Mail Call Mondays Season 2 #04 - Stock vs. Chassis (featuring Cadex Strike 30)

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[@joslinnick]

Why does Bell and Carlson's website look like it's from 1997?

[@ThrottleJunkie]

Run with it. Been growin mine since Halloween.

[@Pr0VideR50]

Not sure what it is with the beards these days but I have one too. Unfortunately out of the blue I started getting skin irratation from shaving of course a Dr. note is needed as it is against department policy to have a beard at my dept. Suddenly, many other officers have succomb to the razor rash lol.. I love my beard.. Keep it.

[@billdixon3703]

Looks should definitely be a factor when picking a chassis. Now it will not be the number one factor or even 2 but it's definitely a factor. If 2 stocks offered the same thing at the same price or close to the same price, I'm going to pick the one that looks more appealing to the eye

[@ThadJB]

I just purchased an XLR Element with a fully adjustable tactical butt for about $600.00; as you mentioned turnkey for a barreled action.... Right after I jacked up my B&C M-40 :(

[@Whitehorze]

You can buy a really nice house for what you can spend on either one. If your building a rifle for Plinking, Camping, or general walking around, save the cash and build a Savage. My 12 FVSS runs 1/2 MOA at 200 yards with the factory barrel. Save your money and spend it on training and experience. The rifle will shoot better than you will 99% of the time.

[@wulfieluff]

Not sure the beard looks good on you but its definately nice to keep your chin warm. What I want to know is for tactical precision rifles/matches is it worth the extra money to use the competition reloading dies the various companies manufacture or are the standard dies enough.

[@tommyutube1]

have you got past the "It itches'' stage yet?

[@carpetea]

Thanks John, good content yet again, especially the recent Shot Show coverage. Regarding the beard - "Get out and shave!"

[@minervius]

there are two that I have seen, one by the fellow manufacturers that shared the shot show 2013 booth with promag and one other one which I dont remember. but the other one just search promag mosin shotshow on tube

[@shortround63]

John, will you be filming a review on your USO sn-3?

[@Hitman2acutall]

If you close your eyes and listen kinda sounds like Owen Wilson

[@swtnix]

$488 for Bell & Carlson #2094(adjustable), 400 for bottom metal. under a grand. over 2 grand for just a chassis?

[@cmbmd1]

Keep the beard. I have found that it does a great job covering up ugly. I've had one for the last 35 years. ;-)

[@Jeff_C45]

Will you ever do a review on the Cadex? I've seen it in a lot of your videos. Wondering how you feel it stacks up to other chassis on the market. Really interested in using one for my next build but have never been able to hold or see one.

[@bradleypopwell1551]

Sorry, old comment but this is for anyone else that stumbles upon it. Cadex makes some GREAT chassis systems that a durable beyond belief. But, the market in 2016 and 2017 is flooding with demand and more companies are coming about, offering comparable chassis for a fraction of the price. A great company would be MDT.

[@badassmotha40001]

Ordered an interceptor from drake associates last week, super excited for it to get here :)) Flat/Dark Earth too.

[@Severyn26]

Get out and shoot! lol too cheesy. Until next time was good enough and it worked with your overall tone throughout the video. Other then that, Great videos. Love your channel.

[@300wmrn]

Keep the beard ........and is ax chassis as good as the other chassis systems out their or better as far as price and features

[@daporter84]

As for the beard, I find it's harder to get a good cheek weld, the hair gets in the way... looks good but bad for my shooting.

[@johnshilling2221]

I read somewhere that BDL stands for Better Deluxe. I have a Remington model 700 BDL (SS) it came with a removable magazine, not a hinged floor plate. The stock appears to be similar, black with Monte-Carlo stock, and very flimsy. No fore end reinforcements, small lugs at the extreme forend that press forcefully against the barrel. No pillars, all plastic. It boggles the mind that one of the best bolt action rifles on the market comes with what could possibly be the worst stock ever! The research I did into reinforcing the stock, adding pillars, and bedding the receiver convinced me that the only option is a better stock. Any comments?

[@spraynpray]

I think you should have mentioned how cheap that Mcree chassis is. You can get a Mcree Precision chassis for a Rem 700 for $550. That's a lot less than the other models mentioned in this video and has a lot more adjustability than the $1000 one mentioned. It doesn't come with the top NV rail though, that is an (expensive) option.

[@spraynpray]

Short answer: Chassis tend to have more adjustability, DBM, accessory mounting points, fold for storage, and are hundreds of dollars cheaper than doing the same with a "stock". The downside is that they are harder to find cheap and used, and you will get hassled more by fudds and asked more questions by 15 year olds.

[@melissafrix9180]

IM A BEARD WEARER FOR LIFE SO WAS JESUS 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸

[@clayv3679]

Beards are great. Experiment until your wife loves it or shaves it while you sleep. Maybe a handle bar moustache?????????

[@skidmarkx8642]

keep the beard you look like a child without it. it adds character and credibility. just explain to your wife that its something that will make you happy and therefore make her happy.

[@SimpleAviator]

Happy wife Happy life.

[@ZOM8IEHUNT3R]

Why start with a Rem 700 for a precision build if a Tikka t3 out of the box has a smoother action, free floated barrel, 1 in moa guarantee, easily adjusted trigger and a mag system. I am a long time hunter, getting into long range shooting for sport, just curious on why many recommend the 700 over the T3??

[@MrLennieT]

You mentioned in one of your videos using less expensive rings unless you were going to use them for competition where you had to travel. Is that because the less expensive rings might not be as strong or is it that they might not be in spec and if so, could any of the less expensive rings harm your scope?

[@BryantKeller]

I'm not really a fan of chassis systems. I think a good compromise for people, like myself, who like the feel of a traditional stock is to use something like an A5 or a T5A stock. Both of which you can get for less than $900/USD and come with adjustable cheek pieces.

[@cameronmcandrew9745]

Watch out Chuck Norris. You look Younger without it bloke. lol. And don't do to much to upset your Mrs. And for those willing to do their own research could you post or mention a list of potential good investments in the chassis and stock options that are out there, say your top ten of each or such?

[@usmc6882]

hey i have a question for you have you ever seen or used a TAC-21 chassis system before i have been thinking about getting one for my .308 for a while now any replies would be great ............ thanks . Semper FI ........... cricket

[@kenjif89]

Great video, great channel. Do you think you can do an episode to cover tricks for estimating wind speeds in the field (no flags)? Based on this week's comments the viewers would probably enjoy an episode about your new beard more.

[@spliceberry101]

I'm attempting a beard too, wife hates it too..... But sometimes a guy needs to be hairy for awhile. They watch too much The Bachelor, it warps what they think is attractive. Leonidas pulled it off like a boss...

[@MrMapex2010]

I asked this question in a pm but I think many may benefit from it being asked here. What's your opinion on a Remington 700 vs a savage model 10? Compare out of the box accuracy, availability of custom parts, price, etc.

[@kenjif89]

Btw- +1 for beard, but the wife factor makes it a moot point... If your going to tell the wife the fans have a bigger say than her- she might just use that budget precision rifle you built her on you LOL

[@clayv3679]

How long did you shoot with a traditional stock before you moved into the fancy chassis systems?

[@ScarsandInk]

Seems like a lot, but once you get your hands on it it doesn't sting that bad. They really are THAT nice in person. Just remember that everyones got a different budget/mission/hobby.

[@clayv3679]

Hey John, Would you like to touch on the AWB thats going on and how this will affect Americans and law enforcement and just what it all means.

[@36Hooters]

G'day John other than AI chasis. Are there any of the US chasis systems that are available in a non folding, fully adjustable stock. Myles

[@ScarsandInk]

And it does have a few little niches that my McRee doesn't, but they are merely cosmetic for the most part if I had to absolutely honest.

[@tundraotto]

How about some instructional shooting/riflescope use videos with a 8541Tactical flavor? the beards good - for the winter.... :-)

[@aaronunterseher1627]

This video did not age well with MDT acc and ess being 1k and has all the same features lol

[@jaronjackson6913]

Thanks for the clarity. To answer ur question, beard suits ya...

[@staleyh1]

The XLR Evolution Chasis system is. For the cost of the XLR I am going that route vs the traditional stock.

[@MrMapex2010]

Liking the beard. How do you transport your rifles in the field? Do you opt for a hard case or drag bag?

[@deplorabledave1048]

The Cadex chassis system in the video is awesome but a poor choice to compare to a B&C stock as far as price. The Cadex chassis are top tier and astronomical in price. A better example would be the cost of a MDT LSS chassis system vs a fixed stock. John never did review this Cadex but has reviewed two of MDT chassis systems. They are one of the most affordable IMO. I have to say I am still torn between the MDT LSS and a B&C. I LIKE having a Triad Stock pack. I love my stock pack. I would have to give that up ( I think) if I used a light Magpul CTR stock on a chassis system. The LSS basic chassis is only $400.

[@deplorabledave1048]

Great video. The Triad Tactical stock mpack shown is old model. I just got a new model Large Modular version. It has movable ammo strip and a moveable AICS mag holder. The pouch is larger and will fit a MilDot Master card. Check it out. I wish John would do a review on it. There is nothing else like the Modular model. Extremely versatile. All new models of Triad now use a tan/grey material for cheek rest material instead of black. I think the black was getting too hot in bright sunlight.

[@showtimeridershouston6054]

I'm torn between Ruger Precision rifle series and the Smith & Wesson Tompson Center Proformas I can only afford one. What's your thoughts 🤔??

[@8541tactical]

I would likely still lean to the RPR. The number of accessories available and the easy barrel swap are great for starting at mid level and moving up.

[@timwilhelmson8707]

hi john what fiberglass stock company is best for long range guns do they all have an chassis aluminum ? thanks

[@adamkadir3803]

Manners and McMillan. Done.

[@C_Squared]

Is the Cadex Strike 30 the same chassis on the Remington XM2010 SOCOM rifle?

[@billcolgan70]

I would love to see a review of the MDT tac21, thanks

[@chrisrogers8733]

It is 2018 and I just bought a Tac Mad A5 and asked them if they would do some inletting. CS came back and said they will send the stock off to have it done however they will not inlet the stock in house.

[@jameshull5274]

like the beard, plus face warmth is really needed this time of year!

[@tjarmand]

I have the cadex in the rem 700 aac sd 6.5 and I absolutely love it!!! I wish I would have gotten It several years ago and just put a lot of thought in to it and I would have saved myself a lot of time and money trying to find something I really liked wo spending a small fortune but in the end I ended up spending more by doing it that way cause I never found that gun that was what I wanted.. they all had things I liked and disliked but the cadex is the one I ended up with and I am very very glad I did!! now I am saving for the 338lm duel strike chassis in green... looks amazing and I picked one up at my local gunsmiths shop and wow I cant wait!!!!

[@tjarmand]

do you know anything about camp Atterbury?? they have a 2k range but its military so im not sure how to get to go but I have heard from my local gunsmith that they do let ppl in but it isn't as easy as it should b considering the government litteraly spent millions to renovate it and it is only used a couple times a year.. it is pretty major events they host so im not arguing about them doing it but I do think it should b able to b used by the public if the military isn't using it even if it cost some kind a monetary fee to get in I would gladly do it to b able to shoot 2k.. I would even walk it to put my own targets up lol..

[@soSOLID1]

Do you recommend a folding stock mechanism for chasiss systems? I'm purchasing a xlr, and they offer that upgrade.

[@mrmidnight32]

Eagle Pack > Triad Packs

[@SjoerdV83]

Great video! This Cadex stock is definetly a competator to the MDT TAC21 chassis. It's going to be a difficult choice between the two.

[@tiger9764]

Going off the classic stock vs chassis video what about accuracy difference? Can a classic stock like the one on the new bergara b14 hmr in 308 be as rigid as a heavy solid wood stock and how well does a chassis work in that area also?

[@jdirt1982]

Did you ever do a full out review of the cadex strike 30 chassis ??? I'm not seein it anywhere. Thanks. Over

[@tjarmand]

from what I hear it takes 6 months to get it after you but it tho so I am not much on that being it will take me a couple months to save for it so It would b nice to get it right away but it doesn't look like that will happen and the quality is good enough to warrant the wait...

[@richardb8042]

i know its not in the same league as your powder guns but these videos have helped me improve my air gunning and i have recently gone to a chassis system on one....its so much better! thanks

[@spraynpray]

There isn't a lot of info on it and I'm sure you'd do a great job reviewing it. My plan for my bolt 308 changed from 700 in a McRee to a Savage 10 in a McRee to an FN in a McMillan. The build got cheaper and cheaper. The only info I've seen on the McRee was briefing handling one in California. The gunsmith was in love with them, but I am unfairly biased against California and didn't really want to take his word without any specifics.

[@peterkolovos3079]

Love all of your reviews. Being in LE for 15 years, I was never a facial hair kind of guy. You looked better without the beard. More like the jar head you were!

[@flatpikinguitar]

Hey man what are some budget priced chassis systems other than what you mentioned? Looking for decent adjustability and possibly upgrades while staying under $1000. Thanks!

[@dukeboy-6645]

look for an XLR evolution or one of their other chassis they make, very nice and under 1k.

[@hungarianhillbilly4144]

Very informative video. I read the Codex can take different style of magazines. Is there a model that can take the AR-10 mags?

[@brianbarciszewski9028]

I have a VEPR and was wanting to install a Xlr stock. What are your thoughts?

[@Pat98300]

did you ever do a full review video on the Chassis system you have in this video I would like to see it ... But don't see it in your line up

[@DrAlNguyen]

Play it safe. Heed your wife.

[@larrybentley16]

bushnell 3200 10x or swfa 10x please help me

[@vizi0123]

Hi John, with the potential ban and all, would the Cadex Strike 30 be on the potential ban list? The chassis features a pistol grip, fold-able stock, and evil looking rails. I really like the chassis but haven't save enough for it yet. Should i do a panic buy? Btw you rock regardless of facial hair or not.

[@MrMapex2010]

Already went out and bought a Savage 10 FPC .308 and its shoots amazingly. I wanted an accurate out of the box rifle that didn't need any work, hence the Savage. I already asked John this question, just thought others could also benifit from it. As for the training, I've just forked out a bit over $1000 for a 5 day training course in long range marksmanship with an e-SAS sniper (Australia). Savage is the way to go for out of the box performance, Rem 700 for customising in my opinion.

[@GWLBMW]

After 52 years of marriage I will guarantee that the most important thing you said about your beard is "My wife hates it" I always went back to clean shaven after missions where a beard was grown. :-)

[@Adventures-cb6sz]

Familiar with the MDT TAC-21 chassis? Pros and cons?

[@hardcorehenry1812]

Great Video very helpful. Does the Cadex Strike 30 Chassis fit any Remington 700 or particular models? Could you explain the complexity of the actual build. Need some help...

[@8541tactical]

The Cadex has Strike models for Remington short and long action rifles. So you can get a Cadex chassis for any Remington 700. They will all bolt right in to the correct chassis. In the case of the rifle shown, there isn't really any "build". You just remove the old stock and install the Strike 30.

[@Gorgi9999]

I have a beard for many years. Yours is doing well John, and just let it grow wild. It will distinguish you from the others, with added wisdom. The wisdom you share in your videos is much appreciated!!!! THANK YOU!!!!

[@theeditsuiteat]

@LoneWolfUSMC Someone should design one with a quick release system. Maybe with picatiney rails so you can mount lights and lasers. They could call it the Mugpul tactical beard.

[@fhsauce]

Mostly for two reasons, brand loyalty and availability of third party parts / support. I went with a T3 as my first precision rifle and there is no comparison between that and the stock R700.

[@flatpikinguitar]

Beard looks pretty sweet. But keep the wife happy. She can keep your face warm ;)

[@trevorwray]

Hard to not like your channel John!

[@redheadedduckhunter]

you going to the Chris Costa look?

[@Chucklin87]

Good video, very informative, but I think a good stock to mention would be the J.A.E chassis. It what I have been leaning towards for my .308 build

[@usmc2511]

Your videos are a great learning experience as well as very entertaining. Thanks!

[@Hankywood]

Review on the Mcree chassis???

[@theeditsuiteat]

You look way younger without, but the beard is stylin' and tactical. Wife should have final vito though.

[@bobbysanders6670]

"There are two kinds of people in this world that go around beardless - boys and women - and you are neither one."

[@minervius]

what type of carrier of my barrel+action would you consider to be more rigid. the chasis or the stock type ?

[@LockStockNBarrel]

Holy fucking shit $2500 for that chassis system...

[@AF-O6]

Listen to your wife, Marine! Thank you for the detailed, well produced, and informative videos....they are one of the few things good about Mondays.

[@fhsauce]

Keep the beard, thought you were LEO though? They let you grow full out like that?

[@xof711]

Awesome! I was thinking of getting a Cadex Strike 30... Pricey but versatile.

[@srdl2000]

Keep it. Its the only place left on my head I can actually grow hair anymore...

[@elle5209]

No man. Off the fur.

[@Marlin.9_2024]

They are cheap but you have to buy a $200+ stock mount and a new AR stock

[@NXBXDY333]

big fan and would like to hear your thoughts on precision .17hmr shooting

[@frogman4468]

Great video john. I really like the kadex stock. Thanks for posting.

[@wingding028]

good video john

[@efoxneo]

Keep the Beard.

[@larrybentley16]

like the beard

[@armyofhamsters11]

Your beard is bae. Nuff said.