MA. v Karen Read Trial Day 4 Morning - Katie McLaughlin, is she friends with Caitlin Albert?

[@alexandrawhite6931]

MA healthcare worker here and it is drilled to us that if you don’t document it, it didn’t happen and to write every note as if it will end up in court. Literally ingrained no matter where you work if it’s not in the note it did not happen.

[@mistymyers1574]

I have a medical records degree. If it's not documented, it wasn't done...PERIOD.

[@Funstuffkid30.]

Medical here! This is absolutely true.

[@SandyKnauerMorgan]

Retired Medical records technician and QA coordinator here and that’s what in-house legal counsel and JCAHO said, also.

[@matthewmarshall349]

Absolutely. The amount of direct quote chart notes I've read from trauma nurses over the years is astronomical. At the very least, "Suspected auto vs ped per EMS verbal report" should have been in the record.

[@BiKai15]

I was telling my coworkers about this case and one said "the fundamental rule is if you didn't document it, IT DIDN’T HAPPEN"

[@pinkymingo7]

McLaughlin’s testimony feels evasive. She was very detailed in telling what happened on scene then magically just doesn’t recall anything….

[@chelseaoconnor3261]

Yeah it felt very much that she was trying to distance herself from the Alberts because she knows how bad it looks. I have to trust that the jury picked up on that and also sees how cagey she’s being about her relationship with them.

[@nobbee]

That seems to be the theme with these people who were at the scene that night. Very sketchy.

[@LostAndSortaHighVibes]

Separating the time of the thumbnail by color (Pink for morning, Blue for afternoon) makes this so much more accessible. Thank you EDB and mods!!!

[@ItsMissShorty]

Yes! I zoom zoomed through Alex Murdaugh trial with EDB, finishing up on Monday, just in time for KR trial to start! But it was SO hard to track through the playlist, with near identical thumbnails, a few missing sessions, and in reverse chronological order. Clearly differentiated thumbnails, like this, would’ve made it SO MUCH easier!

[@Johnny-ci8mw]

I don’t know much about the case, but the prosecutor referring to the deceased body as “it” multiple times makes me extremely angry, especially with HIS family in the room. Instead of asking “where was it located?” ask “where was John located?” or “where was the victim located?” From the opening statements and on, it really sounds like the prosecution doesn’t even care. Why even bring the case if they don’t care?

[@annamelvina216]

John O'Keefe was the victim, but yes! Agree completely.

[@Johnny-ci8mw]

@@annamelvina216 omg I fixed it. There are so many Brians, I got confused 😔

[@LovetheLed]

Officer O’Keefe was an active member of a different PD. He should be referred to as the victim at the very least!

[@chelseaoconnor3261]

Emily has speculated on this, and I have to say I agree. This feels like the prosecutor was told that he was bringing this to trial regardless of how he felt about all of it. I have never before seen a trial with a prosecution that was this scattered and seemingly apathetic. Times where an objection feels like it would help, but there is none, even times where the judge seems to prompt the prosecution to object rather than them doing it themselves. Defense on the other hand is clearly passionate, and very particular about when they object and how they ask questions. I understand they have more rope on cross than CW has on direct, but the difference between the rambling what if any questions is stark.

[@kellyp136]

Emily is right. It's not the photos themselves, it is her answers that casts doubt.

[@evilqueenyiayia]

Wait till you see it 😎

[@caitewinters1786]

The photos look like they are definitely friends

[@platedlizard]

I don't think they are friends, I think it looks like a senior class trip. I went on a lot of class trips in high school with classmates I consider acquaintances, not friends.

[@lexala]

There are photos of them hugging in bikinis.​@@platedlizard

[@nitpickersheadliceremoval3805]

@@platedlizardI had brain surgery I forgot many years of life i graduated 23yrs ago I can tell you exactly who I went in the school trip photo with 🤔 that’s what confuses me the most

[@rodzquilesbetsy1169]

Replay here!! I've to tell you that 3 decades later, I still remember those trips with school groups (acquaintances & friends). The fact that this young lady couldn't remember a single thing was sus. She could've stuck with her narrative of being acquaintances and still say, "Oh, yes, that was the trip of so and so, but she was with so and so" rather than that amnesia!

[@AlongTheNarrowWay]

I don't remember opening statements. My takeaway so far: it was snowing and the first responders can't agree on what they heard.

[@annamelvina216]

Or what the victim was wearing.

[@ItzMzJulez2U]

And that the perimeter around the fire house is called the apron!! 🤷🏻‍♀️😉

[@Maddieelovesu]

@@annamelvina216one shoe

[@TheInsaneEraser]

The defendant was very distressed.

[@leslie3933]

I’m guilty of watching this type of content for entertainment (and love it), but I cannot imagine the actual terror of being a defendent in a criminal trial whether I was guilty or not.

[@annm9589]

That is why it is so important, guilty or not, that defense has an advocate on their side. The defense team has done a good job thus far for their client IMO.

[@ItsMissShorty]

This crosses my mind often! Karen Read looks utterly beside herself with stress and terror. I have so much empathy for ALL defendants, guilty or not. But as I’m leaning towards framed, and definitely not guilty, at this stage, I CANNOT IMAGINE how she feels. YIKES

[@rebekahmanning7934]

And this is exactly why every single person needs to read "you might go to jail even if your innocent" by the lawyer in charge of the California innocence project.

[@danyellmarie1061]

the scariest part for me is that if she is found guilty THIS judge is over her sentence 😥 the bias is absolutely appalling.

[@topoisomerace]

Well put. Weeks of discussion and she can't participate in most/all of it. It's almost cruel in how much of a passenger she is in this process.

[@sayleeso6288]

Thank you Emily for when you pause to explain/make commentary instead of talking over the witnesses.

[@leslie3933]

Watching with Emily really does make you realize how much stuff you would never pick up on or realize is important. Makes you wonder how much the jury really gets.

[@vebarnid]

I will not watch trial without Emily - she makes it all make sense and I’m trying so hard to keep myself from deep diving on this case

[@TheCarolinaAsh]

Yes! I very much prefer the pause.

[@luci-ferre]

I don't mind the occasional talking over witnesses and I think Emily chooses wisely when deciding if a pause is warranted. For the most part.

[@007nadineL]

Agree

[@valb3094]

The defense was great today. I found the witness to be very slick, remembering what KR said but not when she was on a beach trip. I wouldnt trust a word coming from her.

[@_x_CupCake_x_]

So true, she conveniently remembers every minuscule detail… down to who was standing where and who was wearing what. But cannot remember multiple trips with high school friends??? Even with several photos to jog her memory??? Suspicious 🤨

[@pagejames8754]

To be fair, the call was many years more recent than high school trips

[@hathhath2444]

You remember every high school get together with friends?

[@2centswanted113]

Yes especially since we are still friends and discuss it. Even if she doesn't with Ms.Albert she apparently is no longer friends with anyone from highschool in a small town. ​@@hathhath2444

[@Karools_Scribs]

@@pagejames8754the trips were after high school. As recent as at least 2021 if I recall correctly.

[@bridgetlloyd2001]

I am a part of 2 large friends group. We get together 4 to 6 times a year. If I was asked about the photos, I could tell you approximately within 2 years as the photos. She is trying to distance herself from that family.

[@KKonYouTube]

Exactly!!!

[@pagejames8754]

Right. Not remembering a date 10 years ago is one thing. But not recognizing a beach you've spent your whole life near? Not believable

[@platedlizard]

It depends on what's in the photo, if it's just sand, people, and water I don't think I'd be able to tell you what beach it was taken on. But if there was a sea cliff or stack? I probably could. But I definitely wouldn't be able tell you details about a beach trip I took ten years ago unless something really remarkable happened

[@--Dasha]

@@platedlizardThings like what your hair looked like, what clothing/swimsuit you're wearing, what beach towels you're using are giant hints too though. Especially for young women. There are tons of context clues to jog a memory when there's a literal photo. She's just SUS af and that was obvious before these questions with her tone and attitude.

[@imembarrassedtobecommentin1166]

​@@--Dasha i disagree - as someone who has largely had the same hair cut for the last 15 years and puts little into fashion, those things wouldnt be clues to me. I think the same would be said of someone who changes their hair every couple months and buys a bunch of Shein fast fashion - once you surpass a certain threshold, its all forgettable. For me, the questioning feels like an old person who doesnt understand how flippantly young people can use social media.

[@ItsMissShorty]

This crosses my mind often! Karen Read looks utterly beside herself with stress and terror. I have so much empathy for ALL defendants, guilty or not. But as I’m leaning towards framed, and definitely not guilty, at this stage, I CANNOT IMAGINE how she feels. YIKES

[@lynndiehl8126]

Ik it terribly hard to watch her fear.

[@moriordan85]

She has Crohn's disease & MS as well Imagine how hard it is on her

[@ItsMissShorty]

@@moriordan85 I cannot even begin to imagine, but I feel deeply for her

[@calliea3336]

@@moriordan85So, assuming she will be found not guilty, this trial will still probably cause permanent damage to her body, if not end her life prematurely…just when I think this frame job (what I am strongly leaning towards this being) can’t get any more despicable!

[@ninijellybeanie6853]

@@moriordan85oh no!!!! Stress can cause horrible flare ups!!! People who have MS need to be careful with managing their stress. I believe she is innocent.

[@CPAries0404]

He had to keep PRESSING because the witness’ testimony keeps EVOLVING

[@KKonYouTube]

Agree 100%

[@platedlizard]

Eh, memories always change.

[@mistymyers1574]

Replay: What I remember from opening. Karen Reed was framed. Why did no one come out of the house with all of this going on in their front yard?? Officer Proctor isn't reliable.

[@007nadineL]

*I HIGHLY REC. KZbinR / FORENSIC EXAMINER / BOOK AUTHOR / PAT BROWN'S EXCELLENT ANALYSIS RE HOW KAREN IS PRETTY GUILTY LOOKING.* .....

[@katchristensen4211]

​@HosLongTilItHitsFan Or it could be for the fact that Brian (head of household and Boston Police Officer at the same Police Department that Officer John O'keefe) had injuries from a fight? Perhaps a black eye or something (this isn't a fact just giving a possibility)

[@andreab2789]

You know that one witness avoided called her a friend saying "I wouldn't call her a Close Friend" Not "I wouldn't call her a Friend" She kept on repeating that over and over again.

[@vebarnid]

Also there’s no way she doesn’t know whose house that is given that we all know that they did indeed have a bigger connection than she wants to admit to

[@andreab2789]

@@vebarnid So true, the touchy wording and how she pauses IMO is just a bit SUS imo.

[@platedlizard]

Eh, what's the difference between a friendly acquaintance and someone who is a friend but not a close one? They went to the same high school and she said they had mutual friends, does that mean they are friends of friends, friendly acquaintances, or loose friends?

[@austencourpet]

She says that she hit him and they don't put her in immediate police custody or bring her in for questioning? And where the hell is the other shoe? Maybe in the house that they didn't search?

[@platedlizard]

Possibly they thought it was an accident initially (and I'm not convinced it wasn't tbh). Dunno about there but in my neck of the woods snow=ice, which does not mix well with cars. They likely thought she was saying that as a result of a weather related accident. They didn't know how long he was lying there after all, for all they knew it just happened.

[@nobbee]

And where is his coat. I mean no one asked if he had a coat on when he left the bar. I would imagine he did in a blizzard, but the coat was not on when he was found in the snow. Can you believe defense didn’t ask any of those 15 witnesses @ the waterfall if he had a coat on inside or outside? I guess he did have a jacket on but not much was made by defense of what happened to it. I don’t think defendant is big enough to remove it from him in an unconscious state. So that means he went into the house AND TOOK HIS COAT OFF! The shoe was probably in the back or side yard outside the fence. If they had even walked the yard they would have found it.

[@pinkymingo7]

I just have to share: I’m sitting on my screen porch swinging bed with a light rain eating popcorn and watching EDB in court….I am a very happy girl! 💜💜💜

[@pollyharveypolly]

This sounds heavenly!

[@breanneclendening6957]

Jealous!!! That sounds beyond magical! lol im attemping to catch up whild melting in my hot AF apartment sweating my ass off 😂

[@SandyKnauerMorgan]

I am 70 yrs old and if you showed me a picture with friends on a beach from high school I would remember. Does that mean I am exceptional?

[@annamelvina216]

I'm sure you're exceptional, but I don't know if it'd be for that reason. 😂 I think her memory is just exceptionally bad.

[@lizzimmermann7164]

I’m 42 and a friend of mine posted a picture of the two of us getting ready for a dance and I knew immediately which year and what dance it was and we got ready for every dance together. I don’t believe her at all.

[@platedlizard]

I'm 44 and if I was shown a picture from high school I probably wouldn't remember much about it. Not everyone has detailed memories. There are some people who can't even "see" their memories at all, if you asked them to picture a beach in their mind they wouldn't be able to do it. I "see" vague shapes and colors, I don't see detailed memories like that.

[@morganbrooke193]

I agree! It’s a picture with over 20 people. No way you forget that lol different if it was a couple friends at the beach. A lot of planning goes into getting over 20 people at the beach

[@007nadineL]

What if it was a photo you'd never seen before?

[@R32Copper]

I want to keep watching but is is absolutely INFURIATING watching corruption and a coverup happen in real time and knowing that nothing can be done. Our justice system is so broken, I don't think it can ever be repaired.

[@silikon2]

But there is a federal probe underway right now. You can bet they got some folk watching these witnesses quite closely. Some if not all of the witnesses know this and I wonder if it's making them nervous and carefully parse their answers. I'm sure I would be (who wouldn't).

[@lynndiehl8126]

Yeap

[@NottyAries]

They say the community is divided over this. I hope the jury is truly partial and she's found not guilty. But ... I don't have faith in that.

[@CharlieLynne-143]

I really wish the judge would actually stop helping the common wealth and not allowing the defense to do their job and actually let KR have a fair trial and have due process. She actually had the audacity to lodge and objection and sustain it before the Common Wealth said a word.

[@shkrjam84]

@@CharlieLynne-143I will say, I don’t mind her admonishing the witness again that they don’t want him to guess. He’d already been admonished once or twice not to guess from previous objections. But yes, her bias is so evident. And omg I can’t handle her heavy breathing and signs on the hot mic. What a disgrace.

[@ChristopherMichael180]

The last few days were like a stove struggling to ignite, but today we’re finally cooking!

[@noodlesmom01]

Agreed!

[@TheCarolinaAsh]

Yeah I'm just getting to that bit and oof. I'm awake now! Of course it was always the prosecution that made me doze off so far anyways.

[@Erin.Kendall]

That defense attorney is a master. Love watching him work!

[@nightowl8548]

Every time Alan says "trooper proctor " I hear "chupacabra" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@annamelvina216]

Now I'm wondering if I'd rather meet Chupacabra or Trooper Proctor alone in the woods (like that man vs bear question). I'd rather meet Chupacabra...

[@nightowl8548]

Truth!

[@pagejames8754]

Surprised the closed captions don't hear that, they're awful.

[@caitlinwith2eyes]

Oh thank God I’m not the only one

[@basicallyno1722]

I laughed out loud reading this

[@MzWriteNow]

213 people graduated from Canton, Mass HS in 2014

[@KKonYouTube]

Whaaaaat??? That's teeny!

[@mione134]

​@@KKonKZbinCanton is a small town. Everyone knows EVERYONE. The police force is being audited because of their behavior in general

[@leahbaker7010]

And Catilyn and Katie both graduated the same year. That doesn’t mean they are close friends. I find it weird Katie, as a firefighter/EMT doesn’t know the police officers. Like Brian and Kevin Albert? It’s laughable in her career she doesn’t know who they are.

[@DefinitelyNotAnAthlete]

Everyone knew everyone in my school. We had 6 people in my graduating class; 3 males, 3 females. The year I graduated there were only 84 people from K-12 and the funny thing is the other 5 people were just acquaintances to me; we never hung/hang out

[@PickledSweets00]

I can look at my high school yearbook and I remember less than half the people. There were about 300 in my graduating class. I know we went to a specific park for senior class day. I remember playing putt putt with a couple friends. There are people in pictures with me that I don't remember. Maybe it's because I don't consider high school some big thing in my life, it was just something I had to get through. A better question would have been "do you have her number in your phone?"

[@kathleenamatangelo3713]

Canton Cover-Up Part 13: Brian Albert’s Daughter Who Allegedly Left House 3 Minutes Before John O’Keefe Arrived Is An Investigator For Attorney General’s Office

[@shadoejones3288]

Wish I could give this a dozen thumbs up ! Thank you

[@susanhassey2711]

Whaaat??

[@pbentsonable]

Hope this is brought up in trial

[@platedlizard]

Ok and?

[@enigma_-_79]

And? That proves nothing.

[@ThatRedhedd]

Witness Katie McLaughlin (a Canton Firefighter/Paramedic) graduated from Canton High w/ Caitlin Albert in 2014. When the Defense brought up photos of McLaughlin socializing & being in the same friend group w/ Caitlin Albert, Lally objected to the jury seeing those photos. Judge Cannone sustained. This jury is being deprived of any knowledge & evidence of the many ways in which the Alberts had their hands in this investigation. *Kevin Albert, Brian Albert's brother, arranged Katie McLaughlin's interview* w/ MSP Trooper Proctor _AFTER_ Canton PD was expelled & Massachusetts State Police was assigned to investigate instead (due to a _conflict of interest_ with Kevin & Brian's relationship). Kevin was conflicted out & then spoke to the witness - which could be called "witness tampering!" This is the _ONLY_ witness who claims to have heard Karen say she hit John, and she happens to be biased - yey the judge doesn't want the jury to know that! In fact, she prevented them from knowing it, and they must instead infer the truth solely from Jackson's unanswered questions of McLaughlin as to who arranged her police interview. This is a violation of Karen Read's rights & prohibitive of a fair trial. A man was found deceased on Brian Albert's lawn, and NOBODY in his home at the time was ever investigated. The home was never SEARCHED. Trooper Proctor's text messages to friends revealed that the Alberts _wouldn't be investigated_ because Brian was "a Boston cop." The corruption has been *_displayed on a silver platter_*

[@alexandrawhite6931]

They were so hell bent on figuring out what happened but never occurred to ask the people whose house he was outside of

[@platedlizard]

Photos from a class trip ten years ago, and nothing more recent, really don't say much to me. The jury doesn't need to see them tbh, it's not related to the case. If the defense had been able to find something much more recent I'd feel different.

[@moriordan85]

​​@@platedlizard The defense dropped the ball and didn't understand what they were looking at. The "social media friends list" They showed of Caitlyn Albert that had this firefighters handle on the friends list isn't from Facebook it's from Venmo where she only had 108 friends She also graduated 10 years ago but was friends with her all throughout highschool so they've been friends for longer than 10 Yrs & that photo wasn't a class trip it was a spring break photo

[@Always_Thinking]

​@@platedlizardThe picture AJ was referencing that was blown up was Caitlin Albert with her arm around Katie. She was holding a beer from a special campaign from summer of 2021!

[@matthewdekker6064]

@@platedlizard I've heard from some other commenters that they both would also attend parties together and both were on the track team (and in a class with only a couple hundred people in total, the track team probably doesn't have too many people on it), so it's a little more than just one picture of a class trip - which someone else mentioned is actually a spring break trip, which, if true, would most likely make them pretty good friends, though I guess it depends on how many people went on that trip. If it was like 50 people, there's a chance that they could just have some mutual friends, but if there's only like 10 people, I'd say it's pretty likely that all 10 are pretty good friends with each other. I didn't watch the trial today, but someone also mentioned that there's a picture of them drinking and hugging each other - though that may be the same "class trip" picture. If it was a high school class trip, I doubt they'd be allowed to drink like that. Edit: just noticed Always_Thinking's comment that the beer/hugging picture was apparently from 2021. If that's true, then she's definitely lying.

[@mistymyers1574]

Replay: She sure does have a bad memory. I'm not sure I'd want her to work on me during an emergency.

[@ryderc3141]

I grew up in this area and canton is so small everyone knows everyone and all their business especially if you went to school together, this girl is full of shit.

[@ladybugspritz]

and for her to be a first responder in it all and for her father be a first responder?! there’s no way

[@hayhobbitful]

Replay crew, I’m at about 1:05:25 now: Everyone’s memory is different, but I ALSO graduated high school in 2014 and when I see photos from outings in high school, I remember what happened/*generally* where it was or what’s going on in the photo. At the very least, I can estimate when it was taken (“around grade 9 or 10”). AND if it was only one event (aka a beach day), I’d DEFINITELY remember. On the other hand, if it was a picture taken in my high school friend’s basement where we had sleepovers every few months, I’d have a harder time pinpointing a specific event.

[@KKonYouTube]

But you'd know it was highscool vs AFTER highschool or after college. You'd know that you wore that one dress in highschool not as an adult.

[@stephroblejo]

Yes! I graduated in 2004 🫣 and if someone showed me a picture of me 15 yrs ago, I’d know at least where I was and an approximate time! And I don’t have a particularly great memory.

[@platedlizard]

@@KKonKZbinidk I had a t-shirt I wore constantly from age 14 to my mid 30s when it finally disintegrated, if you showed me a picture of me wearing it with no other context I would have a much harder time pinpointing when it was taken. (Aside, they don't make T-shirts like that anymore 😭)

[@AngelavandenHooven]

I graduated in 08 and I also remember everyone abd where we are...

[@007nadineL]

What if it was a photo you'd never seen before?

[@stephanietexas1325]

To me as an outside party, Katie seemed very biased and evasive. Like you would expect from a close family member not an EMT

[@shrekislove1509]

It was pretty funny that she admitted her story evolved then denied admittingly the story evolved which is another evolution.

[@heatherrollins4636]

I don't see this the same. She wasn't asked those specific questions. So if she was now asked more specific questions, her answers would evolve to be more specific.

[@platedlizard]

That didn't strike me as inconsistent. If you asked me whether I saw a black dog yesterday I would have yes. If someone else asked me if I saw a grey dog yesterday I also would have said yes. The dog I was an either a black dog going a bit grey or a dark grey dog, and I couldn't get closer to tell more because it barked at growled at me. That is not my statement evolving, that's the second questioner drawing more detail out of me by asking different questions.

[@shrekislove1509]

Are you people lying or just not paying attention? She literally agreed with the defense that her story evolved at 38:52 with "ok, yes" and then denied the admission at 1:37:04.

[@DuneKat]

It’s frightening how one family (Albert) can command a town of 23,000 + people .

[@matthewmarshall349]

I can name towns that size in rural GA that have been controlled by a single family for at least a century.

[@DuneKat]

@@matthewmarshall349 thanks for adding that Matthew. I’m sure there are many towns in America like this and corruption is rampant everywhere in this day and age. It’s heartbreaking. ❤️‍🩹

[@DuneKat]

This witness has absolutely been coached. It does not take a rocket scientist to see this. These two women are not just acquaintances Caitlyn Albert and Katie. They are way more than that.

[@yvieart]

Sure feels like that ​@@DuneKat

[@Scapegoated_Soulmate]

From a town about that size and yes- there are a couple influential families here - so I can EASILY spot the corruption and framing as to if/how it could happen!

[@saanak7421]

What i remember from the witnesses is there was snow. Not enough snow on the body for it to have happened way earlier. It took a long time to get to the hospital. Theres a flagpole somewhere. And the wailing of the defendant.

[@podunkcitizen2562]

God Save the Commonwealth! As a Massachusett resident boy, do we need saving!

[@DonnaAnnDeFelice]

Right with you there-Connecticut!

[@whyamiheredlb]

I do not care if you are my friend, my colleague, my boss or in my community… I will absolutely not lie for you or on your behalf, especially if there is a murder or dead body involved. And if this is the way local first responders conduct themselves, that makes me physically sick.

[@colleenfletcher2550]

McLaughlin and Caitlyn Albert were on the track team together, pictures are in the yearbook. It was shared in the comment section. There was 213 graduating in 2014. At 28 McLaughlin should have remembered the trip, hugged and drinking beer.

[@dannsherstone1037]

The Prosecutor has had a huge reality check; the Defense has prepared in detail for possible advantages. Katie said she knew "a" Kaitlyn in an obvious effort to pretend ignorance. If she had just admitted she knew Kaitlyn the rest of her testimony would have tracked and felt logical. The Defense was ready, just in case, all it took was that one little "a".

[@MC-lb2nr]

So far I only believe one witness. I remember Rob saying 80% of witnesses lie, this might end up higher. Holy smokes!

[@annamelvina216]

The young paramedic who said she just repeated "He's fucking dead."? That's the only one I believe.

[@pagejames8754]

Well 100% of people lie, so that tracks

[@jessicacortez4301]

I came into this knowing nothing about this at all and if I was the jury I would be completely confused with the Prosecutor and I would have thought this lady was lying completely

[@KKonYouTube]

Same AND same!!

[@ThatRedhedd]

*Kevin Albert, Brian Albert's brother, arranged Katie McLaughlin's interview* w/ State Trooper Proctor _AFTER_ Canton PD was banned from the case & Massachusetts State Police was assigned to investigate instead (due to a _conflict of interest_ created by Kevin & Brian's relationship). That is *IMPROPER!* When attorney Jackson asked McLaughlin about this on the stand, Lally objected & Judge Cannone sustained. McLaughlin graduated from Canton High with Caitlin Albert in 2014 in a class of 213. When attorney Jackson brought up photos of McLaughlin socializing & being in the same friend group with Caitlin Albert since 2014, Lally objected to the jury seeing those photos. Judge Cannone sustained. This jury is being deprived of any knowledge & evidence of the many ways in which the Alberts had their hands in this investigation. The judge is withholding evidence of the witness's bias from the jury! The _ONLY_ witness who claims to have heard Karen say she hit John happens to have been friends with Brian Albert's daughter for over ten years - and the judge doesn't want the jury to know that! In fact, she prevented them from knowing it, and they must instead infer what the true facts are solely from Jackson's unanswered questions of McLaughlin (a Canton PD Firefighter/Paramedic). As Jackson stated for the record, this is a violation of Karen Read's rights & prohibitive of a fair trial. I remind you that a man was found deceased on Brian Albert's lawn, and NOBODY in his home at the time was ever investigated. The home was never SEARCHED. The corruption is *_staring you in the face!_*

[@shadoejones3288]

FINALLY! yes, yes, yes, I have been screaming this and more for a while now! Proving the defense case AGAIN !

[@melz3671]

She sustained the picture, but their relationship and such does get to come in, right?

[@RP_76]

Well this is fascinating, thanks!

[@matthewmarshall349]

The judge has her own personal connections to the Alberts and refused to recuse herself. There's no way for KR to get a fair trial in this courtroom.

[@tatertotter808]

BUMP!

[@Mortibella]

BRB. Going to clear out my friends list of random HS people from my class of 130 that I haven’t spoken to in 10 years. Just in case. That being said, her original answer was cagey.

[@platedlizard]

I'm so glad I didn't have Facebook back then lol and I've deleted mine Facebook account years ago. I'm glad I have a habit of purging all my social media (except those account) every few years.

[@technigeneric]

What's easier is just not giving deceptive responses while under oath in court. "Do I know Caitlin Albert? Yes, we went to high school together and loosely socialized. We're friends on social media and have taken multiple pictures together on social occasions." Why is that so hard to say? And when is "there was a person with that name at my high school" a reliable response? She was coached to distance herself from Caitlin, 100%.

[@Karools_Scribs]

@@technigenericthe evasiveness was strange. Especially because they’ve hanged out as late as 2021 that I know of. There’s nothing wrong with attending to a medical incident that ends up being connected to someone you know, it’s avoiding admitting it.

[@Karools_Scribs]

Not just went to high school with, but socialised with as late as 2021

[@technigeneric]

@@Karools_Scribs Oh absolutely agreed. They were pictured only 8 mos before John's death at a baby shower. I've never heard of a 100-person baby shower w any "acquantances" in attendance.

[@KateForTheLolz]

I feel like I would remember if I hung out with someone I have mutual friends with “more than 10 times” and I’ve been out of high school longer than her.

[@limner123]

I'm much less concerned about someone young in the age of social media being in multiple "look how much fun we're having" pics with acquaintances, than I am concerned with "I went to school with someone with that name" leaving out "who is related to this case."

[@MM-ci6tc]

Yeah I think she would have been better off letting them admit the photos because I think the jury would understand it's not abnormal to have photos with people you lost touch with. Parsing herself and distancing herself to this extent seemed far less realistic

[@jpmoney8794]

I’ve been looking for a comment like this. I graduated a year before her. If you showed me pictures of people from my high school years that i was around i don’t know them. And we’re not friends. But i wouldn’t say i went to school with someone of that name. I would simply say i went to school with them. It makes things seem sus. I can understand the agitation around making someone out to be your friend that’s not. But she also didn’t help clear up concerns.

[@StellaKnights]

The Judge sighing is so unprofessional , Im sorry Emily and know youre trying to be balanced but this Judge has shown herself to be biased throughout

[@cindysteinberg3914]

This witness is so infuriating. She is playing ‘stupid’ with all the ‘I don’t knows’. I hope the jury sees how sus this is.

[@jcwittig]

Yes I thought she was lying about her connection with the girl. Replay crew♥️U

[@Alison1973]

I think that girl is lying. I am 50 yrs old and can still tell you where I was in old photos from grade school and up!

[@WeeScot]

Love the defense lawyer, nailing it

[@rosalinagodoy-lw8tn]

I’m always here for your commentary Emily. You make trials so much more entertaining!

[@MzWriteNow]

Her memory is worse than mine, and I'm 70.

[@Wednesdays-Child]

The graduating class of Canton High school in 2014 had 215 or so. Under 1000 in the high school grades 9 - 12

[@LG-uv3lh]

We were 40 in my class. I was friends with maybe 5 of them and knew the parents/home of maybe 10, at most. I don't find her convincing (not directly answering if they are friends) but there could be similar pictures of me with former class mates who I know almost nothing about.

[@TheAutismMomvocate]

Replay Crew: what I remember from opening- Karen Read was framed. How did no one come out from the house. Things are sus. Karen performed CPR.

[@Quiz261Grl]

Do a search of Katie McLaughlin Canton and you’ll see the photos. WOW 😮

[@stellaallbright4750]

😮 Those two are ALWAYS TOGETHER & all over each other, like BFFS!!! 😮

[@dawnijomo1799]

I came into this case cold, no clue about it. That last witness seemed sketch to me. She went from "I went to school with a girl with that name" to OK yes there are pictures of us with beer, bathing suits, basically hugging but I don't actually remember that, where it was, when it was. Come on. It's only been 10 years. Give me a break. I have a poopie memory, am 51 years old and while I forget people, when I'm shown a picture I remember at least a basic time frame.

[@Moonlightdance58]

Emily, you friggin crack me up! It’s fun watching trials with you!

[@rev.d.2835]

Replay crew here!! 💜💜💜Defense is making way more sense to me.

[@melissaa2369]

This woman has amnesia! I graduated HS in 2006 and could tell you approximately when and where photos from then til now happened.

[@stellaallbright4750]

I graduated HS in 97, have a TERRIBLE memory, went though significant trauma in my teens, twenties, and thirties, partied HARD, traveled the globe...and could still give better information than this young lady!! Appalling.

[@paigemprice]

I hate not getting the reasons for objections, and reasons for judges decision, i like to learn from trials

[@SIRIUSLYBLACKHEART]

replay crew...it sounded like she was being intentionally obtuse and evasive. It makes it "seem" like she's hiding something. Alone it may not be much, but added with all of the police "mistakes", thing are starting to pile up quickly

[@minix61]

I know!

[@tinykitsune0387]

I agree it seems odd the alberts seem like a family is my town of 5,000 and we all know their address i went to school with their kids but we aren’t friends. But I would know if i rolled up to a scene on their property so to me its sus.

[@minix61]

@tinykitsune0387 also found it odd that she wouldn't have known the brother, like they'd have all been in the same school? Especially if you work in the same line of work, not uncommon for police to call emt and vice versa.

[@Blackened30]

I don't see it. She was probably being evasive, yes, but I'd also have been evasive too when facing down a lawyer in court who seemed intent on twisting my words and badgering me until i agreed with him. At that point you are getting the minimum from me. There are mistakes in every investigation, but most of them are what I'd consider "stupid" mistakes, the kind that automated systems make. The defense hasn't shown me any grand conspiracy yet, just the same kind of tech errors that I'm very familiar with. On the other hand, the prosecution hasn't shown me a single reason why they brought this case either. If all you have is a statement made during a time of heightened emotion that only one or two people heard, that's not enough. You need a smoking gun or lots and lots of small points of evidence. Its still early, but I'm waiting for the prosecution to tell me why they believe she did it.

[@elizabethdks]

Replay crew at 35 minutes and totally understand the 'My cousin Vinnie' references now.

[@mrsloveleebest]

Replay- Ms McLaughlin said she knows Caitlin 10 years but she finished high school 10 years ago. Is she forgetting all the time they were in school 🤔 why is she downplaying the facts 🫣

[@KKonYouTube]

AND she said "i went to high school with someone naaamed kaitlyn Albert" But by this time, she knows that this was the Albert family house... so shady!!!

[@mrsloveleebest]

@@KKonKZbin she didn’t do herself any credit in my eyes because of her shady acquaintance story. Why? the only reasonable conclusion is because she’s hiding something. Even her use of ‘sure’ ‘probably’ like why can’t she say yes or no 🤷‍♀️

[@platedlizard]

I think she meant that's when they mostly interacted

[@mrsloveleebest]

@@platedlizard she testified that she saw her more in high school than after. Idk how long high school is but that needs to be added on to the 10 years.

[@nitpickersheadliceremoval3805]

Remembers all the details most effectively than the other paramedics but can’t remember a day with her friends from a photo to trigger her memory

[@mercury13pam]

Replay crew from UK. Strong Defence opening. Why did no one come out of house and why wasn’t the house searched.

[@jessickofya]

❤❤❤ replay crew loves you too!! Starting to watch at 930a PST!

[@lynndalton733]

She’s so full of it!

[@SingerChic]

I assist police in training scenarios as an actor. If we were directed to say something like “is he dead, I hit him” in a produced scenario, the cops would fail the scenario if they didn’t follow up with more information and evidence gathering at the scene.

[@ShredderTainment]

I’m here for Emily’s excitement!!! Arms swirling all around. My heart is beating faster but in slow motion. Haha! Divulge!!!! 54:40

[@mamaglittercryptid3779]

Love watching EDB and live court. So entertaining.

[@Samanthakn]

Whyyyyy am I just finding you I feel like I been cheated in so many cases lol. Love your commentary honest and real with words we all can understand. Thank you for time stamps I feel like I found my home ❤❤❤❤😂😂❤❤❤❤

[@vebarnid]

You’re here now and that’s all that matters!!! I found EDB during Depp V Heard and I’m a full fledged law nerd now - welcome!!! 🫶🏼💜

[@palmettophoenixsociety]

I felt the same way when I first saw EBD. I felt so cheated out of the Depp V Herd trial I had to go back and watch it. I have also gone back and watched a lot of her older videos! I absolutely love EBD, her humor and cursy words. 😊

[@karoliina6049]

Welcome home, been a lawnerd for 3 years ❤ We have the best commmunity😊

[@Samanthakn]

You guys are really awesome !! Great chat and Emily feels like my people lol someone with a brain but I can understand ♥️😂💞def gonna back track into old streams ♥️

[@LawNerdSoph]

Welcome! I found EDB during Depp v Heard. You're in the BEST place ❤

[@LovetheLed]

She knew who lived in that house even if they weren’t friends in a town that small 40:53

[@mandolyn]

I love how she doesnt know where the photos are from she doesnt remember. If it was people I didnt socialize with I would remember an outing, definitely more than if we hung out frequently.. If they are friends from way back I can see a world where Katelyn would ask her for a favor, absolutely .

[@katyburr5417]

Replay crew here and the only thing I remember from opening statements is Karen Reed was framed.

[@pagejames8754]

If she was in distress and one of the people in the house planted the thought in KR's head she could've hit him, she would be freaking out questioning herself because she's in a horrific situation.

[@rev.d.2835]

Nicely done, Dr. B! 💜

[@HallieAdams-y3s]

Truth

[@georgiareilly8663]

I just finished my semester of uni and have a month off, I am so ready to binge EDB and catch up on this trial, i have no prior information and am watching as a juror. This is so interesting so far.

[@popprincess]

Hey Emily The puzzle is coming together for me due to defense. Thank you Emily you make me laugh every day which is good because wow the trickery. I scream WHAT?? all the time when they get amnesia during the defense questions.😄

[@thesarcastic1915]

I remembered it snowed, the street at the bottom is like a slope, Karen was framed (the defense said), Karen phone was taken and someone looked for nudes, and no one at the house came out with all that going on. Also the prosecution needs a red laser. Who said go with green?

[@tinykitsune0387]

Yes this exactly this case is sus to me

[@sailorv9118]

Same! I kept repeating " there's a slope!" LOL and I know he was missing a shoe, no idea why that matters yet.

[@platedlizard]

@@sailorv9118I understand why the shoe matters (for the prosecution: people who are hit by cars are often knocked out of their shoes, for the defense: "they" forgot to bring his shoe out to his body when they staged the scene) but I don't think either side has explained it yet.

[@sailorv9118]

Yeah, I’m a trauma nurse, I get that. I just don’t buy it based off of the damage on the car and his wounds. Shoes can also come off when someone is dragged on the ground. 🤷🏼‍♀️The prosecution has a lot further to go to prove this case to me.

[@tinykitsune0387]

After seeing the car today i dont think she hit him

[@Mo_Ketchups]

I’m IMPELLED to state the obvious just this one time: MY CHRIST if there’s ever been born a more ungodly _hilarious_ & entertaining broad than THIS one … she’s exquisitely adept at hiding! 🤷‍♂️🤩

[@melaniedavenport4869]

I want to see some videos of John in the bar to verify what he was wearing that night

[@ErinStudio]

There's video of him and Karen Read at the bar, he's wearing a grey, two tone hoodie (sleeves darker than body). She said yesterday that he was wearing a black zip up, today she said it's dark colored. There was also another video of them but I believe it's been removed because I haven't seen it in awhile.

[@mariemartin1728]

I remember the state asking for a conviction and the defense laying down a lot of questions that weren’t answered yet

[@Melody-st4df]

Emily, I love your commentary, I depend on it. But I'm not sure I have the patience to watch this with that Judge!!! "Grounds" are essential for me.

[@CPAries0404]

The defense knows what they are doing, there is always a reason, and keeps proving it (split-screen, pressing, etc…)

[@perryrush6563]

It's odd to me how they ALL say that she said the exact same thing (aka three times). Rarely does a crew ever agree on what was said OR hear the same thing that is said. Strange

[@BBSTUTZ3369]

I know nothing about this case and I already have a strong opinion and it hasn't changed since Tuesday

[@trishnickles2236]

Good morning, everyone! Happy Friday. Missed you, EDB, today on the radio, but I'm sure you were great. Enjoying a vente iced latte and chocolate croissant, (hint: Trader Joe's has the BEST croissants!) Have a great day, Law Nerds, and thank you, Emily, for getting us through this craziness. 💜💜 "What is happening!"

[@robynshurmantine6846]

I am finding it very hard to believe that in a smaller size town that first responders are not familiar with each other?? I really do have questions. 😮😮

[@leahbaker7010]

Exactly, the police work with the firefighters. How could Katie McLaughlin not know two canton police officers? As a juror they are questioning why Katie was so evasive and didn’t know the property or who lived there. And the name Albert will trigger what the opening statements said about the Albert family.

[@bri_chelle566]

The brother of the homeowner contacting her is a police problem. They should have kept him completely away from it

[@LawyER_Nurse1989]

Hello EDB, Aussie Emergency Nurse, university academic also with Juris Doctor here. I am late to the case and only found your KZbin channel two days ago. I wanted to clarify what I heard - Nuttall stated the D was moving around while he was caring for the airway and he heard her say it not only on that occasion but also that he could hear her say it a few times. As an airway nurse or EMT, it is amazing how much you can hear what is happening around you as you are not the one moving around reaching for drugs or counting chest compressions. Also, it is essential in a resuscitation situation for the team leader or senior doctor/nurse/EMT to maintain what we teach - "situational awareness". This is especially important for the first responder in this case as he stated he went along with the other two Fire Fighter - Paramedic...he was more senior so would have been the one to have a "birdseye view". Given this information, I have no doubt he was able to hear her say it on more than one occasion (perhaps not when Katie was questioning her in that circle of people) and he clarified that both were true. In regards, to the issue of the discussion around the FF/Paramedics writing up the alleged statement by Karen Read, is not their role and they should only be documenting clinical information about their patient in fact, it would be silly for them to document anything that may lead to criminal charges/legal arguments etc. The same would be the case in a hospital situation - it should not be documented in any report or patient notes, which is essentially what the Paramedic's notes are also, with a copy given to the ER on arrival.

[@annelucke-gb8gb]

From the opening I remember: "Karen read Was Framed!"

[@amykisliuk3188]

Thanks!

[@littlepixy2]

I was so close to catching it live again! Lol one of these days....😏 Law Nerd and John Lorden live chats are the best 😊

[@LovetheLed]

Up until the end of court yesterday we didn’t think that court would be in session Friday 🤷🏻‍♀️💜

[@yvieart]

This case is interesting * thanks for streaming it Emily. Why is the young female responder being so evasive; why is she so reluctant to just answer?

[@goodgolly4726]

If she graduated in 2014 I'm guessing their 10 year highschool reunion is coming up sometime this year 😂 Maybe she'll have the opportunity to catch up with Caitlyn then 👀

[@Multichick]

👋🏼🎧 catching up on replay! 💜☀️ -whitness

[@yvieart]

She is so evasive compared to all the other witnesses.

[@stellaallbright4750]

It seems like this entire case has been built on a foundation of what this woman claims to have heard!! 😮

[@lynndiehl8126]

Even if your in a smaller town and know places your going. You should put it into the report so things like this cant be in doubt.

[@Lr7567]

1:32:08 From the Boston area here! It is known that this judge is crooked and this is not the first case she’s been bought on

[@_x_CupCake_x_]

Due to the time difference and half days of this trial I haven’t been able to watch along live 😢 but have been watching the streams back 😊 best day of court so far, and I have many QUESTIONS!! loving your commentary Emily 💜💜💜 always honest and to the point (unlike the prosecution in this case 😂😂)

[@KKHowley]

Over the weekend photos came out from a baby shower in 2021, the two of them next to each other, and hot tub photos from pre-pandemic group vacation (not day trip) in Maine with the two of them embracing in the hot tub - like acquaintances do. She perjured herself. We may see her again.

[@pinkymingo7]

Replay crew ❤ I live in a very small town and we had this discussion this morning; you better check the family tree before you date someone!! Very small town, here!!!

[@Maggie903]

This is SO insane