Magic in 2003 Was Truly Something Else | Goblin Bidding vs Madness

Frank Karsten brings us back to see 2003's Goblin Bidding deck face off against Madness! And you could play these decks too! We are giving away both of the decks played in this video if you follow the instructions in this link: bit.ly/3U2jruS
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[@CardmarketMagic]

Follow the link here to find the decklists and potentially win these decks: bit.ly/3U2jruS

[@epicthief]

I first bought Magic back in the early 90s when I was elementary school. The art got me in trouble with my parents. I started playing in middle school when I worked at a summer camp where my boss was a former judge from a world/pro tour. He showed us EDH which he called the judge's format and shared his cube which had everything from alpha and up to everything that year. What a time, we all poured on out when Hasbro took over. I love this content and everything your channel does, even the yugi stuff lol

[@idanbhk3875]

Is the contest only for Europeans, or will you be able to ship outside Europe?

[@JoeDF]

Hello from Canada! Love this channel, but sad that cardmarket doesn't seem to do outside of Europe :(

[@fernandob2275]

That is correct, cardmarket doesn’t ship outside of Europe. It’s a shame too. Many years I’ve wanted to buy from card market but cannot

[@michaelsinnreich6626]

Everybody is a badass until Frank starts counting. Great play!

[@epicthief]

I used to play elf ball, when I started counting, you could see the joy drain from their face

[@Botanick13]

Math should be banned from MTG

[@suntzu6122]

@@Botanick13 FRANK DID YOU RUN THE NUMBERS AGAIN. GET THIS KID OUTTA HERE! JUDGE!!

[@alexkuzela9266]

Frank again showing why he is one of the best brains in Magic. Some of the lines that he's seen in the games hes played are amazing.

[@pinobluevogel6458]

His reputation for being both a great math player and math explainer is justified :)

[@DackKija]

Let's go! More Frank! ❤

[@SickOfItAll1988]

Damn I wanted to comment the exact same thing lmao

[@impp18]

Hmmm. Maybe I should have checked the comments before posting my own... Your honor, my client pleads oopsie daisy

[@cantfeelmyfacehelp7375]

Disagree, need more Jamin, he is superior 🔥

[@omnivision616]

I loved this era of MtG. It's why I love Premodern now.

[@Reuben.Aotearoa]

Someone had to name drop the format in these comments! Goblins is a tier 1 deck as it adds stuff like Lackey, Matron and Ringleader to this shell. UG Madness isn’t quite as good, although Survival of the Fittest does bump it a bit, but you could build a deck very similar to the one played here very cheaply (especially if you weren’t fussy about printings or condition) and it’s a great way to get into the format.

[@Nagy1989]

An additional complication with the math around the Goblin deck's damage was that damage used the stack at this time in Magic. So you could block/be blocked, assign the damage, then sac that creature for damage and still have it deal the assigned combat damage. Onslaught was the first set that came out after I started to play Magic. My friend had a Goblin deck; I had a Cleric deck. We'd sometimes have games that went until decking!

[@Rivetlicker]

I was about to say this; damage on the stack! Siege gang was even better back then...

[@lars_rosenberg]

@@Rivetlicker and Mogg Fanatic was a staple!

[@zendicarreborn8896]

I think i'm becoming a Carl fan. Each time I see that a video includes Carl I go "Carl! :D"

[@cantfeelmyfacehelp7375]

Dats not the way, join Jamin enjoyers

[@franslair2199]

More like Carlmarket

[@lordmatz3435]

if jamin fans are this exclusive im staying in the karl camp ;)

[@cantfeelmyfacehelp7375]

@@lordmatz3435 as vice president of Jamin enjoyers club I can say for sure, that we are open to everyone who is ready to enjoy Jamin and most importantly his jokes. We need YOU!

[@pinobluevogel6458]

Carl is great for sure, this channel is made by the fun personalities on the videos, which for me includes everyone. Adding Frank or Andrea to the mix only makes it better. Since I started playing magic in my teens, I've met so many fun and great people, the guys on this channel remind me of that in every video.

[@Ahayzo]

I was really confused how Frank was planning to play the payoff turn in game 1, until he played Bidding and I realized it returns things to play, not hand!

[@CardmarketMagic]

Bidding is a hell of a magic card!

[@racoonnewsnetwork8147]

Frank and Mengu have to be my favourite guests. Thanks for getting him back on :)

[@matteorebeschi6824]

This is when I started playing Magic. The Odissey block. Wild Mongrel, Arrogant Wurm, Psychatog... those were the days!

[@CardmarketMagic]

Thoralf agrees :)

[@davidhansen5067]

Frank Karsten and old Magic, I'm having a great evening now! Keep bringing him back!

[@LiquidSoulfly]

I remember playing gobobidding back in the day. Pulling lethal out of nowhere is VERY common with that deck. Super fun and hilarious.

[@MrZestubo]

I really like these throwback videos, and Frank's always a delight to have around. Legend

[@Mightypi]

Every Frank video is crazy. There's always something that makes you go "that lad should be in the hall of fame"

[@CardmarketMagic]

Hall of famers play like hall of famers should :)

[@thygamerguy]

i love this series, its a real peek into magics past, its impossible to see anything like this anywhere else

[@kattennan1299]

UG madness was the first proper "semi-competitive" deck I ever built, back when I first started playing magic. Basking Rootwalla is still one of my favourite cards because of that deck.

[@alexiswigginton452]

I agree, madness ignoring timing was such a learning spike for me, makes you realise that the rules of the game can and will be broken , and that theres more to the game than just playing out as many creatures you can

[@mrmagongus]

Oh my god, this series is nostalgic enough as it is, but hearing Frank talking about the Aquamoeba pinging trick just sent my brain back in time 20 years

[@emanuelqfernandes]

YAY! A new Frank Karsten video and a new World Championship deck game! Love vintage, brings so many good memories to me.

[@lastnamefirstname8655]

more fun mtg history from the past! thanks frank and cardmarket!

[@shadovvsmurf]

This is the era when I started playing Magic and I still think it was the best era Magic ever had.

[@jeanvalero1597]

I want you guys to know you guys produce the best and most creative magic the gathering non-lore content out there

[@Umbry_Rose]

I started playing in high school, with Odyssey. In 2003, I got to attend type 1 Worlds at GenCon Indy. Afterwards, I sold my Alpha Lotus... $900 was a lot back then! My favorite memory from that time period, besides my time at GenCon Indy, was release night for 8th Edition. I pulled a foil Wrath of God during the draft! It was my biggest pull I had ever had to that point. It was a gorgeous card. (I can't do the contest, so just figured I'd share here, since I'm on the other side of the ocean.)

[@pinobluevogel6458]

So fun to read all the stories. Everybody has their great first pulls from a booster that stick with you forever. Mine was Shivan Dragon, which I later replaced with a beta version of the card and kept it on my wall for 10 years. The card isn't even that good, but it's iconic, just like that really cool 8th edition Wrath of God. (the art is a perfect mirror of Damnation)

[@ylktr]

So much nostalgia in this one! Blue/Green madness was the only one of those pro tour decks I ever owned. My first magic deck ever was a 7th edition goblins precon, so goblins have always had a special place in my heart. I ended up using a lot of the cards in Frank's deck.

[@NeoGoldenBoy]

On 2003 I started playing Magic, my friends introduced me to the game and at that time I dug in hard, buying boxes, fat packs with the novels (miss those). I left the game shortly after and returned just in 2019 and harder than before.

[@QuesoDipp]

This was my favorite era of Standard/Extended, really glad to see you guys playing these decks.

[@stikkontakt4]

These vids with Frank are some of your best

[@yoshimitsu5537]

This is the one I've been waiting for! I started playing in 2003 and Seige Gang Commander was one of the first rares i pulled from a pack. I still have my old goblin deck and I still love it. Would totally enter the contest if I lived in Europe. Thanks for the awesome video! I look forward to more of the series.

[@thealanwrencher]

Let’s go!! Frank is back! I love this series!

[@lucarampazzo1]

Green/blue madness was my first competitive deck... nostalgia intensifies!

[@simbelanger1]

Same! my decklist was nearly the same. Very nostalgic. Thanks for the video!

[@kherubim1]

I'm glad to have kept my old UG Madness deck intact and get to play with it in Premodern.

[@bbasics]

These historic videos with frank are all really great.

[@travisrose2277]

Im not surprised that you didn't cover it in this video, but something that was different about the rules at the time these decks were played, was that damage used the stack. This actually made the Goblin Bidding deck much stronger at the time as it could block then put damage on the stack, amd THEN start sacrificing goblins to ping opponent's face or creatures for damage. #valuetown

[@Ragnarok2kx]

The UG madness deck was also surprisingly affordable, it had almost no rares outside the manabase. And Goblin Bidding being still in Standard when Skullclamp was printed allowed it to go even more bonkers, even if clamp was more famous for the elfball and affinity decks it enabled.

[@donhooplah]

Always great to see Frank. I came across his awesome statistical analysis on the number of required lands. Is worth finding for any wannabe deck builders.

[@janmelantu7490]

Goblins decks are so much more than just Aggro decks. They’re part Aggro, part Tempo, part Midrange, part Combo, part Aristocrats. I love brewing them in every format possible

[@gabegerszewski3755]

Another fine video. What I loved about the Madness list is that it was so good, but also so cheap; almost the whole deck was commons and uncommons.

[@Rain-King]

Wonderful video! I know the World Championship Decks product line was discontinued after 2004, but I would personally love to see this series continue with decks from Worlds in other years.

[@dan77825]

This series was just awesome, hope to see more videos with Frank.

[@TaisxD]

I think these Karsten videos are my favorite mtg content. Carl is a treat to watch but having Frank's infectious love for old magic is just something else. The gameplay in this one wasn't the best of these but the banter and everything else around it more than made up for that.

[@CardmarketMagic]

Yeah unfortunately, not every game is a banger, but having Frank over is always a treat :)

[@ryanbrougham5098]

Man, I collect the gold border cards. I buy them locally whenever I see them. I have a silver/gold border commander deck and dreams to make a gold border only cube. Thanks for showing this stuff off. Wonderful collection!

[@epicmwg]

It was 2003, and just like Carl, I was 13, and my main goal was to have all the pieces of the goblin deck. While i was almost there, I unfortunately lost the deck at my local game store, never to see it again. There is not one single MTG player that doesn’t regrets a moment in their past. This brings back so many memories. Thank you for bringing this content to KZbin!

[@t0xo]

Love both decks. Now i play madness in premodern. So much nostalgia!

[@puppybytes]

Frank's frankly awesome, love to see him around

[@guillaumegladieux9839]

What took you so long to have Frank on the channel again ? What on earth could possibly be more important than Carl vs. Frank in "Magic was truly something else" !? And more seriously, amazing job, as always. Thank you ! I love madness. I still have my "Masticore Madness" deck.

[@Sientir]

When I started playing Magic in 2007, I remember a friend had the UG Madness deck. I've had a soft spot in my heart for it ever since! Also, shout out to Reckless Wurm, the red version of Arrogant Wurm from Time Spiral. I love madness aggro decks. :D

[@ElektechN9ne]

Always love it when the guest is Frank!

[@matthewsawczyn6592]

_"I was there, Cardmarket. I was there 3,000 years ago..."_

[@goodolarchie]

Monored aggro has been ending dreams for almost 3 decades.

[@TheCuzzolator]

Finally! I missed you guys, i personally like more video like this and less pauper/commander but still, all of your contents are amazing and you're by fare the best mtg channel on youtube

[@travisrose2277]

I own a copy of that Wolfgang Eder Goblin Bidding deck and having casually played it extensively for years, I can say Frank's assessment while sideboarding concerning the number of black mana sources is absolutely spot on. Even with Bloodstained More and Shadowblood Ridge, the deck struggles to balance being a primarily red deck while needing to have 2 black mana by the time it can make 5 total mana. Modern day mana bases capable of pairing duals with fetches have us spoiled. 😂

[@travisrose2277]

That being said I loved goblins before I ever picked that up, and I love the deck it's still amazingly fun. I personally have played plenty of games that go off like the goblins did in game one of this match.

[@epicthief]

I finally was hitting my strides as a young teen in MTG, finally learning more high level playing like mixing blue into my mono green. My brother was mixing black into is mono red. Simple times, just goblins and elfs

[@kherubim1]

Another splendid video! UG Madness was the deck that brought me back to playing Magic. I'm glad to have kept the cards and get to play with the deck again in the Premodern format.

[@fistfulofswoon]

The amount of resources that the Goblin deck has is insane

[@fedemza2007]

I started playing magic that year... I miss those days

[@epicthief]

What a time to be alive, golden era

[@fedemza2007]

@@epicthief i remember playing for hours and hours with my friends trying to make cool new decks with the very limited amount of cards we had at hand...

[@epicthief]

@fedemza2007 During the holidays my friend group would pool money for box so we could draft at home. We would shared that ever growing library of cards for EDH. My favorite was building decks out of the loose change cards at the local shop, so much fun

[@fedemza2007]

@@epicthief that sounds like lot of fun. Back in those days (i know i sound old hahahaha) i was the older one of the group and i had only 13, so we didnt had money haha, but we had our decks and from time to time we used to go to the lgs, maybe buy a booster pack or two, a few singles that we thought might be cool to play with, i had a mono blue wizards deck with tons of counter spells, and edh was not a thing here in argentina by the moment

[@epicthief]

@fedemza2007 I got into magic early when I thought it looked cool. The art work got me in trouble with my parents lol 😆 😂 🤣

[@alexn188]

Odyssey is when I started playing Magic and the Scourge Goblin Pre-constructed deck was my favorite to play. Wild Mongrel is one of my favorite card, and I even went and bought a foil one too!

[@narius4241]

Goblin bidding, i've been waiting for this, I have that deck in storage, i played it so much in high school. That first game was crazy, Frank just casually won from 17 life out of nowhere.

[@Norgorber]

Even though they didn't make pre-built decks for 2005's world championship, I hope you do something for it (after all, that's the one Frank Karsten actually got to the finals of!)

[@kherubim1]

That's a brilliant idea, I hope they build those decks and relive the moment!

[@federicoscudeler2882]

I own the "Nicolas Labarre's combo deck, called Chimera, from pro tour Brussels 2000. Bought back when I was a kid. The deck is so complicated and romantic that I would absolutely love to see you guys playing it ❤

[@TerminallyNerdy]

Love it every time Frank is on here. Dude just clearly loves the game.

[@peggle09]

I remember crushing goblin bidding the monowhite all protection from red and black deck with color hosers. Even had a guy table flip when he could not stop it.

[@LotusPaintball]

I was playing in a JSS (Junior Super Series IIRC) tournament back in this era, and was playing mono black clerics. I had used dark supplicant to grab a Scion of Darkness and steal my opponents Goblin Sharpshooter, then proceeded to use Cabal Archon as a sac outlet to untap the sharpshooter, but in reality just using sharpshooter to kill his 1/1 Goblins was already pretty much game. I did end up using his own Sharpshooter against him for a quick lethal.

[@Dracomandriuthus]

Carl, you had a line that didn't need bidding. Cast siege gang, kill the worm with the spark Smith, ping opponent with sharpshooter, then swing out with everything. Then, second main, continue sacrificing until you can activate siege gang, pingig Carl with every sacrifice.

[@skylarm2068]

Goblin Bidding plays eerily similar to my Wort, Boggart Auntie commander deck. I'd feel right at home with this deck.

[@Mefusio]

Great Video ! Down memory lane is Always fine !

[@andyony2]

So many great memories!! I played Madness in Extended back then as my first real tournament deck :D And I loved it! And sometimes I hated it, when I lost again to Psychatog ^^

[@user-ud5tk4oc6r]

babe wake up new cardmarket just dropped

[@pinobluevogel6458]

Love these throwback Worlds decks and I also love having Frank Karsten on the show! Excellent explanations on how the cards interact and a very well produced video, thanks for that and all the nostalgia.

[@ericfletcher7046]

My favorite part was Carl's nervous laugh after he played the wurm and Frank's "it's always in the madness player's hand."

[@sebbbi2]

Won couple of local tournaments with both of these decks back in the day. Fond memories.

[@manuelraith4843]

Wow, Goblin-Bidding brings back a lot of fond childhood memories. Thanks for the Flashbacks! :D

[@rtkamb389]

I love these video's. Keep on making great videos One word of advice for the madness deck. Always change the color to black as it's the best way to avoid removal. Changing it to anything else (at least back then) didn't really do much.

[@ATH420]

Videos with frank are always awesome

[@80081355318008]

Goblin bidding is probably my favorite standard deck ever. Love this

[@SpinAroundU]

Franck :" Yeah I think I've got lethal." Carl :"But Franck this is commander it's turn 5 we still have 40 life each!"

[@caydenhankins1350]

I’ve been waiting for this!!!!! Do more or these please! I appreciate the old school content so much even though I was only 2 when this deck was being used 😅. It’s so cool to see the history and frank karsten is the man, the myth, and the legend!

[@aiwaiwou3556]

I loved this. Couple of years ago, my brother built me madness deck out of nostalgia 😊

[@lurro9963]

That hand guessing was impressive

[@MartinJohns]

Awesome as always. Probably my favourite of the various series you guys are doing.

[@bblivid]

yaaas. This is when I started playing. So many memories

[@CN3891]

I was 13 around this time as well. I still have the Squirrel Opposition and reanimator lists from Odyssey/invasion and odyssey/onslaught respectively. But I had the tournament legal cards for u/g madness. It was impossible for me to get to a sanctioned FNM event because they were more rare, so I played at a local shop that did vintage with 9 proxies. I got wrecked but no one was happy to see a turn 3 flying 4/4, even if they were playing power 9. Vintage wasn’t quite as broken back then. Edit to add: in terms of color hosers, don’t forget about blue and red elemental blast. I saw so many at the local vintage shop.

[@malcom91]

Love Frank, Carls, this series... Heck, I just love all the content this channel uploads!! Cheers from Madrid

[@CardmarketMagic]

Cheers from Berlin!

[@thebolas000]

I started playing FNM right when Odyssey came out. UG madness was the first actually good deck I made because all of the cards were pretty cheap for how effective it was. I mostly played against monored goblins in Onslaught standard, so goblin bidding was usually a surprise where a player might hold back their swamps until it was time to win. Good memories of losing a lot of matches as a young kid.

[@doylerudolph7965]

I can't believe I didn't see any of these videos until recently (people were talking about the double 5-0 Fact or Fiction bluff in the comments of a recent video) - these are FANTASTIC and I'd love to see more like them. Perhaps looking at 1994-1996 Standards could be interesting? Sure, you have the insanity of Urza block, but the fair Magic of those days was fascinating, as was the development of the modern concepts that are second nature today (like Sligh's mana curve and The Deck's removal/stabilization/draw which pioneered the modern "answer everything" control archetype).

[@bigshrimp6914]

What a cool insight into the history of mtg

[@markgonzales8005]

This was my Era. Miss them

[@Meddling_Mage]

These 2000s videos rock! Would be awesome to see the 2 decks from the 2000 world championship, the bob maher and brian davis match.

[@michaschulz5182]

I was 14 this was my First Standart/T2 and Madness my First Tournament Deck this is pure nostalgia

[@GotchaPlaysGer]

„We love frank! Bring him every week!“

[@LaserfaceJones]

Competitive Magic hit our friend circle like a hurricane with Goblin Piledriver. We went from 90 card piles with our best rares to getting absolutely blown out on turn 4 or 5 every game.

[@Alternative-Works]

The bidding deck got even crazier when, for a short time, it had skull clamp! Insane synergy with goblins and their sac outlets =)

[@robotetanus]

Thank you for doing more content from this era of MTG!

[@VagrantKing]

The way Frank plays counting out if he can do lethal is exactly how I play my Krenko commander deck. I don’t run loops just compounding synergies that end up shooting out wild damage numbers as fast as possible to make my opponents go “wait we’re just dead?” And I’m like the astronaut with a gun meme “Always have been.” 😂

[@kobevandenbosch1318]

I was actually born in 2003 and right now both goblins and madness are amongst my favorite decks! This level of coincidence feels kinda weird but also really cool!

[@kobevandenbosch1318]

I also really like this series, it is very interesting to see how the game evolved through the years!

[@BrootalMetalBanjo]

I played that UG madness deck. It was all about my Rootwallas and Roar of the Wurm

[@dylanmahoney4889]

That avatar shirt is iconic ❤

[@FlakManiak]

Sparksmith, my beloved! Every time you tap him, you go up a card! Two-mana Visara the Dreadful!

[@valt3rnative]

Always happy to see some goblin content ❤ I felt very nostalgic while I was watching this

[@SimpleWillyy]

i fricking love this Guy Frank Krasten

[@bulgi7440]

I’ve got that goblin deck from when I was a kid, I remember the anger of may friend when we were kids and I keep winning against ravnica precon 😂

[@ryanpinkus1338]

Back in the day, my twin and I went to a card shop to buy some cards and there was a tournament going on. I saw the Madness deck and I watched the game and I wanted that deck so bad, it looked so fun. So I've built it and it is my pet deck.. Then Blazing rootwalla was released. So I adapted that one single card into the deck(in the old border, obviously) It's still my favorite pet deck.