MA. v Karen Read Trial Day 6- Evidence procedure? Sgt. Lank. First piece of taillight

[@mamaweezer1979]

Honestly I am happy this trial ended up being televised for the whole world to see these people for what they are. No more hiding for them

[@Ji5-24]

Another thing is proof she’s lying and did it, after LE turn up etc, at no time does she say “what happened, he went in to the house, etc”. Just “I hit him”, or “did I hit him”, and then threatening to kill herself, which via interviews she admits saying. Her father also did an interview saying she told him she hit him also. If she’s innocent how do people (properly) excuse all that as I’m tired of people saying nonsense or absurd excuses.

[@stephanieforman9146]

Hopefully this will shame them into reconfiguring their entire department!!! 🤬🤬🤬 10:53

[@KristenFitz21]

@@Ji5-24where’s the blood from the head wound? Vomit on the boxers is odd. How long to die in the cold. Autopsy photos and pay attention to blood loss. There’s so much more ahead.

[@silikon2]

EXACTLY. This is one of those cases that absolutely needed to be televised. Whatever is happening here, it needs a spotlight on it.

[@maddiemalacopa]

SERIOUSLY thank god Karen read deserves to share her side. I liked what Emily said the other day about opening up courts to cameras to build public trust. I’m not a conspiracy theorist type of person but I’ve been very convinced by the defenses theory of conspiracy amongst the department so far.

[@rpgaun]

As a retired Chief Forensic Investigator, if I ever handled evidence like this department I at the least would have been suspended if not fired. In today’s world there is no excuse for this incompetence!

[@basicallyno1722]

A lot of people here are offering the excuse that “the state police handle the crime scene investigations,” but surely as seasoned officers there are moments here that go WAY beyond not performing these investigations as a routine. Red solo cups in a stop and shop bag? Not breaking up the witnesses? Not putting down a tarp? Driving back to use the leaf blower (but not driving back for evidence bags)? Not following up “I hit him I hit him” with the natural question, “with what?” This goes way beyond not doing crime scene investigations as a routine. Don’t they learn this in basic police academy?

[@marymaclaren9553]

And you'd be embarrassed, right? They seem to be still proud of their improvisation even after all this time, after being informed of the opposite.

[@chelsey8737]

Even I know that if you're gonna take blood samples you need to use sterile containers and I only know that because I've watched crime dramas before but it doesn't seem like these officers cared. Maybe they could sit down and watch a season of a crime drama and learn some things 😅😳 Mostly joking but it's scary that I understand that these things were done so incorrectly and incompetently but these officers either don't seem to understand that or they just don't care. Especially when there's so much tension and conflict surrounding police forces across the country generally it's really disturbing to have this one be so front and center, seemingly proving people right

[@rpgaun]

@@basicallyno1722 I was part of a State wide task force that investigated 95% of homicides in our State. We, First, never refused to respond cuz the person was not deceased. We went cuz most of the time they will be…. We took the complete scene. However, if a Dept did collect evidence the transfer was not done in a garage…

[@jenmck23]

​@@basicallyno1722 I agree with both of you. I wonder that myself. To me it's basic common sense. I just made a comment stating I put travel bottles of shampoo and conditioner in individual snack bags before a sandwich bag and that's just me travelling to my parents place, not even going on a plane. I can forgive the red solo cups if they had been sealed individually in Ziploc bags and numbered and labeled. Because they are extremely lucky the integrity of the Stop and shop paper bag held up as they have uncovered (soon to be) liquid evidence, unsealed inside the paper bag.

[@sandrasomewhere]

Just a reminder that not one single piece of taillight was collected at the scene until after Michael Proctor took over the case.

[@My2Monkeeys]

They saw the CLEAR glass in the white snow, but not the BRIGHT RED piece of glass/plastic in the white snow??? Riiiiiiight 🙄🤦‍♀️

[@lauraramsey905]

They videotaped themselves doing it in that area and that taillight piece wasn’t there!

[@margaretkaine3001]

Gooood point!!

[@007nadineL]

Windy snow storm ring a bell?

[@lauraramsey905]

@@007nadineL wait so it blew the red taillight pieces but not the clear glass?

[@hazelangus]

@@lauraramsey905 The pic shows the little speck of red glass on or directly next to the curb - what they keep referring to as a "berm". I don't think they're claiming the clear glass was on the berm. I'm also not sure we saw that specific part of the berm on the videos we saw. I mean those little clips of Officer Leaf-Blower doing his finely controlled and scientific crime scene.analysis.

[@leilaamery]

I agree with Emily that the investigation was handled so poorly that the jury could find Karen Read not guilty just for reasonable doubt. However, it should not be ignored that the main reason why the PD did such a poor job is because they were handling the Alberts with kid gloves. They gave them the benefit of the doubt that they were innocent bystanders. They took Jen McCabe’s word as truth. They were never going to investigate enough to get Probable Cause. They chatted with the witnesses like the friends they were. The police’s perception is very important to his investigation. They already decided that The Alberts were friends therefore they were never going to look at them under a microscope. On the other hand, Karen read is a neutral outsider like 95% of us. It’s easier for them to nitpick her actions and words. They consider her hysteria as a possible evidence of guilt when a neutral person could perceive it as shock and panic and grief.

[@itsjust_Lisa]

I agree with everything you say except I think KR was a convenient scapegoat. I get the feeling the plan was to dump Officer O'Keffe near the kurb and claim a plough had hit him. KR came back to find him and between them all they cooked up a story, brought in 'friendlies" and here we are.

[@Rowgue51]

I would bet everything I have that Jen McCabe is actually the source of the "I hit him" thing and that nobody actually heard it from Karen's mouth.

[@pelletman65]

@@Rowgue51 It was Kate McLaughlin I believe. She was the originator. The one who claimed to not be friends with Caitlyn Albert

[@itsjust_Lisa]

​@@Rowgue51 it seems to be exactly that. She's the person at the centre of the situation. Maybe she said to KR "Did you hit him" but this is after her 2.27am search about dying in the cold, then possibly KR asked the question "Did I hit him"? In hysterical mindset after you've just seen your boyfriend bashed up and tried CPR who knows what you'd say? If KR was drunk, there's a seriously injured boyfriend, she says she hit him, why did they send her home? There's so much to this and far more questions than answers here yet. I've seen no evidence, a biased judge, detectives who haven't got a clue about chain of custody, look for nudes on cellphones before putting them into evidence, it's a disgrace. I've never seen any other instance where a dead police officer would be treated with so little respect. There's more to come, I've watched all of the pre trial motions and you just simply can't believe it. It's really a fascinating case and one I think will be in Law Schools in the US in future years for sure. How not to do policing and lawyering 101, that said imagine if KR had no money and a public defender, I'm sure without these fantastic lawyers she'd be in serious trouble.

[@forrestfey]

It also makes me have questions about if they disliked the victim.

[@MikeAK44]

HI Emily, public defender here. I positively adore you but I cannot agree. The discovery of a dead body who is known to the homeowners being found on that property is easily probable cause. If I am wrong, there is still no police force on this continent that wouldn't APPLY for a warrant in those circumstances.

[@marcopalazzo9349]

I agree, they also knew he was meant to be at the party that evening and with one police officer saying one trauma to the victims head. Guaranteed a judge would have given it even if you just went and said cop down.

[@annamelvina216]

​@@marcopalazzo9349 Yeah. How do they not pull out all the stops when a cop's been killed? I firmly believe that if he has been found in front of anyone else's house this would have been a completely different story.

[@MikeAK44]

​@@marcopalazzo9349 Well said.

[@vspring94tortor53]

Yeah, my husband is a cop, and he was appalled that Canton police were saying they didn’t have probable cause. My husband was like, “the dead body on the front lawn wasn’t enough?!” But Kansas laws are probably different from Massachusetts laws. 🤷‍♀️

[@intothemindshaft]

They didn’t even door knock the neighbours other than to get cups ffs

[@judystumpf199]

I get that the Canton Dept doesn't handle homicides. However...there are other types of crimes in which you would need to collect evidence. To have NO idea what the proper procedure is for basic evidence collection is just not believable. Either these officers/detectives are lying or they are REALLY incompetent.

[@maycronin1188]

Supposedly Colin Albert was reported as a possible drug dealer to Canton police.

[@eagrinstead1]

Yes! Assualt, robbery, rape, any violent crime. This is nuts!

[@jsthecat]

These days there is no excuse to not have some officers trained in CSI procedures. What is going on in the department 🤔

[@lauraramsey905]

@@FancyRPGCanada That part!

[@maddiemalacopa]

I was thinking that too! Like just bc canyon doesn’t do murder investigations doesn’t mean non murder investigations don’t involve evidence. That just doesn’t make sense. They obviously do bc they have facilities at their department for storing evidence.

[@Christine__D]

We could all be Karen Read. Hold everyone to higher standards.

[@smith899]

I agree, but when you do that with cops, they accuse you of being “difficult.”

[@joakuz]

First of all, DON’T drink and drive!!!!

[@jdub6521]

@@joakuz​​⁠that’s good advice of course. But she’s also charged with murder, which doesn’t matter if drunk or sober. And she also never tested above the legal limit by authorities (.07-.08 at hospital), so they’re going to have to use some retrograde method to go back in time to prove she was drunk at the time.

[@joakuz]

@@jdub6521 I know :/ and I also think that we can all be Karen Read even if sober… But still drinking and driving is not the way 😅

[@Christine__D]

@@FancyRPGCanada i will never grouse about a vigorous defense again!

[@karenb2149]

I can’t believe they had the balls to even bring this to trial. What a waste of taxpayers 💰

[@LovetheLed]

It leaves me with out words 🤯😮😳🙈🙉🐐🔴🔴🔴🔴

[@Laur7802]

In my opinion, they had no choice. Had they not brought this all the way to trial, and people began to realize the stories weren't adding up as to how Officer O'Keefe died, it gave way to too much opportunity to investigate the Albert's, McCabe's, and Higgjns. And, they couldn't take that chance. John O'Keefe, being a Boston Police Officer who was highly respected , could you imagine the outrage and public pressure for them to investigate and hold those responsible for his death. He deserves justice, real justice, and prosecuting Karen Read, isn't it.

[@axollot]

Especially for murder 🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@007nadineL]

Karen killed her bf

[@TheInsaneEraser]

@@Laur7802 while I agree, this is happening now. We3're seeing the stories not add up, and not just locally, but world wide [I'm canadian!], and people ARE calling for justice. people already don;t believe she's guilty. They really didn;t stop anything, if that was the reason why. There is also a federal investigation going on in the background as well, the horse is already out the barn XD

[@marymaclaren9553]

Man, if Canton's police believe this is a competent investigation, I hope we never see their version of a ridiculously horrible one.

[@smith899]

They know it isn’t. They are dirty. The Thin Blue Line is alive and well in Canton!

[@marymaclaren9553]

@@smith899 Which came first, the incompetence or Thin Blue Line? Chicken, egg...........I truly believe that they think their improved evidence gathering was genius. Thin Blue line, even that was sloppy.

[@msh441]

I think it’s a situation where no one felt like it was their job. State declined (I’d bet because of weather over any other explanation, honestly). Betting Canton was pissed, and like ‘fuck it… we’ll give minimum effort, and let the assholes at state work with that when they get here’. Inter agency animosity, with real world results.

[@smith899]

@@msh441 I’d agree if this yard and party was not a cop’s family.

[@marymaclaren9553]

@@msh441 Oh, yeah, I bet there is that, too. I can't remember which detective said it about the blood cups, but one of them flippantly said, and I'm paraphrasing here, "let the techs figure it out."

[@abbypalmer5685]

Catching up tonight after delivering my fourth baby today, just to learn I delivered on Emily's birthday!! What a day!

[@HulloItsBrit]

Congrats on your little Law Nerd!!!!

[@s.jmatthewsstilwell5926]

Congratulations. Hope you are all doing well. Welcome to the world smallest law nerd

[@angelipie2592]

to me, that piece of red plastic looks like it's sitting on top of footprints... also looks placed to me, like it's sitting nicely on top of the snow, not emerging from melting snow

[@annamelvina216]

It was planted there. I mean, it's so clearly been planted there. Like, there's no other way to see it, right? That light was planted there.

[@feliciah9592]

I am horrified he has pulled gloves from his pocket, touched his face, then his glasses, and then touched the glass. Does he even know why he is wearing gloves?

[@vebarnid]

Right - watching him put the gloves on then almost immediately touch his face was just so horrific

[@intothemindshaft]

Maybe there’s someone on the jury noticing that too…

[@sarahsmilesmaine]

I think this was a show of “look how this officer is so careful with evidence and is sure to wear gloves,” but anyone who 1) works under circumstances where sterility is paramount and saw him touch his face 2) listened to the testimony of how the evidence has been collected in this case is rolling their eyes. Unreal.

[@stellaallbright4750]

Does he even CARE!? 🎯

[@TheInsaneEraser]

can you imagine a cook/meat cutter doing this, let ALONE someone handling evidence?

[@dianagarner334]

Happy birthday to the best legal commentator online🎉

[@carolineelsson8858]

I’m screaming at the incompetence. This trial should never have happened.

[@jenniferchoo9413]

Watching the Murdaugh trial...I was almost bored to tears at the way they were handeling all of the evidence...how careful they were with it. I thought to myself...why so repative??? This seems like common sense! Well now I know why the chain of custody is hit on so hard. This is WILD. The lack of care is shocking....especially when this is a dead Police Officer.

[@tiffany2943]

Other than the prosecutor handling all the evidence with bare hands then touching his glasses, his face and the witnesses All after shaking out the blue jacket/tarp in front of the jury and throwing out dried mud stuck to other evidence...🙊

[@aoky9179]

absolutely agree

[@lsen9015]

Interesting timing of when lights went on the Alberts home.

[@stellaallbright4750]

The UPSTAIRS lights, anyway. 🎯

[@teacuppug8337]

“Reasonable doubt” is screaming at me right now

[@itsjuliannajo]

Happy Birthday Emily! May your toilet paper be plentiful, may your wifi be strong, may your coffee not be the other Emilie's, and may the odds ever be in our favor.

[@hallieadams4225]

❤That's a Hallmark moment ❤

[@cmeblu75]

Karen’s comment about never seeing her boyfriend’s family again makes sense to me now. She didn’t think she was going to survive this and was possibly thinking about exiting. I found the comment very odd on day 1, now a week in hearing about her dad’s phone call and the hold, her comment makes sense to me now. I don’t see how it doesn’t make sense to the O’Keefe family too 💔

[@intothemindshaft]

I took it more that as they weren’t married and the kids weren’t hers she was scared the family wouldn’t care /lose contact with her etc

[@stellaallbright4750]

I never took her despair as serious suicidal ideation. That is grief coupled with trauma manifesting.

[@cmeblu75]

@@stellaallbright4750 I’m speaking from experience of the loss of my son and while I never had those ideas I definitely said things that didn’t sit well with first responders and was placed on hold. It’s not so odd that she said what she did about never seeing her boyfriend’s family again. You’re right it’s grief and trauma and the brain can only handle so much. Words don’t come out right, nothing makes sense. There’s really no deep thinking going on past the present moment of “I can’t cope, I can’t deal, this isn’t happening.”

[@christina1336]

Our mom was married to our stepdad who we considered our dad for 25 years. We got him when we were 4 and 6 years old. When she died, we were worried that he would be done with us. Sort of irrational, but things like that happen. He wasn't done with us, still our dad, but I totally understand how she may have thought that.

[@cmeblu75]

@@christina1336 I’m so sorry to hear about your mom 💔 you guys were so young. I’m so grateful that your stepdad was a true a real father to you both. Lots of irrational thoughts happen during extreme trauma and grief.

[@Fifi_Is_My_Name-O]

EDB, thank you for pausing the stream for your commentary! I want and enjoy your commentary and my neurospicy brain can't process two people talking at once so I appreciate you pausing! ❤❤❤

[@MellyMel_77]

Apparently, men can fight in bars and not get arrested and also drink and drive and not get arrested. This is the worst PD. I have ever heard of except for my city Fall River massachusetts. Un F in real

[@MellyMel_77]

@@Demonchihuahua ok

[@leslie3933]

Fall River you say? Y’all have quite an interesting unsolved case involving murder.

[@MellyMel_77]

Yes there's a book about it. Mortal remains

[@melaniedavenport4869]

None of the witnesses have convinced me that Karen hit John with her car and killed him

[@Rowgue51]

They're going to leave that up to the forensic pathologist. All these witnesses were used for was to establish that it was snowing and to claim they heard her screaming I hit him.

[@shkrjam84]

@@Rowgue51I imagine the defense will have an opposing pathologist talking about those injuries to the right arm, as well. In my experience treating patients for dog bites and scratches, they do look consistent with that.

[@maddiemalacopa]

Same. I’m very convinced by the defense. If she hit him with her car why wasn’t he on the curb or on the road? The storm hadn’t come in yet, so there wasn’t wind to drown out the noise it seems like. When I was a little kid my mom rolled over my foot with her Lexus and i screamed bc it hurt but it wasn’t like I was injured. Wouldn’t his hosts who were expecting him hear him scream?

[@Rowgue51]

@@maddiemalacopa Don't forget also the prosecution is claiming their data shows she reversed at him at 24mph for 20 seconds before striking him with the car. That would have made an insane amount of noise and covered over 700 feet. And an impact at that speed would have caused massive damage to the vehicle and the body. Absolutely nothing about their theory of the case makes any sense whatsoever.

[@sapphy2530]

When Lank said he doesn't know the procedure for using evidence tape, my next question would have been: "seriously?"

[@maddiemalacopa]

Or even “have you ever seen anyone else do it????”

[@Prettylittlecrimes]

Or the fact she sustained the objection when asked about the unsealing and resealing with initials! Why would she sustain that objection? Seems like pretty standard protocol to me!

[@2centswanted113]

Wow what a good catch. Your experience shines. "the house looked in order" less than 4 hours after a drunk party? Not likely Happy Birthday!

[@GuiltyBystander58]

My husband wouldn’t notice. He’s blind to clutter.

[@dollface2917]

From the UK, but love watching U.S trials. If Read is found guilty on this, I will lose my last slither of faith in humanity. There’s no way there’s not reasonable doubt here imo

[@mione134]

Judge Cannone doesn't want any of the Chris Albert stuff involved because her BROTHER is a lawyer, and HE represented him. John Prescott is his name. Look him up. Hence, why she should of recused herself

[@jennk7987]

😮😮 Well then she had connection to that Albert family too?

[@mione134]

@@jennk7987 Yep! Which is why everyone, including the defense wanted her to recuse herself. She refused. She won't address the fact her brother represented Chris Albert. But it's a fact. It happened, and I think she should of recused herself. It explains her sighs and obvious distain of the defense.

[@mione134]

@@jennk7987 and it was a manslaughter case that the judge's brother defended Chris Albert. He killed a Hungarian student.

[@SpookyTime0]

​@@mione134 OMG WHAT

[@mandy5232]

​@@mione134 Seriously?? Is this well known? I can't stand her attitude during this trial. It's so obvious she is "irriated" with the defense even though they have been way better prepared than the prosecutor! I'm livid

[@mistyestesrealtor4784]

I'm actually surprised they didn't decide to transport the Stop and Shop "evidence" bag on the back seat of Read's SUV as it was being towed back to the station because "it was snowing!" ❄

[@PD12118]

😂

[@Prettylittlecrimes]

I’m so glad you made that comment about the exhibits! I’ve never seen anything like this in the dozens of trials I’ve watched regarding housekeeping being this messy! It’s almost like there should be a mistrial regarding the issue of exhibits alone!

[@Rowgue51]

The way this is going I'd expect the defense to make a very strong argument for dismissal or a directed verdict at the conclusion of the prosecution's case in chief. And I'd expect it not to be the typical ubiquitous argument made as a matter of course that you never expect to actually be granted. I think it's going to be a very vigorous and very sincere argument that they actually expect to be given legitimate consideration. The only "evidence" they have is all completely unreliable even if you ignore the possibility of a frame up. None of the tail light fragments were found during the official search for evidence and only found hours after the scene had been cleared and released and anyone could have done anything they wanted to that scene. Everyone involved in any key aspect of the investigation had hopelessly conflicted connections to someone in the Albert family or one of their friends that were there that night. Despite all of them claiming that they don't even normally do death investigations and knowing from the beginning they shouldn't be conducting the investigation because of the appearance of conflict. They went ahead and conducted the vast majority of the investigation anyway. Including taking a beverly hillbillies approach to collecting evidence, failing to actually log any of the evidence in or secure it, intentionally manipulating completely open and unsealed blood evidence within inches of the specific and very tiny area of the vehicle they later claim to have found additional trace DNA evidence. This is an absolute joke.

[@matthewmarshall349]

And Judge C is going to deny it without a second thought. She already has the 3,000 page FBI findings and refused to delay the trial, which was requested by BOTH sides.

[@eagrinstead1]

@Rowgue51 so microscope pieces of tail light made it into the victims clothes but not into the wounds resulting from the taillight contacting the body???

[@CharlieLynne-143]

It is infuriating and disgusting!! The typical move for directed verdict after the CWs case is going to be peanuts compared to the cut and paste normal argument at all. If there ever were a perfect example of a case that should be dissmissed for good, this is it! I just cant handle this injustice. This is American! Our justice system failed Karen, Officer O'Keefe and their loved ones! I hope she sues the entire town and takes it over after this!

[@aoky9179]

@@eagrinstead1 i mean, how could we trust it

[@kristino5170]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! So glad I found your channel during the Johnny Depp trial and now have told many people about you. Hope you have an awesome day and thank you for the laughs!!!

[@TheInsaneEraser]

watching Emily loose her mind along with us, is very reassuring, it helps me understand that my feelings of disbelief and outrage is not incorrect!

[@SusieQ409]

The reason why they're raising the face sheet issue is that it was never noted that the changes were in fact supplemental. The only reason the defense knew the January 29th report had changed is because they were handed a paper version in court a few days after January 29th. When they received the second version it was provided to them as though it were the first one and that there was no supplement and that nothing within it had been changed. That is why they're hammering home that this is suspicious because there is a way for the face sheet and the subsequent document to reflect that it's been modified and in this case any indication of modification had intentionally been removed.

[@ThatRedhedd]

BEV IS SIGNALING TO LALLY BY COUGHING. 3:01:50 - She's letting him know when to object if he doesn’t do it on his own. She made the rule that they aren't allowed to state the grounds for the objection because Lally doesn't know them!

[@Enjoythepour]

That’s an interesting observation. Thank you. 😊

[@vebarnid]

I have been wondering this whole time who keeps coughing - ugh this just pisses me off

[@Fifi_Is_My_Name-O]

also, look at 3:03:07 right before they go to sidebar, watch the judge's hand movement... what is that all about?

[@sophiabartlett646]

Oh my. The judge is in on it!!!😮

[@vebarnid]

I knew nothing of this case beforehand and her bias is so obvious

[@sophiabartlett646]

@@vebarnid I didn't either. PTSD and have to clear these with dr. Emily is the best. She warns us. You are right. Plainly she is bias and can't remember what she says the day before. Maybe she is to stressed to be the judge. Her sighs are a sign she is under pressure.

[@mirna.lajkina]

Her brother represented chris albert in court

[@sophiabartlett646]

@@mirna.lajkina what!!! No way. Definitely in on it. I am sure the locals can tell us a story for sure.

[@mirna.lajkina]

@@sophiabartlett646 💯%. Google it, it was a long time ago but chris killed a hungaryan student with his car

[@maryhannah4462]

Why did they continue the investigation after the vic died. Shouldn't the state have taken over the case? Weather wasn't an issue the next day.

[@markgordon5614]

My question is the plastic red tail cover. I have never seen plastic that shatters into so many pieces unless there is very high speed impact... > 70 mph.

[@frendleek]

The judge needs to go stage left. I’m tired of her shutting down the defense every time they get a good point across and helping out the prosecution it’s really sickening.

[@ChristopherMichael180]

I was also floored when she reamed everyone about wasting time with sloppy evidence exhibits when she gave them only a weekend to literally reorganize all of the freaking evidence.

[@chelsey8737]

When Emily started talking about this case, I wasn't interested and I didn't want to follow any part of it but I'm so glad that I gave it a chance. I have learned so much about what is supposed to happen in cases like this by watching how horribly everything was handled in this one. It's very much a "know what to do by knowing what not to do" situation.

[@bobbyroberts8523]

Wow!!!!! That is a chuck of plastic..... Leaf blower did not uncover this piece...... Ya when did that get there???? come on this is unbelievable.

[@hmacdonald4950]

The six red solo cups… I just can’t.

[@maddiemalacopa]

I’ll never drink out of a red solo cup ever again

[@ravenzyblack]

Don’t forget to Stop & Shop paper grocery bag.🤨Thay was clearly NOT a sterile evidence bag.🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@t.l.1610]

Yup. This was the moment in the case for me when I went “Ya, no. Reasonable doubt right here. NG.”

[@forrestfey]

If you use a leaf blower in strong wind to remove snow down to the ground. that snow will go everywhere. If that snow is contaminated with blood, everyone's clothes (and hair) could be contaminated.

[@kendraowen2841]

I never cease to be amazed at the in depth knowledge of the constitutional rights ........ when they are dealing with another LEO. When they are dealing with anyone else they pretend to be clueless. Constitution? What's the constitution? 4th amendment? what is that?

[@JennySmith-kx6oc]

The bumper sticks out more than the tail light but there isn’t damage on it? A tail light did those injury’s to officer okeefe?

[@tinykitsune0387]

Right after seeing his arm. i have a very hard time believing this was done by a car.

[@msh441]

Bodies bend. The lats vehicle homicide i worked looked just like that: parallel/linear cuts and abrasions all over the body from the undercarriage of the suspect vehicle. But I’m not sure wtf they’re suggesting happened here. The state’s case isn’t clear to my TBI brain. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@basicallyno1722]

@msh441 surely you found glass in the victim’s skin or clothes though right? Also…there weren’t abrasions all over his body reported. Just the bust at the back of his head and the scratches to his one arm. Yeah I’m also confused what the state is saying. I didn’t hear them say o’keefe rolled under the car.

[@JennySmith-kx6oc]

It’s all so odd. I feel terrible for the okeefe family. The pain in their faces. If Karen hit him I don’t think it was intentional. I also have a hard time believing she went 24 mph in the snow. John would have heard the car coming and jumped out of the way.

[@tinykitsune0387]

@@msh441 i could understand that on an asphalt drag. But I dont think that happened here. Aslo on a car like this with crumble zones I would expect more body damage. Another odd fact that I thought of today on my drive home is how would he still be actively bleeding if he had been out there since I think midnight the night before. I just want justice for this poor victim and I dont think he will get it.

[@Yukihiromol]

I am a PC gaming nerd for over 20 years, an avid watcher of EDB's and LYK's channel, and I can not recall if I have ever used a keyboard or a mouse, or a smart phone in my experience.

[@carolynv8979]

Replay crew wishing EDB happy birthday!

[@BlessedMomfmTexas]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY EMILY 🎂 I HOPE YOU HAVE THE BEST DAY EVER!! YOU'RE A BEAUTIFUL SOUL.

[@suzanneb3036]

If, ‘what if, if any’ were a drinking game we would all be in the hospital with alcohol poisoning.

[@vebarnid]

Sort of 😂

[@mangotango2399]

or dead, not even halfway through the court day 😂

[@nzfilmnerd81]

Happy Birthday to our go to legal analyst and court caster 🎉💜

[@cpld1833]

Fortunately for Karen Read she can afford good attorneys. Canton PD is looking sort of biased so far to me, especially Sgt. rather (since promoted) to Lt. Lank's testimony. She's gotta fight for her life now.

[@sanmer85]

At the very least, grossly incompetent. They just picked the very first convenient suspect and that's it.

[@intothemindshaft]

Omg runkle reckoned at least 200k of lawyers sat there and that she must have sold her whole life to fight this. Imagine if you had nothing!

[@leslie3933]

@@intothemindshaftI can’t figure out how all these police officers have such nice houses. 34 Fairview is on Zillow with interior photos.

[@stellaallbright4750]

@bonscottslovechild -- Sadly, her life was over/destroyed the minute she was accused. 💔💜💔

[@nandtc1]

Wow. This investigation is so tainted. How did this get past Grand Jury

[@timroberts6695]

I was on a grand jury while living in Texas. Basically the DA just told us what cases they wanted to move forward and what cases they did not want.

[@KristenFitz21]

No defense present. This ADA presented a case to the GJ along with the corrupt MSP lead Investigators out of the Norfolk County DA’s office.

[@maddiemalacopa]

In my state defense attorneys aren’t even allowed at grand juries and I think they usually don’t even tell the defendant to be that the GJ hearing is happening

[@andiesmonster]

The Defense has been really proper and professional. It seems like they want to make sure to cover all bases and ask permission for everything along the way.

[@chazzy_g]

Happy Birthday!! Thanks for the continued trial coverage. I'll keep trying to catch up, in bits after work, so I appreciate the posted lives 💜

[@smith899]

1:56:24 Amen, Emily! In the VERY leastX there are dishes in the dishwasher AND in the sink because I couldn’t fit them all in at once!

[@OpportunisticOmnivore]

Agree. Even if the party ends after midnight, I ALWAYS clean up all the dishes and food after a party, fitting every dish in the dishwasher I can, but often have larger or handwash only stuff to the side, pre rinsed to scrub in the morning. I usually wipe down the counter before bed, too, but sometimes don’t. And I NEVER EVER vacuum or clean the bathroom after midnight. Those are tomorrow projects and the hand towel in the bathroom would be wet from the bathroom being used a bunch without time to dry between and there would be crumbs and such on the floor. There would be empty alcohol bottles in the trash and large food containers from serving. Even if they did a fair amount of after midnight cleaning, there would be visible evidence of a party. UNLESS they had something to hide.

[@amandaf6110]

I live in MA and found the first local news reports of this story to be strange, as there was little follow up and subsequent details were confusing. Then, I heard all of the bizarre cover up rumors. Weird! I’m still very suspicious about the incompetent police work!!! I wonder about the broken cocktail glass. The tail light would have potentially been broken in the driveway of O’Keefe’s house prior to Read getting in Robert’s’ car, as video shows. Are there actually videos of it being in tact on her drive home from dropping him off? I heard that video from that time was blocked. I hope the truth comes out for John O’Keefe and his family.

[@stellaallbright4750]

I hope the truth comes out for Ms. Read.

[@shkrjam84]

Happy birthday, EDB! 💜 Replay crew…watching you stream trials is my favorite thing. I go through serious withdrawals in between. I even try to watch some trials, but it’s not the same without you so I speed them up and zoom zoom a lot 🤣

[@maddiemalacopa]

I watched some of Reads Prelim without EDB and I felt so alone 😭 lol

[@shkrjam84]

@@maddiemalacopa yeah I watched some of the Vander Ark trial and most of the Adam Montgomery trial. Definitely missed EDB’s excited utterances 🤣 I have ADHD, and she helps make the boring parts not so boring and the interesting parts even more exciting and interesting 🤣

[@kittiariastar2204]

Happy birthday to the most beloved legal commentator of all time!

[@juliaallen4906]

I just don't get it -- OK, no murders/death scenes, but surely Canton PD has managed a robbery, assault, or DV crime scene in which EVIDENCE might need to be preserved? WTAF?

[@annamelvina216]

Yep! Just imagining if I were to call in a robbery and these guys show up? "Officer, there's blood near the broken window! It must be the burglar's!" "Ah-ha! Quick! Get me items made out of the cheapest plastic! No time to waste!" "Wait, what?"

[@Alison1973]

Can you imagine all the cases they have screwed up from the past!!?

[@briannapinkney4966]

Happiest of birthdays to the Mother of Law Nerds❤🎉

[@vebarnid]

Replay Crew 🫶🏼 Happy Birthday EDB - have the best day/evening and I can’t wait to watch live tomorrow

[@MoffittNatasha]

I don't know anything about the jury selection in this case, but if they can choose a jury in this small town where everyone knows everyone, why can't they choose one in the county for Brian Kohberger?

[@chemistryflavored]

I imagine it’s a population issue. MA is much more densely populated than rural ID, let alone a college town where many are only part time residents for school.

[@chemistryflavored]

A Google search confirms. Norfolk County has almost 800K residents. Latah county only has 40K.

[@pollyharveypolly]

This judge is very “hurry up and slow down”. I feel like I am watching a very long baseball game.

[@sunshi1583]

Cumulative = Lally calling so many witnesses that I now have heard about an apron more than I’ve worn an apron!!

[@vebarnid]

😂

[@JaxieJ-lk7om]

They lived together. Of course his DNA was on her car. It would be more suspicious if it weren't

[@dellahicks7231]

As a civilian, even I would know to try and put items like the Solo cups in separate Ziploc bags, why didn't they ask the homeowner for some along with the ridiculous cups? Honestly if this case isn't full of reasonable doubt, what case is? Unbelievable!

[@vebarnid]

What is curious to me is that they ask a different neighbor, like diagonal from the scene, for some red solo cups when they know they are going to be going in the home of the Alberts … I mean none of this makes any sense and screams incompetence at the very least

[@Maddieelovesu]

Seriously. Ziplock bags thrown in a freezer would have at least touched on some fundamentals. The solo cups in a grocery bag is shameful

[@tinam1231]

Im having a hard time with this judge. Seems to me she's ok with Karen going away even though she didn't unalive Officer O'Keefe. Everyone who investigated this case, should be fired. Such a bad job.

[@stellaallbright4750]

Everyone who investigated or tainted this case should do time, imho. 🎯

[@ravenzyblack]

Wellit turns out her brother, who is a lawyer, represented Chris Albert in his hit and run homicide case that killed a Hungarian student who was here on a Student Visa. Chris Albert only got six months.

[@origamikiddo2625]

The way I was staring at that house looking for the light to turn on!

[@GrandmaRobyn]

A sort of off the wall question. I wonder if the juror chairs are padded like the Judges chairs and the Commonwealth and defense chairs are?? 😊

[@MuzerlinaV]

56:30 - My new favorite phrase is “There’s fuckery afoot!” 😆😆😆

[@virginiakelly3541]

Agreed!!! There’s fuckery a foot is absolutely my favorite new phrase… adding to the addition of incorporating Sir and Ma’am when things make you go wtf… lol

[@rpgaun]

Evidence bags have preprinted areas for all the logs you need to do

[@aprilbradford-tracy2229]

Happy Birthday Emily!💜🎉

[@sireland3537]

The happiest of birthdays to you, thank you so much for covering this trial and explaining it all as you go! Much appreciated

[@usedtobebrewer6627]

The way Emily has saved my friends and family, whom have no interest in the court funnsies, from having to endure me and my shenanigans while watching. Now I have all of you and Mrs. Emily to nerd with while I indulge my trial fixation. I drove them nuts... telling them details about cases far and wide they had no interest in. 🥤

[@colleenfletcher2550]

Happy birthday 🎂 Emily, enjoy your day.

[@andreab2789]

Happy Birthday Emily! As someone who broke their tailgate light into the snow, wouldn't that have been more embeeded into the snow if it was melted with snow wouldnt it be more sunken into the snow?

[@blancadlt24]

Happy Birthday Emily🎉🎉🎉 thank you for your dedication and stream!!

[@anavictoria1809]

Happy birthday Emily!

[@brady_cll]

As a student studying clinical psychology with a specialization in forensic psychology, I want to thank you Emily! I learn so much from you regarding the law! 🖤

[@angelasandersbooks]

27:30 When the Defense said "P" for identification, the CC, said "pee for identification, and I turned into a little girl. I couldn't help but giggle.😂😂

[@randamgrrl]

In the same sentence, it turned "face sheet" into "facial" and I died

[@angelasandersbooks]

@@randamgrrl 🤣🤣🤣

[@nitpickersheadliceremoval3805]

And you can hold onto PEE 😂

[@Fifi_Is_My_Name-O]

Same here!!

[@Fifi_Is_My_Name-O]

@@nitpickersheadliceremoval3805 This too!! 🤣😂😅

[@karengriswold4537]

Happy Birthday Emily! Excellent coverage.

[@nandtc1]

I’m sure their Chief of Police is scrambling today. This case is going to make defence lawyers very busy in this County. Any charges laid during this time period is going to be very closely scrutinized for all charges. Such a sad societal state

[@peita]

3:31:58 replay crew 🫶🏼🫶🏼 ❓❓❓genuine question, HOW were the solo cups of blood admissible?

[@Agucci_1]

Ok so how did the taillight appear over what looks to be a footprint??

[@LovetheLed]

1 large piece of the taillight. Not small bits of plastic 🔴🔴🔴🤔🤔

[@Agucci_1]

@@LovetheLed right!! I just don’t get it!!

[@hazelangus]

Oh! You wrote a report, Lank? Well done guy - snaps for Lank's report!

[@Little-miss]

Very odd that a fellow police officer wouldnt come out there home just to talk to them , especially since knew most of them .

[@cparsonage9925]

Looks like wine.. all the crew seem to be in IT together imo. HAPPY BIRTHDAY

[@heartpaws519]

How is it that the homeowners are still "asleep" if Karen has been continuously screaming "is he dead"??!!!! SERIOUSLY??!!!!!

[@shkrjam84]

At least once, maybe more, they did say the wind was so strong you had to yell and be near someone just to be heard at all.

[@melnee]

They had also been drinking

[@Tinuvielthefair]

Happy belated birthday Emily! Taurus Crew, yay! I am also a Taurus! My birthday was May 4th! I'm catching up on the trial.

[@kathrynbaker7529]

Happy Birthday, EDB! 🎉

[@NovaDexter]

Since when does a Judge ask the state to object so she can approve it?

[@CharlieLynne-143]

Microdots has a video called "A Tale of Two Cases" that highlights a comparison of two cases investigated by the same players that year and that video supports the ideal that this is not this department being negligent but infact it was deliberatly botched!

[@larscederberg8564]

Excellent summary of the day 😀

[@michellesteel6778]

Happy birthday EDB hope you have an amazing day 🎉🎉💜💜💜

[@crizzyjj]

Happy birthday!!! Court today was so frustrating!

[@ruairi_d]

Happy birthday Emily 💜💜💜

[@rachaelleann9847]

Happy Late BIRTHDAY Emily Hope you had a wonderful day, I could not get this these trials without you!!

[@ThatRedhedd]

The pieces of red tail light found on 2/4/22 could've been from any vehicle. They have no proof they are pieces of Karen's tail light.

[@tinykitsune0387]

I also find it hard to believe they found the clear glass in the snow but not that massive chunk of tail light

[@eagrinstead1]

Can anyone make out the broken tail light from the officers dash cam? Or extent of the damage? I'm on my phone and thought it might be clearer on monitor. Anyone know if a sleuths have enhanced this view?

[@tinykitsune0387]

@@eagrinstead1 i would also like to know. Im planning to watch on a monitor when i can

[@basicallyno1722]

or tail light/cocktail glass in his clothes or embedded in his skin….

[@ThatRedhedd]

​@@basicallyno1722 I don't think we're going to see credible evidence of that.

[@Presumedhostile]

Happy bday edb! You light up our life allll the days🎉

[@Lei-AICPhD]

It’s High time to dismiss this case. I am curious what they told the grand jury to get this case to trial?

[@Delulutrain]

I appreciate all the commentary and the Emily things throughout this case. It gives me a much needed laugh at the appropriate times. The spiraling and words about Goode not remembering using evidence tape or evidence protocol sent me ☠️😂😂😂