Mad Therapy? "Satanic Panic" and Multiple Personalities: Solid Ground #57 with Karen King

[@christianbolt5761]

Solid Ground is a great and accurate name. It could also have been called “Welcome to Sanity Island”. I find these discussions so cathartic.

[@ellie698]

I'd like to live on Sanity Island!!!!! 🙏🙏🙏

[@williamjmccartan8879]

Congratulations on 20k Leslie, hello Debra, Jen, and Karen, thank you for sharing your time and work, peace

[@theradicalcenter]

Thank you, William!

[@nicholasboeder1958]

A great and important conversation..as an LCSW I am really happy to have found this group

[@3845wb]

1st time viewer, enjoyed the discussion. Just subscribed.

[@delightfuldissident859]

Welcome! I'm glad you are here!

[@danwohlslagel1277]

My sister graduated in 1985, and 4-5 years afterward - while undergoing psychotherapy- she called home from Colorado to announce to the entire extended family that my father had "sexually molested" her when she was a toddler. My father denied it to his death, and some years after he died - she confessed to me that she had been mistaken all along. I have to think that she was guided to that conclusion by her therapist and it took her 20 years to figure it out.

[@WonderfulWorldofAwesomeness]

My siblings and I *were* sexually abused, by the bare minimum concept of sexual abuse (inappropriate touching followed by cackling on the offenders part,) on the daily by another sibling. But my older sister has decided that our Mom beat her and threw her down the stairs. There was an incident with my Mom smashing a cake onto my sisters head that my mom joked and bragged about for years, as if she’d stood up to some great bully that was tormenting her. Until My sister informed her that this wasn’t funny, and that she hated her for it, and that it felt like a knife plunging into her heart every time my Mom joked about it. Then she stopped discussing it. But there was never any apology. I often think that my sister made up the other abuse because she couldn’t comprehend the pain and damage this constant low level of stress had caused her. I forgive my Mom because she had been abused, and didn’t know how to be a parent. But that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen and I still need to work on myself to fix it every single day. I guess my point is that I think sometimes people exaggerate or even make up things in their mind to explain the damage they feel inside themselves.

[@danwohlslagel1277]

@@WonderfulWorldofAwesomenessI'm very well aware of why it happened. The point is that for someone to imagine something so specific -- that didn't actually take place- and to make a formal accusations which had the potential to wreck someone else's life, they had to have been guided by another person. In this case that person was a perceived "expert"/ authority figure, and had the power to influence her thinking. A therapist.

[@WonderfulWorldofAwesomeness]

@@danwohlslagel1277 Yeah, that’s so crazy. I don’t understand where these experts thought they were getting this stuff. I also don’t get why so many “experts” are getting this idea that people are multiple personality disorder (fictitious disorder or whatever it’s called now.) These trends in “experts” pushing people into believing these things says so much about how much power and control “experts” have.

[@dontarguewithidiots7459]

Thank you for reading my comment "on the air" so to speak. I squealed with girlish glee when I heard it! It speaks to the effect you all have on your listeners. We live in a deeply unsettling time. Information is power and we are beset by so many powerful forces trying to control what we see/hear/think. It means so much to hear decent, thoughtful, humane perspective. I meant what I said when i said you helped keep my sanity. God bless you for the work you all do. It means more than you know.

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

Leslie, My "you know who person" took what I had said here to the circular filing cabinet after saying it was first time able to reach the end. Thank you, girls 🥰 (algorithm avoidance 5th time now)

[@pamcollins2178]

Love these ladies! Always great, helpful convo

[@carolineoakshett8520]

I have huge respect for what you are all doing. When i found your channel Leslie, i was and still am, in immense gratitude for what you are doing. Your discussion with Kari Smith was a particular highlight for me, but that is true for all your work really ❤ On the subjects of 'false memory' and 'satanic panic', they were things i knew nothing about until very recently. They are very connected, i would say from what i have been discovering. And both terms, as i have come to understand things now, present a public face in a very organised way, about things that deserve much deeper investigation, as indeed Leslie says here. There is a lot i have discovered about these things, and how the terms themselves are connected, by listening to a channel called 'The Imagination Podcast'. Emma there, is giving a space for survivors of SRA to give their testimonies. Most interviews are very long, 2hours is not uncommon. Listening to the first, was the beginning for me of a profound change in my understanding of what is going on in this world. What Emma's gusets tell of their experiences, of what they have seen and have been subjected to, from being very young children sometimes from birth, in their families and as part of a much bigger system that underlies public llife in ways that we would never want to think is possible, but that we urgently need to know if we are to ever get to the roots of what is driving things in terrible directions. The testimonies of these people are harrowing, but also inspiring in the way they have overcome what they were meant never to be able to. Each has taken years, usually decades, firstly to even remember what happened to them, and recover enough to be able to speak of it. Each survivor in their own unique way, has deep clarity and inner strength. The Imagination Podcast ( it is on yo utube.)

[@occamsstubble]

Several things. I believe I've treated 6 DID clients, one that I was never sure I believed, and one I never diagnosed specifically. What I find interesting about individuals on tiktok who claim to have DID is that the clients I've had at least would probably literally rather die than get this kind of public exposure. The one I wasn't sure about was the only one that told me in the first session, and another one took like 3 months to mention her roommate had reported talking to an alter. Seems to me the value of the disorder is to be able to "blend in" or respond in context-appropriate ways to various (and often severely opposed) situations. Drawing attention seems to me to be the opposite of the goals. However .. small sample size on my part. It has been very hard to find professional resources for DID treatment. I read several books that seemed to be well considered / researched but the interventions had mixed success. Pesi did have a recent training focusing on dissociative disorders that I took but, it wasn't anything particularly new. (Although it includes a clinical interview with a client) I feel like some of this discussion fell into an either-or cognitive trap. It's like psychosomatic illness. If you worry yourself into having an ulcer, is that really "all in your head?" If psychological trends come in waves such as suicide, self-harm, DID, tics, they're not unreal because they were socially contagious. Also, just food for thought: If someone wanted to run a pedo ring and not get noticed by the normies, you'd need a cover story to operate in public. Thus, they might as well fake being Satanists. I assume the number of individuals drawn to Satanism is pretty small, and thus pretending to have a protected religious belief disincentivizes interest / discovery. What better way to run people off? While the Satanic ritual abuse was overblown, my understanding is that it did happen in localized areas. I'm 2 degrees of separation from someone who has worked in one of those areas in Canada. I also had a friend that died right after high-school (20+ years ago) who told me this happened to her, but not nearly as over-blown or movie-scene sounding as a lot of those old stories. (Everyone always told me their horror stories, that's why I went into crisis and trauma work.) I don't believe she ever told anyone else, and she had obvious signs of trauma. That story was definitely not for show or social performance.

[@scottjacobson4765]

Thank you all

[@Sas1256x]

Great episode! Thank you for be willing to talk on this topic

[@panninggazz5244]

I am 70 and I was in the underground occult punk rock culture during The Satanic Panic. It was awful! Thank goodness the courts did not rule against the heavy metal bands lyrics . And those lesbians imprisoned in Texas? My dear friend Adam Parfrey (RIP) of Amok and Feral Press took a hit. The day time ridiculous programs were popular, and they were filled with this crap. False memories etc anyway. It sure shears that this is hastening again in a ramped up manner. This makes it really difficult to deal with real undue influence! I just tuned in and haven’t listened yet. But thank you got talking about this stuff.

[@WonderfulWorldofAwesomeness]

When I was a kid in 5th grade they separated the boys and the girls and taught us how periods worked, and that our bodies would be changing. Then again in 6th grade. I was glad to learn about this stuff, as my super Catholic Mom was never ever going to talk to us about this stuff. My older sisters couldn’t be counted on to help me with any of it either, and would only just taunt and shame me about anything related to growing up. When the teacher brought out feminine hygiene products and the boys threw them around the room in 7th grade it began to feel unproductive. So a friend and I got our Mom’s to have us taken out of class until that module was over. The school probably thought we were super Christian or something, but the reality was that as Catholic as my family was, it really wasn’t about that. It was starting to feel exploitive and gross, and unsafe. I wonder if kids are afforded this opportunity to get themselves out of these situations now?

[@AndyJarman]

My Big 5 Agreeableness score was 95 (95% of people are more agreeable than I am). I started out using the word "disagreeable", but that doesn't really describe what low agreeable people are like. I used the term "strong minded" or "discerning" now!

[@sarasamson5922]

Back in the early 90s I had a lesbian friend / neighbor in her 30s (formerly married with a financial career) who claimed to be disabled with a multiple personality and a satanic abuse history. I'd never known anyone with these issues so just believed her and her 'alters' without question. I didn't associate her issues with the daycare scandals of the era. She was highly intelligent and personable but also seemed childlike and incredulous. I lost touch with her, never found out if she got any better.

[@Zzyzzyx]

I don't think politeness is compliance. You can be both very polite and very stubborn. Most social situations are helped along by politeness, please and thank you, sharing with others, etc. It's social lubricant, very different from enforced ideological agreement.

[@evertvriezinga3193]

Very much agree.

[@scottjacobson4765]

I noticed on a Dr resume, he was studied in Texas too

[@mariepicard8385]

James Lindsay once said that all the woke stuff in school started in special ed. How might the progressively minded wording of "child with special needs" make the idea that having special attention attractive to more children? Maybe one of the many factors?

[@AallthewaytoZ2]

The False Memory Syndrome Foundation is worth investigating for balance. Who founded it and what their purpose was.

[@AallthewaytoZ2]

The Franklin Scandal by Nick Bryant is also excellent. He has a KZbin channel which has interviews with several prominent therapists and scholars including Jeffrey Masson.

[@scottjacobson4765]

HELLO

[@scottjacobson4765]

2002..taken over, after a work injury..lithium made me sick...so they used. Thorazine, oh thats discontinued, welll we have chlorpromazine, just for people like you

[@scottjacobson4765]

INJURY SUIT, TURNED RELIGIOUS PROMOTIONS, OR POLITICAL ARREST

[@olvaandes3230]

Promo-SM 🌟

[@scottjacobson4765]

The REPTILIAN ALIEN ...HAS LANDED

[@scottjacobson4765]

NERVE DAMAGE NOW

[@panninggazz5244]

That guru Teal Swan created an entire backstory/history of herself based on this nonsense.

[@scottjacobson4765]

I CAN PROVE WITH OUT A DOUBT THE FACTS OF MY CASE, WHICH IS WHY I WAS STONEWALLED, WHICH IS WHEN I MET MISS, RADICAL CENTER, WHOS NOW A MRS. FORGET NAMES BEEN WATCHING TOO LONG..SORRY.. The creator of this site, yes They say I THINK THIS, YOURE IN FOR THAT NOW...ITS CRAZY MAKING..IN AND BEYOND EXTREME

[@KramRemin]

I make pod-casts about the recovery/self-knowledge process of getting beyond pedophilia. My YT channel is BL-owned & operated space: the BL-content is OF, BY & FOR my fellow BL's. Virtue-Cast #6 will be an extended poetic riff, comparing examples of people who are apparently STUCK in one persona, to a few examples of people who can engage more freely, in the play of personae, tho without going too far, over the edge, and into chaos. For examples of the stuck, I give you: James Shupe stuck in mother-goddess-image mode with AGP symptomology Rowan Jette Knox stuck in father-god-image mode, with AAP symptomology. (or, God Forbid, Jeffrey Marsh stuck playing the SON-STEALER and SON-KEEPER simultaneously!) In contrast, I give a poem by Wallace Stevens, The Comedian as the Letter C, in which Wallace Stevens, as it were, goes to a costume-shop and tries on 60 different costumes in 30 minutes, all that gaudiness and play-acting super-imposed on an extremely square, "bougy" life. Also, I do a bit of MILDRED PIERCE, playing MILDRED and VEDA, in tribute to Josh Slocum, who always gives valuable testimony on living a vital, creative, uncrippled life, after exposure to A LITTLE TOO MUCH Joan Crawford energy as a boy. I think it's important to model EXPRESSING the negative mother energy, in a playful, non-forced way. Still hammering out the dents & polishing the script; will have Virtue-Cast #6 recorded and posted in a few days. Should be interesting, for anyone trying to keep their feet in the current steamy climate of GENDER-CHAOS. ---Didaskalos (an interesting character played by the uninteresting Mark Miner.) PRO-TIP: Wallace Stevens operates the poetic figure Crispin in "The Comedian as the Letter C." Mark Miner operates the poetic figure of Didaskalos in "The Rhapsode as the Letter Rho."