey" a common colloquialism or something you created? Either way it's AMAZING 😝💓💓

[@morgantaylor8193]

Replay crew! How ironic that Higgins said you can’t have a conversation in 20 something seconds..but his own attorney said confidently that he could have a whole conversation- giving legal counsel in 10 SECONDS

[@Monica-gene1]

I’m sure there are “other things” he does in under 20 second! 😏

[@mini_skinny0296]

Runkle said Higgins will plead the fifth. It was enough for his lawyer to tell him that.

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

@@Monica-gene1 😂😂😂😂 I spit my drink out on that comment.

[@greeneyedsoutherngirl6468]

@@Monica-gene1lmao! 😂

[@Midge0314]

I always go to the FBI when I need a screenshot. Normal procedure. 😮

[@blobfishrescue]

Is there even an other way to do it….? 🤔

[@JWnunnya]

When Google just won't cut it

[@Sleuth_Squad]

😂😂😂❤

[@blobfishrescue]

@@JWnunnyacome back when fbi has their own search engine 🕵🏼‍♀️

[@eleanorsvenson2958]

Oh my gosh. Watch the next time I want to keep a recipe on my phone I’ll just go to the local office and see what they can do. It’s how the ATF does it…

[@Maryaliece]

LOVED RUNKLE TODAY! He is So loyal to you. Now that is a true friend. Sorry about the big letters but sometimes theyre simply needed! Ive gotten fussed out about them before.... Runkle deserved the Kudos though.....

[@butterbeanqueen8148]

🎯🎯🎯

[@T-Marie812]

Yesss! Law nerds love uncle runkle 😊

[@jayejaye4395]

@@butterbeanqueen8148❤

[@amandaknicely4340]

Yes he was! The chat tho was pissing me off!

[@themonkeypuzzle]

Absolutely agree.... He had me laughing out loud.

[@BreannaDrummond]

my takeaway is that even if karen didn’t want kids, she respected john for taking care of them and was close with them. i haven’t seen anything that tells me she would purposely kill him and do that to the kids AGAIN. i’m sure some people think she’s heartless and selfish for not wanting to take care of them- but she was doing it ANYWAY

[@butterbeanqueen8148]

And doing it while having debilitating illnesses that make it hard to live a normal life. I have two autoimmune diseases. You never know when you aren’t going to feel well. I can’t imagine taking care of two kids and dealing with that. And they weren’t even her kids.

[@italiagirlie]

Exactly, she just didn’t want to be taken advantage of…like she was in Aruba

[@ErinStudio]

Exactly. I think she cared for those kids, but the relationship issues made her feel like she was being taken advantage of somehow. Her texts w/Higgins were so gross, but I didn’t fault her for venting about being a parental figure.

[@LKMNOP]

Yet no one is saying that John was heartless and selfish for wanting to party and leaving the kids at home with her. It's always dump on the woman bit

[@mini_skinny0296]

​@@italiagirlie Yeah, some vacation. 60 people, partner drunk, flirting with a floozy, while she had to take care of two spoiled children that are not even hers. And that is close to New Years Eve.

[@samanthamcfadden1268]

It always amazes me how little they can remember during cross questions while being able to recall the tiniest of details that might incriminate anyone else but them!

[@Itsthatoneguy371]

Legal Bites calls it “Cross Examnesia”. I love that!

[@aoky9179]

esp. if you compare it to people we have seen who feel a lot more genuine such as Isaac Barusch (spelling?) from Depp v Heard

[@Sadies_Mom]

The fact that this woman’s life is on the line is an absolute outrage. Absolutely disgusting. The people surrounding this case should be beyond ashamed of themselves.

[@lisaduggan691]

Higgins "IF I got rid of a phone" = OJ's book "If I Did It" 🤣

[@susiefrades-white3088]

IKR!!!????

[@ari_hen]

The amount of "coincidences" in this trial feels so improbable. The amount of deleted texts, butt dials, discarded phones, people being in the wrong place wrong time .... Maybe not a cover up, but incredibly suspicious.

[@auriclerelationships320]

And also all the missing evidence, the mishandling of evidence, and all the small town relations are SICK

[@TK-ib7rm]

How does one "butt dial" when the phone is nowhere near said butt? At least Brian Albert said he slept with the phone in his bed (I still don't see how you would butt dial in that instance) but to try and have reasonable people believe that your phone was on the nightstand while you slept and somehow butt dialed, nah, I don't think so.

[@chrissyrox2011]

In the wise words of Judge Judy “I don’t believe in coincidences”

[@ThatRedhedd]

And the suspicion is that Karen Read was framed.

[@GoblinsAreAGirlsBestFriend]

And I'm really stuck on the scraped knuckles too.

[@brennanoonan]

EDB, I think maybe you’re misreading the weed whacker situation. From her perspective, a strange man catcalls her, she flips him off, then he circles back around to her house? I’d feel threatened too!

[@theConquerersMama]

Me too. I am not great at recognizing people's vehicles types or even people's faces out of context. I often have neighbors and other parents say hi when at the market or out eating and It takes me a while to place them.

[@jamiwengler338]

Me too

[@jamiwengler338]

If anything that's the one time her quick reaction was warranted lol

[@francescawilliams8177]

I also thought she assumed a stranger was cat calling her and she reacted that way

[@megan3576]

Same!

[@mikemck4796]

If I claim to be the first person to leave a place, I would never be confident someone else “never showed up.”

[@SocratesCurse]

So far, my takeaway is that all of these cops are driving drunk. If JOK was hit, it easily coulda been a drunk driver who wasn’t KR.

[@dgmaffi]

So their story is, Brian Albert butt-dialed Brian Higgins. Brian Higgins missed the call but then butt-dialed him back. Seems legit.

[@Quiz261Grl]

😂😂

[@calliew311]

Emily's statement of "why are everyone's butts calling each other?" Had me laughing out loud.

[@darkydoom]

Their arses have fingers

[@francescawilliams8177]

As each of their butts picked the call and talked back.

[@fictionjunkie]

This will go down in history as The Butt Dial Trial.

[@elle91711]

I am never driving in Canton after like 10pm …. Too many drunk adults on the road ! Scary !!!!

[@stephanieforman9146]

Seriously!!! 👀

[@JWnunnya]

Drunken adults with connections

[@BarbaraBray-im5db]

And don't forget the drinking MINORS who were there or driving!

[@AmberGraves80]

Omg right?!

[@kristijones2334]

It's ok, you wouldn't get pulled over. All the cops are too busy drinking and driving. 😂😂

[@ldyboudica]

I enjoyed my time with Uncle Runkle and then rewatching with you. Fun seeing both your perspectives.

[@matthewa8713]

I watched with Runkle too. He did a great job.

[@London263]

He was great and hilarious!

[@butterbeanqueen8148]

Runkle is fantastic!

[@WatchTashi]

Runkle had me deceased with the "Silica Packet" comment.

[@themonkeypuzzle]

"Alan Jackson's taking Higgins' badge and hanging it on the wall as a trophy!" Love Runkle.

[@meee4217]

Canton: where cops drive drunk, surveillance tapes go missing, and butts dial and Google all day.

[@kristi1604]

Maybe it’s just me, but I’m always amazed how Emily can watch hours of trial and summarize every point immediately after…just WOW

[@ThatRedhedd]

She takes notes, so that helps, but yeah, she does it really well!

[@DaniSouthMS]

The only thing that I know with any certainty is that the jurors definitely aren’t being paid enough to sit through this mess!

[@francescawilliams8177]

After those texts I’d be asking for emotional distress damages. What the hell 🤦🏽

[@JulieRushworth]

I'm hoping they haven't been paid off

[@itsallmyfault264]

​@@JulieRushworth paid off? People serving on jury typically are paid compensation for each day they serve.

[@LawNerd007]

@@itsallmyfault264I think they mean a rigged jury, let’s hope not

[@justinspencer983]

@@itsallmyfault264 yes and most states they’re barely paid at all. They have not updated the jury pay for the modern era. Like below minimum wage, barely enough to pay for gas. They should be compensated more!

[@bethbamberg6694]

every day I wonder how these people think the rest of the world is so dumb that they will buy all these "coincidences"

[@butterbeanqueen8148]

I’m concerned. Because there are many people that think the prosecution is proving their case. I can’t believe they are watching the same trial. If she gets convicted, based on this evidence, we should all be very fearful. It’s not about if i like her. Or even if she did it or not. It’s about this sh*t show of an investigation and trial. Nothing is credible.

[@angelacarl9034]

Absolutely!!

[@karleet]

There’s a lot of lemmings in this world!

[@mini_skinny0296]

In crime shows I always hear cops saying they don't believ e in coincidences.

[@VeniseBroda]

I know! All the butt dials! And those same butt dials by people that were at the house when John died. Suspicious AF

[@sandityche]

At our age (50/53) and having been together since 1989... spice texts are basically me saying "You got a big package" about a delivery & him responding "HEYOOOOOO"... 😅😂🤣

[@Monica-gene1]

😂😂😂!! Yes!

[@ladywytch129]

Exactly 😂

[@DocTJB]

😂😂😂

[@ericapickering8101]

My 2 favorites are “I’m stopping at the grocery store, do you need anything?” and “I emptied & reloaded the dishwasher, it’s running”

[@xoxolovechristielynn]

Exactly! 😂 My husband and I are only 35 but we’ve been married 17 years and anything remotely spicy that we text each other is usually incredibly ridiculous and wacky. This entire group of people shock me with their immaturity. You’d think they were high schoolers, college kids at best!

[@MrsKrampus]

2:27:29. To be fair, Karen took care of those kids a lot while John seem to live his Dad lifestyle, which is not out of the ordinary. She may have felt neglected, OR even worse, a “babysitter with benefits”. 😒

[@katejarman4598]

And while he was off potentially playing around. You can see why she was pissed

[@amandamacabre]

With how catty these women are, I wonder if Karen described herself that way while venting to someone she thought was a friend and now they're throwing it in her face.

[@70s80sVintage]

At this point, the O'Keefe family (who I have major sympathy for) should be EMBARRASSED about the prosecution case and be questioning EVERYTHING from Higgins, the McAlberts, and the police!!!

[@SAHMamaBear]

Who here agrees that the lawnerd community is unmatched! Emily tells no lie when she said she’s the go to person! Do y’all agree?

[@inxine]

shes definitely the only one i can watch of the tubelawyers. it used to be lefalbyres, but after their trouble, i switched to emily, re watched the depp trial and stayed here.

[@darkydoom]

It is quite surprising how many people are just happily driving drunk, and in the snow at that. I live in Australia and there's a massive culture of having a sober driver. To stay under the limit it's 3 standard drinks for a male, 2 for a female, but generally just don't drink, or take public transport or get a lift. AND THESE GUYS ARE POLICE OFFICERS WTF

[@Bibba2727]

Fellow Aussie here 👋 absolutely agree

[@amandaknicely4340]

Our system doesn’t offer public transportation as much as it should

[@butterbeanqueen8148]

@@amandaknicely4340doesn’t matter. Call an Uber. Have a designated driver. That’s what everyone else in the United States does. They feel like they are above the law. Because they are the law, are friends with the law or are relatives of the law.

[@TK-ib7rm]

Unfortunately, in small town America, the law doesn't apply to those who enforce the laws.

[@Christine005]

Exactly. Drink/drunk driving here in Australia is severely frowned upon. Which makes me so judgemental of the people in this trial for their lack of concern.

[@Great_Kate]

Why would he destroy his phone if he had nothing to hide? At the same time as Brian Albert changed his phone, no less.

[@chicagodoll]

So convenient that literally the DAY after the order was denied, he disappeared the phone...

[@stephanieforman9146]

Very very concerning!! Also “why are there so many words” for why he only has screenshots of preselected texts! 🤯

[@LEABEE2329]

Exactly, they either destroyed their phones, or deleted incriminating texts. As police officers they would know that their phones would be forensically tested.

[@francescawilliams8177]

Apparently these police officers don’t know how phone works, butt dials, are very unobservant with poor memories. Drive drunk and have crackheads as friends . I’d be terrified what kind of investigations they do down there and I’m from a third world country. At least ours are just daft and corrupt and we know it and they don’t hide it .

[@ACandRS]

SO SUS

[@MissG85]

The “smoking motive-gun” by the defense today, was not a motive at all for murder. This case is so weak. She had a little flirty, attention seeking, trying to make John jealous text convo over a couple of weeks, because she thought he had been unfaithful - and then she completely ghosted the guy and was loved up with John that night. And then with the butt dials, destruction of phones, BH’s all drunken nighter on the station, back and forth with him and Brian Albert, being in the sally port and clearly discussed the investigation not only with his LE buddies, but all the people present that night, and with everything else the defense has got in about the botched investigation - I’m done. I can’t see the prosecution getting to their burden of proof.

[@katejarman4598]

It was kind of an own goal too because the potential motive I saw was a fight between Higgins and O’Keefe over Karen

[@silikon2]

I *love* it that EDB, Runkle and all the other channels I like went into this as blind as me. It's such a saga.

[@theConquerersMama]

Me too. It really changes the perspective.

[@Lc0522]

There is so, so much more evidence that's not in the trial. Afterwards you'll have to look into everything. It's very worth it. There's reasons this is such a major case & has so much attention

[@zahedah80]

The attention to detail Jackson has is absolutely incredible. All those cross referenced have to be very time consuming.

[@linzertorte4003]

Shout out to Gay Jeff. You’re the real MVP.

[@louem2491]

Asian house: Objection Gay Jeff: I’ll allow it See how silly it all is

[@tylerdurden2520]

You just watched an ATF agent career go down in flames.

[@BlestinTexas24]

Higgins is on desk duty. He looks too old and out of shape to be a field agent. One foot out the door if he can make it to get his pension or wind up in prison.

[@butterbeanqueen8148]

Oh his career imploded on the stand. And he probably took down his friend too. I think this incident is how the FBI got involved with this case.

[@cherylj7460]

Exactly what are you talking about? I haven’t seen him do anything out of line here re his career.

[@blucky1250]

@@cherylj7460he used federal property for his own personal gain. He then went to a military base on cape cod to destroy his sim card.

[@butterbeanqueen8148]

@@cherylj7460 he used federal property to do his phone extraction. That’s illegal. “An employee has a duty to protect and conserve government property and shall not use such property, or allow its use, for anything other than authorized purposes.” He and his friend really are in big trouble here. And it’s probably the reason the FBI investigation was started. It’s a huge no no.

[@sjlar1981]

I can’t get past the fact BA accidentally butt dialled BH at 2:20am ish and then 17 seconds later BH accidentally butt dialled BA back and connected for 22 seconds. All within 5 mins of JMs Google search. Then conveniently BA and BH both rehomed their phones on the same day, which was also the day before the court order to maintain them 😱

[@LeeChrissy]

Amazing that they all don't realize how ridiculous they sound using the same butt dial excuse. I think I may have butt dialed ONCE in my entire life but these folks did it several times in one night. 🤔🤣

[@francescawilliams8177]

That they thought they could say that under oath is questionable as to their thought process

[@csugar100]

Enough for reasonable doubt for sure.

[@MShaiqable]

Whoa! When you put it like that... I hope the defence also puts the timeline into context like that

[@ravenzyblack]

@@LeeChrissy- Jen McCabe seemed to have done it seven times, in ninteen minutes when she kept “butt dialing” John O’Keefe.🤨😒

[@elizabethpassini9271]

17 days and 40 some witnesses in and I dont know 1. How he died and 2. Why they think Karen was drunk. What I do know. Locked cell phones were unlocking and calling each other while everyone was asleep. They continued to call each other the whole next day. Both of those cells were "rehomed" the day before an order to keep them was expected but its completed unrelated. Finally, The video at a police department that would show one of those people was not in the garage when her car was brought in as evidence, is missing.

[@amyellzey8422]

MA should be called the "Show me the transcript" state.

[@auriclerelationships320]

Honestly I didn’t know they had this opportunity

[@hopeandhappiness777]

Also allegedly if a witness doesn’t want to say yes or no they say “I can’t recall”

[@Shangori]

It's a way to get your mind in order. Emotions to calm down and stick to the narrative you want to tell. It's obvious they all remembered it just fine.

[@francescawilliams8177]

And when they are given the said transcript, they try to read more than they should to anticipate the next question and end up being taken to a different timeline so they get confused.

[@inxine]

thars lallgs doing tho, he definitely told them to ask about about transcrips ha

[@tinastime2shine]

It seems obvious to me that they were informed that they were going to get an order about preserving their phones.

[@CNR1405]

I think we heard during BA testimony that there were previous motions denied before it finally was an order regarding phones. They definitely knew it was coming!

[@JamieDoe472]

I wonder if the defense will bring in an expert on statistics to show how unlikely all of these anomalies are to be caused by coincidence? Handing them anomaly, after anomaly. To show how much less likely the coincidence is as you move along. Really draw it out in crayon for the jury?

[@JamieDoe472]

It is ridiculous, not one of the phones from those that were directly involved was not scrubbed in some way. And most of them ended up destroyed. Even without the order to preserve. Though that makes it so much worse. Do they think the jury was born yesterday? I don't know what happened that night, but how do you trust people to tell you what happened in a matter as serious as this, who lie to you like this? Who seem to be allergic to filing accurate reports. They seem to be allergic to accountability, preservation of evidence, proper procedure, designated drivers, and most especially public scrutiny?

[@GoblinsAreAGirlsBestFriend]

My question is why wouldn't they keep the phones even if they had been told they didn't need to, to "prove their innocence"?

[@greeneyedsoutherngirl6468]

They are law enforcement, ohhhh they knew it immediately.

[@tarsi00]

This judge seriously kills the vibe over and over and over

[@NeoNovastar]

i mean, i think she's just being a judge! lol

[@Clarytee217]

I know what you mean 😅 Then again, it’s real life court with real people, not content for entertainment.

[@tarsi00]

@@Clarytee217yes and she’s interrupting when the cross examination is in a rapid fire moment. How do you stop cross examination in the middle of it and have the defense waiting 3 days before finishing. Plus her sighing into the mic. Her saying ask one more question. Or change the topic or whatever it’s like I’ve never seen it like this. It feels like she’s killing the momentum for defense to prove their points

[@JulieRushworth]

Twirling her glasses, swaying her chair

[@inxine]

i think her style is ... odd. we were very lucky with all the case judges we've seen so far on this channel.

[@cosacita]

It’s so shady how policemen sit there and almost downplay the importance of digital evidence!

[@justjenna458]

But they use the same digital evidence to convict thousands of other defendants 🤦🏼‍♀️ the audacity

[@HopeAllison]

Higgins “I was DTF but I couldn’t get a read on Miss. Read.” 😂

[@keighlyhannahan611]

I went and checked my call logs and 90% of the ones I looked at were under 30 second calls….. definitely can have a conversation in 22 seconds

[@mamasaurus564]

Exactly

[@AnnaNotHannah]

I did the same and have many with less than 9 seconds and I'm sure they were full important conversations, where both sides knew what they wanted to talk about and exposition wasn't needed

[@collettepryce3747]

I did the same when this came up, my mum called me asking if I wanted something and I spoke about if she's having a good weekend... 32 seconds, multiple calls to my boyfriend in work to check in are around the same time. You can make a quick call exchanging info at 22 seconds.

[@raventilyndel7186]

Got it.. everyone, including Police Officers were drinking alcohol (and driving) but, we do not know IF the defendant was even drinking alcohol .

[@IreneGrilo-qh5ji]

Yes, we do. She was drinking as well

[@laimanarbute4188]

@@IreneGrilo-qh5ji So far the testimony about Karens drinks was"clear liquid", "might have been vodka soda", "she stole a glass from another bar". Ow..and she said to Karry she was drinking.

[@francescawilliams8177]

No one seems to have seen her going by to get a drink either except the one she came in with. Why isn’t there video of her drinking, I’m a little confused. And even if she was, everyone who came on the stand should have a DUI

[@carolinah2857]

There in not evidence of her drinking at the waterfall but she was blacked out. Sadly that means she had been consuming something that would have affected her memory of the night. Maybe they started early some where, we don’t know.

[@JulieRushworth]

​@@carolinah2857 heresay

[@WatchTashi]

What a total scumbag. He "beelined" it out of there when CA returned to 34 Fairview. He knew what was about to go down, and he let it happen. What a standup guy this Army Veteran, former Firefighter, current Special Agent for the ATF, trained combat medic and, of course, trained observer, is.

[@RozeechildRN]

I think his apple watch data has him walking 80 feet and doing three flights of stairs at around 1221. He was in the house then. BH could've very well been in the house at that time. They believe John was knocked out by 1227. Somehow he has 36 more steps at like 1239 or 1241. We will see in Karen's defense.

[@RedHedyLamarr]

Why would he want to get out once CA got there? I don’t think I’m understanding the connection.

[@raineyj560]

​​@@RedHedyLamarrso Colin can beat John up.

[@kristentrep5038]

@@RedHedyLamarryeah, I agree he’s a total scumbag.. but I can’t see that boy doing all the damage to John all alone! Someone bigger.., and more than 1 person and dog were responsible for what happened to John! Those people behaved like Hyenas attacking their prey!

[@jhart1127]

What's the connection between leaving when Colin arrived please? I'm not following.

[@goosejail]

When the judge asked "Did she ignore you?" I legit died. EDB had no reaction and I am le sad.

[@prisonersdilemma939]

Me too. 😂😂😂

[@salteadog33]

Lé sigh

[@Penguin62778]

Aussie here - Because of these streams I feel like I now know so much more about the law in the US than I do my own country lol wish we eventually have something similar as we have had a couple of interesting trials unfortunately not all streamed live

[@bethlovesthings]

Almost all our trials (in Aus) are audio only records. I like Runkle (Canadian) as their system is more similar to ours than USA is. There is also creators like Hayden (Aussie Over'lawd) that covers news & cases here too. ❤❤❤ Love EDB 💜

[@Penguin62778]

@@bethlovesthings I did watch some of the Bruce Luhrmann here, but would have been great to have had it done like these ones

[@keighlyhannahan611]

Alan Jackson will not be at court Tuesday so Yanetti will be taking over cross!!!!! Amazing strategy for THIS witness. Double bite for defense. Both styles. Long weekend to prep for round 2!

[@francescawilliams8177]

When I heard they would go until Tuesday I thought they have 3 days to dig into his testimony

[@crystalfarmer4074]

I'm hoping they have proof of him on a military base.

[@inxine]

anyone know why ?

[@Caketime2]

I'm trying SOOOOOO HARD to keep an open mind but TWO cops doing this to their phones the exact same way. There's just way too much for this all to be a coincidence and I do believe she was framed. I don't see a way around it

[@spacecadet76]

KR might be involved but definitely the cop side is covering up for something and not in a positive way for KR. So tv drama sequence of events 😮

[@amandamacabre]

RIGHT like if they weren't cops, it would be suspicious, but not weird the way it is here. If anyone should understand that getting rid of their phones is incriminating, I would expect it to be law enforcement and lawyers???

[@靖淵曾]

Exactly. At this point, being open-minded is not enough, you have to be blind to not see how suspicious these witnesses are.

[@sherrigamblin783]

I fee that if there was an argument outside of 34 Fairview in the Lexus is seems more likely that Karen was angry that once again she was taking care of the kids while John did his thing. I don't think she disliked the kids or even disliked doing things with or for them. I think that she may have felt like there were other people who should be responsible before her. And that's OK.

[@hkr667]

You are right and that came up in testimony somewhere, I forget when. Karen called John's brother and sister out for not doing their part in helping to take care of the kids.

[@kimjames9811]

I think that they may have argued about Higgins and Jon called her out for acting weird maybe to make Higgins jealous etc… the niece who was home when she got back still to testify…

[@acovert8241]

Who is raising the two kids now?

[@sherrigamblin783]

@@acovert8241 I don't know. I hope they get the stability that they have been denied their young lives. My heart breaks for all they've gone through.

[@ccjohn14_6]

As Brian Albert would say "exactly ".

[@CourtCarter83]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but this is all just too much. If it was truly an accident, why so many calls? Phones destroyed? It is all so bizarre.

[@myquest666420]

Never understood why conspiracy theorist was a pejorative. A conspiracy is 2 or more people working together to do something illegal. And we’re just supposed to believe that never happens? Conspiracy theorists are proven right just as often as they’re proven wrong.

[@tiffany2943]

Replay crew! Literally 7 min in: Emily: do we NEED to know about his vacation house on the cape? *unpause* Brian Higgins: yes Laughed so loud i gave my dog a fright

[@MimiDidi121]

After Brian Higgins testimony I think it’s just as likely that John and Brian got into a fight over Karen! They threw him out in the yard thinking he’d get up and walk away! From what I’ve heard about his injuries, through testimony, they sound more like an injury or injuries you would get in a physical fight. I think it’s more likely than not that he was beat up than hit by SUV. Why would he have a goose egg over his right eye tail light be busted out? Was he on his knees? How did he get a cash in the back of his head when he was 12 feet up in the yard? I fell in the grass last fall and broke my leg, but I didn’t bleed anywhere! I really feel like this investigation was rigged. I am not a conspiracy theorist and rarely someone is being framed, but I’m believing it more and more with this trial. I realize we’re getting ready to start the fifth week and hopefully there’s more info to come, but if I had to come to a decision on what I know right now, I would say she’s not guilty! If I had to pick guilty party, I would think it would be the Brian’s! Brian H beat the hell out of him, and Brian A helped him drag him out to the yard. JMHO!

[@melissab7777]

I thought the same thing while watching today….

[@oxigen85]

It's wild how it's still the prosecution's case and we more and more don't think she's guilty.

[@cfawcett9870]

One scenario that I've considered is that there was an argument, john got punched in the face, the dog was like, got to protect my peeps and bit him, john fell and banged the back of his head. But who knows because we haven't heard any actual evidence yet

[@Beautifuldisaster16]

​@switchie9762 but, how do you explain all the butt dials, rehomed phones, rehomed dog? A coincidence is one thing, but multiple coincidences? I believe some people in the house (mainly the men) were involved in what happened to JO and everyone else has no clue what really went on.

[@nicoljane3083]

Since yesterday I've thought did he walk out by himself after the fight and they allowed him to without calling for help... We know from Jens 2.27 search he did not die in the house. Maybe they hoped he would make it off their property and any vehicle would get the blame.

[@monkeybizz-151]

So BA butt dialed BH and then BH butt dialed BA?? One being freaky with his wife and the other was sleeping?? Wow! That is some coincidence!!

[@TK-ib7rm]

And don't forget, Jen Mccabe butt dialed John's phone several times on that night as well. I have never in my phone life butt dialed as much as people did in a few short hours.

[@JxArrieta]

Can't wait for the experts to expose them

[@mini_skinny0296]

​@@TK-ib7rm She butt dialed him without her calls going to voice mail. Her butt has skills.

[@AmyMormont]

They could have said the plethora of after 2am calls (after everyone left) was checking to see if their friends/family member got home. In a blizzard. After heavy drinking. Which would be far more probable. Nope! Butt dials! JM could have said she was just calling to see where John was since he didn’t show. Nope! 6 consecutive butt dials! They could have even said they didn’t remember what the calls were about. They had time to think about it and still went with freaking butt dials 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@ravenzyblack]

@@TK-ib7rm- Yep. She supposedly butt dialed him seven times in 19 minutes.😐🤦‍♀️

[@teribirrell]

Wait! I’m replaying this and Higgins just said he’d never been in the Albert’s house before (just a backyard grad party and dropping something off @ mailbox) but later he was in the basement gym 1x?!

[@Marshwife]

I don’t know any cop and or military person that sits with their back to a door or window…ever

[@ravenzyblack]

Right. I have never served in any capacity and even I have enough situational awareness to never have my back against a door. I always choose a chair or a booth away from the windows or the doors and where I can see everything that’s going on around me.

[@OverNoobin]

Replay crew here: as federal employee, I'd catch charges if I did what BH did in this case. It's astonishing to me that he thought what he was doing was okay ... & even more to the point, that he thought the FBI wouldn't notice a random use of this kiosk, or that his key card wouldn't be tracked, or that keeping the phone would've been the best/most natural course of action for an LEO. If nothing else, he shouldn't be allowed access to anyone's private information.

[@LovetheLed]

Maybe that was why his lawyer was standing next to the witness stand like a spotter in the gym 🤷🏻‍♀️💜

[@BarbaraBray-im5db]

"Absolutely " is a qualifier word. Usually the person is strongly lying.

[@annagieraths5219]

that's what i thought about too. especially with the amount of times this phrase has been used, in my recollection almost exclusively, by the people who were there that night. it's definitely suspicious.

[@janetcypher2009]

Replay crew...he noticed the details of the glass she brought, but couldn't see a dead body that should have been on the law per the CW.

[@Quiz261Grl]

That glass comment was ridiculous. He was sticking to the script.

[@theConquerersMama]

A believable answer would be- we frequent these group of bars often enough to recognize the different glassware. Shot I can tell which restaurant some of my friends pics on FB/insta are taken just from the glassware or dishes.

[@sony9705]

Emily's commentary is unmatched. she just always makes me laugh! i love her for that

[@evg70grl]

So true! I listen at my office and laugh out loud ppl I'm sure look at me odd 😅

[@jendemp72]

So true ❤

[@notoriousashley4478]

So true! I tried listening to another lawyer this morning since EDB wasn’t here and I just couldn’t get into it at all 😊

[@SAHMamaBear]

Yes! I’ve watched a few other commentators. They just don’t match her energy. I get so bored or confused watching others. Ima stick to my lawnerd community!

[@SissouLoveVideo]

The "Why are your asses talking to each other ??!" KILLED me ahahah ! She's the best !

[@Caketime2]

The craziest part to me is there IS SO MUCH DOUBT abs we haven't even gotten to the defenses case!

[@Liska78]

I was thinking the same thing! The defense has done an excellent job of using the prosecution’s witness to their own benefit. We are weeks into this case and I still have no idea what the prosecution’s theory is but I definitely understand the defense’s

[@Caketime2]

@@Liska78 I'm really beginning to wonder if Lolly has figured out that they have used him and throw him to the wolves in this case and just throwing the case on purpose

[@Liska78]

@@Caketime2 Lolly seems to have given up at this point lol

[@Caketime2]

@Liska78 im beginning to wonder if he knows they're throwing him under the bus with making him prosecute this case so he's sabotaging it

[@sunrise1201]

The reason why people kept getting rid of their phones is that the phones kept butt dialing, butt answering, butt voice mailing and butt hanging up for no apparent reason. It makes sense!

[@ue9r6]

Quite a lot of coincidences : camera footage missing, phones destroyed, magical butt dials, butt phone calls and butt conversations, cops apparently drinking their weight in alcohol ( and then drunk driving) yet the accused nursing one drink all night...instant onset amnesia and instant memory recall which is different that previous testimonies...if you aren't leaning to innocent, you aren't listening at all...

[@helensmusings]

He was used to massage Karen's ego with a few flirty txts after she felt neglected by John and he didnt believe she would want him. He was right, but sounds like he didnt take that well when they went into the Waterfall all cuddley. I expected the so called flirty txts to be way worse from the way people had gone on. A few might have been, but it was clear they became almost like a diary for her to vent at

[@joygonsalves8840]

Exactly what I thought too

[@theConquerersMama]

His definition of flirty is off to me.

[@kimjames9811]

I don’t think there’s proof that he didn’t take it well.. I think the umm well was just calling her out for playing the two guys. Weak motive for him to go and kill John

[@helensmusings]

@kimjames9811 I'm not saying it is, just pondering possibilities given his behaviour following it. It's entirely possible they had a fight for example. At this point (in the trial i mean) there's no proof there even was a murder. I really wish Lally would get more to the point quicker

[@kimjames9811]

@@helensmusings same if there is useful information lally has I wish he would just get on with it..

[@KellyMorris-x6k]

I want to know who tipped them off about the cell phone search.

[@stephanieforman9146]

Yeah!! It’s 🎣 fishy!! 🤬

[@KellyMorris-x6k]

@@stephanieforman9146 Someone gave them a heads up But we will never get the truth about that

[@italiagirlie]

We all want to know!!!

[@blucky1250]

The feds ..there is an investigation into this investigation.

[@calliew311]

Prob Chief Burkowitz or whatever. The same chief who lives across from Brian Albert and his Ring Doorbell didn't catch anything that night.

[@hkr667]

I don't agree with EDB that KR's comments about the children are that bad. Yes, they will feel bad for the children to hear. But being a stepparent is hard and often very unfair. You get more burdens than joy. From all accounts KR seemed to do well with them, but it puts major stress on the relationship. Ask any stepparent. John's family can be angry all they want but they sure as hell weren't there to do their part. KR was a better parent to the kids than they were.

[@AngelavandenHooven]

Ive heard a really good stepparent say that being a stepparent is the most thankless job but you have to decide whether the relationship is worth it but yiu must maintain being the bigger person and be the adult. Show unconditional love while maintainung strong boundaries of respect.

[@Great_Kate]

Agreed. And it sounds like Karen was being criticized by everyone around John and not being appreciated by him. Jen McCabe actually helped Karen by claiming out loud that John saw her as a babysitter.

[@sad.jackfr00t]

I agree with you. As someone that grew up with a “step dad” figure-he did the majority of the work when it came to parenting me, taking care of the house, getting me where I needed to go, etc. My house was extremely chaotic. My mom has been dealing with depression since I was born and all she did while I was growing up was lay in bed. She went to the important events, like soccer/basketball games and high school graduation, but… that was it. I mean, she showed up more than my biological father did. My “step-dad” showed up more than both of them while he was in my life. He got so tired of my mom not wanting to do anything, dealing with my older sister-who was a grown ass adult with three kids who didn’t graduate high school, never got a job, and hardly ever took care of her kids-and my eldest nephew, who was a demon, no fault of his own though: it was his mother’s fault. Step-parents are the ones who pick up all the slack.

[@helensmusings]

Tbh it sounded like John was too busy boozing to parent while on that trip and that's what caused more arguments then the possible kiss with rhe friends sister

[@MimiDidi121]

She did says she was very attached to the girl. Kerry said the boy was mostly with her and the girl with Karen. I think that it would be hard to have a live-in boyfriend who all the sudden took on two teenagers. You would not have the love for them that he does. you could grow to love them, but it would not be the same. If they were small children and you raise them, you would start loving them as your own teenagers are a whole new ball of wax.

[@sophienewman419]

Funny how Brial Higgins said he couldn’t have a conversation of substance on the phone for 22 seconds yet his attorney said he only needed 10 seconds to talk with him. These people lie so much!!!

[@JoJo-vv9rs]

The drunk driving with these law enforcement officers in this area is off the chains man I can't even believe it it's disgusting and I hope since all of this once it comes out they do something about this because this is just unacceptable in every way

[@alchemistdreams]

And then Karen is the one charged with DUI...

[@ravenzyblack]

I highly doubt anything happened to any of them. Other than Brian Albert retiring, and Brian Higgins being put on administrative leave.

[@blackeyeo0]

My main question how did only one person get a DUI in this whole night?

[@calliew311]

Ya the one we heard wasn't acting drunk and the one we aren't even sure how much or what she has to drink.

[@divinemischief4655]

Yeah, quite. It's ridiculous

[@csugar100]

All the cops were drunk, how could they have issued DUI’s on themselves?

[@Itsthatoneguy371]

Did you hear about the snow that night? I think the prosecutor may have mentioned it… once or twice…or ten thousand times. They didn’t want to have to get out and check in the guy laying in the snow, let alone do sobriety tests and then write a ticket.

[@jackkoba8053]

He was given an office as a courtesy.. per him .. YET he had administrative DUTIES, which entailed snow removal/ car shuffling … makes no sense… he’s not a Canton cop… what aren’t people seeing

[@reneekorabiak2406]

It's also policy for him not to drive work Vehicles while drinking but meanwhile he comes back drunk as a skunk to move cop cars around in the middle of the night of the night of the night in a so-called snowstorm

[@mione134]

Hence why the citizens of Canton demanded an audit of the police department, and it's happening. The people who signed the petition got harassed by the police and council members. It's wild

[@calliew311]

​@@mione134ya especially since the council or whatever it's called there has Brian Albert as one of the seats on the council.

[@mini_skinny0296]

​@@calliew311I thought Chris Albert was in the council, I saw some recording of a meeting, but I couldn't understand well what was the issue.

[@francescawilliams8177]

And if you are that close to the chief why not tell him you are home , drunk and knackered and or move the vehicles before going out . The storm was anticipated anyway.

[@zaniiite]

Someone should open a bar in Canton and call it “Side Bah” 😂

[@JWnunnya]

Only high top tables.

[@celestehutchison709]

That is too funny!!!

[@calliew311]

It would be incredibly popular since all these people seem to frequent bars almost every weekend. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Monica-gene1]

And have drinks named Butt dial, I don’t recall, and Show me the transcript! 🫤

[@zaniiite]

@@estheruthmk 😂

[@oxigen85]

5:36:00 "at that point it wasn't a case" a man died! On their lawn! How did they NOT automatically think that it WAS a case???

[@AndreaHarris-4321]

Emily D. Baker is the GOAT!!

[@WatchTashi]

Higgins has a solid 125-130 lbs on Alan Jackson. But Alan Jackson, the LA Lawyah, absolutely broke Higgins, right there on the stand for everyone to see. Excellent lawyering by him today, snark and all.

[@irishgirlbelfast2088]

💯💯

[@barbyrice3130]

The laws seem to be different in Massachusetts…using federal resources for personal use, solo cups, preserving a crime scene, questioning witnesses, Subpoenaing phones, gps, butt dialing, memory loss.

[@Monica-gene1]

Not to mention the judge!

[@francescawilliams8177]

And question witnesses together at the comfort of their own homes while socialising with lead investigators.

[@lysaoldhams1509]

...only "some" Mass State Troopers required to wear body cams....as per state statute

[@IvySS1]

I’m not an attorney and don’t play one on TV BUT these attorneys have me yelling follow-up questions to certain answers given by these people. Like, if you cant remember having a conversation, how can you “absolutely” know you didnt talk about the topic in question? Come on🙄

[@kayteeoconnell2469]

They’re actually trained NOT to ask that last question, because you never know what the witness will say. The story used to illustrate this was from a mob hitman’s trial, the witness was a concierge at a New York hotel: (Lawyer goes through estimates of how many guests per day, how many per year, how many years guy worked there) So, after seeing hundreds of people every day over the 20 years you worked there, how could you POSSIBLY remember a 10 second interaction with my client? -Because that was the only time in my life someone put a gun to my face and said if I ever told anyone what I’d seen he’d kill me and my family. So yeah, you ask all the questions leading up to the point, but you never ask that last one.

[@aoky9179]

i agree but it also feels plain on its face

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

Maybe Karen knew that John felt like she was just a babysitter with benefits. Maybe he treated her that way we will never know because he’s no longer here. I’m not excusing her behavior however this doesn’t equal her wanting to murder him. What would she gain by it?

[@speedofskaja]

but what would anyone gain by murdering him ?

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

@@speedofskaja I don’t think they purposely murdered him. I think it was a physical altercation and it just went horribly wrong, but I don’t think she murdered him. I don’t think she hit him with her car.

[@michellebarber626]

I want to know why Brian Higgins didn’t respond to Karen Read’s text on January 29 that JOK has died. That’s a monumental statement. It’s also very telling.

[@emmalouiseavis1510]

Yes. I thought the same. Wonder if the defence will tackle this when it's their turn.

[@prisonersdilemma939]

I had the same question. If it was early that day, you’d think he would have responded, but remember she ghosted him and ignored his last 3 texts, so it’s plausible that he’s ignoring her. And if she thought she had hit him at that point, most people in his shoes wouldn’t respond

[@jhart1127]

You have to bear in mind at this point they were thinking she had maybe killed John. Allegedly.

[@ravenzyblack]

Because he’d already talk to Brian Albert at 6:30am that morning. He already knew admit everything. I don’t buy for a second that they didn’t discuss in dissect every minute from the time they went to Brian Albert on the 28th to when they found John O’Keefe’s body on the 29th and after. Both Brian Albert AND Brian Highins are seasoned detectives.

[@ccjohn14_6]

Its convenient BH tossed his phone but printed all these texts from karen only.

[@WatchTashi]

Right? I will love it if they turn out to be manipulated.

[@francescawilliams8177]

I hope they aren’t but we get to see more. Because we suffered listening to them and they turn out manipulated and I’d be mad.

[@prisonersdilemma939]

4:18:00 “Administrative work” is not moving work vehicles. Lie after lie after lie, most small, but they have been common with every witness that was present that morning. The only ones that came across truthful weren’t involved that night or morning in any way. This is the strangest case ever. I was 100% positive that Read was guilty until this guy. His motive is 10x that of Karen. Prosecution made a big mistake with the Aruba witnesses. Read had no motive. She was not married, no kids, and financially independent - she could have moved into her vacant house she owned within a couple hours. Higgins, though, was hot and heavy for Karen. He was ghosted after Read played with his heart and his libido for over a month. The night of the murder, he was texting her, “ummmmmm well?” and Karen didn’t respond. He sat here stewing for a couple hours. He was highly intoxicated at this point. He left the bar early and ambushed John soon after he exited Read’s SUV. I think Brian Albert and Jen McCabe know what happen. The rest know very little or nothing.

[@Jordan-nw4sj]

Karen had one drink, Higgins had 7+ whiskey's before going to work in the snow, and then driving home, drinking more and sleeping on the couch. He has the most motive of anyone so far. The fact that so many witnesses have such extremely questionable behavior in a single trial is wild to me.

[@theConquerersMama]

The most unobservent first responders I have ever come across.

[@mini_skinny0296]

Why would Jen McCabe f*ck up her life and family for Higgins. He is nothing to her.

[@EmmasPlaceUK]

This is exactly what I think happened. I wasn't sold on a cover up until this guy either. I felt there was a chance she could have hit him without realising. I just still don't get why he was left on their lawn. Unless they basically turned him around, said off you go and he just didn't get very far. They cared so little they didn't even realise he was still there.

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

@@EmmasPlaceUK Could he have possibly it Jon with his while on his truck like I’m not talking full on him but like Nicked him in the back of the head? This by far has been the wildest case I’ve ever followed and I’ve been following trials for 35+ years.

[@maryw1761]

Emily you are one of thee hardest working women I've ever come across! You are so damn good at what you do and I think it's safe to say that We appreciate you! This whole day was wild and the afternoon was on fire! Thank you so much for staying late. I can't wait until Tuesday gets here but in the meantime I hope you have a great wk end. And btw i just love the way you and Dr B interact with each other! It's such a joy to see him pop in when he does! See you Tuesday no matter what time of day it is! i'll be eagerly waiting!

[@joygonsalves8840]

I watched yesterday on court TV. I am up early this morning watching again just for EDB. Love you Emily- from Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@alexanderjames5689]

Love how EDB has better questions than the attorneys asking the questions!

[@London263]

I know someone who went to school with the Alberts, he said that family is very shady

[@JulieRushworth]

Tell us something we dnt know

[@inxine]

yeh, criminals is what alot of ppl call them haha

[@68jardog]

I literally feel like Im reading a (cheezy) mystery. Every day I tune in to see what happens next

[@prisonersdilemma939]

Not cheesy, rather a riveting mystery. Truth is stranger than fiction.

[@68jardog]

@@prisonersdilemma939 true..

[@dawnchelle]

5:56:16 this is a wonderful example of when Emily says “context matters” love that moment we all needed it🥰

[@andreacollins3204]

I’m sorry but taking on your niece and nephew is amazing but it doesn’t mean that you are a martyr and a person that walks on water and should be worshipped. Karen seemed like a very lonely woman and no one knows how John treated her.

[@annjanovsky5048]

He admited having several whiskies, drove police vehicles in a snowtorm, routed around in the police station (obviously still intoxicated) and still holds down his job😮

[@jendemp72]

There is so much that makes me question this case so far. All these butt dails, all these rehomed phones, who just throws away a phone? You keep it as a backup or use as a trade in. Last point no one brought up but bugs me is John didn't want people on his lawn why would he get out where he would have to walk across someone's lawn???

[@seaversmiles]

Oh shit, I didn’t even think about that!! That makes so much sense 🤯

[@eirintowne]

This comment needs more attention!

[@ThatRedhedd]

Yeah, he would never have done that. Karen dropped him off at the driveway and then pulled up to text him after he got inside.

[@GoblinsAreAGirlsBestFriend]

I still have all my old phones 🤷‍♀️

[@TK-ib7rm]

Exactly. My father reminds me a ton of John. Neat freak, organized garage, no shoes in the house, etc. We were never allowed to walk on the lawn growing up and all of are friends knew it too. At 43, I still never walk on people's lawn because it is just ingrained in me not to. No way John was walking across someone else's lawn.

[@MoonDragon1]

So far we have no evidence Karen is even drinking alcohol and not much. We know the whole group is drinking and driving in a blizzard as they want to call it. I guess having cops as friends helps

[@celestehutchison709]

Personally, I keep away from having cops as friends.

[@mochibear8933]

I agree. Also they keep mentioning the drink Karen had hidden in her coat. Taking a drink from one establishment to another says you are drinking less and making it last, not more and finishing your drink and getting another.

[@LadyGnomeofthewoods]

I am sorry that I could not watch the testimony with the cringey texts a second time. The cross-examination was fire today. After the trial ended I watched the LawNerd stream in the background to watch EDB's reactions. I am glad the no one spilled the tea in the chat. Thank you for your coverage of this trial!

[@acovert8241]

How do I get the LawNerd stream?

[@LadyGnomeofthewoods]

@@acovert8241 Sorry for any confusion. I just used "LawNerd Stream" to refer to EDB's livestreaming the trial.

[@francescawilliams8177]

I actually skipped the texts at some point during direct because I was suffering from second hand embarrassment. I couldn’t stand it. We didn’t even write letters this bad back in the day

[@bethlovesthings]

​@@francescawilliams8177SAME! I paused to read the screenshots then zoom zoom'd

[@gigisielaff]

One of the weirdest details of this case that I don’t hear anyone talking about much is how everyone cruised to the Alberts after The Waterfall to join the kids and continue partying (definitely the Albert’s daughter was intending to stay the night) yet within an hour (allegedly) people were scattering like flies. Julie turned down a ride from her brother yet caught a ride with the McRaes soon thereafter. I feel whatever occurred was between her turning down that ride from her brother and her exit with the McCraes. Higgins claims he rolled up around 12:20/30 and left between 12:30 and 1.… because he doesn’t… drink beer. IMO there is no way the Albert’s do not have hard liquor in their home. No way am I buying that. IMO Higgins was there longer. They all were. The timing of the :22 call between Higgin’s and Albert is very close to Jen’s “Hos” Google search. Seems likely to me whatever went down was more than likely between 1:00 and 2am. Unfortunately, because everyone seems to be untruthful about the timeline nothing makes sense.

[@AlicesGlass9]

That’s exactly what I’ve been thinking. Also someone got the dog out of the house during that time frame. No one isn’t going to overlook a large reactive dog and act like it wasn’t there. Also the only person who could have tampered with the evidence at the PD would have been Higgins as they would have had their story together by then and he would have had full access to the Lexus to do what he needed to do to keep the story straight.

[@darkwitnesslxx]

What time did the 360 app show Allie McCabe getting home? Since she supposedly had Colin and Chloe?

[@ericapickering8101]

You’ve definitely got a point…if they are responsible, it would have to happen between John’s last phone activity & whenever Higgins key card shows him swiping into the PD building (I think that was like 1:30?)

[@gigisielaff]

@@ericapickering8101 yeah. that is the thing. what time did he get to station? he was asked and said around 1:30, but i don’t recall the defense confirming what time his key card was used. possibly it was later and defense will call time into question at some point.

[@gigisielaff]

@@darkwitnesslxx it’s hard to keep track of all the varying times people have for party dying out. everyone that left the bar to drive to 34 fairview knew a blizzard was coming. higgins arrived then claims he barely stayed 30 mins. Julie Nagel decides she wants to stay longer and turns down a ride with her brother, the albert’s daughter had to have intended on staying the night. the party gets underway and suddenly the albert’s daughter demands her bf pick her up (he says at 2 and he had to be at work by 3), mcrae’s split with julie, colin is picked up by alli, higgins is gone, alberts hop in bed, brian calls higgins at 2:22, search is done around same time. couple of things i feel certain about, the albert’s had booze in their home and everyone had planned on partying it up at fairview during the blizzard. Bam! Suddenly everyone gotta go!

[@jenniferpalin9981]

Coming in half live, half replay. I am riveted by the f*ckery. Thank you EDB for deciphering all the madness for us! ♥️