Mac Mini M4 Pro vs $1600 Small FormFactor Gaming PC

[@cmathieu]

For serious gamers, a custom PC with a dedicated GPU is a must. I purchased the M4 Pro Mac Mini as I am not a gamer and what is most important to me is power consumption which is where a custom PC will be exorbitantly expensive to run 24/7 as my Mac Mini is on 24/7 as a server for various tasks.

[@williamlaprarie3007]

People trying to push this machine mini are frauds.

[@stephanemignot100]

Windows is an abomination, I don't need AAA games in my life, my Mini M2 Pro is good enough.

[@videofrat3115]

how much money do you think you would spend in electricity if you would have a pc every month? im curious

[@cmathieu]

​@@videofrat3115I previously owned a custom PC that had a 13th Gen i7, a GTX1660 and a 800 watt PSU as at the time I was planning on upgrading the GTX1660 to an RTXxxxx. This PC was left on 24x7. My average electricity bill was between $270 to $310 each month even though I have a 13kw solar system. When I decided that this was too expensive to run and since I was not playing any AAA rated games, it was a wasted system. I then did some research and decided that the then M2 Pro Mac Mini would be a great upgrade. 3 months into owning that, my electricity bill was averaging between $40 to $60 per month!! A significant cash savings. About 3 months ago, I purchased a Tesla PowerWall 2 solar battery and now my electricity company pays me between $10 & $12 per month 😊 While I am not a Windows fan, I do think it's handy to have a Windows PC for testing stuff so I bought myself a low power mini PC running the Intel N97 CPU with 16GB of DDR5 RAM. I must say that I am very impressed with it's performance for A$240 😊

[@CJ-sm1sp]

@@videofrat3115depends on pc specs. for 8 hour use with total wattage of 500w on a midrange desktop @ .$10/kilowatt (in canada) , it is $12.175 (canadian) per month. on mac mini m4 on same hours a day at 65w @. 10 kilowatt it will be $1.5584 /month. so the difference will be around $10.6 canadian per month or 127.9/year.

[@TitoBobbyPh]

First of all… the video card is bigger than the Mac mini 😂😂😂

[@Espesia1]

For those who curious, based on my observations and watching countless of benchmark videos: M4 is on the same level as RTX 2050 laptop. M4 Pro is very similar to RTX 4050 laptop. M4 Max roughly equivalent RTX 4070 laptop. Apple made a huge progress with the advancements of its devices in GPU power, but, obviously, they still have a lot of catch up to do.

[@iLegionaire3755]

M4 Ultra is rumored to be slightly more powerful than the RTX 4090. If true, the real game changer for Apple will be M5 Apple Silicon.

[@pablovi77]

@@Espesia1 They’ll get nowhere close to that if the software doesn’t use them properly, like in Premiere which only uses CUDA. And Resolve is not optimized for non CUDA. And in games it’s moot point when you still need to translate the games, so it’s emulation, not comparable. And they don’t have catching up to do, competing with proper GPU’s at that size and power consumption it’s insane.

[@Espesia1]

@ And yet, they are catching up to discrete GPUs based on benchmarks, games and apps real use case scenarios. There are more and more games available at the Steam library on Macs. Apple new Game Porting Tool kit is almost the same as Proton software Valve uses for Linux, which allows devs to save a lot of time porting their games to MacOS. So yes, the future of gaming on Macs looks brighter as never before.

[@pablovi77]

@@Espesia1 Still even proton runs fairly behind and has issues native support don’t have in games. I own a Steam Deck.

[@Espesia1]

@@pablovi77 Well, nonetheless, even with such issues M4 chips by performance are comparable to the Nvidia laptop GPUs I’ve mentioned in my original comment. You don’t have to take my word for it. Here are MrMcright, MrMcrightPlus, Andrew Tsai, and MacProTips KZbin channels. You can check gaming benchmarks on Mac chips and then compare performance to the mentioned above Nvidia laptop GPUs. Go ahead and prove me wrong.

[@stephanieherman2861]

taking 14600k was a mistake, should have taken 14700k. it is 43% faster and hardly more expensive

[@harryshuman9637]

Idk where you get your prices, but 14700k is 50% more expensive.

[@idehogo3969]

@@harryshuman9637💀dude did not get the memo of price to performer

[@abdullah5ahmad]

​@@harryshuman9637Like 15% more expensive, not 50% .

[@novalovan]

that pc would become fire hazard

[@hadeseye2297]

@@abdullah5ahmad 70% more expensive where I live. Plus 14600K hackintosh builds were already made. Would be nice to have all 3 PCs under same OS when doing benchmarks.

[@akin242002]

Why not compare the M4 Mac Mini to the latest Windows mini-PCs from Geekom, BeeLink, and Minisforum?

[@eprpop]

It was compared against a similar price PC.

[@akin242002]

@eprpop Geekom A7 and A8 are similarly priced.

[@haresovbadarov1342]

@@eprpop600 vs 1500 , yeah same price 😂

[@fr3d10]

Was windows 11 free with your pc ?

[@naumjohn523]

i mean, you can buy windows 10 for less than $20,00 on sites like GVG MALL and them the upgrade from windows 10 to 11 are free in the this moment

[@naumjohn523]

Also there's a lot of people like me who already have windows 11 key. I have one in my pc and another in my 13 years old notebook ( windows give free upgrade from windows 8 to 10 and finally to windows 11)

[@bronxandbrenx]

What about power efficiency?

[@Waffle12-yn9qu]

m4 and m4 pro mac mini are really power efficient a lot better than the pc

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

11:03 That's CS GO on Mac vs CS2 on Windows. Two completely different things.

[@Ukraine-Liberty]

like a ps5 vs pc.

[@Alamo-cz5xc]

did you say that fan was made by Hawk Tuah?

[@CJ-sm1sp]

I've always been a pc guy here and everyone knows that in gaming and rendering a dedicated gpu on a pc set up will obliterate the macs of the past all day, but this m4 chip is no slouch . Never in my imagination that they are this good after ditching intel cpus. Future is bright for mac users if M processors keeps on improving. The m4 mac mini was somewhat better than m1s and m2s in both cpu and gpu performance. Heck , even m4 Max is getting closser to RTX 4070 absed on what i've seen/read in terms of gaming performance. I can imagine the m5s and m6 or even m7s in 3 years time that one can probably start gaming on these platform decently on 1080p(ultra 100 fps on AAA games) and even 1440p. If that happens, I will probably consider a pro version or studio in the future and use a platform that I never thought I'd ever use at all.

[@placeholderhandlehere]

My god what a blast from the past, I used to watch this channel 10 years ago!

[@superqaxclub]

the thing about most Mac mini vs PC are some have to buy used parts in order to match the price. Still that's the beauty of PC building, is you can build however you want at any price

[@RiceCubeTech]

And fix it/upgrade it throughout the years. The lack of upgrade storage on Mac is really disappointing.

[@matthewtrow5698]

I guess when you consider the max power draw of a mac mini pro m4 is around 140w (and idle about 5w), whilst the 4070ti alone has an average of 200w+, when you add in the cpu power on the gaming PC too, you could easily be using 3x the power - and interestingly, that's sort of matched by performance. Ok, it doesn't really work exactly that way, but the GPU + CPU on the gaming rig is using additional power to ramp up that incredible performance. The cost in reality? Depends on how much you game and the price of energy where you live - for most, it's negligible. My current energy cost is about 30cents US a KW hour - so 3 hours of gaming on a high spec gaming PC will probably be a dollar. On a mac M4 - who knows, 25cents for 3 hours? It really isn't a big deal. Even if you game 6 hours a day 30 days a month using a powerful PC, it's unlikely to cost more than 60 dollars. As for powerful gaming rigs - heck, 60fps is good enough for 99% of gamers. I'm just amazed at the pro gaming scene where people are rocking FPS averaging 200 - that's nuts. My brain can't even compute that. We're now in the same territory as audiophiles, who claim specific expensive cables enhance sound and that they can hear the difference, whilst us mere mortals need not apply. However, I reckon a gaming PC that can run games at 60fps is absolutely a better deal than an M4 mac mini pro if your primary use case is gaming. The compatibility is going to be 100% - and you also can do some VR gaming, which is currently near impossible on a mac. (good luck getting ALVR doing anything but a black screen)

[@ytxzw]

Preset FASTER in both handbrake configurations? 🤔

[@alessandromanuel728]

A well-built PC with a 4070 Ti easily outperforms the M4 Pro, no question. The sheer power and versatility of a custom rig like that make it a game-changer compared to pre-built systems.

[@TheDankh]

Not for productivity…

[@Beteng_Q]

​@@TheDankh render time tho

[@TheDankh]

@@Beteng_Q That’s my only concern, but have yet to see real world testing where cpu/neural cores may/may not pick up the GPU slack.

[@pablovi77]

You’re comparing an igpu to a dedicated super fast, third fastest actually GPU. You don’t take a look at temps, voltage, noise, and are using different software to measure them. At least use AMD cards, that don’t use CUDA. And use the same software, like Resolve.

[@eprpop]

It is a SoC, and that is what you find even in the most expensive studio computer from Apple, so don´t complain for that...

[@charlievarley]

​@eprpop the max is roughly 2-2.5x faster in gpu, 2x faster in video encoding and 25% faster cpu. The ultra has not released but is 2 max chips.

[@ShaffafAhmed]

so ? it is all about price vs performance.

[@pablovi77]

@ No, it’s not. It’s power consumption, noise, heat, etc.

[@eprpop]

@@pablovi77 Apple fans always trying to justify paying more for less.

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

M4 Base vs 12400 Non-F + RTX 4060 Build for 600 usd with 1TB SSD. It's possible in India, so it should be easily possible in the US. Of course, only real world performance comparison.

[@Ryzen-4090-i3n]

The CPU m4 is superior, and GPU 4060 is better. However, the m4 Mac mini is quite small and power-efficient. Ultimately, it depends on your needs and whether you prefer macOS or Windows.

[@Panmiszcz-lv4mk]

@@Ryzen-4090-i3n I mean a 1tb mac mini would be a 1000 bucks... think about it

[@Ryzen-4090-i3n]

@@Panmiszcz-lv4mk external ssd?

[@Panmiszcz-lv4mk]

@@Ryzen-4090-i3n yeah but that's at least uncomfortable

[@Ryzen-4090-i3n]

@@Panmiszcz-lv4mk I mean if we need the performance at 600$ we need to deal with it I guess

[@berdik97]

apple need bring back eGPU support or make their own dedicated gpu iGPU in m4 series too limited by ram speed

[@mipad553]

Geekbench GPU score?

[@PassportBrosBusinessClass]

When I build my next desktop, everything will be based around the 5090. I doubt I'd be able to use such a small case.

[@gecko6212]

@mw technology How loud is the pc build loud with the fans?

[@novakk86]

Most PCs are quiet due to larger sizes (33L for my Asus AP201) of cases they can incorporate bigger heatsinks (Thermalright PS120 on my CPU and nitro+ variant of my 7800xt) and bigger fans like 120/140mm which can dissipate heat at lower fan speeds.

[@adam872]

My take away from this is that when you use a discrete GPU you get significant increases in performance. I'm being a bit flippant but the result is not surprising. What I think has surprised people is how capable these base M4 Minis really are. That price vs performance ratio is pretty excellent. I also think we should compare Macs with what you can configure and buy off the shelf from a rival tier 1 vendor, like HP, Lenovo, Dell etc, because it's firstly what the average punter (who the Mini is targeted at) is likely to buy, rather than build their own and secondly, because it includes the labour and logistics of manufacturing the complete item. If I look at the base M4 Mini vs a Dell Optiplex Micro Form Factor with similar RAM and SSD, the Mini is a pretty good deal.

[@ferrellogic]

mini m4 + external gpu, is it possible?

[@riomarchello7080]

apple disabled the capability of using eGPU :), it is technically possible because Qualcomm enables that on the next Snapdragon X Elite

[@TRDTYukiTV]

i really wish people who do mac reviews would do temps, they do matter.

[@Tigerex966]

Everything changes when you upgrade the ram ssd or gpu at time of purchase. Mac base models are pretty good values though usually

[@davidcooper574]

If you want to game get/build a pc. If you want to edit video, get a Mac. Apple needs to reduce the cost to upgrade ram. It’s ridiculous. At least they finally raised minimum ram to 16gb.

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

But their specifications are also different.. you compare the PCIe 4.0 x16 slot limited things (GPU what you plug there is limited by that speed, at least in communication between CPU and GPU, with 32GB/s transfer speed limit..) to a PCIe 8.0 x16 (the 500GB/s M4 Max laptop chip is required at least that slot..) and same for memory, a dual DDR5 RAM also limited about 80-100GB/s in laptop meanwhile Apple already have more than 500GB/s in laptop (so their M4 Ultra, what is their desktop chip will be even faster..) so you are comparing the dual chaneel DDR5 against the 10-12channel DDR5 speed... isn't that the same like compare the HDD against the SSD and complain about the price diff..?

[@HoundDogMech]

You aren't comparing APPLES to APPLES. The Windows machine has 32 GB & 1 TB NVMe SSD. You need an inclosure & an NVMe 1TB SSD of external storage to make the Mac's Usable. With an addition of a Garbage Handle a Flat screen monitog hunf on the side and a wireless mouse & keyboard the windows is portable to anywheree theres a 120 volt outlet.

[@bradovard8657]

To make it usable for what?

[@PassportBrosBusinessClass]

A $1600 PC with a 14900K and a 4070Ti is no small chunk of change for many people - but I'd gladly take that over the M4, Xbox and PS5. I'm waiting till the 5090 releases before I build my next 8 year machine. Core ultra 9 285K with AIO, 5090 with AIO, 2TB SSD for OS, 4TB SSD for games. 1200W PSU, 64GB DDR5. Will probably cost me $5000 or so but I saved up double that. I will continue using my Alienware 34" monitor and Klipsch 2.1 promedia speakers as well as my VR and 7.1 headphones for DCS World and Microsoft Flight Sim.

[@ricarmig]

Then you get a real life and you need to sell that 😂

[@nguyendinh2052]

Why 285k? It’s slower than 7800X3D for game.

[@iLegionaire3755]

@@nguyendinh2052 9800X3D/9950X3D with RTX 5090 is the build I am pursuing for 2025.

[@ispenttoomuchongear]

I would have liked to see a 12 core Ryzen CPU. The 4070 is overcooked in comparision to the M4 Pro and even more to the M4.

[@aron-fk8os]

Is it just me or is your audio buzzing all the time?

[@newsnetworkz]

Hey Bro, thanks for the review, upvoted! Could you please put the URL to all those games in the video description?!

[@FilipCools]

I think this comparison is quite good. Maybe a 14700K would be a better comparison.

[@JrC123_00]

And don't forget that Mac scaling at 1440p is awful garbage. You need 4K monitor with M4.

[@InnerFire6213]

an intel for a small confined pc and low profile air cooler. you gonna make that cpu self destruct faster than usual. i guess that's why you don't include the temp

[@krishnamishra4102]

That's the spec of my pc , in India , believe me that 14600k is bottlenecking pretty bad my avg was 100 fps(1080p) ultra , and 95 at 2k ultra , no rt dlss , in cyberpunk , you are getting good fps but the gpu can pull out more , now I think I should have gone for 14700k and 4070 super , this combo is literally waste believe me. BTW I did not buy a used gpu , literally ther was not use of getting 4070ti super it's under performing with that bottleneck of a cpu 4070 super could have done as much good.

[@RiceCubeTech]

Personally I would have dropped from a 4070ti super to a a 4070 super and then got a 14700k. The Macs greatest draw is its cpu performance and the 4070s is more than enough to beat the m4 gpu in real world scenarios. Or gone amd and grabbed a 9900x or last gen 7950x which is still super competitive.

[@cthree87]

Mac Mini M4 vs. $1600 PC playing Cyberpunk 2077, what sort of FPS are you getting?

[@videofrat3115]

To make a fair comparison you would need to compare with the M4 max, not the M4 pro

[@CJ-sm1sp]

Why m4 max is probably cost twice as much of that pc rig?

[@penguinpewpew_]

If we could play Valorant and Cities Skylines 2 in MAC I would buy one. I need a small computer 😢 but I can't, so I'll try to build an ITX PC.

[@nasimmahamud98]

Good job😊

[@nisem0no]

I cant help but think the PC was being thermal throttled at 95 degrees. That must've affected its capabilities. Edit: it even gets near 100 degrees. Yeah... That's not good.

[@wayoftruth8428]

Bro Premier is a joke on Mac since it's basically all GPU reliant unlike FCP and Resolve which utilize CPU GPU and NPU. As a pro editor one of the reasons I switched to Mac is because Davinci is better optimized on Mac than windows and definitely more so than I think even FCP which is kinda funny. But DR lets you utilize the NPU for render tasks manually as well as allocate dedicated amounts of RAM for render tasks so performance can be more controlled. Also note that renders will be slowed by the systems memory capability since it's writing the file while rendering so the ssd speeds play a role. That's why it's better to use a custom M.2 NVME SSD externally with the thunderbolt 5 you'll actually get faster speeds and hence enhance your render times.

[@hydzior]

Thats some crappy comparison… I would take that PC anyday than this mac.

[@TakiGosc427]

Pc costs over 2,5 times more than Mac, GPU itself costs about 1,3 times more. It would be weird if pc wasn't machine with better performance (thou differences between CPUs aren't that big imo)

[@CJ-sm1sp]

@TakiGosc427 maybe with mac mini but not with the mac m4 pro. the base model is an absolute banger for its price but then its limited with 4 performance core, 16 gb and 256 Gb storage. It becomes scammy ones you upgraded either of those. Anything higher than base model will result the same obliteration in gaming and rendering and if not even with cpu intensive workloads when compared to pc rig per dollar ratio.

[@TakiGosc427]

@@CJ-sm1sp I agree, except ram upgrade to 24GB is in my opinion borderline scammy. If you want to use mac mini for a very long time, it might turn out that in the future 16 gigs is too small and Mac could live slightly longer for those 200$, which is still too much for 8GB. It's fast 8 gigs, but still only 8.

[@transistor777]

There is no competition between apple silicon vs Intel and Amd, but add nVidia in the equation then its Game over for apple silicon

[@ProNab]

9:45 it runs through rosetta..

[@leophoenix1452]

Going with the custom PC all the way...

[@stefan_becker]

Until October 2025 when Windows 10 support ends. I don't like Windows 11 and will switch to Mac soon.

[@leophoenix1452]

@stefan_becker Will always dual boot with a linux OS

[@jorgem50]

I was going to buy a mac mini m4 for my wedding video editing but I decided not to. I did however buy one for my wife for her photography and it's pretty fast. I ran some video editing and rendering tests and compared to my built pc and the mac mini m4 is much slower than my pc. Of coure, my pc is huge and more power hungry so price for price I think the mini is an excellent value.

[@MarkHyde]

BOTH - If I was deciding I would get the PC for gaming and M4 Mac Mini (base model with external NVME drive option) for other tasks. I already have tech that suits my needs so holding off upgrading for a few years. Great video though.

[@digitalermitanyo8937]

Oh my. I think your CPU on your PC is averaging at around 95C. That's a perfect timing for a heater this coming December

[@akshat8586]

M4 Max and other M4 chips reach that temperature too in heavy loads, its normal.

[@digitalermitanyo8937]

⁠@@akshat8586for a 14600k, that’s already on a “threshold “. That’s not normal

[@Ryzen-4090-i3n]

@@digitalermitanyo8937 i wonder what cooler he used to get 95 degree + on a 14600k lol I haven't watched the video yet

[@digitalermitanyo8937]

@@Ryzen-4090-i3n I think It's a noctua low profile cooler?

[@superqaxclub]

@@akshat8586the thing is that is laptop, while here is a desktop

[@BP-Rules]

But the PC is still running Windows, and I, for one, will not install that spyware even if Cray offers me one of their computers for free. And don’t get me wrong: even though I enjoy my M4 Mac Mini and macOS, I still wish Windows would become an OS again (like it was at the time of Windows 7), not because I’ll ever consider going back to PC, but because competition and diversity are good for all personal computer users, Mac and PC alike.

[@jackxiao1054]

It is about gaming culture, not performance.

[@TJ-hs1qm]

I don't like Intel computers because of the noise

[@ZAcharyIndy]

While mac mini seems attractive, are you sure you gonna put it into a heavy duty long workload that could take days? Nope 😂 That's why PC still always be relevant. And that's why Apple made things like Mac Pro.

[@vedabhoomi369]

if it is 7800X3D ...Boom

[@mlgxxx808]

Are Macs weak to hardware ban wave in pc games

[@stephenbradford7936]

1080p??? That’s like 2012 stuff

[@jakeliujakeliu]

Ya it just no comparison with PC for similar price, I’ll choose PC to play game for now. Until it beat PC a lot like base M4 Mac mini, not pro version.

[@nyambe]

I think current software is indeed designed for the cuda, that makes a difference. I think as soon as software is designed to take advantage of MLX or smaller GPUs things will be different. Why? 1) power. 2) AI. I think a lot of traditional roles of the GPU will eventually be done my AI on the Chips. Example that magic Mask of FCP. Think backgrounds, textures created in real time by IA not by crunch GPU power

[@osman84]

256g gaming ?? haha go rtx 4060 a770 16Gb i cant get 256GB anymore haha

[@JohnWilliams-gy5yc]

If only Apple allows external GPU via TB5 in macOS. Nah, they're already happy to sell stupid overprice M4 Ultra.

[@Crustenscharbap]

I think you should have used a better cpu and a less powerful GPU. Also the 4070 can encode AV-1 Video. The Apple M4 can only play AV-1.

[@oMeGa0122]

Dear MW Technology, put charts. You are just showing footages and expect me to try to remember the numbers and make a virtual chart in my mind? Please include charts for all comparisons

[@strylan]

Who wil, buy a mac mini for gaming. Stupid comparision

[@gameonvinay]

@9:26 windows 8 😂

[@lotech]

Adobe crap is so not optimised for ARM and is not a good example of encodes/exports.

[@himynameisryan]

I’m still gonna take the Mac mini Jk desktop Mac’s are stupid except maybe as a tv PC, these chips are best in laptops, I love my MacBook Pro but my desktop is a windows pc

[@iLegionaire3755]

Mac is excellent for laptops, but Mac desktops have zero chance against PC desktops.

[@himynameisryan]

@ in some ways yes in some ways no, it depends wha you need If you need to edit many layers of high res video in a time sensitive manner and therefore want it to be responsive, you’re going to want a Mac with apple silicon, especially if it’s pro res For gaming or 3d VFX work, you need a pc For engineering work you need a pc For emails, web browsing, online banking, daily stuffI prefer using a Mac because of the web browser responsiveness and the ecosystem. I would replace my home MacBook Pro with an iMac but the MacBook Pro has 120hz miniLED display and the iMac does not, there is no way I’m letting a 60hz computer into my house I’m fortunate enough to have both And damn windows cannot handle much pro res My pc has a 4090 and 7900x3d, and 128gb ddr5 ram and can only edit 8 layers of 8k pro res with effects (much sad) My MacBook on battery can handle 12 The Mac Studio from 2 and a half years ago can handle 22 But my MacBook can’t play video games which is why I own the pc I considered switching my tv to the Mac mini like I said but I prefer the Apple TV interface

[@mikeree8543]

apple is kinda waste. They get slower over time, due to lack of upgrade. YOu can't upgrade, or you can't repair easy as custom pc.

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

True, it's not upgradeable, but offer something, what you will only get in 1-2 decades.. 😂 because even the base M4 120MB/s transfer speed is equal with a PCIe 6.0 x16 slot for your GPU (you know, if you plug your GPU into that slot, it's communicate on that, with that port limitations..) and the high end M4 is about on the PCIe 9.0 x16 level.. not to mention not just the GPU and the memory (VRAM on PC) is able to commonucate on that speed, but even the CPU and the memory (DDR5 on PC), and you need a 10-12 channel DDR5 to reach that level.. so tell me when you will get a 10 channel DDR5 laptop with at least PCIe 8.0 x16? Because Apple current chips are on that level.. like the SSD in the HDD world 15 years ago.. and guess what, which one won? The bigger capacity/cheaper HDD or the more expensive/higher transfer speed SSD? Well the transfer speed will beat everything again, just like did it with the HDD-SSD war a decade ago..

[@Warunsampath-wg3kf]

​@@TamasKiss-yk4stbro can please explain me can macmini m4 pro can play high end games like black myth?

[@megaroeny]

I'm tired of how unreliable my PCs have been. Even a really nice Alienware something wrong eventually happens. I never have issues with my Macs for work. One maybe things that really gets me these days.

[@hydzior]

Skill issue

[@borremoonkey]

It's hard to pinpoint on what's the major factors for your specific PC. I would prefer the PC as I can build a beefy workstation for around the price of the m4 pro mac mini base, technically less for me since I would replace a few parts. I'm not going to pretend I can compete with base mac mini on the price to performance as well as size. On the other hand, if I continue with upgrading my current PC, I have to be subjected to using Windows 11 garbage OS. I can tolerate it using Chris Titus debloating scripts but some Windows updates force me to debloat it from time to time. Not sure how Windows Recall will be affecting my machine if it's always running in the background. I'm still on 23H2 version. I hate the pricing of Apple upgrades but I've always had a butter smooth experience using macOS in the past. Only thing is that I doubt base mac mini would be great for 3D work.

[@Tonicshades]

@@hydziorWindows is so bad. A copy of MacOS but unoptimized.

[@kevinkev1530]

👍🏾

[@AlexMkd1984]

m4 garbage even i5 destroy this garbage m4

[@user-ic6xf]

Mac Mini is useless since it sucks with Linux.

[@thisguysgaming7246]

omg 30fps on cyberpunk totally playable dude and totally destroys the pc that gets well over 100fps in 4k like stfu you fanboy

[@superqaxclub]

1. Playable, not great experience. 2. A lot of console games still offer 30FPS option and some still accept them. 3. He did said no iGPU can match the dGPU in gaming

[@bobking7347]

do it again with an Intel 14700k update the bios on the motherboard to the latest version to help fix the microcode issues, use an artic liquid freezer III 360mm aio instead of the tiny noctua, get a 32gb kit of gskill 6000mhz cl28 ddr5 or 6400mhz cl32 gskill s5 ram with xmp enabled in your bios, instead of that crucial memory with looser timings and a 1tb crucial t705 pcie gen 5 2280 nvme ssd, which is much faster than that cheap adata ssd, it would literally do 12 gigabytes per second, with an affordable asrock b760m pg lightning matx motherboard, then do it again, it would destroy everything.

[@inwedavid6919]

Please, don't use intel, AMD is so much better, no PC user really wish to go intel today. It is slow and power hungry while the Ryzen 3D are so much better.

[@AlexMkd1984]

1600$ apple garbage has performance like i3 🤣🤣🤣🤣 overhype garbage

[@PluPerfective]

1300*

[@AlexMkd1984]

My gaming pc easy destroy thia m4 garbage with fake cores

[@AlexMkd1984]

most overpriced garbage m4 crap for poor people who buy same apple garbage