Is the Apple Pencil Pro good enough for professionals?

[@Kytetiger]

I really like when you bring guests. It also shows that you know you can get additional relevant opinions from outside LMG

[@notbfg9000]

They just needed a real artist this time, no offense to Sarah.

[@Singlephase]

I thought these 2 had great chemistry

[@hjr2000]

@@notbfg9000 Sarah is a graphic designer, your comment seemed pretty nasty to me.

[@tequilaasalt]

100%

[@NadeemAhmed-nv2br]

​@@notbfg9000graphic designers don't use pencils to draw but are more on the web development side of it. Lmg doesn't really needs a hands on artists which is why they don't have 1

[@kizuati]

Still absolutely the different vibe Mac Address has from the rest of LMG & KZbin generally. Great narrativizing and has such a lovely tone.

[@diabolo1809]

Even the comments here are different compared to other tech channels. I do not own any apple products but I always watch mac address videos

[@notbfg9000]

@diabolo1809 Same. I don't own Apple products but I like Jonathan's style of making videos. I always watch them in fullscreen.

[@SethWistful]

The only LMG channel I watch at this point, and like others, I don't own apple products. Those this channel does make me apple curious - the air is sooo cool

[@TheMelbournelad]

It breaths the apple vibe. It speaks to there people. Helps when siloed inside bigger channel so doesn’t need to pander to get big audiences to make money

[@SarahKchannel]

I think Apple needs to start to understand that "Pro" does not mean more gimmicks in places nobody is looking for it, but rather reduce the gimmicks to maximum. Just the features that are really required - like 2-3 actually buttons that can be remapped when needed. A thing that rarely gets mentioned is, that the Wacom pens do not need to be charged like the Apple ones. My Apple ones seem to die always when I need them the most.

[@haomingli6175]

Apple knows what they are doing. The Pro branding, is mostly, just branding, in other words, marketing. And of course, the features associated with the Pro branding are things that wow the consumers who have enough money to waste but are not necessarily real professionals.

[@corvacopia]

⁠​⁠@@haomingli6175I mean, the Apple Pencil “Pro” is the same price as previous main Apple Pencils, the only price increase is it only supporting the newest iPads

[@JamesR624]

No no. For Apple. "Pro" aboslutely means more gimmicks because their actual market is NOT Professionals. It's people who have too much money and THINK they're professionals.

[@breadone_]

tbf since the apple pencil 2nd gen in 2018, you don't ever have to worry about keeping it charged since it's designed to stay on the ipad itself all the time

[@logan_page]

I think that they're getting there. The new MacBook Pros are a great example. No more touchbar, brought back the ports, and prioritized function over form. Now simultaneously, hover and barrel roll are both features that could be described as "gimmicks" and I just watched a video where a real professional cited them as the primary features they find alluring.

[@joelmulder]

I really like this concept of having an actual pro look at the iPads "Pro" features! Also, the Paperlike really is great. Far better than any cheaper alternative I've tried, and they have great customer support. Good way to support Mac Address if you so happen to be in the market for a tactile screen protector! Also also, just wanted to say the iPad version of Photoshop sucks ass. I made a request on their forums for a basic alignment tool over half a DECADE ago, it got a lot of traction, and the fuckers at Adobe still haven't implemented it. It doesn't even have a freakin' alignment tool.

[@macaddress]

Yeah... it's a real shame. A fully featured Photoshop app could become really handy.

[@JonGretarB]

@@macaddressother companies manage to do this. Affinity Photo and Affinity Designer are as full featured as their desktop version. The UI is a bit different of course but it really proves that if companies have ambition they can make professional apps that use the iPad power fully.

[@marcelleuenberger4648]

I switched to a "matte glass screen protector" from Aliexpress, as my paperlike started getting visible marks from the pencil. Glass will probably wear down the pencil nibs, but Aliexpress has replacement ones too :)

[@connolec]

​@macaddress funnily enough, Photoshop for the Web has alignment features!

[@connolec]

​@macaddress funnily enough, PS for the Web has alignment features. I use it on my Android tablet since Adobe refuses to develop a native Android PS app.

[@iamthatakhil]

Basically, the reason why professionals do not use the iPad Pro and Apple Pencil Pro for their work is not because of the pencil. It's because of the iPadOS and its apps. Most professionals don't use Procreate for their work and iPad's Photoshop isn't the same as the desktop one. As long as Apple keeps gatekeeping Mac apps from iPad, Apple Pencil and Procreate will remain as tools used only by hobby artists, not professionals in film and media.

[@xelaander8429]

Exactly, iPad OS is holding the iPad back. And now that both the iPad and Mac books run off M series chips, it's a no trainer but trust Apple to keep being Apple

[@tybracadabra6321]

Tho I do feel like there’s still a market for the iPad Pro. Specifically I know of a lot of tattoo artists use it. I think it really depends on how “professional” you are. Elizabeth is obviously a very professional artist working where precision is absolutely necessary, where some may just need the iPad for more simple mock ups or projects thatre more artistic and less “I’m doing work”

[@brontiago]

It’s not Apple’s fault. Developers like Adobe don’t want to port their apps to iPad.

[@zulfika_]

@@brontiago It's Apple fault. How could Adobe port the full version of their products to iPad pro if the OS doesn't support it? Why does Apple brand the iPad Pro as a computer replacement while still restricting macOS from being its OS? Stop trying to please Apple. Apple doesn't even want to port the full version of FCPX to the iPad.

[@brontiago]

@@zulfika_ Adobe CAN port Photoshop to iPad, they simply don’t want to. People have been asking them to do it for a while. IPadOS can definitely support it. Also, Apple doesn’t market the iPad as a desktop replacement. They market it for content consumption and artists/creators

[@kaifengwu6565]

I’m an architect and industrial designer. My 2018 iPad Pro carried me through my masters degree and I still use it regularly to do sketches for clients. I must have made thousands of drawings over the years. Nothing is as portable, nice to draw on, while being an incredible screen for in person presentations.

[@IamEpicAndEdit-u5x]

It goes from job to job, I can definitely see it for architecture and hobbies

[@FreshApplePie]

I've been mainly an iPad artist working professionally for 4+ years, and recently purchased a large tablet for PC. I have yet to learn it, and I got it for access to more software on windows and being able to do more work, but I have no doubt about the iPad Pro being a very capable piece of hardware. One thing that I feel like it's important to mention is that there is always a cost to changing hardware. While I appreciate Elizabeth's input, you should also be aware that a lot of artists, even digitally, do things differently, whether that's due to their hardware, habits, or preferences, I feel like the biggest flaw with this video is the lack of perspective from artists who use different software, hardware, even things like seating position and drawing angle matter too. While I appreciate that you have a professional's input for this, there's also some things you really appreciate about the iPad once you really start to get used to it. I get that this channel comes from a perspective not of digital artists, but as someone who works freelance and does this as my main income, and using an iPad Pro as my main device I've been in a unique position to compare my workflow to others. I'm glad Elizabeth understands that she's not as used to the Procreate software or pencil, both which definitely has some issues, the iPad Pro isn't perfect, but again there's definitely what you're used to, for example, I would not dream of drawing on my iPad without at least a stand that is able to prop my iPad up at an angle, which keeps me from getting fatigued from drawing and allows me to use more of the screen at once, as well as a drawing glove. One unpopular opinion I have is that I personally don't mind drawing on glass at all, I'm very used to the glide. I also think the glob on the screen might be specific to adobe on the iPad. I have not had this issue in Procreate. Definitely 200% agree with her on the 20 inch iPad. I would buy an iPad Studio type professional product in a heartbeat if it was announced! I never take this thing outside since it's pretty much only for work.

[@konachi8920]

I'm a concept artist in game dev and film industries. Mainly I use the cintiq 24 when I'm in my office but for the on the go I tried using ipads. I had three ipad pros over the years and they were nice but recently I switched to samsung due to the larger size screen and buttons on the pens and better secondary screen support. For me the killer feature of the samsung is the ability to connect the wacom movink to it and use the pro pen on the go, it's just the best feeling pen for me. I don't use procreate so I didn't miss it switching from the ipad. If anybody is looking for the photoshop experience on the ipad get Art studio pro, it's as close as it gets imo and I was able to use it for pro work. Currently I'm using clip studio paint on the samsung and it's incredibly capable too. So depending on what your workflow is ipad might work for you or it might not. I paint more then draw\do line art so I preferer apps like artstudio pro and clipstudio that support the brushes I'm used to. Hope this helps somebody)

[@Yarnooee]

same. iPad is good for starters, but for better, unified workflow I moved to Cintiq/Mac. I'm now prepare for webtoon artist, and since most webtoon use sketchup for background drawings,(which iPad doesn't support) and my iPad's tiny 8gb ram is screaming while I doing multiple pages, I can't help but decide to leave iPad.

[@xero110]

She is a stunning choice for an artist. She delivered a great argument on the topic and was very poignant. I love her energy when talking about art.

[@tjadejoh]

It’s funny. I study industrial design and we gave to draw a lot of product renders. For the last couple of years, more and more students are beginning to use iPads. Right now it’s 50/50 between iPad and Wacom, where it used to be just Wacom. As they get older and get in the professional field, iPads might become more and more common for professionals

[@ibrahimkharal9027]

Thats the thing. This video is extremely one sided thanks to the fact that that they brought in ONE artist, who only uses Photoshop, and then stems their opinion against the Procreate setup mainly because they have no experience with it. A complete disregard for the fact that it would have a learning curve to it. At least the sample size could have been increased in terms of artists’ opinion.

[@riccia888]

Not at all. I'm a professional Industrial designer/concept artist. I still use my wacom intuos tablet everyday day. I have an ipad air and apple pencil but I dont use that much because of small screen.

[@ThatIceChampion]

​@@riccia888That's good for you. But not everybody thinks that screen is "small".

[@riccia888]

@@ThatIceChampion thats not how it works in the real world. There is this thing called conditioning. If you have a cintiq 24 inch at home like me you cant go back to a smaller screen. If you haven’t tried a big cintiq and you only use ipad 13 inch in your whole life that can work too. cintiqs 22 or 24 are for big projects that is why big studios such as Riot games use them. There is no such thing as working in a studio and they give you ipads thats not going to happen.

[@PatrickBergensen-kali-yuga2005]

lol right? I’ve only been in my art class for 1 years but I’ve seen at least 4 people buy ipads like myself…

[@Yarnooee]

13:06 she point out Apple Pencil's jittering problem. not many artist's notices it, but after you find out, that thing really bugs you out. especially if your work is focused on linework like comics, or manga.

[@homecactus]

She says it’s not a screen protector issue however I found out that it most likely is a screen protector issue since I only noticed it after I applied my paperlike 🤷‍♂️

[@SaHaRaSquad]

@@homecactus Perhaps the screen protector also caused that glitch when she started the strokes. I've never had that issue or any jittering so far, and she didn't complain about it before the screen protector was applied.

[@lemonbrothers3462]

@@homecactus it's not the screen protector, it's about the way the pencil is detected and how much granularity can be achieved. EMR technology allows for much better detection than the capacitive grid on the ipad screen.

[@Heypeeps10092]

It definitely has a jitter, but i only noticed it after applying my (usual tempered glass) protector. for my comic ish style and for studying Marvel Comics style, i often thicken my lines with a rough pencil and with multiple passes, fixing with eraser. (i do not do this as much with my Huion Kamvas)

[@nukfauxsho]

Its a dealbreaker for me. I'll stick with my wacom tablet.

[@Tajjoku]

The Wacom art pen got discontinued to due not being able to produce some components, and Wacom Europe has the only remaining stock (sold out everywhere else). Reliable supply for any 14 year old tech product is hard, so hopefully they are able to produce a new pen with barrel rotation within a few years! The art pen works on the cintiq/pro lines which includes the movink (the intuos/one lines aren't compatible)

[@titianobsidian6549]

I'm praying to the tech gods they can re discover this lost ability. Perhaps I should sacrifice some old ipads. Apple know how a new feature can pursued people to overpay for tech.

[@lumapmeow]

how did apple screw up their pencils line? it’s so confusing

[@deltadom33]

Greed

[@AchakBrooks]

They didn't. Huh?

[@chenseanxy]

@@AchakBrooks They originally had just Gen 1 and later Gen 2. That lineup was super easy to understand in terms of capabilities and compatibility. Now they replaced them with the USB-C one which was worse in capabilities, and also the Pro one and compability on it is a mess They should have just given us Gen 3 and made them all fully compatible

[@jaughnekow]

Money...

[@jivewig]

I think from the video itself it’s pretty clear that Apple is hurting themselves by trying not to cannibalise their sales. They won’t give macOS to iPad users and they won’t give touchscreen pen support to Mac users. Imagine if the current iMac had a touch screen and more flexible stand.

[@flyinggreenbee]

It has been a long time where companies slap on the word "pro" but most of the pros don't use that product for their work. But love seeing the comparison between the what apple has to offer vs what they're trying to achieve.

[@Joeysmith_256]

I love how Jonathan sounds so disappointed while taking about the customizability of the pen at 3:22

[@Oliver_Saer]

There's undoubtably a tremendous amount of effort required to get a shoot done with a third-party guest so heavily involved, so big kudos to you for that. However, it would be great if you could cover professional use cases more often using real-world professionals. LTT did a video a while back where they mimicked Linus Torvalds' PC build. In there, Linus (Sebastian) remarked "we've never really covered a developer's use case, so here you go" as though that was all developers squared away in terms of coverage, which of course isn't the case (and I'm sure Linus wasn't suggesting so in reality). For example, my development stack is full-stack web development with cross-platform app development. I'm using Apple hardware for my development and wouldn't have it any other way. It would be great if a future Mac Address could maybe delve into Apple products for those types of professionals. Floatplane developers might be a good sample for this, which would reduce the complexity of the shoot due to them being internal.

[@donnie_alfonso]

Oh yeah, that would be amazing!

[@thatpitter]

12:05 Oh my gosh the blob at the beginning or end of a stroke where the pencil thinks the pressure sensitivity got weird because it’s not actually touching the screen but it’s not far enough above to realize it’s hovering is so annoying. Apple needs to tune the pencil

[@SpaceShrimp-rk4rt]

But how is this not an absolute no go? They seem to avoid adressing it as a bigger problem

[@homecactus]

I’ve had to say this multiple times in the comments already but I’m actually quite sure this is an issue with the screen protector. I only noticed that issue on mine after I applied the paperlike

[@SaHaRaSquad]

@@SpaceShrimp-rk4rt This isn't a no-go because it doesn't happen on an unmodified iPad. It's because of the screen protector they added. Note how she didn't have this issue before they added the protector. If that issue was common it would be criticized in every single review.

[@turtledovechen176]

My girlfriend is a professional photo editor and graphic designer, some time ago she got a iPad but get ready annoyed by how different IOS is, return the iPad and go back to her wacom on Windows But at the same time, my ant who is a professional illustrator love her iPad, she say she really enjoy how it is very simple, just like drawing with pen and paper So I think it is just personal preference With that said, in many school and professional environment, wacom is just the standard, you don't even have to pay for it, I been to my girlfriend's art school and the classroom are equip with wacom. When she started working every place she work at just come with a wacom So she been working with wacom all her career but never have to pay for one

[@neobow1]

This video pissed me off when it started with a blanket statement that pros don't use iPads. But they do. Not all pros do, but many do. I mean literally one of Jonathan's coworkers at LTT uses her iPad for all her drawings and designs. Sucha bad take to start off the video

[@eulehund99]

​@@neobow1it's exaggerated but the majority doesn't use iPads.

[@greyareaRK1]

Art includes a very broad spectrum of media and technique. Some can be very technical and unlikely to use much expression in the brush, while others can be 'naturalistic' and rely on a lot of expression as you apply media. Brushes in most applications are defined based on their real world counterpoints. A brush that typically doesn't use tilt in practice won't have tilt in digital media; ones that do (say, a pencil) will already have it turned on and adjusted. Elizabeth does a fairly technical style of art for her work. A concept artist, for instance, might use more expressive brushes. There are brands that compete favourably with Wacom these days, while the iPad, though good, is limited by its OS.

[@PharanBrush]

I think way too many younger artists think the iPad just has the best pen and everything. As much as the Apple Pencil costs, the whole package is the budget and portable option. You want it because you get a lot for what you pay for, and you want it because it's portable, and you want it as a fun toy in general, and you want it because it's an iPad (a great screen, iOS, good Netflix experience, good for reading and typing and scrolling, etc). For some high-precision art applications, it doesn't beat even a 16" Cintiq, because of the quality and accuracy of the pen. This isn't just a "the old thing was better" sentiment, there's a lot of professionals who tried to switch to iPad because of its portability benefits, and just based on the quality of the pencil, they couldn't switch. Some artists do, depending on their style, usually the ones who either don't care about the wobble or just prioritize the feeling of portability a lot more, and they love the iPad and never went back to desktop. But a lot professionals also just can't.

[@notbfg9000]

An old 200$ Cintiq off eBay is literally 10 times better than a 1000$ iPad. Wacom is the king of electromagnetic induction pens for a reason.

[@chidorirasenganz]

Actually it’s well known that the iPad is superior. You can look at channels like Brad Colbow for further details. It terms of accuracy and responsiveness and software the iPad. I can also speak from personal experience as someone who has used a cintiq and a surface pro. The only people sticking with the old stuff are people used to older ways of working

[@sloppynyuszi]

@@PharanBrush it’s subjective at this point. I think Wacom is living too much on its legacy, and a certain age of people just used to working on drawing apps with heavy menus and a lot of hot keys. And that will never work on a small 13” screen only device. I’m probably older than you, and you reminds me when my art teacher got angry for us using a mechanical pencil to draw. I remember my art teacher saying no job will allow this. My first full time job was clean up and inbetween artist at Disney and we used a mechanical pencil. Now at work today I don’t think an iPad will ever be introduced to a studio system. Studios would love to save money, but the apps and filing system on an iPad will never fit in. For freelancing there is no reason you couldn’t use an iPad. I’ve done some TV commercials on an iPad. Not a full production, just some elements. There is a Pizza Hut commercial in China that has fish done in procreate, another one with musical instruments animated in RoughAnimator and I’ve done a KFC campaign where the cartoon Chicken was done in Callipeg. These are different devices and no one should argue that you like Wacom better, but there is too many amazing works done on iPads (and Samsung Galaxy tabs that use cheaper Wacom tech) for people to dismiss the fact for some people these newer devices and software just works better.

[@CanIHasThisName]

@@notbfg9000 How good will it be for gaming?

[@notbfg9000]

@@CanIHasThisName It's an input device for drawing. You can use a gaming laptop. Or a Macbook (lmao Apple gaming).

[@SarahKchannel]

I am a 30+ years designer, I still cant stand the Apple surface (even after adding a paper-like film. The pencil needs for me clear buttons, not squeezy, squishy, twisty actions. Cintiques have the eraser on the back, which is just the most natural thing ever.

[@Nova2127U]

The Eraser thing is such a no brainer tbh, even as someone who has used a Apple Pencil for awhile to do edits (I render Source Filmmaker artwork then do post-edits to clean things up) it just seemed like a no brainer that Apple doesn't acknowledge. I think a bigger issue for me is iPadOS though, because I have to transfer the rendered image over to the iPad, when with just a Wacom tablet, all the files are on the computer already that did the first render and doesn't have it's own ""computer"" to deal with, so it removes a unneeded step.

[@SarahKchannel]

@@Nova2127U I suppose its related to Wacom having a petent on it and Apple not ;)

[@notbfg9000]

The older Cintiq pens at least. Some newer ones don't.

[@chidorirasenganz]

The eraser thing was never and issue and now even less so when you can just set the eraser to switch with the squeeze gesture which is much faster than flipping the pencil around. Gestures are also much more intuitive than keyboard shortcuts or even unmarked customizable buttons

[@Nova2127U]

@@chidorirasenganz I strongly disagree with gestures being the way to go because they can get in the way for some artists like the one shown in the video, that has happened even for me when I used the 2nd Gen Pencil. The eraser being at the top isn't a necessity, just it would be a QoL feature to make the usage more simple and easy to understand than having to fiddle with finicky touch controls that may or may not do what you want it to do.

[@feederbrian9457]

This was great to watch because you can see a true professional break down exactly where the friction is. The mobile versions of apps are just way different from full OS versions. They also need to work on SideCar to iron out those bugs. In my experience I notice that the video signal has some bitrate issues when trying to use the iPad as a reference monitor, even when using a Thunderbolt cable.

[@MilesRCH]

As a Professional I switched a few years ago from Photoshop with a mid-sized Wacom tablet, to iPad and Procreate. I don't have the new iPads with the Pro pencil, but I haven't missed Photoshop at all.

[@MilesRCH]

and I do use a PaperLike overlay.

[@fxarts9755]

im a professional artist too so ive been waiting for a ep like this comparing ipad to wacom! but tbh I feel like u should bring in someone that uses the iPad more next time. i know tons of artist in and out of work, at companies and as freelancers that use the iPad professionally and exclusively. so idk maybe u don't know enough artists yet xD I personally also use Ipad professionally without many problems I feel using iPad or not is mainly about taste and usecase. that's what I've gathered from most artists. some like the feel of the apple pencil more some don't. some like the features of procreate more some value the simplicity and gesture workflow of procreate. so the feature differences don't actually matter that much as long as there is good pressure sensitivity. to the usecase. there are just some jobs that are easier to do or only possible in photoshop on PC than on iPad. a 3d centric workflow where u switch between 3d program and painting program a lot is a much easier to do on PC. since there are more 3d apps and the automatic file update feature helps a lot. this feature makes working on one file on a server also much more easier which could be a studio requirement. any kind of design work with vectors, smartobjects, filters, color adjustment layers. all features that are better done in photoshop bc of its huge library of nondestructive adjustment methods. same goes for if u do photobashing. the image importing and lasso tool in ps is a lot nice to work with for this use case in my experience. in general do I see more realistic type of art coming from ppl that use PCs instead of ipads. if u however want to just concentrate on painting only. work mainly on few layers want to work on the go than an iPad works great. everything rough that doesn't neet to be 100% perfect for a finished product is great on the iPad. so sketching and concepting. in general if u work on one project/painting after another alone and not in a team, don't need to share ps files that often there isn't much the iPad lacks behind. coming back to the taste point. i still know many that refuse pen displays entirely and work on old wacom graphictablets without display. many prefer the comfort of that and the ergonomic advantages of not having to look down all the time. fact is u can do the same work on all of these to the same level. some workflows just work better on one lover the other. but coming now to the real differentiator, why iPad still lacks behind and isn't as useful professionally. it has mainly to do with ipados (yes again). the filesystem still sucks and the sandbox app system wont allow for many standard workflows that are common on PC and mac. synchronizing any files with other ppl u work with (that might not have a mac and airdrop) is a pain in the ass. and that's usually a huge advantage on PC. 3d apps also still aren't there yet and I don't see them ever be as good bc apple refuses to just let us use mouse and keyboard without touch interface. same for animation. still not there yet. the sandbox system also makes it difficult to share a single file between these programs. In general not bein able to use PC apps is an obvious disadvantage -- For hardware: only a few things that could be improved but what appl prob will never do a thicker pencil with normal clicky buttons is just better. yes squeeze is better than nothing but nothing beats a button. bigger ipads. an iPad with a stand or vesa mounting points. In conclusion.: there are lots of artist using iPad professionally. tho most also need to use a PC in addition to it. if even just for sharing files. some also use both for their individual strengths. its mainly just taste IpadOS still sucks tho and makes it impossible to use for some specific workflows. Quality apps are everything Wacom and photoshop is not perfect either but the have been the standard for so long that many are just used to it.

[@oreowiskers]

Haven't seen it yet, but as an animator, apple is a complete non option for me. there's zero software for ipads/ tablets that's anywhere near what you need for real projects ^_^; i use a screenless tablet which you can get for like $130 and that's the larger size they offer! Also, as an illustrator & animator & designer, I much prefer screenless over screen tablets; it saves my neck from having to hunch over, and once I got over the initial hand-eye coordination bit, I don't even think about it when I draw anymore :o) The other thing is that CSP (very common art program for illustrators who don't want to use Photoshop) is a subscription on an Ipad and only a single time purchase on computer loool I've tried to Sidecar things (maybe it's better now?) and it's always been so laggy that brushstrokes come out janky

[@Muxeroth]

I mean you don't have to hunch over if you have a stand

[@estycki]

I used to have a Wacom intuos, big one, I miss it. Nothing really compares to that comfort and compatibility that I’ve tried. I got a budget monitor tablet and the resolution is pretty bad, but I can’t afford a professional monitor tablet.

[@AchakBrooks]

Really, Procreate dreams is great, no? I'd love a 27" ipad screen.

[@oreowiskers]

@@Muxeroth Based hahaha I used one with a stand when I was doing some gamedev stuff a bit ago and I still felt like I was shrimping but maybe just skill issue? ^_^

[@oreowiskers]

@@AchakBrooks Ooooo, kind of a meh from me- I'm not a professional but I work with some animators in a little collective and I've heard some pretty mixed things, I think it can be super great in the future but the selection stuff is apparently really unfun to work with (which also makes transforming / resizing things unfun) Toonsquid seems like the best option rn, but I use Opentoonz since it's fully featured and free! Only on computer though, not for tablets or phones

[@trungnguyenarts7995]

Finally I see a professional artist and a great comparison. Thanks for showing people what a PRO is.

[@TehBrian]

why is the MA logo at 0:42 so badly stabilized 😂

I've been a MS surface user for 10 years now. I've tried all the first party pens, and many 3rd party ones. But still to this day my favourite is the Bamboo one. Everything just felt right on it from the first use. I still miss it, and secretly hope they'll bring out a new model for the new MPP version. The video was awesome!

[@asideofthings2526]

This must be the best review of this kind I ever saw… thanks MA for this great work!

[@JeskidoYT]

In today's episode, Jonathan is alone with an artist. Just to compare brushes. Nothing else of course.

[@LangleyNA]

Wonderful background in the outro! Props, Elizabeth. :) Great work, JH and LMG.

[@sammcdaniel1564]

Love that you brought in a professional. Would love more of these videos

[@BrazenNL]

Looking at the finished work at the end full screen really surprised me. Nice work!

[@unorthodoxbox]

I’m not a professional artist but I’ve been doing art for a decade. I’ve had a cintiq 13HD, now on the Cintiq 16. I got my first iPad in 2019, the iPad Air 3 and recently upgraded to the iPad Pro m2 model this year. For me the iPad is mostly my travelling art companion, with Dropbox I can work pretty much any of my projects anywhere. It’s awesome! Still though when I’m at home I just wanna use my cintiq over the iPad, Why? I just like the feel of my cintiq and the Wacom pen. It's a bit hard for me to explain but the Wacom pen feels better to me, the Apple Pencil is no slouch though but there was a curve in my experience getting use to drawing with the Apple Pencil and iPad. Though this is just likely preference. Also I’m using windows, I can customise to my hearts content, that’s not possible on the iPad. As this video shows, because applications aren’t the same as their pc counterparts it makes it difficult to invest in those apps. This is why my main app of choice is Clip Studio Paint on desktop and iPad as both applications are the same. It makes it a lot easier to invest time and use both and move back and forth when both applications behave and even look the same because you know what you’re walking into. For professionals that also makes it easier to jump right in and get on with work. Overall, iPads good, it’s got great tools and it was worth spending nearly £1400 on my iPad Pro for the bigger screen. 🙂

[@RyanCrossOfficial]

Thanks. Having someone that has used both sets of tools extensively is a much stronger point of comparison than someone who was just shown a new tool and expected to be a direct comparison to a long standing alternative daily tool. I'm curious - have you been using the new Pencil Pro? with the barrel roll and hover? I quite enjoy the v2 Pencil, but I'm no pro artist, just sketching, diagrams, and hand writing notes.

[@unorthodoxbox]

@@RyanCrossOfficial I own the M2 model and an older magnetic apple pencil. Due to sudden circumstances earlier this year (before the release of the newest iPads) I was given the option to get an M2 iPad and I took the leap. So I've got the hover feature which coming from an older iPad I didn't realise how much I needed that. It's really helpful to be able to know where your cursor is and what shape the brush is before doing anything, before it was slap it down and see what it does. Whereas on my Cintiq, I've always had the cursor so it was easier to gauge what I was doing and what tool was active. I've had a chance to try the newest pencil in an apple store on Procreate and I do like it a lot, I haven't had a chance to try it in Clip Studio Paint. The barrel roll would be helpful and the squeeze would be great. I can see myself using both. If it had been possible to buy this pencil seperately for older models, I'd have bought it in that moment, in the store. Literally I was Fry from futurama in that moment. "Take my money!" Thing is though I do not want to upgrade everything just for a pencil. So for now I'm sticking with what I've got and honestly it does the job really well. Hopefully that answers your question.

[@RyanCrossOfficial]

@@unorthodoxbox thanks. I was just trying to clarify your experience, but you've added extra details that also add depth.

[@ArcturusEmrys]

6:44 Keep in mind that this WILL wear down your Apple Pencil stylus - ask me how I know!

[@profosist]

I mean that's why the tip is replaceable? It's the same reason and is even more the case on a Wacom. I had a project with a ton of shading, you should have seen that Wacom tip! Looked just like a pencil you never rotated during use.

[@Kartanaunfolded]

Lol but at 10 bucks, do you want to be spending money on your already super expensive tech? For 3 nibs

[@profosist]

@@Kartanaunfolded I mean generally speaking people wearing through them that fast are doing it to make money figured into your costs just like a mechanic would brake clean and shop towels

[@daewiedit]

@@profosistusing for 2 years didnt changed the nibs once

[@profosist]

@@daewiedit depends on the project. It's usually shading that gets me

[@GideonFoxo]

That finished art is so stunning holy cow!!

[@null-0]

Never expected this from Mac Address. Love the video, from an artist.

[@kaarthik9]

what a well produced video Jeezus. Kudos to everyone involved

[@alexbiketester]

This is a good video I like the fact you have an external professional who knows what they are doing with a clear and important opinion.

[@mikehudgins8545]

I’m not nearly as good as the creator you used in the video, but what I personally do is use the new iPad Pro for professional illustrations and comps, and I’m subscribed to Shadow PC. This way I can use the best screen in the world for creating and I’m not held back by the software on the iPad. It costs $20/mo for Shadow but I find that combo on the iPad Pro fucking impossible to beat tbh. If you’re interested maybe make a video on this use case. I use the Razer Naga V2 Hyperspeed with it in Bluetooth mode, because annoyingly the new Magic Keyboard doesn’t work on Shadow PC for some reason. Shadow says it’s because Apple locks things down, which doesn’t surprise me. Still yet I haven’t seen one person mention using the advantages of the iPad Pro tandem oled in the cloud computing context.

[@rayweiler1221]

I've used an intuos xl for well over a decade for work everyday. I don't have to give up desk space like a cintiq and most importantly, it's way more ergonomic. Which is critical when it's 10 hours a day, every day for decades

[@scottwascher1505]

Thanks for asking and featuring artists.

[@Jang09]

Professionals use both. There's a lot of factors involved in choosing what device you use and iPads and Cintiqs aren't the only choices either.

[@koyodraka]

I agree, this video is kind of shallow on that aspect. Not to mention both Wacom and Apple are overpriced. There are many alternatives out there that are way more affordable. Don't waste money on Apple and Wacom.

[@deadsm]

Thank you for making this video. As a Samsung Tab user, I hope every day that the next tablet just full on supports a wacom propen 4 that has roll support. It's crazy that we have 3 good options and all of them have significant compromises.

[@MarkHyde]

More professional guests please - the application of tech to how working professionals use them is an awesome content -approach :)

[@JimmyLamStudio]

It’s really more about whether the software you need is well optimized for your workflow. You just adapt and compromise with everything else.

[@ssaaffuu]

Wacom drawing tablets were my only option until about three years ago when I started using the iPad Pro with the newer Apple Pencil. With my work ranging from full illustrations to simple sketches, I've found Adobe Fresco on the iPad to be incredibly handy for on-the-go creativity. However, I still need to switch to my laptop to finish some pieces. Even with that, I’ve come to love the iPad for its versatility and portability

[@jivewig]

I think this is a missed opportunity to cover the surface pen. It has a soft rubbery nib to avoid that “clicky” feel.

[@SimonBauer7]

so does pretty much every other one. only apple has hard plastic tips by default

[@ebiooo]

​@@SimonBauer7probably because they wanted to lean on the "pencil" name so they shaped it like a regular pencil

[@neebuandsocanyou7557]

The surface pen is actually pretty bad for drawing on my surface pro 7. You can't draw diagonal lines without it jittering due to the type of pen sensor thing they use, which is super disappointing.

[@nickthaskater]

Surface uses the Microsoft Pen Protocol (MPP) and it has always been awful. Drawing on my Galaxy with an S Pen is far better (thanks, Wacom).

[@joinixfy]

One of the BEST drawing tablet videos I’ve seen so far, I think you should compare the iPad Pro with the Samsung tab ultra with the Wacom one gen 1 pen, and a screen protector, on clip studio (since it’s a program that works on both devices) I think the pressure sensitivity and the line quality on the tab ultra it’s better, but the iPad it’s better for painting since it has better color accuracy and the new barrel rotation that the old Wacom art pen used to have

[@stickgarrote8582]

The Paperlike gel gets pretty cloudy in a half year and it shows a lot of scratches from the pen. When I removed it, it took the coatings of my iPad screen with it. This is significant, because before having the gel on, I could wipe the screen down easily and it would be super clean and after the gel, it just won’t clean unless I really polish it or use soap. I would not use one again.

[@HungrysitesRu]

A popular ipad app developer here. FYI these screen protectors ruin precision of the reported pencil points to the software, making them wavy. Any additional thickness on top of the screen does that. Line smoothing could reduce this effect but the original info the app gets is still trash. But my artists still use paperlike and love it. Also I absolutely don't agree that pro artists don't use ipad, that's just false. There are lots commercially successful ipad artists even on KZbin. And in my company we have lots of them too.

[@HeroG9000]

Agreed I know tons of people working on iPad, lots of people from hobbyist to freelancers in many different fields too. I found that a wierd statement to say at the start of the video.

[@Omar-kl3xp]

I have met a lot of artists using iPads including my sister so it is definitely a lie that iPads are not used professionally,maybe she isn’t ,doesn’t mean every other professional don’t too.

[@MozTS]

Yeah and lots of vfx KZbinrs use blender and after effects but if you want to win an emmy you work in Nuke. Hobby grade =/= professional

[@xelaander8429]

Lol, pro as in people who work with large studios in established industries in animation and design, not freelancers or youtube famous creators. This is like saying professional movie editors were all using adobe premiere suites jn the early 2000s, no. Most of the industry standard was AVID until the early 2010s when premiere became the tool of choice for newer editors in the industry. iPad OS is severely limiting and a large chunk of animation industry professionals that have to work across teams use full fledged PCs and drawing tablets

[@TheDiymovies]

@@xelaander8429this is the fact

[@parkman29]

Its actually legitimately stupid how expensive art stuff is in general. If EVEN APPLE CAN MAKE SOMETHING CHEAPER, MAYBE SOMETHING IS GOING WRONG HERE?

[@nickthaskater]

Economies of scale.

[@fujinshu]

Because when you're the "industry standard", you can charge however much you want to charge and everyone in the industry will STILL buy it. It's the same problem with Photoshop (and Premiere Pro to a lesser extent), where Adobe charges as much as they can and people will still buy it because of Photoshop's dominance in photo editing and digital art, while if you don't use Adobe products, you're left behind in the art industry. Thankfully more enterprises are popping up and they DON'T use Adobe products, but they are still few and far between.

[@mawroone4346]

Yeah Wacom has cemented itself as the industry standard but you can get other brand that does the same thing or even better like from Huion or XPen. A lot of their tablets are under $300.

[@nickthaskater]

@@mawroone4346 Huion's 24" version of the Cintiq is $2,200 USD.

[@homecactus]

13:19 sensitivity is adjustable in settings btw

Asking ONE artist doesn't say anything beyond her personal preferences & needs. The tilt & ability to shading is something that many artists & illustrators appreciate. It all depends on the style and what is required for the job/project/work.

[@webluke]

I don't do art and seldom use my Apple Stylus, but I can recommend getting a screen protector with the same film to give it a paper texture for regular use. There are plenty of them out there using the exact same material, but they don't cost $45-80.

[@hjr2000]

The production values for this channel are so good. Mad respect.

[@iw1273]

Man, Jonathan and MAC address can make anything fascinating and so pleasant to watch. I'd watch a MA video about loading the dishwasher.

[@guinassi3194]

The wacon layer is waaaay better than the apple pencil. Even android tablets with wacon layers feels way more responsive and precise

[@JR-kz7yx]

TLDW main reason why we don't use the apple pencil as our go to workflow is due to the available software and that it's not so much the pencil itself. You only have procreate and you are limited to the amount of layers you can use as well as design WF migration. Now if there was a standalone drawing tablet that was JUST an over glorified ipad + pencil that allows creators to use it with the mac or PC, then I would use it more since the feel of the apple pencil is a lot nicer than the wacom imo.

[@please-wake-up-now]

I love how this video really dives into what pros actually think! It's so true that tools need to match the quality of the work, not just have cool features. Like, I'm all for the new Apple Pencil Pro but if it can’t measure up to the Wacom vibe, what's the point? 🎨✨

[@electromaniacal]

As a digital artist and animator, I have never had the desire to use an iPad for professional work. I’ve used Wacom’s tablets for years, including my 27 inch Cintiq which is near perfection. Fancy features the iPad and Apple Pencil have are neat but not practical at all for a professional. I like the feel and customizability of the Wacom stylus. Pressure sensitivity is really the only thing we need along with super accurate and smooth tracking with zero latency. I love the size of my Cintiq with its wide margins for my arms to rest on and my keyboard to sit. Comfort while working is very important and I can’t imagine hunching over a tiny iPad craning my neck when trying to animate.

[@NakamuraSatou]

I actually just discovered that my drawing tablet has tilt support recently. I was trying to use it, but I soon realized that the tilt isn't doing me any favors. It's challenging to control the pressure when you are tilted, and it's also hard to make sure you are on the right direction for tilting. Maybe it can be useful if I grew up with that technology and developed my techniques with it, but as someone didn't have that when I started, it's not very useful to me.

[@felsemheimer]

Same for me. I was really excited when I got tilt with my cintiq and I soon realized I have more controll with pressure sensitivity

[@wiremesh2]

I use an iPad professionally, though I'm swapping files into Photoshop and Illustrator on desktop quite often. I was converted by another professional artist who used the iPad and immediately fell in love with the feel of drawing on it. That's all down to personal taste though. Wacom feels too mushy to me now. A drawing glove is a necessity though. iPad OS is the biggest problem. Also I'd really like an XL size of some sort. Other minor quibbles with the pencil I can get over. Tilt and roll haven't been "must haves" in my workflow. I haven't tried the new pencil, so I don't know about the squeeze, but I hated the double-tap and turned that off immediately. Side note, if you're getting "globs" on your brush stroke, you'll want to look at adjusting your pressure curve in the settings.

[@FluteBirdie]

As a Cintiq 27QHD user I've been on the chase for a portable drawing tablet, The iPad I found way too slippery, but I found the Samsung Galaxy S tablets to be way better for my personal use case. Surprsingly Elizabeth's use case is somewhat similar to mine, a lot of those functions are not really needed, pressure is what matters.

[@koyodraka]

This video is heavily biased. There are way many drawing tablet brands out there that are more affordable and better than this. Both Apple and Wacom are overpriced af.

[@FluteBirdie]

@koyodraka Yes there are many cheaper alternatives out there and all valid options for artists in their use case and it is good there options to fit their budget and needs. but this video is a comparison of the iPad to the industry standard. You will rarely find any major studio film, game, graphic, industrial etc without a Wacom tablet in front of them.

[@stevethepocket]

Some drawing programs have a feature that basically does barrel roll automatically, by detecting what direction you're moving in and always angling the brush perpendicularly to it. I feel like I'd get more use out of that than having to rotate manually.

[@MindstabThrull]

Man... being a Windows PC user, I love how Horst handles Mac stuff. I'm so used to hearing Apple being the be-all and end-all from people who use their products to the point where it almost feels cult-like - and in this video, Horst doesn't just bring Apple along for the ride but well-known competition in the form of Wacom and puts them head-to-head in the hands of someone that uses them. Love to see it!

[@moonlightfilms5279]

I use an iPad for drawing digital portraits in procreate. But work in physical oil paints for most of my work, now I want to try a Wacom Cintiq again after donating my old one many years ago!

[@Yarnooee]

you can upgrade your pc with Cintiq, it has bigger screens, it give you more pen variations, and it didn't jittering like Apple Pencil while drawing certain angled line.

[@heynim342]

This video finally validated that 'blob' issue at the start of strokes in some apps.. I always thought I was the only one with that issue. It does get pretty irritating after a while.

[@GabeWilliams]

I am a digital artist as a hobby, I’ve been using procreate on in iPad Pro m1 12 inch with Apple Pencil for several years now, but recently fell in love with CSP for the brushes and how colors mixed and worked together a lot better imo. Since it’s a subscription on iPad though, I’ll probably be transitioning to working on my desktop with my cheap graphics tablet til I can afford a nice display tablet. It seems iPad is really great to start with, but if you wanna be like the pros, you still will want to use some kind of desktop tablet setup.

[@Filtersloth]

Tried adobe fresco? That has good colour blending and watercolour/wet media

[@vladn4321]

I really enjoyed having someone compltely outside of the LMG team to test things and make comparisons. Not that I have anything against the LMG team, but after watching all the videos for years, it's nice to see other professionals. Hope we get this in future videos as well.

[@Derpalerpa]

For a future video of the similar subject, I feel like you should have someone who natively uses an iPad as their main professional work tool, and someone who uses the alternative. The tilt thing is a great example. Elizabeth doesn't really have an opinion on the tilt because it is simply not something her device allows natively. Also, the video should probably be framed a little bit broader. You were asking Elizabeth if tilt is not for professionals, and it obviously is, but clearly not for her.

[@xelaander8429]

You missed the part where Jonathan said Wacom used to have the tilt feature but the customers (real pros) didn't want it so they dumped the feature. In today's age anybody can do anything with just about any platform or OS. Maybe one day Apple's largely deprecated iPad OS will be the animators tool of choice, but it's not today and most professionals prefer the comfort of peripherals that work with a full OS and just make sense and is cost effective

[@aronseptianto8142]

@@xelaander8429 no they still have the tilt feature, they just don't have the barrell roll

[@rhoharane]

@@aronseptianto8142 Wacom has a special pen that supports the "barrel roll" but most people could do their work just fine without it so it didn't sell well. Apple bundling it with their default pen should help adoption of the feature but you wonder if the way Wacom had to implement it would be worth the cost. Hopefully it spurs some innovative solutions that aren't expensive to implement.

[@shadowvampwolf]

the size is prob gonna be the big deciding factor for some artists cause u even w the largest size ipad its still not as big as the biggest size cintique but the younger generation are prefering the ipad. i find it as something thats good to have when u wanna travel or u dont have a permanent desk to art on

[@damngoodenzo]

Great insight, I love how this channel is constantly pursuing specific topics and usd case scenarios

[@shonen84]

Great video. I think you guys should do a “What do actual Pros think?” series every time after an Apple event. When it’s good, it’s good. When it’s not, we’ll hear it as well.

[@wave02wave]

Did you already get a glance at the Lamy Safari Note+ for the iPad?

[@nukfauxsho]

Tilt has been in Wacom Tablets since the 3rd gen i believe. It had it when i was working with my wacom 3rd gen in 2007. I never use it though. I've never had to configure it to use it either. Its built in.

[@riveraluciano]

I got into digital drawing and painting not too long ago, but have been drawing my whole life and have used Cintiq, Wacom, iOS and Android. Eventually I went for the Android experience mostly because of platform bias and got myself a Samsung Tab S9 Ultra, but I can assure anyone that the Cintiq experience with Photoshop (or CSP, Fresco, etc) is just incredibly superior. The only thing I do see myself using is the tilt real time preview, though it's still a gimmick because it takes a really short time to get used to the tilt function when drawing digitally. So yeah, like others have said, the term "pro" is used very loosely, as it always has been.

[@awlabrador]

I don’t know any digital artists, but from what I’ve seen, some STEM college students use the Apple Pencil. It doesn’t replace paper notebooks and pens or pencils for taking notes, but for a non-paper approach, it’s better than a keyboard for sketching out math, physics, or engineering problem sets. The Apple Pencil may eventually be a case of a technology evolving a use for which it wasn’t originally envisioned.

[@ibrahimmshidiq]

I'm a professional illustrator and i love apple pencil and ipad pro, i mainly make picture book and i know lots of artist swear by it, the pencil is one of the best, ipad performance is good enough and you can work anywhere with it. for illustrator in animation industry it is a bit different, photoshop and wacom is still the standard, it's reliable for studio workflow. i'd say if you want to work in animation industry like her get a decent pc or mac with pen display like wacom, for picture book illustration and many more field, ipad pro is actually a good and much more convenient. every artist has different workflow tho so it's good to try different device if you can and see which one suits you better. cheers

[@zackhafdesigns]

So, I use an iPad daily for my design work. I used to be Cintiq only, and so I put a paperlike screen protector on right away. I found 2 major flaws : it eats nibs ( I had to buy replacement packs regularly) and the screen clarity that is great on an iPad was totally gone. No matter how nice the protector is, it is putting a layer between you and the screen. I bet, if you gave the iPad and a challenge of use it for a month, most would switch. I can sketch in my yard, on the couch, create CAD models on a plane, and then I have my iPad with all the content it is great for. I would never go back to being stuck at a desk for creative work, it’s antithesis to that process for me.

[@dotmatrix]

I absolutely love the more story based approach of Mac address. Great job as always.

[@davidcao3942]

You should use a MAT tempered glass screen protector (or buy a nano textured screen version of iPad) if you want the feeling of Cintiq, because that's what Wacom applies to their screens.

[@PrimePixelYoutube]

The final drawing looks so good 😭😭😭

[@notbfg9000]

I'm a Windows hobbyist artist. Most expensive tablet I purchased new is the Wacom Intuos Large with an Art Pen. It's good enough. A Cintiq would be nice but I don't need it. Also pen roll probably got discontinued because of abysmal software support. My pen has it but I can't use it with SAI or openCanvas. Painting in Photoshop is nasty cause they have a very bad brush blending engine (the way paint mixes when you paint over an existing area, Photoshop just doesn't do that, or at least didn't for the longest time and I think CC 2015 is the last one I bothered to -pirate- try) I would try an iPad just to say that I tried it, but I don't see myself buying one.

[@ginemginem]

The Cintiq DOES have barrel roll - you just have to buy the additional pen that supports it. Also, the fact that enabling pen tilt in Photoshop is a pain is a Photoshop problem - Photoshop IS NOT good for digital painting, and if you respect yourself as a digital painter you better avoid it and use any other piece of software that's actually made for digital painting (my personal recommendation is Krita, it's free and loads better optimised)

[@ginemginem]

Ultimately all the critiques of the Cintiq here are critiques of Photoshop. Mind you, this comes from a person that's not a fan of Wacom and is going to jump ship to some of the Chinese alternatives when my tablet dies.

[@prakharchaurasiya8107]

I loved hearing the perspective of an actual professional. I don't know how you found someone who is this comfortable in front of a camera.

[@Randomness662]

I know the Pixel Tab doesn't compare, but it does have a nice 3rd party paper-like film that instead of being a permanent screen protector, can be taken on and off freely. If you can get your hands on something like that for the iPad, HIGHLY recommend. Paper-like screen protectors feel great, but tend to wash out colors, so being able to easily take em off when consuming content is really nice.

[@nobirdsnomasters]

I know quite a few people working in feature and show animation. Most if not all of them use the ipad and procreate as their primary device (often with paperfeel screen protectors) and then do other steps on a wacom in photoshop

[@mmpsp693]

Not sure if I follow Jonathan approach to the video, he seemed disappointed when Elizabeth showed the short comings, instead of being neutral. Maybe I'm in the wrong though.

[@bofadeez.]

7:57 she clearly clocked that

[@_Ker]

I mean, if you genuinely thought something was one way but you discover it’s not, then anyone would get disappointed. The video seemed to be recorded ‘live’ and not scripted like all other KZbin videos (pre-scripting a video often makes the delivery more monotone, but potentially more impartial). Different people react to things differently, in my opinion, it’s what they do with the information that matters.

[@PanoWorks]

This just wasn't really a good piece in general. Saying that the Apple Pencil Pro has tilt while the Cintiq "requires meticulous configuration in Photoshop" is comparing how one pencil works with one piece of software (he said Procreate how many times in this video?), with how another pencil works with a completely different piece of software. But to your statement... yes, he seemed disappointed, which absolutely tracks for the channel. This is LTT's pro-Apple channel (as opposed to their not-pro-Apple, wouldn't say anti-) after all. Tellingly, listen to what Jonathan says at 1:38; "I'm worried that this is gonna be a lot harder than I initially imagined". As it's not spelled out, take a guess as to what the "this" in that sentence is referencing. A neutral comparison isn't hard or easy, it just /is/. But it got the point across. For 'studio professional' work it's not quite there yet, but for practically everyone else there's simply nothing else like it on the market for the price.

[@GavinandthePiano]

I think it's more likely that jonathan was just excited about all the new features and was very excited to introduce a windows user to a possible apple product that they might've not considered. He was surprised by her bringing up aspects of the workflow that he hadn't considered, but that's the whole premise of the video: presenting a perspective that he doesn't have a real frame of reference for. He isn't neutral himself because he's an apple enthusiast who cares a lot about the tech. I see nothing wrong here

[@Karthig1987]

Exactly

[@sodapone]

Going over what features the styluses on each side of the fence do and don't have has me appreciative of Apple pushing the iPad into the professional space more-Wacom's been very complacent all these years because so far no one's had the tech R&D to match them. I hope future Apple Pencils don't need to charge anymore and have more levels of pressure sensitivity, and I hope Wacom styluses get hover and barrel roll. And I think it would be interesting if Wacom got into Android tablets like what Huion and XP-Pen (IIRC) are doing...

[@Marc.Google]

Great take on a neat subject and also love seeing new guest appearances!

[@cosmodious1755]

The size change when tilting different brushes is so unpredictable that even as someone who works 90% on an iPad I almost never use it. Just change the size of the brush

[@dkdevil3490]

I use both the Apple Pencil pro with the iPad Pro as well as a Wacom contiq in my work. The Apple Pencil is fantastic, but it’s got 2 major flaws: the short battery life and the fact that it’s locked to the iPad. Being able to use it on a larger screen tablet would be fantastic and having a lot more professional software options to use with it would make it a lot more easy to justify.

[@michaelcolley5776]

We use XP pen or Huion tablets, they’re knock offs that work great for a fraction of the price of a cintiq. The colors aren’t as perfect, but for what we use them for they’re good enough. Otherwise they work amazingly.

[@tanvir.m85]

a point that wasn't mentioned is the ergonomics, the cintiq basically feels like a drawing board while the ipad feels like a notepad you would normally make quick sketches on

[@XXerky]

I dislike how Mac Address has so videos a few week unlike LTT but man each one is so unique and different from a lot of other Apple related content out there. Would be interested to see more content industry related. Like Engineering, Sound etc.

[@gokkiyoutube]

Not directly art related but for work i need to use Microsoft's suite (office, sharepoint, teams, etc...) and those apps are severely cutdown to the point of uselessness. Only Teams is usable, the rest i use on Windows desktop.

[@41chemist19]

It doesn't take a genius to realize the optimal form factor is macOS with a 360° hinge laptop and a touchscreen.

[@profosist]

You'd be surprised how poorly that's implemented and how infrequently those features are used even though it's been a standard Windows feature for a decade. I think the data I saw was 20% of users ever flip it into any other mode other than laptop in a large percentage of those users never even use the touch screen You might be wondering why did they buy it then well that's the thing being advertised marketed and on sale also you think at the time of purchase Oh that's a cool feature I'll use that and never do It's similar to how the surface is a not great laptop despite being a great tablet but always being marketed with the keyboard. Most effective use cases of it have specific mounts or accessories and if they don't the keyboard is the minority of use. I'd argue in the same way if somebody's primarily using a surface with a keyboard attached they would probably be better off with something else in Microsoft's line.

[@matt_kelly]

Man, you really did her dirty in the thumbnail! Otherwise an interesting video, though I know the only reason I prefer some software is that I'm familiar with it, even if the other choice is better.