MA. v Karen Read Trial Day 20 Trooper Bukhenik takes the stand.

[@TheEmilyDBaker]

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[@summerdawn423]

@TheEmilyDBaker the Reads residence is THREE MINUTES AWAY from the Dighton Police Department according to Google Maps. You were pondering this question during your stream so I had to know as well❤

[@helensmusings]

The video of the Sally port, at 5.40.41 jumps to 44 then back to 41 then 45, then 48. That's a classic sign of a closed feed being fiddled with. The frames are out if whack

[@terrarayner8766]

@Emily D. Baker YOU WERE RIGHT!!!! The video is mirrored. The driver is the only person that got out of that vehicle on the side facing us!!! Hiding the people and the tailight in question

[@semmett22]

@Emily D.Baker…😂 love the ” Jugzzed the taillight together” Emily speaking from someone with a Boston Accent that used words like Cohna, etc… I LOVE “JUDZZED”, it’s my new word! TY❤️😘

[@gailkopp5024]

Never bag items together....and items need to be dried if wet...wet items not properly dried destroys DNA

[@bluebell1]

Emily as a retired State Trooper, accident reconstructionist, and ID technician, I can’t believe this case was prosecuted! The chain of custody alone is doubt. The police officers/Troopers are NOT telling the truth! I have testified numerous times and never once showed reactions such as these officers. I tried to be unbiased and I’m done. I don’t know how this poor officer actually died but it wasn’t by Karen Read! Too many unexplained incidents!

[@jrockin9221]

Preach it 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼…. Exactly what the majority feel about this case!

[@LatinaLatina1011]

Thank you for saying this . I have been watching this case since when it first happened. You should see all the hearings in 2023. You will lose your mind with the corruption..

[@misslady582]

I also find it strange that only that one piece of the rear cap was broken. Not to mention the fact that it was in So many pieces. But the other section looks untouched. Seems fishy. Plus the number of times the "crime scene " was left unattended but "evidence " was still collected.

[@angelasandersbooks]

Thank you, @Bluebell1. I'm glad to know many of us aren't wrong about our suspicions. The "investigation" was a sh*tshow of epic proportions, IMO.

[@Tictactoe57]

Thank you for speaking out! Maybe more will speak their truth too. Something is very wrong. Best!

[@jay_ell_ehm]

As an ER nurse, law enforcement trying to make medical diagnoses is rampant. They rarely know what they’re talking about. Trooper B starting to talk about a subdural is wild, as that is not something that he’d be able to observe.

[@foxymama9203]

As a retired nurse, this witness tap danced on my last nerve 😡 He isn’t qualified to diagnose the common cold! His ego did, however, trip him up! He made it a point to call the arm wounds abrasions (blunt force trauma induced abrasions at that 😂) but the minute he took his mind off of concentrating on those words, he slipped and called them what they are: lacerations. I hate that this kind man (from all accounts) and the children he was raising are totally forgotten in the mess that is this case!

[@LatinaLatina1011]

It’s horrible

[@CoffeeWithKayli]

He is out of his mind

[@qlauraq912]

Also ER RN with many yrs Trauma xp and I agree completely that man sounds like a buffoon to anyone with real knowledge. Also, none of the injuries described so far at all correlate to any of the auto-peds I’ve ever seen and I’ve seen quite a few. When he was trying to dx injuries on stand I was screaming at my phone 😂

[@gkd1982]

IKR? ICU nurse here. Lost my mind when he tried to diagnose a SDH based off eye condition! He must have CAT scan eyes. LOL.

[@samshaw1003]

I still cant get my head round how Brian Higgins and Brian Albert went to New York to honour officers they didnt know. Yet John Okeefe an officer they knew died on BA property and they just dont give two Flip Flops. I live in the UK and work for police and this case is an embrassment to LE. As ive watched the trial what did LE etc get right... its so upsetting that John OKeefe has totally lost in all this. 😢😢😢

[@mariaskinnider115]

Agree with you 100%. They have a dam cheek to talk about honour. Either of them they’re a disgrace.

[@CopperRidge]

You hit the nail on the head !

[@disco.heaven]

i’d argue based on the amount of alcohol the people in this town consume and the amount of parties they attend, they could’ve simply gone to NY to party with other officers or friends. but i do think you’re onto something they clearly didn’t give a rats ass about the victim.

[@christinegreen3974]

I think they turned on him and then made it look like Karen hit him. There's something about the Karen/Higgins connection and I wonder if tempers got hot around relationships, a fight got out of hand, and they blame the person in the middle because she "caused" all the issues.

[@Nandrea7627]

John O’Keefe has been lost in the fuckery of this case! I can’t imagine how his family are coping! I’m outraged and heartbroken on their behalf! Poor KR, is imo, the fall guy and I doubt we’ll ever know the truth of John’s last moments! There has been absolutely no evidence presented, to date, that shows KR is guilty !

[@jodagg3982]

In my humble opinion Lally is trying harder to disprove the Defense's interpretation of what happened rather than try the case .

[@Diana-ch8cv]

it doesn't seem to be working, seems like the evidence he put forward today confirms much of the defense theory...the tail light in the video showing KR backing out of the garage to me does not look like it was shattered or look like it was missing so many pieces that were later on the McAlbert's lawn. The only accusation that he does seem to have a (shaky) case for is the DUI...but if the charge is DUI causing death, I couldn't convict on that because I don't believe she hit him

[@joelletaylor8939]

Lally probably wants to head to the West Coast after this trial. Lally is showing Alan Jackson how helpful he is, so maybe he’ll hire him at his firm.

[@birtajonsdottir9910]

​@@Diana-ch8cvI just can't wrap my head around the fact that we watched thensame video and saw completely different things. Her taillight is so obviously broken in all of these videos 🤦‍♀️

[@christinegreen3974]

Exactly! I wonder if he realizes it's a case he won't win but is trying to protect this while family/friend group like everyone else is.

[@shkrjam84]

@@Diana-ch8cvand I’m sure the defense will be able to absolutely shred even just a DUI charge if they have an expert to testify to how wildly the reverse extrapolation can be off for someone with MS, autoimmune disease in general, and/or whatever meds she might be on, or even just how wildly it can be off if she’s drinking at home. So even just DUI is a long shot at this point, because the prosecution’s own expert has already admitted that people will fall outside that normal range of metabolism they rely on, including someone with those circumstances.

[@Zombiecupcake]

I feel like I’m binge watching a show that I was originally curious about now. I’m just trying to get through the rest of it to see how it ends.

[@vee_tinymoose]

Yes! And I’m really just watching for those few characters I still like (EDB & defence)

[@JulieeeB]

Exactly 😭 and you can’t skip any episodes because there might be nuggets you actually need to know at the end of the season. 😭😂😂

[@vee_tinymoose]

@@JulieeeB yes!!

[@vee_tinymoose]

@@JulieeeB like maybe even an explanation of wtf Lally agreed to take it to trial, or whether he’s doing it solo because no one else would touch it??

[@lawnerddownunder3461]

I'm completely invested now. I knew nothing whatsoever on Day 1 of trial.

[@MimiDidi121]

I think the scary thing too, is this case happened almost 2 years ago and proctor is still the state trooper! If he is too reckless to testify, how can he still be on the job?

[@jills9373]

That should tell you everything you need to know about how bad the corruption is in our state. Not only that, butt a couple of months ago the MSP sent him out as the lead investigator in a different murder in Weymouth, MA, despite this. Internal Affairs at the MA State Police didn't even start investigating him until March 14th, 2024(!!!), and only then bc local media had to report it when the defense brought up his corruption from FBI receipts during pre trial hearings. MSP had no choice once this became news to finally give the appearance they were doing anything about him.

[@JamieDoe472]

I can't believe that after the results of the Federal grand jury investigation, that heads didn't roll! I also can't believe that this was brought to trial. That is the one and only piece of Intel that I looked into, that was not a part of this trial. I am glad I did. Up to you if you want to, but I am just blown away that proctor is still on the force. Higgins too. I can't remember if Albert is still on the job.

[@copascribe7472]

But Higgins is on Administrative leave...is MP really still on the job?

[@KylaFuller]

I’d imagine he’s on leave.

[@sad.jackfr00t]

I mean… Massachusetts, from what I’ve seen so far at least, doesn’t seem to care very much about rules, regulations, protocols, procedures, and/or policies. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@Samanthakn]

My first trial with EDB just found my peeps you all are amazing !!! 💜💜💜💜

[@lawnerddownunder3461]

Welcome welcome new friend!

[@Nandrea7627]

You’re very welcome with us Law Nerds. Best chat and Sass on the internet 😁💜 Emily is incredible, she’s uniquely wonderful. 😁💜

[@barbarabannasch3458]

Hello new law nerd friend👋👋👋👋👋. Happy to have you here 😊

[@origamikiddo2625]

Welcome law friend! We have lovely, thought provoking and respectful conversations here and it's wonderful!

[@shkrjam84]

Welcome! This is my favorite place on the interwebs 💜

[@lisayoung3655]

Every time the Judge says you need to speak up I’m waiting for someone to say “I’m trying Judge” 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@justerinthings9686]

Reading your comment, I got a flashback to Elaine "I'm trying, I'm trying" 😂 😂 😂

[@gitx]

@@justerinthings9686saaaame

[@kimk279]

Each time I say, "Elaine, you're mic!" 😂😂😂

[@laurenhartso]

Like what is the point of a mic if it doesn’t make anyone’s voice loud enough to hear 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[@JRay.R]

Isn’t it funny how Lally is very skilled at breathing (/sighing) DIRECTLY into the microphone in preparation for exhaling the word, “objectionnhhhnnnhh” in a very moan-like manner…but cannot, for the life of him, speak to a witness if he’s within arms reach of a microphone during the times we NEED to hear him? 😂

[@bluebell1]

Emily, the irritating thing to me as a retired crime scene investigator is every piece of clothing would be bagged separately! This evidence collection and lack of chain of custody is enough doubt in any case. Thank you for covering this because I would loose my shit if it wasn’t for your calm demeanor!

[@kristyphillips730]

I dont understand the complete misuse of common sense, I'm not a CSI or in law at all but even I would do a better job than these jokers..

[@valb3094]

Just out of curiosity I asked my son (13 years old) how he would have handled the evidence and for him each item should be in separate bags plus change gloves before handling a new item. How they handled the investigation makes me sad for John’s family…

[@WickedWitchOfOz1]

Not a comment contributing to the topic at hand but I wanted to express how in awe I am that you are a retired crime scene investigator. I have always been fascinated in that process and it amazes me how investigators are able to pick up on evidence that doesn't appear to be anything but actually is something. Major respect to you!

[@emmasanders6226]

​@@valb3094Goes to show your son has common sense and a lot of potential for the future

[@hatchet1013]

​@@kristyphillips730every trial I've watched with Emily has made me so delusional. Id be so much better at everything lol

[@MissGrimm]

Here’s the thing that’s getting me. When you see her brake in the Ring video, both tail lights are red. If it was as broken as they said it was (where nearly all of the red plastic is gone) that’s light wouldn’t be red. The plastic makes it red, not the bulb.

[@emmasanders6226]

Agree maybe defense will show the jury in depth

[@niklin8397]

Yup, if the bulb was red the small missing peice would lite up red and not white

[@barbdixon7785]

Former homicide investigator here. This trooper is full of sh*t. You would never go to interview witnesses BEFORE going to the scene, viewing the body. This is utter crap.

[@Anichole2822]

That confused me as well! Why would you go to the McCabe’s house first?

[@KimDinapoli-ut5sz]

Rewatching and just asked in general chat but maybe you know better - if she hit him making a 3 point turn and passenger side started closest to curb, wouldn’t she have hit him with driver side, not passenger? Seems to me she pulls out, starts to turn, and when reversing, driver side is now toward curb. Not passenger.

[@birtajonsdottir9910]

How does any of that make Karen any less guilty? 🤔

[@christinegreen3974]

How much could be a courtesy since they were dealing with other law enforcement officers? Sometimes those connections cause things to be done differently.

[@ImAlxxy]

They went to meet with up with Lead Investigator Jenn McCabe. Seems reasonable to me

[@nikkilovesrocks]

I can't wait til the Defense takes the lead!! I can't wait! I have a feeling it's going to take the cake for Jaw Dropping Moments! The defense will 100% be bringing all inconsistencies to light!

[@Nandrea7627]

Right here with you. The defence asked us to wait for them and I’m gripping the edge of my seat waiting for their case! However, I’m kinda terrified at how badly Lally will conduct his cross examinations, I can only envision a total shit show of epic proportions. 😂 That’s probably quite cruel but I find him quite incompetent as a prosecuting attorney! 💜

[@shkrjam84]

@@Nandrea7627we may end up surprised and that’s where he performs his best. Kind of like Elaine. She couldn’t ask a non-leading question to save her life, but she wasn’t terrible on cross. Still don’t think it matters, but I’m interested to see how Lally does. Defense is going to flame their whole case, if my gut is right.

[@justerinthings9686]

Totally agree! At this point, the Defense has been the truth bringers (IMO)

[@annm9589]

Lally is more concise during cross

[@bethanysage]

My brother told me about EDB only 2 weeks ago. I’ve been watching every day of this trial here now and bingeing the previous 3000 days to catch up. What an incredible community! Emily is amazing and had me laughing out loads at work every day. Lots of Law Nerd ❤❤❤❤❤ from New Zealand ❤

[@foxymama9203]

Bethany, welcome to the Law Nerds! So glad you are here, this community is amazing!

[@emmablackwood2303]

Welcome new Law Nerd friend! 💜 Best channel and chat on the interwebs xx

[@jasl9987]

Emily is the best and this community is so kind 💖

[@Musicislife477]

I found her about three months before the Johnny Depp trial. Her coverage was next level! You should watch her video of Amber Heard being crossed examined by Camille. It’s Awesome! Also watch her reaction to the TMZ guy during the Johnny Depp trial as well. It’s absolutely priceless! 😃

[@Princelover-ip4gn]

Welcome 💜! I love getting perspective from the amazing international LawNerds 💜

[@Johnny-ci8mw]

For anybody wondering, the defense estimates that the prosecution still has 1.5 weeks in their case and the defense will take a week. So I would round up to 3-4000 weeks left 😩

[@Caketime2]

I heard he said 4 days for defense

[@funnytime1111]

@@Caketime2 for this court that is 1.5 weeks 😵

[@madebychristie]

@@funnytime1111 true

[@-OutsideTheBox]

Defence in a position to wrap their case in chief very quickly. Laying foundation for their case and poking holes in prosecution case with every cross examination causing reasonable doubt.

[@Johnny-ci8mw]

@@Caketime2 4 days is a week in this court with the days off and half days.

[@amberbeem4153]

Dr B bringing your coffee and patting your shoulder was just the sweetest

[@SantiagoA.Wright]

This is a great Video. This brings back painful memories which i have been enduring. My relationship of 5 years ended 3 months ago. The love of my life decided to leave me, I really love her so much I can’t stop thinking about her, I’ve tried my very best to get her back in my life, but to no avail, I’m frustrated, I don’t see my life with anyone else. I’ve done my best to get rid of the thoughts of her, but I can’t, I don’t know why I’m saying this here, I really miss her and just can’t stop thinking about her.

[@RoyJ.Tillison-tq5ed]

I am sorry about what you have been through. I have been through something similar and was almost depressed, till I contacted a spiritual counsellor who helped me get my ex back and hence my life back..

[@SantiagoA.Wright]

Interesting. Who is this counsellor, and how do I meet the person?

[@RoyJ.Tillison-tq5ed]

Online, you'll find shelly renee white, revered for her expertise as a spiritual counsellor. She has the ability to reunite couples and promote holistic well-being..

[@SantiagoA.Wright]

Thanks a lot. I just did. Impressive.

[@katharineshade9550]

I would suggest a therapist who has qualifications in therapy.

[@theadhdstitcher]

“I spoke too soon. That questions is crap” 🤣 This is why we love you, EDB.

[@debbieronk8476]

So glad that Jackson went back over what pieces of glass were a match and where they were find and what did not fit together as I totally missed that with direct.

[@GoblinsAreAGirlsBestFriend]

"What, IF ANYTHING, will we learn today" absolutely sent me. IF anything. Chances are we learn more of nothing. This trial feels like soaking a shoelace in lukewarm water and calling it soup.

[@barbarabannasch3458]

When, if ever, will they call a meteorologist to the stand to in fact, let us know for sure, it was indeed snowing, and how much snow fell per minute, and how much , if any, snow actually stuck to the ground…..

[@judyquinlan2473]

😂

[@jsm8841]

Who, if anyone, was driving the ambulance was my favorite 😅

[@julessmithpaints]

@@barbarabannasch3458 😅

[@Lorgy2]

That's unfair we learnt some new information it was snowing and people were drinking at the bar😂

[@dawls07]

***IMPORTANT*** Big glitch 5:24:03 and 5:24:04 during garage closure. You can see between 5:25:05 and 5:25:07 in the Sallyport where there is a glitch of time looking at the three people at the back of Karen’s car. The guy at the front of the video disappears as well. The blue numbers for the second counter are off as well at the same time between 53 and 54. You can see the cut even in the seconds. During the glitch. The seconds continue after the glitch and jump again from 1 to 8 seconds then the video ends. Very suspicious. 🤨

[@sharontriffitt7031]

Good work. Well done

[@tiffanimcmillian3058]

Right like dude disappears and door doesn't even open

[@DocTJB]

Whoa….just saw that. WTAF?

[@deltawoolery1669]

I thought I was the only one to see the blips in the Sally port video!!

[@gwp4eva]

the entire video is also mirrored. the actual taillight in question is out of view of the camera, and Proctor spends a lot of time over there

[@jenjacobs3894]

I cannot watch Lally without falling asleep. He has been amazing for my insomnia. I may be turning this trial on every night I can’t sleep.

[@kelleedunn1707]

😂

[@lornalewis9798]

“Voice like a dial tone” That’s our Lally. Puts me right out.

[@foxymama9203]

Me too! He is better than melatonin 😂

[@jasl9987]

😂😂😂

[@jenjacobs3894]

I can only watch cross while I’m driving. I feel like Pavlov’s dog.

[@allisonsawyer-br8js]

Emily, the things you catch the lawyers doing I would never catch on to. So glad you’re here to explain what’s going on. I don’t know how the jury follows what is going on.

[@jaimec3159]

I’m both embarrassed and horrified that these are public servants in my state!!!! 😡🤯

[@brittanyholmes2929]

It’s so bad that the town of Canton recently voted in a town hall vote to audit the entire police department

[@gitx]

@@brittanyholmes2929as they should

[@Monica-gene1]

lol it’s every state! I still love MA (half my family lives there so I’m biased)

[@hippie9763]

Me too 😞😒

[@Lorgy2]

@jaimec3159 as a person that lives in the state, what the general feeling about the case? I heard somewhere people have quite strong feelings in support of one side or the other

[@JesseWaldorf]

Prosecution: Who is in this photo? Trooper B: That's the guy, the guy that never went in the house.

[@jasl9987]

Omg lol...does he really say this 💀 im just beginning playback

[@JesseWaldorf]

@@jasl9987 sorry no, but is almost that bad in parts. The guy is clearly trying to cover for Proctor, and testify to things he shouldn't so they don't have to bring Proctor to testify.

[@WickedWitchOfOz1]

"When, if ever, possibly this century, I'm kinda asking, wait.. let me go back. When, if ever, will we hear any, if at all, useful expert testimony as to what happened to John?" I am so frustrated haha

[@barbarabannasch3458]

This is priceless 😂😂😂😂😂. I literally lol’d when I read your comment 🤣🤣

[@megmagruder7124]

@@barbarabannasch3458same!!!

[@justerinthings9686]

Lol!

[@lorenamachado5361]

Best comment

[@anitrachere7024]

🤣🤣

[@Shells84]

Convinced this is the best live stream commentary on the internet.

[@Glawnerd664]

Oh my goodness.. he said they take great caution to not alter or destroy any evidence … 😂😂😂. He actually said that without laughing. How did he manage to get out such nonsense???

[@christinegreen3974]

It's kind of an important part of the job! Lol

[@basicallyno1722]

It’s funny because we’ve seen the claim is pretty bullshit

[@origamikiddo2625]

Definitely seemed like a weird emphasis. Like yeah, dude, otherwise why bother taking evidence if your gonna alter or destroy it? Would make more sense to say contaminate, so we wear gloves and don't sneeze on it, etc.

[@alexkasper5029]

The thing that I keep coming back to is how many things Karen said on that day that are honest to the point of making her look bad. I can't imagine someone who purposefully hit her boyfriend with her car going around to everyone saying "did I hit him? could I have hit him?" She also did not hide that she was drunk the night before and was candid about how the kids were a strain on her relationship with John. If you had something to hide why would you say those things? On the flip side everything we got from the Albert/McCabe/Higgins has been deceptive in some way or another. I just keep thinking that if they had nothing to hide then why are they being so weird about phone calls and text messages and whether they were ever looking directly at the lawn, etc. There are a lot of pieces missing but one side is being much more transparent than the other.

[@Jts449]

I agree. I can't wrap my head around what is happening here. One thing I keep thinking about that Karen said was to John O'Keefe's sister in law regarding "I'll never speak to you again" or something like that. I guess I don't understand why she would say that at that point. Really other than that, this case against Karen just doesn't make sense to me. But I also don't understand the theory that someone beat him up. A dog attack is most reasonable to me at this point, especially given the photos of him. Sad all around and I wish for justice and peace for his family and loved ones.

[@khastanien3476]

@@Jts449 This is pure speculation but if her mind was going into overdrive during the early morning hours because of John's death and then being forced to go into hospital for a psch eval...if she didn't feel welcomed by John's family, she might've been overthinking to the point of "now that the person that connected me to this family is gone, they will turn their backs on me." Especially since we've heard that John's mom was angry with Karen in a phone call earlier that she left John alone at Fairview in those weather conditions. Here's a possible chain of thoughts: "John is dead" > "I can't take care of the kids on my own" > "wait we aren't married, so I wouldn't even have custody of them" > "if I don't take care of the kids, John's family won't have any reason to speak with me anymore" > "but John's sister-in-law and I got along so well!" > "Does that mean she'll never speak to me again?"

[@dawls07]

Yeah, she also was frantic and doing cpr on him to save his life.

[@Jts449]

@@khastanien3476thank you, this actually makes a lot of sense and wasn’t on my radar. I appreciate it!

[@rachaelleann9847]

exactly my thoughts and what I cant get over

[@GoJediJulie]

So clear that Proctor collected pieces broken out of the taillight after police took possession of the car. The pieces were all or mostly all in place at 5am according to door cam and witnesses.

[@RuatheSidhe]

As it pulled into the Sally Port I could definitely see parts of the red taillight that allegedly weren’t supposed to be there.

[@Creature_of_Knight]

I've been thinking the same thing! The puzzled together taillight is basically the whole light cover. The other women testified to a crack or small missing piece. I think they would've described it very differently if the whole frigging thing was gone!

[@charlii73]

@@RuatheSidhe Agreed! There is a definite red "glow" on that tail light. If that many pieces were missing it would shine bright white

[@origamikiddo2625]

​@@RuatheSidhewas that the side we could see though! I'm so confused. I thought it was passenger side that was damaged, isn't that what they pointed out in tow truck video? So it wasn't the side we could see when it pulled into Sally port, right?

[@lizzimmermann7164]

How much do I love EDB? I sat through that testimony at what felt like the speed of a drunken glacier.

[@christinegreen3974]

I couldn't take it after a couple hours! Emily did her best to keep things moving and keep it interesting.

[@origamikiddo2625]

I love Emily so much, but I cannot with Lally. I take a break during that time and maybe come back for cross. I love LYK and Alyte's recaps to tell me if there is anything interesting I missed then I will go back and rewatch, like I did with Higgins and the texts. Lally is just frustrating me so much. If there is relevant info he doesn't emphasize it at all so my brain hurts trying to follow. Cross helps me see what matters, even from prosecution!

[@hnraj9441]

I'm watching it all. Emily helps so much. I'm also watching recaps on a few different channels for more commentary but Emily & Runkle are the only people I could wade through every tedious moment of Lally with. I feel so bad for the jury. I can't imagine watching this in silence, unable to move or multi-task or discuss it with anyone.

[@JulieeeB]

And if we feel this way with commentary, imagine how the jury feels. They just have to sit there and can’t zoom zoom. 😭

[@Shells84]

😂 drunken glacier lol. That’s original! ❤

[@esindirik4447]

I don't remember getting more outraged while watching a testimony EVER!

[@oct2182]

When we went back to the bar footage and he started asking about the layout AGAIN I almost screamed

[@jennilesbarr]

I actually DID scream 😱 !!! I feel your pain loud & clear over here in South Lake Tahoe

[@zxy78267]

I have never seen a murder case where a police officer answered questions about the cause of death or injuries sustained to the victim.

[@ravenzyblack]

Right. He’s not an ER doctor. He’s not a nurse. He’s not an EMT. He has no business making these statements.

[@lisaduggan691]

Re: the several days of Proctor "finding" giant red plastic evidence, weeks later... those are the exact same days Defense asked (pointing out) the professional evidence collecting, grid-making guy, if they ever requested his team to Search the scene again. His answer was of course, No (only asked that one time, in darkness, with lots of snow).

[@deltawoolery1669]

I'm looking at the video and still photo of KR leaving BOK home. Most of the taillight was there glowing red when she presses the brake. The so called "cracked or broken" area is so small as to be almost not visible. So, how did they (Proctor) eventually find 47 pieces of taillight at the scene? Especially those large pieces? The precious Crime Lab lady was able to put together all the pieces to make almost a whole taillight!! Something smells in Canton MA.

[@Fifi_Is_My_Name-O]

very good point

[@daisygirl1027]

Seeing the victims clothing was heartbreaking. When he put those on that morning, he would have never known they'd come off and be displayed like this 😥

[@foxymama9203]

Broke my heart, especially because he seems to have been forgotten completely in this farce. He deserves so much better 😢

[@marymaclaren9553]

How on Earth can we be 55 witnesses in and the prosecution has proven nothing of value for their theory, yet day after day help prove the defense theory? Rhetorical question, but good lord.

[@marymaclaren9553]

@@RenataKleinRK Defense asked for the same continuance as well, yet they are doing a fine job at poking holes. Someone in the comments here a while back, even before EDB voiced it, posited the idea that the prosecutor has been too focused on disproving the defense's theory at the expense of proving their own theory. Also, I just noticed your username. I finished season one just a few weeks ago!

[@Melody-st4df]

Prioritising The Post Office Inquiry here in the UK. So I'm here with the Replay Crew. Thank You Emily for Acknowledging Us !!!!!

[@lizzimmermann7164]

This sounds interesting! Can I get a cliffs notes?

[@Lorgy2]

​​@@lizzimmermann7164a computer system called horizon was installed to do the accounting, it had a number of what we now know to be errors which the post office were aware of which showed accounting errors. Postmasters are responsible for making up the difference if the books do not balance or they can't continue operating. People got into debt paying back the money which appeared to be stolen due to computer errors. Others disputed it stating there were issues with the accounting programme. People who didn't pay back the "lost" money were prosecuted (700 odd people)and some went to prison. There were many other awful things that happened. There is a good dramatisation Mr Bates v the Post Office that covers the scandal

[@amandamandamands]

Who is covering that, cause that it went on for so long before someone figured out what was actually happening is next level

[@Cymraesarall]

I hear some embarrassing emails came to light

[@jo4vt]

💜Thank you for doing these live streams Emily! 💜

[@monkeybizz-151]

I believe, Jen McCabe initiated all of this. Karen’s misfortune of calling the wrong person that morning. Lemony Snicket’s coarse of events when Jen found out her taillight was broken.

[@rachaelleann9847]

100% facts , Proctor was told all that stuff and instead of investigating, he just took it as facts and went with it. smh

[@jills9373]

@@rachaelleann9847 no, he is close friends with the Alberts where the party and poor John's body was found. Proctor's mother in an old Facebook post called the Alberts their 'second family.'

[@hickers73]

What baffles me is how residents of Canton refer to the awful weather like it was in happening in the South. Surely they see this snowy cold weather each and every winter 🤔

[@lilolmecj]

Yes , they are acting more dramatic than Northern dwellers normally do in reference to cold and snow.

[@evilqueenyiayia]

Happens every winter 🥶❄️

[@kiki-dm8cv]

It was 24inches total accumulation that day.. even for those of us who live in the northeast that's a whole lot of snow to fall. Stoughton the towns right beside canton received record snowfall of 30 inches between friday night and 8pm Saturday. It was actually a really big storm.

[@kiki-dm8cv]

This was the second largest amount of snowfall in a second day recorded in history in Massachusetts. Living here all my life I can tell you it was a really bad storm.

[@kiki-dm8cv]

Oops single day

[@A_girl_named_Joey]

For me, the tow truck video proves the coverup. How does the rear taillight plastic end up back at the Albert residence if it was on the vehicle when towed from the Read residence to the Canton Police station?

[@rachaelleann9847]

I know right and its there clearly when shes leaving to go look for John, she never even drove that car back to Alberts house, Jen did!!! so how tf would it got there ?? just no way. unless she did it, and proctor planted the evidence to nail her so to speak, either way, that's wrong , so so wrong.

[@susanjay7347]

More like Commonwealth’s Law Enforcement v Karen Read!

[@bonesonstones1]

They seem SO fucking determined, it is absolutely mind-boggling. I can't imagine what that feels like for Karen, to have this entire PD trying to make you the villain.

[@thecumaeansibyl]

Yes, this entire trial thus far can be entirely… and I would submit to the court… better understood by only listening to the cross examinations

[@SweetBabboo13]

Definitely true....I actually skim through Lally's questions, just for the purpose of hearing EB's perspective. Then I watch the defense.

[@thecumaeansibyl]

@@SweetBabboo13 precisely! Brilliantly done! :)

[@whocaresreallly5886]

But hiw would we know it was snowing

[@ahumenik1]

I am so annoyed that he keeps saying Mr. O’Keefe. Shouldn’t it be officer. It just seems disrespectful

[@Mountaingoat4234]

It's due to a ruling in a hearing before trial. They are to refer to him as Mr, not officer. My speculation is that it could be prejudicial to the defendant

[@leo95630]

That’s a shame. But at this point the LE behavior seems to separate JOK from them.

[@origamikiddo2625]

I was gonna say, we heard something about it in a hearing. I can understand trying to not constantly refer to him as an officer cuz if there is anyone pro police (or skeptical even of police) it might caused bias one way or the other. I'm ok with that more than calling him "the body" or " the guy".

[@ShoalBear]

I have NEVER seen shoes so clean except in the store!!

[@TheCARL7777777]

I thank you for interrupting all the time to clairify what’s going on, without your constant interruptions I’d have no clue whatsoever what they’re talking about, thanks so much.,

[@shauneida1]

She has seen this evidence numerous times and has probably sat through so many videos of depositions and/or mock trials that it may not hit her the same way it did the first time it was presented to her.

[@evilqueenyiayia]

They can't establish a clear chain of custody of the evidence, because there wasn't any. 😂

[@Kokomo365]

What is the tire size of Karen's Lexus SUV? If they are factory P285/50R20 it would take 7.6 rotations to travel 62ft. The onboard computer allegedly stored a 24mph reverse and distance traveled of 62ft, but no location or date. Tire Diameter = 31.2" 1 revolution = 98" 62x12=744/98=7.60 Spinning on snow/ice could easily account for this.

[@copascribe7472]

I think you meant, "What, if any, is the tire size..."

[@rachaelleann9847]

dang that's somethin else, another reason why I cant wait for defense!!

[@rachaelleann9847]

@@copascribe7472 lol

[@foxymama9203]

Great observation!!!!

[@Songbirdstress]

@@copascribe7472 Trooper B, in your expert opinion, what was the chemical composition of Karen's tyres on the night of?

[@MLA56]

NOTHING -- not even the DUI -- stacks up in this case. A BLATANT cop coverup. Obviously it's endemic how they do business.

[@lindseystein9676]

Boston pd especially does have a reputation for being crooked

[@FLMegan]

Not that brilliant.... bc clearly it obvious they did it. Just took a case coming to court.

[@Songbirdstress]

Even the Dui doesn't meet beyond reasonable doubt standard. Blood test wasn't done to forensic standards. So no starting point for calculate back.

[@zebratroopfan6695]

Unless she admits to guilt there is no way I would vote guilty. Second a investigation needs to be made into the conduct of everyone involved in this investigation

[@origamikiddo2625]

Granted it's outside research, but if the homes on Fairview have ring cameras and some homes on the route KR could have taken home and some businesses in addition to the library.

[@tiffanimcmillian3058]

It is. the FBI is investigating.

[@deltawhiskey1998]

Has anyone else noticed that John stirs Karens drink for her each time she gets one? It’s not just the one time she gets an extra shot poured into it, he does it from the first drink on. It demonstrates care, and it’s definitely not something someone does for anyone they’re fighting with!

[@katharineshade9550]

4:04:57 your compassion for the victims and their loved ones (especially the kids), and not losing sight of that, is one of the things which makes this channel such a standout. ❤

[@ravenzyblack]

I feel sorry for the kids, but I also don’t forget the fact that they can be easily manipulated because they are so young. Everyone around them is claiming that Karen hit John with her car, but no one actually witnessed this. They are stating it as if it is already a fact, when it’s not.

[@Fifi_Is_My_Name-O]

Ooooohhhhh! So not only were tail light pieces collected on a bunch of different dates (by Proctor)... but how is it that the first guy that went out 5 days after the murder, and several days before Proctor's 'first visit', didn't find these huge pieces of red tail light... if you compare what the first guy found (lots of smaller pieces, including CLEAR pieces) to what Proctor supposedly found, how did the first guy miss those huge pieces?? It's pretty suss.

[@dawls07]

Because those pieces were never there during the search the evening of the 29th by the cert team. Proctor kept the rest of the pieces big and small in his fanny pack and entered them into evidence for the next three weeks. Should have planned it out a little better Proctor.

[@kaitlin4u]

@@dawls07I think he went and got them from John’s house when he realized on video she actually backed into his car.

[@CoffeeWithKayli]

Yeah the whole team of guys SIFTING the snow somehow “missed” 6inch pieces of bright red tail light. Do they think we’re stupid?

[@TXN4JC]

@@dawls07Did Proctor really have a fanny pack full of f***ery? 😂

[@dawls07]

@@TXN4JC 😆 yep!

[@jonnyreb3032]

i noticed that when the vehicle backed out of the guarage three taillight light pattern was symetrical. If the red cover was missing it would not be so. 5:55:20

[@jonnyreb3032]

Additionally there is a lot of red light on the back driver side of John O'kefe's crossover when she states forward with her foot on the brake

[@lawnerddownunder3461]

Karens car CLEARLY hit Johns when she was backing out the garage. Ive replayed it countless times. Her car rebounds when she stops, contacting his car.

[@RuatheSidhe]

We need “Keep Your Voice Up” merch.

[@JaimeUsey]

And.... WHAT IF ANY.........

[@Malanigaming]

I appreciate how you explain what’s being shown. I typically listen to the trial like a podcast while at work.

[@Ashgypnell]

The time stamp at the end of the sally port video jumps from 46:52 to 48:08 where it then counts from 48:08 to 48:15 where the video then stops. However, what’s on screen in the video freezes during the time jump and while those last 7 to 8 seconds start back ticking. So the last basically 2 minutes of the video are missing and the footage is frozen and then the video ends. There was another jump where basically almost the entire minute from 42:00 to 43:00 is gone on the time counter but the video is still playing thru the missing time (there’s no jumps in the video that would indicate 25 to 30 second periods going by twice). The one at the end where 2 mins just disappear while the screen is frozen, then the video just happens to end is deff the more sketchy of the 2 for me. If nothing else it absolutely seems like a crap camera that shouldn’t be used for a reliable timeline. 5:23:53

[@emmasanders6226]

Motion activated cameras will skip if the camera does not detect any motion so defense will need to know the distance the camera is set to detect. I'm sure they'll get their experts in to give us this information

[@blakebamf]

The tail light when Karen reed pulls out of the driveway looks exactly like it did when put back together with the missing pieces

[@MeganSpruce90]

Looked nearly identical! Weiiiird how that works, huh? Lol and how Kerry and Jen both said the light was cracked? Or had a crack in it...then all of a sudden at trial they said it was gone? SO Weird..

[@Ashgypnell]

@@MeganSpruce90right? At trial, after having already attended 2 others (grand jury’s) where they would have seen most of the states evidence and would now know what the state says it looked like instead of what they originally said they saw….

[@MeganSpruce90]

@Ashgypnell right?! And it's stuff like that which makes me think they're hiding something? I'm not on a particular side...I could see anything happening, though I don't think nearly what the prosecution is alleging, or charging her with... the more they put on, the sketchier this seems!

[@khastanien3476]

@@MeganSpruce90 nah, Kerry was still saying that she only saw a small hole in the tail light. So small that when Karen had her panic attack wondering if she could've hit John, Kerry told her "no you didn't, you just bumped against something" (I'm paraphrasing). Jen is the one of the two whose testimony changed to "get back" at the harrassment/public outrage she and her family received after their text messages were released.

[@MeganSpruce90]

@@khastanien3476 oh okay, I knew at least Jen said it (and changed her testimony) but wasn't sure on Kerry.. I know it was definitely not a big deal at the time. Only until later

[@Helenpilmore]

9am Thursday here in Adelaide 🇦🇺. Home sick has worked out we'll. Thank you EDB for keeping it fun ❤

[@treecycled3706]

The Lexus being driven into the sallieport is remarkably clean for being driven on a flatbed over 30 miles. And what is all the snow from in the port.. looks like a snow covered vehicle had been there.

[@SweetBabboo13]

In the Sally port, none of them are wearing gloves when investigating the car (e.g., opening the car doors). Idk...but should they? EB--- ur channel is the best. U seem to b someone who would b a great friend to have. 💙

[@sallycinnamon5370]

If people are driving in the passenger seat where we know John was at least some of the time…it would be so easy to get his DNA and transfer it to the exterior especially if the looked at the bumper at any point.

[@rachaelleann9847]

@@sallycinnamon5370 yup

[@sallycinnamon5370]

@@rachaelleann9847 I totally didn’t realize the video was flipped. Point stands though.

[@MLA56]

So Emily, as a native Tennesseean myself, pray tell me how a Memphis or Nashville Metro cop is gonna come into a person's home the next morning and arrest him/ her for DUI??? Not in a million years. The "murder?" Yes. He was killed. Accidentally in a drunken brawl with another cop at that house...

[@diecho8543]

Memphis here. I thought she was admitted to the hospital per section 12 bc her father told paramedics she was a danger to herself, and blood tests were done on her to see if there was something in the bloodstream to change her behavior.

[@christinegreen3974]

Completely agree and I suspect it was about Karen and everyone felt fine about blaming her because she wasn't part of their crew and the conflict was her "fault". Everything with Higgins seemed off.

[@ksjmward1998]

She was driving that morning, so DUI isn't necessarily a stretch for that morning imo, but there are too many variables to prove DUI at the time of the accident.

[@ravenzyblack]

@@ksjmward1998- ALL of them were drinking the night before into the early hours of morning. Even Colin Albert, a 17 year old MINOR at the time. Brian Higgins drink at least six whiskeys and then went to the police department to move around police cars, all while intoxicated. Then he went home to drink some more.

[@ksjmward1998]

@ravenzyblack I completely agree, all of them were likely over the limit. I hope a standard DUI charge isn't allowed as one of the lesser charges for consideration as you don't have an 8 week trial for DUI

[@philcapernaros7815]

None of the forensic testimony matters until they can establish a clear chain of custody, or lack thereof.

[@mazarky2]

My experience with tow truck drivers some take pictures once they have the vehicle loaded that way driver cannot be accused of damaging it while in transport. The light is not gonna turn red if there’s no red lens to show color.

[@sallycinnamon5370]

Not all drivers.

[@jennilesbarr]

Who else is looking forward to The Behavior Panel to analyze some of these witnesses' testimonies??!!!

[@Steve-YT383]

So many baseline changes

[@busybee4436]

The last few days of this trial have been so sluggish, tedious, monotonous, etc that I just watch Emily's summary or quick bits. I simply can't watch in real time.

[@origamikiddo2625]

I know, I can't either. I've been enjoying LYK's recaps and Alyte cuz they play clips of testimony. I don't mind watching the crosses usually to, but I just can't with Lally

[@Kai-here]

Trick to that is watching replays at 1.75 speed. 2x if you can manage 😁

[@Sophie11957]

Big huge thanks Emily your such an amazing person,i salute you 👏 Much love from the 🇬🇧 brilliant coverage 👏 💜 ps John Okeefe,Karen Read # ⚖

[@beteljuice6629]

The more this Case goes on the more I question why we're here. What could have possibly made them feel like it was a good idea to try this case? Canton has unraveled itself and shown how corrupt it can be and they could have kept getting away with it if they hadn't gone after this poor woman after a tragedy

[@BethFed]

Karen killed him and will possibly get off. She lucked out that he died on the lawn of a sleazy cop

[@origamikiddo2625]

​@@BethFedhi Beth, if I may ask, what is the convincing evidence for you that prosecution has presented so far? Cuz I'm struggling with any. And what I hear from outside court evidence (which I understand why some of it isn't presented) points even more to what defense is saying. I knew nothing about this case before trial but have done a bit of reading outside of it. Interested in your thoughts, thanks!

[@hnraj9441]

@@BethFed Also genuinely wondering what evidence has convinced you that she killed him?

[@Ashgypnell]

Here’s the thing for me, even if they ever finally show some evidence that can beyond a reasonable doubt point to her being the one who hit him, I think they screwed up royally uping the charges to intentional. With everything we’ve heard and seen so far about that night I do not see how they are supposed to get anyone to a point where they believe without a shadow of a doubt that she hit him on purpose with the intention of taking his life.

[@beteljuice6629]

I'm going to guess the beth person is a troll

[@jaywinner328]

If they can't get her on hitting him but try to get her on drink driving alone, they will look like the biggest hypocrites as the whole town apparently drinks and drives.

[@SusanHigginbotham-o3b]

Buckle up tomorrow will be AMAZING Emily it’s going to be a BIG can’t wait

[@fictionjunkie]

It feels like Lally was trying to pull a fast one with the glass on the bumper and the broken drinking glass. As far as I can tell the glass on the bumper is irrelevant to the "accident scene".

[@mickeyobrien8092]

From Pittsburgh Pa. Home of the great Steeler Nation

[@judyquinlan2473]

I do agree that there's no way for a car to drive past that spot (or come out of driveway with lights on) and miss him lying there. Especially the plow. Highly doubtful he'd be missed

[@toddmurphy523]

I live in Michigan and think it is hilarious everyone keeps calling this a BLIZZARD. That is every other day here in winter. A Blizzard is where you can not see a foot in front of your car with HORIZONTAL snow blasting at 70 to 80 mph with complete whiteouts while on the road.

[@jills9373]

which is exactly what happened here later that day when 2 feet of snow fell. It was just getting going around the time John's body was found.

[@ravenzyblack]

According to the police dash cam video that’s not true. You could clearly see outside. It wasn’t a total whiteout. Also, as the police car was pulling up to 34 Fairview you could clearly hear Karen Read screaming.

[@toddmurphy523]

@@ravenzyblack What exactly isn't true? Or are you replying to the reply above yours?

[@ravenzyblack]

@@toddmurphy523 - I was replying to the post above my own. You are correct in what you posted.

[@jills9373]

No, it wasn't a whiteout at that time. As I said, the storm was really just getting going at around that time poor John was found. Conditions deteriorated as the day wore on when again 2 feet fell. I live/d here and can attest to it.

[@nikkijohnson4933]

Replay crew 2nd half. Thanks EDB

[@Ludachrissy]

Trooper Yuriy sure is incredible to somehow be a qualified officer, an qualified medical expert and an expert as to “what, if any” impact was made on to a vehicle from a review of a ring doorbell video… I am pumped for cross! 6:06:48

[@Tictactoe57]

Why in the sallyport video is the overhead door have a backwards number 4 and the writing on the vehicle in the forefront has backward writing?!? Why?!? The video appears reversed. Which means we’re looking at the drivers side. ?!? Something hinky going on here.

[@shweefranglais7900]

100 %. Also with the drinks; it isn't clear some of the "shots" claimed were actually bought or whether at one point I thought she was transferring a lime into a glass and then helping to clear up. I didn't see shots at that point. They glossed over the receipt. I only heard two vodka's itemised.

[@auriclerelationships320]

GOOD CATCH!!!!!!!

[@gwp4eva]

I honestly think Lally didn’t notice. he played the video because he thought it clearly showed nobody touching the right rear taillight. he was going to have Buchanik narrate who was where and what was going on the whole time. then the defense pointed out the mirroring on sidebar and so Lally just had the video play without commentary. Proctor spends an awful lot of time at the actual taillight…cross is going to be a field day!

[@jpmegara]

The driver got out that side!

[@birdie7018]

I know I’m late but also if you look at the curve where the windshield wipers cleared snow from the front windshield. It’s clear that we are looking at the drivers side

[@Elleffe]

On Trooper Bukhenik, it’s obvious that Proctor was the one calling him Trooper Bukkake behind his back when talking about his boss to his Albert/McCabe friends and now Trooper Bukhenik knows it too, after Jennifer McCabe’s testimony 😂😂😂

[@deltawhiskey1998]

It was Chris Albert’s wife, (Julie?), who called him Trooper Bukkake, not Jen McCabe. She is best friends w/Proctors sister tho, so if Proctor had a nickname for Trooper B, she would likely have heard it.

[@TheSusieTom]

I had to Google the term 😮

[@susanlprince]

Lally - unable to keep his voice up, so jurors aren't hearing any points he may make. Lally - causing the air conditioning to be turned off = jury hate. Lally - taking forever to present a case. And not much of a case. He has to be ticking off the jury.

[@Jz14809]

Thank you!

[@melonyjohnson3470]

We once drove hundreds of miles in a torrential downpour with a Penny on our running board. Don’t ask me how it stayed there.

[@kaitlin4u]

As someone that works in insurance claims I am 100% positive that she backed into his vehicle in that ring footage. At approx 5:55:21 - 5:55:22 if you look close enough and zoom in you can see his vehicle slightly move. If you pay attention you can also see her vehicle come to a stop BEFORE her brake lights came on indicating it stopped because of the impact. I am MIND BLOWN by this. The defense needs to get an expert on that video stat because they would literally be able to prove impact. This is WILD. The scrapes on her bumper are also 100% consistent with striking another vehicle. When did they “find the taillight pieces at the scene”? This makes me curious if Proctor saw that video and realized the pieces would have been near John’s car? I’m just mind blown by the fact that the prosecution knows this video exists and still took this to trial. What Jury in their right mind would be able to convict her without a reasonable doubt with a video of her damaging the taillight 🤦‍♀️

[@emmasanders6226]

I am convinced the strategy is to acquit her but make the public believe it was her so the true assailant is never pursued. They just stop investigating because in their mind she did it

[@Greeneyez10961]

Also the video did jump like 25 seconds or so as they were at the back of the vehicle getting ready to set the caution tape. It jumped from 04ish second to the 30 second mark. I wonder if that’s what they have issue with???

[@nicolaevans6478]

You definitely have a skill for making the complex simple. I am in awe. Your notes must be thorough as your summaries are top notch ! I love listening to you. Super talented and funny to boot ! ❤

[@sussngardner5059]

Thank you! ❣️

[@HillaryMarides]

I love my purple Tumblr. I got it a couple days ago. I’ve been having smoothies in it every morning.

[@whegotsa8874]

the chapters help so much. replay 💜

[@Littleorangecats]

5:32:54 he flat-out lies. The person he identifies as himself is the tow truck driver.

[@JulieeeB]

“Sir you are pissing me the fuck off right now.” 😂

[@vee_tinymoose]

The smirk on trooper b’s face when EDB paused at 3:29 says a tonne

[@KimDinapoli-ut5sz]

5:21:38 look at all the red still in place there on the tail light though! When the lights are on you don’t see a big white spot/light.

[@mickeyobrien8092]

Just wondering how you can be charged with a DUI day/days after you’ve been drinking. Even the next morning. She wasn’t pulled over by a police officer????

[@TheGdav0202]

The police officers were all drunk too it seems . . . . .

[@lilolmecj]

It is very unusual, in fact my understanding has always been a situation of needing to be caught in the act so to speak. Now, if you start to drive, realize your mistake, pull over to a safe space to sleep it off, and leave the keys in the ignition, they can still come along and cite you, that I do know. Which makes me wonder about the implications of push button starts.

[@Gabriel-hf1yy]

Karen should have said I had a couple of drinks in the morning when i knew John didn't make it home...

[@sallycinnamon5370]

@@lilolmecjI think being in the drivers seat is often enough…even without keys in.

[@sallycinnamon5370]

@@Gabriel-hf1yy If she was trying to cover her tracks with lies she could have.

[@hazelangus]

This forensic tech is brilliant. They turn to the jury to explain, they smile at them, they know what they are talking about, and they are very upfront if and when they don't understand Lally being Lally.

[@MLA56]

Retrograde extrapolation? In over 20 years I never heard of it used except on corpses.

[@origamikiddo2625]

LYK talks about using it for defense cases, it seemed like for different purposes. I can't get over than if KR has any alcohol between 2 and 9am then it would throw everything off. And I really believe after they found John's and she went home she had a drink or two to settle her nerves.

[@jeannehood1222]

They did this with my BILs DUI.

[@Shells84]

You are brilliant Emily. Thank you for such great observations

[@forrestfey]

How do you miss a 20 cm bright red piece of plastic, day after day? And how many days where Proctor looking for red plastic, and was that normal?

[@sarahschultz6648]

The car lights turn on at 5:42:45, and imo the light is looking pretty red. I’ve seen smashed review lights and the lightbulb is bright without a casing, and it wouldn’t be a red light. It even looks like you can see the light strip shape the casing makes

[@dawls07]

Funny they didn’t turn on the light or the car lights when backing the car out. 🧐

[@marypeck887]

Well i know we are viewing this as jurors but i just heard Proctor is on a Brady list as his prior and current investigations are also under review. This is why Lally doesn't want to call him. Hes so tainted it will tank the whole case!

[@ravenzyblack]

To anyone with eyeballs it’s obvious Michael Proctor compromise the whole case from the moment he went to the house on 34 Fairview.