Madeleine McCann Case Analysis | Mental Health & Personality

[@possible1111]

“The first rule of checking on children is to make sure they’re actually there” Dr. G a savage y’all

[@sarahholland1375]

Agree. I've been wanting him to do the Mcanns for ages. There's way, way, way too many things that don't add up if you read the statements (online, under 'Mcann PJ Files' as is the dog search & crime scene video).

[@kaym.2854]

I would think so as well. Also, who 'checks up' and not be alerted on certain details (such as the door being opened etc?). The parents should be held accountable on some level because they were negligent. Also, did they really sedate the children? Wow!

[@reneecatagnus2344]

So true!🌞

[@ihikealone]

Burrrrnnnnn 🔥🔥🔥

[@jwsuicides8095]

Mega-true!

[@chicosmommy498]

I wouldn't let my dogs alone with an unlocked door, let alone leaving my daughter alone with unlocked doors, in a strange place, with lots of strangers around. There are just no words...

[@dianasimplifies]

Judith Ayala martinez exactly right. We lock up and turn alarm on for our dogs and cats. We don’t even care that much about our stuff. But my pets?? Ohmyword. I would be beside myself if anyone stole my dog. We even have our privacy fence locked up so no one can just walk in and grab him.

[@jennyjc19]

There is... Negligence

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

The thing that really made me rage was that they tried to claim that what they did was somehow a normal cultural thing for people in the UK to do! Having spent part of my childhood in the UK, I can say definitively that leaving infants and toddlers alone and unmonitored in an unlocked flat whilst the adults leave and go down the block to have dinner is NOT acceptable parenting practice in the UK anymore than it is anywhere else! Let alone leaving the children in an unfamiliar flat in a foreign country!! This is absolutely, positively, 100% negligent parenting in the UK, just as it is basically anywhere else! And, to top it off, these weren't even inexperienced or naive young parents without the financial ability to pay for childcare- they were BOTH physicians! When I had my first child, I was much younger, more inexperienced and less well educated, but never in a million years would I have EVER left my baby and/or toddler alone in my own flat, even if all I was doing was just taking a few minutes to run down and check for the mail or taking out the rubbish...let alone in an unlocked flat or hotel room, in a foreign country, for a minimum of 30min at a time, whilst I went down the block and around a corner to have dinner!! And, as Dr. Grande points out, it appeared to be no secret at all that this resort town was quite "seedy." The McCanns have consistently acted as though they were under the impression that it was basically a Disneyland-like, closed off, exclusive safe space; it's almost impossible for me to imagine, as a parent, that two educated, well-off adults would or could be SO ignorant of the realities of life. Knowing that they had access to a night childcare centre makes their actions even more incomprehensible, confusing and, frankly, disgustingly callous and negligent. Like Dr. Grande, I too think it's unlikely that either or both of the McCanns personally abducted and disposed of their daughter. And I also think that it's almost certain that they are indeed suffering very real grief and guilt for the loss of their child. But, just to be clear, I don't think that this in *any* way exonerates the McCanns from culpability. Their actions were utterly callous and negligent, and they have no excuses for the terrible, tragic consequences of the incomprehensibly foolish choices they made.

[@powderandpaint14]

@@maneckineckbeard1749 yes, i Liv in the UK and it is definitely not normal to leave kids alone somewhere with no adult supervision.

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

powderandpaint14 THANK YOU! I'm living in the USA currently, and this is something that I've tried SO hard to get across to Americans, who often tend to think of Europe as some kind of crime-free paradise, and assume that because of this Europeans have totally different mores about basic child care. I keep telling people that "Stranger Danger" is *not* just some horrible American phenomenon: unfortunately, there are sickos everywhere, and therefore *decent* parents almost everywhere live by similar practices in hopes of keeping their kids safe.

[@rafasreds5324]

Can I just correct you. Kate went to the apartment, discovered Madeline was missing, returned to the table leaving the 2 other younger children behind & on her return to the restaurant said "She's (Madeline) been taken" or "They've taken her". If this is the case & one of her children has been taken then why didn't she scream for help from the apartment & why did she leave her 2 other children in a position of obvious moral peril.

[@missinterpreted4923]

I have always thought this was odd - I'm pretty sure I would have scooped those 2 babies up in my arms before leaving.

[@Treblaine]

I don't think you can read much into that, she doesn't strike me as a very thoughtful person to have left their kids alone for so long in the first place.

[@wattage2007]

Because she's lying, maybe?

[@GrainneDhub-ll6vw]

Seems like Occam's Razor applies here: the Tapas 7 had already demonstrated that they were a group of young, entitled airheads who couldn't imagine anything bad or dangerous happening to their children. When Kate discovered Madeleine missing, she was still essentially that same young, entitled airhead who hadn't yet learned to think about the potential consequences of her actions. She reverted to habit: she left the twins alone because that was the habit she'd developed over the past week (and possibly at home, too--I suspect that she and Gerry enjoyed meals in the back garden while their children were sleeping inside without a baby monitor). A month later, I'm sure she would not have made the same decision because she wasn't unintelligent, just entitled and thoughtless. But in the shock of the moment, that lesson hadn't sunk in yet--she was still the original young, entitled airhead Kate.

[@MauriceDunstan]

That wouldn't have happened like that. The first thing a mother would do was scream loudly whilst calling the emergency services. Kate did neither of those things, very guilty behaviour.

[@johnmichaelrichards]

I have worked in anaesthesia since 1986. The golden rule is NEVER leave sedated people unattended. This is even more critical with children. Michael Jackson was sedated by a physician, who then briefly left him unattended. That did not end well either. In a British television interview, Kate McCann stated that despite the three children being given sedatives, Madeleine had awoken the night prior to the 'disappearance', and said to Kate the next day: "Mummy, where were you when I woke up and was crying." Kate said that Madeleine was given a higher dose of sedative the next evening to prevent a recurrence. My belief is that Madeleine died from an OD of sedatives and there were actions taken to abscond the body such that forensic toxicology could not be performed. In any event, what kind of parent sedates their three children merely so that they may go out drinking, and leave them unmonitored? Even more incredible for registered medical practitioners who know the inherent dangers.

[@scarlettgrey6367]

There is no proof that the children were sedated, as there was no toxicology test carried out on the twins.

[@Just-bj8xi]

​@Scarlett Grey why would kate say that then 🤔

[@atlibjorngustavsson2366]

There is also no proof of abduction.

[@scottandrewhorne4655]

Every single souless person involved in COVERING up for these souless MONSTERS can join them in hell on their D day cant they ABSOULUTLEY SICKENING ALL OF IT AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED MADELEINE CHOCKED ON HER OWN SICK POOR MADELEINE WHAT DISGUSTING VILE EARTHLY SO CALLED PARENTS

[@judysanchez6329]

Dr. Grande, this is the first time . I heard about Madeline's being sedate & Later, being sedated for the Second time . I'm a caregiver And one nite at 10: at nite I saw a man olding a baby . I fallow. him in my car To me, it was very weird . I got closer to him and asked him, "Where are you going, with this baby " in the Middle of the nite? He got a little upset, but I didn't care ? Everything was 🙂

[@lenkasimekova9234]

The most triggering fact about this case nowadays for us here in UK is the neverending financial backing being pumped into this case by the goverment without any significant progress made in this case. Many families with missing loved ones feel the same attention is not being paid to their circumstances. Good video Dr!

[@franmellor9843]

Agree

[@DavidElstob73]

If they were 'ordinary' people they'd get nothing. The fact they are doctors has helped them immensely. Also taking into consideration that the crime didn't even happen in the UK.

[@Able_Hotel42]

What do you mean progress? How many times do we have to show you the egg sketch? Case closed!

[@LoveLiyah849]

Exactly. It makes me so angry. It isn't fair tbh. They have gotten away with a lot. I doubt that If they were working class, not educated professionals and/ or white, that the government would have funded them for this long. Maybe it's the international attention this story has generated over the years. However, it's still upsetting because all children deserved to be looked for....

[@Jianju69]

@@LoveLiyah849 Why project racism onto everything you see?

[@fembot521]

As a mother the one thing I found truly disturbing was that kate washed Madeleines doll that she slept with. A) Who thinks of this when their child is missing? B) You would want that doll to smell like your child forever if that is all you have left.

[@teresahowick5197]

Yes!!!! If there is only one highly incriminating thing that’s it!! My mom died of cancer. I have some of her stuff, never washing them. That’s my mom. A kid is even worse!!! You don’t wash their stuff. And it makes me newly wonder; did they change up her room? Probably. Because if they’re not involved, so then have some hope, you wouldn’t change anything in case she came home.

[@cynthiaschell7246]

you are right, as a mom we all keep the childhood things of our kids and we would only wash their toys if they were living so they were clean for them to play with, we would never wash their toys if they were missing, no way, never

[@sarahholland1375]

Agree. I still have a hankie smelling of my Dad's aftershave. I'm never washing it.

[@crystaledwards9878]

Um, I guess that makes me a bad mom. I didn’t keep the blanket my still born son was wrapped in with out washing it.

[@yvellebradley2502]

Crystal Edwards You’re not bad. Please see brighter days ahead. Don’t be hard on yourself. You are a good person.

[@debram5650]

"First rule of checking on children: Make sure the children are really there." Priceless.

[@icannotpretend5834]

" I'm not sure this is the Only rule of that exercise." Classic!

[@mariondoyle9549]

I don't understand why u would leave your kids alone just can't

[@deborahcollard4560]

Any parent who sedates their young children then leaves them unattended in an unlocked apartment is highly suspicious!

[@ОльгаКарасенко]

Absolutely right!

[@strangebynature]

They should have been charged. It's illegal in Portugal as well.

[@Devi_Seona]

But it was proved that they never sedated their kids, there is so much misinformations about that case it’s crazy. Science said there was no drugs in the kids metabolism, they even analyzed one hair of Madeleine, all clean.

[@mcdonnellpadraic]

Yep. Highly. Medical misadventure is more believable.

[@catman4471]

No evidence that any of the children were sedated.

[@sherrydrake4973]

Two doctors don't have the combined intelligence to know that you never leave three children aged 3 and under alone, especially in a foreign country and in a hotel. (You don't even do that in your own home) Also the fact that they give their children sedatives to make them sleep is also horrible.

[@Baresi-Unico-Capitano]

Trust me, it isn't uncommon. I'm the eldest of three born to a gynacologist and a breast cancer surgeon. They didn't give a shit about us. I was 13, sister born before me 5 years younger and the other 8 years younger. Every summer holiday from year 9 to year 11, I was looking after my sister's alone! They'd go off to work first thing and in most cases never even come back till 7 or 8...sometimes even later! We'd just look after yourselves. Intelligence doesn't automatically mean care. For the entirety of my secondary schooling, I'd have to get three buses across kent to get to school, and this was in the days when we didn't have mobiles etc. One day, I went over on my ankle playing football at school. They called them to come pick me up! I stayed waiting at the school gate until half 7 in the evening. And when they did turn up, I got a telling off for not looking after myself and causing the injury haha!

[@georgerito5937]

You don’t know what you talking about (dr.) pequeno!

[@Baresi-Unico-Capitano]

@@onthehill3381 I'm sorry to hear of what you went thru but I wouldn't have given them the satisfaction of knowing how they made you feel.

[@janecatlow7027]

Precisely.....Stupid, utterly selfish, grossly negligent, highly irresponsible and, I suspect, abusive.

[@SoWhosGae]

Roz Sa I'm so sorry your parents were so neglectful. People always dismiss or don't even consider the possibility that just because one has children and has a "stable normal family" life, they truly want that. A lot of people just have children because they have to, not because they want to. It's like the "next step" to do after getting married. smh

[@ammie8659]

People can be highly educated but have no common sense.

[@manueladarazsdi9675]

They can also be highly educated as doctors and be evil as the day is long.

[@sarahholland1375]

Having worked for Dr's who struggled with a new office kettle, (I kid you not) I am with you all the way on that.

[@sarahholland1375]

@@manueladarazsdi9675 yes. Dr Harold Shipman in the UK is estimated to have killed at least 50 elderly patients.

[@NaomiIsSoAwesome98]

YES! Having a degree doesn't equal to you being a good, moral person by any sorts. The opposite is the same. You can be broke, homeless, a drug addict, and still have a lot of knowledge, wisdom and kindness.

[@davidwithers5102]

Wet Yellow Lab. I've always been astounded how true this is. Common sense ain't common anymore, which is a shame, because it's essential in life. Anna Withers.

[@jalexoneschanel1356]

The resort had a kids club AND 24/7 daycare and the entire group all REFUSED. These people decided they’d rather drug their children than leave them in the care of professionals

[@lordfreerealestate8302]

That's what makes me wonder if they did it - why refuse childcare?

[@carolnahigian9518]

the SMUG dumb Doctors!

[@annavafeiadou4420]

That baffles me a lot is one thing to refuse daycare because you want to spend time with your children and do activities with them 24/7 in the holidays you cannot do in school season and a totally different thing to want to leave them sedated and alone in a room and go out with your friends one who would want to do the latter ( =go out with friends) normally would accept daycare.

[@dprcontracting6299]

@@carolnahigian9518 the perfect word for their behaviour! Sort of 'Nothing could happen to us, we are the rich beautiful people'. In my opinion should have done jail time for negligence.

[@cart172]

@@dprcontracting6299 Unfortunately, the world is proving this to be true. They are rich and white. They are completely safe to this day.

[@musaxcoco2833]

I still believe to this day that the parents are responsible for there daughters dissaperance. Two doctors don't have the combined intelligence to know that you never leave three children aged 3 and under alone, especially in a foreign country and in a hotel. Also the fact that they give their children sedatives to make them sleep is also horrible. I watched so many documentary on this case and researched so much and the only conclusion I can come to is that her parents killed her by accident/or on purpose and hide the body away so she will never be found again. The reason for this is because when they bought the police dogs they sniffed blood in the room and in the family car which they probably used to move the body. Secondly when someone loses their baby girl in the middle of the night why would you stop looking for them and go to bed and fly out the next day a little suspicious if you ask me (if that was my child god forbid I wouldn't leave until I find them). what else is really wired is the family has made millions from selling books and travel the world on private jets a little fishy if you ask me. The only suspects are her parents. - The McCanns left the little children alone even though there was a babysitting service available and Madeleine had previously cried and asked them where they had been. - There was no evidence of a break in or abduction. - Kate and Gerry admitted they did not search for Madeleine when she went missing. - Kate's reaction to not finding Madeleine in the apartment was to shout "they've taken her". - They changed their accounts of what happened on the evening Madeleine went missing. - They initially said the shutters had been jemmied open, broken and raised, the window open. Later, with no evidence of a break in or damage to or tampering with shutters or window, they said they must have left the patio door unlocked. -Gerry had replaced a faulty fridge in 5a which the owner said was working Perfectly fine when he let the Villa. He disposed of a broken fridge at a dump, then replaced it? Who would go out and pay for a new fridge in a holiday rental? Surely that is something you would contact the rental agents about first. it would be the villa owner's responsibility then he deleted all mention of it from his blog and his supporters denied all knowledge of a broken fridge. - Kate refused to answer 48 police questions, even though Gerry McCann told interviewer Jeremy Paxman, who mentioned the "media circus", that any parents would try to get as much info as possible into an investigation to find their missing child. - The one police question Kate did answer was to acknowledge she understood that her failure to answer questions might jeopardise the investigation. - Kate and Gerry refused to take part in a Portuguese police reconstruction. - Gerry refused to comment when asked if he knew fellow suspect Robert Murat - Former doctor friends the Gaspars contacted Leicestershire police to express concerns that David Payne had jokingly made sexual comments and gestures about Madeleine to Gerry. Leicestershire police failed to pass the statements on to the Portuguese for 6 months- after lead detective Amaral, convinced of the McCanns' guilt, had been taken off the case. - They lost their libel case against Amaral, over his book The Truth of the Lie, and his assertions of his belief in their guilt, based on various evidence. - 2 reliable British-trained dogs, with expert handler, alerted to blood and cadaver scent in the McCanns' apartment, possessions, clothes and hire car. - Kate explained the cadaver scent on her clothes as due to her work as a doctor. - The McCanns left the hire car doors and boot open,explained that the dog's cadaver scent marking was due to the smell of rotting meat in the boot, also to dirty nappies. -Also, just before the apartment got searched again, her parents had bleached her favourite teddy bear. This could have been a key piece of evidence. Its a teddy, there was no need to bleach it, especially not just before another search. - When asked much later which possible sightings of Madeleine had interested them, Gerry could not think of any and Kate finally mentioned one in Amsterdam. - They then redirected the issue back to Jane Tanner's supposed and convenient sighting of a possible abductor on the evening of Madeleine's disappearance. - When on another occasion they were asked about their emotions when a possible sighting was mentioned, Gerry smirked. - Gerry was filmed laughing on a balcony a few days after Madeleine disappeared. - In various interviews Kate and Gerry showed a lot of concern over being believed, their own reputations, reinforcing the narrative of an abduction, but little over what was happening now to (supposedly abducted) Madeleine. -Expert statement analyst Peter Hyatt said he was certain Kate and Gerry were lying in interview. - Despite public disquiet over their veracity, the McCanns have refused to take a lie detector test. - Various statements of the McCanns and their friends changed and were contradictory. - Jane Tanner's initially vague account of the possible abductor changed and became more detailed. Initially, she said she did not see his face, then claimed it was Robert Murat, but retracted that, and much later said that he had scruffy long hair and moustache, to fit another alleged suspect (who looked very different from Murat). - 3 of the McCanns' friends said they saw Robert Murat in the area of the McCanns' apartment the evening Madeleine disappeared. Other people who knew him did not. They later admitted they may have been mistaken. - The police interview statement of David Payne confirming he saw Madeleine alive before they went out for drinks was riddled with hesitancy and contradictions compared with what Gerry and Kate said. - The Madeleine fund has not been a charity, nor totally committed to finding her. - A huge amount of time and money has been spent on lawyers and suing critics of the McCanns that might have been spent instead on finding Madeleine. - A huge amount has been spent on criminal and incompetent private detectives with bogus stories and leads. Year after year there have been new prime suspects publicised by the media, and police wild goose chases, diversions from the truth, and often promoted by the McCanns and their publicist/media controller Clarence Mitchell There are way too many "Scooby Doo-esque" oddities around the whole thing. I've studied body language and theirs is all over the place when they are questioned about it, particularly Gerry's. its obvious the parents were involved. the parents never shed a tear! they always talked about her in past tense too.

[@clairegresswell]

No need for me to comment now, I agree with everything you have said. There's a fascinating KZbinr who goes into great detail about this case.

[@paulyoung3504]

Spot on.

[@strangermaniacos686]

Nothing to add except the stupid people who still believe she was abducted !!

[@casey6223]

They didn’t always talk about her in past tense.

[@whitedragoness23]

Even if she was abducted then they are still responsible for neglect.

[@kentcyclist]

“Left patio unlocked” ?! I live in a nice area and I wouldn’t even leave my house unlocked with my dog in !

[@Cuzjudd]

For whatever reason, they didn't give a shit about keeping their kids safe. That leads to thinking they wanted/were ok with them being harmed

[@bettywith2girls]

@@Cuzjudd "They wanted/were ok with them being harmed". 'Wow. That's simply not true, and a horrible accusation to make. They loved their kids, and didn't even have to bring them along on vacation (i.e. pic of Maddy all smiles in her swimsuit or expensive clothes by the pool)...we always did but you'd be surprised how many don't and leave the kids with a babysitter or relative back home...I'm sure they wished they had now. They just made some stupid mistakes, given the circumstances and what eventually happened. Remember, they had done this "plan" of unlocked doors and checking on groggy kids every 1/2 hour for a few nights prior to anything bad happening, so they were under the impression that everything was OK and the kids were safe. Add to the fact that all the OTHER parents in their party also did the same thing with THEIR kids, and thought it was OK...well, obviously, they really wished they hadn't and the other parents are grateful nothing happened to their kids like happened to poor Maddy. It's a cautionary tale for everyone, and I'm sure now Maddy's parents are immensely wiser and would do anything to have Maddy back alive with them.

[@nikkilea5632]

Right!!

[@westcoast747]

Betty Smith Just our of interest where do you get all your information from?

[@thewildwanderer4984]

They changed their statements saying the door was locked and broken in then changed when there was no sign of forced entry, don't think he's looked at all the evidence

[@anothercleverusername992]

_"The first rule of checking on children, is to make sure they are actually there."_ *- Doctor Grande.* Great, great advice! I think there are far too many people that actually NEED this advice told to them.

[@bewmdogg]

If parents need to be told this then they should in no way be parents. People, if you have children and this is some sort of magic advice you've never thought of please, put your kids up for adoption.

[@lulub1433]

🤦Imagine deferring to someone who assures you they will check your child, then goes to check their own and not yours.

[@mwall8687]

Why do these supposedly intelligent people think it was ok to leave small children alone with an open door like its an invitation to come take my children. They are unfit the whole group of them . poor madaline

[@GradKat]

Because we can all get blasé and make poor judgements. “The kids will be OK in the car for a second while I just nip into the store” sort of thing. Plus I think people tend to get more relaxed on holiday and let normal precautions slip. The McCanns did a silly thing leaving the children that night and are now paying a terrible price.

[@flamelily2086]

@@GradKat They left the children alone every night, not just that night. It is inexcusable to think it is acceptable to leave such young children alone for even a short time.

[@michellethompson5638]

I would never leave my kids in a room with the door unlocked they couldn't even see the unit from the restaurant id be to worried especially having the door not locked

[@__SAK__]

They were probably drinking afternoon and night during their vacation and not thinking much at all.

[@LoveLiyah849]

@@flamelily2086 Exactly, in a foreign country. They were soo young aswell. There's no excusing or justifying that level of negligence. Maybe if they were even a bit older like 8 - it would be more understandable. But they were all toddlers/ babies.

[@marcelazimna1022]

Even when she saw Madeline was there,she still left twins in that room on their own.Good point,this case is very disturbing.

[@maryrankin9869]

She was probably in shock and not sober.

[@nmikloiche]

Very much like Patsy and Jon Ramsey leaving their son Burke in bed while their daughter was thought to be abducted. To me, this is a massive screw up. I don’t know a mother who would just leave their non-abducted children all alone after finding one of the children were missing. She could have just grabbed the twins and ran to the restaurant. She was physically capable of doing this. It just makes no sense and is very suspicious behavior

[@petrosKoliandris]

The same with Jonbenet Ramsey. The mom "finds out", that her daughter is missing, and she lets her son sleeping in his room alone the whole night. Big red flags. Both cases are about accidental deaths of those little girls, where the parents fabricated them as "kidnap" for the audience

[@Emy53]

I thought Kate shouted to Jerry from the balcony. I heard two different versions of this moment.

[@mrgobrien]

it was only about 70 yards to the drinking place.

[@AWanderingEye]

"No evidence of common sense here."

[@anitaroempke7310]

Sorry but as a normal mum u never leave your small child alone! Your child is your ❤️. I never ever dreamt of leaving my boy. If we went out

[@anitaroempke7310]

I always got a babysitter and made sure she was a good person. I would never ever give my child coughing medicine to drug him! This mother has no empathy whatsoever. I advice to listen to mr Peter Hyatt’s statement analysis on what’s happened, they tell on themselves.

[@joannemurdock7899]

Or caring or checking properly 😣😣😣😣😣😣😣😣

[@debbiethemadbee]

Anita Roempke my mother was extremely picky with whoever they allowed to watch me. I only remember one babysitter in my life. Otherwise it was a family friend or my aunt and uncle or one of my much older brothers. My parents would mostly only go away if they needed to do so. And most of the time they didn’t go away. We never went on holidays. The odd days out to the local beach were our going away. And they were as treats, not necessity.

[@anitaroempke7310]

debbiethemadbee that seems a bit extreme to me, excuse me for saying it. You cannot be paranoid either.

[@katieandnick4113]

They were on vacation for 7 days. There were 7 adults. What you do is, each night, a different adult stays with all of the children in one apartment. So you have to give up one night of getting drunk with your buddies. That’s what responsible parents do. I have a four year old and cannot imagine leaving her alone for hours so I could go out and drink. What if she woke up alone and got scared and left the apartment and got hurt? Ugh

[@wendybond2848]

That is exactly what I thought when I first heard about it. Or, If they didn’t want the responsibility they could have left the children at home with a nanny in England and go out drinking.

[@fatimaafzal2102]

And the fact that the resort had a babysitter facility and they didn't use it

[@Chloe-dv9hf]

@@fatimaafzal2102 i was going to say the same, they could’ve utilised the on-site childcare

[@sarahdrew7989]

or leave the kids back in the uk and have an adult vacation

[@jihanhabeeb7751]

Another option would have been to have all the parents chip in and hire a nanny/babysitter to watch the kids

[@antidesign2384]

Excuse me but leaving children this ages alone is in itself irresponsible no matter wheather with or without medication!

[@LovelyDisgracefromInnerspace]

Medicating kids so you can go out drinking is in itself beyond any reasonable logic. People that do that don't deserve children.

[@fionagregory9376]

Whether*

[@farmalmta]

What happened was that the child was sedated first by one inebriated parent and then the other drunk and distracted parent also dosed her, not realizing the other already had. The child then went into respiratory failure or suffocated on her own vomit from the body's reaction to being poisoned. They panicked knowing that an autopsy would find that they'd fatally overdosed her. They then found a way to dispose of her body. The rest has been a huge act on their part.

[@nicoledavies3185]

@@farmalmta Calpol is not.....a sedative otherwise parents up and down the UK would use it on children who don't sleep. Every evidence is there that Madeleine was abducted.

[@The-Great-Brindian]

No shit sherlock lol

[@christinaanthony7531]

Although I feel incredibly sorry for the loss of their daughter, it’s hard to believe the children were left a lone especially with the door and unlocked. I wouldn’t leave my passport like this, much less my children.

[@Dawn-zo2ny]

Also, they were on the first floor, with Madeleine's window facing the street, with the window open, i think...i saw where her room was located in another video...Madeleine could have been calling out to her parents while Christian Bruekner, or whoever, heard her...There was no reason for them to leave the door unlocked, so that was really dumb....

[@Arginne]

She could have just wandered right out. Kids wander! Especially looking for their parents

[@lua6586]

There’s so much misinformation in this video. I recommend watching Stephanie harlowes video it is much better researched and so many vital details are missed here

[@maureenperez9999]

Madeleine and the other children should never have been left alone. Why weren't her parents and the other parents charged with child endangerment?

[@scarlettgrey6367]

Maureen Perez. Why don't you ask the Portuguese authorities why they were not charged with child endangerment.

[@maureenperez9999]

@@scarlettgrey6367 because they didn't leave children unattended... the PARENTS did. I'm not sure how much the authorities did or didn't do to find her. Parents drinking in a bar...even if it was close by... while all the little children were left unattended in an unlocked room. That is a disgrace.

[@scarlettgrey6367]

@@maureenperez9999 You've misunderstood my comment. I mean why don't you ask the Portuguese Police why they did not charge the McCanns and the other parents with child endangerment.

[@maureenperez9999]

@@scarlettgrey6367 I guess I did misunderstand...I think? Maybe I said it wrong... Anyhow... I have no idea how the criminal system works in Portugal. What I was saying is I'd like to know why the parents weren't charged with endangerment. They should have been, but they weren't. I'm not picking up my phone and calling Portugal to ask them ...I just wonder why they didn't face any legal consequences. I'm referring to all of the parents involved in that night. They should never have left their very young children alone...not even for an hour. That is my point.

[@scarlettgrey6367]

@@maureenperez9999 None of the parents involved were charged with any kind of neglect and the Portuguese authorities have never said why. Personally, I would not like to have seen any of the parents involved get into trouble over this issue, as it would have detracted from the most important issue of a child going missing. Perhaps the Portuguese felt the same.

[@leenygal9856]

"leaving 3 children alone for half an hour"... meanwhile I can't even leave eggs on the stove for 2 min unattended

[@saggguy7]

I work at a daycare and in my state, 3 year olds can’t even be out of the staff’s sight in the same room. If I was caught unable to see one of the kids for even a few moments I could be terminated.

[@intotheunknown8386]

@@saggguy7 and the three year old was the eldest of the three kids

[@saggguy7]

Over 9000 it should be uncommon.

[@willnill7946]

Why do women always neglect their kids

[@jodiefinney5072]

@Sue Andrews if only.

[@ArifahBaksh]

I- why is everyone leaving their young children and toddlers alone?!

[@r.c.miller6161]

To drink and party.

[@wendyokoopa7048]

My sister once lost track of my youngest niece and she lost it. Like emotional breakdown. It was usual travel scenario too. 3 to four suitcases, laptop bag etc and my niece my youngest was really tiny as a kid. Don't worry she's currently announcing her home arrivals from work, school and socialization to her proper 👪 my sister and brother in law.

[@channelthree9424]

It's called parenting the irresponsible way.

[@terryscott4746]

The McCanns should have been prosecuted for child neglect. Out eating and drinking leaving children alone? They should be in prison

[@MugenTJ]

So natural selection can occur.

[@jhouse9113]

I was working in social services in London when Madeline was abducted. The view of my colleagues was that had the family been black and poor, their remaining children would be removed from them and they would be charged with child neglect. There was such anger about this.

[@ruthx3346]

Yet social services cleared them.

[@jhouse9113]

@@ruthx3346 Systemic bias

[@ruthx3346]

@@jhouse9113 Had social services ever done this to parents who'd lost one child when abroad, ie not under UK's social services jurisdiction, back in the day? Another thing was, the parents applied to have Madeleine made a -court of ward- ward of court until she reached the age of majority and were successful. How many other families had done this and still lost custody of their other children back in the day? PS: Systemic bias against what, exactly? Being black first? Let's not put the cart before the horse without looking at what the evidence shows in the reasons children get taken away. From those on council estates you'll hear the same claim, but in reverse: "because they were poor and white". Isn't it that the unfavourable bias is towards below middle-class financial circumstances & instability of the household based on various factors taking into consideration family set-up & mouths to feed, dv, addictions, previous incidents of child abuse, chronic neglect, situations where children were having to be the adults in the house, financial problems, overall negative evironment; not race first?

[@cyclist68]

It would have been the same for a white working class couple or single mum

[@scottandrewhorne4655]

So they bloody should be so angry it is utterly disgusting and every single force position of power souless person involved in COVERING up for these souless MONSTERS is going to regret the day they were born come their D day

[@lorrainereeves4466]

Leaving alone three children under the age of four is child neglect. They should have been charged and held accountable. They have always presented themselves as an untouchable, emotionless couple with a good dose of superiority thrown in. Shame on them.

[@BL-hw4mn]

will Nill We get it you hate women 🙄

[@pokemami]

I may agree that to me culturally, it would be neglect, but I do not know what the cultural norms are for them. "Holiday" to many UK citizens is much different than the US idea of a vacation. In Nordic countries leaving a infant alone (unattended) in a pram outside in subzero weather to nap is a cultural norm. So I try and err on the side of caution with this type of allegation.

[@lorrainereeves4466]

Melanie Baxter For a year I worked as a nanny in Norway. Acclimatising young infants during their hard winters was done by dressing them up in their winter suit and opening the upstairs bedroom window to let the cold air in. Never saw any prams outside unattended.

[@ruthbashford3176]

@@pokemami To leave 3 children under 4 night after night while you go out to dinner is criminal neglect in the UK and I can't understand why the McCanns were not prosecuted for that at least. If anyone left a baby in a pram outside a pub today in the UK they'd be arrested.

[@Sunflower-sh6ys]

@Laura Jane Madeline paid the price, not parents.

[@kimberlygabaldon3260]

What parent would leave preschool and younger kids alone?

[@markewings7525]

The arrogant and selfish kind

[@sarahhunter1114]

Up until covid 19, I didn’t even leave my 5yo in our apartment alone to put the laundry in our communal washers and that is less than five minutes of me being gone. Now I have to because it makes people uncomfortable having a little kid running around and touching things.

[@frumtheground]

My parents would leave my brothers an I all the time, honestly. Doesn't mean they weren't irresponsible, they absolutely were. But it's not uncommon.

[@breonawarren1507]

I mean people do it all the time but they aren’t gone for long periods of time or with unlocked doors.

[@angelaconnor4942]

you probably in the right circumstances, love how you are all such wonderful parents on here, wonder where all the abusive parents that fill the courts surf online, of course on sites like this trying to virtue signal their good parenting....

[@pathuff9511]

Glad I’m not the only person to say...you don’t leave young children alone in their bed/apartment/ hotel and leave the door unlocked so you can go out drinking! What parent (in their right mind) would think this is ok? 😳😳😳

[@debbiem6406]

Absolutely!!

[@erlindastevenson3800]

Why they ask for a nanny to look after the kids rather leaving of their own.

[@marias1609]

I am sooo so far from having children, and actually i don't even want any; so i am always a bit confused by that - in my dog owner brain i feel like it could be ok if everything is locked and the kids are fast asleep? I would be glad if you could elaborate a bit on why you can't do that - i believe you all 100% on this but i want to be able to truly get it :) like what could happen even if one is more careful than the McCains?

[@stellayates4227]

It is also odd they all left the children alone because there was a babysitting service run across the holiday complex.

[@preciousdevere288]

This would have been reported to social services normally, its extremley irresponsible behaviour from two intelligent people.

[@vkrgfan]

The situation is strange indeed, if parents are charged for forgetting children in locked car on a hot day, they should be held responsible somehow for living them alone in the hotel even if they didn’t do the killing.

[@tanyaedwards4574]

I absolutely cannot get over the fact that they left the hotel room door open at all, not just unlocked

[@terrycuster4213]

They didn' t. Read the files it' s just storytelling.

[@hollymendence1410]

I think the door Dr Grande referenced as open by degrees in this video is the bedroom door, not the apartment door. Though leaving the apartment door unlocked wasn’t “wise” and led to tragedy, so I totally take your point.

[@susanbowman3865]

Yet they were so worried the sound of a door opening would wake their children, which they gave SEDATIVES. Right, sure. Everywhere you look there are glaring inconsistencies in and around this case. Plus cadaver dog’s noses are trained to smell different stages of decomposition so they don’t alert or make mistakes, ever. I’d bet the farm on that one.

[@sue450]

just to clarify the front door was locked....the patio doors only lock from the inside they were closed and curtains drawn the mcCanns went in and out of the patio door to check the children..wanted to add of course they should not have left the children alone with any unlocked doors

[@susanbowman3865]

@@sue450 “only lock from the inside”??? Then turn the lock and close the door. The sounds of a key unlocking a door and a door opening is not something that would awaken children especially children you had drugged before you put them to bed. Absolutely inexcusable. Too many elaborate lies and stories that don’t add up. These people were criminally negligent in every aspect law were never even charged!

[@clare1971]

I’m from England and remember this all too well, as our son is less than 2 years older than madeleine. I always thought any negligent behaviour was glossed over and almost certainly forgiven because they were highly educated doctors. If their background had been different I feel they would have been villains in the general public opinion

[@irairod5160]

I have to agree. Imagine if the parent who gave sedatives to the children and then left them alone, with the door unlocked, in order to have a good time had been a single mother or father, now sober, but with a history of substance abuse. Imagine if the parents had been members of certain minority groups, undocumented residents, or perhaps uneducated, poor people who had won a free stay at a resort and, overwhelmed by such unexpected struck of good fortune, had thrown caution to the wind and left their children by themselves, just as they might sometimes HAVE to do at home because they have to go to work and childcare is unaffordable. NOBODY would be trying to "understand" or justify their choices. They would've been categorically condemned by the public, and dragged through the coals by the authorities. They would've likely served time for child endangerment and negligence. I do not know if they had anything to do with the child's disappearance, but I always felt these parents were handled with white gloves because of their socioeconomic status.

[@orcuttcat]

I totally agree

[@katiekuchen9694]

I came here to write the same. I remember this case clear as day. I was 16 at the time and I couldn’t believe how negligent the parents were! As a mother now I can say confidently I would never leave my children alone regardless of foreign country or (as I learned in this) with the door unlocked! That just makes it worse. It was pretty clear to me had they been less wealthy, less white and less attractive (ie physically or with baggage) the press never would have treated them with any kind of dignity.

[@catman4471]

@@irairod5160 There's no proof that the children were given a sedative, just speculation by the PJ who could have found out had they really wanted to.

[@irairod5160]

@@catman4471 I'll give you that, but IF they had been given sedatives, that would've been just a tiny grain of sand in an entire ocean of bad decisions that other people would not have received "understanding" or "sympathy" for.

[@esticlapice]

I'm portuguese and I've lived my all life in Portugal. Most of us here believe that the parents had something to do with the disappearance of Maddie. Children here stay always with family or with their parents, we in general, aren't like the Mccann's . There is something very important that Dr. Grande didn't said. The parents waited 3 hours before calling the Police. Why? What were they doing for that amount of time in an unknown country when their daughter was probably kidnapped? Those 3 hours gave them time do dispose the body and cover up some leads? Their first phone call was to people in England...why? Why didn't they call the portuguese police? They are doctors, they aren't ignorants. Those 3 hours would have been crucial to go after the child or the kidnapper. They swore that they would never leave Portugal until they discover what happened to Maddie. As soon as they were made "arguidos" (people of interest to the investigation or suspects) they left Portugal and never returned. Why? Why didn't the twins woke up while everybody was getting in and out of the apartment when the police arrived to look for Madie? Lots of noise and the babies slept like angels. How come? The dogs also detected the smell of corps in Maddie's favourite toy. How do you explain that? Why did the parents lied about the seats on the restaurant, that they could see their apartment, when they couldn't? In Portugal there is a low level of crime, and we are one of the most safest countries in the all wide world. Kidnaps are very rare in Portugal, so are major crimes against children. Nothing like this ever happened in our country. Yes, our police failed at different stages of the investigation and i'm sad for that because probably we would know by now what happened to Maddie. Any way the parents were negligent and they were never accountable for that, neither here or in the UK and that It's wrong. They could have left the children with the hotel's babysitter, they chose not to.

[@vistron888]

Yes, and many more other discrepancies. When you have precious time to find your child do you fly off to see the Pope? They knew Madeline was not taken.

[@marykinuthia6067]

I fully agree with you.

[@riverheight2785]

@@vistron888 the pope is another suspect of peedo activity

[@jobond3317]

I think a German man is now under investigation he was round the apartment where Maddie was. The German police they are regarding it as a murder

[@josepeixoto3384]

@@riverheight2785 **LOL** and many others in the cult too.

[@purplepixie274]

They could easily afford a nanny or au pair. As a former nanny myself, I do not believe a single word they say. It's ridiculous to leave children that young alone, for anything longer than maybe retrieving something from your car, for instance. They had no excuse for what occurred. I wouldn't even be so careless with my personal possessions, never mind my own children, or children in my care.

[@maryrankin9869]

I agree. Being a nanny myself, we must be caring and diligent and comforting. I guess for parenting it doesn't matter.

[@219cem]

The worst part is that they wouldn’t have even had to hire a nanny or an au pair b/c their resort had free childcare/nannies 24/7 and they refused those services. It just boggles my mind.

[@antoniafaheerty6980]

Exactly, I would not even leave my sleeping child in a car as I ran into pay for petrol for my car!

[@generichuman2044]

I honestly don't know which theory I belive on exactly what happened, but I am 100% convinced the parents should have been prosecuted for neglect. Whether they actually killed her or not, they are directly responsible for whatever happened to her

[@davidalexander6718]

I agree

[@themindyspin5025]

Absolutely

[@MsDana-mo9fp]

A parents job is to provide & protect the children!

[@Angie-jm8kp]

Then the whole party should be done for neglect, they all left their children alone.

[@johnhopkins3007]

correct

[@NoIdea68]

Its almost like they were asking for their daughter to be kidnapped. How on earth could parents leave their children unsupervised in a foreign country?

[@Canev821]

That’s what I feel like they invited a kidnapper but why

[@m.k.l.5515]

There was daycare at the hotel, they go to your rooms and take care of your children, day or night. Others at the hotel were useing the service, it may have even been free for guests also. I guess it was just to much trouble to call for a free sitter and keep your kids safe from being kidnapped when you can just leave the door unlocked and leave them alone to be murdered or sex trafficked. They had to hury to the party and booze it up with there equally irresponsible child indangering friends, so F the kids theres tapas food and booze at the restaurant / BAR. The parents sould have been charged with somthing, indangerment, child neglect even maybe manslaughter. Somone eles took her but if they just took a minimal amount of safety precautions like maybe locking a F-ing door or not leave them alone in a hotel room or just been normal careing responsible parents, she would still be alive right now.

[@TehApolloEleven]

Maybe even weirder than the doors being unlocked is that people checked on the children multiple times but no one actually got visual confirmation that Madeline was there, especially after seeing the door is suspiciously more open than you left it.

[@NoIdea68]

@@m.k.l.5515 I’m three weeks late on the reply but I couldn’t agree with you more. You said it perfectly!

[@linasg90]

@@m.k.l.5515 I'm late as well but I couldn't agree more with you. On the Netflix special serie of the case, in the first ep, I remember a journalist saying that he literally did the same lol left his toddler sleeping in his room meanwhile he was downstairs in the bar, leaving the kid on its own and he would justify it by saying "This is what Everyone would do, and all of my friends do it" and I was shocked to hear that! Lmao those people really think it is normal and okay to leave your kid alone, at night and in a foreign country??? Unbelievable!!!

[@adriana.ostfriesland]

It always bugged me that in the TV interviews no one asked them: Why on earth would you leave your kids unattended? Basic common sense.

[@MynnKitchen]

Ana Ostfriesland YES.

[@jodiefinney5072]

Ive heard people speculate because they were European they were much more relaxed about stuff like this. Nonsense!

[@prophetsnake]

@@jodiefinney5072 It's because they were Brits. Brits are arrogant at the best of times, and when they are abroad they become even more so.

[@sarahholland1375]

Gerry tends to get aggressive & storm out when asked that kind of question. As with "ask the dogs Sandra" re the alerting blood dog & cadaver dog & the one where he stormed out of the room after the first question & Kate sits there looking drained, saying "it's hot..." (can't remember the question tbh). Both those interviews are on You Tube

[@willnill7946]

Women have no regard for the safety of children

[@TheNerdyFosterMom]

Dr. Grande's roasts are always as hilarious as they are unexpected. He never changes the tone of his voice or the cadence, he just slides them in there causing the viewer to do a double take. A+ dry humor.

[@nene8191]

100% 😂

[@brianagarcia8546]

It’s crazy to me because I’ve heard of stories were parents have left their older children in a locked home to go to work because they couldn’t afford a sitter and got arrested, even though the child is fine. These parents get no charge even though they left the door wide open, went drinking, and could afford childcare. Plus there were so many of them they could have taken turns watching them. It’s truly unbelievable

[@Alfakkin]

True, they should be punished...they were drunk at the bar and people noticed that

[@amybarn9251]

That's what happens if you're middle class. Once politicians were stupid enough to get involved they became untouchable.

[@mariahashimoto2053]

The hotel had nanny care but they refused it... something is fishy

[@Alfakkin]

@@mariahashimoto2053 very strange and fishy indeed...maybe Maddie was already dead...many people insist in this point...that's why they didn't call a nanny

[@Ceerads]

They didn’t leave the door wide open, but they did leave it open a little. And they should’ve at least locked the door! Who’d leave three very young kids alone in an unlocked room?

[@katherenewedic8076]

What kind of doctor sedates their kids?

[@Tigerrfeet]

Selfish ones

[@blowitoutyourcunt7675]

Loads of ppl drug their kids, I've seen parents do it - just cuz they want a carefree night. ~Nanny

[@stevex8409]

They didn't do that. There's zero evidence to support it.

[@dragonmummy1]

Sabia S they,have NOT admitted to that.

[@GaijinMom]

They don’t think Benadryl is the same as sedating.

[@madelena1234]

She did not say Maddy was missing she said "they have taken her!" A big difference. Plus the window that she said was open was in fact closed and showed no signs of intruders.

[@dnr2089]

That was the first thing that struck me at the time, but nobody commented on her statement. Nobody questioned what she meant by it....

[@rk2770]

What i believe is that the parents gave her as a sacrifice to the elite ..remember a video they made when they were actually coming to there holiday . One of the tapas 7 made a comment and maddies dad said well were not here for an F.....g holiday ..the question is what were they here for!!!????

[@jessicagallagher1970]

I've always felt the same way since day 1 of knowing she was missing. I'm now in a position of having a 3 yo and a 1 yo and have a shop the same distance as where the tapas restaurant was. I would not leave them 5 mins to get milk! And if I did and my 3yo daughter was gone my first thought would be that she woke and tried to find us and has wondered off. Guilty people set narritives.

[@Cristina661224]

And she was right. Someone took het child

[@sandramullen7804]

Exactly. You wouldnt say that. Finding your child was out the apartment, your more likely to say quick Madeleine has got out we need to look for her. And they weren't to fussed to look on the days to come. Why!? Because they knew exactly what happened. 😠

[@gregm55mullen62]

I always believed the McCanns were guilty from the start when I heard what happened and saw their interviews. There was a complete lack of desperation in their voices although they supposedly looked sad. I believed it was fake. No one seemed to question them about their lack of parental responsibility and the sheer neglect of what they did. People in their defence said” ah sure when we went on holidays we would leave the kids while we went to the pub and someone would go home and check on them”. To which I say “ So what?!” And these kids were two two yr olds and a three year old. They could have choked on something, got up and fell and hit their head. I believe Madeline McCann died much earlier… and they disposed of her and their friends provided an alibi. And think of what both had to lose. They were both doctors.. had they been proved guilty of negligence by administering a sleeping drug they both would have been struck off and disgraced.. lives ruined. But no one ever mentions that. Also.. another profiler said they believed the Macanns were guilty because the mother would say “She was a beautiful child” The profiler said NO ONE who’s child has been recently abducted talks about them in the past tense as if they know they are dead. This was very revealing to me.

[@sallymjmj750]

Hell, when my sister, dad, and mom died, I still accidentally spoke of them in present tense.

[@kathleen7849]

I feel anxious just at the thought that they left the children alone, let alone with the door unlocked. Utter madness and I'm sorry to say, I just find the parents cold and unnatural.

[@sarahlund2374]

Exactly. What sort of sane person keeps their door unlocked? Maybe they were hoping something bad would happen. If anyone breaks into my property, they will be my enemy for life. Yet the point is, why leave an entrance door unlocked? It doesn’t make any kind of sense.

[@scarlettgrey6367]

Kathleen. I find the parents perfectly normal, loving people who have suffered a tragedy.

[@carolinejohnson22]

The unlocked door was probably their alibi. Who knows how and when she died. The Portuguese police suspected them, so they flew straight back home!

[@elizabethsheffield6609]

@@scarlettgrey6367 ..........of THEIR OWN MAKING.

[@elizabethsheffield6609]

@@carolinejohnson22 PRECISELY.

[@emmmie489]

So strange that they put the twins back in the resort daycare after madeleine went missing. If my daughter had disappeared/I thought she'd been kidnapped I would want my kids with me. I'd be worried that the twins might be next, unless the parents knew there was no abductor? 🤷‍♀️

[@BA-ef4pr]

Complete lack of thought or interest in their kids. Its the 'I'm a doctor and I can do whatever i want' mentality. I had a sister in law like that. Total waste of skin.

[@acs2735]

Mc Cann also started a blog detailing the family’s activities (meal times, locations etc.)in the days following the disappearance. If you lose one child, why would you tell the world about the other children’s activities? Beggars belief.

[@Alfakkin]

very true...

[@QueenBee-gx4rp]

Why has she never been seen or her remains found in all these years?

[@agathaleon9826]

It's easy to judge people....can't you at least try to imagine the anguish and despair of these parents? I believe the poor child was stalked, abducted and killed by a child predator.

[@williamgeorgefraser]

Everyone in the UK wonders how this family has such a powerful hold over the UK government. Money is still being poured into a so-called "search" for Maddy, though many suspect it is just a scam to pay for holidays in Portugal for Met police. There is no hope of ever finding her and yet these two parents manage to keep the case alive. Something dirty is afoot.

[@gca259]

While the case is tragic I couldn't help laughing a few years ago when the UK tabloids found Scotland Yard detectives getting pissed by the pool on expenses.

[@TheErraticCollector]

Same with the Ben Needham case. Always as soon as the holiday season kicked off, the British police and family were out there looking for the whole season. This should be stopped as its tax payer funded and is running into the £20 millions now. They will never find her. Its gone on too long.

[@gca259]

@Detective Halverson I wish there was a straightforward answer as to what happens next but the case has descended into a conspiracy/cover-up farce from which I doubt it will recover. Eventually the UK govt might release official documents (in 30+ years) but I suspect all that will reveal is what a cock-up the investigation was, which we know already. Dr Grande argues both sides very well (parents or abduction?). I lean towards abduction (not that I know anything more than anyone else). I guess from your post you suspect the parents?

[@stevegandalf4739]

@@harpsailorharp6716gg Freemasons ??? Are you suggesting that Kate and Gerry leaving their children unattended in their apartment is a Masonic ritual gone wrong?

[@michaelyates5976]

michael rex While the government keep giving money to the Met to continue the 'search', the investigation is still in progress. This stops any Freedom of Information Requests being entertained. The money flow for this bogus search will continue ad infinatum. Also T.May classed the McCann dossier collected to that date as Sensitive to the Security of the UK and buried it. ???

[@neenaj365]

“They worked tirelessly to find their daughter”. They should have been just as tireless to protect her and prevent this happening.

[@julielevinge266]

Collected huge amounts of cash from the Madeline fund?? Paid off their mortgage & frittered millions away on litigation against anyone who tried to make them take any responsibility for what happened to their daughter!!

[@godlesspagan459]

Going jogging and playing tennis and not joining the searches, evidence suggests they did not at all search "tirelessly", just more PR at work...

[@maytitaalonso5370]

They just want to continue with their story because they realize there is more and more available information and all people informed get to the same conclusion....

[@gracetheginganinja]

“First rule of checking on children is to make sure they are actually there” 😂😂 ya I learned this when I was a 12 yr old babysitter

[@bonniemaecather]

“Have you checked the children?” ~ When a Stranger Calls

[@Barbara-zu4pl]

Same! I began babysitting when I was 11-12 yrs old. I even took care of newborns. And my mom was close by if I had any questions. I would have never been out of earshot or eye sight of the children I was watching.

[@zamyrabyrd]

Kate KNEW Maddy was NOT THERE!

[@jackyyoung1247]

I reckon checks were fake, sure why so much credence to the check times yet they only started that from the 3rd may the night she disappeared. Also if Maddie really asked them where they was, you'd have thought they would have decided to stay with children in case. Was Madeleine really there on that holiday?

[@JS-es5ep]

@@Barbara-zu4pl I had babysitting JOBS when I was 12, including a newborn. I lived in an apt. so my mom was only a moment away in the same building, same floor as a number of the children I watched. I remember with the baby just sitting by her crib and watching her. Making sure she was breathing normal, didn't have a blanker over her face. I was just a child myself, but I knew enough to stay close to the children. I cannot understand the McCann's leaving them alone every night.

[@harrietlyall1991]

“This little vacation village was one of the most seedy places on the planet” - love your dry sense of humour Dr Grande. In fact it does seem that the Algarve is a notorious hotbed of child abduction and such crimes. In the course of the police investigation and ensuing media frenzy, it transpired there were some very shady people living in that area. One of the outstanding features of this case is the role played by money and celebrity status: within hours of Madeleine’s disappearance, the McCanns had set up a fund and were rattling the begging bowl. They then proceeded to turn themselves into celebrities and appeared on every chat show and newspaper cover they could , relentlessly forcing themselves on our attention, as if they and their self-inflicted predicament were all that mattered in the world, so that there was no time or attention for anyone else, however deserving of attention or sympathy. In effect, the McCanns profited enormously from the tragedy which had befallen their daughter, both in terms of money (their fund, which was not bound by having charitable status, totalled £3 million) and of celebrity. It is this profiteering which many people find deeply deeply offensive, disturbing and suspicious about Kate and Gerry McCann.

[@Ad-Lo]

Harriet Lyall I know! I laughed my head off when he said that sentence, too.

[@elsafralves]

Sorry, but what your sources for " Algarve is a notorious hotbed of child abduction and such crimes" lol

[@lorrainenoneofyourbusiness]

@@elsafralves There were shady English people living there including Clement Freud a paedophile whom the McCanns visited. The Portuguese people and the town were tainted by these slurs and turned against the Mccanns after they embraced them. They had to get out of Dodge fast so rented a villa in Portugal.

[@elsafralves]

@@lorrainenoneofyourbusiness well, that is not evidence for "Algarve being notorious place for child abudction". That is absolutely not true. Portugal is the second or third country in the whole world with less criminality. Please stop bullshitting if you dont know what you are talking about

[@elsafralves]

Actually the only crime I see here is neglect by parents and police

[@TheSuperQuail]

"In the United Kingdom, an estimated 112,853 children are reported missing every year." And yet this single case has received more attention than all of them. How is that fair?

[@stoobydootoo4098]

And the po!ice do not immediately treat the accommodation area as a crime scene, neither does the UK close its borders. The Portuguese were heavily criticised for not doing the above.

[@willnill7946]

Well obviously most of those are custody battles and a parent takes kids from other parent. If you think this happens thousands of time a year your crazy.

[@markpayne3852]

will Nill *you’re*

[@TheSuperQuail]

@Carl's Brother I said REPORTED missing. Learn to read. You'll also notice that was a quote. My point still stands

[@AWABPW]

Because they're middle class with a highly reputable profession. If they were working class and on benefits they'd have been locked up!

[@deliafreeman146]

They could easily have afforded a professional nanny! I'm still horrified by what happened to this poor child. Leaving children unattended is totally, and utterly unacceptable. And also alone in an unlocked apartment. Pure neglect! and a child lost her precious life! Delia UK

[@user-fi4lz2qf9o]

Hey, having followed this case since it happened, I feel this is an over simplified review which omits a huge amount of information. I recommend Peter Hyatt analysis and Richard's Hall extensive, non bias investigation rather than the netflix documentary. Hope this helps . Thanks

[@anonamoose2229]

I couldn't agree more, you took the words right out of my mouth.

[@dawn5227]

Completely agree. There is so much missing from this case.

[@jaktam8765]

Yessss Richard Hall did great work on this topic

[@mic354]

Yes

[@sandramullen7804]

Absolutely 👍

[@19dulce68]

Im a parent of 3 Children. You don't leave Children in that age alone. Period.

[@Schreibtisch1]

Not so uncommon in Europe as you think

[@eratoisyourmuse659]

@@Schreibtisch1 So Europeans completely lack any commen sense or critical thinking skills?

[@teresahowick5197]

Over 9000 that’s bs.

[@may51973]

Over 9000. That's not true

[@mojo2679]

@@Schreibtisch1 WTF? Very uncommon in Europe. You just tring to get attention? Aah diddums. Maybe you were neglected as a child.

[@Other_Reddit_stories]

It’s a shame you didn’t cover the fact that Kate refused to answer police questions. I cannot understand why a mother would do that if so desperate to find their child

[@Elkycreates]

Dawn Lindsell because the police were incompetent I’d say.

[@sarapatricia4846]

@@Elkycreates oh really? And why? because all the seven (almost a football team) went rapidly to the appartment and destryed the crime scene. And of course nobody was believing the parents were responsable.

[@sarapatricia4846]

@Paul Morgan he fits but...evidences lack.

[@susanam.826]

@@Elkycreates sure, foreign police incompetence usually explains everything nicely.

[@grose2272]

@Paul Morgan he didn't confess..

[@kcbarbo78]

The most mysterious part of this case to me is how these two neglectful, abusive parents have managed to hoodwink so many members of the public into actually sympathizing with them.

[@Ploskkky]

Crimes concerning children always get to me. How one can hurt a child is beyond me.

[@MasterMalrubius]

Just like any animal they see children as the easiest prey. Disgusting.

[@geico1975]

Yep! It just proves that they exist very mean and very weak people in the world. Folks who probably never loved theirself, and taught anything goes everything has a price.

[@Ilovetruecrime545]

It’s a sick world... things are pretty scary, for sure

[@MegaTinni]

Especially by the parents as is the case here.

[@adriana.ostfriesland]

They are easier to kill... you see it in nature all the time.

[@beanj580]

Sedate the children?! With what and why? My son has autism and is up on average 16 hours a day , and I am hesitant to even try melatonin. That in itself is disturbing and makes me question their parenting.

[@Canev821]

Maybe like Benadryl

[@janasali821]

No perfect parents, young, inexperienced, and followed what their friends always do. They sure paid the price. We have all done things we regret

[@StinaMariaxo]

I can understand this thinking. I used to think the same way and have judged people that gave their children melatonin so they could go party. I was always anti meds. Until I had a special needs child. He has been with me every single day since birth except for when I went to my mothers funeral. I was spending my every waking moment trying to do anything I could to help soothe him and his rage. In and out of psychologists and neurologists before the age of 4. Needing special treatment plans, insurance, etc. being told he is “disabled” only to be told we do not meet income requirements for disability. It’s hell. It’s exhausting. And it makes you at your wits end when your child only sleeps for two hours and then is up for another 18 hours with no support system or help. I finally agreed to talk to the psychiatrist I was recommended by one of his psychologists. They wanted to try medication. Since the last year of attempts - we finally found something that works for him. My son has not self harmed in a fit of rage in the last month thanks to the medication. My son is sleeping upwards to 6hrs at a time now. And because of his anxieties being reduced he is also eating better which in turn helps his sleep. This is obv not the case for the mccanns. But please try to think a bit more openly about medication. Not all of us who do this are bad parents. Thanks to medication, I can enjoy my son and not just feel like I’m always on eggshells calming a hair trigger. I’m not waking up to being hit by him. I’m not trying to convince him not to scratch himself out of rage. AND - due to the positive outcome, he has been approved to start PreK at a public school after being kicked out of two daycares before the age of 3. Medication is not evil. It is abused by some but most of us are just trying to give our child a happier life

[@Canev821]

Stina Maria for medical reasons is different that’s not the issue I just think they could have hired a nanny. These kids didn’t need sedatives

[@StinaMariaxo]

Whats_the_rage totally agree w ya. I just know a lot of folks who are anti meds even for medical reasons so I wasn’t sure if that was what OP was saying :/

[@Alyse-tk8bq]

I don’t even leave my front door unlocked when I leave my dog inside to go across my apartment complex to take out our trash. I don’t care if it’s only two minutes, it only takes 10 seconds to snatch a child or a pet and I’m not taking a single chance I don’t have to take

[@sandygrogg1203]

I do the same...and lock my apartment door....to keep my digs safe...while taking out the trash...

[@mabeluk6272]

Yes me too.

[@Amanda-t5p6c]

Good on you.

[@Billiard-cp1my]

When my son was 3, had I left him alone and he woke up, I know for sure that he would have gone looking for me (I never left him alone bty). That is what kids do. I can't believe the parents sedated their children. They should have been prosecuted for that.

[@scarlettgrey6367]

There is no proof that any of the children were sedated as no toxicology screen was carried out.

[@naturegirl372]

And it's not likely that one of the parents, kept a continuous eye, on that open door, while they were at dinner, socializing...a child could have awakened and wandered out to look for parents, disappearing from eyeline, in a few seconds

[@MauriceDunstan]

And struck off the medical register.

[@preciousdevere288]

Having watched the documentary and previous interviews with the McCannes, I found it disturbing that the mother thought it was normal to leave three children under five in an unlocked apartment in a ground floor apartment. Madeline had become disturbed one evening and this would have been enough to use the creche. I'm sorry to express these views as the parents suffering is horrendous. I just find this very shocking.

[@mgparis]

Yes, and the parents blame the resort security alone, they don't question their behaviour at all... they have this holier-than-thou attitude that's very strange...

[@cynthiacole6140]

Not just the mother; so did the father.

[@mgparis]

​@@cynthiacole6140 Plus allegedly they gave the children some kind of medication/syrup to make them sleep... and that's considering they're *doctors*... no words!

[@gowdsake7103]

They caused their OWN suffering

[@bluelotus9654]

Mmm I'm not completely sure, judging by their own actions, that the parents were actually suffering. But how about Madeleine , isn't her suffering important here? Stop making excuses for peoples bad behavior... Oh how they must be suffering.. Let's look to and empathize and defend the real victim here, the child.

[@melissacustalow6637]

"The oval sketch was not helpful. Who would be apprehended with a sketch like this...an egg wearing a toupee?" Dr. Grande, you're killing me here.

[@euenfheiejrj]

A kid who lost their Easter egg hunt? 😆

[@AmpleVibrations1]

Maybe some things got lost in translation,though.

[@ashleyashley9405]

lolllllllll

[@minitubb8281]

John Podesta

[@11falloutgirl11]

I know haha it was HILARIOUS

[@katerina1064]

What baffles me the most (apart from leaving children alone obv), is that when the investigation started zoning in on them, the first person they hired was... a PR manager?! Ermmm, wouldn't an attorney be your first call of defense? Very shady. Even if they aren't guilty, the need for attention is unnerving. Like that moment when Kate went out to the balcony to "cry privately", with hoards of photographers around...

[@astrinymris9953]

Yes! Dr. Grande said one of the reasons he believed they were telling the truth about the abduction was that they were "tirelessly" searching for Maddy, keeping her name in the news. I think our good doctor is underestimating that some people find all that attention intrinsically rewarding. A second factor is that after having publicly sworn to keep looking for Madeleine until she's found, they're afraid that dropping the search might be like an admission of guilt. After all, Dr. Grande did cite their continued searching as a reason to consider them innocent.

[@janettecoleman2037]

& creepy gerry seen to be LAUGHING THE NEXT DAY!,

[@Petra-R]

@@astrinymris9953 you know they jailed the killer? he rots in a german jail

[@frauschuhstiefel2594]

@@Petra-R no he is not. There was a guy who told his cellmate he did it, but it couldn't be proven. I think he is even ruled out by now.

[@margaretflounders8510]

@@frauschuhstiefel2594 Yes he is..The German's recently published that HE was the subject of being the perpetrator and so faces life in jail...

[@cyclist68]

Leaving the kids while you go to dinner is a middleclass thing. ( UK middle class ie professional class) At the time articles in papers like The Guardian, The Times and the Telegraph were surprisingly understanding and sympathetic to how the group left the children unattended, with lots of "Weve all been there and done that" Talking about it to colleagues, all firemen, we all agreed it simply wasnt something we ever did. Everyone took their children with them when on holiday abroad, eating out at family bars or restaurants.

[@nolacross3442]

I just can't believe two responsible adults thought it was acceptable to leave their children alone for any length of time.

[@Davinia77]

All of them left their children while at the Tapas! Insane

[@astrinymris9953]

If they'd been 12 or older, it would have been okay. But two toddlers and a pre-schooler? That's absolutely crazy.

[@joanofarc8099]

Thats brains for you,no bloody common sense,paired with a middle class sense of entitlement and privilege,they thought they were above any such thing ever happening to them! After all they were doctors!.......so?

[@stevechillmaid5800]

Especially when there was free child minding services available

[@BA-ef4pr]

'Responsible' they absolutely were/are not

[@kellyfinleybrown9313]

Dr. Grande. Thank you for your great analysis of this case. Regardless of what happened to this child, her parents are ultimately responsible. They did not protect her which put in place a situation where she could be taken and/or harmed.

[@angelh8262]

Kate McCann goes to check on her babies and finds one child missing - so she leaves her other 2 babies alone and returns to the Tapas bar 😱 What?!! I thought she ran out into the street screaming, “ my baby has gone” so loud that her husband 150 meters away would have been able to hear his wife.. Well that would have been a normal reaction! This story is beyond belief. Also, I would be very suspicious of someone carrying a child at night through the streets........

[@sandiuys2865]

Perhaps it was Maddie and she was dead already?

[@miriammorgan1140]

Angela Hotston ...apparently there was a night time sleep crèche on the site ....so not unusual for parents to collect their children at that time.

[@karencole7186]

AngelH I thought the same you would run out screaming....not back to where they were......

[@scarlettgrey6367]

@@karencole7186 YOUR GENERATION might "run out screaming" because you're all LOUD, but Kate and Gerry McCann's generation does not behave like that, which does NOT mean that they don't care.

[@scarlettgrey6367]

@@anaseijas3923 They were left with family members which there is nothing wrong with. Stop being so sanctimonious. I bet that you are not a perfect parent all of the time.

[@andyreddy-xy2jn]

Playing tennis and going jogging the day after Maddie went missing is a red flag for me as a dad.

[@Raminakai]

The Dr. Missed this fact. It was a big red flag

[@lindajones8101]

A lot of people investigating this online have assumed that they went jogging so they could talk about how they had found their child dead and how they were going to eventually remove her body from its temporary hiding place - probably on the beach somewhere. If they were running, they weren’t being overheard.

[@lindajones8101]

A lot of people investigating this online have assumed that they went jogging so they could talk about how they had found their child dead and how they were going to eventually remove her body from its temporary hiding place - probably on the beach somewhere. If they were running, they weren’t being overheard.

[@lindajones8101]

The dogs and their trainer smelled cadaver and blood in the apartment where Maddie died. Later, they smelled blood and cadaver on the key of the rental car that the McCanns rented, probably to move her body somewhere permanently, near the car door, and in the boot of the car. Those dogs and the trainer were smeared by the McCanns and their PR team, but the FBI were so impressed they hired the trainer and his dogs.

[@lindajones8101]

The dogs and their trainer smelled cadaver and blood in the apartment where Maddie died. Later, they smelled blood and cadaver on the key of the rental car that the McCanns rented, probably to move her body somewhere permanently, near the car door, and in the boot of the car. Those dogs and the trainer were smeared by the McCanns and their PR team, but the FBI were so impressed they hired the trainer and his dogs.

[@georginalindsay2716]

I watched this case unfold , Kate and Gerry McCann did not search for Madeliene...the people of pria de Luis.searched all night till 4am.kate and Gerry McCann, stayed in their apt. Kate scrubbed the crime scene Washed cuddle cat, washed maddy's pyjamas. This was the result of learning that the dogs were coming.i could go on ,but I have no wish to note you. Kind regards from the West of Ireland.

[@ruthbashford3176]

That is true as the McCanns didn't search for their daughter preferring to go to the Payne apartment to rest and sleep (according to Kate's book) And they didn't phone the police either.

[@katjanielsen1586]

Omg! I didn’t no that Kate scrubbed the crime scene! Where did you get this information?

[@sandramullen7804]

Spot on 👍

[@sandramullen7804]

@@katjanielsen1586 check out the numerous videos on this case. It will open your eyes I'm sure very disturbing things have been said.

[@georginalindsay2716]

@@katjanielsen1586 Hi, check Portuguese police files.they knew the crime scene had been cleaned And Staged before the police arrived.hope that helps.

[@chandracox6814]

The man carrying the sleeping child and walking away has been verified and the man came forward w his daughter. He was carrying his own kid as she was sleeping. Verified and disproved so it shouldn't even be mentioned, right?

[@22mdh6]

Correct this is cleared up who the man was. An Irish family on holiday were out walking passed a man carrying a child, when they got home watching TV and seeing Gerry McCann exiting a plane carrying one of the twins, he identified Gerry as being the man he saw carrying the child that night in Praya da Luz. All in the files.

[@markt4110]

It's bullshit. There was no "man carrying a child".

[@terrycuster4213]

@@markt4110 You' re referring to the alleged Tanner sighting? There is on problem with this. The man (dr. Julian Totman) walked the wrong way. If he really was on his way back to his apartment, also at the OC he had to walk from right to left. Tanner saw nobody it was storytelling.

[@terrycuster4213]

@Annette Johnson Which people saw what? A bit more precise please.

[@rossblack9559]

@@22mdh6 No it wasn't and he did not verify him as Gerry mcann either. Hilarious. Want me to explain?

[@kwesienos4450]

We would be grateful for an analysis of the Amanda Knox case 🙏

[@lunariian]

Yessss 🙌🏻

[@Lindys]

Yes please. 👍🏻🙏🏻

[@nighttrain1236]

It was the Meredith Kercher case, but it is interesting. The behaviour of Knox was very odd as has been her public presentation in the intervening years. She seems very insincere and manipulative.

[@heatheryfeathery1]

Night Train123 Malcolm Gladwell wrote a book called “Talking to Strangers” all about “miscommunication, interactions and assumptions we make when dealing with people we don't know.” He focuses on several well known cases, but I found the parts that discuss Amanda Knox particularly interesting. Gladwell also has a fantastic podcast called “Revisionist History”, so his exemplary storytelling abilities make this a great audiobook.

[@legzfalloffgirl5148]

I was just looking to see if he covered Amanda. Did you see the Netflix documentary? It's awful...

[@bastianogr4960]

The thing about a group of parents leaving their small children alone at night, really stirs me on several levels. I have a 3 1/2 year old son, and couldn't even think of a scenario, where my wife and I would leave him alone sleeping, thinking "ah, he'll be alright". Just the thought feels absurd to me. But then … my parents did the exact same thing as the McCanns, when I was a toddler, and it certainly wasn't a biggie. Which is why I'm all too familiar with this kind of parenting. In fact, there's a lot in the McCanns' behaviour, that I've seen before with my parents and their whole circle of friends. Ironically, lot's of doctors there, too. Simple minded people with more education than empathy. Not a great premise for raising kids (unless your goal is, raising kids with personality disorders). I really feel for the twins. Not enough, that their parents are egocentric and emotionally limited people, the two will always live in Madeleine's shadow, since their parents were never able to let go of their big sister and focus on them instead.

[@maryrankin9869]

I came across a professional looking couple the other day taking a 3 month old out for a walk in 27C weather. On their way back after our earlier encounter the baby boy was screaming an d sweating to the top of his lungs and the couple told me the baby was okay. I was shocked that neither was concerned or took the baby out of the zipped jogging stroller to comfort or show care. I am still worried and sick over their behavior. They told me I could not help and they were going to their car. God Bless that little boy. After, I thought that neither were the parents. It sickens me that people today think it is okay for a baby to scream. If it was a dog or car the SPCA would certainly be called.

[@Arginne]

@@maryrankin9869maybe the baby has colic you dont know the situation. Clean your own house first

[@andema83]

"No evidence of common sense here" - so true. I have not heard one statement of them in which they expressed remorse for having left their kids alone, in fact, on one occasion Kate said she thinks they have been persecuted enough for that. Says it all. It's their statements on camera that matter, not that one sentence in Kates book.

[@MariaMartins-zp7ux]

The father's face and the mother show me not concerned at all since day one I looked in their face and I see something strange and no remorse

[@simsimahmadi9133]

Exactly!!! No remorse or guilt for having left her alone. I always suspected them. Always...

[@icturner23]

They have expressed remorse over that endlessly.

[@icturner23]

@@MariaMartins-zp7ux And you're an expert in the correct way to look when in shock and grief, are you? Could you please tell us your qualifications on the subject?

[@icturner23]

@@simsimahmadi9133 Have you not watched this video?

[@bethkeady7025]

not only leaving their children alone, but there was a pool and I'm assuming, because the place where they stayed was called Ocean side, ( or something like that) that there was an ocean nearby. You leave toddlers alone near two bodies of water?

[@Sarablueunicorn]

Also happened in Portugal, a chinese couple left their 5 year daughter at their rented apartment, a 21st floor, to go gamble in the nearby casino. The child woke up and didnt find the parents so started to scream and cry (the neighbors listened to the child in panic), and in despair jumped off the window to her death. Same could have happened to Maddie, wake up and seeing herself alone run to find her parents and put herself in danger , but the mother instead of assuming sth like that could have happened she screamed "she was taken", how could she possible know?

[@vault1230]

@@Sarablueunicorn Yeah, at least the gamblers locked the door and since the apartment was on the 21st floor then the kid was practically safe in terms of intruders which made some sense but why would you leave the door open when there is a nearby pool, and the place is a HOTEL! Where anyone can legally walk in and do whatever they want. Not to mention putting sedative in their milk which is straight up retarded.

[@ruthbashford3176]

@@Sarablueunicorn Madeleine would have been terrified if she had woken up and found herself alone without an adult present.

[@Heidi_137]

@@ruthbashford3176 Maybe she left out the door and wandered around when a nice family saw her and took her home with them. If that is the case then maybe it's best considering how the parents behaved. Perhaps she won't be a rich kid with Dr's parents but a loved one in a good caring local family.

[@Heidi_137]

@Amazoom Yes indeed, I guess it's hard to imagine such horror. You are most likely right though.

[@johnbrown0224]

Have to wonder if one parent ended up sedating the child, not realising the other parent had already done so......................and then came the cover up

[@AwfulDog1]

yeah, good point...we do that with the Dog's antibiotics sometimes and very often with their din din...Dogs don't tell the truth where food is involved...

[@waterloosunset4559]

Very interesting and plausible point.

[@waterloosunset4559]

However she is a GP so would easily be able to get melatonin to get the kids to sleep and which you can’t really overdose on.

[@73cidalia]

How easily can one cover up an accidental death in a foreign country? How would they know how to sneak out a body, where to hide it, etc?

[@Cristina661224]

No John...came 2 days ago on news here in Belgium en more countries in Europe. There is one suspect his now in jail. A few deaths in europe is prove that he was there

[@maidmarion2976]

The Portuguese police did not make any mistakes. They did a thorough job and their evidence makes sense.

[@BenRai2k]

Also they did not mess the crime scene up, the parents and their friends already had

[@jasperpike242]

you are an expert investigator of course. They messed up., you are the ONLY one who disagrees!

[@pbohearn]

@@jasperpike242 no I agree with him and disagree with you. There was evidence by the cadaver dogs that there was blood in the trunk of their car, as well as I believe below the window of Madeline‘s room. There was evidence that she was injured and then put in their car. The accident could’ve happened the night before and then they recruited their friends to create this dinner, abduction situation, which, by the way they refused to re-create when asked for by the police

[@jasperpike242]

​@@pbohearni doubt we will ever really know. You think it's a Jon Bennet scenario?

[@kyla8386]

What would possess them to leave the door unlocked honestly

[@darlenelawson1255]

Doesn't make sense to leave the door open 🤔

[@kyla8386]

Phra Alan James lol wtf

[@aaliyahetc.6687]

were they drunk? like how??

[@gems8582]

Yip, they said unlocking the front door made too much noise and would wake up the kids, so they left it unlocked! They also left the patio door open a bit!

[@astrinymris9953]

One theory is that Madeleine died accidentally a few days before the McCanns reported her missing, so the McCanns engineered a fake abduction scenario. Leaving the door unlocked-- or at least CLAIMING that you'd left the door unlocked-- would explain why there were no signs of forcible entry. If that's true, at least some of the Tapas Seven may have been complicit in the cover up.

[@rcb4ever1]

I have been a psychiatric nurse for 30 plus years and have had many encounters with psychiatrists,psychologists ect.Dr.Grande is so impressive.Glad I found this channel!!!!!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@chrisgwynne1586]

@rcb4ever1 Oh, yes he's impressive to me, but not in the way you intimate.

[@christina-mariestoeckl4839]

Etc, not ect.

[@katrinaclarke157]

I have 10_15_17 year old kids and I'd never ever ever ever leave them alone in a foreign country just go get drunk with mates like hell and wouldn't even dare to in my own country 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺 and here they are leaving under 4 year old babies unattended alone in foreign country WTH they are 1000% responsible for her death ....

[@Synch9256]

The person who abducted the child is responsible for her death. I’m not responsible for my car being stolen if I leave it unlocked and it’s stolen, the thief is.

[@jamessmith-sv2fr]

@@Synch9256 There is no evidence that abduction even took place.

[@thefairhairedboywiththered2951]

Synch9256 - Are you seriously comparing a 3 year old and two toddlers with a car? Are you for real? They left very young children alone while they went to a bar for dinner and drinks. This is shocking levels of neglect. If you have children that age and decide it is more desirable to go out with friends for drinks rather than ensuring that your children are properly supervised then you are responsible if harm comes to them.

[@eileenstacey1536]

@@Synch9256 are you for real ..if someone leaves their door unlocked .gives the kids drugs to make sure their asleep.and goes out drinking with friends and leaves them alone for half an hour maybe more then they are totally responsible for what happened .i will never know how they were not done for that alone..total disgrace ..I can't even relax and not worry when i leave my cat home alone when out or when she is out a while longer then normal..never mind kids in another country..and the apartment was a football fields length .how would they see anything from where they sat anyway..all seems too strange

[@katrinaclarke157]

@@eileenstacey1536 👍

[@AngelofHogwarts]

I cannot believe this level of negligence. My mother wouldn't even let my cousin, my sister, and I go to the park alone. We never even walked to school alone when we were 11-12 years old. We always got dropped off and picked up. My mother could not even imagine having one morsel of food in a restaurant while the kids were alone in a hotel in a foreign country, no less. So glad to have had protective parents growing up.

[@free_gold4467]

I walked to and from school on my own from age five (In Edinburgh, Scotland) and played outdoors and out of sight a lot of the time. That was in the early 70's.

[@cori1302]

@@free_gold4467 It's not that safe in other places. My parents guarded me and other kids. Still there were near incidents...

[@maryrankin9869]

Your parents were actually doing their job.

[@Blonde_Somnambulist]

Sounds like your mother suffered from anxiety. You can ne too over protective you know ! Children need to be allowed to develop independence, in order to learn how to navigate the world , and that includes recognising danger .. Being accompanied to school at 11 and 12 is ridiculous.

[@christinamarie1926]

t Thank you, Dr. Grande, for presenting this case with a tone that validates my own anger and frustration felt since following the story. I’ve not heard many media outlets speak out against the parent’s poor and fatal decision to leave 4 year old Madeleine and her two young twin siblings alone in the resort hotel room, let alone the rest of the "Tapas 7" as you've so accurately dubbed them.

[@dawn5227]

I do think its actually important to remember that the time line might not actually be the truth. The timeline is only that of the Mc Canns. The friends have rather sketchy accounts of that night and theres been inconsistencies around what the tapas 7 have all said. So as to the truth? No one actually knows. Something I know for certain, this family have plenty of money, they also have friends in high places. Even some of the things the mc canns have actually said are concerning at best, if not disturbing. If this family were an ordinary, lower, working class family, there isnt a single doubt they parents would have been investigated by socail services(child protection) and even charged with neglect of their children. But none of that happened, they are wealthy, privileged white family, with contacts.

[@yes8515]

"privileged white family" You think being white makes powerful people more likely to do favours for them?

[@idesireit31]

@@yes8515 Yes it does, white privilege exists. Do you think if this was a Black family there wouldn't have been a criminal investigation into the parents? Social Services would have removed the other two children and everyone would have forgotten all about this story by now. Get real

[@CheviotHills]

Ms Entrepreneur - A poor white family from a council estate would be vilified too. It’s more to do with wealth than race.

[@onepartyroule]

Kate was a part time locum doctor, but gave it up to work for childrens charities. Jerry is a cardiologist. They have a fund set up to continue the search for their daughter. Their race is irrelevant to whether or not theyre implicated in their childs death. Who knows what 'with contacts' is supposed to mean. 'No one actually knows. ' -- ahuh, least of all you by the looks of it.

[@melmack2003]

Yes....they had to make the timeline fit their story! :-(

[@gerafinali4384]

As a non physician, I wouldn't give sedative to my children, so as a physician I find that really dodgy. And if that would have been involved in her accidental death, that would explain why they did everything to cover it up. They would loose their job. Also they earned millions campaigning that hasn't really been accounted for their search. So that could be a motivator for keeping on their campaigns. They are also linked to numerous politicians ( old friends) which could explain the strange way of Scotland Yard to deal with this case. The parents reaction when she disappeared was not to look for her, with the other search party. I'm not a leader, but believe me the day I lost my daughter in the park, I was searching manically and involving all the people that where around, the fear creates such a rush of adrenaline, I can't believe you could just stay on your bed.

[@sarahholland1375]

Most of the fund went on fees to Carter Ruck for suing Detective Goncalo Amaral for his book 'The Truth of the Lie', also on a fraudulent now disbanded detective agency they used & suing Tony Bennett, a retired UK lawyer who found 60+ contradictions & inconsistencies in the statements (all online under 'Mcann PJ Files'). Tony Bennett's list & Amarals book split into chapters, can be found on most Maddie forums. Oh, forgot, they paid 2 of their mortgage payments from the 'search fund' (their name for it) too.

[@valgoldthorpe1377]

It's interesting you say that, when Mrs McCann came out for her first press conference, she was fairly closed in on herself, and I always thought it was an odd thing that she wasn't scanning the crowds frantically, because if my child had gone missing I'd have been frantically looking everywhere and would have appeared highly agitated. However, I guess there are no conclusions to draw from that. Who knows how people will react to things.

[@SphericEl]

M I 5 👎 Have already been documented in employing paedophiles to film and blackmail targets. Plus they have assets in every national news paper. Shame people trust it.

[@amazinggrace5692]

Totally agree !

[@sarahholland1375]

@@valgoldthorpe1377 she also had matching jewellery, perfect make up, ribbons in her hair & a nice outfit in every single interview. Ribbons in your hair at 33 yrs old is odd but maybe that's just me.

[@colettewilliams3575]

"No evidence of common sense." Truer words about this case have never been spoken.

[@SamJ_1980]

"Honey, did you lock up before you left our children asleep and alone in our hotel room?" "Oh, uh, I was going to but I didn't want to risk waking them up later when we check on them with those darn house keys." "Oh ok, that's such a good idea! Why lock the door when you can just leave it open? I'm sure it's fine since we can't even see our room from here. I mean, what's the worst that could happen???" WORST PARENTS EVER!!!

[@comfym3850]

10,000 "LIKES"!

[@louise-yo7kz]

Poor baby. I can't imagine the horror that child went through.

[@scarlettgrey6367]

Stupid comment. They made a mistake, but to say that they are the "worst parents ever" is quite ridiculous. You're an idiot.

[@cocojeffrey8502]

Totally fabricated and implausible. PJ has proved the case. Gerry has told the story of Madeleine's death in a tv interview.

[@jackyflowers7159]

@@scarlettgrey6367 You are being sarcastic, right?

[@mazieferreira7757]

One of them sees a man carrying a sleeping child, they check on the kids without making sure they are actually in their beds??? Yeah, that sounds crazy to me.

[@gillianbarker8516]

The man carrying the child will be the abductor...could of even been 2 of them as the shutters were open....she could of been past out to 1 waiting... ....

[@kilusal]

I am pretty sure they found the guy and it turned out to be his own child, but can’t remember where I heard that...

[@watcherwlc53]

@@valerierodger7700 But still, none of that adds up if the adults are hanging out together and give a damn about one another.

[@sarahholland1375]

@@gillianbarker8516 the man seen carrying a child has been traced & discounted. His name was Dr Totman & he was picking up his daughter from the free resort Night Creche. The Night Creche the Mcanns didnt use "because we didn't like leaving them with strangers". They were fine with the day creche 'strangers' tho. Their children were there all day every day. The other couples used it mornings only. Statements are all online under 'Mcann PJ Files'.

[@andyelf9059]

I am rather stupid, but it is comforting to know that I can always become a physician.

[@scarlettgrey6367]

I doubt that such a person could get a Medical Degree.

[@andyelf9059]

@@scarlettgrey6367 Both her parentes are doctors...

[@scarlettgrey6367]

@@andyelf9059 It is true that both of her "parents" were doctors, but what is your point?

[@bq1424]

You shouldn’t be putting yourself down.

[@tankthearc9875]

lol

[@MrsBALRx]

I am new to Dr. Grande, but am enjoying his videos, succinct and to the point. I have not seen the Netflix documentary. The only detail he left out was that the flat where the children slept was actually by a street, near a crossing, with the possibility of actually walking into the flat from the sidewalk and of course with cars driving by. The Portuguese are reputed for being wonderful with children and its speaks of prejudices that the parents would not contract them (for besides less than $3 an hour...) And of course, as a European myself I am shocked at those parents who leave their children alone, having administered sedatives on top of it. Thank you for the videos.

[@rachelselby5469]

Maddy wasn't seen by anyone since the previous Monday. From the Monday they started feeding the kids in the room for breakfast and in the evening. On the Monday they booked the table at the restaurant for the next four nights - to establish a pattern. From the Tuesday Kate Macann started signing her name in Maddy's daycare centre with her married name whereas before she'd always gone by her maiden name, and the signature was different. I.e. They (and they could be the UK gov't) got a the babysitter to cover up for them. The tapas 9 could not get their stories straight and kept contradicting each other and changing their minds. They covered for the McCanns because they had also left their children alone and felt guilty or they were threatened with being investigated for leaving their children. I think what happened was that in a drugged state (because they sedated the children so they wouldn't wake up while the parents were out) and before falling asleep, Maddy fell and hit her head and died. The parents, both doctors, knew that she was dead but could not risk an autopsy finding drugs in her body because they would have been struck off, possibly had their other children taken from them, and possibly been jailed. Kate said that the previous evening Maddy had woken up while they were out. This could have been on the Sunday night and so they gave her a stronger dose on the Monday evening. The other extremely strange thing was that the UK police and very high up gov't advisers got involved immediately on the Thursday evening. Before they'd even established that Maddy hadn't just wandered off and got lost. I think this is because Jerry McCann was a member of a Gov't Quango and threatened to reveal nationally devastating secrets if he wasn't protected. They ended up with a top gov't PR person and all attempts to establish their guilt were quashed. It is inconceivable that parents will refuse to take a lie detector test. You do it asap to remove yourself from the investigation so that the police can concentrate on finding your child. It is inconceivable that you put your child's beloved soft toy in the washing machine and cleanse it of her smell. It is inconceivable that after over a week on holiday with friends, you give the police and publicize a photo of your 4 year old that is over a year old - when she was barely 3. And the photo they eventually gave saying it was the last one taken on the Thursday morning, was in fact digitally dated from the previous Monday. There are no photos of Maddy from the supposed last three days of her life. All this is on hours of You Tube footage analyzing the case.

[@joniwahl2169]

I hadn’t read that Maddie hadn’t been seen for a few days prior, wow! I’ve always thought an accident happened and the parents needed to cover it up to protect their careers and their twins. If it’s true no one had seen Madeline, even during that day then it gives the parents much opportunity to plan. Dr. Grande, are you able to speak to the issue of the last time anyone actually saw Madeline?

[@anastasiamentessidou5078]

It would be at the very least appropriate to mention where you get this info from..otherwise it sounds like wild imagination and a bit of unjustified accusations

[@thebrocialist8300]

NM All this information is easily accessible online. Anyone seriously following the case already knows all this shit. Stop being an ignoramus and an apologist for those demented parents.

[@marymcsherry1965]

This ties in with none of Maddie's dna being found in the apartment, when she was supposed to have been there for 4 days. Her body could easily have been disposed of days before

[@RatTaxi]

They killed her, didn't they? Poor little baby.

[@tekannon7803]

Dear Dr Grande, I enjoy seeing your videocasts because I learn so much. Please find the Peter Hyatt analysis of the McCann case. Dr Grande, they both admit that they were responsible for Madeleine's death in what is called an imbedded confession. The husband said something like this to an investigative reporter. "You telling me that Madeleine had an accident in the apartment and we hid her body when the police came and then later went and disposed of it. You must hear Mr Hyatt's investigation into this, what Mrs McCann admiteed was an accident as well. She was an anathesiologist. The McCann's never once in the interview questionned how Madeleine was being treated. They referred to her in the past tense, meaning they knew she was dead. Dr Grande, Madeleine was probably sedated so that her parents could have some drinks in peace, she tried to get up and fell and hit her head and died in the apartment. The McCann interview never shows the parents concerned about their daughter's wellbeing, because they know she is dead. Parents who have children kidnapped ask a hundred questions about if their child is doing ok. The McCann's are only concerned about themselves in every single interview I have seen. You must see the Australian 60 minutes interview with your own eyes to see their 'imbedded confession'. They tell us what happened in their own words and don't realize it. Again, never once did Mrs McCann give a hint at what Madeleine must have been going through, she only says how hard it is on her and her husband. Madeleine comes last in the discussion every single time. I'm not a psychologist, but those parents are talking about a deceased child.

[@Adara007]

Having watched Hyatt's analysis of their statements, I agree with you. Unfortunately, I don't think Dr. Grande will go on to watch the statement analysis: he's an INTP (on the Myers-Briggs Type Index or MBTI) not an INTJ and therefore tends to have made up his mind and formed rather fixed opinions by the time he uploads a video and is less likely to be open to considering any evidence to the contrary later on as an INTJ would be inclined to do. I wish I was incorrect about this.

[@GradKat]

The McCanns are innocent.

[@joanaholylife]

Thank you! Yes not once they seem to care about what their daughter could be going through. Just pointing out how hard it is for them.

[@secretivescorpio891]

@@GradKat silly

[@DrLC.]

One thing I wish people would take away from this; just because someone is a doctor, doesn’t mean they’re smart. One would think two physicians would have much better judgment than what the McCann’s exhibited. I’ve seen too many individuals give doctors carte blanche because they assume being a doctor equates to excellent judgement and superior intelligence.

[@sarahholland1375]

Like serial killer Dr Harold Shipman's superior intellect!? I agree with you. Corporate life & medicine are full of high functioning sociopaths, I know, I've worked for both.

[@DrLC.]

Sarah holland Exactly!

[@teresahowick5197]

Yeah I’m super tired of this idea. I know lots of physicians, people with PhDs, that are really not too bright.

[@glengraham7080]

Yes, book smarts does not automatically mean life smarts.

[@mouseyman]

@@sarahholland1375 Yes, I found it odd and a bit elitist that the point was made that they were *doctors* and therefore smarter than the rest of us. Though, I do wonder how people who are in charge of other people's health managed to be so unbelievably irresponsible. I have never been able to get past the part where two adult people, decided it would be a good idea to go to a foreign country, leave their children in a flat they are completely unfamiliar with, and then leave the door unlocked. Can people genuinely be so naive? The only thing I can think of that Dr Grande didn't mention is that if Madeline was drugged, she might have woken up and being drugged, was in a confused state. She then might have walked out the door looking for her parents, and someone took her.

[@Revert2017]

Parents make mistakes- these 2 made a big one. I am glad none of my mistakes ended with the disappearance of my son.

[@M.b-q-bn]

Kimberly wolenski this was a " mistake" leaving children under 4 yrs of age is neglect. And it's also against the law baffles me how they weren't arrested or had the other kids taken into care

[@karate4348]

Neglect not a mistake here for poor Madelaine.

[@RaysDad]

The conclusion of intensive investigation and analysis: A bunch of drunks lost a baby.

[@MynnKitchen]

Ray's Dad sad, but true.

[@willnill7946]

It’s the mothers fault

[@coweatsman]

These people were better suited to be childfree than to be parents. There should be less societal pressure to become parents and more acceptance of the childfree lifestyle.

[@ruthbashford3176]

@@coweatsman And yet the McCanns went through IVF to conceive.

[@laurissimano2585]

No. They killed the baby.

[@bushycrib8732]

The shower curtain was missing, they messed up the crime scene, twins never woke up during all the debacle of maddie going missing, there was no sign of a break in/burglary.

[@scarlettgrey6367]

bushycrib. It sounds like you were there, so how can you be so certain?

[@scarlettgrey6367]

@Diogo Silva Facts obtained by what source?

[@scarlettgrey6367]

@Diogo Silva You mean the PJ Files then? This investigation was discredited with Amaral removed from the case. Amaral was later sacked for corruption. I do not regard the PJ Files as a reliable source of information and therefore question the 'facts' because of the biased opinion of Amaral and his team. The UK Police did not regard the Portuguese investigation as reliable either.

[@scarlettgrey6367]

@Diogo Silva Yes he was sacked for corruption and that book he wrote detailed why IN HIS OPINION he believed the parents were guilty. I am not going to waste my time providing you with sources of my information, boy.

[@lindastephen_mcrea2714]

The mccanns sacrificed madeleine that's why shes not found blood seeped throu holiday apartment tiles. There def involved not a shed of tears from them did not search well would be pointless when they new she was dead. These 2 should of been in prison weeks after madeleine vanished in thin air. Kate wouldn't answer 48 questions .there millionaire out of there dead daughter. Makes me wonder if madeleine really had fleck in her eye is because some photos she didnt have it.

[@lindakay1700]

These parents have received millions for this “investigation” - and continue getting $$ each year from Govt sources. These doctors paid expensive nanny’s for daycare, yet choose to leave these children alone in a foreign apartment with the door unlocked. Both have refused lie detector tests 😥

[@kenji-san4681]

What are you saying they've done this for money? Do you honestly know how stupid that sounds. Use your brain if you have one.

[@Seamonkey555]

I would refuse too. Lie detector tests are reliable and here in the US cannot be used in court.

[@scarlettgrey6367]

@@Seamonkey555 The reason why lie detectors cannot be used in Court in the US is because they are not 100% reliable, some experts say as low as 68%. Psychopaths for example have passed the test when they are guilty and some innocent people have failed it. If I was the McCanns, I would not take a lie detector test.

[@sarahlund2374]

Ah, so it’s about how much money the McCann parents can get, out of this news report. It adds up even more now. 😳

[@CanadianMonarchist]

To be fair I would refuse a lie detector too. While they’re essential on daytime TV, they actually measure stress rather than whether or not a person is telling the truth.

[@valerie241]

This has been the only logical assessment of this tragic case I've ever heard. But how could the parents-well educated and all-have been so relaxed about their childrens safety? Poor Madeleine...

[@Barbara-zu4pl]

They didn't even leave so much as a baby monitor in the room.

[@Tara-id3rk]

Right?! I have a baby monitor on at all times when my toddlers are asleep in their beds...in our own home. And if I go into our front yard when they are asleep I bring the monitor’s camera receiver with me. In our own yard...right below their bedroom window.

[@cecilejoubert7933]

Unfit parents.

[@Barbara-zu4pl]

@@Tara-id3rk That's because you practice good parenting and have common sense. 👍

[@Steve-bo6ht]

Good point I've never thought of that but i still strongly believe the parents sedated the children and the authorities are trying to pin her death on the german suspect and close the case.

[@leannehogan918]

There is a real disconnect of emotions with these parents. They have never talked about Maddie like she was their beloved child. They have spent all their screen time defending their own behaviour and actions. These parents are guilty, without a shadow of a doubt. Rest in peace little Maddie

[@leannehogan918]

@Ian Concannon hi Ian, no I haven't I will look it up though. Thanks

[@fionagregory9376]

If someone dies they always rest in peace.

[@yyxy.oncesaid]

@@fionagregory9376 and that's why she said it

[@rachelhudson8362]

I know about disconnect as I have experienced this from my parents. Oddly enough my mother commented on having the same sandals as Kate McCann...I have no words. The parents sedated their children and it went tragically wrong.

[@ShadowWizard123]

Well this comment didn't age too well, they apprehended the man who was actually guilty of this crime.

[@L8-APEX]

I found this channel a couple days ago and have been binge watching at a rapid pace. Great content for those interested in mental health topics, even a little bit. Also Dr. Grandes dry humor really cracks me up once you get to know his character 😆

[@odetecezarnunes2890]

As pessoas só sabem jogar pedra não sabem o sentimento de uma mãe e de um pai ninguém tenhe o direito de julgar este ou aquele com que intenção os pais matariam sua filinha são pessoas de princípios isso que falam dos pais de madlene é uma calúnia não se fala o que não sabe

[@BellaLu26]

One thing convinced me without a doubt of their guilt. When asked if they felt guilty (for ya know the gross negligence of leaving small children alone in a hotel room!) They immediately were like "what no why would we, we didn't do anything." There is so much wrong with that response. 1. Even IF they were not being negligent, as a parent you would still feel horrible guilt. It doesn't matter if you did nothing wrong, you'd still feel at fault. 2. Considering that there was extreme negligence that answer is even more strange. And to me slightly detached. They're trying so hard to make themselves look innocent it's not even occurring to them that that's a HORRIBLE and flat out un parent like answer. Personally I think due to them being negligent some terrible accident happened and out of fear they disposed of her body to save their own butts.. While giving very messed up and suspicious answers to a question and having the overall demeanor of not giving a flying f**k isn't proof of any guilt I believe they are guilty. Whole heartedly 100%... not of murder. I dont get the sense that they maliciously hurt her. But at the very least they know something.

[@mvubu6823]

So you're convinced of their guilt, even though German police say they obtained evidence from the property ofconvicted child rapist Christian Brueckner that he, kidnapped, tortured and murdered Maddy. How clever are you?

[@BenRai2k]

Then the interview where Gerry says, essentially, it could have been worse, had all 3 been taken. No one would say stuff like that. One is bad enough.

[@4Mr.Crowley2]

Kate’s description of the room, filled with irrelevant and unlikely details (the supposed abductor didn’t need to use the window since the McCanns left the front door UNLOCKED), the rush of wind when there was no wind, the open window, etc sounds very very similar to the scene from Labyrinth when the Goblin Kinng kidnaps young Toby. For some reason I have always had this feeling that Kate was in fact describing that scene as the visual details are so similar, and the scene in the apartment sounds like something out of a fairy tale with strange magical details like the door being magically blown shut or the non-existent wind blowing through the open window. The McCanns helpfulness is very debatable, and they are both very PR concerned people. And yes the willingness to leave three very young children alone in an unlocked apartment is callous AT BEST. They also (imho) have substance abuse issues as the drinking was quite significant. This plus leaving the kids is quite reckless behavior. I am sorry but the guy in Germany is being used as a scapegoat. Zero actual physical evidence connects him to the crime, and until it does, I am very doubtful of his guilt.

[@joysynmonds9082]

It isn't him. Not a shred of evidence! May as well charge you or I. The only permitted word I can think of in all of this is TWADDLE!

[@astaraoneill9166]

Wow, great noticing! I wouldn’t doubt it. I believe she died earlier that week, as does the original Portuguese detective.

[@lisah2770]

When people lie they go into too much detail...that is how you know someone is lying.

[@akkis3090]

I had the same feeling too . I was doing some other chores while watching the show and when I heard her describe the incidence in that much detail , it suddenly grabbed my attention and something inside my head went 💡..

[@pjukas]

Regarding the wind, windows and doors etc....it is not the wind that does that....it can be but then you do not have to feel it, it can happen with very minimal winds.... it is also difference in pressure, so the lack of wind is not relevant at all

[@ladyscorpz9023]

To leave 3 babies alone at night in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country while you eat and drink at a local restaurant is just beyond comprehension. There are no words. I cannot stand these two, they make me feel physically ill. And how they've not been charged with child neglect is shameful and just shows that money talks in this world... God bless that little girl.

[@gracelove886]

I think there is a big coverup woth this case. No other case has received so much money for a missing child.

[@elizabethmcleod246]

@@GVH1305 Why would you believe this?

[@blzebub2]

@@elizabethmcleod246 Because it's true.

[@lulub1433]

I've heard a number of stories on this case, but this was truly the best. Thank you for laying out the details, I truly appreciate you interpretation!